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Ruger PC update for police carbines presented in US: human rights defenders criticize

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Against the background of protests in major US cities, the production of a new package was announced, which should allow "to increase the usability of the Ruger PC carbine." This carabiner is used by the police of the United States, which, in fact, says the decoding of its name: Ruger Police Carbine.


It is noteworthy that the production of Ruger PC self-loading carbines for police structures was interrupted in 2006 for more than 10 years. Then the production line was put into operation again - in 2017. It was officially announced that in police units “there was a lack of effective weapons of such a type".

The Ruger PC is a modular weapon. The ammunition supply is most often represented by cartridges of 9 × 19 mm Parabellum caliber. A 10x22mm (.40 S&W) Smith & Wesson cartridge can also be used.

Ruger PC update for police carbines presented in US: human rights defenders criticize


With the update, it was decided to improve the ergonomics and functionality of the semi-automatic Ruger PC. In the new package - the so-called reinforced-polymer chassis Upriser, which allows you to equip the rifle with a magazine of a larger capacity (ordinary shops for the Ruger PC - for 10 and 15 rounds depending on the caliber). At the same time, the design itself allows the magazine to be used as a pistol grip.

The very nest (“well”) for installing the updated store is removable.




Therefore, the policeman can decide which option to use for a store with a larger capacity or for a regular 10-15 cartridge variant.



The handles, as noted, are made using anti-slip honeycomb structure.

The barrel of the carbine is placed in a special reinforced casing, which prevents a possible burn if the weapon is held by the hand directly beyond the barrel location area.



The new package uses a laser aiming system.

Messages themselves from American gunsmiths that they are improving the carbine for police officers (against the background of the famous incident in Minneapolis and the ensuing protests and riots) have already been criticized by human rights activists. Additional criticism was voiced in connection with equipping a carbine for a police laser target designator.

At the moment, there is no information about how many such “body kits” were ordered by the American law enforcement agencies.
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  1. Kalmar
    Kalmar 1 June 2020 08: 46
    +6
    I wonder why human rights activists got excited? Similar PCCs are far less lethal than traditional shotguns.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 1 June 2020 09: 05
      +1
      Amid protests in major US cities, a new package has been announced to "improve the usability of the Ruger PC."

      Instead of thinking about what factors made such mass demonstrations possible, they put out the protests with gasoline, and move the beds in a well-known institution, developing a "miracle body kit" ...

      You are on the right track, gentlemen, imperialists! yes

      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 1 June 2020 09: 08
        +5
        Quote: Insurgent
        Instead of thinking about what factors made such mass protests possible, protests are stifled with gasoline

        I do not think that one is connected with the other. Ruger just sells a new body kit, which does not particularly affect the properties of weapons (well, perhaps on ergonomics), and some human rights organizations are trying to promote this topic.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 1 June 2020 09: 10
          -2
          Quote: Kalmar

          I do not think that one is connected with the other.


          About this, the incentive motive of such modernizations, another is my comment. For you to quote it:

          Quote: Insurgent
          Arms corporations catch fish in troubled waters ...
          1. Kalmar
            Kalmar 1 June 2020 09: 12
            +5
            What does it have to do with it? This is just a kit. Such gadgets are made without a license and are sold even on AliExpress (at least for popular brands of weapons like AK, AR-15 and Glock).
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 1 June 2020 09: 17
              -6
              Quote: Kalmar
              What does it have to do with it? This is just a kit.

              "Body kit" yes whose supplies for police weapons are planned ("on the sly"?) just at the peak of the protest actions. And it seems that these deliveries promise not to be small.

              Isn't it time for gunsmiths to "cut the loot"?
              1. Kalmar
                Kalmar 1 June 2020 09: 26
                +5
                Quote: Insurgent
                which supplies for police weapons are planned ("on the sly"?) just at the peak of the protests

                So what? Deliveries of all sorts of things to the police are constantly going on, whether there is a protest mood somewhere or not. You would have accused donut suppliers of "fishing in troubled waters"))
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 1 June 2020 09: 31
                  -7
                  Quote: Kalmar
                  You would have accused donut suppliers of "fishing in troubled waters"))


                  Don't pull already on the hedgehog.

                  In my comments, I rely solely on news material:

                  Against the backdrop of protests in major US cities, the production of a new package was announcedwhich should "improve the usability of the Ruger PC
                  1. Kalmar
                    Kalmar 1 June 2020 09: 34
                    +5
                    Quote: Insurgent
                    Do not pull the hedgehog ...

                    In my opinion, this is what you are doing. Or you just don’t understand what a body kit is and how it affects the characteristics of weapons. Or you have exclusive evidence that the new carbines go straight to Minneapolis (then at least something can be said).

                    Quote: Insurgent
                    In my comments, I rely solely on news material
                    Against the backdrop of protests in major US cities, the production of a new package was announced


                    The presence of a causal relationship does not follow from these materials. It's like saying: "Against the backdrop of protests in major US cities, plans have been announced to resume nuclear tests" (https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2020/05/31/13102309.shtml). Does it follow from this that the protesters will be ironed with a peaceful atom? ))
                    1. Insurgent
                      Insurgent 1 June 2020 09: 40
                      -8
                      Quote: Kalmar
                      In my opinion, this is what you are doing. Or you just don’t understand what a body kit is and how it affects the characteristics of weapons.

                      Actually, I did not write that the "body kit" somehow affects the characteristics of the weapon, but on the fact of supplies, and trying to make money right now, YES, I deliberately drew attention yes .

                      Quote: Kalmar
                      Or you have exclusive evidence that new carbines go straight to Minneapolis


                      Riots covered: New York, Los Angeles, Cleveland and Philadelphia and Minneapolis .

                      Perhaps these are not all US hot spots that I know of.
                      1. Kalmar
                        Kalmar 1 June 2020 09: 41
                        +5
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        but on the fact of deliveries, and the attempt to make money right now, YES, intentionally drew attention

                        Want to reveal a secret? Any commercial company is trying to make money at EVERY moment. Even now. And than. And after "then". It doesn't matter who and where is protesting at the same time.
              2. kulinar
                kulinar 1 June 2020 13: 24
                0
                In fact, any stray for weapons is not developed in one day.
                And the fact that the supplies coincided with the riots is just an accident.
                Gunsmiths, like any business, want to make money.
    2. vkl.47
      vkl.47 1 June 2020 09: 40
      -1
      Now it’s more convenient to wet Black.
  2. BARKAS
    BARKAS 1 June 2020 08: 46
    -1
    Such a body kit and a muzzle brake for intimidation and Hollywood?
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 1 June 2020 09: 07
      -3
      Quote: BARKAS
      Such a body kit and a muzzle brake for intimidation and Hollywood?

      Arms corporations catch fish in troubled waters ...
    2. Kalmar
      Kalmar 1 June 2020 09: 10
      +4
      Quote: BARKAS
      Such a body kit and a muzzle brake for intimidation and Hollywood?

      The muzzle is like a muzzle, they put similar ones on the sports "Saigi-9". Forend of this kind is now also in vogue: you cannot burn your fingers, all sorts of additional conveniences can be screwed on without problems.
      1. BARKAS
        BARKAS 1 June 2020 09: 15
        +1
        There is a pistol cartridge and does not shoot in bursts; they would have removed the butt and made a holster.
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 1 June 2020 09: 22
          +4
          Quote: BARKAS
          There is a pistol cartridge and does not shoot in bursts

          Most for the police. Shoots more accurately than a pistol, has a small penetrating ability (relevant when shooting in American cardboard houses); It is not necessary to beat ordinary policemen in queues: for such purposes, there are all sorts of SWATs.
          1. hhurik
            hhurik 1 June 2020 22: 49
            0
            Generally completely unnecessary crap. In this size, it’s easier to carry a shortcut in the car under a full-fledged intermediate cartridge, but this product isn’t a candle or a damn poker. If you really wanted to use a low-powered bullet-gun for pistol ammunition (well, there’s politics, fashion, etc. nonsense) - there is a lot of compact PPs, you won’t get there, so at least you can frighten the enemy with fire.
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 1 June 2020 22: 57
              -3
              Quote: hhurik
              In this size, it’s easier to carry a shortcut in the car under a full intermediate cartridge

              Let me remind you: we are talking about police weapons. Its scope is densely populated areas with a bunch of civilians around. The intermediate cartridge is fraught with excessive bullet penetration and its tendency to ricochets. Well, and how exactly it is "easier" to transport it is somehow unclear.

              Quote: hhurik
              If it really desires to use a low-powered bullet-gun under a pistol munition

              "Low-power bullet" has about 650 acorns of muzzle energy, which is quite enough at short ranges (up to 50 meters). And this is with incomparably greater accuracy than in the case of a pistol (especially when shooting offhand). For policeman this weapon is quite enough.
              1. hhurik
                hhurik 1 June 2020 23: 09
                +1
                This is all worthless theoretical reasoning, especially ridiculous for employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation serving in the North Caucasus Federal District wink The weapons of law enforcement should always be more powerful than potential opponents, such is the dangers - for few heroes die due to couch specialists. And as for civilians - do not worry, the Treasury will pay for the damage if it is suddenly needed.
                Actually, a full-fledged assault or shortening in the US police car is more likely the norm, and not an exception. Here is the first video that came across
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cMOm_RrMFM
                1. Kalmar
                  Kalmar 1 June 2020 23: 23
                  -3
                  Quote: hhurik
                  This is all worthless theoretical reasoning, especially ridiculous for employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation serving in the North Caucasus Federal District. Law enforcement weapons must always be more powerful than potential adversaries

                  It is clear that regional features must also be taken into account, as well as the nature of potential threats along with the likelihood of their occurrence. For example, in the calmer regions of the Russian Federation, the need for ordinary policemen in automatic rifles looks doubtful. The same can be said about the police in many European countries.

                  Well and yes, a pistol cartridge is not always 9x19: if necessary, you can pick up something thicker and more powerful.

                  Quote: hhurik
                  And as for civilians - do not worry, the Treasury will pay for the damage if it is suddenly needed.

                  Immediately artillery strike, what a trifle. Or, nevertheless, to take weapons that are not inferior in effectiveness at working distances, but at the same time are safer for third parties. Actually, therefore, even in the USA, all kinds of software (like MP-5) are quite respected by both the simple police and the more severe law enforcement agencies.
                  1. hhurik
                    hhurik 1 June 2020 23: 46
                    0
                    Life will stop - and "Tochka" will mock, as in Shali in front of the building of the commandant's office, where the Yakut militiamen dragged their service. As many as 82 offenders rushed to Allah at once. fellow
                    What do you want to convey, I don’t understand? The available weapons in the law enforcement agencies of the Russian Federation are quite enough to solve the assigned tasks. Any perversions like using a million calibers of pistils and under-automatic machines are relevant in all sorts of games; will get it or not "the enemy.
                    A pistol carbine is a purely entertainment weapon, nothing more, especially in such a "tactical" body kit. Toy for office plankton.
                    For a joke, I even came across a video of the aunt of the policeman - and again the assault in the car was at hand, trouble is sadness.
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ejqfmUqM60
                    1. Kalmar
                      Kalmar 2 June 2020 09: 50
                      -3
                      Quote: hhurik
                      Life will snag - and "Tochka" mock

                      Do you really understand the difference between the ordinary police and the BB / RG / army?

                      Quote: hhurik
                      What do you want to convey, I don’t understand?

                      Exactly what he said: a carbine under a pistol cartridge is quite a weapon for the police. Ordinary police, and not any paramilitary forces that you are trying hard to screw.

                      Quote: hhurik
                      Available weapons in the law enforcement bodies of the Russian Federation is quite enough to solve the tasks

                      Yes, I kind of do not insist. I note that they obviously didn’t listen to you: they are slowly changing their cool assault AKSUs to the boggy PP-2000 (consider the same PCC, it can only be bursts).

                      Quote: hhurik
                      in life, the logistics of the supply of ammunition in any part of the country, including from the warehouses of subcontractors, is important and the question "will the enemy get it or not?"

                      Police weapons are peacetime weapons when there are no special problems with logistics. Better that for 9x19 pistols you still need to carry it. Now our Ministry of Internal Affairs has a whole bunch of different ammunition in use: 9x18, 9x19, 9x39, 5.45x39. It seems that AKMS at 7.62 flashes at times. And nothing, they manage somehow.

                      As for the distance, he already said: the battle at ranges of 200-300 meters or more is already beyond the responsibility of the police. Here, more serious units come into play with other weapons.

                      Quote: hhurik
                      For a joke, I even came across a police aunt's video - and again the assault in the car was at hand

                      So what? Throw in response vidos with Hindu policemen who generally manage with sticks? Or English constables, which even pistols don’t always give? Not indicative.
  3. Bykov.
    Bykov. 1 June 2020 09: 04
    +2
    Pralno, tea does not live in the Middle Ages! it’s not the case in our century, knee pressure on the neck .... when you can just shoot.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 1 June 2020 09: 08
      +3
      Quote: Bulls.
      Pralno, tea does not live in the Middle Ages! it’s not the case in our century, knee pressure on the neck .... when you can just shoot.

      And the holes, daughter Schaub was neat yes
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 1 June 2020 09: 11
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent
        And the holes, daughter Schaub was neat yes

        Most certainly!
        Indeed, in democracy this is the most important thing.
        1. Evdokim
          Evdokim 1 June 2020 09: 27
          +2
          Quote: Bulls.
          Pralno, tea does not live in the Middle Ages! it’s not the case in our century, knee pressure on the neck .... when you can just shoot.

          Quote: Bulls.
          And the holes, daughter Schaub was neat

          So that it was convenient, and not to spend extra ammunition. Ergonomic, economical and cost effective.
          Quote: Bulls.
          Indeed, in democracy this is the most important thing.
          good
  4. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 1 June 2020 09: 47
    -1
    Here just now (May 10, it seems) there was a seething about improving ergonomics and the presence of Picatinny rails in the AK 200 for the Russian Guard. Type: "Demonstrations are going to disperse!"
    Interestingly, the same racers will come here with their only true opinion?
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 1 June 2020 10: 45
      0
      Basil hi
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      Interestingly, the same racers will come here with their only true opinion?

      Aren't they already here? yes
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 1 June 2020 11: 05
        -2
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Aren't they already here?

        Like those pioneers: "Always ready!"
        But for now, it seems, they are digesting the all-American schucher and the triumph of Mask, and therefore the name is not too widely represented here.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 1 June 2020 11: 09
          -1
          Quote: Vasyan1971
          Like those peonies

          In the series "Fizruk" Nagiyev said well:
          "PionEry - go to the dupa (I replaced the word, as you understand wink ) ".
          Let them try.
          "Two pioneers were looking for an old woman. But they did not find it - they served each other!" drinks
  5. Operator
    Operator 1 June 2020 09: 56
    -2
    Are human rights activists Navalny, Yashin and Co.? laughing
  6. Free wind
    Free wind 1 June 2020 12: 25
    0
    You can also use a drum-type magazine, like on PPSh, about 60 rounds of ammunition. And then a normal submachine gun.
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 1 June 2020 14: 15
      -1
      It would be more correct to call this unit a carbine, perhaps: it does not know how to auto-fire, only single ones. And the stores, according to the manufacturer, are suitable from Glock. So you can use these "eggs":
  7. KSVK
    KSVK 1 June 2020 13: 03
    +2
    The very nest (“well”) for installing the updated store is removable.






    Therefore, the policeman can decide which option to use for a store with a larger capacity or for a regular 10-15 cartridge variant.






    If you look closely, you can see that the window for the store is the same. And no matter which store to shove there. A funnel-type "expander" serves for the magazine to quickly hit the window. Well, the paws are shaking there or you insert them by touch. And this funnel has nothing to do with the capacity of the store.
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 1 June 2020 14: 17
      -1
      Quote: KSVK
      And this funnel has nothing to do with the capacity of the store.

      The funnel may interfere with sticking in too short magazines. You need to watch how her and the store’s sizes are related.
  8. KSVK
    KSVK 1 June 2020 13: 05
    0
    Quote: Insurgent
    Quote: Bulls.
    Pralno, tea does not live in the Middle Ages! it’s not the case in our century, knee pressure on the neck .... when you can just shoot.

    And the holes, daughter Schaub was neat yes

    I am afraid with such a barrel length and the favorite "glazers" in the 9x19 cartridge, you can forget about "neat holes". wink
  9. KSVK
    KSVK 1 June 2020 14: 27
    0
    Quote: Kalmar

    The funnel may interfere with sticking in too short magazines. You need to watch how her and the store’s sizes are related.

    Well, if you look at the pistol grip, it is decently longer than the store’s shaft, even with a funnel. A store less capacity than a pistol in a carbine is unlikely.
  10. KSVK
    KSVK 1 June 2020 14: 28
    0
    Quote: Kalmar
    he doesn’t know how to race, only solitary.

    Glock is quite capable of queues.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idHpBFLmRis
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 1 June 2020 14: 56
      -1
      Some modifications - yes, but the sabzhevich carbine - only single though.
  11. Clone
    Clone 1 June 2020 14: 30
    0
    The controls are rather flimsy ... I suppose you can hook-bend-break off not only when the product falls. Well, all these holey casings ... fashionable, of course, but not practical.
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 1 June 2020 14: 58
      -2
      Quote: Clone
      to hook-bend-break off not only when the product falls

      This is not an army weapon; no one plans to crawl along with the trenches with it. Outwardly, it looks more like a product for sports practitioners.

      Quote: Clone
      Well, all these holey casings ... fashionable, of course, but not practical.

      It is quite practical: you can fasten additional equipment to any place on the forend: handles, lights, LOC, etc., which is enough for fantasy.
      1. Clone
        Clone 3 June 2020 12: 13
        -1
        Quote: Kalmar
        can be fastened anywhere on the forend

        Is airsoft our all? wink
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 3 June 2020 12: 28
          0
          Quote: Clone
          Is airsoft our all?

          What does it have to do with it? Security officials do not disdain attachments either, but here it can be safely installed without using electrical tape and nails-weaving. Not to say that it's a killer feature, but it's convenient. Even on army weapons (take the same HK416 / M27), the forend is completely in M-Lock and "weavers".

          PS I haven’t played airsoft, I don’t play or plan.