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Court in the case of MH17: the prosecutor's office of the Netherlands is going to attach the statements of Igor Strelkov to the case

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Court in the case of MH17: the prosecutor's office of the Netherlands is going to attach the statements of Igor Strelkov to the case

In a week, the Hague will hold a hearing in the case of MH17. At the same time, the Russian side claims that the investigation has not been completed and that it would not hurt to conduct additional examinations.


According to representatives of the Russian Foreign Ministry, the investigation team was in a hurry to submit the materials to the court. Director of the First European Department of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs Alexey Paramonov described the position of the investigation as politicized, biased and one-sided.

Statements in the press are not evidence


Meanwhile, an official representative of the Netherlands prosecutor's office, Brechtier van de Mosdeyk, announced that she could attach Igor Girkin's statements to the case. This man, also known as Igor Strelkov, led the armed forces of the Donetsk Republic in 2014 and, according to the investigation, played a key role in the tragic events with the Boeing. Apparently, we are talking about Girkin’s words about the “moral responsibility” that he feels due to the death of passengers on the plane. This was the ex-Minister of Defense of the DNI told The Times. At the same time, Girkin (Strelkov) noted that the DNR militia didn’t bring down the plane, just as the Russian military didn’t (but the opposite was said in the West).


Igor Girkin is considered one of the main defendants in the case of MH17

Recall that in addition to Girkin, the investigation accuses the Russians Sergey Dubinsky and Oleg Pulatov and the Ukrainian Leonid Kharchenko. According to the Dutch side, they organized the delivery of Buk anti-aircraft guns to Donbass, from which the airliner allegedly was shot down, flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

The set of evidence used by the investigation is rather strange. What are some excerpts from public speaking or interviews of the same Girkin or photos from social networks. Who knows, and for what, feels responsible? Though for Kennedy’s murder, but what relation can a person’s personal statements have to the case file?

Someone Vladimir Ivanovich


There was also a mention of a mysterious person under the name "Vladimir Ivanovich." Girkin claimed that he obeyed his orders at that time. Records of telephone conversations of the military commanders of the Donetsk People's Republic intercepted by the Security Service of Ukraine, who speak of “Vladimir Ivanovich” as “a great boss from Moscow,” are attached to the case materials. The Insider and Bellingcat claim that it was this man who oversaw the supply of heavy weapons to the Donbass in 2014.

Western media did not hesitate to say that under the name "Vladimir Ivanovich" was hiding the current deputy chief of the Border Service of the FSB of Russia. Then, in 2014, he was a lieutenant general and held a position in the Border Guard Department of the FSB Border Service. However, there is no real evidence of the identity of the general and the mythical “Vladimir Ivanovich”. But for the West, of course, it is extremely beneficial to represent one of the current Russian security forces as the main person involved in the MH17 case. It’s more solid ... And when people ask for evidence, they usually hear something like “we have them, but they are secret” ...

At the same time, an official representative of the Netherlands prosecutor's office claims that there are no new defendants in the MH17 case. As before, charges were brought only to Girkin, Pulatov, Dubinsky and Kharchenko. The investigation stubbornly continues to ignore the materials that were handed over to the joint investigative group by the Russian Federation, including evidence that the rocket was launched by plane from an anti-aircraft gun belonging to the armed forces of Ukraine.

Meanwhile, it is clear that without the full participation of Russia in the course of the investigation, there can be no talk of any objective result. Over the years, the investigation team has not succeeded in succeeding in anything other than politicized statements, otherwise more real evidence and new defendants would inevitably have appeared in the case.
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  1. The comment was deleted.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 1 June 2020 11: 12 New
    13
    Branding, dishonor and condemn, it is clear. It’s not clear how relatives will perceive an open linden, bullshit!
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 1 June 2020 11: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      It’s not clear how relatives will perceive an open linden, bullshit!
      What is incomprehensible, relatives wrote an open letter about this:

      ... According to relatives of the deceased, Russia deliberately distributed "a huge number of fabricated and contradictory explanations of what happened" and did "everything possible to hide the truth or, even worse, to formulate the idea that the truth will never be found."
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 1 June 2020 11: 41 New
        +1
        Those who think so, will prescribe their own court "pills". And then someone else, someone they seem like sugar, and someone will spit out of bitterness. there is no consensus and agreement .... but we have the same thing.
        1. cniza
          cniza 1 June 2020 13: 11 New
          +3
          I really hope that in our time the truth will erupt ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 1 June 2020 13: 28 New
            +5
            Hi soldier
            Everything is very complicated with the truth, because the matter fell into the hands of those who want to arrange a trial, though they are up to the lantern.
            1. cniza
              cniza 1 June 2020 13: 29 New
              +2
              This is so, but in our time it is very difficult to hide the truth.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 1 June 2020 13: 50 New
                +5
                The accusations are vague, the facts ... yes, count them and there are no justified ones. There is nothing to refute, by and large, there will be \ there is a fight against windmills!
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 1 June 2020 14: 31 New
                  +5
                  Quote: rocket757
                  The accusations are vague, the facts ... yes count and no andx reasonable

                  Who did it once in the West stop?

                  The culprits will not be established, but will appoint....

                  Rather, already ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 1 June 2020 14: 58 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    The culprits will not be established, but appointed ...

                    We, in that "circus", will simply be appointed whipping boys.
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 1 June 2020 17: 09 New
                      +4
                      They can appoint something, but will we agree, do we have arguments and trump cards ...
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 1 June 2020 19: 34 New
                        +2
                        The boom is stronger than them, we don’t have to prove anything then .. NO is said, then NO!
                      2. cniza
                        cniza 1 June 2020 20: 32 New
                        +1
                        A truth that does not require proof.
                    2. blackice
                      blackice 3 June 2020 05: 09 New
                      0
                      It’s hard to play trump cards against those who have your money in the bank.
                      What prevented "our" elite from providing "top secret evidence" on their "top secret evidence" that none other than Joe Biden himself and his son shot down that Boeing with their own hands?
                      And it even interferes with the fact that all accounts and real estate are in Europe and with the "big brother".
                      I immediately remember a joke about where you can miss a missile. It turns out that only in Birobidzhan.
        2. codetalker
          codetalker 1 June 2020 14: 18 New
          +2
          The truth is known to all. Surely the entire management corps of NATO countries.
          1. cniza
            cniza 1 June 2020 17: 11 New
            +3
            Now we need to organize the leak of this information ...
        3. major147
          major147 1 June 2020 16: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: cniza
          I really hope that in our time the truth will erupt ...

          What's the point !? They do not accept anything that contradicts their version.
          1. cniza
            cniza 1 June 2020 17: 12 New
            +2
            It will be sense if you persevere.
        4. aszzz888
          aszzz888 2 June 2020 06: 37 New
          0
          cniza (Victor) Yesterday, 13:11 NEW
          +2
          I really hope that in our time the truth will erupt ...
          Petsku-drunk to come out to us, and crack like a walnut. Immediately burns everyone, including the meerkatos and their relatives. Such creeps creep out, and shake for their remaining worthless life.
    2. cniza
      cniza 1 June 2020 13: 11 New
      +7
      The writers of this letter are far from relatives.
  3. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 1 June 2020 11: 51 New
    12
    Quote: rocket757
    how relatives will perceive an open linden, garbage!

    It seems to them (relatives) whoever shot down the plane anyway, now it’s more important who pays. There is nothing to be done - European values ​​rule .....
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 1 June 2020 12: 25 New
      +3
      Not everyone there cares ... but grandmas, of course, rule. We will see.
      1. cniza
        cniza 1 June 2020 13: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: rocket757
        Not everyone there cares ... but grandmas, of course, rule. We will see.


        And these grandmas are huge ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 1 June 2020 13: 39 New
          +2
          I am so naive, I continue to believe that truth is dearer to someone.
          1. cniza
            cniza 1 June 2020 17: 06 New
            +3
            There are not so few of us, we will continue to believe ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 1 June 2020 19: 30 New
              +1
              Quote: cniza
              There are not so few of us, we will continue to believe ...

              This is just inspiring.
              We believe in the truth, no matter what ... otherwise, why all this is necessary.
              1. cniza
                cniza 1 June 2020 20: 30 New
                +3
                It could not be otherwise; they stood on the truth, they died for the truth ...
    2. Alexander I
      Alexander I 1 June 2020 14: 16 New
      +2
      Their court will decide on guilt, and then on compensation, and you can seize property, in this they do not take experience
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 1 June 2020 15: 00 New
        0
        It just seems to be a choice, war or shame ... in our case, both happen in one glass.
  4. Civil
    Civil 1 June 2020 12: 13 New
    +2
    The war didn’t write off anything, alas ... only the winners are not judged.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 1 June 2020 12: 27 New
      +3
      The winners are also judged, only he can score on it, if definitely stronger.
      1. cniza
        cniza 1 June 2020 13: 09 New
        +3
        If the winner does not organize a trial, then yes ... hi
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 1 June 2020 13: 42 New
          +1
          Anyway, you won't have many complaints about the winner. He has such a "privilege" to decide for himself and for almost everyone.
          1. cniza
            cniza 1 June 2020 17: 08 New
            +1
            If you go to the village they will peck until you show strength ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 1 June 2020 19: 32 New
              +1
              Yes, the rules of the "game" are tough!
              There are always those who want to finish ... we won’t bring them such pleasure!
              1. cniza
                cniza 1 June 2020 20: 31 New
                +2
                Otherwise, we can’t see our future, but we want to leave something for our descendants ...
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 1 June 2020 20: 50 New
                  +1
                  In, in, at the expense of the descendants .... we will protect very carefully!
  5. gurzuf
    gurzuf 1 June 2020 12: 58 New
    +3
    I think it’s about as the Negroes are now reacting to the death of strangled George Floyd. Someone rallies, and the rest rob shops. They will appeal to the Russian Federation.
  6. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 1 June 2020 13: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: rocket757
    It’s not clear how relatives will perceive an open linden, bullshit!

    The Western man in the street eats everything, if only the money was paid for the dead. They never bother with truthfulness, the main thing is that there would be a court decision.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 1 June 2020 13: 02 New
      0
      Quote: tihonmarine
      the main thing is that there would be a court decision.

      Maybe so ... I would like to say that we will see, but so far it is not very clear with this.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 1 June 2020 13: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: rocket757
        Maybe so ... I would like to say that we will see, but so far it is not very clear with this.

        I have long since lost faith in "the most humane and fairest" Western court (as well as in the African one).
  7. Piramidon
    Piramidon 1 June 2020 13: 04 New
    +3
    Quote: rocket757
    It’s not clear how relatives will perceive an open linden, bullshit!

    Relatives have long been brainwashed. If they are constantly being poured into their ears - "Russia is to blame," then this postulate is already firmly entrenched in their brains.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 1 June 2020 13: 44 New
      0
      It is useless to read at all races, even at many, but maybe at least someone .....
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 1 June 2020 13: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: rocket757
    Branding, dishonor and condemn, it is clear. It’s not clear how relatives will perceive an open linden, bullshit!

    The shooters were ALWAYS not refrained in their language. He simply does not understand the measure of responsibility for his words, since he has become public ... True, only a Dutch court can attach "moral responsibility" to the case ...
    Everything was clear to the court within 15 seconds after the liner fell to the ground. All this investigation is farce ...
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 1 June 2020 13: 41 New
      +6
      Court in the case of MH17: the prosecutor's office of the Netherlands is going to attach the statements of Igor Strelkov to the case

      Well, there and attach THERE IS NOTHING.

      "The Dutch prosecutor's office", of course you can understand yes .

      Puffing so much time, trying to create at least SOMETHING of NOTHING, "adjusting the problem" to the given answer, and suddenly ... an interview fellow Strelkova himself (in their opinion, suspect No. 1).

      But, firstly - the interview, this is just an interview, not a testimony at the interrogation in the prosecutor’s office or in court, and therefore DOES NOT CHANGE No. .

      And secondly, I repeat, the interview does not contain anything "sensational" or "incriminating", except for the well-reasoned statement of I.I. Strelkov that the militia has nothing to do with the death of Boeing ...
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 1 June 2020 13: 47 New
      +4
      In general, he did not say anything incriminating in an interview ... but the temperature in their "chicken coops" has gone off scale for a long time ... there you will not find sound reasoning with fire during the day.
  • Sergey39
    Sergey39 1 June 2020 11: 14 New
    +4
    Strelkov’s statements (if desired) can be attached to both the prosecution and the acquittal. Everything will depend on intentions.
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 1 June 2020 11: 24 New
      +6
      Quote: Sergey39
      Strelkov’s statements (if desired) can be attached to both the prosecution and the acquittal. Everything will depend on intentions.

      Everything will depend on the lawyer / prosecutor (underline the necessary, delete the excess). hi
      1. gurzuf
        gurzuf 1 June 2020 13: 00 New
        +3
        Everything will depend, as in Ukraine, on political expediency.
        1. Sergey39
          Sergey39 1 June 2020 14: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: gurzuf
          Everything will depend, as in Ukraine, on political expediency.

          Therefore, they have been pulling for so many years. They are waiting on whose side the ripened fruit is dropped.
      2. cniza
        cniza 1 June 2020 13: 05 New
        +1
        There, unfortunately, they decide the money ...
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 1 June 2020 13: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: Sergey39
      Strelkov’s statements (if desired) can be attached to both the prosecution and the acquittal. Everything will depend on intentions.


      Little life hack for the Netherlands prosecutor's office - to print out their materials immediately in pipiphax rolls yes .

      At least some good ...
    3. Romey
      Romey 1 June 2020 16: 35 New
      +4
      From a purely procedural point of view, the statements of II. Strelkova do not have legal force, because can not be considered evidence. In general, if you follow this logic, for a start it would be nice to find out how the liner ended up in the zone of active databases ...
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 1 June 2020 17: 18 New
        +4
        Quote: romey
        if you follow the logic, for a start it would be nice to find out how the liner ended up in the zone of active databases ...

        But with this, just clearer than clear yes .
        Ukraine did not close the airspace in the database zone due to banal greed, continuing to cut coupons from the airways ...

        But this, the Dutch court, does not care at all. It’s not the outskirts that are judged, but Russia ...
        1. Romey
          Romey 1 June 2020 17: 24 New
          +3
          Well, I’m talking about the same ... But wasn’t there any other intention besides greed? If we follow the logic further, it turns out that the disaster was absolutely not needed either by the Russian Federation, or even the militia. But, de facto, it turned out that Kiev and those who are behind it really need it ...
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 1 June 2020 17: 27 New
            +2
            Quote: romey
            Was there other intentions besides greed?

            There was yes In that part, that scoundrel officials and politicians, obviously several, unfriendly RF states took advantage of the greed of bastard officials from aviation ...
  • kriten
    kriten 1 June 2020 11: 14 New
    +4
    What evidence? Who needs them? Fake is enough, otherwise you’ll run into the initiator of the murder of Dutch citizens - the CIA ...
  • Slavs
    Slavs 1 June 2020 11: 15 New
    +7
    As soon as Strelkov’s words on the recognition of moral guilt appeared on the network, there was no doubt that everyone who needed and didn’t need to cling to words didn’t ...
    Very convenient.
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 1 June 2020 11: 48 New
      +4
      Even the presence of sincere confession does not cancel the conduct of investigative actions and the collection of evidence. On one sincere confession, the courts do not win, but lose.
      And here is just a double-interpreted phrase.
      1. cniza
        cniza 1 June 2020 13: 04 New
        +5
        But will it be a court, it will be a performance, although it will take a very long time to wait and we will see how they will conduct everything.
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    1. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 1 June 2020 11: 37 New
      +5
      Didn't Ukraine have missiles for beech? Why would they deliver?
    2. Break through
      Break through 1 June 2020 11: 39 New
      +1
      So the Ukrainian rocket. There are even documents. That is, Ukraine must be judged.
    3. Pereira
      Pereira 1 June 2020 11: 48 New
      +5
      Some Germans were hanged after the Nuremberg Tribunal only for fomenting war.


      A considerable number of forest brothers were also hanged. True, the Germans are for business, and these are business. Have you had any relatives among them?
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        1. Igoresha
          Igoresha 1 June 2020 13: 05 New
          +1
          Germans regret what they did, a Russian net.
          all claims to the Latvian revolutionary arrows, those that Comrade Lenin was guarded and created revolutionary chaos
        2. andranick
          andranick 1 June 2020 13: 09 New
          +8
          my grandfather was sent to Siberia ... he was just farmer.

          FARMER ??? This is when families sent to Siberia FARMERS ???
          Scorching to the fullest.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 1 June 2020 14: 06 New
            +3
            Quote: andranick
            FARMER ??? This is when families sent to Siberia FARMERS ???


            Do not know belay ? According to the exchange program with the USA yes
            They sent farmers from Kansas to Siberia lol
            1. andranick
              andranick 1 June 2020 14: 11 New
              +1
              Ah, there it is! laughing
        3. Non liberoid Russian
          Non liberoid Russian 1 June 2020 13: 39 New
          +6
          if my grandmother had horseradish, she would be a grandfather. it’s clear to you, the daughter of a farmer, in whom everything is not so clear in a lie
        4. Pereira
          Pereira 1 June 2020 13: 58 New
          +2
          Yes, history has put everything in its place. The secret has become apparent.
          We will never forget which side your ancestors fought on. We will never forget what the Balts and Germans did in our country. It is high time for the Baltic states to be recognized as a defeated party in WWII along with the Nazis and to seek reparations as from Germany. With interest, of course.
          And tell about your kind, innocent grandfather at your place on May 8, interspersed with a story with groans - "We will never fight with Russia again." Otherwise, we will repeat. And then Siberia will seem like salvation.
        5. Insurgent
          Insurgent 1 June 2020 14: 04 New
          +4
          Quote: Vitauts
          My grandmother told me how the corpses of the forest brothers who were shot were thrown into the market and were not allowed to bury.


          Scary crying ... At least in the 90s, when they finally received the coveted "independence", were the corpses (remains / skeletons?) Removed from the market, buried?

          In general, the source is reliable yes can be trusted unconditionally yes , because it's not "OBS"and your grandmother ...
    4. kit88
      kit88 1 June 2020 12: 04 New
      13
      Quote: Vitauts
      I do not think that BUK missiles could have been delivered to Ukraine without the permission of Shoigu and Putin. They should be judged in the first place.

      Do you have a quencher?
      For your reference, in order to "judge" the people you mentioned, you must firstly declare war on Russia, and secondly, win this war. If "first" you can foolishly do, then "second" is not feasible in principle.
      1. Vitauts
        Vitauts 1 June 2020 13: 02 New
        -11
        thanks to this philosophy you live like cattle.
        Maybe that's why no one respects you?
        1. kit88
          kit88 1 June 2020 13: 31 New
          15
          Well, dear, I voiced an undeniable truth. And you somehow immediately fell into insults. Okay. I didn’t start it.
          I will tell you that we live our minds and in our independent state. We live not as “cattle”, but as quite normal people. And no one can dictate how we live.
          What about you? N-nda. Then Peter and I won your territory with Karl in preference, or they did your revolution in Petrograd, or they helped Hitler. Now you have been given the opportunity to stick to Western civilization (created not by you, but by other peoples). The West will lose interest in you - once again, it will bet and lose. What if he loses the cannibals from the islands of distant hot Africa?
          In short, no one puts anything at all. And remember, you are not part of the West, you are nobody.
          Well, and who lives here like cattle? And whom "no one respects"?
          1. Vitauts
            Vitauts 1 June 2020 13: 43 New
            -8
            The collapse of the USSR has taken you crazy. Look at Norway, a country in which, like in Russia, there is oil. How people live in Norway and how in Russia.
            Maybe kissing the feet of Tsar Putin is what makes you happy. If so, then good luck.
            1. strannik1985
              strannik1985 1 June 2020 13: 59 New
              +6
              The collapse of the USSR has taken you crazy.
              Look at Norway

              Norway, producing per capita oil 4,3 times more than Russia, looks at you with surprise, Saudi Arabia producing 5,2 times more - similarly.
            2. kit88
              kit88 1 June 2020 13: 59 New
              12
              Dear, there is oil in Norway, in Switzerland - cheese and cans. So what? Russia is not Norway or Liechtenstein, which can become small-small, so that they would not be heard and not visible.
              Russia is a player on the world stage.
              And not a fool, "as in the old Polish preference."
              And Putin, that Putin. We’ll sort it out ourselves, this is purely our business.
            3. ANB
              ANB 2 June 2020 00: 40 New
              0
              . The collapse of the USSR has taken you crazy. Look at Norway, a country in which, like in Russia, there is oil. How people live in Norway and how in Russia.

              I personally live better in Russia than Norwegians in Norway.
              And what does Norway and the Baltic have to do with it?
          2. Vitauts
            Vitauts 1 June 2020 13: 52 New
            -5
            You rather stupidly interpret the facts of history with the idea of ​​showing that the Russian people are superior to the Latvian? Is that your goal?
            Obviously, you are nothing in person if you need to use this to prove your truth.
            1. kit88
              kit88 1 June 2020 14: 15 New
              14
              Respected. The transition to personality as an argument is a sign of bad education.
              I’m not going to say anything bad about the Latvian people. I had a chance to live for quite a long time even under the USSR, though not with you, but with your northern neighbors. People are like people with their own strengths and weaknesses. Great guys.
              I do not think that you are very different, the pronunciation, as it seemed to me, is sharper.
              But you shouldn't get into the Great Game of Big States. You are a "fool" in it. And no matter how your rulers lick the heels of anyone without hitting, the big guys can always use you as a bargaining chip. Forgive me for being frank.
          3. Boris Afinogenov
            Boris Afinogenov 1 June 2020 14: 14 New
            +3
            By the way, this also applies to mother Russia.

            While growing up. power and business are flirting with the West, then everything seems to be fine. Even the French president says about "Russia - Europe: from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok", but just a little - Russia will be pressurized so that sanctions seem like honey.

            We must understand that for the West we will never be ours. The decline of Russian civilization cannot be allowed.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 1 June 2020 15: 23 New
              -3
              Quote: Boris Afinogenov
              We must understand that for the West we will never be ours. The decline of Russian civilization cannot be allowed.

              We ourselves are closing ourselves off from everyone and looking for an external enemy, blaming all our failures on the USA and the West
        2. Sergey M. Karasev
          Sergey M. Karasev 1 June 2020 14: 40 New
          +7
          Quote: Vitauts
          thanks to this philosophy you live like cattle.
          Maybe that's why no one respects you?

          Here for such statements exactly you no one respects. negative
        3. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 1 June 2020 16: 00 New
          0
          Quote: Vitauts
          thanks to this philosophy you live like cattle.
          Maybe that's why no one respects you?

          If you expand the population of different countries in terms of income, you will see that you are wrong.
          Moreover, after the 1990s, Russia has really changed.
          If you evaluate the behavior of tourists in foreign resorts, Russian tourists are generous enough to consider your words a manifestation of envy, restraint and open rudeness.
          Unfortunately, we have already become accustomed to the idea that Europe has turned into the backyard of civilization ....
    5. Esso
      Esso 1 June 2020 12: 46 New
      +3
      naive, customers, this is the Mi-6 and the CIA. the goal is to blame Russia and the imposition of sanctions. Western propaganda and purchased journalists will do everything. If there was a missile launch and a hit on an airplane, everything would have been published long ago. The question was beech, not an explosive device on board an airplane. Even the Dutch themselves said there were no beeches in the area of ​​the flight of the aircraft.
    6. Igoresha
      Igoresha 1 June 2020 12: 53 New
      +1
      They should be judged in the first place.

      + Poroshenko and every second Maydan’s
    7. cniza
      cniza 1 June 2020 13: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Vitauts
      those who gave orders should be judged first.
      .


      That's right, they will judge, only I'm afraid you will be very surprised ... although what am I talking about, you just work ...
    8. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 1 June 2020 13: 08 New
      +7
      Quote: Vitauts
      I do not think that BUK missiles could have been delivered to Ukraine without the permission of Shoigu and Putin.
      Do not talk utter nonsense. After the collapse of the Soviet Union and the proclamation of independence in 1991, Ukraine inherited one of the most powerful groupings of troops in Europe, equipped with sufficiently modern weapons and military equipment. On August 24, 1991, the following came under the jurisdiction of Ukraine: 14 motorized rifle, 4 tank, 3 artillery divisions and 8 artillery brigades, 4 special forces brigades, 2 airborne brigades, 9 air defense brigades, 7 combat helicopter regiments, three air armies (about 1100 combat aircraft) and a separate air defense army. So Ukraine has got so many different types of weapons, which would be enough to wage a serious war of an offensive nature, and not just shoot down a Boeing. And you are still sweeping your Bandera-pro-Western tales.
  • knn54
    knn54 1 June 2020 11: 26 New
    12
    From the entire FOUR-HOUR interview, the Times journalists "pulled out" ONLY one phrase "Since I commanded the militia and was a participant in the conflict, I feel moral responsibility for the death of these people" and inflated to "heaven". And the Dutch decided to involve in the case. Apparently not from a good life.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 1 June 2020 15: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: knn54
      From the entire FOUR-HOUR interview, the Times journalists "pulled out" ONLY one phrase "Since I commanded the militia and was a participant in the conflict, I feel moral responsibility for the death of these people" and inflated to "heaven". And the Dutch decided to involve in the case. Apparently not from a good life.

      For them, Strelkov made all the raspberries
  • parusnik
    parusnik 1 June 2020 11: 29 New
    +2
    The court decision has already been made ... We are waiting for the next sanctions or even worse ..
  • bober1982
    bober1982 1 June 2020 11: 35 New
    +6
    Mr. Strelkov is excessively talkative and overly arrogant, some megalomania is felt.
    On his page in the social network, all his empty chatter is fully manifested.
    1. Romey
      Romey 1 June 2020 17: 30 New
      0
      Mr. Strelkov, unlike some, a man of action, calls a spade a spade, and he is very far from the megalomania and impudence of his nullified and his camarilla ... In any case, he speaks after the deed, and not to him ...
  • Break through
    Break through 1 June 2020 11: 36 New
    +1
    Fake investigation and fake court
  • Hagen
    Hagen 1 June 2020 11: 38 New
    11
    It's amazing how a person who supposedly has experience in the FSB behaves not quite competently. He should generally refrain from media activities, and even more so from interviews with allegedly Ukrainian journalists. One cannot help but understand that in the current conditions this is tantamount to entering the game with cheaters. And this despite the fact that everyone has long known that the opposite side is cheaters, and the referees are initially sharpened for the game according to their rules. Maybe this is not entirely appropriate, but all the amendments to the constitution, started suddenly in a fire order, precisely in order to fend off a court decision, which will clearly be against us. All other amendments about ecology, medicine and others are just a "cover operation" for the main amendment. This is how I personally see this whole story. The Libyan scenario is being repeated, but in an aggravated and perverted form. International law is dead. Those who are more determined to go to extremes are right today. An example of this is Trump's hitting Eun. And just for the sake of this, it is more profitable for us to leave VVP as president and the main "bulldog" in this ring.
    1. Esso
      Esso 1 June 2020 12: 57 New
      +2
      Dude did not enter the Dokrina of Russia, now he is looking for what to make. If Russia had shot down, it would have already surrendered.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 June 2020 11: 41 New
    +7
    For five years they have been pulling the cat by the tail instead of really conducting an objective investigation and finally calling the culprits, whom they know well - Poroshenko according to the CIA's plan. But Western "cooperative ethics" does not allow. They perfectly understand that the leadership of Ukraine is war criminals, but you cannot step on a Russophobic throat and you cannot kill an anti-Russian howl.
    1. cniza
      cniza 1 June 2020 12: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      They perfectly understand that the Ukrainian leadership is war criminals, but you won’t step on the Russophobian throat and you won’t kill the anti-Russian howl.


      Everyone understands everything, but everyone uses it to their advantage. They will accuse Russia to the last, I really want to believe that the truth will break through ...
  • Masha
    Masha 1 June 2020 11: 46 New
    +5
    And exactly ...
    "Vladimir Ivanovich"

    Not Vladimir Vladimirovich? Not? recourse
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 1 June 2020 12: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Masha
      Not Vladimir Vladimirovich? Not?

      Freudian reservation? wink Masha love
      1. Masha
        Masha 1 June 2020 13: 36 New
        +3
        Freudian reservation?

        Two colleagues-psychologists meet, one asks the other: “Why are you so sad?” He replies: “Can you imagine, today I made a slip of the tongue, right in Freud's way! I wanted to tell my wife - dear, you've oversalted the soup again, but said ... you fool, you ruined my whole life! "
        Pasha, howdy there! love
    2. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 1 June 2020 16: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: Masha
      Not Vladimir Vladimirovich? Not?

      There is an option "Vasily Ivanovich".
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 1 June 2020 11: 49 New
    +3
    And the many years of "honest" "investigation" -samlivanie, and the same "honest" "court" -trial will NEVER recognize the truth and will not name the true organizers and perpetrators of the provocation with the destruction of MH17: the CIA, SBU, Poroshenko, Kolomoisky, Voloshin.
  • Raven 95
    Raven 95 1 June 2020 12: 14 New
    +9
    Why fly over a war zone?
    First of all, it is necessary to judge the one who sent this plane there.
    Here I hope the names are known.
    And whoever clicked on the Start button, we still never know. And no matter how destructive evidence one of the parties cited, the other will never accept them.
    1. begemot20091
      begemot20091 1 June 2020 12: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Raven-95
      And whoever clicked on the Start button, we still never know. And no matter how destructive evidence one of the parties cited, the other will never accept them.

      And what, the calculation of "Buk" or "duty change of the airfield" - how convenient to whom, did you see anything? All the secret becomes apparent.
      1. Raven 95
        Raven 95 1 June 2020 12: 46 New
        +5
        The other side will declare everything fake, propaganda and unacceptable evidence.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 1 June 2020 15: 25 New
          -2
          Quote: Raven-95
          The other side will declare everything fake, propaganda and unacceptable evidence.

          As with "ichtamnet"
  • iouris
    iouris 1 June 2020 12: 19 New
    +1
    Do you recognize this "tribunal"?
  • Moskovit
    Moskovit 1 June 2020 12: 20 New
    +2
    I immediately remembered
  • begemot20091
    begemot20091 1 June 2020 12: 23 New
    +4
    Quote: Vitauts
    Some Germans were hanged after the Nuremberg Tribunal only for fomenting war.

    What are you? And detail? Most of the Nazi criminals hid in the zone of occupation of the "allies" and happily survived to old age, holding high posts and positions in the Federal Republic of Germany, the USA, and Canada. The largest diaspora of Bandera's people is in Canada. He drives to this day.
    1. Vitauts
      Vitauts 1 June 2020 13: 06 New
      -11
      The Chekists who killed civilians and prisoners were not convicted at all.
      1. andranick
        andranick 1 June 2020 13: 11 New
        +7
        Many have not finished off. Thanks to the shortcomings of the Chekists, you have the opportunity to write here.
        1. Vitauts
          Vitauts 1 June 2020 13: 25 New
          -10
          How many civilians, women and children still needed to be killed to make you happy? Just tell me how much ..?
          1. andranick
            andranick 1 June 2020 13: 42 New
            +6
            Quote: Vitauts
            How many civilians, women and children still needed to be killed

            Are you talking about those who, after the war, killed civilians, teachers, doctors, and collective farmers in Western women? MUCH MORE! Look at how many shortcomings floated in Ukraine.
          2. Non liberoid Russian
            Non liberoid Russian 1 June 2020 13: 45 New
            +5
            enough of you, immediately the stink will become less
          3. ANB
            ANB 2 June 2020 00: 49 New
            +2
            . How many civilians, women and children still needed to be killed to make you happy? Just tell me how much ..?

            Ask the question at the wrong address. The killings of civilians, women and children involved (and are) Bandera, forest brothers and Nazis. Which was just executed by the employees of the NKVD and other authorized departments.
      2. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 1 June 2020 16: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Vitauts
        The Chekists who killed civilians and prisoners were not convicted at all.

        I don’t know who you are about now ... but I guess.
        And here is a real fact, to which I was a witness a long time ago.
        In the USSR, they did not like to serve in the internal troops.

        Once I had a chance to talk with one of the former wevashniks.
        Unfortunately, this person has already been found, otherwise I would have written an article for a full-fledged publication.
        He told how at the end of the war they saved the Balts after the defeat of the Germans.
        The fact is that retreating and leaving the base in 1941, ours sometimes could not take out their wounded, and left them to the local population ...
        And when the Red Army went to the West, the comrades of the wounded who were left tried to find their comrades ...
        It turned out that almost all the wounded were immediately surrendered to the Nazis to be torn to pieces.
        ... The NKVD forces had to prevent lynching over fascist henchmen and just cowards. The scale of the phenomenon can not really appreciate. But that such was, I am sure.
        You would put a monument to these Chekists!
  • Junior Private
    Junior Private 1 June 2020 12: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: Hagen
    International law has died.

    Did you just notice? It was previously very conditional and one-sided.
  • andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 1 June 2020 12: 48 New
    +1
    I believe that Israel is to blame. It was he who substituted Boeing for air defense missiles.
    1. cniza
      cniza 1 June 2020 12: 53 New
      +1
      What are you talking about?
  • svp67
    svp67 1 June 2020 12: 52 New
    +3
    Meanwhile, an official representative of the Netherlands prosecutor's office, Brechtier van de Mosdeyk, announced that she could attach Igor Girkin's statements to the case.
    A complete profanation, how can an unidentified person's testimony be duly attached to the case? The Dutch prosecutor's office to show miracles in "pulling an owl on a stump" ...
  • cniza
    cniza 1 June 2020 12: 52 New
    +3
    Over the years, the investigation team has not succeeded in succeeding in anything other than politicized statements, otherwise more real evidence and new defendants would inevitably have appeared in the case.


    As long as the West has no desire for them to appear and it seems there will never be one.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 1 June 2020 13: 06 New
    0
    These calm down only when they completely absorb the sea .....
  • Andrey the Magnificent
    Andrey the Magnificent 1 June 2020 13: 43 New
    -1
    There will be no court, but a court !!! am
  • Tooks
    Tooks 1 June 2020 13: 44 New
    0
    In fact, everything is simple. Who launched the rocket does not matter. The main thing in the other is who admitted that the civilian aircraft was in the combat zone. But this is not of interest in this political situation.
    1. Svlad
      Svlad 1 June 2020 14: 09 New
      -5
      It’s unpleasant to admit, but we shot down. Things happen. It was the 19th aircraft shot down by LDNR. Ukrainians are no side here. Only innocent people are sorry. Morons can start to put cons
      1. Junior Private
        Junior Private 1 June 2020 14: 50 New
        +2
        "Who are "we? Please introduce yourself.
      2. boris epstein
        boris epstein 1 June 2020 15: 05 New
        +2
        Before speaking, it would be nice to watch the doc film "The Truth About the MH17 Disaster. A Sensational Investigation by an SBU Officer." SBU Colonel Vasily Prozorov conducted this investigation while still in the SBU. Then he went over to the side of the DPR and ended up in Moscow WITH ALL the documents about the investigation.
        1. Avior
          Avior 1 June 2020 15: 55 New
          -1
          Interfax, in his words, writes that he didn’t lead and in general he was not allowed to go
          ... According to Prozorov, to all his attempts to find out the circumstances of what happened in conversations with officers of the General Staff and the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, there was almost always an answer: "Do not get involved in this topic if you do not want trouble."

          https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.interfax.ru/amp/655596
      3. ANB
        ANB 2 June 2020 00: 52 New
        +1
        . It’s unpleasant to admit, but we shot down. Things happen.

        "We" is Ukraine? That's right, we must repent. I'll even give you a plus now.
        No, I did not put a plus.
      4. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 2 June 2020 18: 00 New
        0
        It’s unpleasant to admit, but we shot down. Things happen. It was the 19th aircraft shot down by LDNR.

        Not Us, but Hiley Likely Rebels. What brought down does not matter. Everything went astray and shot, all that was accessible, which threatened the life of the rebels. If Jewelin blows up a bus with civilians, is America to blame?
        The reason for the incident was the permission to fly in the war zone, where planes had previously been shot down in bundles. Lawyers must promote lawsuits against Ukraine if they want to make good money.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 1 June 2020 14: 17 New
    +1
    The accusation is made, the perpetrators are appointed, and evidence in the political game is not so important
  • thinker
    thinker 1 June 2020 14: 38 New
    +3
    Quote: Insurgent
    Well, there and attach something, NOTHING ..

    But what about the 9M38 SAM fragment No. 8868720, sent on December 29, 1986 to military unit 20152. Can it not be attached? request
  • Junior Private
    Junior Private 1 June 2020 14: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: Raven-95
    Why fly over a war zone?
    First of all, it is necessary to judge the one who sent this plane there.

    Yes. This is a direct violation of the requirements of ICAO, which are binding on civil aviation. It is interesting that the court will answer this.
  • Operator
    Operator 1 June 2020 15: 26 New
    -4
    Girkin was chuckled through Gordon for "recognition of moral responsibility" and "Vladimir Ivanovich", obviously.
  • NF68
    NF68 1 June 2020 15: 33 New
    0
    Let them search on the Internet. They are there such "irrefutable data" can find that will take your breath away.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 1 June 2020 16: 14 New
    +1
    How is it? Who jumped up here screaming, saying that Strelkov "didn't mean it"? Now his slippery remarks will serve to condemn Russia, which is what those who paid for all these interviews demanded of him. That's the story, little kids ...
    1. Romey
      Romey 1 June 2020 18: 36 New
      0
      Well, I jumped ... Jump again. Only to explain that I will not say anything new to Strelkov and all the more so I will not say anything, it is superfluous for the Kremlin bots. In all this ugly Boeing story, you need to dig at the beneficiaries and here everything is more or less clear to us. Personally, I’m more interested in the question of which bad radish man signed the Minsk conspiracy, saved the APU from a disaster and arranged a criminal garbage dump with a taste of blood in the Donbass. Do not offer ukrov, everything is clear with them like twice two, and even demand from the enemy ... That's the story, the little ones ...
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 2 June 2020 08: 46 New
        -1
        And no explanation is required here. The man was paid to give a lead, and he gave it in a disciplined way. "Honest politician" - remains purchased if bought. Maybe when he fought. And now he is selling. Vile.
        Other questions are other questions. Absolutely, completely different. As all honest people know, someone else’s meanness doesn’t justify you. But so honest ...
        1. Romey
          Romey 2 June 2020 10: 50 New
          0
          Is there evidence? No. And will not be. And, as for Strelkov, it’s no wonder at a time when lies, cowardice, hypocrisy became the norm, an honest and principled person seems at least a black sheep, a maximum a traitor. Yes, exposing your comprador’s gang, Strelkov betrayed the beards, the carpentry, the zarcharchenka, the marmot-dudaev, pushin, kozakov, malofeyev and Putin, but he never betrayed Russia. And so you are so enraged, pouring all your poison on the late Brain and the living, God forbid, Strelkov's health, serving you as a living reproach ...
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 2 June 2020 12: 00 New
            0
            Honest and principled ?! Awesome! And what inspired this cherub to make statements that enemies use against Russia? Honesty? Or principle? And if he begins to write in your eyes, will you also say that this is God's dew? Ugh ...
            1. Romey
              Romey 2 June 2020 13: 41 New
              0
              That is, the Putinists recognize this court, if you are so serious? Have you rolled off the coils? Ugh ... What kind of enemies beyond the hill can we talk about at all, if the president, government and all power in their entirety work for us? For Russia you’re enemies worse than foreign ones, though they don’t hide it, you’re hypocrites, dress up as patriots ...
  • vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 1 June 2020 16: 35 New
    -3
    Quote: cniza
    This is so, but in our time it is very difficult to hide the truth.

    Who needs the truth, after a couple of years. The main thing is to fart TODAY so that the ears of the entire "democratic world community" are completely blocked.

    The truth can be constructed, as is done today with accusations of Russia - the USSR in inciting war together with Hitler. And then everyone chooses a "candy" to taste. Even. if it's gotten out of the toilet.
  • Aag
    Aag 1 June 2020 17: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: bober1982
    Mr. Strelkov is excessively talkative and overly arrogant, some megalomania is felt.
    On his page in the social network, all his empty chatter is fully manifested.

    Maybe I didn’t understand something, but in an interview
    Strelkova did not hear anything to the curtain that could indicate the guilt of the militia, of Russia. Well, except that one of those letters can, if desired, add another text.
  • impostor
    impostor 1 June 2020 18: 42 New
    -1
    Minuuuuuyutochka, Monsieur Brechtieu! Put the kosyachok ashes in the ashes and listen. The shooter, in the best traditions of humanism, admitted his MORAL responsibility for what happened (in what is expressed - I don’t know, maybe I didn’t give a timely order to conduct the Kiev offensive operation), he did not recognize the involvement of militias and regular ones. Do you understand the difference between a criminal and an immoral? For violating the code of ethics, it seems like they could arrange a drag at the party’s meeting. But! My dear, as far as we know, Strelok has no party card with the logo of a white compass on a dark blue background? Does the haze of cannabis come through the clubs?
  • begemot20091
    begemot20091 1 June 2020 20: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: Vitauts
    The Chekists who killed civilians and prisoners were not convicted at all.

    it is a pity that many were amnestied. I saw such sharovarniki in Narym and Vasyugan ... They were afraid to return home .. And how many Latvian riflemen were "overwhelmed" and what the democratic white Czechs did - it is necessary to water their graves with bleach. what are you silent about the prisoners of the Red Army in Poland? ask how many Germans were massacred and expelled after the liberation of Poland. pull out the language ... in general, learn the materiel.
  • ANB
    ANB 1 June 2020 22: 45 New
    0
    Quote: Valery Valery
    Quote: rocket757
    how relatives will perceive an open linden, garbage!

    It seems to them (relatives) whoever shot down the plane anyway, now it’s more important who pays. There is nothing to be done - European values ​​rule .....

    Ukraine has no money, Russia has money. So who is to blame?
  • sleeve
    sleeve 2 June 2020 02: 41 New
    -1
    No, well, really. Robbery on the stream set. An incomprehensible court decision will be (in form, in content understandable). On its basis, compensation of millions of 500 and the seizure of property of the Russian Federation. Gopnik real. Show with Pont-Otem. And what to do? The property behind the hill is like a flea dog. Plus, stupidly gas or oil can be arrested in a pipe in any non-paid agreement. Gazprom, Sberbank, Rosneft. It may well advertise for this canoe on the basis of state participation. And what do we do? Pay and pay? Khokhlam, these dwellers, amers ... What to do then?
  • vetta
    vetta 2 June 2020 15: 29 New
    0
    I wonder what Girkin feels, moral responsibility,? The answer begs one
  • begemot20091
    begemot20091 6 June 2020 16: 08 New
    0
    Quote: Vitauts
    The Chekists who killed civilians and prisoners were not convicted at all.

    Berry, Yezhov, Beria, Pliner - convicted, shot, BERMAN M.D. - convicted, shot, Zibrak E.K. -convicted by shots, Lurie A.E.-convicted by rastryan, Schneerson M.Ya.- convicted, shot, SUMBATOV (TOPURIDZE) YUVELYAN DAVIDOVICH -convicted, died in a psychiatric hospital, Shapiro I.I.- convicted, rastrelan, MILSTEYN SOLOLON Rastrelyan was convicted, VLODZIMIR LEV EMELYANOVICH- was convicted, rastrel, LEI IOSIFOVICH REYHMAN- was convicted, shot, VLADIMIR GEORGIEVICH DEKANOZOV, V.N. Merkulov - condemned, shot ... how many more examples on your nonsense - these are just a few high-ranking executives wrote, and even then not all
  • begemot20091
    begemot20091 6 June 2020 16: 11 New
    0
    Quote: ANB
    Ukraine has no money, Russia has money. So who is to blame?

    So bloomers all life with an outstretched hand. Who is to blame that there is no lard in the head. It’s pulled by a rocket in Kiev, then by plane. Like monkeys with a grenade.
  • begemot20091
    begemot20091 6 June 2020 16: 16 New
    0
    Quote: Vitauts
    The Chekists who killed civilians and prisoners were not convicted at all.

    http://old.memo.ru/history/nkvd/kto/centr.htm
    Here the fate of the leaders - teach the materiel, And punish the children so that the lessons of history are not missed. Yes, teach them to read good books.