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Crew Dragon spacecraft, and what about our “Eagle”: space competition

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NASA and SpaceX continue to celebrate the docking of Crew Dragon with the ISS. For Russia, the independent flight of Americans to the International Space Station, as well as the launch of the world's first private spacecraft, is an occasion to seriously think about the future of the space industry.


NASA and SpaceX have something to celebrate


Crew Dragon Commander Doug Hurley has already managed to share his impressions of the flight from orbit. From the pages of NASA and SpaceX on Twitter do not go smiling faces of American astronauts. There really is a reason for fun, and it is very large-scale. No wonder NASA Director Jim Brydenstein on his Twitter made a statement not so much even on the topic of space, but political in content:

NASA has the unique ability to bring people together even in times of great difficulty. I hope that historical Bob and Doug’s mission on Saturday reminded us that we can achieve great goals when we come together as a nation.


Astronaut Chris Cassidy, in turn, emphasized the importance of international cooperation in space.

For a long time, many people in the world were convinced: Elon Musk was bluffing, but he was not so simple as they thought of him. The collaboration between SpaceX and NASA began back in 2008, and now, after twelve years, it brought such tangible results.

First and foremost, Americans can now deliver people to the ISS on their own, Russian ships are no longer needed for this. For Russia, this development of events is a potential loss of under $ 100 million from each American “passenger”. Given that usually 5-6 astronauts flied to the ISS, Roscosmos could potentially remain without an income of $ 400-500 million a year.



The second and no less important consequence of the Crew Dragon flight is that a private spaceship set off into space. And for NASA, this turned out to be cheaper than independently dealing with the delivery of astronauts. In the very near future, the Boeing spacecraft, which has long been on the heels of SpaceX, will inevitably fly into space. So far, the brainchild of Mask managed to get around the giant of the American aircraft industry, but who knows how events will develop in the future and who will begin to dominate the competition for space exploration.

Do not forget that the Crew Dragon in the final project is larger and more capacious than the “Unions”: potentially up to seven people. While there are fewer seats.

But since this is a commercial project, it costs nothing to organize constant flights of space tourists, which will be abundant among wealthy people and all kinds of "stars striving for the stars." What can Russia oppose to such a development of events?

Does Russia have a chance not to lose in space?


Soyuz spacecraft with incredible potential and reliability, but they are also becoming obsolete. The main hope remains the ship "Federation", aka "Eagle". In 2013, at the MAKS for the first time they showed the “Federation” model in plastic. Since then, "things are still there." At Roskosmos they promise, promise and promise, but even according to the most optimistic forecasts, the Eagle will fly into space no earlier than 2027. That is, wait seven years. And Crew Dragon is already in space. And Boeing's Starliner is also likely to fly in the foreseeable future. Cosmic competition is only intensifying.



But the main thing is not even the timing of the Eagle flight, by which we are already far behind the Americans, but the lack of a clear space strategy. Alas, the systemic crisis that hit almost all the industries that modern Russia inherited from the Soviet Union did not bypass Roskosmos.

For a while, Russia was still leading due to Soviet developments, but everything comes to an end if we do not develop technologies, do not pay attention to basic scientific research, and allow brain drain to the same American corporations. Already now, according to experts, Russia has no choice but to offer partnership flights. This is when one American astronaut flies on the "Union", and ours - on the Crew Dragon.

One of the serious errors in the space direction is probably the overly militarized understanding of the space industry. The authorities are interested in “military space,” while the United States understands the importance and profitability of civilian space research and projects. The Crew Dragon flight experience is a great chance for Russia to rethink and reformat something, if, of course, it is really necessary.

True, the American “Dragon” has yet to prove its reliability. I flew to the ISS, now we need to return. This is no less difficult task in technical terms.
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  1. Genry
    Genry 2 June 2020 19: 38 New
    -12
    The author did not even show his awareness of the Russian space program.
    The article is about nothing.
    The eagle is too large - no one needs it. 3-4 places - this is the optimal dimension, and not 7 or more.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 2 June 2020 19: 49 New
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      But the main thing is not even the timing of the Eagle flight, by which we are already far behind the Americans, but the lack of a clear space strategy. Alas, the systemic crisis that hit almost all industries left over to modern Russia as a legacy from the Soviet Union, did not pass by and "Roskosmos".

      Complete stupidity .. The USSR inherited the best space industry in the world, with advanced developments. But modern Russia has created a systemic crisis in all areas .. And the managers at the helm should be responsible for this.
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 2 June 2020 21: 44 New
        +3
        The USSR inherited the best space industry in the world, with cutting-edge developments


        Russia got one of the fragments from the world's best space industry. SHARD is not a whole industry. Space in one way or another, all the republics were engaged.
      2. imobile2008
        imobile2008 2 June 2020 22: 24 New
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        Most of the union republics were, the largest - in Ukraine. But that is not the point. Musk built from 0 in 10 years. 30 years have passed since the collapse of the USSR, but under Putin, already 20 years? I can’t even count. Yes, and hurt from the Soviet Union was
        1. oligofren32
          oligofren32 3 June 2020 00: 08 New
          -13
          Only youngsters who have seen enough of different video bloggers, without thinking too much, here and there are talking about "in 20 years, a good guy could build Singapore." Well, there is Google, well, you can see what indicators the country took in 2000 and what Soviet "backlog" "stayed there. There was no question of any space at that time, our station Mir in 2001 was flooded in the Pacific Ocean only due to lack of funding. For the next 10 years, he paid off the debts of the former Soviet republics and solved more pressing problems than your space. The country increased its financial fat and began to develop only in plus or minus 2010 and before that it survived.
          1. vargo
            vargo 3 June 2020 01: 02 New
            -4
            Young people have problems understanding this length of time. A little detail of those times (in their head), plus a passion for simplification. Hence these bare, empty accusations. Yes, and add a couple of years, think for years.
            Musk built from 0 in 10 years.

            This is generally a masterpiece of simplification. If you google it, you can easily see how everything did not begin with "0", and it was not done "in 10 years". But these are nuances, and nuances are not about them)
          2. Roman123567
            Roman123567 3 June 2020 09: 03 New
            +5
            You can also see what indicators the country took in 2000 and what Soviet "backlog" remained there.

            So look ..
            NPPs worked .. there was a nuclear umbrella too .. Yes, and in 2000 the situation was better in the economy than in 92 .. For when everyone just scattered across different countries, it was stupid to wait for positive .. and by the end of 2000, the country was already got used to the market economy ..
            Oil / gas / forest / gold / diamonds - did not disappear anywhere ..
            Take at least the same cosmos .. Only a complete oligophrenic language will turn to say that we did not have a reserve in this industry .. Even more - touched and now still remains !! Despite all these 20 years ..
            1. tagil
              tagil 3 June 2020 18: 20 New
              +2
              NPPs worked .. there was a nuclear umbrella too .. Yes, and in 2000 the situation was better in the economy than in 92 .. For when everyone just scattered across different countries, it was stupid to wait for positive .. and by the end of 2000, the country was already got used to the market economy ..
              Oil / gas / forest / gold / diamonds - did not disappear anywhere ..
              Yeah live and flutter. Only in 2000 did the second Chechen war begin. And the first did not even end. If you think that there was nowhere to put money apart from space, then you are deeply mistaken.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 10: 16 New
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                Quote: Tagil
                money was nowhere to go except space, then you are deeply mistaken.

                Yeah, weapons were bought from Chechen fighters.
                1. tagil
                  tagil 7 June 2020 10: 18 New
                  +1
                  Have you bought a lot?
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 10: 27 New
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                    Quote: Tagil
                    Have you bought a lot?

                    A lot of. They constantly showed on TV how Chechen “civilians” drag and hand over various toys for money, up to mortar shots. And extended the weapons buyback program. As well as amnesty. Just in the first half of the XNUMXs.
                    1. tagil
                      tagil 7 June 2020 10: 29 New
                      0
                      Are these few millions (let it be tens of millions) commensurate with space spending?
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 10: 33 New
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                        Quote: Tagil
                        Are these few millions (let it be tens of millions) commensurate with space spending?

                        Over the whole of Chechnya, they killed more than a dozen million.
                      2. tagil
                        tagil 7 June 2020 10: 37 New
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                        Good. I’ll ask differently. The cost of war for 8 years (I do not consider military operations and the cost of troops after the end of the active phase of the war) is less and more than space costs. And what do you think is most important, space or the cessation of war at that time?
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 11: 13 New
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                        Quote: Tagil
                        And what do you think is most important, space or the cessation of war at that time?

                        The question is incorrect. The reconstruction of Grozny and Chechnya in general took such money that it would be enough to fly to the moon many times. First, Yeltsin blurted out: “Take as much sovereignty as you want,” and then he outplayed it back. Do you know, for example, that the homeowners of the village of Pervomayskoye are grateful to the Titanic Raduev? After all, each homeowner received 50 thousand dollars and a Zhiguli to boot. Read the memoirs of the hero of Russia A. Zaripov. "Pervomaika". At that time, the money was huge, the whole village rebuilt new houses for itself.
                      4. tagil
                        tagil 7 June 2020 11: 19 New
                        +2
                        I was present there in the 1st and 2nd, so what was happening there I know not by hearsay. Only you forgot about Grozny oil. She did not enter the budget of the country, but went to the restoration of the republic. Do not believe everything they say and write. Life is much more complicated.
                      5. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 11: 50 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Tagil
                        Only you forgot about Grozny oil.

                        I have not forgotten anything. I believe that it was because of this pipe that the war began. Our leaders were offended when Dudayev asked for world oil prices for oil transit. During the storming of Grozny, it was forbidden to bomb the Grozny gas plant, as far as I know. Yes, and the palace of Dudaev too. Cryoprotector, deputy Kovalev from his basement offered to surrender to our boys. Yeah, but Grachev blundered about the young men who are dying with a smile for Russia. Good smiles, no words ... So that they both in hell fluttered in the same pan.
                      6. tagil
                        tagil 7 June 2020 11: 59 New
                        +2
                        Because of the couple, the war began, it can be talked for a long time, it would have begun anyway. But they could finish it only when the alcoholic left. Why this descendant of the kulaks was eager for power, I still can not understand. But we are talking about space. Then there was no money for him. And the fact that we are flying into space now, and did not stop flying there even in difficult times, is a huge achievement. And the reproaches and accusations of some of all the grave sins of all who are in power are simply not fair. The main stuffing under the guise of a citizen of Russia and it does not matter on what topic.
                      7. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 12: 18 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Tagil
                        Why this descendant of the kulaks was eager for power, I still can not understand.

                        Why is it incomprehensible then? Why do people want power? That would drive his hands, of course.
                        Quote: Tagil
                        But we are talking about space.

                        About him, darling. wink
                        Quote: Tagil
                        Then there was no money for him.

                        The Japanese asked them to sell a space toilet, the Chinese station Mir, the Americans bought engines, drove tourists ... Where did all the money go? Maybe people like Popovkin pocketed? And then fishing rods were wound to Israel?
                      8. tagil
                        tagil 7 June 2020 12: 24 New
                        0
                        The Japanese asked them to sell a space toilet, the Chinese station Mir, the Americans bought engines, drove tourists ...
                        These are technologies, but was it reasonable to hand them over?
                        Maybe people like Popovkin pocketed? And then fishing rods were wound to Israel?
                        Can. Are all the "nits" now extinct?
                      9. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 12: 33 New
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                        Quote: Tagil
                        These are technologies, but was it reasonable to hand them over?

                        In the end, the Americans then we sold this very advanced push. Surrendered, unreasonable Khazars. request
                        Quote: Tagil
                        Are all the "nits" now extinct?

                        It hurts a lot of them in power, in my opinion.
                      10. tagil
                        tagil 7 June 2020 12: 39 New
                        +2
                        In the end, the Americans then we sold this very advanced push.
                        Honestly, I have not heard about this, since the ISS broke their water-closet in all respects.
                        It hurts a lot of them in power, in my opinion.
                        Less than it was. It does not seem to you that blaming people for no reason is at least not decent. Here on the site there are enough people who throw charges, but apart from empty words, they can not say anything. It's like the British and Americans, we know that Russia is to blame, but we will not show you anything, because it is secret.
                      11. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 13: 05 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Tagil
                        time on the ISS they broke their waterlozet in all respects.

                        So this is ours, which we sold to them for 19 million bucks.
                        Quote: Tagil
                        It does not seem to you that blaming people for no reason is at least not decent.

                        It seems. Only I wonder where the officials come from, the value of their salaries, which they officially have to work for several years.
                      12. tagil
                        tagil 7 June 2020 13: 13 New
                        +1
                        So this is ours, which we sold to them for 19 million bucks.
                        Cheaper we mean.
                        Only I wonder where the officials come from, the value of their salaries, which they officially have to work for several years.
                        Don't you know that officials have been given their places to feed since the time of Ivan Vasilievich (Grozny)? And again, there are enough fabrications from grandmothers who are sitting near the entrance and not the truth. I’m not saying that officials do not steal (and not only officials, but many citizens who see that something is lying are stealing). BUT compared with past lawlessness they are struggling with this, I hope you will not deny it.
                      13. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 13: 41 New
                        0
                        Quote: Tagil
                        Don't you know that officials have been given their places to feed since the time of Ivan Vasilievich (Grozny)?

                        I know. And why are they better than the conditional janitor Vasya Pupkin?
                        Quote: Tagil
                        steal many citizens who see that something is bad

                        And do not lie bad, do not lead the thief into sin! laughing It turns out that the state does not keep the Russian treasury well?
                        Quote: Tagil
                        BUT compared with past lawlessness they are struggling with this, I hope you will not deny it.

                        Who just did not declare war on corruption. Medvedev even personally threatened to lead. laughing
                        Corruption wins in the fight against corruption. Until they begin to put on the wall, nothing will change. And they know how to hide. Quite a cosmic amount.
                        The deputy of A Just Russia, Ilya Ponomarev, accused Zhirinovsky of faking a divorce, who sent a request to the Duma commission on income in order to verify the official. However, he was refused his request.

                        https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/568737/
                      14. tagil
                        tagil 7 June 2020 14: 12 New
                        0
                        Okay, you can talk about it endlessly. And you can also blame corruption if you yourself are not allowed to the trough. But as soon as you yourself begin to steal, you immediately turn from a fighter into an ardent defender of a corrupt official. Corruption is everywhere, in any country, it is only called and hides differently.
                        At the same time, according to the press secretary of Zhirinovsky Yuri Ryzhov, Ponomarev himself has undeclared income. “For God's sake, he has the right. He is completely bogged down in his own scandals involving undeclared funds. The only strange thing is that he went such a difficult path. I would write immediately to the State Department, ”Ryzhov commented on the statement by Ponomarev.
                        Spider fight in the bank.
                      15. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 14: 23 New
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                        Quote: Tagil
                        But as soon as you yourself begin to steal,

                        I was not raised that way. For me, my grandmother is an example, who in the 60s once found a pack of rubles on a bus and asked: "Who lost?" It turned out one woman sowed her entire salary. I call it decency.
                        Quote: Tagil
                        called and hiding in different ways.

                        Yes, no matter how you call it, this is all unearned income.
                        Quote: Tagil
                        Spider fight in the bank.

                        And are they called servants of the people? crying
                      16. tagil
                        tagil 7 June 2020 15: 53 New
                        0
                        Man is weak, there are many temptations, decency is less and less (capitalist society, you can steal, but not at home).
                        Yes, no matter how you call it, this is all unearned income.
                        Americans call it lobbyism and it is legalized.
                        And are they called servants of the people?
                        This is what the Communists called themselves, and the servants of them were not very, or rather, the people were servants to them. Well, are these better or worse? Do you think if others come to replace them, they will be better? I doubt all the servants of the people.
                      17. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 8 June 2020 19: 37 New
                        0
                        hi
                        Quote: Tagil
                        Americans call it lobbyism and it is legalized.

                        cooler! not only legalized, but also heroized! yes
                        If you consider the activities of Citizen Musk, you will quickly see that our "builders" of spaceports and stadiums are small children in comparison with him.
  • Foxmara
    Foxmara 21 June 2020 02: 08 New
    0
    As a person who has seen everything, I’ll tell you. Father then made communication satellites. They have cut half (!) Of workers. These are mostly experienced engineers. Survived by the French and Chinese, Indians. And only from 2010 began to come to life. But there are no engineers anymore, who sells on the market, who does what. Young people come, they need to be taught. How will the Soviet backlog help here, where do you get the shots? Father then turned gray for six months. He was just entrusted with deciding who to fire. So write nonsense here.
  • Foxmara
    Foxmara 21 June 2020 02: 08 New
    0
    As a person who has seen everything, I’ll tell you. Father then made communication satellites. They have cut half (!) Of workers. These are mostly experienced engineers. Survived by the French and Chinese, Indians. And only from 2010 began to come to life. But there are no engineers anymore, who sells on the market, who does what. Young people come, they need to be taught. How will the Soviet backlog help here, where do you get the shots? Father then (in the 90s) turned gray for six months. He was just entrusted with deciding who to fire. So write nonsense here.
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 4 June 2020 00: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: oligofren32
    The country has increased financial fat

    I even know on whose tummies
  • DDT
    DDT 3 June 2020 06: 14 New
    +1
    Completely cutest. Russia, got as much as 80% of the entire industry of the USSR. 13 percent, Ukraine and 7% received ALL other republics combined. There is nothing to be proud of. The plants deliberately collapsed at the neighbors, but did not save at home. As a result, the American private trader sends people into space, and the Russian Federation is not able to complete the cosmodrome.
    1. Quadro
      Quadro 8 June 2020 15: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: DDT
      Completely cutest. Russia, got as much as 80% of the entire industry of the USSR. 13 percent, Ukraine and 7% received ALL other republics combined. There is nothing to be proud of. The plants deliberately collapsed at the neighbors, but did not save at home. As a result, the American private trader sends people into space, and the Russian Federation is not able to complete the cosmodrome.

      Well, yes, of course, another PR-hurdy-gurdy about a "talented private trader" who has grown out of nowhere hundreds of specialists in an extremely narrow field, industrial capacities and subsidies from the state and giant corporations that provided him with technologies. The "greatest" power for 9 years still went out into space, under each iron they now screech about the "breakthrough of all mankind" and as children say "but they have panels of sensory, not like rashka." When the Russian Federation launches, this is all the Soviet backlog, drank again, the technologies are backward. When the United States launches 10 years later, they are great, progressive private traders, trampolines are working. That is, we are actively silent about the backlog of the US itself.
      1. DDT
        DDT 20 June 2020 16: 29 New
        0
        Yes, of course, no one is silent. Just honestly, I wonder
        What was previously only possible for states and federations of states is being implemented by private corporations and holdings ... And by the way, for that matter, Roscosmos is also a corporation, but a state one. What kind of hints, no? Or is it better to sell Roscosmos to Makhmudov or Deripaska? Maybe they can, then what the Russian state does not do? But no, they will cut and sell. Because ... gladiolus. Neither patriotism, nor the ability to do something with the brains, not to sell resources. Or do you disagree on something?
  • AndreyS
    AndreyS 11 June 2020 13: 24 New
    -1
    Quote: imobile2008
    Musk built from 0 in 10 years.

    You are a respected nonsense! From what zero ????????? Before you write at least the topic, study. Your idol Elon Musk is just a manager who privately took advantage of the contract of the state (the richest in the world) and made an outwardly beautiful shell for long-developed mechanisms, suddenly became the discoverer of space ... .. " Jim Brydenstein, director of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration of the United States (NASA), Jim Brydenstein officially asked the head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin to provide additional space for astronauts due to delays in the commissioning of new American ships. Now, according to the interlocutor, " Vedomosti ", negotiations will go not so much about buying seats, how much is it about the possibility for NASA to carry out manned missions using Soyuz-MS ships. Previously, the agency requested seats on the ships departing for the ISS in the fourth quarter of 2020 (Soyuz MS-17) and the second quarter of 2021 (Soyuz MS-18) ... ... about the serious difficulties that accompany the development SpaceX's Dragon-2 (Crew Dragon) manned spacecraft and Boeing's Starliner have been known for several years. Now the situation is stalemate, says the manager of one of the space industry enterprises: both promising ships have been developed since 2014, but CrewDragon tests are accompanied by serious technical difficulties (during the first flight, the temperature inside the ship reached 80 ° C, which led to the melting of the braid of cables), and Starliner still not connected to the test launch program due to the unavailability of a number of systems. NASA decided to turn to Russia for help only when there was a threat of taking the American segment offline.(https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2019/10/31/815241-nasa)
  • Greenwood
    Greenwood 3 June 2020 08: 08 New
    +4
    The author probably meant this. The industry then went to Russia very developed and promising, but chronic underfunding and the breakdown of many production chains in the post-Soviet years just led to a systemic crisis.
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 3 June 2020 08: 55 New
    +1
    So what was the USSR ahead of the USA by the year 90? In the study of outer planets? In the exploration of the moon? In the Martian rovers? In orbiting telescopes? In a detailed space constellation? In what? Only one thing: in the creation of orbital stations. After we gave them our experience, there is nothing more to say. When it started? When the Politburo decided to close the lunar program. There was no MEGA project and we rolled downhill.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 10: 30 New
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      Quote: Jurkovs
      So what was the USSR ahead of the USA by the year 90?

      Buran-Energy, for example.
      1. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs 8 June 2020 08: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Buran-Energy, for example.

        What benefits did the Buran-Energy system bring? Why was she radically better than the shuttle?
        And the main question: why was it needed? Fulfill Brezhnev’s Wishlist?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 8 June 2020 09: 07 New
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          Quote: Jurkovs
          Why was she radically better than the shuttle?

          Automatic landing. The fact that the rocket was a real super-heavy, which today, even at the direction of Putin, cannot be created.
          Quote: Jurkovs
          And the main question: why was it needed?

          Buran was created for military purposes.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 3 June 2020 10: 27 New
    +8
    And they will not answer. They will simply transfer to other posts, and will destroy there. A common example .... The same Serdyukov. He is fully satisfied with the guarantor. Or Mrs. Skvortsova. Or the same Rogozin. A lot of them.
    1. aglet
      aglet 3 June 2020 11: 22 New
      +4
      "A lot of them"
      there are not just a lot of them, they are all there, according to a sense of personal devotion selected
  • kris_67
    kris_67 3 June 2020 17: 43 New
    +5
    "The USSR inherited the best space industry in the world, with advanced developments" - they were advanced in the days of the USSR, now this is no longer relevant. And the competition will be between the United States and China, Russia is no longer in the subject.
  • Grading
    Grading 4 June 2020 05: 17 New
    0
    Meanwhile, Space X

    And the launch of the Starlink-7 mission is already early in the morning in Moscow, June 4 at 4:25 (1:25 UTC / 9:25 pm EDT June 3)
    The next 60 SpaceX satellites are planned to be launched into orbit for the Starlink constellation.
    The Falcon 9 FT will launch from the SLC-40 site of the Air Force base in Florida and launch a payload with a total mass of 290 kg into low Earth orbit (18760 km). After which the satellites use their engines to ascend to a working orbit of 550 km.

  • credo
    credo 2 June 2020 20: 11 New
    -24
    Quote: Genry
    The author did not even show his awareness of the Russian space program.
    The article is about nothing.
    The eagle is too large - no one needs it. 3-4 places - this is the optimal dimension, and not 7 or more.

    Eh, just imagine how good it is when you and your wife and children and friends and their families, together in the evening go after work to the Sheremetyevo cosmodrome and load into the Oryol with all your belongings and supplies, in a comfortable and free environment. Here you will find a swimming pool and a sauna with a Russian bath and a playground for kids and bowling and billiards with a bar and 33 more pleasures. Beauty.
    And after seven hours of flight (or maybe even earlier), you are already walking on the moon and admiring the views of the Earth. It's great, especially when the "Eagle" is ten times larger than what we have on the project. I'm so personally for the big "Eagle" or something like that.
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    2. Snarkxnumx
      Snarkxnumx 2 June 2020 22: 27 New
      +1
      "Eagle" will be ten times larger than what we have on the project. I am so personally for the big "Eagle"
      "Credo" Accidentally not a journalist. Rogozin's pseudonym?
  • mitrich
    mitrich 2 June 2020 21: 13 New
    18
    Will this Eagle at all. The main trampoline plucked him pretty feathers. Will it take off after that.
  • lego2
    lego2 2 June 2020 22: 33 New
    +5
    What is the bazaar about? The first test flight is not over.
    Then there will be an analysis, much will change according to the results of this flight.
    It may well cover the bench. For example, suits do not fit well, boots are of the wrong color, or the engine snorts in the wrong tone, but you never know what. Won Boeing will soon try his own option, but it may turn out to be better, at least at the price it is already more attractive for manufacturers. So stocking up popcorn is a soap for a long time.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 3 June 2020 08: 50 New
      +2
      The Boeing is much more expensive, and he still has to retake an unmanned flight since he failed him.
      1. Pavel57
        Pavel57 3 June 2020 09: 38 New
        0
        And always in the United States cheaper meant better? Moreover, Boeing must be saved.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 3 June 2020 11: 29 New
          +1
          When one snickered a lobbyist and the other a young aggressive firm.
          Starliner worse than Dragon
          1. Quadro
            Quadro 8 June 2020 15: 15 New
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            Quote: BlackMokona
            When one snickered a lobbyist and the other a young aggressive firm.
            Starliner worse than Dragon

            Now what? More than once or twice in the United States they took and "adopted" samples of weapons and equipment that were inferior to competitors, just because they wanted so, and also to support the concern, whose factories are city-forming, and also just standardization, etc.
    2. shahor
      shahor 3 June 2020 17: 46 New
      -1
      Quote: lego2
      Won Boeing will try his option soon, but he may be better

      So great! Boeing, Mask, but there is also BlueOrigin, Virgin ... There is plenty to choose from, both an engine, a rocket, and a ship ... And there is Roskosmos, here you can choose a cardboard layout, an office project, listen to a bedtime story ...
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 3 June 2020 21: 57 New
        +1
        So great! Boeing, Mask, but there is also BlueOrigin, Virgin ... There is plenty to choose from, both an engine, a rocket, and a ship ... And there is Roskosmos, here you can choose a cardboard layout, an office project, listen to a bedtime story ...

        Do not rush to conclusions.

        After docking with the ISS of the American manned spacecraft Dragon-V2, Western space publications are actively discussing the topic of the IDA adapter to which the ship was approaching.
        Officially, the docking unit was manufactured by Boeing, however, it is clearly seen on the NASA photograph that the main unit was manufactured at the RSC Energia Experimental Mechanical Engineering Plant.


        1. shahor
          shahor 3 June 2020 22: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Arzt
          the unit was manufactured at the Experimental Mechanical Engineering Plant of RSC Energia.

          So good again! If it is true. And our plants will not remain without earnings. Not Roskosmos, so Musk will load. Maybe invite him to make Dragons with us while there is no Eagle?
  • oligofren32
    oligofren32 2 June 2020 23: 45 New
    +1
    excess space loaded with payload
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 3 June 2020 04: 59 New
    -2
    Quote: Genry
    The eagle is too large - no one needs it.

    "Eagle" is created with a long-term perspective, the crew can stay in it for up to 30 days, flights to the moon are possible on it, in addition, it is a reusable ship, it can be used up to 10 times, only the engine block changes, in addition, it has a chassis and it has a soft landing. This is a new word in rocket and space technology. And what is "Dragon"? Something like the "Union", which was created 50 years ago.
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 3 June 2020 06: 03 New
      +1
      In the United States, there is already a ship for flying to the Moon, unmanned, technologically complete, it’s also ready for a manned flight, but we only have the name and layout, lagged behind for a long time, if not forever, we are now at the level of India approximately.
      1. tagil
        tagil 3 June 2020 18: 28 New
        +1
        Stop lying.
        The Americans have problems not only with manned missiles, but also with the Space Launch System (SLS) rocket, which NASA is developing independently and expects to use in the Artemis lunar program and in the Gateway space station project. A March report by NASA inspector general Paul Martin said the budget allocated for the development of the rocket exceeded the norm by two billion dollars, and the development lagged behind the schedule by several years.
        If anything else I can give examples. Kassandra in the service of the State Department.
        1. Quadro
          Quadro 8 June 2020 15: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: Tagil
          After docking with the ISS of the American manned spacecraft Dragon-V2, Western space publications are actively discussing the topic of the IDA adapter to which the ship was approaching.
          Officially, the docking unit was manufactured by Boeing, however, it is clearly seen in the NASA photograph that the main unit was made at the RSC Energia Experimental Mechanical Engineering Plant

          But he collected the plus signs. It is customary to talk about "the death of the Russian space industry." And the fact that the US space industry has died for 10 years, we will keep silent. Despite the fact that they did not have any 90s with their underfunding and sawing.
          1. tagil
            tagil 8 June 2020 15: 30 New
            0
            I know. Here he is not alone. There is no way to put everyone to the "wall" for lying.
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 3 June 2020 08: 10 New
      -3
      Quote: bistrov.
      And what is "Dragon"? Something like the "Union", which was created 50 years ago.
      Comparing the Union and the Dragon is the same as comparing the Lada and Tesla. IMHO
    3. Venya Selnikov
      Venya Selnikov 3 June 2020 13: 36 New
      0
      First, do not forget about Orion.
      It is he who is the "state" American ship (and it is necessary to compare the Eagle with it, in the mind), and the Dragon and Starliner are just private owners, taxi drivers. They did it for the requested task, and not "for the future."
      Also, do not underestimate the same Dragon.
      Musk was a cunning poet, and from the very beginning he laid down, he wanted (and demanded from his engineers) a spacecraft that scales very well up, has much more possibilities than for NOU. That is why their shield (PICA-X) was immediately designed with the possibility of returning from the second space. Although what the hell is for NOU? And the way he knows how to finish his files with a file (and not to the detriment of their reliability as a result, we note) is perfectly visible by the example of their main horse - Falcon 9.
      I am sure that if NASA starts Artemis, Musk will definitely participate with the "new" Dragon in the competition to duplicate delivery functions there - with Orion.
      But Starliner - just a simpleton. The Boeing made it through sleeves, despite the fact that they poured much more money. And it scales up almost nothing.
    4. shahor
      shahor 3 June 2020 17: 59 New
      -2
      Quote: bistrov.
      And what is "Dragon"? Something like the "Union", which was created 50 years ago.

      Well, firstly, the comparison is not correct. Soyuz is a ship created according to the ideology of the 60s on the basis of appropriate technologies. How can it be compared with the ultra-modern Dragon? Mask when creating the ship had at its disposal completely different technologies. And-do not forget that Musk did not create the ship as God would put a soul on. He had a specific technical task from NASA. He performed it, as did the Boeing. Therefore, they divided the won competition. And the flight of fantasy Mask will be expressed in the creation of the Martian ship, which he now sculpts.
      1. Quadro
        Quadro 8 June 2020 15: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: shahor
        Quote: bistrov.
        And what is "Dragon"? Something like the "Union", which was created 50 years ago.

        Well, firstly, the comparison is not correct. Soyuz is a ship created according to the ideology of the 60s on the basis of appropriate technologies. How can it be compared with the ultra-modern Dragon? Mask when creating the ship had at its disposal completely different technologies. And-do not forget that Musk did not create the ship as God would put a soul on. He had a specific technical task from NASA. He performed it, as did the Boeing. Therefore, they divided the won competition. And the flight of fantasy Mask will be expressed in the creation of the Martian ship, which he now sculpts.

        What are the relevant technologies? What do you do? Do you even know that the Soviet Union has long been not the same as in the 60s? They are similar only in appearance. Stop talking about the Americans' manual about how "super-modern" they are. It reminds me of the speech of red-haired Doni about "smart missiles".
        1. shahor
          shahor 8 June 2020 15: 23 New
          -1
          Quote: Quadro
          What do you pop?

          I do not discuss with ignorant boors.
          1. Quadro
            Quadro 8 June 2020 15: 26 New
            0
            Quote: shahor
            Quote: Quadro
            What do you pop?

            I do not discuss with ignorant boors.

            Well, yes, you are a lot of impudent misinformation, but as you clearly explained, we turn on the "offended".
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 3 June 2020 08: 58 New
    0
    The eagle is too large - no one needs it.
    So the author says that loafers are sitting in Roscosmos .. trying to build an unnecessary ship for anyone ..
  • Mikhalych
    Mikhalych 4 June 2020 16: 42 New
    +1
    The eagle is too large - no one needs it. 3-4 places - this is the optimal dimension, and not 7 or more.

    Henry, the Union has 3 seats, as you wish. The ship has proven its reliability. There is a constant modernization. All electronics are already digital. The mechanics, where necessary, are also being upgraded. What else does not suit you?
    Who told you that in Orel 7 places. The eagle is large because it will fly out of the geomagnetic field of the earth and it is necessary to put protection so that the astronauts do not glue the fins from radiation in a few days. Including the Eagle will fly to the moon, and the Dragon can only fly to an altitude of 500 km.
    The Apollo did not have radiation protection, but for some reason many blindly believe that the Americans are cool and withstand a dose of deadly radiation. And their lunar spacesuits do not have devices to piss sorry or even do something more substantial. Heroes! 6-8 days without a toilet. Only for this is a purple star on their chest. True, after flying out of the geomagnetic field they would not need to be relieved. Dead people do not go to the toilet. And where are their lunar landing steps. After all, there should be 13 pieces. Where are they?
    Henry don’t have to praise someone else’s and nudge his own. Learn from the Americans.
  • Kars
    Kars 2 June 2020 19: 42 New
    10
    I don’t know, maybe 90 million place in the union was only for Americans? But the cost is still less than what the mask will demand for your taxi?
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 2 June 2020 19: 49 New
      39
      The greedy Rogozin very masked this Mask with his pearls about a trampoline, etc. etc.Mask, in defiance of our genius of conquering intergalactic spaces, replied that the trampoline also works, and the price of a taxi for the trip to the ISS will be much lower .. But as with so many Academicians of Sciences in the country, it was necessary to put such an important post thief journalist, here explain to me, for this is beyond my understanding ...
      1. lelik613
        lelik613 2 June 2020 20: 17 New
        +7
        Mask smart rogue, and Dimon is .... well, you understand.
      2. Klingon
        Klingon 2 June 2020 21: 19 New
        +6
        the question must be posed as follows: WHO put him there? if PU, then Pu is not interested in peaceful space, he needs a space with electromagnetic guns, phasers and disruptors, for I will tell you a secret: Pu decided to create a Klingon empire. and in fact he is not PU, but a disguised Chancellor of Gorkon
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 2 June 2020 21: 33 New
          19
          Quote: Klingon
          the survey should be put as follows: WHO put him there? if PU, then Pu is not interested in peaceful space, he needs a space with electromagnetic guns

          I am very sorry, but he needs nothing but money. hi
      3. imobile2008
        imobile2008 2 June 2020 22: 26 New
        12
        He licked whoever needed, we like to promote such posts. And for criticism, you can find drugs at home and pornography ...
      4. Super
        Super 5 June 2020 14: 42 New
        -2
        The President set it. And Putin, in any case, knows better who to put and who not to.
      5. Quadro
        Quadro 8 June 2020 15: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: Crowe
        The greedy Rogozin very masked this Mask with his pearls about a trampoline, etc. etc.Mask, in defiance of our genius of conquering intergalactic spaces, replied that the trampoline also works, and the price of a taxi for the trip to the ISS will be much lower .. But as with so many Academicians of Sciences in the country, it was necessary to put such an important post thief journalist, here explain to me, for this is beyond my understanding ...

        Another chatter about "trampolines". All as one forget in what context it was said. Moreover, this was not even addressed to Mask, but the whole shop with Mask was very offended and after 6 years they went into space and remembered the "trampolines".
    2. credo
      credo 2 June 2020 19: 59 New
      -4
      Quote: Kars
      I don’t know, maybe 90 million place in the union was only for Americans? But the cost is still less than what the mask will demand for your taxi?

      So that the cost of flying for tourists is acceptable, and the cost of a round-trip flight is not burdensome, any space shuttle must fly into space at intervals like in some busy airport in the world. But for some reason it seems to me that all the space distillations between the leading countries of the world are not conducted for the sake of profit from tourism and tourism is not in the first place here.
      1. unaha
        unaha 2 June 2020 21: 44 New
        +3
        Tourism is a separate category. Several companies are already close to the practical implementation of suborbital flights: Blue Origin, Space Adventures, XCOR Aerospace, Virgin Galactic with an announced cost of $ 250 per seat for all. In this topic, even the domestic private "Kosmokurs" appears and seems to be working on a rocket.
    3. mark1
      mark1 2 June 2020 21: 57 New
      +1
      That's right, 90 million is exclusively for American best friends, and 45 is already making a profit. Before Soyuz, at the cost of launching, Dragon still has to jerk and jerk, whatever its wonderful interiors, spacesuits and snacks at the launch buffet.
  • Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 2 June 2020 19: 44 New
    -6
    I present to your attention the "Plan for the Development of Domestic Cosmonautics until 2030":

    Step 1
    Using the Proton launch vehicle, we launch the Soyuz spacecraft with the crew into orbit of the moon. They were created for this. Therefore, investment should be minimal.

    Thus, we are warming up the interest of Americans in the moon. Accordingly, Musk receives a new contract from NASA and throws all SpaceX resources to the exploration of the moon.

    Step 2
    At a time when all the attention of Americans is riveted to the Moon, RosKosmos is quickly restoring the project of the inter-orbital tugboat Ferry. This is a reusable spacecraft project, but which is based not on the Earth, but on the ISS, is accordingly not subject to constant overloads and can serve for decades.

    By the time the Americans get to the moon, we are bringing a brand new Ferry to the ISS, which is revolutionizing the space transportation market (including flights to the moon). Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy become completely unprofitable. SpaceX stocks crash. Mask has the first heart attack.

    Step 3
    The Americans are beginning to hysterically seek an answer, but the only thing that comes to their mind is to copy the Russian Ferry. It is clear that all this takes time, and at this time, RosKosmos is cutting grandmas. By the time the Americans get a copy of the Ferry, the horse’s move follows ...

    ... the Russians are undocking their ISS segment without which the life support of the American segment is impossible. Accordingly, the American Ferry cannot operate without basing on an orbital station and remains unclaimed. ALL! The dominant position of Russia in space is guaranteed!

    Here is such a multi-path! Contact! bully
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 2 June 2020 19: 59 New
      10
      I told myself: quit writing, but hands themselves ask.
      Oh, my dear mother, my beloved friends,
      I’m lying in the room, squinting, I'm afraid they’ll attack right now,
      After all, near psychos are quiet, incurable.
    2. credo
      credo 2 June 2020 20: 01 New
      +1
      Looks like you just revealed our secret. No pity?
      1. Connor MacLeod
        Connor MacLeod 2 June 2020 20: 06 New
        21
        Well, if so ... winked In reality, we just sit and wait until the Americans launch their own command module and shut us down ... recourse
        1. credo
          credo 2 June 2020 20: 22 New
          -9
          Quote: Connor MacLeod
          Well, if so ... winked In reality, we just sit and wait until the Americans launch their own command module and shut us down ... recourse

          In my not too enlightened opinion in the field of space policy of my native state, the Americans in the "Soyuz" were needed only for earning and no more. In order to once again not figure out who or what made the hole in the ISS case, it seems to me that it will be better when we fly with them at different stations and not together. So it will be calmer and probably more reliable.
          1. Connor MacLeod
            Connor MacLeod 2 June 2020 21: 01 New
            +3
            Quote: credo
            In my not too enlightened opinion in the field of space policy of my native state, the Americans in the "Soyuz" were needed only for earning and no more. In order to once again not figure out who or what made the hole in the ISS case, it seems to me that it will be better when we fly with them at different stations and not together. So it will be calmer and probably more reliable.

            Well, for our long-suffering space industry, the ISS project was indeed a source of financial support. Plus, we have gained additional experience in the technical support of the operation of the orbital station. Thanks to this, Americans and others take off a relatively inexpensive life support system for their scientific research. Otherwise, no one would have taken us into the project, they would have cut us out just like the Chinese. Well, in general, up to a certain point, all this really could be called mutually beneficial cooperation. But then the Americans began to brazenly and consistently nibble at the edges from our cake. At first, freight transportation was squeezed out of us, Progress began to fly less. Now they will take manned flights, there will be no one to fly on the Union except our cosmonauts. A reasonable question arises - why the hell do we need all this? Or what does someone pay us for the work of our command module, on which all the ISS life support is tied? That is, should we ensure the station’s work for our own money, and will the Americans take off the cream? They are not fucking there?
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 2 June 2020 21: 39 New
              +6
              Quote: Connor Macleod
              Plus, we have gained additional experience in the technical support of the operation of the orbital station. Thanks to this, Americans and others take off a relatively inexpensive life support system for their scientific research. Otherwise, no one would have taken us into the project, they would have cut us out just like the Chinese.

              I greatly apologize, but having gained experience, we shared it with the Americans.
              Shl. As for the Chinese, they tearfully asked to sell them "MIR", but ... the president gave the command to drown and ... she drowned.
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            8. NordUral
              NordUral 2 June 2020 21: 57 New
              +6
              Or what does someone pay us for the operation of our command module, on which all the ISS life support is tied?
              Unfortunately, this is not our module. It is made for the Americans and for their money. At least I found such information on the net.
              1. Connor MacLeod
                Connor MacLeod 2 June 2020 22: 06 New
                0
                This cargo module "Zarya" was built with American money, and the "Zvezda" (command module) is completely ours. We'll steal anything "Dawn" too. Better at night when Americans are sleeping. Although it is possible in broad daylight, he hit him on the head with a wrench and that's it ...
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 2 June 2020 22: 23 New
                  +2
                  Thank! At least something ours can be quietly set sail. And then, if it’s still suitable, it will connect the scientific one, having completed it.
                2. shahor
                  shahor 3 June 2020 18: 12 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Connor Macleod
                  Although it is possible in broad daylight, he gave a wrench to the head and that’s all ...

                  And how effective is the swing in zero gravity? And which key number to choose? It is necessary to instruct Roscosmos to conduct an appropriate study in space. To provide for this allocation of budgetary funds in the amount of at least 59 billion rubles. To purchase a key.
            9. UserGun
              UserGun 2 June 2020 22: 29 New
              -4
              Quote: Connor Macleod
              Or what does someone pay us for the work of our command module, on which all the ISS life support is tied? That is, should we ensure the station’s work for our own money, and will the Americans take off the cream? They are not fucking there?


              Well, here you can count and cry))) First, the United States paid 250 million for this module, the Russian Federation $ 150 million (on credit laughing ), secondly, the cost of maintaining the entire ISS per year is $ 6-6.5 billion of which the United States pays half. And now for sweets: "at the Mir station, the Soviet Union spent 4,1 billion $"Can you support the USSR like that ?! tongue
              1. Connor MacLeod
                Connor MacLeod 2 June 2020 23: 21 New
                +1
                Quote: UserGun
                Well, here you can count and shed a tear))) First, the United States paid 250 million for this module, the Russian Federation $ 150 million (on credit),

                What module did the Americans pay for? For the Star? The Americans paid for Zarya if that, and not for the Star. You confuse something in my opinion!

                Quote: UserGun
                secondly, the cost of maintaining the entire ISS per year is $ 6-6.5 billion of which the US pays half. And now for sweets: "The Soviet Union spent $ 4,1 billion on the Mir station" Can you support it like the USSR ?!

                Russia all 90s "Mir" pulled up to the Default, and also added new modules. And the Russian segment of 4 modules will even pull it off. Apart from the fact that you can join forces with China, India, Brazil, South Africa ... Yes, with anyone, just not to see the American greasy faces smug!
                1. UserGun
                  UserGun 3 June 2020 07: 21 New
                  +1
                  Something tells me that from the above list, in the light of recent events, they are unlikely to subscribe. They need the latest technology, not the last century. No, well, some kind of mumba_yumba could very well be ... Only you will pay them yourself! ))) Here we are forever first)))
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      2. NordUral
        NordUral 2 June 2020 21: 58 New
        +2
        I would put a couple of defective valves in the fuel system, Wasilii.
    4. Brancodd
      Brancodd 2 June 2020 21: 00 New
      0
      The plan is interesting. A paradox, but it is not so different from the Federal Space Program.
      1. Connor MacLeod
        Connor MacLeod 2 June 2020 22: 09 New
        +2
        I doubt it. Unfortunately, so far all that I see is endless construction projects ... Cosmodromes, skyscrapers ... In general, they are doing well there ... Development is underway ... Mastering ...
        1. Disant
          Disant 3 June 2020 03: 22 New
          -2
          until all that I see is endless construction projects ... Cosmodromes, skyscrapers

          construction is good.
          The more cosmodromes, the better. There is a militarization of space, satellites will fall like flies. Apparently, it will be necessary to shoot rockets with a high frequency, heavy load, in different orbits.
          .
          about the so-called skyscraper
          “For a real revolution in the field of communications, navigation <...> it is necessary to multiply the capabilities of our satellite constellation. Russia possesses unique technologies for this, but such tasks also require a qualitative renovation of the entire space industry. Among other things, I am instructing Roscosmos, together with the Moscow government, to form the National Space Center, ”President Vladimir Putin said in his message to the Federal Assembly on February 20.

          ...
          Rogozin
          At the same time, the National Space Center itself will be built at the expense of the Moscow government; Roscosmos will not spend anything on it
    5. atalef
      atalef 2 June 2020 22: 10 New
      +5
      Quote: Connor Macleod
      Here is such a multi-path! Contact!

      1. Connor MacLeod
        Connor MacLeod 2 June 2020 22: 35 New
        -1
        Okay, I won’t put a minus, otherwise you have -123 wink
    6. Avior
      Avior 2 June 2020 22: 43 New
      +1
      Using the Proton launch vehicle, we launch the Soyuz spacecraft with the crew into orbit of the moon. They were created for this.

      you then forgot this crew in orbit of the moon.
      So fly, heartfelt smile
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 2 June 2020 19: 46 New
    10
    At Roscosmos promise, promise and promise, but even according to the most optimistic forecasts, the Eagle will fly into space no earlier than 2027. That is, wait seven years
    Promises, meals are constantly and everywhere, but Rogozin does the best for them. When will the ruling elite finally understand that journalism and space are not compatible. Sadly to say, but we were simply thrown out of the cage of space exploration. The geniuses are gone, but the "managers" and bribe-takers who will not allow the development of the space industry have come, and an example of this is "Vostochny".
    1. Brancodd
      Brancodd 2 June 2020 21: 01 New
      -6
      A drone flight is planned for 2024 from Vostochny. In manned mode in 2025
      1. ultra
        ultra 2 June 2020 21: 14 New
        -1
        What are you lucky for?
        1. Brancodd
          Brancodd 2 June 2020 21: 19 New
          -3
          On the Hangar A5M
          1. ultra
            ultra 2 June 2020 21: 34 New
            +2
            and she is available
            ?
            1. Brancodd
              Brancodd 3 June 2020 00: 57 New
              -3
              Startup scheduled for fall
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 3 June 2020 08: 24 New
                +2
                Quote: Brancodd
                Startup scheduled for fall

                Good words "planned", or they promise, but they haven't said how many years. And who said Rogozin again?
          2. Jurkovs
            Jurkovs 3 June 2020 09: 15 New
            0
            On the Hangar A5M

            And here is a complete confusion. The Angara-A5M began to be developed after the Angara-A5 did not complete the flight mission. But apparently the Ministry of Defense did not like the use of even more intense RD-191M engines on it, and they put up with less abandoned weight. At least the Angara-A5 in the amount of 4 pieces was highlighted on the procurement website.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 2 June 2020 22: 00 New
      +5
      When finally the ruling elite will understand that journalism and space are not compatible.

      Vlad! Well, when will the whole people, or at least the majority, understand that we cannot live with this ruling elite?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 2 June 2020 19: 50 New
    -1
    As usual, go about your business and do not care ... although, I really want to believe that this is what ours are doing, but somehow not ..... but "Poplar" we have the most XXL!
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 2 June 2020 19: 53 New
      19
      There is only one hope for them, for "Topol" ... For the rest has been successful in terms of peaceful space exploration. Evil takes, because the first were once ... Sorry, Sergei Pavlovich and Yuri Alekseevich, we all screwed up ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 2 June 2020 20: 00 New
        +7
        Unfortunately, we ourselves gave free rein to those who have no dreams, fly to the Moon, Mars, even to the stars ... their flight program to ... London, Paris, somewhere else, across the oceans and EVERYTHING !!! that's why our rockets do not fly ....
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 2 June 2020 22: 02 New
        +1
        I am plagued by vague doubts that single-headed "poplars" will save us at the "X" hour.
  • credo
    credo 2 June 2020 19: 52 New
    -12
    [/ quote] One of the serious mistakes in the space direction is probably an overly militarized understanding of the space industry. The authorities are interested in “military space,” while the United States understands the importance and profitability of civilian space research and projects. The Crew Dragon flight experience is a great chance for Russia to rethink and reformat something, unless, of course, it is really necessary. [Quote]

    Controversial statement of the author. The power by which the author apparently understands the power of the Russian Federation is simply forced to choose between military and civilian research on a meager budget, giving preference to the former for objective reasons. At the same time, our government does not refuse from civilian projects, although it does so on a residual basis. There are so far no bright personalities in Roscosmos who would set freshness and acceleration of its development, so for now we are satisfied with the bright quotes of D. Rogozin on the Internet and look forward to the arrival of talented and extraordinary people in the Russian space industry.
    1. AUL
      AUL 2 June 2020 21: 01 New
      10
      Quote: credo
      The Russian Federation is simply forced to choose between military and civilian research on a meager budget, giving preference to the former for objective reasons.

      And with this meager budget, it allows you to steal from this budget on such a scale! Paradox, and more!
      1. Venya Selnikov
        Venya Selnikov 3 June 2020 14: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: AUL
        Quote: credo
        The Russian Federation is simply forced to choose between military and civilian research on a meager budget, giving preference to the former for objective reasons.

        And with this meager budget, it allows you to steal from this budget on such a scale! Paradox, and more!
        There is no paradox.
        In fact, the budget of Roskosmos is not so small (since the beginning of the 40s), it has grown by more than 40 times (!), But we are doing much more for this 90-fold increase than we did in the "difficult XNUMXs" ?
        The answer is obvious - no, we don’t.
        In the 90s there were no fewer launches, and we could support the World, and we built the ISS, and we launched the Glonassa, you will not believe it, and we were able to make the RD-180 project, and then sell it to the Americans.
    2. Fmax
      Fmax 2 June 2020 23: 03 New
      0
      I doubt that they have where to come from. The best minds are overbought at the preparation stage.
  • Charik
    Charik 2 June 2020 19: 59 New
    +8
    and what about our "Eagle"? - He flew away (one famous "humorist") - laughing - eat minus
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 2 June 2020 20: 00 New
    13
    Federation + Eagle = Fedor. The mountain gave birth to a mouse.
  • Masha
    Masha 2 June 2020 20: 02 New
    0
    The flag in their hands ... forward and with the song ....
  • Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 2 June 2020 20: 16 New
    16
    Rogozin was a caliph for an hour .. but in fact verbiage, and a thief of budget money.
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 2 June 2020 20: 18 New
    -8
    One of the serious errors in the space direction is probably the overly militarized understanding of the space industry.


    Private companies do a lot better than NASA or Roscosmos. They will not be engaged in the military but rush to explore the moon and Mars. And in this comprehension Mask - a private company went into space.
    1. credo
      credo 2 June 2020 20: 30 New
      -7
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      One of the serious errors in the space direction is probably the overly militarized understanding of the space industry.


      Private companies do a lot better than NASA or Roscosmos. They will not be engaged in the military but rush to explore the moon and Mars. And in this comprehension Mask - a private company went into space.

      I wonder what you mean by the word "master". For more than 50 years the USSR, and now Russia, together with the United States, have been exploring space as an infinite space, and not the Moon with Mars. It can be seen that there is still not enough strength or technologies for the development of planets.
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 2 June 2020 20: 53 New
        +3
        I wonder what you mean by the word "master".


        This is the problem of my Russian language probably .... What I mean, I put as a quote from the author, in my post. I will put it another way - the powers play interstellar wars. And private traders will dig something on the moon, make stations, make a profit and all that while NASA thinks how to push the tank into the rocket and how to end the accounting year ... laughing

        Rogozins they are Rogozins and in NASA.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 2 June 2020 22: 11 New
      -2
      C'mon, NASA has thrown so much groundwork from the Cold War, but the starts. yes stands, yes specialists. Otherwise, hell would that private traders did.
      Yes, and ours seem to have gone this way, here is a sketch of the reusable "Argo":

      The fact that the Russian spacecraft Argo will be able not only to deliver cargoes to the ISS, but also to return not in the form of a falling piece of metal, has already been written by many publications. For the first time, they began talking about the prototype of the private reusable spacecraft Argo in September 2019. On the website of the company "International Transport Space Systems" (MTKS) you can find a few fluent pictures "by hand" and some advertising information. What is known about this reusable truck? Flight tests are scheduled to begin in 2023, and from 2026. It is noted that the ship's hull will be assembled from composite materials, for this it is planned to build an assembly and production complex. As possible sites are considered Kazakhstan, Voronezh and Moscow region. The cost of the ship’s use cycle, including manufacturing, will be about $ 11,5 million. The returned apparatus includes a pressurized cargo compartment and an unpressurized aggregate compartment, which houses a combined propulsion system providing orbital maneuvering of the ship, spatial orientation, gas-dynamic descent control, rocket-dynamic landing apparatus and, if necessary, its withdrawal from the emergency launch vehicle. The integrated control system is responsible for the operation of navigation and orientation tools, propulsion, telemetry systems, communications and power distribution. The top cover protects against aerodynamic and thermal influences during the stages of removal and descent. rtss.space Many emphasize that according to the government procurement website, the manufacture of the Progress MS spacecraft costs $ 29,5 million. At the same time, it is capable of transporting 2,6 tons, but it cannot return cargo. Russia does not have and is not developing other transport cargo ships. A new generation of transport ships has been developed in the world - Dragon from SpaceX, Cygnus from Northrop Grumman, Dream Chaser from Sierra Nevada, Japanese Konotori. It has recently been announced that a contract has been signed for the manufacture of a composite hull for the prototype of the ship; it will be produced in Germany due to a lack of necessary technologies. The designed ship will consist of a disposable propulsion compartment and a reusable return vehicle capable of delivering up to 2 tons of cargo to the ISS and returning up to 1 tons of cargo. Argo will be able to be part of a near-earth station for up to 300 days, in autonomous flight for a month, and its designated resource will be 20 take-off and landing cycles. Planned technical parameters of the ship: Cargo volume - 11 cubic meters. Diameter - 4,1 m. Height - 5,6 m. Gross weight of the ship - 11,5 tons. It is noted that the creation of a transport truck will be undertaken by MTKS, founded by immigrants from S7 Space (a subsidiary of the S7 group), together with enterprises of the state corporations Roscosmos, Rosatom, and Rostec.

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  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 2 June 2020 20: 22 New
    -3
    Despondency is a mortal sin! The heirs of Korolev and Gagarin, above the nose!
  • Shahno
    Shahno 2 June 2020 20: 22 New
    -3
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    One of the serious errors in the space direction is probably the overly militarized understanding of the space industry.


    Private companies do a lot better than NASA or Roscosmos. They will not be engaged in the military but rush to explore the moon and Mars. And in this comprehension Mask - a private company went into space.

    Well, I must say that there were several more private companies in this business wink
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 2 June 2020 21: 00 New
      +3
      Well, I must say that there were several more private companies in this business


      Dame, I know. SpaceX just managed to be the first, let's see what they do. Yes, let them be more and more every day. This is only good for humanity. And then from Gagarin and Armstrong still nothing out of the ordinary did not. Hang out from the Earth to the ISS, like in a bus and a mustache ....
  • Masha
    Masha 2 June 2020 20: 28 New
    +1
    but not “Eagle” .... no not “Eagle” ... wink
  • Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 2 June 2020 20: 28 New
    -7
    I honestly don’t understand why the Americans are happy? Today, in addition to the Russian Federation and the United States, China is also flying into space ... If necessary, the EU can create a manned spacecraft. The trouble for the Americans is that they gave space to private companies, and the private owner must make a profit and be insured against economic crises ... We have not emerged from crises since the 90s, but despite this we have preserved the industry. A private trader can carry tourists into space and can independently, but can he contain the entire orbital and ground structure ??? So far, Max has made a "bicycle" that can only fly with government permission. And, God forbid, it happened to Max, how viable his campaign would be without a Leader? "Chubaisiki" is not only in Russia ....
    1. credo
      credo 2 June 2020 20: 35 New
      -9
      It looks like you are being pecked for having encroached on the holy of holies - Ilona Max.
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 2 June 2020 20: 41 New
        +6
        And I don't care about it !!!! I respect Max for his desire to conquer space, and not for business success or advertising his brainchild. Unfortunately, you will not find such romantics at the head of Roscosmos in the daytime with fire ... there only arrived and "cuts" in their heads.
    2. Courier
      Courier 2 June 2020 20: 52 New
      +1
      In the 90s, the Americans financed Russian space, in zero oil was already at $ 100.
    3. parma
      parma 3 June 2020 09: 49 New
      0
      It can, private companies can contain a huge civilian fleet (both sea and air) along with infrastructure ... the question is rather whether there will be a sufficient market volume in terms of demand, because it was so with the sea that with air transport
      So far (IMHO) there is nothing special to do in space (not so long ago the demand was created mainly by the military), but Musk is trying to create demand himself (making flights more accessible), thus creating competitors
  • Brancodd
    Brancodd 2 June 2020 21: 06 New
    -4
    Well, here are a couple of quotes from the Apostle Church of the Holy Moon-fornication. Word to Rev. Mask:

    “Russia has excellent rocket technology and the best engine available. The reusable version of their new Angara rocket would be excellent. ”
    About SLS - "creating SLS - '100% tragedy' for the industry"
    “Apart from ours, then Zenit is perhaps the next best,” said Musk.
    1. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 3 June 2020 09: 20 New
      +2
      Quote past. This is verbiage mask. The hangar was praised because it is not a competitor to Flacon, but the SLS scolded, because it is just that it is a competitor.
      1. Venya Selnikov
        Venya Selnikov 3 June 2020 16: 06 New
        +1
        SLS at its price is not a competitor to anyone.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 2 June 2020 21: 39 New
    0
    Quote: Malyuta
    Quote: Klingon
    the survey should be put as follows: WHO put him there? if PU, then Pu is not interested in peaceful space, he needs a space with electromagnetic guns

    I am very sorry, but he needs nothing but money. hi

    then he and his entourage - Ferengi wassat
  • Scipio
    Scipio 2 June 2020 21: 41 New
    +1
    Ardent greetings to our optimizers and effective managers from the Mask))))
  • NordUral
    NordUral 2 June 2020 21: 44 New
    +1
    And what was new?
  • basal
    basal 2 June 2020 22: 13 New
    -1
    Americans know how to PR ... Actually, what was the discovery of the Burden Drakosh? Take off, dock? So the Americans seemed to be able to do this from the last century, now they remembered how to do it. Is the flight cost low? Well, if you print the money yourself, then of course. Someone seriously believes that Ogryzok is among the largest corporations due to the AI-I-YI of which backgrounds and pads? Stock bubbles - that’s all of them! Does anyone believe that the cost of Amer shale gas is lower than Canadian natural? So it depends on what dollars to count))). Well, the Mask of luck in skimming, and astronauts - a successful landing, they are heroes without any smirks.
  • Meckajiuhe
    Meckajiuhe 2 June 2020 22: 18 New
    -2
    Lord, how tired of this nonsense about private ships. 3,1 billion are allocated to them in the form of grants. All information is publicly available. Who .. is it private? PR, in this we are really seriously inferior to the Americans ... How can I inflate a piece of shit.
  • lego2
    lego2 2 June 2020 22: 30 New
    +2
    What is the bazaar about? The first test flight is not over.
    Then there will be an analysis, much will change according to the results of this flight.
    It may well cover the bench. For example, suits do not fit well, boots are of the wrong color, or the engine snorts in the wrong tone, but you never know what. Won Boeing will soon try his own option, but it may turn out to be better, at least at the price it is already more attractive for manufacturers. So stocking up popcorn is a soap for a long time.
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  • Patriot228
    Patriot228 2 June 2020 23: 02 New
    -5
    I would defend Rogozin, he does what he can. He has already got the collapsed industry, over the past couple of years, at least they began to put things in order somehow. Do you think Rogozin will be replaced and something will change? With us, the thieves' managers were sitting, they changed some for the other, and the specialists all fled to the edge. An amazing situation has developed that the industry is bled white, even if some are displaced, then there is no one to put, everyone has fled for a long time, and no one has raised their own personnel for many years. A self-respecting specialist under the direction of a "son" will not work and invent something. Well, salaries, of course, cannot make up any competition for commercial organizations, there is no such force that can generally keep an engineer in the industry. For example, they will want to hire strong specialists in radio engineering or engines, but they are no longer there, radio engineers have been retrained as programmers and are working to the west, and engine engineers have also been in commerce for a long time and in a completely different field, and for competition it takes 10 years to study and another 10 years is tightly a topic to do this, and not just to sit out trousers, but to really bite into knowledge, spend the night in the laboratory, search, puzzle. And who will sit on a penny salary for 10 years, and even when support is not visible, but only intrigues and unnecessary reports to anyone in mountains.
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 3 June 2020 09: 47 New
      +2
      I would defend Rogozin, he is doing what he can. He has already gotten into a collapsed industry, over the past couple of years they have at least somehow begun to restore order.

      Having become the head of Roscosmos, Rogozin first ordered the destruction of the Rysachok aircraft and all the equipment for its production, although he was already ready to go into production.
      And now the main building of Roscosmos is an office building on the territory of the former rocket production.
      Judge them according to his deeds, as a tree according to its fruits.
    2. Antokha
      Antokha 3 June 2020 16: 32 New
      0
      Do you think Rogozin will be replaced and something will change? In our country, thieves like executives were sitting and sitting, some were replaced by others, and specialists all fled to the region.

      But nobody wants to understand this! It is more convenient to think that the whole thing is in one person - Rogozin. Otherwise, you’ll have to ask yourself: why am I not developing space, electronics, shipbuilding, machine tool building, automotive industry, engine building, etc. How why ?, I will answer. Because they don’t pay money there, salaries are 5-10 times lower than they should be. 12 thousand in clean production, this is an outdated value, but even then people there should have received over a hundred so that it would not have occurred to them to go somewhere before retirement. None of us will quit work in commerce to take up space, and the young guys know nothing. They want to work, but a year or two, then they will find out how much commerce pays. Patriot228 he described the situation absolutely correctly, and it is not resolved even by close elimination of Rogozin.
      And do not give the example of the USSR! There everyone was told what to do, they sat and did. And they got everything the same. This system is no longer there; it remains with North Korea. We must learn to work in the system that we have. To do this, we will have to think, change, prove and risk money and comfort, and not Rogozin. And who is ready for this? If there are 20 people across the country, this is already a collective. Just not found. And I will not risk it, comfort and good money are more expensive. Here we are.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 03: 16 New
        0
        Quote: Anton
        And they got everything the same.

        Once the boss told me about one turner. Under the deal, he received twice as much as the director of the plant. The director saw, "what the hell?" Yeah, but this turner had his own emulsion, homemade. Director to the technologist: "I'll fire it on fig!" The technologist stole the emulsion, gave it for examination, they could not figure out the composition there. Why am I? Received in different ways. So there is no need to scream about the same salary.
        1. Icelord
          Icelord 7 June 2020 09: 12 New
          0
          No need to invent, but there was a vicious system when a turner, locksmith, baker or janitor could get more engineer, but the director always had a lot of Pts, I have a father to go to competitions, where I honestly had nothing to do, I built a sports complex. And you are a salary
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 09: 59 New
            0
            Quote: Icelord
            the director always had a lot of Pts,

            Our director received 600 rubles, and a locksmith at the same time 250-300. This is in the 80s, if that. What did he have? I’ve traveled all my life on UAZ until my death. But for the workers he did everything. They entered the apartment, where the full repair was done. From wallpaper to tile, from a good gas stove to a great pink bath. Our family on four over 80 squares received an improved layout.
            Dad - there was an ordinary locksmith.
            Quote: Icelord
            And you are a salary

            And you:
            Quote: Icelord
            sports complex

            Everything is clear with your dad. By the way, our engineers received about 400 from. Our director was a true communist and worthy person. He respected his workers. And we respected him. Everyone wanted to work at our factory.
        2. Antokha
          Antokha 7 June 2020 14: 48 New
          0
          Received in different ways. So zvizdet about the same salary is not necessary.

          Comrade, move away from the tree, you don't see the forest. The word "the same" will have to be interpreted. It is not the same up to the ruble, but the same order (order = 10 times). 120, 150, 200 and even 450-600 rubles - this is one order of salaries. On the buses there were always job advertisements, salaries of up to 450 rubles were indicated, I don't know whether they were paid that way or not. Not the point. But now, when I get 25-120 tons. a month, and someone gets 5 million a day, these are completely different things. 100 or 300 even tr. they will never buy me an apartment in the City or nearby skyscrapers, and I will master the car by one and a half or two million. And that dude will buy a 260 sqm penthouse. on the 56th floor, and save up for a Mercedes for his mistress in a week. Why am I - then you could not earn much money, nor could you spend it! There were no big bucks. And there was not much envy, because no one really had anything. Now is not the case. Now there is at least the specter of wealth, everyone strives for it as best they can. And now it is very difficult to make a person voluntarily live in poverty for the sake of an idea. This means that the system must be changed.
          Changing Rogozin can help, because all changes come from above, but not one Rogozin does everything there. There are tens of thousands of people. Rogozin is unlikely to tell them to make bad rockets or not to develop anything. The astronaut cannot be set either. Krikalev wants to cooperate with the Americans, Leonov ... well, a man died. At the head should be a great space engineer + a great manager + a good politician. Do we have many of these?
    3. aiden
      aiden 7 June 2020 02: 41 New
      +1
      In the USSR, Rogozin would have already cut down the forest. Best case scenario.
  • Raven 95
    Raven 95 2 June 2020 23: 27 New
    +4
    The Americans made their ship, now they themselves will fly, here is a surprise then!
    We have unions, we fly to them. Eagle will soon (hopefully) be finished, there will be an addition to the Unions.
    Why sprinkle ashes on your head? While no one is walking on Mars and on the moon, oil does not pump without us.
    Still, the "journalist" should be sent somewhere to increase, and in general this lag in the space race can be eliminated.
    Just in case, we ourselves fly only we, the Chinese, and America.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 3 June 2020 09: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Raven-95
      We have unions, we fly to them.
      They also had Apollo and Shuttles, but they preferred to construct a completely new ship. But when we break away from the Soviet legacy and construct something new, it is unclear.
      Quote: Raven-95
      Eagle will soon (hopefully) finish
      Funny, well. They’ll finish the budget, I have no doubt about it.
  • slipped
    slipped 2 June 2020 23: 51 New
    -4
    I understand - this is an opinion, but why so stupid
    then? laughing

    "Roscosmos could potentially be left without income in the amount of $ 400-500 million per year."

    This income is extrabudgetary. We will launch Arabs and tourists. Two commercial ships, regardless of federal order, are already under construction. It feels like we are somehow forbidding the Americans to build their ships. laughing

    "Do not forget that the Crew Dragon in the final project is larger and more spacious than the Unions: potentially up to seven people. So far, there are fewer seats."

    Well, they will fly like herring in a barrel at 9,3 cubic meters. laughing By the way, "Soyuz MS" is more in terms of pressurized volume - 10,5m3.

    "But since this is a commercial project, it costs nothing to organize regular flights of space tourists, which will be abundant among wealthy people and all kinds of 'stars rushing to the stars.' What can Russia oppose to such a development of events?"

    Above I wrote - two extra-budgetary and commercial ships ALREADY on a slipway. An agreement with the Arabs is being signed.

    "Roscosmos promises, promises and promises, but even according to the most optimistic forecasts, the Eagle will fly into space no earlier than 2027. That is, wait seven years."

    Eagle is a different ship, not for flights to the ISS. He has flights to the ISS only within the framework of flight design tests.

    "But the main thing is not even the timing of the flight of the Eagle, according to which we are already far behind the Americans, but the absence of a clear space strategy."

    The absence of a clear strategy is only in the head of this scribbler. laughing The development program for this decade is ready.

    "Already now, according to experts, Russia has no choice but to offer partner flights. This is when one American astronaut flies on the Soyuz, and ours on the Crew Dragon."

    Shifted from a sick head to a healthy one. lol This is proposed by the Americans, for the rotation of the ISS crews, and not we laughing

    in short, the opinion is really stupid.
    1. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 3 June 2020 09: 25 New
      -1
      Quote: slipped
      By the way, "Soyuz MS" is more in terms of pressurized volume - 10,5m3.

      Together with the orbital compartment, which was created for certain purposes, which are not available now. And in principle, it has not been needed for a long time.
      1. slipped
        slipped 3 June 2020 12: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: Jurkovs
        Together with the orbital compartment, which was created for certain purposes, which are not available now. And in principle, it has not been needed for a long time.


        This compartment is called domestic, not orbital. There is a table, sideboard, sofa wardrobe and toilet. Everything is like people have. laughing It’s not a big diaper to wear like Americans do.

        In autonomous flight there are always one or two astronauts.
        1. Jurkovs
          Jurkovs 4 June 2020 08: 15 New
          -1
          In which autonomous flight? One-turn startup scheme, two hours and you're at the station. So for any excess weight we carry.
          1. slipped
            slipped 4 June 2020 10: 30 New
            -1
            Quote: Jurkovs
            In which autonomous flight? One-turn startup scheme, two hours and you're at the station.


            Flights by the fast scheme to the ISS have appeared recently. Now she is two hours, and six. Delivery is scheduled for four hours. Prior to this, the flight to the station took two days.

            Quote: Jurkovs
            So for any excess weight we carry.


            What is overweight? laughing A ship is one. In addition, there is also the delivery of goods, which are located in the household compartment, too.
  • Dmitry Leontiev
    Dmitry Leontiev 3 June 2020 01: 07 New
    -1
    Something I don’t see here is a particular achievement - they just finally did what has been a routine for Russia for a long time. China, for example, has not only launched a man, but also successfully tested a heavy rocket, and is going to create its own orbital station - and no special pump. So it’s generally strange that the Americans flew in the Russian Unions for so long: the technology of putting people into orbit has long been worked out many times — it’s not about delivering people to the moon. (And this, by the way, is another proof that they never were on the Moon: for those who reached the Moon, it would be ridiculous not to have so much time to simply deliver people to Earth orbit on their own. If they were on the Moon half a century ago - now they would not puzzle how to achieve it in the twenty-first century, without any technology for this - all the lunar technologies would be available to them for a long time, and they would have settled there for a long time and reliably).
  • Revival
    Revival 3 June 2020 02: 12 New
    -2
    I can give an answer to the question of the article, in my personal opinion (have eaten): The Crew Dragon ship is in space, and what about our "Eagle"? ".
    Sitting ass on the ground, expected ....
    1. Disant
      Disant 3 June 2020 04: 02 New
      -1
      Fly on schedule. Why do you need an eagle in orbit now? Credragon went into orbit almost empty, and the next will go almost empty. There is nothing to carry. And nowhere.
      1. Revival
        Revival 3 June 2020 10: 20 New
        -2
        Yes there would be a schedule, it would be good!
        We have a schedule, unfortunately, in 2015.. 2018 ... 2025 ... 203 ... and so on. (figuratively).
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 3 June 2020 04: 49 New
    +1
    What actually happened? There is no breakthrough. Well, they created something similar to the Soyuz spacecraft, which has been used for many years, so what?
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 3 June 2020 09: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: bistrov.
      What actually happened? There is no breakthrough. Well, they created something similar to the Soyuz spacecraft, which has been used for many years, so what?

      It’s just that they themselves will receive money, that's all. And our space program will lose half a billion ye
  • sagitch
    sagitch 3 June 2020 05: 43 New
    0
    Or maybe one of the Russian businessmen will swing into space?
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 3 June 2020 09: 51 New
      0
      Quote: sagitch
      Or maybe one of the Russian businessmen will swing into space?

      They couldn’t make an e-mobile, but you are about space. But now it’s a very expensive sphere, the competition for launches is high
  • Ilya_Nsk
    Ilya_Nsk 3 June 2020 06: 14 New
    +1
    Systemic crisis - say? Yeah, a systematic cut of funds is the motto of the Russian space industry .. On the hangar, frigates, cosmodromes they stole so much money that in a normal country they probably would have had enough to build an elevator to the moon. But for ours, the main thing is that Rolls would stand in the garage of the palace, and a yacht at the berth in Monaco, what greatness of the Power is there? His shirt is closer to the body .. am
  • Alex66
    Alex66 3 June 2020 06: 30 New
    0
    Cadres are decided by everyone who was at the head of the space industry - Korolev, and Russia - Rogozin, so what are you waiting for, since the cake starts to swing boots? Musk is still a techie. Putin’s personnel policy is a common misfortune for all sectors of Russia, competent managers of a knowledgeable unit. But relatives and friends rampart.
  • military pensioner
    military pensioner 3 June 2020 08: 07 New
    0
    On the other hand, the fashionable manners of the Roskosmos, led by their bout journalist, are already developing in Chamber No. 6 a space trampoline that has no analogues in the world and has a nuclear-powered space tug for flying to Alpha Centauri ... fellow tongue . Until the parasites and grabbers-projectors from Roscosmos are dispersed and highly professional specialists are returned from abroad, Russia will continue to roll back further into space exploration.
    1. Disant
      Disant 3 June 2020 12: 29 New
      0
      but the tug and
      highly qualified specialists from abroad
      - things are incompatible.
      Tug - this is the future of manned space
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 3 June 2020 08: 49 New
    +2
    Our astronautics is sitting an eagle and is wagging. Those who are supposed to promote it are engaged in undercover games. After all, the Federation did not just change its name to Orel. Together with this, the Terms of Reference was changed. Now it exists in only one version: lunar. We will fly to the Moon or not, no one knows, but because of this, it is already overtaxed and Soyuz-5 will not be able to lift it into orbit. And the launches were transferred to the Angara-A5. And now, not only has Soyuz-5 been deprived of its natural burden, but just yesterday it was replaced by the Chief Designer. So Soyuz-5 may not exist. And the Angara-A5, too, will not be able to reanimate, so we will remain at the trough. By the way, the autumn launch of the Angara was already moved to the spring and they are going to start up with the mainframe (overall weight model). That's it.
    1. Disant
      Disant 3 June 2020 14: 03 New
      0
      let going with gvm

      so a rocket costs a hundred rubles, and a satellite - a couple of thousand. First you need to test the orbits ordered by the military.
      Fly to the moon or not fly
      - we need it, for such a lot of money? Oryol-Federation- Krudregon - is the profusion of funds. Just the Americans in near-Earth orbit to the point of need in their own way. If the Americans have gathered even further - in the format of walking the moon with their feet - I only welcome.
  • tarackanovaleksei
    tarackanovaleksei 3 June 2020 09: 10 New
    -2
    The author! What are you up to? The rocket, will rub, into reliable operation, only after 25-30 launches. Only then can we talk about the reliability and quality of the spacecraft. As you know, the Americans, about the reliability of their shuttles, also blew the whole world. Everyone knows about the number of accidents and the number of victims of these accidents. In addition, another question is the price of production of the American rocket, as well as the launch price.
  • Engineer
    Engineer 3 June 2020 09: 20 New
    0
    Even the title itself raises the question of the author's awareness of this issue. And if it is not, then why write an article on this topic? I will explain. Eagle, Federation, whatever you call it - ship for the moon program. It is not intended for flight to the ISS, because the replacement of the Union is not considered. There is simply no real replacement for the Union in our work. Therefore, comparing the Eagle is logical with the same type of Orion, in fact, with whom he was distorted to the extent of technological capabilities. From this it follows that Crew Dragon (or rather Dragon 2), and the upcoming CST-100 Boeing, Rogozin and Co. simply have nothing to answer. And if there is any damage to the missiles, there are already ready engines, but no ship.
    1. Brancodd
      Brancodd 3 June 2020 11: 32 New
      0
      I agree, the Eagle is not a replacement for the Union.
  • Snusmumrik
    Snusmumrik 3 June 2020 09: 32 New
    -1
    Most important, when correcting errors in the space program, remember that each error has a name, surname and position.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 3 June 2020 09: 44 New
    0
    Quote: Genry
    The author did not even show his awareness of the Russian space program.
    The article is about nothing.
    The eagle is too large - no one needs it. 3-4 places - this is the optimal dimension, and not 7 or more.

    Instead of a man, you can carry a load
  • Bagatur
    Bagatur 3 June 2020 09: 46 New
    +1
    Korolev and Glushko rolled over into their graves. This clown Rogozin is watching from heaven and what is doing ...
  • Boris63
    Boris63 3 June 2020 11: 29 New
    -1
    Also, by the way, it would be worth mentioning that the Mask ship was created to deliver astronauts to the ISS ... And the Federation-Orel is mainly for flying to the Moon, and to the ISS as a test-test, i.e. different tasks for these ships
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 3 June 2020 12: 44 New
      -1
      Union for the Moon, and the Dragon, too, to the Moon can. So it goes
  • well
    well 3 June 2020 12: 32 New
    +1
    The program for the development of the "Eagle" spacecraft lags far behind, because they have not even drawn cartoons yet.
  • Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp 3 June 2020 12: 48 New
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    Quote: bistrov.
    What actually happened? There is no breakthrough. Well, they created something similar to the Soyuz spacecraft, which has been used for many years, so what?

    In space, no one is developing in great leaps.
    So this company goes sequentially:
    first a medium-sized cargo rocket, then a heavy cargo rocket, then a cargo ship, then a passenger one. With this development, the next one should be a lunar ship.
    Those. this is the second call.
    And in our last 9 years nothing new has degenerated, although it has been touched. Here are the screams.
  • ont65
    ont65 3 June 2020 14: 17 New
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    Our media do not give a clear picture of the development of space programs, partly also because Roscosmos is not able to give guarantees for financing all its programs in sufficient amounts for the future. The residual principle also works in this important area. And what? Is the situation with aircraft with shipbuilding different? Today, the plans for the Union with its lunar version, and the Federation (Eagle), as an analogue of the Mask project sea launch S7. It seems to be a completely safe picture, but its plot is in a fog, as well as scientific projects for which money is practically not released. Probably not before.
  • Romanenko
    Romanenko 3 June 2020 16: 03 New
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    Article counting on self-abasement, in vain. Yes, the Americans launched their own suffering ship, it seems that no one bothered us either, except for the effective management policy, which was aimed precisely at undermining this kind of activity.
    Well, someday, someday, anyway, they will sum up the results and calculate the damage to the economy and prestige of the country from this policy.
    Well, the fact that the emphasis is placed on the fact that the ship is private, so it is no more private than our Union, it’s just a game of redistributing profits and taxes under the roof of a private company, Mask in the end is just a mask, and those who cut their hair and in the shade.
    There is no victory for private business here, it’s rather a temptation for us and others to sodomize and drop our space industry below the baseboard.
    Imagine what Chubais would do by heading a private missile office?
    Although, of course, the event is very significant, we are in the position of a catching side, and now we need to decide for how long?
    I think not for long.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 3 June 2020 19: 47 New
    +1
    I never thought that the USSR was also to blame for the incompetence of modern Russian space)
    What got the traditionally militaristic perception of cosmos. activity is yes. For the rest, they only sawed, stole and projected, bringing the industry and specialists to the pen.
    Someone would probably be happy to deploy a private approach "like Mask's" to space, but we have the Best-The-Best-No-Analogs in the World - where to give such a shrine to dirty bourgeois paws .. it's better to rot quietly under the web. That is secret, this is secret, here this detail is made by a secret paramilitary factory, which tomorrow will be instructed to do something else - and it will stupidly pump up the entire schedule and private obligations - that's all, on this our "private space" turns belly up and is taken away without special pathos.
  • zwlad
    zwlad 3 June 2020 22: 11 New
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    "Already now, according to experts, Russia has no other choice but to offer partner flights. This is when one American astronaut flies on the Soyuz, and ours on the Crew Dragon."
    Why is this still?
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 3 June 2020 23: 42 New
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    "Oration" or "Federel"
  • APASUS
    APASUS 4 June 2020 16: 52 New
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    Alas, the systemic crisis that hit almost all the industries that modern Russia inherited from the Soviet Union did not bypass Roskosmos.

    The systemic crisis did not hit space or other industries, the systemic crisis is primarily in the minds of our officials
  • Alex
    Alex 4 June 2020 20: 50 New
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    For some reason, no one pays attention to such a nuance as refueling the ship itself and rockets 35 minutes before the start, when the crew is already in the ship. NASA was against it, but in 2018 agreed, since refueling a rocket with supercooled fuel just before launch allows you to refuel a rocket with a large amount of fuel, which is necessary for landing the first stage. And this is despite the fact that in 2016, the Falcon-9 exploded with the AMOS-6 satellite during refueling.
    And Crew Dragon engines, by the way, run on the self-igniting components of monomethylhydrazine + nitrogen tetraxide. Monomethylhydrazine - the poison is slightly weaker than asymmetric dimethylhydrazine (heptyl).
    By the way, due to the explosion of the propulsion system in April 2019, which destroyed the ship, which was supposed to make the first manned flight in the summer, the launch was postponed to the spring of 2020. In April of the same 2019, tests of the parachute system failed. As modestly stated in Space X, three out of four parachutes worked abnormally.
    The first manned launch was planned for 2017.
    Do not consider it gloating. Just how difficult it is, and so does Mask.
  • ser56
    ser56 4 June 2020 21: 54 New
    +1
    the author - what is the reason for the alliance for flights to the ISS? bully