Court in the case of MH17: the prosecutor's office of the Netherlands is going to attach the statements of Igor Strelkov to the case

Court in the case of MH17: the prosecutor's office of the Netherlands is going to attach the statements of Igor Strelkov to the case

In a week, the Hague will hold a hearing in the case of MH17. At the same time, the Russian side claims that the investigation has not been completed and that it would not hurt to conduct additional examinations.


According to representatives of the Russian Foreign Ministry, the investigation team was in a hurry to submit the materials to the court. Director of the First European Department of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs Alexey Paramonov described the position of the investigation as politicized, biased and one-sided.

Statements in the press are not evidence


Meanwhile, an official representative of the Netherlands prosecutor's office, Brechtier van de Mosdeyk, announced that she could attach Igor Girkin's statements to the case. This man, also known as Igor Strelkov, led the armed forces of the Donetsk Republic in 2014 and, according to the investigation, played a key role in the tragic events with the Boeing. Apparently, we are talking about Girkin’s words about the “moral responsibility” that he feels due to the death of passengers on the plane. This was the ex-Minister of Defense of the DNI told The Times. At the same time, Girkin (Strelkov) noted that the DNR militia didn’t bring down the plane, just as the Russian military didn’t (but the opposite was said in the West).


Igor Girkin is considered one of the main defendants in the case of MH17

Recall that in addition to Girkin, the investigation accuses the Russians Sergey Dubinsky and Oleg Pulatov and the Ukrainian Leonid Kharchenko. According to the Dutch side, they organized the delivery of Buk anti-aircraft guns to Donbass, from which the airliner allegedly was shot down, flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

The set of evidence used by the investigation is rather strange. What are some excerpts from public speaking or interviews of the same Girkin or photos from social networks. Who knows, and for what, feels responsible? Though for Kennedy’s murder, but what relation can a person’s personal statements have to the case file?

Someone Vladimir Ivanovich


There was also a mention of a mysterious person under the name "Vladimir Ivanovich." Girkin claimed that he obeyed his orders at that time. Records of telephone conversations of the military commanders of the Donetsk People's Republic intercepted by the Security Service of Ukraine, who speak of “Vladimir Ivanovich” as “a great boss from Moscow,” are attached to the case materials. The Insider and Bellingcat claim that it was this man who oversaw the supply of heavy weapons to the Donbass in 2014.

Western media did not hesitate to say that under the name "Vladimir Ivanovich" was hiding the current deputy chief of the Border Service of the FSB of Russia. Then, in 2014, he was a lieutenant general and held a position in the Border Guard Department of the FSB Border Service. However, there is no real evidence of the identity of the general and the mythical “Vladimir Ivanovich”. But for the West, of course, it is extremely beneficial to represent one of the current Russian security forces as the main person involved in the MH17 case. It’s more solid ... And when people ask for evidence, they usually hear something like “we have them, but they are secret” ...

At the same time, an official representative of the Netherlands prosecutor's office claims that there are no new defendants in the MH17 case. As before, charges were brought only to Girkin, Pulatov, Dubinsky and Kharchenko. The investigation stubbornly continues to ignore the materials that were handed over to the joint investigative group by the Russian Federation, including evidence that the rocket was launched by plane from an anti-aircraft gun belonging to the armed forces of Ukraine.

Meanwhile, it is clear that without the full participation of Russia in the course of the investigation, there can be no talk of any objective result. Over the years, the investigation team has not succeeded in succeeding in anything other than politicized statements, otherwise more real evidence and new defendants would inevitably have appeared in the case.
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  1. The comment was deleted.
  2. rocket757 1 June 2020 11: 12 New
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    Branding, dishonor and condemn, it is clear. It’s not clear how relatives will perceive an open linden, bullshit!
    1. military_cat 1 June 2020 11: 35 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      It’s not clear how relatives will perceive an open linden, bullshit!
      What is incomprehensible, relatives wrote an open letter about this:

      ... According to relatives of the deceased, Russia deliberately distributed "a huge number of fabricated and contradictory explanations of what happened" and did "everything possible to hide the truth or, even worse, to formulate the idea that the truth will never be found."
      1. rocket757 1 June 2020 11: 41 New
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        Those who just think so, their own court "pills" and prescribe. And there it’s someone like, someone they seem sugar, and someone will spit from bitterness. there is no consensus and agreement .... however, we have the same thing.
        1. cniza 1 June 2020 13: 11 New
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          I really hope that in our time the truth will erupt ...
          1. rocket757 1 June 2020 13: 28 New
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            Hi soldier
            Everything is very complicated with the truth, because the matter fell into the hands of those who want to arrange a trial, though they are up to the lantern.
            1. cniza 1 June 2020 13: 29 New
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              This is so, but in our time it is very difficult to hide the truth.
              1. rocket757 1 June 2020 13: 50 New
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                The accusations are vague, the facts ... yes, count them and there are no justified ones. There is nothing to refute, by and large, there will be \ there is a fight against windmills!
                1. Olgovich 1 June 2020 14: 31 New
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                  Quote: rocket757
                  The accusations are vague, the facts ... yes count and no andx reasonable

                  Who did it once in the West stop?

                  The culprits will not be established, but will appoint....

                  Rather, already ...
                  1. rocket757 1 June 2020 14: 58 New
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                    Quote: Olgovich
                    The culprits will not be established, but appointed ...

                    We, in that "circus", will simply be appointed whipping boys.
                    1. cniza 1 June 2020 17: 09 New
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                      They can appoint something, but will we agree, do we have arguments and trump cards ...
                      1. rocket757 1 June 2020 19: 34 New
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                        The boom is stronger than them, we don’t have to prove anything then .. NO is said, then NO!
                      2. cniza 1 June 2020 20: 32 New
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                        A truth that does not require proof.
                    2. blackice 3 June 2020 05: 09 New
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                      It’s hard to play trump cards against those who have your money in the bank.
                      What prevented "our" elite from providing "top secret evidence" to their "top secret evidence" that none other than Joe Biden himself and his son personally shot down that Boeing?
                      And even that prevents all accounts and real estate are in Europe and the "big brother".
                      I immediately remember a joke about where you can miss a missile. It turns out that only in Birobidzhan.
        2. codetalker 1 June 2020 14: 18 New
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          The truth is known to all. Surely the entire management corps of NATO countries.
          1. cniza 1 June 2020 17: 11 New
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            Now we need to organize the leak of this information ...
        3. major147 1 June 2020 16: 07 New
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          Quote: cniza
          I really hope that in our time the truth will erupt ...

          What's the point !? They do not accept anything that contradicts their version.
          1. cniza 1 June 2020 17: 12 New
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            It will be sense if you persevere.
        4. aszzz888 2 June 2020 06: 37 New
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          cniza (Victor) Yesterday, 13:11 NEW
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          I really hope that in our time the truth will erupt ...
          Petsku-drunk to come out to us, and crack like a walnut. Immediately burns everyone, including the meerkatos and their relatives. Such creeps creep out, and shake for their remaining worthless life.
    2. cniza 1 June 2020 13: 11 New
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      The writers of this letter are far from relatives.
  3. Valery Valery 1 June 2020 11: 51 New
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    Quote: rocket757
    how relatives will perceive an open linden, garbage!

    It seems to them (relatives) whoever shot down the plane anyway, now it’s more important who pays. There is nothing to be done - European values ​​rule .....
    1. rocket757 1 June 2020 12: 25 New
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      Not everyone there cares ... but grandmas, of course, rule. We will see.
      1. cniza 1 June 2020 13: 09 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        Not everyone there cares ... but grandmas, of course, rule. We will see.


        And these grandmas are huge ...
        1. rocket757 1 June 2020 13: 39 New
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          I am so naive, I continue to believe that truth is dearer to someone.
          1. cniza 1 June 2020 17: 06 New
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            There are not so few of us, we will continue to believe ...
            1. rocket757 1 June 2020 19: 30 New
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              Quote: cniza
              There are not so few of us, we will continue to believe ...

              This is just inspiring.
              We believe in the truth, no matter what ... otherwise, why all this is necessary.
              1. cniza 1 June 2020 20: 30 New
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                It could not be otherwise; they stood on the truth, they died for the truth ...
    2. Alexander I 1 June 2020 14: 16 New
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      Their court will decide on guilt, and then on compensation, and you can seize property, in this they do not take experience
      1. rocket757 1 June 2020 15: 00 New
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        It just seems to be a choice, war or shame ... in our case, both happen in one glass.
  4. Civil 1 June 2020 12: 13 New
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    The war didn’t write off anything, alas ... only the winners are not judged.
    1. rocket757 1 June 2020 12: 27 New
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      The winners are also judged, only he can score on it, if definitely stronger.
      1. cniza 1 June 2020 13: 09 New
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        If the winner does not organize a trial, then yes ... hi
        1. rocket757 1 June 2020 13: 42 New
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          For the winner, in any case, many claims can not be presented. He has such a “privilege” for himself and for almost everyone to decide.
          1. cniza 1 June 2020 17: 08 New
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            If you go to the village they will peck until you show strength ...
            1. rocket757 1 June 2020 19: 32 New
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              Yes, the rules of the "game" are tough!
              There are always those who want to finish ... we won’t bring them such pleasure!
              1. cniza 1 June 2020 20: 31 New
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                Otherwise, we can’t see our future, but we want to leave something for our descendants ...
                1. rocket757 1 June 2020 20: 50 New
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                  In, in, at the expense of the descendants .... we will protect very carefully!
  5. gurzuf 1 June 2020 12: 58 New
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    I think it’s about as the Negroes are now reacting to the death of strangled George Floyd. Someone rallies, and the rest rob shops. They will appeal to the Russian Federation.
  6. tihonmarine 1 June 2020 13: 00 New
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    Quote: rocket757
    It’s not clear how relatives will perceive an open linden, bullshit!

    The Western man in the street eats everything, if only the money was paid for the dead. They never bother with truthfulness, the main thing is that there would be a court decision.
    1. rocket757 1 June 2020 13: 02 New
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      Quote: tihonmarine
      the main thing is that there would be a court decision.

      Maybe so ... I would like to say that we will see, but so far it is not very clear with this.
      1. tihonmarine 1 June 2020 13: 11 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        Maybe so ... I would like to say that we will see, but so far it is not very clear with this.

        Belief in the most humane and fairest Western court I have long been gone (as well as in African).
  7. Piramidon 1 June 2020 13: 04 New
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    Quote: rocket757
    It’s not clear how relatives will perceive an open linden, bullshit!

    Relatives have long been brainwashed. If they are constantly poured into their ears - “Russia is to blame”, then they have this postulate firmly entrenched in their brains.
    1. rocket757 1 June 2020 13: 44 New
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      It is useless to read at all races, even at many, but maybe at least someone .....
  8. Mountain shooter 1 June 2020 13: 11 New
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    Quote: rocket757
    Branding, dishonor and condemn, it is clear. It’s not clear how relatives will perceive an open linden, bullshit!

    Shooters ALWAYS was not abstained in language. It just does not understand the measures of responsibility for its words, since it has become public ... True, only a Dutch court can attach "moral responsibility" to a case ...
    Everything was clear to the court within 15 seconds after the liner fell to the ground. All this investigation is farce ...
    1. Insurgent 1 June 2020 13: 41 New
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      Court in the case of MH17: the prosecutor's office of the Netherlands is going to attach the statements of Igor Strelkov to the case

      Well, there and attach THERE IS NOTHING.

      "The Netherlands Prosecutor", of course you can understand yes .

      Puffing so much time, trying to create at least SOMETHING of NOTHING, "fitting the puzzle" to the given answer, and suddenly ... an interview fellow Strelkova himself (in their opinion, suspect No. 1).

      But, firstly - the interview, this is just an interview, not a testimony at the interrogation in the prosecutor’s office or in court, and therefore DOES NOT CHANGE no .

      And secondly, I repeat, the interview does not contain anything "sensational" or "incriminating", except for the reasoned statement of I. Strelkov that the militia is not related to the death of Boeing ...
    2. rocket757 1 June 2020 13: 47 New
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      In general, he did not say anything incriminating in an interview ... but, the temperature in their "chicken coops" has long gone through the roof ... there are no sensible arguments in the afternoon with fire.
  • Sergey39 1 June 2020 11: 14 New
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    Strelkov’s statements (if desired) can be attached to both the prosecution and the acquittal. Everything will depend on intentions.
    1. bouncyhunter 1 June 2020 11: 24 New
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      Quote: Sergey39
      Strelkov’s statements (if desired) can be attached to both the prosecution and the acquittal. Everything will depend on intentions.

      Everything will depend on the lawyer / prosecutor (underline the necessary, delete the excess). hi
      1. gurzuf 1 June 2020 13: 00 New
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        Everything will depend, as in Ukraine, on political expediency.
        1. Sergey39 1 June 2020 14: 26 New
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          Quote: gurzuf
          Everything will depend, as in Ukraine, on political expediency.

          Therefore, they have been pulling for so many years. They are waiting on whose side the ripened fruit is dropped.
      2. cniza 1 June 2020 13: 05 New
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        There, unfortunately, they decide the money ...
    2. Insurgent 1 June 2020 13: 49 New
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      Quote: Sergey39
      Strelkov’s statements (if desired) can be attached to both the prosecution and the acquittal. Everything will depend on intentions.


      Little life hack for the Netherlands prosecutor's office - to print out their materials immediately in pipiphax rolls yes .

      At least some good ...
    3. Romey 1 June 2020 16: 35 New
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      From a purely procedural point of view, the statements of II. Strelkova do not have legal force, because can not be considered evidence. In general, if you follow this logic, for a start it would be nice to find out how the liner ended up in the zone of active databases ...
      1. Insurgent 1 June 2020 17: 18 New
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        Quote: romey
        if you follow the logic, for a start it would be nice to find out how the liner ended up in the zone of active databases ...

        But with this, just clearer than clear yes .
        Ukraine did not close the airspace in the database zone due to banal greed, continuing to cut coupons from the airways ...

        But this, the Dutch court, does not care at all. It’s not the outskirts that are judged, but Russia ...
        1. Romey 1 June 2020 17: 24 New
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          Well, I’m talking about the same ... But wasn’t there any other intention besides greed? If we follow the logic further, it turns out that the disaster was absolutely not needed either by the Russian Federation, or even the militia. But, de facto, it turned out that Kiev and those who are behind it really need it ...
          1. Insurgent 1 June 2020 17: 27 New
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            Quote: romey
            Was there other intentions besides greed?

            There was yes In that part, that scoundrel officials and politicians, obviously several, unfriendly RF states took advantage of the greed of bastard officials from aviation ...
  • kriten 1 June 2020 11: 14 New
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    What evidence? Who needs them? Fake is enough, otherwise you’ll run into the initiator of the murder of Dutch citizens - the CIA ...
  • Slavs 1 June 2020 11: 15 New
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    As soon as Strelkov’s words on the recognition of moral guilt appeared on the network, there was no doubt that everyone who needed and didn’t need to cling to words didn’t ...
    Very convenient.
    1. Mitroha 1 June 2020 11: 48 New
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      Even the presence of sincere confession does not cancel the conduct of investigative actions and the collection of evidence. On one sincere confession, the courts do not win, but lose.
      And here is just a double-interpreted phrase.
      1. cniza 1 June 2020 13: 04 New
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        But will it be a court, it will be a performance, although it will take a very long time to wait and we will see how they will conduct everything.
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    1. igorbrsv 1 June 2020 11: 37 New
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      Didn't Ukraine have missiles for beech? Why would they deliver?
    2. Break through 1 June 2020 11: 39 New
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      So the Ukrainian rocket. There are even documents. That is, Ukraine must be judged.
    3. Pereira 1 June 2020 11: 48 New
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      Some Germans were hanged after the Nuremberg Tribunal only for fomenting war.


      A considerable number of forest brothers were also hanged. True, the Germans are for business, and these are business. Have you had any relatives among them?
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        1. Igoresha 1 June 2020 13: 05 New
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          Germans regret what they did, a Russian net.
          all claims to the Latvian revolutionary arrows, those that Comrade Lenin was guarded and created revolutionary chaos
        2. andranick 1 June 2020 13: 09 New
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          my grandfather was sent to Siberia ... he was just farmer.

          FARMER ??? This is when families sent to Siberia FARMERS ???
          Scorching to the fullest.
          1. Insurgent 1 June 2020 14: 06 New
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            Quote: andranick
            FARMER ??? This is when families sent to Siberia FARMERS ???


            Do not know belay ? According to the exchange program with the USA yes
            They sent farmers from Kansas to Siberia lol
            1. andranick 1 June 2020 14: 11 New
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              Ah, there it is! laughing
        3. Non liberoid Russian 1 June 2020 13: 39 New
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          if my grandmother had horseradish, she would be a grandfather. it’s clear to you, the daughter of a farmer, in whom everything is not so clear in a lie
        4. Pereira 1 June 2020 13: 58 New
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          Yes, history has put everything in its place. The secret has become apparent.
          We will never forget which side your ancestors fought on. We will never forget what the Balts and Germans did in our country. It is high time for the Baltic states to be recognized as a defeated party in WWII along with the Nazis and to seek reparations as from Germany. With interest, of course.
          And about the good innocent grandfather, tell me there on May 8, interspersing the story with groans - "We will never fight against Russia again." We repeat otherwise. And then Siberia will seem salvation.
        5. Insurgent 1 June 2020 14: 04 New
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          Quote: Vitauts
          My grandmother told me how the corpses of the forest brothers who were shot were thrown into the market and were not allowed to bury.


          Scary crying ... Though in the 90s, when they finally got the coveted "independence", the corpses (remains / skeletons?) Were removed from the market, buried?

          In general, the source is reliable yes can be trusted unconditionally yes because it’s not "OBS"and your grandmother ...
    4. kit88 1 June 2020 12: 04 New
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      Quote: Vitauts
      I do not think that BUK missiles could have been delivered to Ukraine without the permission of Shoigu and Putin. They should be judged in the first place.

      Do you have a quencher?
      For your reference, in order to "judge" the people you mentioned, you must first declare war on Russia, and secondly, win this war. If "firstly" you can foolishly do it, then "secondly" is not practicable in principle.
      1. Vitauts 1 June 2020 13: 02 New
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        thanks to this philosophy you live like cattle.
        Maybe that's why no one respects you?
        1. kit88 1 June 2020 13: 31 New
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          Well, dear, I voiced an undeniable truth. And you somehow immediately fell into insults. Okay. I didn’t start it.
          I will tell you that we live our minds and in our independent state. We live not as “cattle”, but as quite normal people. And no one can dictate how we live.
          What about you? N-nda. Then Peter and I won your territory with Karl in preference, or they did your revolution in Petrograd, or they helped Hitler. Now you have been given the opportunity to stick to Western civilization (created not by you, but by other peoples). The West will lose interest in you - once again, it will bet and lose. What if he loses the cannibals from the islands of distant hot Africa?
          In short, no one puts anything at all. And remember, you are not part of the West, you are nobody.
          Well, and who lives here like cattle? And whom "no one respects"?
          1. Vitauts 1 June 2020 13: 43 New
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            The collapse of the USSR has taken you crazy. Look at Norway, a country in which, like in Russia, there is oil. How people live in Norway and how in Russia.
            Maybe kissing the feet of Tsar Putin is what makes you happy. If so, then good luck.
            1. strannik1985 1 June 2020 13: 59 New
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              The collapse of the USSR has taken you crazy.
              Look at Norway

              Norway, producing per capita oil 4,3 times more than Russia, looks at you with surprise, Saudi Arabia producing 5,2 times more - similarly.
            2. kit88 1 June 2020 13: 59 New
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              Dear, there is oil in Norway, in Switzerland - cheese and cans. So what? Russia is not Norway or Liechtenstein, which can become small-small, so that they would not be heard and not visible.
              Russia is a player on the world stage.
              And not a boob, "as in the old Polish preference."
              And Putin, that Putin. We’ll sort it out ourselves, this is purely our business.
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              ANB 2 June 2020 00: 40 New
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              . The collapse of the USSR has taken you crazy. Look at Norway, a country in which, like in Russia, there is oil. How people live in Norway and how in Russia.

              I personally live better in Russia than Norwegians in Norway.
              And what does Norway and the Baltic have to do with it?
          2. Vitauts 1 June 2020 13: 52 New
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            You rather stupidly interpret the facts of history with the idea of ​​showing that the Russian people are superior to the Latvian? Is that your goal?
            Obviously, you are nothing in person if you need to use this to prove your truth.
            1. kit88 1 June 2020 14: 15 New
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              Respected. The transition to personality as an argument is a sign of bad education.
              I’m not going to say anything bad about the Latvian people. I had a chance to live for quite a long time even under the USSR, though not with you, but with your northern neighbors. People are like people with their own strengths and weaknesses. Great guys.
              I do not think that you are very different, the pronunciation, as it seemed to me, is sharper.
              But you should not climb into the Great Game of the Big States. In it you are a "boob." And no matter how your rulers lick their heels without hitting anyone, big uncles can always use you as a bargaining chip. Sorry for the frankness.
          3. Boris Afinogenov 1 June 2020 14: 14 New
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            By the way, this also applies to mother Russia.

            While growing up. power and business flirting with the West, then, sort of, everything is fine. Even the French president claims “Russia - Europe: from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok,” but just a little - Russia will be barred so that sanctions appear to be honey.

            We must understand that for the West we will never be ours. The decline of Russian civilization cannot be allowed.
            1. RUSS 1 June 2020 15: 23 New
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              Quote: Boris Afinogenov
              We must understand that for the West we will never be ours. The decline of Russian civilization cannot be allowed.

              We ourselves are closing ourselves off from everyone and looking for an external enemy, blaming all our failures on the USA and the West
        2. Sergey M. Karasev 1 June 2020 14: 40 New
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          Quote: Vitauts
          thanks to this philosophy you live like cattle.
          Maybe that's why no one respects you?

          Here for such statements exactly you no one respects. negative
        3. Sergey S. 1 June 2020 16: 00 New
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          Quote: Vitauts
          thanks to this philosophy you live like cattle.
          Maybe that's why no one respects you?

          If you expand the population of different countries in terms of income, you will see that you are wrong.
          Moreover, after the 1990s, Russia has really changed.
          If you evaluate the behavior of tourists in foreign resorts, Russian tourists are generous enough to consider your words a manifestation of envy, restraint and open rudeness.
          Unfortunately, we have already become accustomed to the idea that Europe has turned into the backyard of civilization ....
    5. Esso 1 June 2020 12: 46 New
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      naive, customers, this is the Mi-6 and the CIA. the goal is to blame Russia and the imposition of sanctions. Western propaganda and purchased journalists will do everything. If there was a missile launch and a hit on an airplane, everything would have been published long ago. The question was beech, not an explosive device on board an airplane. Even the Dutch themselves said there were no beeches in the area of ​​the flight of the aircraft.
    6. Igoresha 1 June 2020 12: 53 New
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      They should be judged in the first place.

      + Poroshenko and every second Maydan’s
    7. cniza 1 June 2020 13: 01 New
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      Quote: Vitauts
      those who gave orders should be judged first.
      .


      That's right, they will judge, only I'm afraid you will be very surprised ... although what am I talking about, you just work ...
    8. tihonmarine 1 June 2020 13: 08 New
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      Quote: Vitauts
      I do not think that BUK missiles could have been delivered to Ukraine without the permission of Shoigu and Putin.
      Do not carry utter nonsense. After the collapse of the Soviet Union and declaration of independence in 1991, Ukraine inherited one of the most powerful force groups in Europe, equipped with fairly modern weapons and military equipment. From August 24, 1991, Ukraine came under the jurisdiction of Ukraine: 14 motorized rifle, 4 tank, 3 artillery divisions and 8 artillery brigades, 4 special forces brigades, 2 airborne brigades, 9 air defense brigades, 7 regiments of combat helicopters, three air armies (about 1100 combat aircraft) and a separate air defense army. So Ukraine, Ukraine, got so many different types of weapons that would be enough for a serious offensive war, and not just bring down the Boeing. And you are throwing your Bandera-pro-Western tales.
  • knn54 1 June 2020 11: 26 New
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    Of the FOUR HOUR interviews, Times reporters “pulled out” ONLY one phrase “Since I commanded the militias and was a participant in the conflict, I feel moral responsibility for the death of these people” and inflated to “heaven.” And the Dutch decided to attach to the case. Apparently not from a good life.
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      Quote: knn54
      Of the FOUR HOUR interviews, Times reporters “pulled out” ONLY one phrase “Since I commanded the militias and was a participant in the conflict, I feel moral responsibility for the death of these people” and inflated to “heaven.” And the Dutch decided to attach to the case. Apparently not from a good life.

      For them, Strelkov made all the raspberries
  • parusnik 1 June 2020 11: 29 New
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    The court decision has already been made ... We are waiting for the next sanctions or even worse ..
  • bober1982 1 June 2020 11: 35 New
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    Mr. Strelkov is excessively talkative and overly arrogant, some megalomania is felt.
    On his page in the social network, all his empty chatter is fully manifested.
    1. Romey 1 June 2020 17: 30 New
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      Mr. Strelkov, unlike some, a man of action, calls a spade a spade, and he is very far from the megalomania and impudence of his nullified and his camarilla ... In any case, he speaks after the deed, and not to him ...
  • Break through 1 June 2020 11: 36 New
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    Fake investigation and fake court
  • Hagen 1 June 2020 11: 38 New
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    It is amazing how a person who allegedly has experience in the FSB does not behave correctly. He would have generally refrained from media activities, and even more so from interviews with Ukrainian supposedly journalists. It is impossible not to understand that in the current conditions this is tantamount to joining a game with cheaters. And this despite the fact that everyone has long known that the opposite side is cheaters, and the judges were originally imprisoned for the game according to their rules. Maybe this is not entirely appropriate, but all the amendments to the constitution were suddenly started in the fire order precisely in order to fend off a court decision that would clearly be against us. All other amendments about ecology, medicine and others are just a “cover operation” of the main amendment. This is how I personally see this whole story. The Libyan scenario is repeated but in a weighed and perverted form. International law has died. Today, one who is more determined to take extreme measures is right. An example of this is the impact of Trump on Un. And just for the sake of this, it is more profitable for us to leave GDP as the president and the main “bulldog” in this ring.
    1. Esso 1 June 2020 12: 57 New
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      Dude did not enter the Dokrina of Russia, now he is looking for what to make. If Russia had shot down, it would have already surrendered.
  • rotmistr60 1 June 2020 11: 41 New
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    Five years dragging a cat by the tail instead of actually conducting an objective investigation and finally identifying the perpetrators who are well known - Poroshenko according to the plan of the CIA. But the Western "cooperative ethics" does not allow. They perfectly understand that the Ukrainian leadership is war criminals, but you won’t step on the Russophobian throat and you won’t kill the anti-Russian howl.
    1. cniza 1 June 2020 12: 57 New
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      They perfectly understand that the Ukrainian leadership is war criminals, but you won’t step on the Russophobian throat and you won’t kill the anti-Russian howl.


      Everyone understands everything, but everyone uses it to their advantage. They will accuse Russia to the last, I really want to believe that the truth will break through ...
  • Masha 1 June 2020 11: 46 New
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    And exactly ...
    "Vladimir Ivanovich"

    Not Vladimir Vladimirovich? Not? recourse
    1. bouncyhunter 1 June 2020 12: 00 New
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      Quote: Masha
      Not Vladimir Vladimirovich? Not?

      Freudian reservation? wink Masha love
      1. Masha 1 June 2020 13: 36 New
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        Freudian reservation?

        Two psychologist colleagues meet, one from the other asks: “Why are you so sad?” He replies: “Imagine, I made a reservation today, just like Freud! I wanted to tell my wife, dear, you poured soup again, and said ... you fool, you ruined my whole life! "
        Pasha, howdy there! love
    2. Sergey S. 1 June 2020 16: 03 New
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      Not Vladimir Vladimirovich? Not?

      There is an option "Vasily Ivanovich."
  • Vladimir Mashkov 1 June 2020 11: 49 New
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    And the long-term “honest” “investigation” - dusting, and the same “honest” “court” -criminal will NEVER admit the truth and will not name the true organizers and perpetrators of the provocation with the destruction of MH17: CIA, SBU, Poroshenko, Kolomoysky, Voloshin.
  • Raven 95 1 June 2020 12: 14 New
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    Why fly over a war zone?
    First of all, it is necessary to judge the one who sent this plane there.
    Here I hope the names are known.
    And whoever clicked on the Start button, we still never know. And no matter how destructive evidence one of the parties cited, the other will never accept them.
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      And whoever clicked on the Start button, we still never know. And no matter how destructive evidence one of the parties cited, the other will never accept them.

      But what, the calculation of the “Buk” or “duty shift of the airdrome” - as it’s convenient, didn’t they see anything? Everything secret becomes apparent.
      1. Raven 95 1 June 2020 12: 46 New
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        The other side will declare everything fake, propaganda and unacceptable evidence.
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          The other side will declare everything fake, propaganda and unacceptable evidence.

          As with "ichtamnet"
  • iouris 1 June 2020 12: 19 New
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    Do you recognize this "tribunal"?
  • Moskovit 1 June 2020 12: 20 New
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    I immediately remembered
  • begemot20091 1 June 2020 12: 23 New
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    Quote: Vitauts
    Some Germans were hanged after the Nuremberg Tribunal only for fomenting war.

    What are you? And detail? Most Nazi criminals hid in the zone of occupation of the "allies" and safely survived to old age, occupying high posts and positions in Germany, the USA, and Canada. The largest diaspora of Bandera is in Canada. It rules to this day.
    1. Vitauts 1 June 2020 13: 06 New
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      The Chekists who killed civilians and prisoners were not convicted at all.
      1. andranick 1 June 2020 13: 11 New
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        Many have not finished off. Thanks to the shortcomings of the Chekists, you have the opportunity to write here.
        1. Vitauts 1 June 2020 13: 25 New
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          How many civilians, women and children still needed to be killed to make you happy? Just tell me how much ..?
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            How many civilians, women and children still needed to be killed

            Are you talking about those who, after the war, killed civilians, teachers, doctors, and collective farmers in Western women? MUCH MORE! Look at how many shortcomings floated in Ukraine.
          2. Non liberoid Russian 1 June 2020 13: 45 New
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            enough of you, immediately the stink will become less
          3. ANB
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            . How many civilians, women and children still needed to be killed to make you happy? Just tell me how much ..?

            Ask the question at the wrong address. The killings of civilians, women and children involved (and are) Bandera, forest brothers and Nazis. Which was just executed by the employees of the NKVD and other authorized departments.
      2. Sergey S. 1 June 2020 16: 19 New
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        Quote: Vitauts
        The Chekists who killed civilians and prisoners were not convicted at all.

        I don’t know who you are about now ... but I guess.
        And here is a real fact, to which I was a witness a long time ago.
        In the USSR, they did not like to serve in the internal troops.

        Once I had a chance to talk with one of the former wevashniks.
        Unfortunately, this person has already been found, otherwise I would have written an article for a full-fledged publication.
        He told how at the end of the war they saved the Balts after the defeat of the Germans.
        The fact is that retreating and leaving the base in 1941, ours sometimes could not take out their wounded, and left them to the local population ...
        And when the Red Army went to the West, the comrades of the wounded who were left tried to find their comrades ...
        It turned out that almost all the wounded were immediately surrendered to the Nazis to be torn to pieces.
        ... The NKVD forces had to prevent lynching over fascist henchmen and just cowards. The scale of the phenomenon can not really appreciate. But that such was, I am sure.
        You would put a monument to these Chekists!
  • Junior Private 1 June 2020 12: 44 New
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    International law has died.

    Did you just notice? It was previously very conditional and one-sided.
  • andreykolesov123 1 June 2020 12: 48 New
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    I believe that Israel is to blame. It was he who substituted Boeing for air defense missiles.
    1. cniza 1 June 2020 12: 53 New
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      What are you talking about?
  • svp67 1 June 2020 12: 52 New
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    Meanwhile, an official representative of the Netherlands prosecutor's office, Brechtier van de Mosdeyk, announced that she could attach Igor Girkin's statements to the case.
    Full profanity, how can one append evidence of an unidentified person to the case? Netherlands prosecutors show miracles of "pulling an owl on a stump" ...
  • cniza 1 June 2020 12: 52 New
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    Over the years, the investigation team has not succeeded in succeeding in anything other than politicized statements, otherwise more real evidence and new defendants would inevitably have appeared in the case.


    As long as the West has no desire for them to appear and it seems there will never be one.
  • Alien From 1 June 2020 13: 06 New
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    These calm down only when they completely absorb the sea .....
  • Andrey the Magnificent 1 June 2020 13: 43 New
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    There will be no court, but a court !!! am
  • Tooks 1 June 2020 13: 44 New
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    In fact, everything is simple. Who launched the rocket does not matter. The main thing in the other is who admitted that the civilian aircraft was in the combat zone. But this is not of interest in this political situation.
    1. Svlad 1 June 2020 14: 09 New
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      It’s unpleasant to admit, but we shot down. Things happen. It was the 19th aircraft shot down by LDNR. Ukrainians are no side here. Only innocent people are sorry. Morons can start to put cons
      1. Junior Private 1 June 2020 14: 50 New
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        "Who are "we? Introduce youreself.
      2. boris epstein 1 June 2020 15: 05 New
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        Before speaking, it would be nice to watch the movie "The Truth about the MH17 Crash. Sensational investigation of an SBU officer." SBU Colonel Vasily Prozorov conducted this investigation while still in the SBU. Then he went over to the side of the DPR and ended up in Moscow with ALL investigation documents.
        1. Avior 1 June 2020 15: 55 New
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          Interfax, in his words, writes that he didn’t lead and in general he was not allowed to go
          . According to Prozorov, in all his attempts to find out the circumstances of what happened in conversations with officers of the General Staff and the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine there was almost always an answer: "Do not get into this topic if you do not want trouble."

          https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.interfax.ru/amp/655596
      3. ANB
        ANB 2 June 2020 00: 52 New
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        . It’s unpleasant to admit, but we shot down. Things happen.

        "We" is Ukraine? That's right, you have to repent. I’ll even put a plus for you now.
        No, I did not put a plus.
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        It’s unpleasant to admit, but we shot down. Things happen. It was the 19th aircraft shot down by LDNR.

        Not Us, but Hiley Likely Rebels. What brought down does not matter. Everything went astray and shot, all that was accessible, which threatened the life of the rebels. If Jewelin blows up a bus with civilians, is America to blame?
        The reason for the incident was the permission to fly in the war zone, where planes had previously been shot down in bundles. Lawyers must promote lawsuits against Ukraine if they want to make good money.
  • APASUS 1 June 2020 14: 17 New
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    The accusation is made, the perpetrators are appointed, and evidence in the political game is not so important
  • thinker 1 June 2020 14: 38 New
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    Well, there and attach something, NOTHING ..

    But what about the 9M38 SAM fragment No. 8868720, sent on December 29, 1986 to military unit 20152. Can it not be attached? request
  • Junior Private 1 June 2020 14: 46 New
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    Why fly over a war zone?
    First of all, it is necessary to judge the one who sent this plane there.

    Yes. This is a direct violation of the requirements of ICAO, which are binding on civil aviation. It is interesting that the court will answer this.
  • Operator 1 June 2020 15: 26 New
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    Girkina was coughed up through Gordon for "recognition of moral responsibility" and "Vladimir Ivanovich", of course.
  • NF68 1 June 2020 15: 33 New
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    Let them look on the Internet. They there such "incontrovertible data" can find that will take breath away.
  • Mikhail3 1 June 2020 16: 14 New
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    How? Who here jumped with screams, they say Strelkov "didn’t mean it"? Now his slippery remarks will serve to condemn Russia, which was demanded of him by those who paid him all these interviews. That’s the story, the little ones ...
    1. Romey 1 June 2020 18: 36 New
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      Well, I jumped ... Jump again. Only to explain that I will not say anything new to Strelkov and all the more so I will not say anything, it is superfluous for the Kremlin bots. In all this ugly Boeing story, you need to dig at the beneficiaries and here everything is more or less clear to us. Personally, I’m more interested in the question of which bad radish man signed the Minsk conspiracy, saved the APU from a disaster and arranged a criminal garbage dump with a taste of blood in the Donbass. Do not offer ukrov, everything is clear with them like twice two, and even demand from the enemy ... That's the story, the little ones ...
      1. Mikhail3 2 June 2020 08: 46 New
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        But no explanation is required here. The man was paid to give a lead, and he gave it in a disciplined manner. "Honest politician" - remains purchased if bought. Maybe when he fought. And now he is selling. It's mean.
        Other questions are other questions. Absolutely, completely different. As all honest people know, someone else’s meanness doesn’t justify you. But so honest ...
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          Is there evidence? No. And will not be. And, as for Strelkov, it’s no wonder at a time when lies, cowardice, hypocrisy became the norm, an honest and principled person seems at least a black sheep, a maximum a traitor. Yes, exposing your comprador’s gang, Strelkov betrayed the beards, the carpentry, the zarcharchenka, the marmot-dudaev, pushin, kozakov, malofeyev and Putin, but he never betrayed Russia. And so you are so enraged, pouring all your poison on the late Brain and the living, God forbid, Strelkov's health, serving you as a living reproach ...
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            Honest and principled ?! Awesome! And what inspired this cherub to make statements that enemies use against Russia? Honesty? Or principle? And if he begins to write in your eyes, will you also say that this is God's dew? Ugh ...
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              That is, the Putinists recognize this court, if you are so serious? Have you rolled off the coils? Ugh ... What kind of enemies beyond the hill can we talk about at all, if the president, government and all power in their entirety work for us? For Russia you’re enemies worse than foreign ones, though they don’t hide it, you’re hypocrites, dress up as patriots ...
  • vkd.dvk 1 June 2020 16: 35 New
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    This is so, but in our time it is very difficult to hide the truth.

    Who needs the truth, after a couple of years. The main thing is today to fart so that the ears of the entire "democratic world community" are completely laid.

    The truth can be constructed, as is done today with the accusations of Russia - the USSR in fomenting war together with Hitler. And then everyone chooses a "candy" to taste. Even. if it will be mined from the toilet.
  • Aag
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    Mr. Strelkov is excessively talkative and overly arrogant, some megalomania is felt.
    On his page in the social network, all his empty chatter is fully manifested.

    Maybe I didn’t understand something, but in an interview
    Strelkova did not hear anything to the curtain that could indicate the guilt of the militia, of Russia. Well, except that one of those letters can, if desired, add another text.
  • impostor 1 June 2020 18: 42 New
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    Minuuuuuyutochka, Monsieur Brechtieu! Put the kosyachok ashes in the ashes and listen. The shooter, in the best traditions of humanism, admitted his MORAL responsibility for what happened (in what is expressed - I don’t know, maybe I didn’t give a timely order to conduct the Kiev offensive operation), he did not recognize the involvement of militias and regular ones. Do you understand the difference between a criminal and an immoral? For violating the code of ethics, it seems like they could arrange a drag at the party’s meeting. But! My dear, as far as we know, Strelok has no party card with the logo of a white compass on a dark blue background? Does the haze of cannabis come through the clubs?
  • begemot20091 1 June 2020 20: 00 New
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    The Chekists who killed civilians and prisoners were not convicted at all.

    it is a pity that many were amnestied. I saw such bloomers in Narym and Vasyugan ... They were afraid to return .. But how many “Latvian arrows” “filled up” and what democratic white-and-white bleach did to water their graves. Why are you silent about captured Red Army soldiers in Poland? ask how many Germans were slaughtered and deported after the liberation of Poland. pull the language out ..... in general, learn the materiel.
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    Quote: rocket757
    how relatives will perceive an open linden, garbage!

    It seems to them (relatives) whoever shot down the plane anyway, now it’s more important who pays. There is nothing to be done - European values ​​rule .....

    Ukraine has no money, Russia has money. So who is to blame?
  • sleeve 2 June 2020 02: 41 New
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    No, well, really. Robbery on the stream set. An incomprehensible court decision will be (in form, in content understandable). On its basis, compensation of millions of 500 and the seizure of property of the Russian Federation. Gopnik real. Show with Pont-Otem. And what to do? The property behind the hill is like a flea dog. Plus, stupidly gas or oil can be arrested in a pipe in any non-paid agreement. Gazprom, Sberbank, Rosneft. It may well advertise for this canoe on the basis of state participation. And what do we do? Pay and pay? Khokhlam, these dwellers, amers ... What to do then?
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    I wonder what Girkin feels, moral responsibility,? The answer begs one
  • begemot20091 6 June 2020 16: 08 New
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    Quote: Vitauts
    The Chekists who killed civilians and prisoners were not convicted at all.

    Berry, Yezhov, Beria, Pliner - convicted, shot, BERMAN M.D. - convicted, shot, Zibrak E.K. -convicted by shots, Lurie A.E.-convicted by rastryan, Schneerson M.Ya.- convicted, shot, SUMBATOV (TOPURIDZE) YUVELYAN DAVIDOVICH -convicted, died in a psychiatric hospital, Shapiro I.I.- convicted, rastrelan, MILSTEYN SOLOLON Rastrelyan was convicted, VLODZIMIR LEV EMELYANOVICH- was convicted, rastrel, LEI IOSIFOVICH REYHMAN- was convicted, shot, VLADIMIR GEORGIEVICH DEKANOZOV, V.N. Merkulov - condemned, shot ... how many more examples on your nonsense - these are just a few high-ranking executives wrote, and even then not all
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    Ukraine has no money, Russia has money. So who is to blame?

    So bloomers all life with an outstretched hand. Who is to blame that there is no lard in the head. It’s pulled by a rocket in Kiev, then by plane. Like monkeys with a grenade.
  • begemot20091 6 June 2020 16: 16 New
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    Quote: Vitauts
    The Chekists who killed civilians and prisoners were not convicted at all.

    http://old.memo.ru/history/nkvd/kto/centr.htm
    Here the fate of the leaders - teach the materiel, And punish the children so that the lessons of history are not missed. Yes, teach them to read good books.