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Snorted All the Way: US Astronauts Tells Crew Dragon to ISS

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Snorted All the Way: US Astronauts Tells Crew Dragon to ISS

Yesterday at 17 p.m. launched from Cape Canaveral on May 16 using the Falcon 30 launch vehicle, the manned spacecraft Crew Dragon successfully docked to the International Space Station, bringing American astronauts Douglas Hurley and Robert Benken on board. Of course, this is primarily the triumph of SpaceX owned by Elon Mask. However, it is also a major victory for the United States, which took a big step in the space race.


The docking was controlled by automation, which performs almost all the functions of the Crew Dragon, for which the presence of a person at his “helm” is not necessary: ​​like any brainchild of Mask, this spacecraft is as “smart” as possible for a machine. Space travelers, who previously flew both on Space Shuttle and on Soyuz, have already shared their impressions of the new technology. According to Doug Hurley, he was counting on a “smoother” flight compared to Space Shuttle using solid-fuel boosters. However, these expectations did not materialize - the separation from the Falcon 9 was "pretty tough", albeit with "acceptable" overloads.



In turn, Robert Benken joked about the fact that Crew Dragon “snorted and puffed all the way into orbit”, which surprised astronauts who “could not understand who was lucky.” But in general, according to astronauts, the flight was "pretty lively", and the "rigidity" was not so great. Before arriving at the final point of the route, they were even able to "relax and sleep." The meeting in orbit was quite successful, and guests, moving to the station, replenished the current crew of the ISS, consisting of Russians Anatoly Ivanishin and Ivan Wagner, as well as US citizen Chris Cassidy.

They will spend approximately one to four months in this company, after which Crew Dragon will have to return its passengers home to Earth. Only then will it be possible to speak with confidence about the successful completion of the current Demo-2 mission, which will mean that the United States again has its own manned ships. Recall that the Demo-1 mission, during which Crew Dragon traveled to the ISS without a crew, went through quite normally.

Most likely, the current flight will also end. What will this mean? First of all, Russia's loss, albeit not of such a long, but absolute monopoly on manned space flights. We will remind, earlier, for 9 years after the termination of the Space Shuttle program, astronauts from the USA were forced to get into orbit exclusively at our Soyuz, paying very impressive amounts (approximately $ 90 million for each).

At Roskosmos, by the way, they have already commented on this moment, and in a very positive way. The official representative of the state corporation Vladimir Ustimenko advised everyone not to make of this tragedy and not to cause “hysteria”.

Now, in order to get into the orbit of the Earth, there is not one transport system, but two, and this is wonderful! ”

He commented on the success of the Americans.

Well, the first successful manned flight of the Crew Dragon, committed not to anywhere but to the Russian ISS, could well become the starting point of the new head of Russian-American cooperation. Perhaps it will. The only thing that is very alarming in this regard is the words of US President Donald Trump, which he said after the successful launch on May 30:

Now we will soon land on Mars, and we will have the greatest weapons imaginable! ”

If the matter develops in this vein, it is unlikely that consideration of plans for space exploration in this vein will lead to something positive.

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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 1 June 2020 06: 27 New
    -27
    Nothing, Rogozin will soon launch the Angara smile
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 June 2020 06: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Rogozin will soon launch Angara

      But it’s possible to be more specific especially if fate has already changed
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha 1 June 2020 07: 48 New
        73
        Trump, in order to declare space and the moon as American, flights are not necessary at all. Enough tribune and twitter
        1. Volgar
          Volgar 2 June 2020 01: 13 New
          18
          Quote: Mitroha
          Trump

          Not only him, but also all American politicians have enough stands and CienNan
      2. Whirlwind
        Whirlwind 1 June 2020 14: 43 New
        +7
        [/ quote] [/ quote]
        And the dragon did not change?
      3. The comment was deleted.
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 1 June 2020 06: 47 New
      -17
      Pessimist 22-here, in addition to Rogozin, some of the country's economy has already decent-run! Soon we will fly in Chinese cargo ships into space, for we are too large for their passengers. ...
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 1 June 2020 06: 57 New
        72
        By the way, Roscosmos has already commented on this moment,
        By the way, I liked the reaction of Internet users more. Feelings of humor they do not hold:
        1. Roman123567
          Roman123567 1 June 2020 09: 30 New
          +6
          And Phobos-soil successfully reached the bottom of the ocean ..))
        2. Volgar
          Volgar 2 June 2020 01: 15 New
          16
          good
          The main thing and the truth was said at the same time ... laughing
      2. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 1 June 2020 12: 33 New
        +5
        What again is the economy in decline? Again there is nothing to eat and we all die? Did Mother Mother Walk Again? Well, you have life ... One crap all around.
        1. private person
          private person 1 June 2020 14: 00 New
          -5
          What again is the economy in decline? There’s nothing to eat again and we will all die

          Calm down while there is oil and gas, no one or almost no one will die. And there is still a lot to sell. Our country is rich.
        2. DMB84
          DMB84 1 June 2020 14: 39 New
          +6
          You are probably looking out of your office window ... It's so hard to see there. The way our country is treated, those who are at the helm, and enemies are not needed. will destroy everything themselves. Here from below it is somehow more visible. If you have already received a huge country in ownership, with all the villages and other serfs, then treat it as if it were your own enterprise. Grow, multiply, invest, develop. And then it is stolen, destroyed, falling apart. Maybe somewhere in a separate collective farm ... Well, tell me the address, we will all be happy here. An example? The Moscow region, if the greenhouse economy and animal husbandry are properly developed, can feed the whole of Russia, despite the risky farming. Tell me, has the state built at least one cowshed? Or a greenhouse? Only rents out to Chinese, Vietnamese and others. Is it too weak to set up state enterprises, such as state farms, ourselves? What, the gut is thin? Can we only get money for rent? it's easier. Where are you, efficient managers? Ay !!!. That's the same garbage with space. In order for the entire industry to work, production must first be raised throughout the country. From nails to locators. And where are they producing these? Again, like "buy from the Chinese"? And what about scientific institutions? Yes, they mostly lease space, rather than doing science. Those who survived. Scientists, ay! Where are you ? Ah scattered .... do not pay ...? So, what are you there, get out of the cabinet, take a walk outside the Moscow Ring Road ... look around. You will see a lot of cool things ...
          1. Alexey Kurilov_3
            Alexey Kurilov_3 1 June 2020 15: 49 New
            +5
            Well (effective manager) and translated from English as (GOOD SELLER) what can they create then?
            1. Volgar
              Volgar 2 June 2020 01: 16 New
              21
              Quote: Alexey Kurilov_3
              What can they create?

              I’ll venture to suggest: maybe a distribution network bully
          2. CAMS
            CAMS 1 June 2020 19: 09 New
            0
            Go to the village to work at the state farm. Yes, only people like you can’t lure there. Only you can spank on the clave. With an increase in living standards, the vast majority of the population wants to live in cities. You do not want to knead shit in the village, so why should others ...?
            1. private person
              private person 2 June 2020 12: 40 New
              +1
              Go to the village to work at the state farm.

              Work on a state farm? Where are they state farms? People who engage in farming themselves barely survive everywhere. They need money. They need to get the land, buy and repair equipment, buy fuel and lubricants and fertilizers, etc. And also when the crop is harvested so it is necessary to store it somewhere and the market with a normal price. Yes, after all, someone needs to work, and there is no one all the youth in the city gave life there and in the village survival.
          3. Nikolai Korovin
            Nikolai Korovin 1 June 2020 21: 02 New
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            They pay little, but we work to the best of our ability. I know that young people are already not so eager for a hill - so, more out of curiosity, well, to earn a little. Many are returning. I myself practically do not work by age - what I did from the late 70s to the beginning of the 90s with some success, and in the 90s I wallowed and put it to the wall - not through my own fault, now I don’t really care about anyone . But I am engaged in a review journal - there are many interesting domestic developments. More than you think.

            And young people are slowly appearing even in our purely paper institute. True, I must admit that domestic electronics is still a little expensive, as it was in the late 80s, but is also slowly recovering. Listen to Kovalchuk’s bear. True, those who knew him at Moscow State University in those years say that in his youth he was a rather lightweight man, but he must have grown. It is no coincidence that he is given a platform on TV. Kindle, scoundrel. He sees good prospects.

            I go outside the Moscow Ring Road on a regular basis, although I do not go outside the Moscow Region - mainly for health reasons - and I see no reason for such a cry at the wall. Yes, a lot was destroyed in the 90s. But scientists and the current authorities have nothing to do with it. And as for the development of greenhouse and livestock farming - read at least the site "sdelanounas.ru", or something ... There these issues are covered quite widely.

            And in general, Russia exports food, if I am not mistaken, somewhere for $ 20 billion, but somehow everything is in the store, no interruptions and queues. I lived in the USSR for 37 years, something I don’t remember. I’m not saying that everything was bad in the USSR — absolutely not. But still there were many shortcomings.

            So, looking back at my entire adult life (incidentally, I remember something about the 50s), I will say that the country lives on. The timelessness of the 90s is over. Yes, it hurt badly. The shock without therapy was still the same. But we must not groan - "everything is lost" - and in its place, constantly do at least a little better. "The announcer from the program! Those who in one way or another talk about failures and make people nervous - take us, the doomed! The triangle will turn you, scientists, into insane, but on the contrary!"
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 2 June 2020 00: 44 New
              +3
              Quote: Nikolai Korovin
              Listen to Kovalchuk’s bear. True, those who knew him at Moscow State University in those years say that in his youth he was a rather lightweight man, but he must have grown. It is no coincidence that he is given a tribune on TV.
              Not by chance, of course. He is the brother of Putin's oligarch Yuri Kovalchuk, co-founder of the Ozero cooperative and chairman of the board of Rossiya Bank. One of the most classic examples in modern history, when they travel on personal connections, and not on professionalism. At least put it in a frame.
              1. Nikolai Korovin
                Nikolai Korovin 2 June 2020 11: 56 New
                +6
                Well I do not know. Doctor Phys.-Math. Kovalchuk became a science in 1987 - Putin has nothing to do with it. He became the director of the Institute of Crystallography in 1998 - as if no one had heard much about Putin (VV Putin became acting president from 31.12.1999/2005/XNUMX, if you remember). True, he headed the Kurchatov Institute in combination already in XNUMX, that is - here, perhaps, there is Putin’s influence. But, judging by the results of the work of Rosatom in recent years, to which the Kurchatov Institute is probably involved, there is no reason to say that it is a poor leader. Many developments of the Kurchatov Institute also appeared, which are not directly related to atomic energy.
          4. Lekz
            Lekz 1 June 2020 23: 48 New
            -2
            Maybe I missed something, but capitalism is visible from my window. This is when private ownership of the means of production. What to blame for the state, go to the bank, take a loan (or your own), buy greenhouses with burenki and feed the whole country, if it goes well, then abroad. And the state will cope with the obligations to protect and provide. And if he needs something, he will build as he is already building.
            1. Volgar
              Volgar 2 June 2020 01: 18 New
              16
              Quote: Lekz
              I can see capitalism from the window

              We do not have capitalism. We have market relations (ordinary flea market) wink
          5. vkfriendly
            vkfriendly 2 June 2020 06: 57 New
            +4
            What are the Chinese all the normal land for a long time at the Russian agricultural holdings if that is not worth the hassle of putting up a fence here. Or do you think it is the Chinese who grow wheat, and in the Krasnodar Territory orchards, vineyards and tea plantations belong to the Chinese.? The Chinese in the zone of risky farming where you can’t drive ours, for example, the Amur region, there they grow it, but it is very small on a Russian scale
      3. private person
        private person 1 June 2020 13: 57 New
        -1
        Soon we will fly on Chinese cargo ships into space

        I agree with you 100%. Since the situation is now in the space industry, this will happen soon. We only scream from the TV screens about breakthroughs, but in reality there are only tears.
        1. slipped
          slipped 1 June 2020 17: 23 New
          +7
          Quote: private person
          Soon we will fly on Chinese cargo ships into space


          Meanwhile, another Soyuz-2.1a rocket was delivered to Baikonur to launch the next Progress MS-15 in July

          1. private person
            private person 1 June 2020 18: 52 New
            -13
            Meanwhile, another Soyuz-2.1a rocket was delivered to Baikonur to launch the next Progress MS-15 in July


            What components? Only here it is not necessary to tryndet that all our components, well, we do not have those factories that were before.
            1. slipped
              slipped 1 June 2020 20: 02 New
              +7
              Quote: private person
              What components? Only here it is not necessary to tryndet that all our components, well, we do not have those factories that were before.


              All components are ours. laughing
              1. smel
                smel 2 June 2020 15: 36 New
                -3
                Tell me a company that produces microprocessors in our country.
                1. slipped
                  slipped 2 June 2020 21: 27 New
                  +3
                  Quote: smel
                  Tell me a company that produces microprocessors in our country.


                  CSW, NPOA and others.
                  1. smel
                    smel 3 June 2020 09: 39 New
                    -2
                    Dear slipped! To be respected, you need to know the topic of the conversation. I would understand you if the answer included "Mikron" and "Angstrem" with their "Elbrus" and "Baikals", which at this stage are very, very weak (and this is putting it mildly), and their cost goes beyond reasonable. But they are also focused mainly on contract products. One could recall the federal scientific center NIISI RAS, which recently launched a new microelectronics workshop. But even there production is far from ideal. Module has many promising developments. But I emphasize that they are promising. All the previously mentioned are working on processors in the 100-90 nm. There is something in the 64-28 range. Although 28 is fantastic. No one goes below 30 nm.
                    Let me remind you that the world's major manufacturers in consumer goods (!!!) produce products on microprocessors of 8-12 nm. And I’m more than sure that products based on such processors are in your pocket. This year, most likely we will see their products in stores with 4 nm processors.
                    I won’t talk about software. Not this topic, but here we stride very far to perfection.
                    I do not consider myself to be a prowler. On the contrary, I am a patriot of my country, I have done a lot for it and continue to do it. But I am firmly convinced that an illiterate madman with firm convictions that we will tear everyone apart is worse than the enemy. Only knowledge of the real state of affairs, the presence of a reasonable development program and purposeful movement forward can help us after the galosh razgerebnikami.
                    Yes. And the number of posts does not mean education and knowledge of the topic. Says depth
                    1. slipped
                      slipped 3 June 2020 12: 04 New
                      0
                      Quote: smel
                      Dear slipped! To be respected, you need to know the topic of conversation.


                      belay

                      Quote: smel
                      I would understand you if the answer included "Mikron" and "Angstrem" with their "Elbrus" and "Baikals", which at this stage are very, very weak (and this is putting it mildly), and their cost goes beyond reasonable.


                      What does the industrial class CMOS have to do with the topic of conversation? laughing

                      Quote: smel
                      Yes. And the number of posts does not mean education and knowledge of the topic. Says depth


                      Well, delve into the topic then. To start, contact the Radio device in Yaroslavl.
                      1. smel
                        smel 3 June 2020 16: 24 New
                        -1
                        I don’t even want to argue. We do not have a production chain for all components. Resistors, capacitors do not. If they print the fee, then only on foreign machines with foreign software. If something comes from Moscow, then only the naive thinks that these components are made there. And the processors of the military and space series are generally 30 years behind the Indestrial. We are not even talking about calibration complexes or serious verification instruments. Including in Yaroslavl. I would still be surprised if it came to N. Novgorod. But there they graduated. Go down to earth
                      2. slipped
                        slipped 3 June 2020 20: 19 New
                        -2
                        Quote: smel
                        I don’t even want to argue.


                        Yeah not sports laughing You do not understand this topic. Take a look here http://russianspacesystems.ru/bussines/cosmostroy/
                      3. smel
                        smel 4 June 2020 10: 24 New
                        -1
                        Yes, I will not argue. But I repeat again. We do not MP. Everything that you consider made in the Russian Federation is made in South Korea by Samsung. Yes, we bought from them a software product and processor architecture (quite old), formally made changes to it, sent them back for production on their equipment, got ready, checked with the appropriate structures for any changes and bookmarks, stamped it and put it on. .. But where - I will not describe here. So good luck with your mistakes
                      4. smel
                        smel 4 June 2020 10: 30 New
                        -1
                        Yes, I almost forgot. How it works - you can ask those who went to war abroad in 2008. Find out how, when turned on, processors on radio stations burned out on the command of just one drone. Or to clarify how mobile communication stalled on Beeline after replacing equipment when updating software on command from China
                      5. slipped
                        slipped 4 June 2020 10: 36 New
                        0
                        Quote: smel
                        Yes, I almost forgot. How it works - you can ask those who went to war abroad in 2008. Find out how processors burned when turned on


                        Once again, my question is, what does CMOS electronics have to do with Soyuz-2 missiles? You did not answer, then I will answer - none.
                      6. smel
                        smel 4 June 2020 11: 24 New
                        0
                        Maybe you think that there is on-board equipment on lamps ???
                      7. slipped
                        slipped 4 June 2020 11: 47 New
                        +1
                        Quote: smel
                        Maybe you think that there is on-board equipment on lamps ???


                        Wood laughing You read, read, I gave you a reference ...
                      8. smel
                        smel 4 June 2020 12: 15 New
                        0
                        Read. Good brochure. I saw the case and connectors of our production. I saw footnotes on international protocols. And whose element base and where is it made? I’m talking about her !!
                      9. slipped
                        slipped 4 June 2020 12: 16 New
                        +2
                        Above, what I said of course refers to the CMOS "industrial". I wrote you the name of the enterprises, but if you were still banned from Google laughing and you continue to minus my answers, here you have such names and component manufacturers (open data):

                        Basic blocks of the BTSVS "Malachite-7" family installed on the Soyuz-2 rocket are implemented using the following element base:

                        - microprocessor 1867VTs6 (FSUE NIIET, Voronezh);
                        - microprocessor 1867VTs2 (FSUE NIIET, Voronezh);
                        - BMK 1537XM2 (Angstrem OJSC, Zelenograd);
                        - buffer elements 1554AP6TBM (Angstrem OJSC, Zelenograd) and 5584AP7 (NPO Integral, Minsk);
                        - RAM 1637RU1 (Angstrem OJSC, Zelenograd);
                        - Flash 1638РР1 (OJSC Angstrem, Zelenograd);
                        - food supervisor 1446AP1 (Angstrem OJSC, Zelenograd);
                        - clock generator GK-108P (JSC "Lit-Fonon", Moscow);
                        - highly stable generator GK-21 (JSC "Lit-Fonon", Moscow).



                        here is even a photo attached boards lol
                      10. slipped
                        slipped 4 June 2020 12: 33 New
                        +2
                        Above is the photo of the communication module, but the photo of the computing and system modules laughing



                      11. smel
                        smel 4 June 2020 12: 42 New
                        0
                        Fundamentally, I do not use instagrams, facebook, google, etc., and try not to get information there. I will deal with this element base. Voronezh is a serious organization. I'll write in a personal. I don’t think it’s worth further developing this discussion. Tell me who produces analog components, high-frequency mixers, controlled voltage generators
                      12. Garris199
                        Garris199 5 June 2020 00: 33 New
                        0
                        This, I call substantive conversation. My respect doc.
  • Lekz
    Lekz 1 June 2020 23: 59 New
    +4
    Tryndet is really not good. But Roscosmos has to fulfill the requirement recorded in the technical task to have 100% of domestic components. As well as defense industry enterprises for orders of the Ministry of Defense. All deviations from this requirement are possible only with the permission of the Russian government.
    By the way, what about the Mask with Chinese components? He does not warp from the lack of American patriotism? All the same, type of trade wars are coming.
    1. private person
      private person 2 June 2020 09: 32 New
      -2
      All deviations from this requirement are possible only with the permission of the Russian government.

      Key phrase with permission is possible.
  • ultra
    ultra 2 June 2020 09: 50 New
    -3
    There is the Progress spacecraft, but there is no progress in our space program, and the scientific space has simply disappeared.
    1. slipped
      slipped 2 June 2020 21: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: ultra
      There is the Progress spacecraft, but there is no progress in our space program, and the scientific space has simply disappeared.


      in your virtual world this way lol
      1. ultra
        ultra 2 June 2020 21: 42 New
        -2
        In our real hangar
        , for 22 years, never flew.
        1. slipped
          slipped 2 June 2020 21: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: ultra
          In our real hangar
          , for 22 years, never flew.


          All this time we use Proton-M, and so this year flies laughing and then every year and in general, what does your passage have to do with the "scientific space"?
          1. ultra
            ultra 2 June 2020 21: 48 New
            -2
            excellent, in 3 starts in over two decades
            1. slipped
              slipped 2 June 2020 21: 58 New
              0
              Quote: ultra
              excellent, in 3 starts in over two decades


              So what? lol Once again, our main heavy missile is the Proton-M. The launch of the next Proton-M with two communication satellites from Baikonur is scheduled for late July. The Angara rocket is currently undergoing tests. The missile belongs to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and is launched from Plesetsk. Last year, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation completed the use of Proton-M and Rokot missiles for its spacecraft launches and this year begins to launch A5 launch vehicles from Plesetsk. Next year, A1.2 will join the tests.

              Serial production of the Angara rocket is scheduled for 2023 at the production site in Omsk. The launch of the "civilian" version is planned from the Vostochny cosmodrome in 2023, after the completion of the launch construction.
              1. ultra
                ultra 2 June 2020 22: 06 New
                -2
                of course a proton, and 5.5% of emergency launches in 10 years.
              2. slipped
                slipped 2 June 2020 22: 11 New
                +1
                Quote: ultra
                of course a proton, and 5.5% of emergency launches in 10 years.


                Of course. It is Proton-M. All of the last 19 launches have been successful. laughing
              3. ultra
                ultra 3 June 2020 10: 30 New
                -4
                We have not 5,5 protons, but all carriers, only the Indians are worse than us, they have 8%. It has long been clear to all sane people that our space industry is near death. It is enough to look at the state of the Voronezh "flagship" of our engine building. I need agitation, you read what those who worked or works there write. About Angara, I’m ready to bet that the project will be closed after the first accident, but that it will be 100% sure. And it will be because Khrunichev no longer has those competencies that were in the days of the USSR and they have nowhere to take.
              4. slipped
                slipped 3 June 2020 12: 01 New
                0
                Quote: ultra
                About the Angara, I’m ready to bet that the project will be closed after the first accident, and that I will be 100% sure that it will be.


                All 9 launches of the URM-1 were successful. Both launches of the URM-2, too. Everything will be fine.
        2. ultra
          ultra 2 June 2020 22: 09 New
          -4
          you, like your boss Ragozin, balabol
        3. slipped
          slipped 2 June 2020 22: 12 New
          +2
          Quote: ultra
          you, like your boss Ragozin, balabol


          another Lelik? laughing
        4. ultra
          ultra 2 June 2020 22: 18 New
          -2
          better Lelik than ostap with pussycat
          laughing
        5. slipped
          slipped 2 June 2020 23: 24 New
          +2
          Are you worried about the successful launches of Proton-M? laughing
  • ultra
    ultra 2 June 2020 22: 01 New
    -3
    I wrote about the heritage of the USSR, the entire Russian scientific on the fingers of one hand, and this is for 30 years.
    1. slipped
      slipped 2 June 2020 22: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: ultra
      I wrote about the heritage of the USSR, the entire Russian scientific on the fingers of one hand, and this is for 30 years.


      It's a lie. lol Or your ignorance of the topic.
  • Simargl
    Simargl 1 June 2020 18: 07 New
    0
    Quote: Thrifty
    for we are too large for their passengers. ...
    Their "copy" of the Union ... - more Union tongue
    1. slipped
      slipped 1 June 2020 20: 19 New
      +5
      Quote: Simargl
      Quote: Thrifty
      for we are too large for their passengers. ...
      Their "copy" of the Union ... - more Union tongue


      In terms of pressurization, the Soyuz MS is larger - 10,5m3, Cru Dragon - 9,3m3. In the leaky compartment, the Union MS is slightly smaller and the Union has it filled with instruments and engines. Crew Dragon can work as a cargo ship because it runs on a heavy carrier. The Union of MS - on average, and low average. The cost of launching the Union of MS is much cheaper.

      Crew Dragon without an unpressurized compartment can be launched by Soyuz-2.1b rocket from the Kourou Cosmodrome.
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 1 June 2020 20: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: slipped
        The Union is larger in hermetic volume - 10,5m³, Cru Dragon - 9,3m³
        Stop, stop! The Union is divided into two parts, and the spacecraft itself (the descent vehicle), where the cosmonauts are located, is 4,5m³, and in the Dragon this volume is "one piece".
        But I said that Shenzhou is larger than the Union (50 mm larger than the diameter). Those. to say that their QC is small is not true.
        1. slipped
          slipped 1 June 2020 21: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Simargl
          Stop, stop! The union is divided into two parts,


          The union is not "divided into two parts" - it is just two-room. laughing

          Quote: Simargl
          and the ship itself (lander), where the astronauts are located, 4,5m³


          The astronauts in the spacecraft are placed only at the time of withdrawal ~ 2,5 hours, docking ~ 1 hour and landing ~ 2 hours. The rest of the flight time they occupy the entire living space of the ship.

          Quote: Simargl
          and in the Dragon this volume is "one piece".


          Well, yes, it is one-room. This is inconvenient, especially for female astronauts.

          Quote: Simargl
          But I said that Shenzhou is larger than the Union (50 mm larger than the diameter).


          And about Shenzhou, well, they scaled the Union’s SA. I don’t know how this affected their landing, maybe it’s harder than in the Union, because if they are used with turbojet engines similar to the Union ones, it will hit the Earth harder.
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 2 June 2020 05: 02 New
            0
            Quote: slipped
            he is just two-room.
            Okay, it has two parts.
            Quote: slipped
            This is inconvenient, especially for female astronauts.
            ... and therefore the "Eagle-Federation" is also one-room ... wassat
            1. slipped
              slipped 2 June 2020 21: 36 New
              +1
              Quote: Simargl
              Quote: slipped
              he is just two-room.
              Okay, it has two parts.


              Of the three compartments. BO + CA + PAO.

              Quote: Simargl
              Quote: slipped
              This is inconvenient, especially for female astronauts.
              ... and therefore the "Eagle-Federation" is also one-room ... wassat


              there is a ladies balcony laughing
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 3 June 2020 03: 46 New
                0
                Quote: slipped
                Of the three compartments. BO + CA + PAO.
                I have little idea how a leaky PAO can be attributed to inhabited ... but okay: if you want so - "add" the rest of the compartment wassat

                Quote: slipped
                there is a ladies balcony
                And they have gender equality tongue
                ... and diapers ...
                1. slipped
                  slipped 3 June 2020 05: 02 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Simargl
                  Quote: slipped
                  Of the three compartments. BO + CA + PAO.
                  I have little idea how a leaky PAO can be attributed to inhabited ... but okay: if you want so - "add" the rest of the compartment wassat


                  Then specify that "Soyuz MS" has two sealed compartment. laughing PAO, although leaky, but also an integral part of the ship.

                  In a regular flight, one or two astronauts are in the BO, one or two in the SA.

                  Quote: Simargl
                  And they have gender equality tongue ... and diapers ...


                  with which I congratulate them laughing
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 3 June 2020 20: 02 New
                    0
                    Quote: slipped
                    Then specify that the Soyuz MC has two sealed compartments.
                    Can't you see it from the context? Does the word "one-room" hint at anything? What about the comment I replied to?
                    Or are you trying by any means to discredit me?
                  2. slipped
                    slipped 3 June 2020 20: 26 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Simargl
                    Can't you see it from the context? Does the word "one-room" hint at anything?


                    Let's wink immediately becomes clear laughing

                    Quote: Simargl
                    And the comment I answered?


                    On the Dragon, nevertheless, there is some sort of sewage device, only it is located so that when I saw it, and at that moment I was drinking coffee, I stupidly choked. laughing

                    Quote: Simargl
                    Or are you trying by any means to discredit me?


                    God forbid. It's just that when you constantly hear the phrase about "ship parts", you automatically divide them into the correct number of compartments. laughing
  • zenion
    zenion 2 June 2020 13: 35 New
    0
    There is such a song - One snowflake, not yet snow, not yet snow. One rain - not yet rain. And if Russia does not sell rocket engines, what will they raise?
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 3 June 2020 03: 49 New
      0
      Quote: zenion
      And if Russia does not sell rocket engines, what will they raise?
      Whom? The dragon flies on the Merlin - this is an American engine. The Chinese fly on their own.
      Here is Starliner - he is on Atlas-5, but he hasn’t flown with people yet.
  • kutuz
    kutuz 2 June 2020 20: 41 New
    -4
    "we will fly on Chinese cargo ships" - that's right, we don't have enough brains for our own.
  • Civil
    Civil 1 June 2020 07: 05 New
    +7
    "Here Musk will land on Proxima B of Alpha-Centauri - we'll talk later")))
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 June 2020 12: 08 New
      +2
      Not in this century.
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 1 June 2020 18: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Civil
      "Here Musk will land on Proxima B of Alpha-Centauri - we'll talk later")))
      Announce the entire list to navigate in the moment.
    3. Volgar
      Volgar 2 June 2020 01: 20 New
      14
      Then it will be too late to talk laughing
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 1 June 2020 07: 43 New
    +5
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Nothing, Rogozin will soon launch the Angara


    Hope is a dubious haven.“The hopes of the youths are nourished, The elders are given joy”, But still they are gradually melting. ... The sciences feed the youths, The old people are given joy, Decorate in a happy life, Protect in an accident
    Pushkin is eternal and always relevant.
    1. Romey
      Romey 1 June 2020 07: 57 New
      19
      Lomonosov, colleague, Lomonosov ... But the essence does not change.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 1 June 2020 09: 05 New
        +7
        Quote: romey
        Lomonosov, colleague, Lomonosov ... But the essence does not change.

        I don’t know for sure, maybe Lomonosov is in his ode, maybe Gleb Glinka, but it certainly doesn’t change anything, hope dies last. It remains to wait and hope.
        1. snake
          snake 1 June 2020 11: 44 New
          -3
          Quote: tihonmarine
          It remains to wait and hope.

          Under the lying stone ...
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 1 June 2020 16: 17 New
      +4
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Pushkin is eternal and always relevant.

      You are right, Colleague!
      "The ruler is weak and crafty,
      A bald dandy, the enemy of labor,
      Unintentionally warmed by glory,
      Then reigned over us. "
  • Evil543
    Evil543 1 June 2020 07: 57 New
    26
    Previously, I started it by the word, they meant the constructor, but now the de-fictitious manager, the designers are not mentioned.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 1 June 2020 09: 16 New
      +9
      Quote: Evil543
      Previously, I started it by the word, they meant the constructor, but now the de-fictitious manager, the designers are not mentioned.

      Previously, every teenager knew the names of the great Korolev, Voskresensky, Glushko. And now Rogozin is everywhere, and who he still doesn’t understand.
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 1 June 2020 10: 14 New
        +8
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Previously, every teenager knew the names of the great Korolev, Voskresensky, Glushko
        Yes? The queen - only after his death, about the rest - after the collapse of the USSR. Secrecy!
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 1 June 2020 21: 43 New
          -1
          Quote: bk0010
          Yes? Queen - only after his death

          Well, not all of us knew this, but the children and grandchildren know this.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 1 June 2020 11: 29 New
        +1
        He is a rogue, Vlad, and a balabol.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 1 June 2020 11: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: NordUral
          He is a rogue, Vlad, and a balabol.

          And another con man.
          1. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 1 June 2020 17: 22 New
            +3
            Maybe everything is easier: an official and a capitalist ?!
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 1 June 2020 21: 44 New
              +2
              Quote: AKuzenka
              Maybe everything is easier: an official and a capitalist ?!

              By the way, it is more true.
            2. Volgar
              Volgar 2 June 2020 01: 24 New
              18
              Musk is a capitalist, and Rogozin is just an official. Rogozin as far as the capitalist, as to go to Beijing with his "back".
      3. astepanov
        astepanov 1 June 2020 12: 01 New
        +4
        Quote: tihonmarine
        And now Rogozin is everywhere, and who he still doesn’t understand.

        How is who? An effective manager. Like all "effective" ones, it sucks the loot. The superoffice in the First See is under construction. With an amusement park: trampolines, inflatable transport systems, Martian landscapes with our symbols, a hall of the conquerors of the universe with wax figures of Chubais, Gref, Nabiullina and Rogozin ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 1 June 2020 21: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: astepanov
          How is that? Effective manager.

          Well, I still do not understand what a "manager" is he that a designer, or a vacuum cleaner?
      4. Volgar
        Volgar 2 June 2020 01: 23 New
        18
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Rogozin, and who he still doesn’t understand

        Effective manager wink Effectively everything does so, especially promises bully
  • venik
    venik 1 June 2020 08: 17 New
    +3
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Nothing, Rogozin will soon launch the Angara smile

    ======
    From a bearded joke:
    "..Nikita Sergeevich! And my dad says you Launched not only satellite, but also agriculture?...... ".
    Now the main thing is that Rogozin should not be transferred to "raise" agriculture !!! wassat
    1. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 1 June 2020 12: 03 New
      +4
      Quote: venik
      From a bearded joke:
      "..Nikita Sergeevich! And my dad says that you launched not only a satellite, but also Agriculture? ......"

      From the same joke: Boy, tell your dad that I'm not just corn planting.
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 1 June 2020 18: 28 New
        0
        The official representative of the state corporation, Vladimir Ustimenko, advised everyone not to make this tragedy and not to cause “hysteria”.
        Now, in order to get into the orbit of the Earth, there is not one transport system, but two, and this is wonderful! He commented on the success of the Americans.
        .

        But this can’t be "packed" like corn? At least tie his salary to industry achievements, so that he doesn’t say stupid things out loud ...
        1. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 1 June 2020 19: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          The official representative of the state corporation, Vladimir Ustimenko, advised everyone not to make this tragedy and not to cause “hysteria”.
          Now, in order to get into the orbit of the Earth, there is not one transport system, but two, and this is wonderful! He commented on the success of the Americans.
          .

          But this can’t be "packed" like corn? At least tie his salary to industry achievements, so that he doesn’t say stupid things out loud ...

          Why pack it? This is the official representative, i.e. talking head. Obliged to observe the norms of decency. Not everyone can talk openly about "6lya morons".
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 1 June 2020 22: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: Narak-zempo
            Obliged to comply with the rules of decency. Not everyone can speak openly ...

            About the rules of decency, you correctly noticed it, but to express enthusiasm for the appearance of a direct competitor - not all right in the kingdom of danish.... It would be better if he said nothing
      2. venik
        venik 2 June 2020 09: 00 New
        0
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        From the same joke: Boy, tell your dad that I’m not only planting corn.

        ========
        Damn it! It's nice to meet a person who still remembers the "bearded" jokes! good drinks
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 1 June 2020 21: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: venik
      "..Nikita Sergeevich! And my dad says that you launched not only a satellite, but also Agriculture? ......"

      Ooh! As I recall this fool, how corn was sown in the Smolensk region.
      1. venik
        venik 2 June 2020 09: 11 New
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Ooh! As I recall this fool, how corn was sown in the Smolensk region.

        =========
        good Well, as they say: "Make a fool pray to God, he will break his forehead!" ...
        But in general, the corn culture is very good ...... Unless of course know WHERE, HOW and HOW MUCH to grow it! And with Nikita - one "inflection"corrected by others"BENDING"......
        That is why he became famous as "Great Maize"! And also like" The Great Stupid "!!! laughing
  • halpat
    halpat 1 June 2020 08: 36 New
    +8
    "Snorted all the way"
    Troilus engine? Low-quality gasoline or counterfeit Bosch candles caught?
    laughing
  • iouris
    iouris 1 June 2020 13: 08 New
    -1
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Rogozin will soon launch Angara

    Is it a general designer or a launcher?
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 1 June 2020 17: 26 New
    -5
    The official representative of the state corporation, Vladimir Ustimenko, advised everyone not to make this tragedy and not to cause “hysteria”.

    Of course, dear, of course.
    There is no hysteria, there is an understanding that the launch of the "Angara" simply will not take place. For the launch to take place, it is needed "in kind". And it simply does not exist. And a non-existent rocket can only fly in imagination to the accompaniment of the screeching of a saw.
    1. slipped
      slipped 1 June 2020 17: 41 New
      +5
      Quote: AKuzenka
      it is needed "in kind". And it simply does not exist.


      Cool, somewhere I've already heard this ..... and "Crimean bridge" - it does not exist! laughing

      In April, she still lay in the workshop and was preparing to be sent to the spaceport. lol

  • Volgar
    Volgar 2 June 2020 01: 11 New
    16
    Is it such sarcasm?
  • smart ass
    smart ass 2 June 2020 06: 11 New
    -2
    Rogozin can only hangar in the toilet
  • rocket757
    rocket757 1 June 2020 06: 28 New
    10
    Now we will soon land on Mars, and we will have the greatest weapons imaginable! ”


    If the matter develops in this vein, it is unlikely that consideration of plans for space exploration in this vein will lead to something positive.

    Events take their course ... expect the Yankees to prefer to cooperate, rather than drive ahead ... empty fantasies.
    However, this can also be called its own order.
    1. Yura
      Yura 1 June 2020 07: 02 New
      17
      Quote: rocket757
      Events take their course ... expect the Yankees to prefer to cooperate, rather than drive ahead ... empty fantasies.
      However, this can also be called its own order.

      I would add that this order has acquired one more aspect - Space is an extreme environment, both for technology and people, the probability of emergency situations is prohibitive and therefore in this case, assistance to astronauts, evacuation, etc. becomes more secure with the advent of this "machine". In principle, up to this point, everything lay only on Russian shoulders. In this case, the safety of the crews should be in the first place, and not the priorities of the prestige of countries, the priorities of space exploration by humanity as a whole, although the moment of priorities is important for each country and each of us, but for space we are all ants from the same anthill.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 1 June 2020 07: 16 New
        +9
        Space offices would agree on priorities ... the question is only to the leaders of the countries engaged in the joint operation of the space object ... but here, it may be different.
        1. Yura
          Yura 1 June 2020 07: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          and here, maybe different.

          I agree and hope for the intelligence of the parties, "the hopes of young men nourish" and dreams.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 1 June 2020 07: 33 New
            +6
            The topic is very complex, specific, measured by n missiles here is not appropriate.
    2. Volgar
      Volgar 2 June 2020 01: 29 New
      15
      Americans are welcome to cooperate only when it is beneficial to them. Now it’s definitely not profitable for them to cooperate with us in the space industry. The USA started in the new space race, hoping to leave everyone behind ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 2 June 2020 06: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Volgar
        Now it’s definitely not profitable for them to cooperate with us in the space industry.

        Events will continue to take their course and it is definitely too early to approve. Which, obviously, is not early ... and always on time, it is to do your job persistently and effectively, without looking around.
  • 9PA
    9PA 1 June 2020 06: 28 New
    -21
    Forward Ilon Musk!
    1. Cheshire
      Cheshire 1 June 2020 06: 54 New
      21
      hi
      I would suggest my option:
      Go Russia!
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        1. Cheshire
          Cheshire 1 June 2020 09: 24 New
          +3
          Russia is not Moscow, Russia was, is and will be. hi
          And I wish you success and faith in God
          1. 9PA
            9PA 1 June 2020 09: 52 New
            -16
            Russia was, but it was gone, and no one will give it back. Belief in God, what is it?
            1. sevryuk
              sevryuk 1 June 2020 12: 10 New
              +4
              "no one will give her back"

              Will someone ask "nobody"? As if the appearance of the maskonauts cancels the "Unions" and "Progress" and, moreover, "Angara".
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            2. Alex Justice
              Alex Justice 1 June 2020 17: 37 New
              -2
              What do priests do on the site?
    2. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 1 June 2020 12: 06 New
      -2
      Quote: 9PA
      Forward Ilon Musk!

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  • RUSS
    RUSS 1 June 2020 06: 29 New
    -5
    At Roskosmos, by the way, they have already commented on this moment, and in a very positive way. The official representative of the state corporation Vladimir Ustimenko advised everyone not to make of this tragedy and not to cause “hysteria”.

    After the launch of the Crew Dragon spacecraft and its successful docking with the International Space Station (ISS), Rogozin congratulated SpaceX and Mask, and also proposed to continue cooperation with the United States in the space field.

    “Thank you sir, haha. We look forward to mutually beneficial and prosperous long-term cooperation, ”Musk said.
    1. Alex 2020
      Alex 2020 1 June 2020 07: 13 New
      -17
      Continuation of the answer Mask- .. as soon as you can make your trampoline ... laughing
      1. forpost
        forpost 1 June 2020 13: 31 New
        0
        why trampoline? there are rockets.
    2. Dikson
      Dikson 1 June 2020 09: 28 New
      +1
      Musk said so ... non-believers can read it on Twitter. And he wrote it to Rogozin in Russian .. And this is his "ha-ha" - the clearest signal to all local cheers-patriots from Roscosmos .. Did many of our cosmonauts ride the Shuttles? So, not a single Russian cosmonaut will fly on the new American ships ... unless there is an emergency ... Mr. Rogozin can roll his lip .. Cooperation in space has ended .. And the Americans will continue to buy and use materials, metals and our products .. - They use the Chinese? ))) Only in China, for some reason, apart from iPhones, they collect their phones and computers, and we puff out our cheeks about our exclusivity ..
      1. Roman123567
        Roman123567 1 June 2020 09: 34 New
        -9
        Ha ha ..
        They dunked well .. But I’m almost offended !!
        In this case, I am on the side of humanity, and not on the side of any state ..
        The fact that our country in its present form and with the current system cannot have any space future is an obvious fact for me .. So let at least someone .. The Chinese fly to Mars - I will rejoice for the Chinese !!
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 1 June 2020 11: 34 New
          +5
          What a wonderful person you are, Roman123567, for all you are ready to rejoice, for the general people.
          And I want to be happy for our cosmonauts and designers. And therefore also, so that from there nothing would fall on us. But this all goes.
        2. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 1 June 2020 12: 10 New
          -2
          Quote: Roman123567
          In this case, I am on the side of humanity, and not on the side of any state

          For your information, it is Russia from the time of Dostoevsky that has the exclusive right to represent universal values. And she did not concede this right to anyone.
        3. iouris
          iouris 1 June 2020 13: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: Roman123567
          I'm on the side of humanity

          ... against your state.
      2. gurzuf
        gurzuf 1 June 2020 11: 42 New
        +4
        What is the need that forces our astronauts to use the American spacecraft? By the way, he has not returned from orbit.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 1 June 2020 12: 13 New
        +2
        They assemble their machines - the truth is, in fact, cheap and low-quality bullshit is me about CNC.
      4. slipped
        slipped 1 June 2020 17: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: Dikson
        Musk said so ... non-believers can read it on Twitter. And he wrote it to Rogozin in Russian .. And this is his "ha-ha" - the clearest signal to all local cheers-patriots from Roscosmos ..


        what kind of signal? lol

        Quote: Dikson
        Did many of our astronauts ride the Shuttles?


        20 astronauts in 18 flights, few?

        Quote: Dikson
        So no new Russian astronaut will fly on new American ships ..


        Why do Russian astronauts fly on American ships when their ships are available? If the Americans are asked to begin cross-flights, then of course you can agree. And so it makes no sense.

        Quote: Dikson
        Mr. Rogozin can roll his lip .. Space cooperation has ended ..


        Why is that? lol ISS - it is common. There are no options. laughing

        Quote: Dikson
        And Americans will continue to buy and use materials, metals and our products .. - do they use Chinese? )))


        So not only Americans buy our products and materials. Just now, we have concluded another contract for the supply of our high-tech products for new European satellites.

      5. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 2 June 2020 08: 57 New
        0
        "my phones and computers" is too strong a word. Mediatek is still a Taiwanese company, like many others, and components are still manufactured in Taiwanese factories. Actually, a completely domestic, that is, a Chinese computer or smartphone (i.e. made in mainland China without foreign intellectual property and components, as well as with completely Chinese software) is a great rarity, in Russia it is difficult to find such computers on sale.
  • regdan
    regdan 1 June 2020 06: 42 New
    -10
    Well done Yankees. They said they did.
    1. Genry
      Genry 1 June 2020 09: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: regdan
      They said they did.

      With a delay of 11 years ...
      1. Roman123567
        Roman123567 1 June 2020 09: 35 New
        -5
        Belatedly these are our Hangars / Federations ..
        1. Genry
          Genry 1 June 2020 09: 59 New
          -1
          Quote: Roman123567
          Belatedly these are our Hangars / Federations ..

          Where are our late?
          They are unnecessary to fly to the ISS. Let the Americans fly to the moon (and preferably to Mars), even with the whole cobla.
          The Eagle is redundant. It will never be launched with a full crew. They began to design it when there was still no real AI development. Now all the work is supposed to be done by automated bots. A person is needed only for exceptional cases.
          1. martin-159
            martin-159 1 June 2020 14: 00 New
            +1
            Green grapes ...
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 1 June 2020 11: 37 New
      +3
      And this is just the beginning. After all, they have not one program. There are more.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 1 June 2020 06: 49 New
    21
    Basically, this is a long awaited event. It would be ridiculous to think that the states will not create what we and the Chinese have. It was only a matter of time. At the same time it will be a good kick to our Roscosmos, which, like a proud bird, does not "fly" without it. You should also not lose sight of the fact that the first successful start must be confirmed by some positive MTBF statistics. All this is not fatal for us.
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      1. aleks26
        aleks26 1 June 2020 09: 53 New
        13
        Quote: 9PA
        Do we have a return stage?))

        Is she so badly nada? All this rush with this step, as if it was a direct technical revolution in the space industry. Well, yes, a beautiful technical solution, no more. On the economic side, not everything is as curly-headed as it seems at first glance. To evaluate this, specific figures are needed. Including the costs of maintaining and maintaining the offshore platform, transportation of the stage, its troubleshooting. Paws weigh more than one and a half tons plus the fuel necessary to return the stage, this is minus the payload into space. So somewhere like that.
        1. 9PA
          9PA 1 June 2020 09: 56 New
          -6
          But with all this, the technology in bulk will simplify and reduce the cost of putting goods into orbit. What do we have? Besides Rogozinsky glory of Russia?
          1. aleks26
            aleks26 1 June 2020 10: 03 New
            14
            Quote: 9PA
            What do we have?

            And we have a manned flight program that has been working smoothly for a quarter of a century. What about you? The first manned flight in 11 years? Congratulations!
            1. 9PA
              9PA 1 June 2020 11: 12 New
              -6
              Through the efforts of the Mask, these technologies are becoming obsolete. What is our future? What do we have? Nuclear rocket?)))
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 1 June 2020 12: 18 New
                +2
                From the groundwork for the future, there is the development of a rocket propulsion jet rocket propelled rocket engine + rocket engine for aerospace aircraft, the demonstrator showed in 2016 and the development of a nuclear propulsion system for a space interplanetary tug.
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                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 1 June 2020 16: 40 New
                    0
                    No, it's millet, you dolbanko - backward from life.
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          2. Narak-zempo
            Narak-zempo 1 June 2020 12: 24 New
            +4
            Quote: 9PA
            But with all this, the technology in bulk will simplify and reduce the cost of putting goods into orbit. What do we have? Besides Rogozinsky glory of Russia?

            We are developing a nuclear interorbital tug. Google "energy transport module". Actually, "Rosatom" has already done its part, the word for "Roskosmos".
            Unlike the Mask crafts, this is truly a breakthrough development that can take manned space exploration to a new level. Because on a rocket, only suicides can fly beyond the orbit - radiation-s. To fly to Mars, it is necessary to increase the speed of the ships, and now they are working on this in Russia.
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        2. Grits
          Grits 1 June 2020 13: 27 New
          +4
          Quote: aleks26
          Is she so badly nada? All this rush with this step, as if it was a direct technical revolution in the space industry.

          Personally, I would not want to fly into space at a stage that has already been used once. And even more so, the third time ...
        3. andrew42
          andrew42 2 June 2020 13: 44 New
          +1
          Indeed, already tired of these dances with tambourines around the return stage. Mankind, or rather, units of billions, hang out essentially in cans above the surface of the planet, and nothing more. This has been happening for 50 years. These are NOT FLIGHTS. Well, why for this functional returnable modules that need to be tested for reuse even more carefully than newly assembled ones, and without guarantees. No reason.
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      1. Genry
        Genry 1 June 2020 09: 19 New
        +7
        Quote: 9PA
        The record for failure-free launches of the IBR belongs to the United States. A series of over 100 starts in a row

        Why then so many starts? Did something wrong work?
        1. 9PA
          9PA 1 June 2020 09: 59 New
          -5
          Trident 2 Rockets
          1. Genry
            Genry 1 June 2020 10: 05 New
            0
            Quote: 9PA
            Trident 2 Rockets

            Though T222. The number of test starts does not depend on the number.
            1. 9PA
              9PA 1 June 2020 10: 29 New
              -4
              These are successful launches.
              1. sevryuk
                sevryuk 1 June 2020 12: 13 New
                +3
                Right now, they would generally drink Bavarian ... angry
              2. forpost
                forpost 1 June 2020 13: 35 New
                +1
                Successful launches of people?
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 1 June 2020 06: 59 New
    14
    The fact of the matter is that ten years ago we already flew on manned vehicles and there were successful launches, but then there were also the Challenger and Columbia disasters ...
    So wait and see.
  • Hto tama
    Hto tama 1 June 2020 07: 10 New
    12
    Now, to be honest, I see no reason for pissimism. wink Healthy competition is the engine of the progess. Yes, and no one has yet denied the Russian proverb: - ​​until the roasted cock in the opera pecks, the man does not cross himself, in other words, until the Roskosmos had real competitors everything fell into decay, there were no new developments the old one was used touched yes Maybe now they will stop stealing, at least on such a scale, and will already begin to work, and not talk about trampolines repeat
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 1 June 2020 07: 18 New
      +2
      A good reason ... to carry out a "cleaning", inventory, audit and ... to provide the industry with conditions for normal, effective functioning!
    2. nemez
      nemez 1 June 2020 07: 20 New
      +2
      Stop stealing ?! Where the world is heading.
    3. military_cat
      military_cat 1 June 2020 08: 05 New
      -1
      Quote: hto tama
      while Roskosmos had no real competitors everything fell into decay, there were no new developments, the old backlog was used yes
      Well, Musk has already taken away the market for commercial launches from Roscosmos for several years, has Roskosmos moved far from the old groundwork somewhere else? The only way he has moved is to seek an explanation of why Musk actually took the market dishonestly and undeservedly. Surely here they will choose a similar path, the last time a ride.
      1. slipped
        slipped 1 June 2020 22: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: military_cat
        Well, Musk has already taken the market for commercial launches from Roskosmos for several years.


        This year we had two commercial launches - 68 spacecraft were launched and at least three more were planned, one of them being cluster with a large number of spacecraft.

        Quote: military_cat
        far Roscosmos advanced from the old backlog somewhere else?


        to Langrange point L2 is this far? laughing

        Quote: military_cat
        The only way he has moved is to seek an explanation of why Musk actually took the market dishonestly and undeservedly.


        Strange, he asked one thing and answered himself another. Do you think that this "market" is located only in America? laughing
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 1 June 2020 23: 01 New
          -3
          Lagrange, yes I respect ... But if for a comet. And so, it’s not interesting ..
          The bureaucracy guys strangled you, and you all about ...
          1. slipped
            slipped 1 June 2020 23: 22 New
            +2
            Quote: Shahno
            Lagrange, yes I respect ... But if for a comet. And so, it’s not interesting ..


            Figase belay Not only do we see and discover new sources of radiation in the depths of the Universe, we also looked into the Big Magellanic Cloud and consider accreting neutron stars and black holes. laughing

            And you comets ... some mundane desires you have .... laughing

            We examined the comet in detail in 1986, just the contingent on the VO does not know about it:



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      1. sevryuk
        sevryuk 1 June 2020 12: 17 New
        +6
        "Can a Russian peasant have a feeling against an educated person? Due to his lack of education, he cannot have any feeling. From my very childhood, as I hear, it happened," with a little one ", as if I would have thrown myself against the wall. I hate all of Russia, Marya Kondratyevna ...
        (...)
        In the twelfth year, there was a great invasion of Russia by the Emperor Napoleon the first of France, the present father, and it’s good if these very French conquered us then: an intelligent nation would have conquered a very stupid one, sir, and added to itself. There would even be completely different orders, sir. "
        Remind me how Smerdyakov finished?
        1. 9PA
          9PA 1 June 2020 12: 42 New
          -4
          You are any question on the plane, we are Russian God with us, we will throw our hats, we are pulling exceptional ones, right?) But you work somewhere, look what is now held in high esteem: loyalty, lizoblozhenie and just friendly (kindred) ties. And this is the case everywhere. Are education and qualifications held in high esteem today?
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 June 2020 07: 14 New
    +9
    Crew Dragon “snorted and puffed all the way to orbit”, which surprised astronauts who “couldn’t understand who was lucky”
    Very figuratively and with a sense of humor. The second day about this, someone is drowning in joyful ecstasy, someone is expressing sound thoughts. Probably it's time to pause before landing.
  • konchitawurst
    konchitawurst 1 June 2020 07: 17 New
    -24
    Rogozin Musk replied on Twitter that the "trampoline" works. Rogozin disgraced himself with trampolines. They wiped his nose along the most vertical line.
    1. Lontus
      Lontus 1 June 2020 08: 10 New
      21
      Strange - why do some try to make fun of a trampoline?

      Trampoline is used from 2011 to 2020.
      And it’ll work - there are contracts.

      A minimum of 9 years of work experience and dozens of flights without casualties is a very deserved and respected product. There were no manned space systems with such achievements outside Russia

      Trampoline monument can be put!
    2. Genry
      Genry 1 June 2020 09: 24 New
      12
      Quote: konchitawurst
      Musk replied on Twitter that the "trampoline" works. Rogozin disgraced himself with the trampolines. They wiped his nose along the very vertical line.

      Who wiped his nose? For mad grandmothers and with screams finally flew .... It is still unclear with what reliability.
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    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 1 June 2020 08: 20 New
      19
      Quote: Lontus
      But this is only the tip of the iceberg of all the madness of the Russian government. While a riot of unrest is raging across the country due to poverty, cars and houses are being burnt, shops are being looted, funds are being spent on the space program. Instead of supporting small and medium-sized businesses, money is burned in the craziest way.

      Great trolling, colleague !!!
      I'm afraid in the morning he was a little overlooked ... laughing
      I also, like you, do not understand. The Americans make grandiose PR out of every success, but they do not notice all the failures, or they blame them on the "Russian trace" ... Rogozin got sick, and he said about the trampoline in response to the American sanctions !!! Do you regret not being banned from flying to the ISS? But not me. My acquaintances with Energomash said that they had a lot of equipment for amerovskie money from the sale of RD. Roskosmos also received money for the launches, they built rockets, the factories worked, the subcontractors also fell ...
  • Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 1 June 2020 08: 08 New
    +4
    With space, it will soon be like with Everest, where crowds of tourists risk their lives and empty their wallet in order to take photos on top and boast in social networks. Cosmos used to serve science, and now it will also serve the satisfaction of show-offs.
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 1 June 2020 09: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: Andrey Krasnoyarsky
      Cosmos used to serve science, and now it will also serve the satisfaction of show-offs.

      Ponte bring money. And it is not known what is more today - science or Ponte ... Therefore: show must go on. Forever!
  • unhappy
    unhappy 1 June 2020 08: 10 New
    +6
    Space race? belay with whom?
    Trump flies to Mars belay belay belay
    And this man rules America.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 June 2020 12: 27 New
      -4
      There is no doubt that the United States will send the manned ship to Mars first; there is no need to work to its fullest and with each new year, NASA will allocate more and more money for various programs and there the Bezos and Mask offices will tighten up in cooperation.
      1. unhappy
        unhappy 1 June 2020 14: 58 New
        +1
        A coin can fall on an eagle or tails, can stand on an edge, can freeze in the air - according to probability theory and a well-known anecdote. laughing
      2. slipped
        slipped 1 June 2020 22: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        work goes to its fullest


        and isolation experiments with real crews are going on at our IBMP laughing

  • Operator
    Operator 1 June 2020 08: 22 New
    +7
    Unemployment in the United States reached the level of the Great Depression of 1929, curfews were imposed in the 25 largest cities, the world's largest mortality from coronavirus is increasing by the hour and by the clock, Trump is sitting in an anti-nuclear bunker due to racial unrest in the capital, but still crows from under the ground about flying to Mars laughing
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 June 2020 12: 29 New
      -1
      And how many people in the United States out of 320 million riot?
      1. Operator
        Operator 1 June 2020 15: 34 New
        +3
        42 million plus family members, of course. Riot is not the right word, or rather, rebellion: Salt Lake City, today (like America, baby) laughing

        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 1 June 2020 16: 43 New
          +1
          4 million yes - 42 million I do not believe.
          1. Operator
            Operator 1 June 2020 16: 47 New
            -2
            In the USA, 400 million small arms are in the hands of the population: 4 million people will start, and 200 million will be tightened (the number of US forces along with reservists is 2 million people) bully
    2. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 1 June 2020 17: 53 New
      -4
      Gathered all the gossip?
      The market is now up and up.
      1. Operator
        Operator 1 June 2020 19: 54 New
        -2
        Well, exactly the same as before October 24, 1929 bully
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 1 June 2020 08: 22 New
    +7
    a major victory for the United States, which took a big step in the space race.

    In Russia, such victories 4 per year.

    In the usa ....first for 10 years.

    and this is with their money .....
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 June 2020 12: 36 New
      -2
      We are waiting for the flight of the remaining three manned ships Dream Chaser, Orion, CST-100 Starliner
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 1 June 2020 12: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        We are waiting for the flight of the remaining three manned ships Dream Chaser, Orion, CST-100 Starliner

        So far, the first has only made 0,5 flights ..
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 1 June 2020 16: 47 New
          -1
          Well, actually, manned Dragon 2 already flew to the ISS and returned in unmanned mode the second time it flew when they tested CAC and all the materials of the parachute control system and everything else were tested 19 times on the cargo version and hundreds more times on the ground - the ship is working and will work farther.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 1 June 2020 20: 50 New
            -1
            Quote: Vadim237
            Well actually manned Dragon 2 has already flown to the ISS and was returning in unmanned mode

            No

            Demo manned the launch with two astronauts on board took place 30 May 2020 years
            Quote: Vadim237
            the ship is working and will continue to work.

            Let him.

            In the meantime, he performed 0,5 manned flight..

            How reliable is it we will see in three years.
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    1. stalki
      stalki 1 June 2020 09: 10 New
      +6
      laughing no show off, no screaming? Humorist.
      1. Jünger
        Jünger 1 June 2020 09: 59 New
        0
        Quote: stalki
        no show off, no screaming? Humorist.

        I meant the state. level. What, Trump and the State Department rattled something about "having no analogues in the world" about Musk's activities? So I missed something. Musk may have drunk, but he is a private person - he is supposed to sell him.
        Americans, when they see that abroad something is better than theirs, they do not shout about the ruined industry and the increased retirement age, but begin to do this abroad in the United States or buy. Also a very robust approach.
        1. stalki
          stalki 1 June 2020 10: 10 New
          +1
          We don’t shout duck either, the liberals are tearing their throats, and those who work do it silently. hi
        2. gurzuf
          gurzuf 1 June 2020 12: 44 New
          0
          "I meant at the state level." Do not remind me who said about super duper rockets ??? wink
  • Ren
    Ren 1 June 2020 08: 25 New
    +5
    Well, the first successful Crew Dragon manned flight, committed not just anywhere, but to the Russian ISS[u] [/ u], could very well become the starting point of a new chapter in Russian-American cooperation.

    Something this passage is not clear to me when the ISS (international space station) became Russian? belay
    ... Although conceit excites. lol
    1. Genry
      Genry 1 June 2020 09: 28 New
      -4
      Quote: Ren
      When did the ISS (International Space Station) become Russian?

      Inhabited compartments manufactured by Russia. The Americans just bought their part.
      1. zlinn
        zlinn 1 June 2020 10: 52 New
        +8
        Russia made 5 of the 15 inhabited modules, the remaining 10 are made in the United States, Italy and Japan, and by weight, 85% of the stations are not Russian
        1. UserGun
          UserGun 1 June 2020 11: 36 New
          0
          Do not bother a person to fantasize, otherwise he will suddenly also launch Science on the ISS)))
      2. UserGun
        UserGun 1 June 2020 11: 20 New
        +2
        Truth ?! Do you think the ISS consists of 4 modules? ))))) Is it nothing that only Italy built 3 modules? )))
        1. Genry
          Genry 1 June 2020 12: 42 New
          0
          Quote: UserGun
          Is it nothing that only Italy built 3 modules?

          Italy built the Tranquility (waste disposal plant) and supervised the construction of the Dome (a barrel with windows from the European Union). The dome, in fact, acts as a "plug" for the docking station, in which the people "relax".
          And the third module ???
          1. UserGun
            UserGun 1 June 2020 13: 49 New
            0
            Columbus je))) Are you still running to the toilet in the forest ??? ))) Because at home (inhabited compartment) its netut ??? )))
            1. Genry
              Genry 1 June 2020 14: 05 New
              0
              Quote: UserGun
              Columbus je))) Are you still running to the toilet in the forest ???

              Is there a toilet in the science module? You haven’t messed up anything?
              1. UserGun
                UserGun 1 June 2020 14: 11 New
                0
                No, I'm talking about the inhabited compartment of Tranquility, which you are telling us about with contempt))) It belongs to the inhabited section (residential), doesn't it? By the way, the same can be attributed to the Russian compartment "Zvezda"))) He's also a sewer, according to your deep knowledge, because there is a toilet there)))
                1. Genry
                  Genry 1 June 2020 14: 15 New
                  0
                  Tranquility contains a powerful installation for the processing of water-containing waste and the production of regenerated water.
                  And no contempt ...
                  1. UserGun
                    UserGun 1 June 2020 14: 17 New
                    0
                    But in the Russian module it means this is not, right? Do we understand you correctly? )))
                    1. Genry
                      Genry 1 June 2020 14: 19 New
                      0
                      In Russian, only liquids regenerate.
                      1. UserGun
                        UserGun 1 June 2020 14: 23 New
                        0
                        Well, that's good, just like in the Italian module))) Goodbye!
                      2. Genry
                        Genry 1 June 2020 16: 48 New
                        +2
                        Quote: UserGun
                        Well, that’s good, just like in the Italian module

                        Not at all ... I didn’t want to spoil your appetite. sad
  • Glory1974
    Glory1974 1 June 2020 08: 36 New
    13
    On "Echo of Moscow" they sing the praises of Musk and his ship. They call "Dragon" the embodiment of the achievements of our era. They compare our missiles like Zhiguli and Mercedes. It's disgusting to listen to.
    At the same time, I am tormented by the question: in the 21st century, the "Dragon" docked to the ISS after 19 hours of flight. And 50 years ago, the Americans, taking off from the moon, docked to the ship in orbit in 2 hours.
    1. Avior
      Avior 1 June 2020 09: 05 New
      -3
      The moon is smaller and its attractive force is several times less than that of the Earth, so the ships go into orbit along different trajectories.
      They do not fly in a straight line, but in a spiral.
      1. Genry
        Genry 1 June 2020 09: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: Avior
        The moon is smaller and its attractive force is several times less than that of the Earth, so the ships go into orbit along different trajectories.

        The force of gravity is not necessary here!
        The difference in the accuracy of ballistic calculations and the effectiveness of the course correction system.
        1. Avior
          Avior 1 June 2020 12: 21 New
          0
          you are here
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/Гомановская_траектория
          When taking off from the moon, this procedure is much easier to do than from Earth.
          but about the fact that
          The difference in the accuracy of ballistic calculations and the effectiveness of the course correction system.
          influences, then this is obvious and no one argues with that
          1. Genry
            Genry 1 June 2020 12: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: Avior
            When taking off from the moon, this procedure is much easier to do than from Earth.

            Why?
            Of course, I'm not a professional, but I don’t see the difference between the Earth and the Moon. All factors work proportionally.
            1. Avior
              Avior 1 June 2020 12: 59 New
              0
              far from always proportional
              The diameter of the moon is 4 times smaller than the Earth, and gravity is 6 times smaller.
              The first cosmic velocity for an orbit located near the surface of the Earth is 7,91 km / s [2].
              - this is the speed of the first satellite
              For the moon, the first space is 1,68.

              There is no atmosphere on the moon, the mass is much smaller and the dimensions are the same.
              Therefore, the orbit of Apollo 15, for example, around the moon was at an altitude of about 100 by 17 kilometers, that is, the orbital part came very close to the surface of the moon, 17 km.
              The ISS has an orbit height of approximately 400 km, it is almost round.
              Correspondingly, the trajectory of orbiting from the Moon is incomparably simpler than from the Earth; therefore, it was quickly launched.
              hi
              1. Genry
                Genry 1 June 2020 14: 59 New
                +2
                Thanks for the explanation.
                But, sorry, not convinced ....
                Your considerations relate to the necessary power of the rocket engine for separation from the surface, but in no way explain the time of approach to the necessary point of the orbit along the Gomanovsky trajectory (at almost the same angular velocity). She is here (for an elliptical orbit near the moon), in my opinion, not involved.
                hi
  • Nikolay87
    Nikolay87 1 June 2020 08: 37 New
    +4
    I'd like to wish Elon Musk his team success in their work. After all, only this "pike" can make "our crucian to swim more vigorously." hi
    1. Willywonka
      Willywonka 1 June 2020 14: 42 New
      -3
      The pike that will make the "crucian" swim more vigorously is called private property. As soon as this institute starts working, our "Mask" and courts and everything else will appear.
      1. Nikolay87
        Nikolay87 1 June 2020 18: 39 New
        0
        S7 is not a private company? or can someone stop you from starting your own company? Do you have property taken away in favor of the state?
        1. Willywonka
          Willywonka 9 June 2020 07: 15 New
          0
          S7, yes, private. AND? Does this somehow cancel the fact that private property as such is conditional on us, as indeed has always been the case in Russia? That is, it either was not there, or it was conditional. At least 1 million private companies can be declared, however, private property implies the existence of a legally protected right of an individual or legal entity... And here questions arise. Ok, let's take an example. Zenit Arena and the Krasnodar Galitsky Stadium. Do you have any questions about the construction time or the efficiency of spending? I don't think so. Galitsky financed it from personal funds, being at that time the main shareholder of Magnit. What happened to Magnet a little later? The problem is that commercial disputes are not resolved in courts, that is, the owner is not protected. There was Chichvarkin's Euroset, and "suddenly" the leaders of one very large company decided to "cool it down", that is, to create conditions under which the cost of Euroset became cheap. As a result, Chicha sold the asset cheaply and dumped it in Foggy Albion. There are many such examples. No guarantees ..... Courts give guarantees ..... "independent" courts.
          1. Nikolay87
            Nikolay87 9 June 2020 11: 00 New
            0
            I will not argue with you about what could have happened if we had a different, more advanced, not effective development model, since for me, capitalism is the real and only obstacle to the prudent space exploration.
            1. Willywonka
              Willywonka 9 June 2020 15: 35 New
              0
              Blue Origin or Space X, I think, disagree with you. It's all about too. Any private company is more efficient. As for capitalism, then, dear, we have never had it at all, as well as feudalism. It is impossible to skip the historical stage of development. The same Japan had the system closest to feudalism. "In the center of Western society is private property" - V.V. Putin .... and he is right.
              1. Nikolay87
                Nikolay87 9 June 2020 17: 08 New
                0
                If we do not have capitalism, as well as feudalism, and we cannot skip the historical stage of development, then according to YOURS now what do we have ?! Slavery?! wassat
  • Dargavs
    Dargavs 1 June 2020 08: 47 New
    +8
    Just the appearance of a real competitor in a particular market for services, Rogozin (Roscosmos) has still quite successfully used his monopoly and cut down the optimal amount of dough (if simple). But nothing happens forever, so it’s very good, free money has ended, so now you need to become active and work, work and work.
    P.S. How many years here at VO they discussed the money that they won back, for several programs so far they have chosen the optimal one (actually this money was a simple resident of Minneapolis who did not have enough twenty dollars (the catchphrase is the money of taxpayers).
    1. pereselenec
      pereselenec 1 June 2020 09: 17 New
      -5
      Quote: DargAVS
      Just the appearance of a real competitor in a particular service market

      Musk is just the first bell - there are still a couple of manned ships from two other players in the wings.

      Quote: DargAVS
      Rogozin (Roscosmos) has still quite successfully used his monopoly and cut down the optimal amount of dough (if simple).

      To put it simply, Rogozin did not "cut down" the dough, but "sawed off" and with the provision of services in the international market, this has nothing to do.

      1. Genry
        Genry 1 June 2020 09: 36 New
        +7
        Quote: pereselenec
        To put it simply, Rogozin did not "cut down" the dough, but "sawed off" and with the provision of services in the international market, this has nothing to do.

        In fact, you're lying, because Rogozin was appointed precisely to restore order in the East, which he did.
    2. sevryuk
      sevryuk 1 June 2020 12: 23 New
      0
      “You are not Dostoevsky,” said the citizen, confused by Koroviev.
      “Well, how much to know, how much to know,” he answered.
      “Dostoevsky died,” said the citizen, but somehow not very confidently.
      - How!
      “I protest,” the hippo exclaimed warmly. - Dostoevsky is immortal!
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 1 June 2020 09: 07 New
    +5
    What will this mean? First of all, Russia's loss, albeit not of such a long, but absolute monopoly on manned space flights.

    That's good. Monopoly, especially "absolute" - is harmful primarily for the monopolist himself. Makes you relax, resting on your laurels. And everyone knows what they do with the relaxed and sleeping ... belay
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 1 June 2020 12: 36 New
      +1
      You are definitely right
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 1 June 2020 09: 10 New
    +7
    As for "snorting", they are clearly joking. Such behavior of the rocket would mean that the outflow of the mixture is uneven, and then a disaster. Maybe people are not used to the sounds of attitude motors?
    And so the Americans should clearly be congratulated. Not only was it finally possible to achieve the achievement of the King Sergey Palych, but even, incredibly, to achieve the level of automatic control of the ship! Before, the Americans on their primitive carts turned everything on manually ... finally reached the Soviet missiles of the early 70s of the last century. True, well done!
    1. Genry
      Genry 1 June 2020 09: 43 New
      0
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Such a behavior of the rocket would mean that the outflow of the mixture is uneven, and then a disaster. Are people unaccustomed to the sounds of orientation engines?

      Just they are familiar.
      It’s just that the Dragon’s engines are right next to you, through a thin shell. And each on-off is accompanied by a hydro-shock of fuel on the shut-off valve (this was the cause of previous accidents). Astronauts just think how many inclusions are needed for the probability of accidents shown in the tests to work.
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 1 June 2020 12: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Genry
        Astronauts just think how many inclusions are needed for the probability of accidents shown in the tests to work.

        Like, "They pray that the insurance won't let you down"? ©
        And so the stress is not weak, but here it is ... Soothing can not be, after all, for sure, so as not to dull the reaction. And soon - yet to come home.
        My sister, when she flies to rest, always dilutes half a bottle of Coke with something like that. repeat This does not fit here ...
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  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 1 June 2020 09: 16 New
    -1
    The fact that Musk launched a manned missile, as promised, is well done. You can only congratulate him. It's a shame (to put it mildly) that Roscosmos did not finish what it was planning, did not launch into space what they promised ...
    1. Genry
      Genry 1 June 2020 09: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Alexander X
      It's a shame (to put it mildly) that Roscosmos did not finish what it was planning, did not launch into space what they promised ...

      You take offense early ...
      You just need to navigate the information. Roskosmos will have a lot of interesting things this year. And a new compartment on the ISS and launches of new rocket carriers and Martian-lunar vehicles.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 1 June 2020 13: 06 New
        +2
        1) Science was again transferred:
        Rogozin said that the launch of the Science module for the ISS will take place in 2021
        2 April 2020.

        2) The Martian apparatus was moved to 2022 (but the Chinese have their Rover and the Americans their improved Curiosity + the first Marisan UAV helicopter - they launch this summer):
        ExoMars was postponed for two years. Including due to coronavirus
        Russian and European developers decided to postpone the launch of the ExoMars joint scientific mission for two years - in 2022. This is the second transfer of the launch, which was originally planned for 2018.

        3) The moon next year:
        The device "Luna-25" should fly to the moon on October 1, 2021
        The launch of the Russian Luna-25 spacecraft to the moon is scheduled for October 1, 2021. The reserve date is October 30, Igor Mitrofanov, head of the department of nuclear planetology at the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences, said at a meeting of the Space Council of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

        This year there will be boring things about Roscosmos launches. The most interesting first Arctic - Spacecraft will provide round-the-clock all-weather monitoring of the Earth's surface and the seas of the Arctic Ocean, as well as constant reliable communication and other telecommunication services.

        Well, a hangar with concrete (or a Lada will be screwed up - bite off the Mask !!!).
        1. slipped
          slipped 1 June 2020 22: 46 New
          0
          Quote: donavi49
          This year there will be boring things about Roscosmos launches.


          something tells me you're wrong laughing

          I'm waiting for Progress MS-13 undocking - after undocking from the ISS, which is planned for July 2020, the spacecraft will take part in an experiment on highly detailed imaging of the planet's surface as part of the Bend experiment. To do this, the ship will descend to an altitude of 120-130 kilometers, and a scientific container will be launched from it on a long Kevlar cable with fiber optic for a contact study of the atmosphere.

          Such a "Open sky" laughing
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 2 June 2020 07: 55 New
            0
            For this, the ship will go down to a height of 120-130 kilometers, and a scientific container for a contact study of the atmosphere will be launched from it on a long Kevlar cable with optical fiber.


            So this is boring stuff. Moreover, without a collective farm, 2 missiles are made (British Skulor this year) - just for ultrashort-lived rubbish bins and containers that will do what you described in Bend.
            1. slipped
              slipped 2 June 2020 21: 40 New
              0
              Quote: donavi49
              For this, the ship will go down to a height of 120-130 kilometers, and a scientific container for a contact study of the atmosphere will be launched from it on a long Kevlar cable with optical fiber.


              So this is boring stuff. Moreover, without a collective farm, 2 missiles are made (British Skulor this year) - just for ultrashort-lived rubbish bins and containers that will do what you described in Bend.


              Nightmare, compared kubsat with full-fledged optical instruments lol
  • Dargavs
    Dargavs 1 June 2020 09: 28 New
    +7
    Quote: pereselenec
    To put it simply, Rogozin did not "cut down" the dough, but "sawed off" and with the provision of services in the international market, this has nothing to do.

    Please tell me if "Rogozin drank" (receiving real money from the United States for flights) then Musk (Bezos, etc.), what did you do? Did you collect them from charity by SMS? or on "Granny's legacy were built"? this has long been discussed here. The USA had to spend money on the program, and they had no option, otherwise they would have lagged behind for a very long time.
  • strelokmira
    strelokmira 1 June 2020 10: 25 New
    +1
    About how, but in other sources completely different information
    Before approaching the ISS, astronauts even slept a little: the ship turned out to be a rather convenient place to sleep. “We slept well last night,” Benken said before arriving at the ISS. “We were surprised, I think, by how well we actually slept aboard the ship: here it’s a little quieter than on Space Shuttle, and a little more environmentally friendly.” Space Dragon even has a toilet in case team members need to use the amenities during the flight (although the crew did not say if it was used).

    https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/31/21271269/spacex-docking-iss-crew-dragon-nasa-success
  • littlebear
    littlebear 1 June 2020 11: 08 New
    +3
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: Evil543
    Previously, I started it by the word, they meant the constructor, but now the de-fictitious manager, the designers are not mentioned.

    Previously, every teenager knew the names of the great Korolev, Voskresensky, Glushko. And now Rogozin is everywhere, and who he still doesn’t understand.

    I am ashamed not to know who Rogozin is.
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 1 June 2020 11: 21 New
      +4
      I imagined the master’s ceremonies in a wig, beating a rod (?) On the floor and loudly declaring Dmitry Olegovich entering the palace hall ... some baroness would faint with envy ...
      1. Iris
        Iris 1 June 2020 12: 36 New
        0
        It remains to develop the design of the rod. I offer a rod in the form of a stylized R-7.
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    2. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 1 June 2020 12: 44 New
      0
      I am ashamed not to know who Rogozin is.

      or like this
    3. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 1 June 2020 17: 59 New
      0
      Immediately obvious, a humble comrade. Or photoshop?
    4. brat07
      brat07 3 June 2020 01: 49 New
      0
      Quote: littlebear
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Quote: Evil543
      Previously, I started it by the word, they meant the constructor, but now the de-fictitious manager, the designers are not mentioned.

      Previously, every teenager knew the names of the great Korolev, Voskresensky, Glushko. And now Rogozin is everywhere, and who he still doesn’t understand.

      I am ashamed not to know who Rogozin is.

      Another fake of this door with a sign that walks on the network. To begin with, take an interest in who is actually the dean of the RCT MSTU. Bauman.
  • igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 1 June 2020 11: 48 New
    -3
    It is possible that next time it will crash. To find out how reliable, you need a lot of time.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 June 2020 12: 42 New
      -1
      No matter where it crashes, all materials and control systems have already been tested 19 times on the Cargo Dragon in real flights and descents, as well as in hundreds of tests on the ground.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 1 June 2020 12: 52 New
      +1
      Well, this rocket flew 85 times, crashed once and then not in flight, on the preflight.
  • Lelek
    Lelek 1 June 2020 11: 49 New
    0
    “Now we will soon land on Mars, and we will have the greatest weapons imaginable!”

    As the Italians say: "It is not enough to want, you need to stand."
  • Kushka
    Kushka 1 June 2020 12: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Halpat
    "Snorted all the way"
    Troilus engine? Low-quality gasoline or counterfeit Bosch candles caught?
    laughing

    And we can there 8, then seven. So both teapots-
    there is a minus hoo-and suction pull out?
  • Kushka
    Kushka 1 June 2020 12: 21 New
    +6
    Back in 2016, while in California at a Tesla car dealership, I was surprised to learn that about 30% of the cost of a car is covered by the State (!)

    The final price tag was, however, very good, about $ 36 thousand for the Tesla ModelX

    Then I first wondered about the role of the state in Ilon’s success.

    But first, I’ll tell you what role the Russians played in creating SpaseX;)

    In 2001, Musk, burning with the idea of ​​colonizing Mars, tried to buy cheap rockets from Russia, but returned empty-handed after he could not find the rockets at an affordable price.

    On the way home, Musk realized that he could create a company that would produce the affordable missiles he needed.

    With the help of experts, Musk calculated that the cost of creating a rocket actually amounted to only 3% of the selling price (!!!) This was a key point for making a decision.

    Using vertical integration, producing about 85% of its own launch equipment, and a modular approach from software development, SpaceX can reduce the launch price by a factor of ten and still get 70% of the profit.


    Now for the money.

    The state of the mask is estimated today at $ 37,2 billion.


    Musk earned his first serious money on selling In 1997, Zip2, a company specializing in software for news companies.
    Musk received 7% of the sale - $ 22 million

    Created by PayPal Mask in October 2002, eBay bought it for $ 1,5 billion.

    At the time of the sale, the Mask owned an 11,7% stake in the company - $ 180 million

    In March 2018, Tesla shareholders voted to increase the salary of Ilon Mask to $ 3 billion per year (!) But Musk received the bulk of the money for business development from the government.

    The first news I found said that, as of 2015, the Mask empire’s business received almost $ 5 billion from the US government. But in fact, the amount is much larger.


    We would like to work with budget money as the usual term, but Musk is a respected businessman and therefore not allowed)

    In particular, by the amounts that I found:

    1. New York State spends $ 750 million to build a Buffalo solar panel factory for SolarCity.

    2. A company from San Mateo, California, will lease the plant for $ 1 per year. He would not pay property taxes for a decade, which would otherwise be about $ 260 million.

    3. The federal government provides grants or tax incentives to cover 30% of the cost of solar installations. SolarCity announced receipt of $ 497,5 million in direct grants from the Ministry of Finance.

    4. Since 2006, SolarCity has installed systems for 217 customers, according to the Union of Scientists - government spending totaled about $ 595 billion, including treasury grants paid by SolarCity.

    5. Nevada agreed to provide Tesla with $ 1,3 billion in benefits to help build a large battery factory near Reno.

    6. SpaceX received $ 20 million in subsidies from Texas to build a missile system there.

    7. In addition to incentives, SpaceX received more than $ 5,5 billion in government contracts from NASA and the US Air Force.

    8. In August 2012, SpaceX won a $ 440 million US grant from NASA to design and develop the next-generation spacecraft to deliver passengers into orbit.

    9. In 2014, NASA provided SpaceX $ 2,6 billion for certification and safety testing of its Dragon space capsule.

    10. At the end of 2013, Tesla gathered seven state economic development officials to its car factory in Fremont, California, after which Tesla provided $ 195 million in transfer tax benefits that the automaker could sell for cash (!)

    11. To provide incentives in its budget, Nevada reduced incentives for other sectors in the state and excluded tax incentives for insurance companies.

    12. Gigafactory in Nevada (daughter of Tesla) receives state assistance in the amount of $ 1,25 billion from the state government for 20 years

    It is important to note that Musk invested quite actively in politicians, both in Democrats and in Republicans). Very wisely.

    So Musk is not just a technological genius, but also a competent lobbyist.

    At the same time, given the large infusions of state money, it is hardly possible to consider his business, as well as SpaseX flights private.

    Although everything looks beautiful.
    1. slipped
      slipped 1 June 2020 22: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: Kushka
      In 2001, Musk, burning with the idea of ​​colonizing Mars, tried to buy cheap rockets from Russia, but returned empty-handed after he could not find the rockets at an affordable price.


      a little bit wrong - this one was trying to buy two RS-20B ICBMs for $ 8 million lol Of course I would be sent far and long ....
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 1 June 2020 12: 31 New
    0
    However, these expectations did not materialize - the separation from the Falcon 9 was "pretty tough", albeit with "acceptable" overloads.

    I put it very diplomatically. We read between the lines: guys, if you don't want your asses to turn into a chop, fly the Soyuz.
    This, by the way, puts an end to SpaceX's supposedly expected million-dollar tourism revenues. If the trained astronauts were "harsh", then the unprepared old man-billionaire may be enough for Kondraty.
  • -ш-
    -ш- 1 June 2020 12: 33 New
    +3
    what is the victory? ... victory over the disgrace that they eliminated by flying passengers?
  • Brodyaga19
    Brodyaga19 1 June 2020 12: 47 New
    0
    And who said that the ISS is Russian? It’s international, actually.
  • Grigory Dedenko
    Grigory Dedenko 1 June 2020 13: 20 New
    +1
    I would answer Ilona Mask with my poem, which I wrote for the 75th anniversary of Vnukovo Airport, moreover, this airport will become a spaceport, because it will build a terminal for receiving space shuttles, the heirs of BURANA.

    Vnukovo, 75

    Harbour Air,
    The ships in her take off
    Vnukovo breathes -
    And everyone knows that.

    Us journalists
    Gathered on a flight
    And they launch
    In a big plane.

    Flight to Anniversary
    Seventy fifth
    Quietly Kemarit
    My neighbor is shaggy.

    Silt buzzed
    Turbines howled
    The terrier sniffs
    Not hearing the car.

    I took the newspaper
    I thought nevertheless
    How long will it take us to fly?
    Will they feed too?

    Here announces
    We are the commander
    You buckle up
    We fly through the ether!

    What does it mean?
    This monologue
    For a long time I’m good at it,
    I could not take it.

    Suddenly changed
    The colors outside the window
    From the blue
    On greens with smoke.

    Planet Pandora
    In the constellation Lyra,
    Then I realized
    The words of the commander,

    Flew by in an instant
    Hundreds of parsecs
    Through the warp gates
    Our run was frisky.

    We landed
    Everyone is amazed
    The cameras click
    Embarrassment on the faces.

    What can I say?
    The verse concludes
    It's a dream,
    A dream - but a big one!

    In the anniversary year,
    Seventy fifth
    Fly to the stars -
    Be winged!

    10.06.2016
  • Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 1 June 2020 13: 24 New
    0
    There was good money ... crying
  • Andrey the Magnificent
    Andrey the Magnificent 1 June 2020 13: 30 New
    +2
    Because snorted)))
    bully
  • Venya Selnikov
    Venya Selnikov 1 June 2020 13: 46 New
    +1
    The greater "stiffness" of the Dragon in comparison with the Shuttle (namely with him) is not surprising - they are of very different masses.
    Inertness always has a positive effect on smoothness. The shuttle was generally a comfortable bus compared to all these small capsules. On the descent, the wangyu will also shake harder than in the Shuttle.
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 1 June 2020 14: 17 New
    -4
    I think Musk will give Rogozin a trampoline for his birthday. and it will be correct ....
  • senima56
    senima56 1 June 2020 14: 20 New
    -5
    We need to buy Ilona Mask. good And Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin send trampolines to weave! lol
  • zoland
    zoland 1 June 2020 14: 44 New
    -3
    Quote: Cheshire
    hi
    I would suggest my option:
    Go Russia!

    Back and forth to the 20th century
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 1 June 2020 14: 47 New
    +4
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Rogozin will soon launch Angara

    But it’s possible to be more specific especially if fate has already changed

    Didn’t the dragon change?
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 1 June 2020 15: 10 New
    +1
    Assess the situation from the other side. The collapse of the USSR. Parallels with the current situation in the USA are very much similar:
    1.Oil fell, well, and now fell.
    2. We in Afghanistan fulfilled an international duty and proudly left, and the Yankees did their duty there, I don’t know what, probably we will raise the production of heroin, but they also proudly leave.
    3. A dude with a beautiful bald head sat in power, carrying a snowstorm on every corner, and now there is a dude with a very good hairdo and also a snowstorm.
    4. We have surrendered all of our own, so they with all of our trans ...
    5.We sat on an oil needle, and so they sit on typing papers.
    6. We have local commissars staged a showdown at the district level, and their donkeys and elephants hit such a showdown that they will soon arrange shooting in Congress.
    7. In our country, our Central Asian Chingachgooks began to cut each other under the flag of a revival of national color, so they have now put half the country on the ears of the country exclusively because of oppression and the struggle for oppression. .
    8. In our country, after a serious and thoughtful investigation of Mr. Sobchak on the situation in Tbilisi, the army and the police were afraid to fart towards democracy, and so now they, the police and national guards, are once again afraid to pick up the baton and fall into the paws of enraged democratic journalists .
    9. AND FINALLY, AT US IN 1988 THE BURAN flew. THEM IN 2020 THE MASK FL flew !!!!!!
    We stock up on comrade popcorn.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 1 June 2020 18: 04 New
      -5
      Again stories about the "collapse of the United States"? Not tired? I remember in 2008 it was predicted, when the crisis was and the balabol Bush was in power. Then, under Obama, they say the black can do nothing. I am already silent about the good old Soviet propaganda, which has been broadcasting about the decaying West since the 60s. As a result, the USSR is long gone, we had not built communism by 2000, but the West is still rotting and still accepting specialists from "getting up from their knees."
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 1 June 2020 15: 17 New
    +5
    "One snowflake, not yet snow, not yet snow, one rain, not yet rain." Soviet song. Let's not rush and make a comedy or a tragedy out of one successful start. Otherwise, “Challenger” with “Columbia” can be remembered.
  • vovan089
    vovan089 1 June 2020 15: 33 New
    -4
    Instead of launching the Angara, Rogozin, along with his nano-capable son, will finally finish off the aerospace industry ...
    How can you entrust such work to a rogue and an adventurer .....
  • Yuri Nemov
    Yuri Nemov 1 June 2020 15: 48 New
    0
    All right, Khan planet. Trump will now burn everyone with his space superweapon. America always brings war.
    1. Leonid Batsura
      Leonid Batsura 2 June 2020 21: 36 New
      -1
      Well yes! "Soyuz" to the ISS delivers only two people. Therefore, only two people fit in the local drygun. And this is symptomatic
  • ximkim
    ximkim 1 June 2020 16: 01 New
    -3
    If the Americans develop the moon and Mars, then there will appear plants that will produce high-tech products (and maybe Trump's dream) instead of pipes for selling raw materials to other planets.
  • Diviz
    Diviz 1 June 2020 17: 19 New
    0
    Americans finally caught up with us in delivery to the ISS in quality terms. But at the expense of Mars and the moon, not everything is clear and smooth. There are no engines that could allow the ships to move freely through space. A new principle of engine operation is needed. I think it’s at least 100 years old. maybe until 2050, as you predicted, you know who. And you yourself understand first the military sphere and then the civilian one. Cold war after all.
    1. Leonid Batsura
      Leonid Batsura 2 June 2020 21: 33 New
      -1
      Well yes! They say a holiday in Roskosmos: Finally, "April 12, 1961, there was a holiday on the American street"
  • Alexander Antipov
    Alexander Antipov 1 June 2020 18: 00 New
    0
    Well, the first successful manned flight Crew Dragon, committed not anywhere, but to the Russian ISS
    For the illiterate author of the article, I will decipher the abbreviation ISS: International Space Station.