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Rogozin: Soon, the modernization of the “Gagarin launch” can begin

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The management of the state-owned corporation Roscosmos hopes for a speedy and successful completion of negotiations on modernization of the Gagarinsky Start launch pad at the Baikonur cosmodrome. This will allow Russia to continue the manned comic program.


Such a statement was made by the head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin in his video message. It was dedicated to the 65th anniversary of the Baikonur Cosmodrome.

He hoped that very soon an agreement would be signed:

Negotiations are going on right now, and we hope that they will be completed soon, and we will begin real, already physical, work on this first legendary launch pad.

Dmitry Rogozin believes that the Baikonur Cosmodrome not only plays a key role for space exploration, but also contributes to the development of the city of the same name.

Prospects for the development of the city and the cosmodrome will be given not only by the reconstruction of the Gagarin launch, but also by the Baiterek project, which also bears the unofficial name of the Nazarbayev launch. From this site plan to launch Soyuz-5 rockets.

At the moment, the conclusion of an agreement on the modernization of the Gagarinsky Launch between the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan and the UAE is at the stage of domestic approval.

"Gagarin launch" is the launch pad of the Baikonur cosmodrome, with which a person for the first time in stories flew into space.
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  1. vadimtt
    vadimtt 2 June 2020 09: 28 New
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    Again "soon" and "maybe"? laughing
    But it is impossible somehow like this: "the modernization has begun and will soon be completed, ahead of schedule!" wassat
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 2 June 2020 09: 33 New
      12
      Yeah, very soon, right now not today or tomorrow.
      1. marchcat
        marchcat 2 June 2020 09: 39 New
        0
        Modernization of the Gagarinsky Launch launch pad is marking time. When will Comrade Rogozin take up "UM", where are the innovations ???
        1. mark1
          mark1 2 June 2020 09: 52 New
          0
          Quote: marchcat
          where is the innovation ???

          Electromagnetic catapult? 0 transition?
        2. Thrall
          Thrall 2 June 2020 09: 59 New
          +4
          Quote: marchcat
          "Gagarin launch"

          Now this is "Gagarinsky start"
        3. Victorio
          Victorio 2 June 2020 10: 16 New
          0
          Quote: marchcat
          Modernization of the Gagarinsky Launch launch pad is marking time. When will Comrade Rogozin take up "UM", where are the innovations ???

          ===
          "innovations" Rogozin should issue
          1. Civil
            Civil 2 June 2020 10: 30 New
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            Then to transfer everything to the Kazakhs? And why did they build the East?
            1. kjhg
              kjhg 2 June 2020 11: 35 New
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              Quote: Civil
              Then to transfer everything to the Kazakhs?

              In no case! Northern Kazakhstan should go to Russia, as well as Schemly, east of the Dnieper and Belarus.
              1. 9PA
                9PA 2 June 2020 11: 58 New
                0
                Who decided that?))
              2. bobba94
                bobba94 2 June 2020 16: 17 New
                +1
                Eastern built for posterity. Already at the beginning of construction in 2012, it was clear that they were building for posterity. Rogozin recently said that the first launches will begin this year, but something has not grown together and information has appeared that there will be no launches this year, and three airports will be built right on Vostochny.
                1. slipped
                  slipped 2 June 2020 22: 04 New
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                  Quote: bobba94
                  that the first launches will begin this year,


                  the first launch was in 2016

                  Quote: bobba94
                  but something did not grow together and information appeared that there would be no launches this year, and three airports would be built right on Vostochny.


                  The British have suspended launches of their satellites, four of which were planned for this year from Vostochny. And our satellites for launches from Vostochny are being assembled for launches next year.
              3. Sklendarka
                Sklendarka 2 June 2020 22: 08 New
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                Quote: kjhg
                Quote: Civil
                Then to transfer everything to the Kazakhs?

                In no case! Northern Kazakhstan should go to Russia, as well as Schemly, east of the Dnieper and Belarus.

                Monsieur, however, they forgot about Alaska ... so the flag is three-colored in your hands and go ...
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 2 June 2020 12: 04 New
              13
              Quote: Civil
              And why did they build the East?

              Under the cut.
          2. Victorio
            Victorio 2 June 2020 11: 56 New
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            [/ quote] "innovations" Rogozin should issue [/ quote]
            ===
            "innovations" Rogozin should issue? probably scientists, designers, and engineers too.
          3. Trotil42
            Trotil42 2 June 2020 14: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: marchcat
            Modernization of the Gagarinsky Launch launch pad is marking time. When will Comrade Rogozin take up "UM", where are the innovations ???

            He gave them out .. the start will soon be transformed into a giant trampoline ... and then we’ll definitely take off
          4. Catholic
            Catholic 2 June 2020 14: 56 New
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            Quote: Victorio
            "innovations" Rogozin should issue

            Strong statement. I just see how Rogozin gives out regular "innovations" bully
        4. Mikhail m
          Mikhail m 2 June 2020 10: 47 New
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          Dmitry Rogozin believes that the Baikonur Cosmodrome not only plays a key role for space exploration, but also contributes to the development of the city of the same name.
          We watched with a friend the place of former service in images from space. So much collapsed that just the hair stand on end. The city of Leninsk lived not only a couple of Union and Proton launch. Enough for their service and the village. So about the development of the ruins of what happened, Rogozin let him fill in the thought. Along with the brilliant prospects of the Russian cosmonautics, which are about to begin soon in the coming years.
        5. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 2 June 2020 10: 47 New
          +4
          Quote: marchcat

          The modernization of the Gagarinsky Launch launch pad is marking time. When will Comrade Rogozin take up "UM", where are the innovations ??

          65 years old and nothing new.
        6. RUSS
          RUSS 2 June 2020 10: 50 New
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          Quote: marchcat
          Modernization of the Gagarinsky Launch launch pad is marking time. When will Comrade Rogozin take up "UM", where are the innovations ???

          But what about the Vostochny cosmodrome monument to corruption?
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 2 June 2020 13: 43 New
            +5
            Quote: RUSS
            But what about the Vostochny cosmodrome monument to corruption?

            This is a monument to Putinism.
        7. imobile2008
          imobile2008 2 June 2020 22: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: marchcat
          When will Comrade Rogozin take up "UM", where are the innovations ???
          He doesn’t have it. The one who installed it is not doubly!
        8. halpat
          halpat 4 June 2020 05: 45 New
          0
          Quote: marchcat
          Modernization of the Gagarinsky Launch launch pad is marking time. When will Comrade Rogozin take up "UM", where are the innovations ???

          Well, he says so:
          And we cut the tonsils ... through the anus ... with autogenous ... (c)
          there is such an old-old joke.
      2. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 2 June 2020 10: 47 New
        +2
        What plant tables will do?
      3. Catholic
        Catholic 2 June 2020 14: 55 New
        11
        A little patience and that's all ... wink
    2. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 2 June 2020 09: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: vadimtt
      Again "soon" and "maybe"?
      But it is impossible somehow like this: "the modernization has begun and will soon be completed, ahead of schedule!"

      Space rush does not forgive!
      1. vadimtt
        vadimtt 2 June 2020 09: 59 New
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        But it is not necessary to rush in order to be in time or to do faster than the deadlines, you just need to be able to work. Grandfathers somehow managed and did for centuries. But yes, they lived in the USSR, this explains almost everything.
        1. 9PA
          9PA 2 June 2020 11: 59 New
          -5
          Snow Kolyma is not good
        2. Catholic
          Catholic 2 June 2020 15: 00 New
          +7
          Quote: vadimtt
          you need to be able to work.

          good
          But it seems that our development of the space program is specially hindered
      2. 210ox
        210ox 2 June 2020 11: 16 New
        +6
        As for the haste ... How long did Soviet people go into space after a terrible and destructive war? And now, if we relate the "terrible war" to the 90s?
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 2 June 2020 12: 03 New
          +1
          As for the haste ... How long did the Soviet people go into space after the terrible and destructive war?

          Going out into space is a side conversion production. laughing
          As they themselves then joked: "Yangel works for defense, Korolev works for TASS, and Chelomey goes to the toilet."
    3. knn54
      knn54 2 June 2020 09: 42 New
      +8
      Until the "fried" Musk pecked ...
      1. 210ox
        210ox 2 June 2020 11: 40 New
        +8
        Well, "pecked". What's next? Do you think this will improve the situation at Roscosmos, or speed up any work with us.
      2. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 2 June 2020 12: 09 New
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        Quote: knn54
        Until the "fried" Musk pecked ...

        Achievements Mask is a merit of Dmitry Olegovich wassat
        "The head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin explained his proposal in 2014 to launch American astronauts into space using a trampoline.

        “I warned them that way.” It worked."
        good
        I don’t even know what can be said here ... belay
        1. Catholic
          Catholic 2 June 2020 15: 03 New
          +9
          Quote: Beringovsky
          I don’t even know what can be said here ...

          Just that Musk should now thank Rogozin for help wassat
      3. Catholic
        Catholic 2 June 2020 15: 02 New
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        And what's the point of Musk pecking? Nothing. Everything will remain as it is. And Rogozin will also head Roscosmos
    4. sav
      sav 2 June 2020 09: 46 New
      +5
      Indeed, Rogozin now needs to be more careful in his expressions.
      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 2 June 2020 11: 29 New
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        Quote: sav
        Indeed, Rogozin now needs to be more careful in his expressions.

        What for? Putin appreciates such as Rogozin, he himself is the same wit and can push something like that about the Pechenegs.
        Two of a Kind.
        Pysy. Only a brilliant manager could put a journalist into space.
      2. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 2 June 2020 14: 58 New
        -1
        Late. Already. Trampoline works. Now we can expect cosmos.
        1. Venya Selnikov
          Venya Selnikov 2 June 2020 19: 00 New
          +1
          Now you can expect space
          Yes, no special new sanctions are needed.
          The United States can simply continue to implement its space plans that have been planned for a long time - this will already be worse for Russia in the field of space than any sanctions.
          The launch of the Starliner, and the receipt of internal competition for the United States, reliability and duplication of risks in terms of manned space exploration, the continued Mask to capture the market for commercial launches, deployment of Starlink, and the use of this network both for peaceful purposes and for the Pentagon (will not interfere with one another ), the closure of the ISS project, and the construction of the United States with the allies of the lunar getaway (without us, and don’t think that they can’t cope, and there’s nothing we can especially offer them), the further continuation of bright scientific missions, new LVs and their new engines, from light to super heavy (SLS, New Glenn), etc., etc.
          All this is planned for the next 10 years.
          And, I think, the probability of implementing all this is very high.
          And what will Russia answer in space? Turn a blind eye to the obvious, be proud of the victories of the grandfathers, and assure that nothing will come of them (and when it comes out, habitually scolding the leadership, and the difficult legacy of the 90s)? ..
          1. slipped
            slipped 2 June 2020 22: 51 New
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            Quote: Venya Selnikov
            [And what will Russia answer in space? Turn a blind eye to the obvious, be proud of the victories of the grandfathers, and assure that nothing will come of them (and when it comes out, habitually scolding the leadership, and the difficult legacy of the 90s)? ..


            No.

            This year and further we will continue to launch Soyuz MS and Progress MS, both with cosmonauts and astronauts to the ISS, and commercial ships with tourists.



            This year, flight design tests of the new A5 heavy rocket will continue, and next year the light A1.2 will join it.



            Next year, the launch of a new module for the ISS - MLM-U "Nauka", it is now in a thermal pressure chamber and is preparing to be sent to the cosmodrome, then the launch of the ready-made module "Prichal" will continue, followed by the NEM in a year.

            The modernization of the GLONASS navigation constellation with new K-series spacecraft will continue (it will fly in July), and by the end of the year the creation of a new satellite constellation - ARCTIC will begin. Other spacecraft will appear in other existing groups - ELECTRO-L and GONETS.



            Starting next year, the Russian Lunar Program will begin with the launch of the AMS Luna-25, and in 2022, a launch across Mars with the landing of our Kazachok station. In 2023, the first launch of a new spacecraft from the Vostochny cosmodrome.



            By 2023, it is planned to create a new carrier "Soyuz-5", the elements of which are now being tested at the RCC "Progress", for commercial launches of spacecraft.



            The launches of large astrophysical observatories of the SPEKTR series will be continued - with the launch of the world observatory Spektr-UF.

            etc. etc. there will be much more. laughing
            1. Venya Selnikov
              Venya Selnikov 2 June 2020 23: 44 New
              +2
              And you don’t even notice that all this (even if implemented) will be just a further fall in the industry? After all, the level, place in relation to others - it is not absolute, but relative.
              You understand what first place in space we can talk about when we have long been not like the USA, we have lagged behind China in the field of satellites in space for a long time.

              And in outer space, we generally roll a ball. I hope that even the Martian mission with the EC will not break.
              The launch of Science (if it is to suffer the long-suffering, will nevertheless be launched), like Pierce, and the NEM to the ISS, it makes no sense at all to discuss it, IMHO. Because, if you do not remember, the ISS officially lives up to 24 years, and then it still hangs in the air. And it will fundamentally depend on the position of the United States. They have long completed the formation of their ISS segment, and if they decide to go further to the Moon, the ISS will become for them - just a dead weight. Outdated morally and technically. The money that goes to her will be redirected to the getaway.
              And then what will our "freshly removed" modules to the ISS become? .. Their own station? If you think that it is so simple and easy to form a new station out of our pieces of the ISS (and for ourselves!), Then no need to be naive. It will be extremely difficult and expensive. By the way, the Zarya module will have to be solved again with the Americans, don't forget. I'm not sure they will be so generous that they will give it to us. We fought well with them for delivery to the ISS, more and more every year, and they remember that. If relations continue to deteriorate, and their politicians say - there will be no gifts for the Russians - they will have to say goodbye to Zarya.
              And at the ISS, they will at best try to push private owners. Although I do not believe it. This ISS is too bulky a chest, and private traders will not pull it.
              1. slipped
                slipped 3 June 2020 00: 05 New
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                Quote: Venya Selnikov
                You understand what first place in space we can talk about when we have long been not like the USA, we have lagged behind China in the field of satellites in space for a long time.


                We have 169 spacecraft in orbits, and these are mainly medium and large spacecraft. This year a series of small spacecraft of domestic production flies.

                Quote: Venya Selnikov
                And in outer space, we generally roll a ball. I hope that even the Martian mission with the EC will not break.


                Spektr-RG has been operating in deep space for almost a year. And a lot of domestic devices on foreign or joint spacecraft from which we receive and process data.

                Quote: Venya Selnikov
                The launch of Science (if it is to suffer the long-suffering, will nevertheless be launched), like Pierce, and the NEM to the ISS, it makes no sense at all to discuss, IMHO.


                You can leave your IMHO with you. laughing The Science module will fly to the ISS regardless of your opinion. Like the rest of the modules.

                Quote: Venya Selnikov
                Because, if you do not remember, the ISS officially lives up to 24 years, and then it still hangs in the air. And it will fundamentally depend on the position of the United States.


                Until the year 2028. Yes, it doesn’t matter. The modules are made in such a way that they can be assembled into a Russian orbital station.

                Quote: Venya Selnikov
                They have long completed the formation of their ISS segment, and if they decide to go further to the Moon, the ISS will become for them - just a dead weight.


                Then flood their segment. For a long time or something. As previously planned.

                Quote: Venya Selnikov
                Outdated morally and technically. The money that goes to her will be redirected to the getaway.


                Flag in hand, as they say .... lol

                Quote: Venya Selnikov
                And then what will our "freshly removed" modules to the ISS become? .. Their own station?


                Of course, here is her project:



                Quote: Venya Selnikov
                If you think that it is so simple and easy to form a new station from your ISS pieces (and to ourselves!), Then there is no need for naivety.


                And where are the "pieces of the ISS"? There are only new modules. laughing MLM-U "Science", UM "Prichal" and NEM. There is also our new docking and storage module, which we planned to put on the "Gateway" and transformable with a centrifuge based on TGK SG.

                Quote: Venya Selnikov
                It will be extremely difficult and expensive. By the way, modulo "Dawn" will have to be decided again with the Americans, do not forget. I’m not sure that they will be so generous that they will give it to us. We fought well for delivery to the ISS, every year more and more, and they remember this. If relations continue to deteriorate, and their politicians say - there will be no gifts for the Russians - they will have to say goodbye to Zarya.


                Smiled. Be sure to drown this old and old module. laughing Together with the American segment.

                Quote: Venya Selnikov
                And at the ISS, they will at best try to push private owners. Although I do not believe it. This ISS is too bulky a chest, and private traders will not pull it.


                Have to drown. laughing You do not want this community to fall on New York? lol
                1. Venya Selnikov
                  Venya Selnikov 3 June 2020 12: 35 New
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                  Quote: slipped
                  Until the year 2028.
                  No, no fantasies are needed without proofs. Until the 24th decision on the ISS (agreed upon by all parties on the ISS), and there is a budget. Further - not yet.
                  We declare that we are at least 30, only on the way, but whether the United States will agree to this if they soon have to redirect money to Artemis - the question, I repeat, is very shaky. Nothing has been decided yet. The United States has long completed the formation of its segment "from the state", and now it is displaying new modules only for training its private traders, have you noticed?
                  Financially, the United States will not pull Artemis together with the ISS.

                  You see, I would also like to be optimistic, but what you write about the ISS and the planned new Russian station does not look very reasonable. Although Rogozin knows better, of course. By position. Because miracles do not happen, Khruniks can declare as much as they want to extend the resource to 28 onwards, but there is nothing eternal. MLM Science is aging on Earth a little slower, but also steadily. The world was raining, and the ISS is already beginning to rash, this can be seen by the number of incidents.
                  To get a "new" station from de facto old modules, created for another project, on the border of their resource, so that later, as in the World at its end, not to engage in science, but to work there as repairmen, basically, to heroically overcome difficulties that are themselves their decision and created - well, this ...
                  I love optimism, but when you say so easily that you can simply disconnect our segment from the rest of the ISS - it just looks like a misunderstanding of the complexity of the problem. These are not lego blocks. The undocking work is supposed to be very significant, and the original project of the ISS it was not provided. There is no project for this (just a project, and not free statements by some leaders, we will not poke a finger). The project should certainly be coordinated with all other participants, because now all the modules on the ISS are very closely integrated and coordinated (in energy, communications, control systems), which allows duplicating their functions and performing cross-management of both MCCs. And the work itself in space has never been simple.
                  I believe that the new should be exactly new. And the design of the station should be new, as well as the modules for it. Yes, it will require money. Not as much as the United States for their getaway, but still. Is Russia rich enough to make exactly the new? Enough, I assure you. We have money - a shaft. They would have gone where necessary, and reached. but not stolen.
                  1. slipped
                    slipped 3 June 2020 21: 02 New
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                    Quote: Venya Selnikov
                    Quote: slipped
                    Until the year 2028.
                    No, no fantasies are needed without proofs. Until the 24th decision on the ISS (agreed upon by all parties on the ISS), and there is a budget. Further - not yet.


                    Are you the head of the ISS commission? laughing But Rogozin consists. He said so.

                    Quote: Venya Selnikov
                    We declare that we are at least 30, only on the road, but whether the United States agrees to this if they soon have to redirect money to Artemis - the question, I repeat, is very shaky.


                    I said - the flag in the hands of the moon laughing stick a second time.

                    Quote: Venya Selnikov
                    Nothing has been decided yet. The United States has long completed the formation of its segment "from the state", and now it is displaying new modules only for training its private traders, have you noticed?


                    Yes, Biglow received his module on the ISS as a warehouse. And where is Biglow now? laughing

                    Quote: Venya Selnikov
                    Financially, the United States will not pull Artemis together with the ISS.


                    Ie it will not be? laughing

                    Quote: Venya Selnikov
                    You see, I would also like to be optimistic, but what you write about the ISS and the planned new Russian station does not look very reasonable.


                    Um. No.

                    Quote: Venya Selnikov
                    Although Rogozin knows better, of course. By position.


                    Ага. winked

                    Quote: Venya Selnikov
                    Khruniks can declare any extension of the resource to 28 onwards, but there is nothing eternal. MLM Science is aging on Earth a little slower, but also steadily.


                    After its withdrawal, the module will have a seven-year warranty period in orbit. His fellow FGB has been there for 20 years.

                    Quote: Venya Selnikov
                    The world was raining, and the ISS is already beginning to rash, this can be seen by the number of incidents.


                    Triggering US segment sensors for isopropyl alcohol in the atmosphere? Failure of American batteries?

                    Quote: Venya Selnikov
                    To get a "new" station from de facto old modules, created for another project, on the border of their resource, so that later, as in the World at its end, not to engage in science, but to work there as repairmen, basically, to heroically overcome difficulties that are themselves their decision and created - well, this ...


                    Are you screwing your eyes? what are the old modules? No.

                    MLM-U will be launched in 2021, it will have only two orbital years in the same year 2024, UM and NEM - in general, new modules of a completely new project, and from another manufacturer, and they will be removed in 22nd and 23rd years.

                    Quote: Venya Selnikov
                    I love optimism, but when you say so easily that you can simply disconnect our segment from the rest of the ISS ...


                    Not "our segment", but new modules of our segment. It is clearly drawn in the picture above. MLM-U is an autonomous spacecraft, with its own propulsion system, UM is launched by Progress, and NEM is also a ship and also has its own engines. Unlike the modules of the American segment, which are just barrels.

                    Quote: Venya Selnikov
                    The project should certainly be coordinated with all other participants, because now all the modules on the ISS are very closely integrated and coordinated (in energy, communications, control systems), which allows duplicating their functions and performing cross-management of both MCCs.


                    All these modules will be drowned, what is not clear to you? After the new modules of the Russian segment dock and transfer from the station to another orbit, the specialized TGK Progress, docked on the axial docking station of the Zvezda module, will slow down the rest and they will begin to fall.

                    Quote: Venya Selnikov
                    I believe that the new should be exactly new. And the design of the station should be new, as well as the modules for it.


                    especially for you I repeat - these are new modules. laughing

      3. Catholic
        Catholic 2 June 2020 15: 04 New
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        Quote: sav
        Rogozin now needs to be careful

        Rogozin belongs to the category of "effective managers", so he has nothing to fear yes
    5. Svarog
      Svarog 2 June 2020 09: 49 New
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      Quote: vadimtt
      Again "soon" and "maybe"?

      Soon, the whisker will be ... tolerate the citizens .. but that's not for sure ..
      And what is not suitable for the East?
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 2 June 2020 10: 01 New
        +4
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: vadimtt
        Again "soon" and "maybe"?

        Soon, the whisker will be ... tolerate the citizens .. but that's not for sure ..
        And what is not suitable for the East?

        I agree! Tired - it's from empty to empty!
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 June 2020 10: 48 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        And what is not suitable for the East?

        It seems that they just forgot about him.
        1. 9PA
          9PA 2 June 2020 12: 00 New
          -2
          Moor has done his job
      3. polar fox
        polar fox 2 June 2020 11: 01 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        And what is not suitable for the East?

        judging by the amount of .tom stolen and they were not going to build a spaceport ... it happened by chance.
      4. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 2 June 2020 22: 11 New
        -1
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: vadimtt
        Again "soon" and "maybe"?

        Soon, the whisker will be ... tolerate the citizens .. but that's not for sure ..
        And what is not suitable for the East?

        So he’s a monument ....
    6. svp67
      svp67 2 June 2020 10: 03 New
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      Quote: vadimtt
      But it is impossible somehow like this: "the modernization has begun and will soon be completed, ahead of schedule!"

      Wait, earlier he spoke just as confidently about the transfer of our manned launches to the Vostochny ... that "I didn’t go for it"? As already his "shuffling" has already GOT ... !!! Money there, money here ... and he is "all in white", the rest only in ...
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 June 2020 10: 49 New
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        Quote: svp67
        Money there, money here ... and he is "all in white", the rest are only in ..

        In this field of activity Rogozin succeeded.
        1. Catholic
          Catholic 2 June 2020 15: 06 New
          10
          This is probably the only thing he succeeded in. yes
    7. BecmepH
      BecmepH 2 June 2020 10: 33 New
      +9
      Quote: vadimtt
      Again "soon" and "maybe"?

      For a long time I drew attention to the favorite words of top officials: "It is necessary, necessary, necessary ..." But these are only words ... unfortunately ...
      1. Catholic
        Catholic 2 June 2020 15: 07 New
        +9
        Quote: BecmepH
        I have long paid attention to the favorite words of the first persons

        Maybe just none of them knows other words ... wink
    8. astepanov
      astepanov 2 June 2020 11: 53 New
      +4
      As an option, it will be like this: negotiations will be completed successfully, modernization will begin - and flights will stop for years until they cut the loot. By the end of the work, the domestic manned space program will finally die due to obsolescence and the final loss of competitiveness.
    9. senima56
      senima56 2 June 2020 12: 28 New
      0
      You can not do it this way! Otherwise, it will not be D.O. Rogozin! negative
    10. Catholic
      Catholic 2 June 2020 14: 54 New
      +8
      Quote: vadimtt
      But you can’t do something like this

      Ek what did you want from Rogozin. wassat
      It’s easier for him to promise than to make bully
    11. aglet
      aglet 2 June 2020 18: 03 New
      0
      "But it is impossible somehow like this:" the modernization has begun and will soon be completed, earlier than planned! ""
      no, it’s impossible, because you won’t get so much money so quickly, you need to carefully approach it in order to steal money and not put anyone in, and then prepare excuses for the president. Yes, and the mask should be called something like that, it's all complicated, but Rogozin will cope - the specialist, the best in Russia in space
    12. Bar1
      Bar1 2 June 2020 21: 20 New
      -1
      maybe a starter, or maybe not a starter.
      no money, but you hold on.
    13. slipped
      slipped 2 June 2020 21: 48 New
      0
      Quote: vadimtt
      Again "soon" and "maybe"? laughing
      But it is impossible somehow like this: "the modernization has begun and will soon be completed, ahead of schedule!" wassat


      Where are you in a hurry? laughing The second site closed only last year, after the launch of the last Soyuz-FG
    14. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 2 June 2020 23: 54 New
      0
      ... modernization has begun .......
      Well, yes, in our country, we’ve already built everything, now there’s nowhere to put profit, we decided to renew the Kazakh spaceport.
  2. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 2 June 2020 09: 30 New
    18
    This will allow Russia to continue the manned comic program.

    Do not understand. That is, if anything, then the Kazakhs will be to blame, that the Russian manned program will be closed?
    1. Angelo Provolone
      Angelo Provolone 2 June 2020 09: 33 New
      +1
      And what are you surprised at? 7 Pilot-cosmonautics is a heavy burden. Well, watch carefully Rogozin’s interview.
      Kazakhs are not to blame. they will have to be thanked
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 2 June 2020 10: 05 New
        11
        Quote: Angelo Provolone
        And what are you surprised at? Pilot astronautics is a heavy burden.

        I am surprised that manned astronautics is now associated not with the word "pilot", but with the word "saw." It's annoying and insulting.
  3. Angelo Provolone
    Angelo Provolone 2 June 2020 09: 31 New
    +1
    , already physical, work on this first legendary launch pad.

    "Already physical" work does not bring an annual income of 30 cartoons. Negotiations are more important.
    1. Catholic
      Catholic 2 June 2020 15: 09 New
      +8
      Quote: Angelo Provolone
      Negotiations are more important.

      I noticed for a long time that we have the main negotiations, and everything else is secondary.
  4. Terenin
    Terenin 2 June 2020 09: 35 New
    +5
    It is desirable that not only
    Baikonur Cosmodrome plays a key role for space exploration,
    but the same role played
    Management of the state corporation "Roskosmos"
    1. cniza
      cniza 2 June 2020 13: 29 New
      +1
      Oh, how many wishes we all have, but no one even reads them, but they could extract a lot of useful things ... hi
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 2 June 2020 17: 35 New
        0
        Quote: cniza
        Oh, how many wishes we all have, but no one even reads them, but they could extract a lot of useful things ... hi

        My question is, why are we comparing the private company Mask and Roscosmos? In this case, the Deripaska, Khloponins, Potanins, Abramovichs, Usmanovs should make claims ... ish, you have grabbed the national industries and only sponsor foreign football teams ...
        hiwhat do you think Victor
        1. cniza
          cniza 2 June 2020 17: 55 New
          +2
          And what is there to think, the Mask company is private, and the support from the state is greater than our state. structures, because it works for its state. And it’s better not to start about the above-mentioned persons because there aren’t enough words - here the fault of the two sides and the state didn’t finalize and the private owners had a bunch of passports, and accordingly the money was stolen, it’s complicated, everything is very ambiguous and complicated ...
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 2 June 2020 18: 02 New
            +2
            Quote: cniza
            better not to start because words aren’t enough

            Well, we will be step by step in the topics ... yes
            1. cniza
              cniza 2 June 2020 18: 13 New
              +4
              And on the topic, see how many private companies we have associated with space:


              - “SCANEX” is a company engaged in the reception and processing of images from Earth remote sensing satellites.
              - S7 Space is a company specializing in launches of medium-class launch vehicles.
              “CosmoCurs” is an enterprise developing a suborbital rocket and capsule for tourist space flights.
              - Dauria Aerospace is a company specializing mainly in the construction of microsatellites for remote sensing of the Earth.
              - “SPUTNIKS” - a company specializing in the creation of cubsats, their layouts for educational purposes.
              - “NSTR” is a company engaged in the production of a network of automated telescopes and the creation of an ultra-lightweight carrier rocket.
              - “Lin Industrial” is a company working on the development of several ultra-light and light-class launch vehicles for launching payloads weighing from 10 to 1000 kg.
              - Azmerit is a company specializing in the production of miniature stellar sensors for microsatellites.
              “AeroState” is a company that monitors air pollution from satellite imagery.
              “3D Bioprinting Solutions” deals with 3D bioprinting technologies.
              - “Yaliny Ltd” - a startup created in 2013, which worked on a very ambitious idea to create a low-orbit network of 144 satellites with an optical communication system.
              - “ImageAiry” is a subsidiary of the American company “Astro Digital”, which processes satellite images from several satellites at once and provides the received data to various consumers: priority areas are agriculture, environmental monitoring, urban planning and business analytics.
              - “Galaxy” is a group of companies that today includes five companies with a very wide range of tasks: from creating composite materials and 3D printing in space to creating their own launch vehicles.
              1. Terenin
                Terenin 2 June 2020 19: 42 New
                +1
                Quote: cniza
                And on the topic, see how many private companies we have associated with space:

                belay well, hold on to space. We will defeat everyone crying
                1. cniza
                  cniza 2 June 2020 20: 14 New
                  +2
                  I was taken aback when I found out how many of them, so we'll see what comes of them ...
                  1. Dingo
                    Dingo 3 June 2020 22: 09 New
                    0
                    One with a bipod - seven with a spoon ... (popular saying).
                2. Sklendarka
                  Sklendarka 2 June 2020 22: 14 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Terenin
                  Quote: cniza
                  And on the topic, see how many private companies we have associated with space:

                  belay well, hold on to space. We will defeat everyone crying

                  The prosecutors call it ... ... entered into a criminal conspiracy ... ''
                  1. Terenin
                    Terenin 3 June 2020 11: 05 New
                    0
                    Quote: Skalendarka
                    Quote: Terenin
                    Quote: cniza
                    And on the topic, see how many private companies we have associated with space:

                    belay well, hold on to space. We will defeat everyone crying

                    The prosecutors call it ... ... entered into a criminal conspiracy ... ''

                    And then, with your comment, we already have an organized group with the prosecutors ... winked
              2. Venya Selnikov
                Venya Selnikov 2 June 2020 20: 48 New
                0
                All this is cute, and it sounds very cool, but how much do they really launch, get as a result?
                You can not answer, the question is rhetorical, all these companies receive practically nothing on the international market.
                Crumbs. Moreover, many have long ceased to exist (seriously, what is the point of mentioning one-day companies that have died without having time to leave anything else but a name about themselves ?!).
                The space services market is only growing every year.
                Now it is about $ 300 billion - annually! And this is only the civilian segment, the state space budget and the military goes with separate money. Nice pie, right? And the same United States, spending a lot on it, and bite off of it (income) almost half. Those. their space is not a waste for them, but, in the industry as a whole, is making money.
                And the share of Russia in the division of this pie only decreases from year to year.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 2 June 2020 20: 57 New
                  +1
                  These are all operating enterprises, and these are leaders in their industry, and there are many more, and the service market has long stepped over 400 yards. I can’t say anything about the share of Russia, everyone thinks differently ...
                  1. Venya Selnikov
                    Venya Selnikov 2 June 2020 22: 51 New
                    +1
                    C'mon, all acting! Also industry leaders, wow!
                    Are you subtly joking like that, I hope?
                    Yaliny Ltd - long rested in the air.
                    https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/06/02/2017/58988df09a794778795e44ea
                    Dauria Aerospace - after taking the risk of contacting Roscosmos - "hit the grandmother", are in a state of lawsuit with him, and have not launched anything for a long time
                    https://www.gazeta.ru/science/2018/12/28_a_12112435.shtml?fbclid=IwAR2guPaxmCIJkDTAui7vJfnxqStZpD_NNjRw8jQ0GohzaZ6nhz118Mm6Lyc
                    Lin Industrial - barely recovered financially after an incident causing harm to one person (!) And is still testing engines for a dozen or two kilogram-force, well now they have at least enclosed test sections with building blocks. Good luck to them (no kidding).
                    S7 Space in general, after they began to tear more for renting their Sea Launch in our ports than in the United States, and with Soyuz-5 everything also hangs in the air - it cooled sharply towards space, they began to complain. Yes, and not to him now.
                    All the rest ... these are small startups with Napoleonic plans, but their turnover and income are not a lot.
                    They did not launch (none of them!) On their launch vehicles a single kilogram of payload into orbit. And they are very far from even such a modest milestone.

                    And why did you include the same Image Airy here at all? This is an American office (also very small, by the way), registered in Boston. And yes, now she is part of another American office. What does Russia have to do with it? Money from them (they don’t have much money) does not go to the budget of Russia.
                    Or because among their founders are immigrants from Russia? Well, then consider Google a Russian, such a simple thing, who is Bryn by birth here?

                    The share of Russia in the total revenue from space services is approximately 1%. Possibly less. Most of this "rich" interest belongs to Roscosmos. Which, of course, does not make him a profitable enterprise at all. Private traders have a penny. If you want dynamics, then over the past ten years our share has "grown" - at the beginning of this decade it was about 2%.
                    Although we have long been promised growth and goals "at least" up to 3-4%. But alas.
                    And then there will be no more - nothing. The more money in the market, the less chance we have for them.
  5. Doctor
    Doctor 2 June 2020 09: 36 New
    +9
    But what about the East? All?
    1. AUL
      AUL 2 June 2020 09: 58 New
      11
      Well, there they have already welded up in full, there is nothing more to steal. It's time to cover up the project.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 June 2020 10: 52 New
        +2
        Quote: AUL
        It's time to cover up the project.

        And open a new one. Now the main "loot" is to get it.
    2. Catholic
      Catholic 2 June 2020 15: 10 New
      +8
      Probably all. Money from him no longer receive.
  6. Pereira
    Pereira 2 June 2020 09: 37 New
    15
    Something I don’t really understand, why did they build a new spaceport then?
    It is time to ask a few questions to the leadership of Roskosmos and Rogozin personally.
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      2. astepanov
        astepanov 2 June 2020 11: 59 New
        +5
        Quote: Nasr
        well, she’s not attracted by the media, only by a yellow newspaper, of a regional outfit ...

        It would be interesting to hear from you what achievements the national cosmonautics has made since the early nineties, and comparisons with the achievements of the previous period. And about "throwing" on the fan: in order to throw a known substance, it must be available. Roskosmos management supplies it in abundance, so is it worth blaming the mirror?
        1. DVR
          DVR 2 June 2020 13: 30 New
          -2
          It would be interesting to hear from you what achievements have been noted by Russian cosmonautics since the beginning of the nineties, and comparisons with the achievements of the previous period.


          What are you talking about, dear? Since the beginning of the nineties? In one of my previous comments, I already wrote that it was under such howls in the 90s that we lost the USSR and got criminal capitalism in the worst case scenario. Countries after this do not live. Fortunately, you do not need to go far for examples. What space, from an oak tree collapsed? The fate of peripheral criminal capitalism is not only the absence of outer space, but the absence of science and production as such, decay and degradation in all respects.
          In the cycle of "fans on the trampoline", published here in recent days, there are comments, where the achievements of Russia in the field of space technologies are well described. The network is also full of information, do not be lazy, read. I say again that the achievements that exist are in spite of what happened in the early 90s. The necessary tasks are solved in spite of corruption, nepotism, degradation of science, etc., which unfortunately exist (they could not but exist in the built system). They decide, because, thank God, there are still people who still do something, and do not whine on websites, like some who themselves are not capable of anything.
    2. ultra
      ultra 2 June 2020 11: 25 New
      +5
      It is time to ask these questions to the one who appointed Ragozin to this post.
      Quote: Pereira
      It is time to ask a few questions to the leadership of Roskosmos and Rogozin personally.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 2 June 2020 13: 13 New
        +3
        Many who can ask a lot of things. And it seems like time is drawing near.
  7. alekc75
    alekc75 2 June 2020 09: 39 New
    -3
    But does Russia need it ???
    1. Catholic
      Catholic 2 June 2020 15: 13 New
      +7
      Cosmonautics of Russia is needed. But the leadership of Roscosmos cosmonautics seems not needed
  8. Hagen
    Hagen 2 June 2020 09: 39 New
    +9
    In the context of the prevailing public opinion about the Russian space program, it would be appropriate to supplement each new plan with a report on the implementation of the previous plan, on the work actually done and the successes achieved.
    1. unaha
      unaha 2 June 2020 09: 51 New
      +6
      It would be if public opinion had any significant significance in the country ...
      In reality, the attitude is something like this: "This law has already been adopted, amendments have been adopted, this process itself is legitimate," Pamfilova stressed. "And only one can treat with great respect that the president did not stop there, and his political will and a desire to hear in this case the opinion of the people not provided for by the current Constitution. "
      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 2 June 2020 11: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: unaha

        to hear in this case the opinion of the people not provided for by the current Constitution ".

        Opinion of the people not provided for by the current Constitution - perhaps this is all that is needed to understand the whole essence of the Putin vertical.
        We do not hear you, people. Sorry, not provided.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 2 June 2020 20: 25 New
          0
          Quote: Beringovsky
          The opinion of the people not stipulated by the current Constitution is perhaps all that is needed to understand the whole essence of the Putin vertical.

          As in the saying - if it is read, it is not understood, if it is understood, then it is not so. The meaning of what Pamfilova said was that Putin could make amendments simply through the Duma by constitutional law, but nevertheless decided to ask the opinion of the population. The amendment procedure is stipulated by the condition of approval by half of the voters.
          Quote: Beringovsky
          We do not hear you, people. Sorry, not provided.

          1. This formula of constitutional amendments (except for 1,2,9 chapters) was established back in 1993;
          2. You are not familiar with the text you are discussing.
      2. Hagen
        Hagen 2 June 2020 20: 27 New
        0
        Quote: unaha
        In reality, the ratio is approximately the following:

        This is the attitude of people who have heard something about the amendments from a neighbor, but who were not able to read the source. Http://www.kremlin.ru/acts/news/62988 come in, read, become a practical expert laughing this is the next stage after the couch.
    2. Thrall
      Thrall 2 June 2020 10: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: Hagen
      It would be appropriate to supplement each new plan with a report on the implementation of the previous plan, on the work actually done and the successes achieved

      As well as the punishment of the innocent and rewarding those who did not participate))
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 2 June 2020 10: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: Thrall
        As well as the punishment of the innocent and rewarding those who did not participate))

        Will follow without fail!
        1. Catholic
          Catholic 2 June 2020 15: 17 New
          +9
          Quote: Thrall
          As well as the punishment of the innocent and rewarding those who did not participate))

          Quote: Vasyan1971
          Will follow without fail!

          laughing Colleagues, now some deputy will read your messages and "at the request of the people" ... wassat
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 2 June 2020 15: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: Catholic
            now some deputy will read your messages and "at the request of the people" ...

            Why should he read it, if similar and so is a constant practice in his environment?
  9. 1536
    1536 2 June 2020 09: 47 New
    -1
    And what does the "Gagarin Start" and the Russian manned space flight program have to do with it? It seems that this is already the "finish". It remains only to recall the old Soviet song: "The ribbon is my finish, everything will pass and you will accept me.", And transfer everything to the Kazakhs free of charge.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 2 June 2020 10: 48 New
      +6
      Quote: 1536
      transfer everything to the Kazakhs

      Kazakhstan and the UAE
      And THESE, also a space power?
      1. aglet
        aglet 2 June 2020 18: 13 New
        +2
        "And THESE, also a space power?"
        yes, they consider themselves a space power. and the income from space they have is large enough-rents and a dribbling metal for Baikonur, a rather profitable occupation
  10. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 2 June 2020 09: 54 New
    +4
    Rogozin ... only PR ... well, what else can you expect from a doctor of philosophical sciences, whose dissertation was dedicated to the Russian communities, and he headed the eponymous party ... where is it now? ... sheer fake / deception ... he also destroyed the Homeland faction in the State Duma ... what other merits did he have for Russia? ...
  11. Old partisan
    Old partisan 2 June 2020 09: 58 New
    +4
    I do not understand.
    Two questions
    First: they upgrade the Gagarin launch to the state of the monument?
    A way to cut the budget ???
    In many cases, repair, modernization is much more expensive than building a new one. Taki this monument 60 in practice.
    And the second question
    And where does the UAE ???
    Maybe Rogozin followed in the footsteps of Gref and decided to put Baikonur at an IPO?
    1. slipped
      slipped 2 June 2020 23: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Old Partisan
      I do not understand.
      Two questions
      First: they upgrade the Gagarin launch to the state of the monument?


      No, for commercial launches of the Soyuz-2M spacecraft. Until last year, it launched Soyuz-FG with an analog control system. Now they are switching to digital systems.

      Quote: Old Partisan
      In many cases, repair, modernization is much more expensive than building a new one. Taki this monument 60 in practice.


      Previously, such a successful modernization of the 38th site was carried out.



      And several sites in Plesetsk.

      Quote: Old Partisan
      And the second question
      And where does the UAE ???


      Continuation of international cooperation. Earlier, we launched their commercial cosmonaut Hazzaa al-Mansuri into space in Soyuz MS-15 and are going to continue launches of their space agency's cosmonauts. So are their spacecraft.

  12. jovanni
    jovanni 2 June 2020 09: 59 New
    +2
    In general, the statements of this guy are sometimes shocking ... But what about the Vostochny Cosmodrome, which is just super-superfluous, then it turned out that grandmas were flooded there unmeasured, and now spit on it? Type: but what can you do, the money was stolen, you need to ask for more money. They will no longer give to the East, so maybe they will give to Baikonur? Instead of jokes about trampolines, it would be better if he organized the work in his Roskosmos so that they wouldn’t shave there, but earn honestly. Probably no one is stealing from Mask, so they flew ...
    1. slipped
      slipped 2 June 2020 23: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Jovanni
      But what about the Vostochny Cosmodrome


      At the Vostochny cosmodrome, the construction of the launch complex for the Angara rocket continues;


  13. Tochilka
    Tochilka 2 June 2020 10: 01 New
    +1
    An amazing "achievement" of the top leadership of the "young country": any announced initiative (no matter which one) immediately receives a response that there will be no result, at least half of it will be plundered ... And on the topic, why was the Eastern built? Or is there such a quality of construction that it's just ugly?
    1. aglet
      aglet 2 June 2020 18: 15 New
      0
      but how, we swam, we know
    2. slipped
      slipped 2 June 2020 23: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: Tochilka
      And on the topic, why did they build the East? Or is there such a quality of construction that it’s just a mess?


      It has not yet been built, 1 launch pad is ready for launching Soyuz-2 missiles. Five missiles were delivered and are in storage. Awaiting a commercial payload to be delivered by the British.

      1. Tochilka
        Tochilka 2 June 2020 23: 21 New
        0
        Thank you for clarification. good
        1. slipped
          slipped 2 June 2020 23: 27 New
          0
          Pzhlsta, the naivety of the contingent in the VO is simply amazing ... children probably. lol All delivered missiles paid for by the British forward. As the customer decides to launch then they will fly.
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 3 June 2020 00: 38 New
            0
            Are they thinking of transferring manned flights to Vostochny?
            1. slipped
              slipped 3 June 2020 00: 46 New
              0
              Quote: Bad_gr
              Are they thinking of transferring manned flights to Vostochny?


              In 2025, it is planned to launch the NP PTK with astronauts to the ISS from Vostochny as part of the spacecraft's flight design tests.

              The manned flights of the Soyuz MS TPK will continue from the 38th platform of Baikonur, to the Soyuz-2.1a launch vehicle, and after the modernization of the 2nd platform, and from it.
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 3 June 2020 00: 48 New
                0
                Quote: slipped
                In the year 2025 ...
                Clear. Thanks for the information.
  14. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 2 June 2020 10: 03 New
    +1
    Reading Rogozin's words, I realized that our cosmonautics are not flights with cosmonauts and scientists, but a large construction site with workers and foremen ... Maybe it's already worth putting the cosmonaut to "command" the space ????
    1. cniza
      cniza 2 June 2020 13: 20 New
      +1
      Not every athlete becomes a coach, but Rogozin is definitely not from the field of astronautics and not a natural nugget.
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 2 June 2020 14: 17 New
        +2
        Victor, I completely agree with you. By the concept of COSMONAUT, I meant those who came to this sphere by vocation, and not for the sake of a warm place and personal devotion to the LEADER. At one time, Beria did a lot for flying into space, but we flew into space thanks to the ROYAL, and not the managers and security officers. It was the KOROLYOV who made a breakthrough of mankind into space, not BERIA ... It is possible to "launch" Rogozin into space, but this will not make him an astronaut.
        1. cniza
          cniza 2 June 2020 14: 48 New
          0
          We have very few professionals who are in the leadership of state corporations and in the Government, hence there are so many mistakes, miscalculations and slow economic growth.
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 2 June 2020 19: 56 New
            +4
            Quote: cniza
            We have very few professionals who are in the leadership of state corporations and in the Government, hence there are so many mistakes, miscalculations and slow economic growth.

            hi
            Fragment of the original speech of Stalin in 1935
            We must finally understand that of all the valuable capital available in the world, the most valuable and most decisive capital is people, personnel.

            We must understand that under our current conditions "cadres decide everything."

            We will have good and numerous cadres in industry, in agriculture, in transport, in the army, our country will be invincible.

            We will not have such frames - we will limp on both legs.
            1. cniza
              cniza 2 June 2020 20: 18 New
              +2
              Yes, I read these materials, professionals are very uncomfortable, often fanatical in their field, and they need to be able to manage, not everyone can, they prefer according to their devotion and not to business qualities.
  15. Blue fox
    Blue fox 2 June 2020 10: 06 New
    +4
    This is a direct answer-answer to Elon "our" Mask! To modernize the start of construction in 1956 ... Yes, there, in addition to standard RVRs (repair and restoration work a la replacement of plates in the gas outlet) and local reinforcements (in the early 2000s), a total reconstruction is required, nevertheless, dynamic loads at the start it’s not a joke (initially we didn’t count on such a number of starts from one table), if we are guaranteed to use it for a long time, which is not a fact .. Perhaps it would be easier to build at least a new starting table nearby? On the other hand, it is very likely that the Kazakhs will be given a marafet for our money, and they, perhaps, will let us "shoot" one or the other racket with the cosmonauts. It's a shame that all the dances and songs about the Angara are all ... But how beautifully they showed off in front of the Kazakhs and, in fact, left on the residual funding everything that we will now frantically modernize. fool
    1. Catholic
      Catholic 2 June 2020 15: 39 New
      +7
      Quote: Blue Fox
      Now we will frantically upgrade.

      Well, a new source of cut ...
  16. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 2 June 2020 10: 15 New
    -13
    It would be worth unsubscribing in yesterday's note on the topic "The trampoline works!", But I will note here too ... laughing
    Judging by the responses of the non-brothers, and the liberal-minded part of the population of our country, with the launch (well, finally!) Of Crew Dragon, throughout Russia all cries are heard yaroslav all-polymer ...
    And the reason was the successful launch (yeah sho!) Of a spaceship built with money from a commercial company headed by the failed bridegroom of the American actress Amber Heard.
    For a full 6 years (six, Carl!), NASA astronauts traveled into orbit in the Russian Unions, and this was when Russia was announced space sanctions. And those on! They got their own trampoline! And he works if he believes I. Masku.
    And criticism rushed to the address of Roscosmos, and personally to Rogozin ... They say we do not know how to manage, build, or fly ... And finally .. "Chef, everything is gone .." And the main beneficiaries were ultra-nationals from the neighboring countries that have already sold everything they can and cannot, including their conscience and sovereignty. And our liberoids pulled themselves up - they say learn from smart Americans ...
    What happened?
    In the US, finally built and launched a spaceship that can deliver cargo and crews to the ISS? But who would doubt ... With their money then. The Pentagon alone spends 10 times more on its aircraft than Russia, and more than all the other countries of the world combined ....
    But does it surprise anyone that a private company, and not NASA, is engaged in the creation of the medium?
    The answer is simple - if the US Congress found out how much was actually drunk and invested in the "new" space program, Nancy Pelossi (Trump's best friend, by the way) would have had a stroke.
    Therefore, there is no reason to "rejoice" at the next peremogy of the American cosmonautics. No breakthrough happened. Well, perhaps, the spacesuits were updated, the fairing was ordered from the design bureau.
    It's like advertising Tesla electric cars - supposedly absolutely harmless to the environment, like all "natural energy" ...
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 2 June 2020 10: 58 New
      11
      unknown from where the commercial company came from


      In total, 90 successful launches on 3 launch vehicles did that.

      As for where they came from, I will repeat it with another innovator who actually started during Mask (well, in general, even earlier, Musk simply did not immediately accumulate money).

      At 15 years old, he collected great from luminium. At 18, he equipped it with rocket engines (of his own design) and tried to kill himself in New Zealand. It didn’t work out. But it accelerated to 150km / h. Then he worked in New Zealand, in the laboratory. But dreamed of space and rockets. Eventually a bold startup took off - first scored 300 thousand. Then having a prototype of the engine, developments on technology collected about 150 million on the launch pad, production, the rocket itself, scaling etc. $ 5,7 billion successful commercial missile company today. Which opens the second launch pad, already in the USA, launches new products (Photon) on the market and is looking for how to increase efficiency (return of the stage, missile modernization program, which was launched last year).


      find out the US Congress how much has actually been invested in the "new" space program


      So they know the data is open. And each additional expense must be justified. Musk, by the way, could not, but Boeing was able and received in 2019 another 187 million extra. At the same time, the truth fell to 150-160 due to the Demo1 file and the decision of the commission (not only from NASA) that they would not give money for the second Demo1, and the Boeing should do it for their own.

      Boeing - 4,820.9 plus one more 187 million in 2019 for incidental expenses - The report, published Thursday by NASA's Office of Inspector General, also said that the space agency unnecessarily allocated $ 187 million to Boeing.
      SpaceX - 3,144.6

      At the same time, both companies saved on a rocket well, those who did not have a rocket (2 out of 5 participants) were thrown out of the project, one more (Chaser) was thrown out due to overprice and low availability. Although in CRS-2 - a new nanoShutl climbed. Next year it will fly with 5 tons of cargo to the ISS. And there you look and do the manned version. Not for NASA and the ISS, but for Axium if their space hotel takes off.

      Nancy Pelossi (Trump's best friend, by the way) would have had a stroke.


      These are pennies that rolled behind the lining. Nancy doesn't even look at such a penny. They have their own SenateLobbySustem (SLS) - where the Mask is not allowed even on a cannon shot, like any other private traders. The real loot is mastered by Boeing, Lockheed and other subcontractors who have respected people in high offices.

      Just appreciate the difference in the dough:
      $28 Billion into SLS Through 2019 and $ 59-69 Billion Total Cost SLS by 2024

      Both programs (Boeing and Mask) = 1/10 of the SLS.

      Nancy also has nothing against launching with Delta Heavy's budget money, the most expensive rocket in the world today. The same Musk is trying to get certified. But for another 5 years he will certify his Heavy at such a pace. For there is no money. And the Delta was launched and immediately 500 + million was gone.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 2 June 2020 11: 42 New
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        Both programs (Boeing and Mask) = 1/10 of the SLS.

        Thank you.
        Enlightened ...
        hi
      2. unaha
        unaha 2 June 2020 12: 09 New
        +6
        This is not even recalling Bezos, who spends about $ 1 billion of personal money a year on blue origin. But he has a methane engine, a suborbital rocket, and another in development.
    2. ultra
      ultra 2 June 2020 11: 23 New
      +2
      How simple it is for you! Those who are dissatisfied with the situation in the country in general, or as in this case, in our space industry, are registered as liberals. laughing
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        1. ultra
          ultra 2 June 2020 12: 07 New
          +7
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          .You live in a country that you are only ... about.

          Unlike you, I separate the government and the pro-government "elites" from the country.
      2. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 2 June 2020 14: 56 New
        0
        How simple it is for you! Those who are dissatisfied with the situation in the country in general, or as in this case, in our space industry, are recorded as liberals


        wink I am usually not a liberal, but a zdabol. Criticize everything. Scold everyone. Everything is bad.
        After criticism, never offer anything alternative. Try to see something good. There are sources telling about what is being done positive in the country ....
        1. ultra
          ultra 2 June 2020 17: 30 New
          0
          Quote: Interlocutor
          To criticize everything. Scold everyone. Everything is bad.
          After criticism, never offer anything alternative. Try to see something good.

          How not to suggest? We suggest to comrade Putin, with comrades, go have a rest. With their "sensitive" leadership, the country has been marking time for 12 years.
          1. Interlocutor
            Interlocutor 2 June 2020 17: 52 New
            0
            How not to suggest? We suggest to comrade Putin, with comrades, go have a rest. With their "sensitive" leadership, the country has been marking time for 12 years.


            Sooooo. Go on ... And the country will be ruled ..... (Last name in the studio). Name the person following the garden city from Russia.
            1. ultra
              ultra 2 June 2020 21: 36 New
              -1
              There will be elections, we’ll see there.
    3. aglet
      aglet 2 June 2020 18: 18 New
      0
      "And criticism rushed to the address of Roscosmos, and personally to Rogozin .."
      This criticism did not begin yesterday, but quite a few years ago. and not because Rogozin is not personally liked by anyone, but according to his affairs
  17. Roman123567
    Roman123567 2 June 2020 10: 20 New
    0
    East .. "Gagarinsky start" .. some other "Baiterek"
    The field is not plowed for cutting ..
  18. Million
    Million 2 June 2020 10: 23 New
    +2
    Nothing good will come out anyway. Only money is stolen
    1. Catholic
      Catholic 2 June 2020 15: 43 New
      10
      Maybe that’s all for this?
      Quote: Million
      Nothing good will come out anyway. Only money is stolen
  19. Super
    Super 2 June 2020 10: 27 New
    -7
    Good news! Dmitry Rogozin is engaged in difficult but real affairs, unlike the swindler Mask ...
    1. Catholic
      Catholic 2 June 2020 15: 44 New
      +9
      Quote: Super
      Rogozin is engaged in difficult but real affairs

      Did he bring anything to completion?
      1. unaha
        unaha 2 June 2020 16: 39 New
        +2
        I suppose it was sarcasm ...
  20. UserGun
    UserGun 2 June 2020 10: 27 New
    +2
    By the way, due to restrictions on the width of the tunnels on the Trans-Siberian Railway, it is impossible to deliver an object with a width (diameter) of more than 3.9 meters .... This is such a hitch ...
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 2 June 2020 10: 35 New
      +2
      Who needs this Oriental ..
      We don’t get enough of everything in the parades, the second one decided to get down to Gagarin’s sideways at least against the backdrop of Mask’s success ..
      So we live ..
    2. Free wind
      Free wind 2 June 2020 10: 41 New
      0
      Maximum size for rail transportation. With auto transportation even less.
      1. UserGun
        UserGun 2 June 2020 11: 39 New
        -1
        No, well, Americans somehow carry the same ... Although they certainly have the same roads)))



        And we still have the Tsar’s tunnels to the East ....

        1. Free wind
          Free wind 2 June 2020 13: 53 New
          0
          Dimensions in height of automobiles are 4 m. In terms of width it is still possible to coordinate, and with an escort to go, and at night we will allow traffic to be blocked. but under the bridges, it’s not at all .. They tried to drive with oversized bridges, but few succeeded.
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 2 June 2020 18: 10 New
            0
            Musk can, if desired, carry by sea. Both the plant and the spaceport have access to the sea nearby
        2. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 2 June 2020 14: 58 New
          0
          And we still have the royal tunnels to the East ..

          That is, you compare the road to the gorge of mountains and in the desert?
    3. Avior
      Avior 2 June 2020 11: 08 New
      10
      And before, I wonder, about the tunnels and their sizes did not know?
      At first they built a spaceport, then they went to measure the tunnels?
      1. UserGun
        UserGun 2 June 2020 11: 31 New
        +1
        I do not know how they were guided, but the fact remains. Pagany Americans))) (and not only) do not impose such restrictions on themselves. The Starship Mask has a diameter of 9 meters, New Glenn is 8 meters, the Chinese for the lunar heavyweight claimed 10 meters.
        1. Free wind
          Free wind 2 June 2020 14: 09 New
          +2
          Before you do anything, first you need to think through everything. Like damned Americans do. They calculate the ways so that nothing gets in the way. At Amerau where is the cosmodrome, on Cape Canaverl, as I understand it, the main delivery can be by sea. and assembly somewhere close to Baikonur fray, also not dipped. Everything crawled somehow. Contact lines were not raised on the piece of iron, and pantographs were not changed. Maybe not everything is so scary. It’s just that everyone was rushing with Vostochny, and then, it seems, he is not needed. Well, okay, we assume that concrete is given a cap to gain.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 2 June 2020 14: 34 New
            0
            There is only one way out: wait for the Elephant to launch into a series of aircraft for 180 tons of cargo and transport rockets on the hump on the hump - it seems like they wanted to do an airfield on Vostochny.
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 3 June 2020 00: 09 New
              0
              Earlier, when transporting blocks from Energia, they somehow managed without any "elephants":



              In general, a workshop for the production of large-sized parts could be built next to the cosmodrome. After all, the Vostochny cosmodrome is located in Russia.
              1. slipped
                slipped 3 June 2020 00: 59 New
                +1
                Quote: Bad_gr
                In general, a workshop for the production of large-sized parts could be built next to the cosmodrome. After all, the Vostochny cosmodrome is located in Russia.


                Not necessary. This was in the 60s when they did the N-1 at Baikonur.

                KRK "Soyuz-5" and KRK "Yenisei" consist of blocks with a diameter of 4.1 meters.

              2. vadimtt
                vadimtt 3 June 2020 15: 44 New
                0
                And how many flying Atlantes and Mriy are in Russia now? laughing
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 3 June 2020 19: 36 New
                  0
                  Quote: vadimtt
                  And how many flying Atlantes and Mriy are in Russia now? laughing

                  That is, it is impossible to solve the problem of transporting bulky goods in our time?
      2. aglet
        aglet 2 June 2020 18: 20 New
        0
        as always, maybe crawl through
    4. Wasilii
      Wasilii 2 June 2020 11: 16 New
      +5
      Whether it’s a matter of Soviet galoshes. They drove by planes and did nothing, coped.
    5. slipped
      slipped 2 June 2020 23: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: UserGun
      By the way, due to restrictions on the width of the tunnels on the Trans-Siberian Railway, it is impossible to deliver an object with a width (diameter) of more than 3.9 meters .... This is such a hitch ...


      The diameter of the URM Rang Angara is 3,6 meters. The diameter of the URM Soyuz-5 launch vehicle is 4,1 meters.

      That's enough. laughing
  21. ufpb
    ufpb 2 June 2020 10: 33 New
    0
    Dad served as a compressor at the Gagarinsky launch. We follow the events.
  22. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 2 June 2020 10: 36 New
    0
    Why invest in Kazakhs? Finish East and fly. But a journalist cannot understand this. Now in Kazakhstan, Russians are being squeezed everywhere. The territory we have chopped off, thanks to the mustachioed, now they kick out ....
    1. Catholic
      Catholic 2 June 2020 15: 47 New
      +5
      Quote: Dzafdet
      Finished East

      Not interested in Oriental anymore. He needs a new facility.
  23. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 2 June 2020 10: 36 New
    11
    It makes sense to invest in Baikonur if we try to leave from there to Vostochny. Some kind of situation with 2 chairs and one skinny booty, which already lacks finance.
    1. rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 2 June 2020 11: 52 New
      0
      Well, at Rogozin, God forbid everyone, ate on the kickbacks
    2. slipped
      slipped 3 June 2020 01: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      It makes sense to invest in Baikonur if we try to leave from there to Vostochny.


      In Baikonur, Russian citizens live. The city is under Russian jurisdiction, as well as leased for 50 years.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 3 June 2020 04: 00 New
        0
        The Kazakhs have long pressed us for the non-environmental friendliness of our running products, in fact, they cut money, introduce quotas for launches, etc. If we build the infrastructure there for the Angara, the future Soyuz and superheavy - which seem to be on more environmentally friendly fuels, they will definitely come up with something else. And local ecological and patriotic elements will happily harness for them. We have already gone through all this on the example of Sevastopol, the Gabala radar station .. a foreign country, foreign rules. The fact that there is an object does not interfere with milking, and every year the milking is higher, and our profit from space is lower. This is what we are talking about - we did not start all this hellish hemorrhoids with Vostochny for nothing - with the rocketry moving to Omsk and building almost from zero at the end of the world. Dependency is definitely not good, and now we need to finally finish off the Eastern one and not spend money on symbols ..
        1. slipped
          slipped 3 June 2020 04: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          If we build the infrastructure there for the Angara, the future Soyuz and superheavy - which seem to be on more environmentally friendly fuels, they will definitely come up with something else.


          Roskosmos is not going to "build an infrastructure there for the Angara," and even less for superheavy. laughing The second launch for the Angara missiles is now being built at Vostochny. Start for superheavy will begin to build immediately after.

          Baiterek is when Russia supplies the Soyuz-5 rocket to Kazakhstan for launching Kazkosmos, since the launch at the 45th site belongs to them. Similarly, Russia is supplying the Soyuz-2ST missile to the French from Arianespace for launches from the GKTs in Kourou.

          The modernization of the Gagarinsky Launch is done under the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle, since a duplicate launch is required for the manned program, in addition, from this launch, a new modification of the Soyuz-2M rocket will be launched under commercial programs.

          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          And local environmental and patriotic elements will gladly harness for them.


          The 45th site near Baiterek belongs to Kazakhstan. Let them harness themselves. lol

          The 2nd site has always belonged to Roscosmos, which will continue to operate it in its own interests and in the interests of partner countries. Those. at Baikonur, Roscosmos will have only two Soyuz-2 launches.

          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          About this and talk


          The right way, the direction is not right .... laughing I explained above why.
  24. Kart
    Kart 2 June 2020 10: 41 New
    +7
    And it's all?
    Some kind of muddy modernization with unknown dates and results?
    Damn, I'd rather be silent, honestly. He would be smart.
    1. Catholic
      Catholic 2 June 2020 15: 50 New
      +9
      Quote: Carte
      better to be silent

      He is a philosopher plus worked as a journalist, which means he cannot be silent wink
    2. slipped
      slipped 3 June 2020 01: 08 New
      -1
      Quote: Carte
      Some kind of muddy modernization with unknown dates and results?


      The timing and the result are known - the launch of the Soyuz-2M missile launcher with launch services per kg is much lower than that of the Americans.

      Quote: Carte
      Damn, I'd rather be silent, honestly. He would be smart.


      You? lol well, yes, probably.
  25. Igoresha
    Igoresha 2 June 2020 10: 52 New
    +6
    1) shoot
    2) transfer the space program in the war to the MO
    3) designate a person in charge.
    4) define tasks
    5) if it does not work out, see paragraph 1
    1. Kart
      Kart 2 June 2020 11: 47 New
      +2
      Well, that's right, you can’t argue.
      In this situation, it will only be possible to do something.
    2. Catholic
      Catholic 2 June 2020 15: 51 New
      +9
      good
      Colleague, a really sound proposal hi
  26. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 2 June 2020 11: 01 New
    +9
    Rogozin: Soon, the modernization of the “Gagarin launch” can begin

    When will someone get involved in the Rogozin landing?
    1. Kart
      Kart 2 June 2020 11: 51 New
      +2
      It must be built from scratch, and this is a long time.
      It's a shame. Cosmos is that little that we are rightfully proud of.
      And suddenly this is a slurred murmur and a ruined affair.
      Let him build a platform in the taiga already, with a jigsaw.
    2. Catholic
      Catholic 2 June 2020 15: 54 New
      +7
      It's like a situation with Chubais. Everyone dreams of landing him, but ... Maybe someday, someone ...
  27. Wasilii
    Wasilii 2 June 2020 11: 12 New
    +5
    Bullshit. “Maybe”, “Nazarbayev's start”, “Negotiations with the UAE”, and what all this has to do with the “legendary launch site”. Rogozin's verbal diarrhea becomes a pandemic.
  28. ultra
    ultra 2 June 2020 11: 17 New
    +4
    Why are we spraying funds? In my opinion, it is necessary to leave Baikonur, and invest the released resources in the East.
  29. Brancodd
    Brancodd 2 June 2020 11: 25 New
    +4
    Without the consent of the authorities of Kazakhstan, no modernization work is possible. For any sneeze, they require serious money. And the volume of claims (claims) is constantly growing. It may happen that there will be no modernization at all ...
  30. ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF 2 June 2020 11: 39 New
    +1
    Soon, the modernization of Rogozin may begin. So more precisely. And the philosopher’s prospects are vague.
    1. zwlad
      zwlad 2 June 2020 12: 45 New
      0
      There is nothing to upgrade
      1. Catholic
        Catholic 2 June 2020 15: 56 New
        +9
        Do not tell. It is possible to modernize, for example, his life for a certain number of years somewhere in the vastness of the Far North.
  31. rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 2 June 2020 11: 49 New
    +5
    When you already stuck a gag into this fabulous idiot, can it be time to first do it and then grind it with your tongue?
  32. Vlp8
    Vlp8 2 June 2020 11: 52 New
    +1
    it will not save you from the carpet, Batutych)
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 June 2020 14: 38 New
      -1
      We already have Anatoly Taburetkin Sergey Bordyurovich Dmitry Aifonovich and now Dmitry Batutych - in short, we are assembling a team.
  33. Raven 95
    Raven 95 2 June 2020 11: 58 New
    +4
    In light of recent events, he would be better off being silent, if only for a short while.
    And he modernizes, optimizes. Nazarbayev launch, together with the UAE, came up with ....
  34. iouris
    iouris 2 June 2020 12: 18 New
    +2
    You should start with the modernization of the Union, or else ... money down the drain.
    1. cniza
      cniza 2 June 2020 13: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      You should start with the modernization of the Union, or else ... money down the drain.



      It’s hard to disagree with this.
  35. zwlad
    zwlad 2 June 2020 12: 20 New
    0
    And why did we build the east then?
    1. iouris
      iouris 2 June 2020 13: 17 New
      0
      Quote: zwlad
      And why did we build the east then?

      Who are we?
      1. zwlad
        zwlad 2 June 2020 13: 51 New
        +4
        Citizens of the Russian Federation by transferring taxes.
  36. Forest
    Forest 2 June 2020 12: 45 New
    -2
    How many "specialists" are there in the comments on launches and astronautics,
    it is strange that such specialists are idle)
  37. Dikson
    Dikson 2 June 2020 12: 48 New
    0
    Yes, we have these cosmodromes ... like shoe polish at an uncle's factory ... at each one you can organize modernization to steal money!
    1. aglet
      aglet 2 June 2020 18: 23 New
      0
      "on each you can organize upgrades for stealing money!"
      so for sure the order list has already been drawn up
  38. Domovenok
    Domovenok 2 June 2020 12: 55 New
    -6
    I look at articles about Lukashenko and Rogozin (Roskosmos) have become very popular here
    The first pits, Belarusians and me, the second spread rotten cosmos.
    Like to close everything, like the "Buran" program (in the 90s) and fly now on Mask missiles))))
    Let us destroy the space industry (what remains of the Soviet Union) completely ... And there will be bulk happiness for you, etc.
  39. askort154
    askort154 2 June 2020 12: 55 New
    +3
    Prospects for the development of the city and the spaceport will give not only the reconstruction of the Gagarin launch, but also the Baiterek project, which also bears the informal name of the Nazarbayev Launch.

    Soviet-made rake dance. Everything that was built in the Union republics is collapsed, and what has survived is leased to Russia from the 90s.
    - in Azeibarjan - Gabala radar station "Daryal"! In 2002 recognized as their property,
    and surrendered to Russia on an annual lease for 115 million dl., and only stopped in
    pay 2012 when they requested 300 million. In 2013, the station was dismantled and
    exported.
    - in Latvia "Daryal-UM" was blown up by "Russophobes".
    - in Kazakhstan - In the 70s they built the Dnestr and Dnepr radars. In the 80s they started - "Daryal-U",
    which in 1990 was 95% ready. but - frozen. In 2003, all of these radars were
    transferred to Kazakhstan. In 2004, the stations were dilapidated, and the newest
    burned out. "Baikonur" - recognized as the property of Kazakhstan and leased
    Russia with an annual fee of 115 million. from 1994 to 2050 (extended in 2004)
    - in Belarus, the "Volga" and "Vola" radars (long-distance communication) are used free of charge in
    account for writing off debts for the supply of energy and the provision of information
    about the space and rocket situation for a period of 25 years.
    - Ukraine - the lion's share of the military-industrial complex of the USSR - "down the drain."
    The construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome will allow Russia to maintain the status of an "independent space power" - VV Putin.
    The volume of theft at the Vostochny cosmodrome exceeded 13 billion rubles. - Head of the Accounts Chamber of Golikov (2019).
    It can be remotely assumed how much the "reconstruction of the Gagarin launch" will cost the Russian budget not on its territory, under the name - "Baiterek".
    We continue to live in the present day - to snatch more from the budget for crazy projects while in power, and then - "at least the grass does not grow."
    1. cniza
      cniza 2 June 2020 13: 05 New
      +1
      You are right, we need to do everything on our territory.
  40. ZVS
    ZVS 2 June 2020 12: 55 New
    +1
    In! Rogozin and Roscosmos found another project to tear a decent chunk from the budget.
    Roscosmos' appetite has no boundaries, and the government does not want to test this organization for the effectiveness of its work. They did not complete the Vostochny, now they rush to the Gagarinsky start. As in that joke, "I will not eat it, I will bite it so." It is time for Roscosmos to deal with the Prosecutor General's Office.
    1. cniza
      cniza 2 June 2020 13: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: SU

      The appetite of Roscosmos has no boundaries, and the government does not want to test this organization for the effectiveness of its work.


      I’m not in terms of protection, but if the Government does not, then ... no words.
    2. slipped
      slipped 3 June 2020 01: 43 New
      -2
      Quote: SU
      In! Rogozin and Roscosmos found another project to tear a decent chunk from the budget.


      Are you still out of your mind? laughing Looking at the coat of arms, vague doubts gnaw ... laughing This is a commercial project. Modernization of the second site with money from the UAE bank, the 45th site with money from Kazakhstan.

      Quote: SU
      The appetite of Roscosmos has no boundaries,


      Of course, we want to sell a lot of missiles and launch services. You don't like it laughing

      Quote: SU
      and the government does not want to test this organization for the effectiveness of its work.


      The revenue of only one Glavkosmos in 2019 amounted to almost 14 billion rubles.

      Quote: SU
      They did not finish the East, now they rush to the Gagarinsky start.


      The construction of Vostochny, which will continue for another 10 years, there is still a third stage and the construction of a launch for ultralight missiles is planned, has nothing to do with the modernization of the second site of Baikonur. In 2006, the 38th site was also modernized nearby. The carriers are new, so they upgrade the starts.
  41. cniza
    cniza 2 June 2020 13: 02 New
    -1
    Negotiations are going on right now, and we hope that they will be completed soon, and we will begin real, already physical, work on this first legendary launch pad.


    So it’s true, and if they ask us from there tomorrow and the United States is working hard on it.
    1. slipped
      slipped 3 June 2020 01: 45 New
      0
      Quote: cniza
      So it’s true, and if they ask us from there tomorrow and the United States is working hard on it.


      That Kazakhstan will lose a lot of money. That's all.
      1. cniza
        cniza 3 June 2020 08: 47 New
        0
        Not everything is measured in money, but at the expense of loss, the United States will promise the golden mountains, first, and then, as usual, they will throw it, but it will be later, when everything is destroyed and they will achieve this very aggressively.
        1. slipped
          slipped 3 June 2020 12: 13 New
          -1
          Quote: cniza
          Not everything is measured in money, but at the expense of loss


          We have planned the construction of another launch under the Soyuz-5 spacecraft and Soyuz-6 spacecraft - on Vostochny as part of the third stage of the cosmodrome construction.
          1. cniza
            cniza 3 June 2020 13: 42 New
            0
            So it’s like that, only see logistics is not all right, you need to expand the tunnels ...
            1. slipped
              slipped 3 June 2020 20: 13 New
              -2
              Quote: cniza
              So it’s like that, only see logistics is not all right, you need to expand the tunnels ...


              What for? Width allows delivery.
  42. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 2 June 2020 14: 00 New
    -2
    Rogozin, remember: a trampoline is a real kidalovo ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 June 2020 14: 40 New
      +2
      The trampoline will not throw it anymore - it has become too thick.
  43. Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 2 June 2020 14: 49 New
    +1
    I present to your attention the "Plan for the Development of Domestic Cosmonautics until 2030":

    Step 1
    Using the Proton launch vehicle, we launch the Soyuz spacecraft with the crew into orbit of the moon. They were created for this. Therefore, investment should be minimal.

    Thus, we are warming up the interest of Americans in the moon. Accordingly, Musk receives a new contract from NASA and throws all SpaceX resources to the exploration of the moon.

    Step 2
    At a time when all the attention of Americans is riveted to the Moon, RosKosmos is quickly restoring the project of the inter-orbital tugboat Ferry. This is a reusable spacecraft project, but which is based not on the Earth, but on the ISS, is accordingly not subject to constant overloads and can serve for decades.

    By the time the Americans get to the moon, we are bringing a brand new Ferry to the ISS, which is revolutionizing the space transportation market (including flights to the moon). Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy become completely unprofitable. SpaceX stocks crash. Mask has the first heart attack.

    Step 3
    The Americans are beginning to hysterically seek an answer, but the only thing that comes to their mind is to copy the Russian Ferry. It is clear that all this takes time, and at this time, RosKosmos is cutting grandmas. By the time the Americans get a copy of the Ferry, the horse’s move follows ...

    ... the Russians are undocking their ISS segment without which the life support of the American segment is impossible. Accordingly, the American Ferry cannot operate without basing on an orbital station and remains unclaimed. ALL! The dominant position of Russia in space is guaranteed!

    Here is such a multi-path! Contact! bully
  44. Ros 56
    Ros 56 2 June 2020 14: 56 New
    0
    The news is about nothing.
  45. Tomich3
    Tomich3 2 June 2020 15: 09 New
    -3
    Stop lying already. Since the future of Soyuz-5 is directly related to Kazakhstan (the country should finance work on the Irtysh launch pad in Baikonur), it cannot be ruled out that any complications in the relationship between the two countries could negatively affect the joint project. One could hope for serial production of the Russian Falcon 9, but this is not so - after the completion of flight tests scheduled for the first half of the 2020s, it is planned to produce only one Soyuz-5 a year. In fact, this means that while “Roskosmos”, pouring huge financial flows, is trying to “save” the Khrunichev Center, which has been in the pre-bankrupt state for several years, another Russian company, “Progress”, which provides the majority of Russian missile launches, is located exactly in the state that provides the necessary production, but no more. You can clearly see this by looking at the video of the enterprise published by Roskosmos, for example, the March video of the production of Soyuz-5 elements in the Samara RCC in the interiors of the room, peeling paint falls off the walls, as well as reading the latest messages from the Samara press about regular corruption scandals in "Progress" and mass layoffs of employees.
    1. slipped
      slipped 3 June 2020 01: 21 New
      -1
      Quote: Tomic3
      Stop lying already.


      Right The hat is on the thief.

      Quote: Tomic3
      Since the future of Soyuz-5 is directly related to Kazakhstan


      The Soyuz-5 launch site will be built at the Vostochny cosmodrome as part of the third phase of construction.

      Quote: Tomic3
      the country should finance the work on the launch pad "Irtysh" in Baikonur


      If you want to make money on launches of your own and foreign spacecraft.

      Quote: Tomic3
      it cannot be ruled out that any complications in the relations between the two countries could adversely affect the joint project.


      Will they stop buying Soyuz-5 from us, which, according to their president, is going to make money? laughing

      Quote: Tomic3
      One could hope for mass production of the Russian Falcon 9


      Any missiles are mass-produced after the completion of their flight design tests.

      Quote: Tomic3
      however, this is not so - after the completion of flight tests scheduled for the first half of the 2020s, it is planned to produce only one Soyuz-5 a year.


      How much Kazakhstan can afford to buy. If the Arabs give more money, there will be more.

      Quote: Tomic3
      In fact, this means that while Roscosmos, pouring huge financial flows, is trying to “save” the Khrunichev Center, which has been in a bankrupt state for the last several years,


      Do you propose to liquidate it, dismiss all employees, and give the land for housing development? belay

      Quote: Tomic3
      another Russian company, Progress, which provides most of the Russian missile launches, is in exactly the same condition that provides the necessary production, but no more.


      More than 40 Soyuz-2 missiles in stocks production. Released ready-made more than a dozen.

      Quote: Tomic3
      You can clearly see this by looking at the video of the enterprise published by Roscosmos, for example, the March video of the production of Soyuz-5 elements in the Samara RCC in the interiors of a room where peeling paint falls off the walls,


      Oh! laughing It is necessary for Alexey to say that he has prepared a bucket of paint. lol Although why, the workshop is under reconstruction and is used as a warehouse.

      Quote: Tomic3
      and also after reading the latest reports of the Samara press about regular corruption scandals in Progress and the massive cuts in the company's employees.


      Missiles are launched in a holy spirit, clearly.
  46. veritas
    veritas 2 June 2020 15: 29 New
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    Rogozin: Soon, the modernization of the “Gagarin launch” can begin

    For an official of this level, one cannot use such words. What do you mean "soon" or "maybe". It is necessary to speak more specifically, as well as another chatter.
  47. Dargavs
    Dargavs 2 June 2020 15: 44 New
    +2
    Strange contradictions in the comments: 1. The comment on how much money the United States spent on space programs is completely ignored. 2 Rogozin's text that he found money in a joint project with Kazakhstan and the Arabs is another cut. Are commentators generally able to analyze?
    You really please decide how to bask or checkers or go. Either in the programs of Russia and the USA in both - cut, or the program of Russia is much cheaper the result is one - and therefore more effective!.
  48. lisiy prapor
    lisiy prapor 2 June 2020 15: 59 New
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    Well, that’s all, the Kalabukhov House has disappeared ...
  49. fa2998
    fa2998 2 June 2020 17: 09 New
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    Quote: mark1
    Quote: marchcat
    where is the innovation ???

    Electromagnetic catapult? 0 transition?

    Only do not say this to Rogozin, otherwise you will ask for money for novation.
    So "Vostochny" was built, a lot of money was spent (and stolen) request request They said that we would have our own cosmodrome, there is nothing to rent from Kazakhstan. And opochki, they haven’t finished there yet, and they are back to Kazakhstan. Are they laundering money like that? hi hi hi
  50. senima56
    senima56 2 June 2020 17: 19 New
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    It's time to introduce the concept of "rogozinschina". good This is when a lot of idle talk and little business! fool