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The trampoline worked. Where now will Russia throw in space?

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So, we can confidently state the fact that a new era has begun. The era of the US return to first roles in space.


Actually, the Americans with their number of launched spacecraft, flights to other planets and celestial bodies had only a cherry on the cake with the inscription "space": this is the resumption of spacecraft flights with the crew on board.

The language does not turn to call it a manned flight, everything is 100% automatic, everything is needed only in the most critical case when it comes to its safety. And so - yes, computers rule in the truest sense of the word.

And so - that’s all, the private Falcon 9 with the Crew Dragon manned ship not only successfully launched, but also flew to the ISS and docked to the station.

A new era has begun.


Now many of our patriots will begin to accuse me of rejoicing for the Americans. Yes, I'm really happy. I am glad that the country was able to take this step forward and still master the new ship. This is called "progress."

And the “Progress” that we have is a regression. These are ships of 50 years ago, which are slightly modernized. Analog computers were replaced by digital computers and so on. Yes, these were excellent ships and missiles that were invented by Korolev, Glushko, Chertok, Mishin, Isaev and others.

Sixty years ago.

With the collapse of the USSR, the entire space industry of a mighty country fell apart and completely degraded. To call it Russian means to sin against the truth. There is nothing Russian there and simply cannot be.

Okay, the Angara is Russian. Only the launch costs twice as much, when compared with the "Proton-M", and so - cheers, of course.

In general, despite the shaft of promises and optimistic statements made by Mr. Rogozin, who only knows how to do this - promise and tell tales, nothing substantial was invented in Russia.

Flights of automatic stations to other planets - no.

Flights of automatic stations to celestial bodies (comets, asteroids) - no.

Manned flights beyond the limits of the earth's orbit - no.

Own orbital station - no.

By the way, the ISS will soon exhaust its resource. I wonder what will Rogozin say on this subject?

But the main thing that interests me the most, even more than the successes of Mask, is that now Mr. Rogozin will compose for us in connection with the loss of such an oily feeder, such as orbiting?

I hope all normal people understand that since the Americans have their own ship, which, moreover, takes not 3, but 6 people on board, Roscosmos will no longer receive a cent for transportation.

Yes, “in the future, Russian cosmonauts may begin to fly to the ISS on the American ships Crew Dragon and Starliner. “Everything is discussed in plans for further cooperation,” RIA said.News"The head of the press service of" Roskosmos "Vladimir Ustimenko."

You know, it’s necessary for Mask to confirm this. You can say anything with us, but how much the Americans ask for it is a question.

Of course, Roscosmos is silent about money, but NASA does not make a secret at all.

According to NASA, which was presented to Life magazine by a representative of the organization, Daniel Huot, since 2006, the United States has acquired 72 spaces from Soyuz spacecraft in Russia for more than $ 4 billion to deliver American, European, Canadian, and Japanese astronauts to and from the station. to the ground.

During this time, the cost of flight for them increased from 20 to 90 million dollars. The only question is what figure Musk will announce for Russian cosmonauts who want to fly on an American ship.

I think so, he will voice it from the heart, and he will be right.

But this is lyrics.

The main question: where were these 4 billion dollars spent. This is, excuse me, a huge amount.

Considering that apart from space transport, we haven’t dealt with anything for the last 20 years, all the talk that “we can repeat tomorrow” is, excuse me, not even populism. This is just a deception of the layman. Insolent and unceremonious. Just because we won’t be able to repeat anything.

There is nothing and no one.

I recall that just two years ago I wrote more than one critical article on how things are going in our space industry. None of the facts set forth in the articles contained lawsuits or demands of refutations, nothing. Only at the enterprises in question were they diligently looking for “informers”.

Please note, for two years I am silent. Is everything so good at our VMZ and KBHA, which have now become the "Rocket Engine Center" overnight?

No. My six informants no longer work there. Gone and continue to work where and where. The power engineer found a place in the largest shopping and entertainment center in the region, an electrical engineer works for a company serving elevators, and two hydraulic engineers work at a large agricultural machinery manufacturing enterprise. All in business. With a salary twice as high as the payoff in the same place of work. And most importantly: no liability.

Agree, 20-23 thousand rubles and a lot of responsibility and 40+ - and you are only responsible for yourself to the employer. There is a difference, I understand them all. And I justify it.

Today, those Russians who are interested in space, need to understand one thing: we have no one to design and build. Poverty salaries and huge responsibility took so many highly qualified personnel out of the space branch that we can never dream of any interplanetary stations.

More precisely, we can dream. One can believe in vain that they will be made and fly. But the level of fulfillment is about the same as that of prayer. That is doubtful.

Today, we simply do not have staff at the level of the Queen and his team. And they have nowhere to come from. They are not and will not be, you just need to come to terms with this.

What happens next with the "space exploration" in Rogozin, I can not judge. Most likely, we will simply be thrown to the side of the cosmic road.

We are no longer needed as cabmen.

And somehow I do not observe other applications. Oh yes, space toilets are good. Unparalleled in the world. And our products are excellent.

Not the most necessary set, in principle. Except, perhaps, toilets.

Okay, this is not the most important thing. The main thing is how and where are we now without American money? Well, what’s there, some 400 million dollars a year ...

You know, if these 400 million were simply stolen, and I don’t even see the results of using this money with binoculars, then it was already good. So, rubles allocated from the budget could be used for a good cause.


Now, as expected, there are no dollars - we are sawing rubles. On dubious moon exploration projects without a rocket and a spaceship capable of flying there, and so on.

It’s sad to realize all this, it’s sad to write about it. Because you really understand, Rogozin wanted to spit on all these space explorations. And Putin wanted to spit on the fact that Rogozin can do nothing but compose fairy tales.

Well, or cool sayings about the trampoline.

Here the American trampoline worked. And where will Russia throw it now? Which side of the cosmic road?

Who will need the Unions now, if the Dragons will be their own and cheaper? “Own” is for Canadians, Japanese and Europeans, all who, except Americans, used Russian ships?


Yes, once we allowed (we are the USSR) to enter the space family to the representatives of Czechoslovakia, Poland, East Germany, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Vietnam, Cuba, Mongolia, France, India, Syria, Japan, Afghanistan, Great Britain, Austria, Slovakia, Brazil, South Africa, Republic of Korea, Malaysia ...

I am sure that the line for a re-flight for $ 90 million will not be built.

Moreover, I’m sure that there will be no queue at all. The era of Russian space shuttles is over.

Today historical day. I sincerely hope that Roskosmos will think about the loss of $ 400 million a year and still begin to work, rather than devour the Soviet legacy and the income from transportation.


Or we have a very ugly future for space rogues who are no longer needed with their ancient technology, unable to fly somewhere other than orbit in their ancient “Unions”.

But they boast that “we were the first” and therefore demand respect and reverence. And respect, excuse me, it is necessary not for the Soviet past, but for the Russian present.

I will be glad if Mr. Mask nevertheless makes Mr. Rogozin think.

The time of words is over. It is time for action. I would very much like the words and actions to be equally on both sides of the cosmic front. And not as it is now - we have words, but Mask - deeds.

Today, the Internet generates hundreds of memes and sayings on this topic.

The trampoline worked. Where now will Russia throw in space?

It's offensive. But this is a real understanding of the fact that some, unfortunately, in the United States have things to do, while others - unfortunately, in Russia, have words with a lot of fanfare.

And it's time to end with verbiage and promises about "we can repeat." It's time to repeat. At least repeat what Korolev did more than half a century ago.

However, I am afraid that this is also impossible.
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  1. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 1 June 2020 05: 13 New
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    I agree with you Roman completely, the trampoline worked, space flew by.
    1. Deck
      Deck 1 June 2020 05: 43 New
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      No time to despair, above your head! We have renewed the contract for the maintenance of toilets in the American part of the ISS
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 1 June 2020 06: 19 New
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        Space and sports are the last things we were (sometimes) the first in and what we can be proud of a few years ago. Now we have passed the last Soviet groundwork in the leading areas.

        In what the Kremlin's undisputed champions are through pipes and pumping of subsoil (national property). Moreover, they even pump themselves at a loss, "masters"!
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 1 June 2020 07: 49 New
          +8
          the speed of capital turnover is all, decades of investment in space is nothing.
          everything was determined even before the arrival of Gaidar-Chubais - "to make a profit ..." in the charters of LLP and CJSC and AOZT, etc.
          bankers give money - and ask: when will you return with interest? look at the price tag galoshes and buckwheat - in them the speed of profit and the disadvantage of investing 20 years in advance in space. the Navy is also being built.
          ... look at others or at yourself in the mirror?
          1. Ilya-spb
            Ilya-spb 1 June 2020 09: 00 New
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            Everything is simple. Rogozin - to resign !!!

            And check the entire Roscosmos for corruption. Really check.

            And vaccinate against corruption. Having smeared foreheads with brilliant green)))
            1. antivirus
              antivirus 1 June 2020 09: 10 New
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              funny -
              not about you --------------------- Valikverov (Lukoil) -18 billion dollars PERSONAL COMPOSITION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              How many decades do you need to work as a director of state corporations or a director of a "space" plant? you say "different markets" and you will be wrong. wrote the rules of privatization and - lived as you want for 30 years with different results
            2. iouris
              iouris 1 June 2020 12: 18 New
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              Quote: Ilya-spb
              Everything is simple. Rogozin - to resign !!!

              Let him get a job with Mask if he is a valuable specialist (or maybe he already got a job?).
              1. DominickS
                DominickS 1 June 2020 12: 52 New
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                Such as Rogozin, toilets will not be taken there either. They need engineers, not journalists and philosophers.
                1. iouris
                  iouris 1 June 2020 13: 37 New
                  +1
                  Is he a philosopher? Is he a journalist? What is your evidence?
                  1. aviator6768
                    aviator6768 7 June 2020 01: 11 New
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                    Evidence you just described, know how to read? Call the kids, let them re-read you, or bring the glasses ... google, finally. If he himself is not able to own a point. view to have ... poor ....
              2. evgenii67
                evgenii67 1 June 2020 12: 59 New
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                Quote: iouris
                Let him get a job with Mask if he is a valuable specialist (or maybe he already got a job

                Rogozin seems to be a journalist by training ?! So, the maximum whom he can work with Ilon, is to print for Russian-language notes on Twitter about the success of the company spacex
                1. Antagonist
                  Antagonist 1 June 2020 15: 49 New
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                  Quote: evgenii67
                  the maximum whom he can work with Ilon is to print for Russian-language notes on Twitter about the success of spacex

                  I’m sure to tweet about Mask’s success, he will do just fine.
                  1. Lister
                    Lister 1 June 2020 23: 42 New
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                    Not a fact, oh not a fact ...
            3. Klingon
              Klingon 1 June 2020 21: 51 New
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              Quote: Ilya-spb
              Everything is simple. Rogozin - to resign !!!

              And check the entire Roscosmos for corruption. Really check.

              And vaccinate against corruption. Having smeared foreheads with brilliant green)))

              late however, it was necessary to start doing this at least 10 years ago! and again every year, so as not to let you relax. but the trick is that the great Pu is not interested in space. In fact, he turns into a kind of scrupulous old man who does not want to change anything in this life ... after all, everything is fine ((
              1. Lister
                Lister 1 June 2020 23: 44 New
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                Quote: Klingon
                who does not want to change anything in this life ... after all, everything is fine ((

                depending on whom it’s good ... and what our descendants will feel like, sometimes it's scary to think ...
                1. Klingon
                  Klingon 2 June 2020 00: 36 New
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                  I mean a GOOD elite club of old people and those close to this club))
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 1 June 2020 21: 22 New
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            Quote: antivirus
            the speed of capital turnover is all, decades of investment in space is nothing.

            Right. Space in the USSR is the prestige of the state, space in the Russian Federation .......
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 2 June 2020 08: 48 New
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              Quote: tihonmarine
              Space in the USSR is the prestige of the state, space in the Russian Federation .....

              The article does not say a word about the nuclear engine for a rocket .... But that would really be cool!
          3. Lister
            Lister 1 June 2020 23: 41 New
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            Quote: antivirus
            to look at others or at yourself in the mirror?

            Change the approach to space exploration. The space program is a matter of national importance. However, the feeling sometimes develops such that the main thing for our politicians is momentary profit, but not development ...
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 2 June 2020 08: 49 New
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              Quote: Lister
              Change the approach to space exploration.

              +++ Nuclear engine for rockets! It will be real progress!
            2. Titus_2
              Titus_2 2 June 2020 22: 48 New
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              Well, everything is from education, but alas, temples are a priority instead of institutes and schools. The rulers, living one day, completely dispersed themselves ... in the light of recent events, I think that the majority have opened their eyes that our future generations have been denied social lifts for honest courts and so on. Anyway, after all, the government will leave ... the USSR has eaten ovs .... unless pipes.
        2. adler87
          adler87 1 June 2020 08: 02 New
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          Loss for us, and they are always profitable
          1. Lister
            Lister 1 June 2020 23: 47 New
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            Quote: adler87
            Loss for us, and they are always profitable

            That's for sure ... They will cover all the loss at our expense, turning it into a profit ...
        3. NordUral
          NordUral 1 June 2020 12: 48 New
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          In what the Kremlin's undisputed champions are through pipes and pumping of subsoil (national property). Moreover, they even pump themselves at a loss, "masters"!

          Not to ourselves, but to us at a loss, and for a long time already.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 1 June 2020 21: 23 New
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            Quote: NordUral
            Not to ourselves, but to us at a loss, and for a long time already.

            But someone a penny in his pocket.
            1. Lister
              Lister 1 June 2020 23: 48 New
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              But we won’t get this penny in our pocket ...
        4. Vadim237
          Vadim237 1 June 2020 13: 18 New
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          Now Russia remains the first in hypersonic aerodynamics, laser technology, the nuclear industry, the production of nanomaterials is not strange, and in materials science they have recently created a heat-resistant alloy with a melting point of more than 4400 degrees.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 1 June 2020 15: 53 New
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            Quote: Vadim237
            Now Russia remains the first in hypersonic aerodynamics, laser technology, the nuclear industry, and the production of nanomaterials

            there their "rogozins" work, the result will not be long in coming
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 1 June 2020 21: 55 New
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              Compared to the space sphere, everything in these areas is excellent there for their Rogozins, but they have been working there for a long time and everyone else is working there and the results show.
              1. Stalllker
                Stalllker 2 June 2020 05: 12 New
                +1
                Don’t argue with them, Russians harness for a long time, but go fast
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 2 June 2020 08: 51 New
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                  Quote: Stalllker
                  Don’t argue with them, Russians harness for a long time, but go fast

                  dangerous misconception ... also about invincibility too sad
                  1. Stalllker
                    Stalllker 2 June 2020 18: 04 New
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                    You say this to Otto von Bismarck
                    1. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 3 June 2020 11: 34 New
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                      Quote: Stalllker
                      You say this to Otto von Bismarck

                      Russia at the time of Bismarck is including Warsaw, Kiev, and so on, as well as another mentality and Honor, faith in the God of the Tsar and the fatherland. The embezzlement and cowardice was reproached. Now the opposite
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 1 June 2020 21: 23 New
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            Quote: Vadim237
            Now Russia remains the first in hypersonic aerodynamics, laser technology, the nuclear industry, the production of nanomaterials is not strange,

            Only on paper.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 1 June 2020 21: 57 New
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              I don’t know on your toilet paper - in reality, everything works and the products are released not in words, but in practice.
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            2. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 3 June 2020 11: 41 New
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              Quote: tihonmarine
              Only on paper

              The trouble in the absence of development, the USSR once swung a nuclear plane did not bring to mind, but there were achievements, if the nuclear engine for the rocket so that the Mask catches up with ....
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 4 June 2020 00: 09 New
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                Rosatom YaERDU does for a space interplanetary tug they promise to launch by early 2030 instead of a nuclear powered aircraft, instead of a nuclear powered aircraft, the Burevestnik nuclear-powered rocket with YAPRD left to wait for delivery to armament and serial production.
          3. aviator6768
            aviator6768 7 June 2020 01: 17 New
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            Dear friend ... two KBLs founded a hypersound even under the Queen, I don’t know ... nanomaterials are examples in the studio, maybe we’ll invite Chubais as an expert ... Heat resistance ... We got education on this, well, we lag behind in this 400 Kelvin, well, at least shoot yourself, back in the 50s ... (long ago we would have had the best engines (military, where the expense is up to a hair dryer ...) ... Well, not in courses. don’t write what don’t you know ..
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            2. Pushkar
              Pushkar 2 June 2020 11: 29 New
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              Quote: Brancodd
              This site is not for discussion. Here are all the prosecutors.

              Oh, tell the truth, dear. It's all a mirror to blame, and so at 72 I am handsome and healthy. Do not dare to show me so scary!
          3. Jager
            Jager 1 June 2020 23: 59 New
            +6
            I work in a research institute and see the whole mess "from the bottom". Today the only department was transferred for a three-day period and I was really making money in it. And the secretaries, any assistants to the third deputy directors and other tea drinkers and discussing how they are taking Russia off the oil needle, were left on the full schedule. And the engineers, to hell with them ...
            1. Nitochkin
              Nitochkin 2 June 2020 03: 59 New
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              From 10:55 - why the project "Elon Musk" was created
              From 28:00 - about why such a situation occurs, when the specialists are for a three-day period, and the secretary is on a full schedule
          4. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 2 June 2020 08: 53 New
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            Quote: DVR
            After all, human and material losses in that Cold War are comparable to the "hot" world war.

            But the world war did not end, it took other forms
        6. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 1 June 2020 21: 20 New
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          Quote: Stas157
          Space and sport is the last thing we were (sometimes) the first to be proud of several years ago.

          We already missed it, but the ballet still remains.
          1. Lister
            Lister 1 June 2020 23: 54 New
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            Quote: tihonmarine
            ballet still remains

            Ballet is the culture of our people and country, but industry, which can be said that it doesn’t, is the future and security of our country
      2. Cheshire
        Cheshire 1 June 2020 07: 09 New
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        The strongest in the article is the options for sketches of the National Cosmos. Center.
        Roman, bravo, bothered to express what many stone in my heart is.
        Thank you very much from me. hi
      3. Bykov.
        Bykov. 1 June 2020 07: 32 New
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        Quote: Deck
        No time to despair, above your head! We have renewed the contract for the maintenance of toilets in the American part of the ISS

        I didn’t understand something, because of what despair? What is the problem? Who dares to prevent us from working in space?
        1. Deck
          Deck 1 June 2020 07: 57 New
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          What is the problem? Who dares to prevent us from working in space?


          Surname to you? Or do you know?
          1. iouris
            iouris 1 June 2020 13: 38 New
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            No ... we know ourselves.
        2. Jurkovs
          Jurkovs 1 June 2020 08: 46 New
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          You probably do not understand the sarcasm in the phrase: "Polish plumbers". Well, or the Russians, but already in space.
          1. iouris
            iouris 1 June 2020 13: 39 New
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            Quote: Jurkovs
            You probably don't understand sarcasm

            There is no sarcasm, there is an extremely offensive statement in relation to OUR people working in space at such a time.
            1. 6895
              6895 4 June 2020 09: 09 New
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              What you are surprised to insulting about someone else’s work is sacred, and who and what only God knows on the spot. Something like that we heard in the early 90s, the USSR is a poor, worthless state, Mercedes can’t do it, etc. etc. The USSR and then Russia are now trying to weaken by any possible means in order to prevent the development of the economy, education, etc. so that there is nothing possible. Drooling, all bad.
        3. AA17
          AA17 1 June 2020 09: 23 New
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          Dear, Alexey Bykov. "Who dares to interfere with our work in space?" - Your phrase. Russia will be hindered from working in space by the incompetent leadership of Roscosmos, the general backward industry in Russia, the loss of qualified engineers and workers, etc. USA designs a circumlunar visited platform Deep Space Gateway. Russia's role in this project will be minimal.
          "... However, later, Mr. Rogozin said that Russia would refuse to participate in the Deep Space Gateway program, as it was assigned an insufficiently large role. ..." https://3dnews.ru/1000424
          "... Russia cannot afford to participate in the project of creating a circumlunar scientific station on the terms set by the United States. As an alternative, the head of Roscosmos called the possible emergence of another project that Russia can implement either independently or with friendly BRICS countries. reported by RIA Novosti ... "https://www.rbc.ru/society/22/09/2018/5ba609f39a794710b48fb5f1.

          Rogozin made this statement in September 2018. But then, after assessing the real possibilities of the BRICS countries and realizing that Roskosmos could be completely excluded from the creators of the lunar station, in December 2019. makes another statement: "... that Roscosmos intends to reconsider its position: it is possible that our country will nevertheless take part in the project of the American circumlunar station ..." https://3dnews.ru/1000424
          "..." We confirmed to our American colleagues who sent us a draft memorandum that we are ready to participate in the negotiations, "he said. (D. Rogozin)
          https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/25/12/2019/5e02b4ca9a7947320cc14918
          P.S. The flight of an American ship to the ISS is a grand event. Russia is no longer Power No. 1 in SPACE.
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 1 June 2020 10: 07 New
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            Quote: AA17
            The flight of an American ship to the ISS is a grand event. Russia is no longer Power No. 1 in SPACE.

            I recommend to view. hi
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 1 June 2020 14: 06 New
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              Quote: Malyuta
              I recommend to view.

              Musk answered Rogozin:
          2. astepanov
            astepanov 1 June 2020 12: 22 New
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            Quote: AA17
            The flight of an American ship to the ISS is a grand event. Russia is no longer Power No. 1 in SPACE.

            Woke up ... She has long been no power number one. In addition to transportation - nothing, and for many years.
            1. Lister
              Lister 1 June 2020 23: 56 New
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              Quote: astepanov
              In addition to transportation

              Maybe soon he will not be ...
        4. NordUral
          NordUral 1 June 2020 12: 50 New
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          All the same, reducing the cheekbones of the face. And the people know them all.
        5. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 1 June 2020 13: 27 New
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          Quote: Bulls.

          I didn’t understand something, because of what despair? What is the problem? Who dares to prevent us from working in space?

          Everything is very simple, Carl. Russia's internal need for launches, mainly in the interests of the MO 1-2 launches per year. Another couple of launches to the ISS, a couple launches from Guiana in the interests of Europe, several commercial launches. Starting the union costs 60-70 Lyamov after tight optimization. Starting the Dragon is about 50. From Guiana we will be asked after the contract is over, Europeans will make their light rocket. Dragons will fly to the ISS. There are 1-2 internal launches left for us
        6. tagil
          tagil 1 June 2020 19: 47 New
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          They have a Woe that Americans flew into space themselves, and not on our rocket. So the scribe came to Russian space. And the fact that the Americans are not all so rosy, I would even say not at all rosy so it’s so, little things. The main thing is that grief is what we have and they have a holiday. Although why the holiday is not clear.
        7. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 1 June 2020 21: 25 New
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          Quote: Bulls.
          I didn’t understand something, because of what despair? What is the problem? Who dares to prevent us from working in space?

          Are you from the moon, or Alpha Centauri?
        8. Pushkar
          Pushkar 2 June 2020 11: 33 New
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          Quote: Bulls.
          I didn’t understand something, because of what despair?
          Because of literacy.
        9. aviator6768
          aviator6768 7 June 2020 01: 20 New
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          Yes, no one interferes with "work" .... Tajiks are out, they are working at all, no one interferes with them ... You can still dig from the fence until Friday - also work ... Go! Will you help the workers, or so, try it?
      4. Lister
        Lister 1 June 2020 23: 37 New
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        Quote: Deck
        We have renewed the contract for the maintenance of toilets in the American part of the ISS

        sank to the level of ukrosumerov in their work in Europe. It's a shame ...
    2. Break through
      Break through 1 June 2020 05: 46 New
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      All. It's time to close Roskosmos crying It is time to stop sending your astronauts, it is time to stop launching GLONASS satellites, communication satellites, telecommunication satellites, military satellites, and satellites from other countries. After all, the Americans launched the astronauts again laughing
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 1 June 2020 07: 35 New
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        Quote: Break through
        All. It's time to close Roskosmos crying It is time to stop sending your astronauts, it is time to stop launching GLONASS satellites, communication satellites, telecommunication satellites, military satellites, and satellites from other countries. After all, the Americans launched the astronauts again laughing

        Yeah, reaching just over 100500K level. It was as if noise had landed on the Sun. Repeated their achievement half a century ago, on the same technology, and screaming in a million.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 1 June 2020 08: 03 New
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          Quote: Bulls.
          Yeah, reaching just over 100500K level. It was as if noise had landed on the Sun. Repeated their achievement half a century ago, on the same technologies, and yelling for a million.

          The problem is not that somebody I made a rocket somewhere. And in our placewhat we occupied in "space" and what we will occupy.

          For a long time, only we had the only full-fledged orbital station Mir in the world. But until recently, we were the first in terms of the number of launches into space. And literally before last week we were the main cabmen of the planet ... Now, it seems, the times of global space achievements have sunk into oblivion, for us, of course.
          1. Carnifexx
            Carnifexx 1 June 2020 08: 26 New
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            I will add that we had commercial launches, more than 60% (including Unions for Arianеspace somewhere around 70% +) around the world, and now their number is approaching zero, and will soon fall below 5% and without a chance to rise higher without competitive PH Anger did not become one, Proton with the advent of Falcon 9 FT Block 5 is not. Europeans will abandon alliances in favor of Vega C, which will be regrettable. Unfortunately, the idea of ​​creating a pH based on the RD-170 did not come in time after the sunset of Zenith. Now Soyuz-5/7 are about to do it.
          2. ranok58
            ranok58 1 June 2020 09: 07 New
            +7
            But doesn’t it seem to you that the mistake was that at one time you agreed to the joint use of the orbital station? Not pulled for the money? Well, there’s nothing to cry - they overtook us.
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 1 June 2020 10: 27 New
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              Quote: ranok58
              But doesn’t it seem to you that the mistake was that at one time you agreed to the joint use of the orbital station?

              I am very sorry, but not a mistake, but a crime was the flooding of the Mir station. hi
              1. dzvero
                dzvero 1 June 2020 11: 40 New
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                Mir was designed for three years - it existed for fifteen. The resource was completely exhausted - problems with tightness, equipment problems, fungal infection ... the station was simply dangerous for astronauts.
                A mistake in the long term can be considered a refusal from its own orbital station and participation in the ISS. But what was no longer to return ...
                1. iouris
                  iouris 1 June 2020 13: 44 New
                  +4
                  Quote: dzvero
                  The resource was completely exhausted - problems with tightness, equipment problems, fungal infection ... the station was simply dangerous for the astronauts.

                  And that hell knows him. Where did you get all this from. Destruction of astronautics, science, education, industry is a strict condition of "our" business partners and "colleagues". "Cosmic cab" is an adjustment due to temporary difficulties for "partners" and "colleagues". But they work.
                2. Octopus
                  Octopus 1 June 2020 17: 19 New
                  +4
                  Quote: dzvero
                  A mistake in the long term can be considered a refusal from its own orbital station and participation in the ISS.

                  The ISS would then fly without Russia. And so they added the Soviet backlog of MIR-2 to this project. For American, I remind you, money. As Roscosmos already did something new then - see the Science module.
                  1. dzvero
                    dzvero 1 June 2020 17: 37 New
                    +2
                    Yes, the ISS would fly without Russia. But, with the current afterlife, the question can be posed - how long? Shuttles ... of that ... Maintained mainly Protons and Unions. And how long could Russia itself have served Mir-2? Maybe they would attract the Chinese? Or Indians? But this is an alternative story ...
                    In the short term, Russia's participation in the ISS instead of its Mir-2 was justified (the charms of the 90s). In the long-term, it’s rather a forced miscalculation, but this is my purely personal opinion.
                    1. Octopus
                      Octopus 1 June 2020 17: 44 New
                      +6
                      Russian blocs drove protons, trucks on the ISS flew from four countries, and as for manned launches, without the Unions, the Americans would have extended the Endeavor Shuttle, which was 10 years younger than the rest of the Shuttles
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        1. Stas157
          Stas157 1 June 2020 09: 43 New
          17
          Quote: vvp2412
          any Russophobian comment is a bunch of pluses. Any adequate pro-Russian, a bunch of minuses ...
          Here the dominance of hohlotrolls!

          And you try to consider the situation only in gradation of achievements of scientific and technological progress, without the political component: a bad comment is a troll, a good one is "adequate" pro-Russian. Immediately in the head, everything will fall into place and there will be no deformed picture of the world.
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 1 June 2020 10: 47 New
            0
            Quote: Stas157
            NASA's funding is more than TWENTY times greater than that of Roscosmos.
            Those. works there, roughly, 21 Roscosmos

            and the result from one Roskosmos want .... the same!

            winked This is how this "apoliticality" can be seen ...
            For example, Olgovich wrote below:
            NASA's funding is more than TWENTY times greater than that of Roscosmos.
            Those. works there, roughly, 21 Roscosmos
            and the result from one Roskosmos want .... the same!
            and got 11 cons ...

            All by pattern yes ... Any topic on the site boils down to one thing: "Today the Motherland is dying especially badly" ...

            Py.Sy. And, it’s high time to restore order not only in Roscosmos ... and the most severe.
            Already ate these liberal explanations and concerns ...

            Today we all see "Stronghold of Democracy - Good US Police"

            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 1 June 2020 11: 09 New
              15
              Quote: Terenin
              For example, Olgovich wrote below:
              NASA's funding is more than TWENTY times greater than that of Roscosmos.
              Those. works there, roughly, 21 Roscosmos
              and the result from one Roskosmos want .... the same!
              and got 11 cons ...

              And if you compare the salary of Rogozin and the director of NASA, the salary of electrical engineers of Roskosmos and similar at Mask?
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 1 June 2020 16: 02 New
                11
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                And if you compare the salaries of Rogozin and the director of NASA

                NASA’s budget is 10 times bigger and the salary of the head of NASA is one and a half times lower than that of Rogozin. With engineers - the opposite. A NASA engineer’s salary is three times higher than ours.
                https://www.mk.ru/science/2020/05/28/otvet-rogozina-masku-nasmeshil.html
                1. Octopus
                  Octopus 1 June 2020 17: 20 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  A NASA engineer’s salary is three times higher than ours.

                  Which are there in three.
            2. Stas157
              Stas157 1 June 2020 11: 11 New
              20
              NASA's funding is more than TWENTY times greater than that of Roscosmos.
              Those. works there, roughly, 21 Roscosmos

              and the result from one Roskosmos want .... the same!

              This is not my quote. You probably mistakenly designated her as mine. And the fact that Roscosmos is financed 20 times less (of this another billions are stolen) is a claim to the current government and its economic achievements. It is clear that without a strong economy you can’t do anything.

              So our irremovable president, for endless 20 years, failed all economic programs that he himself announced. Well, a failure in space is a natural result for a loser who does not fulfill their own (economic) plans. The recent trillion-dollar national projects announced with fanfare are already flying to hell.
            3. Oleg Zorin
              Oleg Zorin 1 June 2020 15: 07 New
              +8
              Where is liberalism in Russia? Treasury - yes, incompetence - yes, and liberalism - no, no such.
            4. New Year day
              New Year day 1 June 2020 16: 00 New
              +1
              Quote: Terenin
              Today we all see "Stronghold of Democracy - Good US Police"


              Then start about democracy first and without cuts, for honesty

              do you want to find something like that in Russia? I can help
              1. Terenin
                Terenin 1 June 2020 17: 56 New
                +1
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: Terenin
                Today we all see "Stronghold of Democracy - Good US Police"


                Then start about democracy first and without cuts, for honesty

                do you want to find something like that in Russia? I can help


                Firstly, with these staged fake photos about the lawlessness of the Russian police, you can surprise ... USE graduates winked , (by the way, what is it that she licks like a prostitute on a community work day?);
                Secondly, no one from the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia (the Investigative Committee and the Prosecutor General) has long been able to cover the guilty employees according to the results of the audit;
                Thirdly, when, finally, will you conduct an investigation of the murder in the House of Trade Unions (I don’t post shocking photos, you will find it on the Internet without difficulty) and the shooting of the Berkut soldiers?
                Disguise as you like, but you have to answer.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 1 June 2020 18: 14 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Terenin
                  with these staged fake photos about the lawlessness of the Russian police, you can surprise ... USE graduates, (by the way, what’s it Is she smiling like a prostitute on a clean-up day?);

                  Mdyayaya, with jargon you are all right. negative
                  But what is this?
                  Quote: Terenin
                  Disguise as you like, but you have to answer.

                  Paranoid phenomena are common to many employees. And then you will have to answer, for your complicity in what is happening.
                  1. Terenin
                    Terenin 1 June 2020 19: 31 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    Mdyayaya, with jargon you are all right.

                    What are the defenders of the Maidan do not see in their own eyes? repeat
                    Stroporez (Private Airborne) Yesterday, 04:46
                    -2
                    .
                    Threat. Believe me, there will be no mercy to partners.
                    Now enjoy your any amers, contra.
        2. snake
          snake 1 June 2020 11: 33 New
          20
          Quote: vvp2412
          Have you noticed that any Russophobian comment is a bunch of pluses.

          Have you noticed that any commentary criticizing Russian eff. managers (and there is something to criticize them for (and this is putting it mildly)) - in the minds of the Urya-patriots becomes Russophobic? Hooray patriotism goes to a new level! Only "hurray!", Only hardcore! Down with Russian sadness and other Dostoevism! If not a Russophobe - praise Chubais, Rogozin, Putin and Medvedev! Do not praise - Russophobe. Tamer. Foreign agent.
          Quote: vvp2412
          I will not leave here any more comments.

          I hope, Vladimir, that you are responsible for your words. Farewell.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 1 June 2020 16: 06 New
            +9
            Quote: serpent
            ... any comment criticizing Russian eff. managers (and there is something to criticize them for (and this is put it mildly)) - in the view of the Urya-Patriots it becomes Russophobic?

            the bonds are crumbling, nothing remains in the asset, except
            Quote: serpent
            Only hurray!
        3. NordUral
          NordUral 1 June 2020 12: 53 New
          +8
          vvp2412, do not distort. Fair criticism is not Russophobia.
          1. EVDmitri
            EVDmitri 1 June 2020 13: 32 New
            -10
            Where is the criticism? Only emotions.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 1 June 2020 13: 44 New
              12
              Yes, and emotions, Oleg Anatolyevich. Anyone who remembers the Soviet period of space cannot calmly watch how space industry and science are being killed.
              1. EVDmitri
                EVDmitri 1 June 2020 13: 46 New
                -5
                Agree, however, that emotions and criticism are not even synonyms. After reading the article and comments of criticism, I did not see.
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 1 June 2020 13: 47 New
                  +8
                  And how do you rate such a tablet?

                  Surname - Rogozin D.
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 1 June 2020 16: 07 New
                    +1
                    Quote: NordUral
                    And how do you rate such a tablet?

                    Surname - Rogozin D.

                    What are you surprised at? It has long been in sight and everywhere
                    1. NordUral
                      NordUral 1 June 2020 17: 11 New
                      +3
                      I am surprised at the combination: Bauman and Rogozin as her dean.
                      1. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 1 June 2020 21: 03 New
                        +2
                        And the reformer of Avtovaz, Alyoshin, as the general director of TsAGI, does not surprise you? Received an academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences and went for promotion.
                      2. NordUral
                        NordUral 2 June 2020 12: 27 New
                        +1
                        Not surprising, because I did not know about this wonderful career spurt of a respected person.
                      3. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 2 June 2020 19: 18 New
                        0
                        TsAGI turned out to be stronger than AvtoVAZ, the institute somehow resisted
              2. brat07
                brat07 2 June 2020 01: 13 New
                +2
                Quote: NordUral
                And how do you rate such a tablet?

                Surname - Rogozin D.

                Regarding the dean of this faculty, here is what I found:
                Dean of the faculty: Dorofeev Anatoly Alexandrovich.
                Phone of the faculty: (095) 513-62-68.
                The problem came out.!
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 2 June 2020 12: 34 New
                  0
                  I repent, did not check the picture and did not understand the jokes. But this does not change the essence of the matter.
    3. forpost
      forpost 1 June 2020 13: 15 New
      +1
      I have long noticed
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  2. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 1 June 2020 13: 32 New
    +3
    Quote: Break through
    All. It's time to close Roskosmos crying It is time to stop sending your astronauts, it is time to stop launching GLONASS satellites, communication satellites, telecommunication satellites, military satellites, and satellites from other countries. After all, the Americans launched the astronauts again laughing

    Their astronauts flew to the ISS as a passing cargo, the ship was paid by foreign passengers
    I say again, our internal need for launches is 1-2 per year at best. The industry is just becoming unprofitable
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 1 June 2020 16: 08 New
      +6
      Quote: Pilat2009
      our internal need for launches is 1-2 a year at best. the industry is just becoming unprofitable

      Looking into the eyes of President Putin, Rogozin promised 2019 space launches in 45. There were 22.https: //www.mk.ru/science/2020/05/28/otvet-rogozina-masku-nasmeshil.html
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 1 June 2020 21: 28 New
        -2
        Quote: Silvestr
        Looking into the eyes of President Putin, Rogozin promised 2019 space launches in 45.

        And how much they looked into my eyes, and how many I looked into my eyes (I personally), but really, all who looked .....
  3. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 1 June 2020 21: 26 New
    -2
    Quote: Break through
    It's time to close Roskosmos

    And if you think well?
  4. Brancodd
    Brancodd 1 June 2020 22: 15 New
    -1
    Definitely close everything. Although not all. We need a fundraising program to buy a place for Skomorokhov on Starship, because he will be the first to release a note from the surface of Mars on the next victory of the American space program
  5. Lister
    Lister 1 June 2020 23: 59 New
    16
    Not to close, but to appoint a new leadership, who knows and knows how to do things aimed at the success of our space program, and not engage in verbiage and ponto-cutting.
  • Grading
    Grading 1 June 2020 05: 50 New
    12

    It didn’t happen so fast and we had time, but we are talking about it ,,,,,,,
  • Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 1 June 2020 06: 06 New
    -4
    What is the tragedy ?! The Americans finally flew into space on their rocket! We are happy for them. 10 years of reputational losses (well, that is, flying on Russian missiles) and this is a reason for joy. I will repeat - "finally"!
    1. Cheshire
      Cheshire 1 June 2020 07: 05 New
      10
      Valery, good morning to you. About your question
      What is the tragedy ?!

      - the answer is in the article above, bother to re-read hi
    2. lwxx
      lwxx 1 June 2020 08: 00 New
      -5
      Valery, do not stop people from sprinkling ashes on their heads. laughing Well, the Americans flew back into space on their own, well, almost on their own, apparatus, correctly there is no tragedy. Why almost on my own? So the rocket is private, although imprisoned under NASA. I do not remember such screeches when the teapots launched their taikonauts, they count all the money. And all such space specialists, with a high level of access. yes
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 1 June 2020 08: 36 New
        11
        Quote: lwxx
        I don’t remember such squealswhen the teapots launched their tyconauts

        Because our Union was certainly better than its pale copy (Shenjou). At least at that moment.
    3. Malyuta
      Malyuta 1 June 2020 08: 54 New
      15
      Quote: Valery Valery
      What is the tragedy ?!

      The tragedy is that at the moment when the world is technologically developing by leaps and bounds, we are trading in the bowels and taiga.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 1 June 2020 12: 56 New
        11
        Yes, we do not trade, but completely different people, Malyuta. We get, or rather, got only bits and pieces. And now, the debts for all these pipelines will be borne by our children and grandchildren.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 1 June 2020 13: 42 New
        -6
        The whole world has developed technologically since the beginning of the last century, especially in the civilian sector, but in the USSR they scored this sector from the very beginning until the end of the 80s - and when we realized it was too late there are no advertised brands, there are no high-tech markets there are no external sales markets there is no customer base - how besides units, no one knows what to do and how to do the same in market conditions, so the end of the 80s and all 90s went to the domestic market, foreign producers came in and the population voted for their products in rubles - thereby, having kicked off everything that was still alive from the USSR, now In this regard, the situation began to change, they began to slowly do their own competitive thing, something in cooperation with foreign manufacturers, but most importantly, meeting the requirements of today and tomorrow. The difficulty is that the sales markets are already occupied by thousands of foreign brands and the global customer base has been formed, in such conditions Russia is forced to occupy the remaining niches - for this reason we trade everything that is in demand in the first place for raw materials.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 1 June 2020 21: 39 New
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          The whole world has developed technologically since the beginning of the last century, especially in the civilian sector, but in the USSR this sector was beaten from the very beginning until the end of the 80s

          Well, my grandfather plowed a plow, father on a tractor. And the whole world plowed on the same. Or maybe I'm wrong ?? Perhaps on something else? As long as you want some bread and at least a little sausage, forget that the sausage and McDodlands were born in the field of information technology.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 1 June 2020 22: 16 New
            +1
            I’m talking about the development of technology in the civilian sector and why Russia is catching up - you tell me about the tractor and agriculture, and yes, despite the plows and hundreds of thousands of combine harvesters that the USSR produced and used to its full capacity on all fields of collective farms and state farms - like bread the country could not provide itself with feed for cattle since the 60s they bought cereals in millions of tons and in the 80s they bought tens of millions of tons of sugar and meat abroad from kapstran for currency and I don’t need to tell stories that the USSR bought exclusively fodder grain for cattle - since cattle they don’t eat one grain, and they bought the third and fourth class of wheat because they are cheap compared to the first and second classes.
        2. Lister
          Lister 2 June 2020 00: 02 New
          12
          Quote: Vadim237
          when they realized it was too late modern products no advertised brands no high tech no external markets no customer base no

          Now this is not the same
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 2 June 2020 17: 26 New
            0
            Well, you don’t have them - those who are engaged in the development and production have.
    4. Venya Selnikov
      Venya Selnikov 1 June 2020 16: 09 New
      0
      Of course, the concept of tragedy (for the prospects for the development of our cosmonautics) is an imkhovy border. For me, this border (namely tragedy) began even 15-20 years ago.
      Just wondering what border will be considered a tragedy for you?
      After all, you can continue to not worry.
      No problem.
      Well, they themselves flew the Dragon, also to me, an achievement.
      Well, they launched Starliner, and got the US internal (!) Competition and duplication to reduce risks, that's okay.
      Well, Orion was commissioned, and began the implementation of Artemis, theoretically - what's so difficult?
      Well, they repeated the landing on the moon with the Allies, transferred it to a periodic basis - nothing fantastic ...

      Where is the border where you should draw a line and yet - start to worry and act, and not just underestimate the prospects of your former partners (and now enemies), and overestimate your own capabilities?
  • siberalt
    siberalt 1 June 2020 06: 11 New
    15
    The most interesting thing is that after the successful launch of the "dragon" Mask, Trump announced that now they will be the first on the moon. Maybe this is a Freudian slip of the tongue?
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 1 June 2020 06: 41 New
    15
    Mask Corporation employs engineers and specialists not only from the USA, but also from all Western countries. There have long been no problems for the French or Italians to come under contract to the United States for several years if they are suitable in level. Or vice versa. But the Russian Federation has to rely solely on its specialists.
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. 1 June 2020 07: 45 New
      -9
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Mask Corporation employs engineers and specialists not only from the USA, but also from all Western countries. There have long been no problems for the French or Italians to come under contract to the United States for several years if they are suitable in level. Or vice versa. But the Russian Federation has to rely solely on its specialists.

      And what is the use of their work? After all, what they launched into space yesterday was built on technology from the middle of the last century. Technologies which they REPEATED, but did not develop INDEPENDENTLY? What is the success?
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 1 June 2020 21: 16 New
        +3
        I explain for the slow-witted or dull or "very tricky":
        1. Musk destroys Roscosmos' monopoly on NASA contracts, if a seat on Soyuz, which is to start in October 2020, cost NASA more than $ 90 million, then one seat for a flight on Dragon will cost about $ 55 million ...
        2. Our ship is 3-seater, and Dragon is 6-seater, they even say seven-seater.
        3. Our Union is disposable, and they have a reusable first stage of the Falcon 9 launch vehicle, which has already completed a successful automatic landing.
        So their launch is not just a repetition of something, but a new era in space exploration.
        4. According to NASA, more than $ 3 billion was invested in the Mask program, and Roscosmos received $ 4 billion from the United States only for “transportation,” and it simply fouled where it went. Therefore, their managers are not comparable with ours.
    2. Oleg Zorin
      Oleg Zorin 1 June 2020 15: 10 New
      +1
      Too shy to ask, faith does not allow Roscosmos to hire foreign specialists? Or is the reason still in something else?
  • Civil
    Civil 1 June 2020 07: 26 New
    0
    1. Let's calm down.
    2. Well, we do not have money for space in the volume necessary for development.
    3. Money is only for maintaining the industry until better times.
    4. I will repeat the millionth time, enough to do everything except the economy.
    1. Vilensky
      Vilensky 1 June 2020 08: 09 New
      +9
      Quote: Civil

      1. Let's calm down.
      2. Well, we do not have money for space in the volume necessary for development.
      3. Money is only for maintaining the industry until better times.
      4. I will repeat the millionth time, enough to do everything except the economy.

      1. Calm down.
      2. You definitely don’t, but the crooks who earn here and take them out, including and gold are available.
      3. Money is not only for maintaining the industry. See point 2.
      4. I answer a million times, stop crying. After the war in the USSR, there was much less money, even part of the salaries were given out by bonds. However, they became the first.
      1. really
        really 1 June 2020 09: 33 New
        +2
        Bonds at that moment, this was another robbery of the people, as they were obliged for a monthly salary.
      2. 3danimal
        3danimal 22 July 2020 20: 03 New
        +1
        Until the beginning of the 50s, they continued to die of hunger. In 1948, more than a million died. People are a resource, they saved on them, requiring constant sacrifices.
        And in terms of living standards, they have never been compared with developed countries. This is due to the economic perverts and fanatics of the Bolsheviks.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 1 June 2020 16: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: Civil
      Well, we don’t have money for space in the volume necessary for development.

      with such thefts they will never be. You need to steal less and spend it efficiently. Fill your pockets less: the salary of the head of NASA is one and a half times lower than that of Rogozin. And the NASA engineer’s salary is three times higher than ours.
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal 22 July 2020 20: 05 New
        +1
        In general, this is the predominant tendency at Russian enterprises. Those who are higher than the villages get everything, the rest get crumbs. What's wrong with us?
  • Bykov.
    Bykov. 1 June 2020 07: 30 New
    -7
    Quote: tihonmarine
    I agree with you Roman completely, the trampoline worked, space flew by.

    What is the problem? As we worked in OUR interests in space, we will continue to work. What difference does it make for us, do the Omerygos have a rocket or not? This is their problem, not ours. We are doing well without them. So what is he right about?
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 1 June 2020 08: 02 New
      -8
      Quote: Bulls.
      What is the problem? As we worked in OUR interests in space, we will continue to work. What difference does it make for us, do the Omerygos have a rocket or not? This is their problem, not ours. We are doing well without them.

      NASA funding in more than TWENTY TIME EXCELLENT Roscosmos financing.
      Those. working there, rudely, 21 Roscosmos

      and the result is from one Roscosmos want .... the same! lol

      And, do not forget that even with such funding, NASA suffered a terrible disaster.

      In Russia there is and will be a worthy segment in space, although smaller than the state, but its economy is smaller.
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 1 June 2020 08: 12 New
        -6
        Quote: Olgovich
        Quote: Bulls.
        What is the problem? As we worked in OUR interests in space, we will continue to work. What difference does it make for us, do the Omerygos have a rocket or not? This is their problem, not ours. We are doing well without them.

        NASA funding in more than TWENTY TIME EXCELLENT Roscosmos financing.
        Those. working there, rudely, 21 Roscosmos

        and the result is from one Roscosmos want .... the same! lol

        And, do not forget that even with such funding, NASA suffered a terrible disaster.

        In Russia there is and will be a worthy segment in space, although smaller than the state, but its economy is smaller.

        Yes, the one that we NEED the segment. and no one will squeeze us out of it.
      2. mole
        mole 1 June 2020 10: 01 New
        +8
        NASA's funding is more than TWENTY times greater than that of Roscosmos.
        Those. works there, roughly, 21 Roscosmos

        and the result from one Roskosmos want .... the same!


        Well then compare salaries. Maybe after that you will understand !?
        Comparison here:
        https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5bfc8aa06b2b7e235d49ca9c/skolko-zarabatyvaiut-v-nasa-i-roskosmose-5bfc8c84234b320fa073ba44
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 1 June 2020 10: 29 New
          -12
          Quote: Mole

          Well then compare salaries. Maybe after that you will understand !?

          Well, then compare the financing of corporations: maybe then you will understand ?! No.

          I recall that Roskosmos committed 40 (forty!) Successful manned flights-calm, measured is already achieved result!

          USA committed during the same period 0,5 manned flight-with hysterical screeches and screams, anguish, with unknown another result (years will show it)

          compare: 40 and 0,5. but "won" .... the Americans! belay fool lol
          1. mole
            mole 1 June 2020 13: 02 New
            +6
            Well then, compare the American presence in space and ours. It is clear that the Pentagon and the NSA are financing many projects.
            Yes, funding is better. Did our top managers just find out about this? Hardly. Then why so many projects were started from the "donkey a la Nasruddin" series? And why did all the projects turn out to be unsuccessful, incomplete? Miscalculated here and there? I am sure if you give them the same funding, the result will not be much better. Once again, they will not forget themselves, they will finance. It's easier to finish a donkey than to teach him to speak.
          2. Tavrik
            Tavrik 1 June 2020 23: 14 New
            +1
            Look not at absolute numbers, but at a trend. And she is such that we are on the decline, and they are on the rise. And then it will be worse. For in addition to everything else, the personnel base is dying. If the same Americans attract specialists from all over the world, then who do we attract? We rely on our cadres in the conditions of higher school degradation?
      3. ALARI
        ALARI 1 June 2020 10: 20 New
        +8
        You would be right about financing 21 times if the salaries in NASA and in Roskosmos were the same.
      4. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 1 June 2020 11: 34 New
        13
        Quote: Olgovich
        NASA's funding is more than TWENTY times greater than that of Roscosmos.
        Those. works there, roughly, 21 Roscosmos

        And Rogozin’s salary is almost twice that of NASA’s director. Roughly speaking, its performance is 42 times greater?
        1. Lister
          Lister 2 June 2020 00: 07 New
          14
          He gets too much for doing nothing yes
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 2 June 2020 00: 11 New
            0
            Quote: Lister
            He gets too much for doing nothing

            As explained, Ragozin has many bonuses for secrecy. That is, to chat less with a tongue. Stumble.
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 22 July 2020 20: 11 New
              +1
              In Roskosmos, there are also "comrade majors", secretaries. Receiving money and protracted research and work, awaiting signature.
      5. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 1 June 2020 13: 19 New
        +5
        Quote: Olgovich
        Russia has and will have its own worthy segment in space, albeit smaller than the state one, but its economy is smaller.

        This is defeatism.
        For the most important area, including for defense.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 22 July 2020 20: 09 New
          +1
          Suggest how to double or triple our budget request
      6. New Year day
        New Year day 1 June 2020 16: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: Olgovich
        NASA funding in more than TWENTY ONCE surpasses the financing of Roscosmos.

        NASA's budget 10 times more, and the salary of the head of NASA is one and a half times lower than that of Rogozin.https: //www.mk.ru/science/2020/05/28/otvet-rogozina-masku-nasmeshil.html
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 1 June 2020 08: 30 New
      10
      The same as the loss of launches of international satellites. Rather, skukozhivanie to 1-3 (since OneWeb died, then probably 1-2) Roscosmos will receive this money in any case. But now he will receive them not from other countries / companies, but from the budget. That is, instead of the next Su-57, supplements to pensions / zp, the money will go to repay loans to Roskosmos enterprises. That's all.

      Rogozin will always get his money, presenting it correctly - Rogozin saw in Debt Center Khrunichev threat to national security

      In November last year, Rogozin said that financial hole in the Khrunichev State Research and Production Center is 111 billion rubles. This amount includes debts to Roskosmos, penalties and fines for overdue contracts and loans. Debt is growing, because the salary of the center’s employees is actually paid by Roskosmos.
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 1 June 2020 08: 46 New
        -6
        OneWeb went bankrupt! And Roscosmos ?! Everything else is a market. There will be our offer FAVORABLE. will withdraw from our launch vehicles. I very much doubt that launching with a Nasov rocket is cheaper. ... only sanctions.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 1 June 2020 09: 04 New
          +7
          Well, OneVeb is the main customer of launches at Roscosmos for several years to come. And not the fact that they paid for the launch of the latter in full. Just because they in fact threw European and American suppliers without paying them and went bankrupt.

          This year, Roscosmos has only the UAE Spy satellite, they will look at Libya / Yemen through it.

          The next year, 1-2 Koreans.

          The missiles of the American colleges of Roscosmos are very popular by the way:
          - Atlas - they are bought either for joint projects (for example, SolarOrbiter, ESA research station with American participation flew this year) or the budget (military, intelligence). AT +2018 years launched (will be launched) - 0 commercial load from the market for these missiles.
          - Antares - for all history, this is an expensive rocket only NASA buys under the ISS supply program. And it will end soon, NASA is seriously considering the option of abandoning Antares and moving Swan to Atlas, this will increase the load to the ISS (and additionally help Boeing / ULA), with even less money.
          “Delta and Delta Heavy are the most beloved intelligence patties, the Pentagon.” Where else can you learn greenfield just on a rocket / launch. Hawick is the most expensive rocket in the world today. Last commercial launch 2011.
        2. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 1 June 2020 10: 11 New
          +3
          Despite the fact that Oniveb gave Rosscosmos a contract somewhere for 30 missiles, and now the contract puff has evaporated.
  • Bar1
    Bar1 1 June 2020 09: 59 New
    +5
    on the bottle9 are engines gyrfalcons -9 pieces.
    So these engines have a thrust of -85 tons and, most interestingly, they are of an open type. That is, part of the fuel is spent on turbine spinning, and not on thrust.
    -Merlin's weight is 490kg.
    Our Union uses 5 engines RD107 / 108,
    - mass RD107-1130kg.
    and the thrust is the same 85 tons and at the same time RD107 are closed-type engines.
    It can be seen that Krechet are TWO times more effective than RD107.
    -Soyuz ship displays NOU -7 tons of cargo
    -Ship Falcon9 at the NOU -22 tons.
    With an unarmed glance it can be seen that the Falcon is far superior to the Union. Due to what?
    - The starting mass of the Union is 310 tons.
    - The starting mass of the Falcon is 550 tons. and wherein
    -Falcon costs -52-62 mil.d.
    -Soyuz costs -48mil.d.
    -total weight of Krechetov -4 tons
    -total mass RD-107/108 -5.6tonn
    So the Falcon on its light, but not modern engines broke away from the Union THREE TIMES.
    -Ship Dragon with a crown, mass- 12 tons.
    -Ship Union weight -7 tons.
    And so the conclusions, that the Falcon has such an outstanding output load of 22 tons, is more than doubtful, most likely 10-12 tons for him is what it really is.
    Let's look at the next launches of the Falcon9, then the picture will be more clear.
    1. Red Dragon
      Red Dragon 1 June 2020 10: 47 New
      -2
      It is described that 22 tons, the payload of the Falcon on the DOE without returning the first stage. With a return, as when starting the Dragon, accordingly less. wink
      1. Bar1
        Bar1 1 June 2020 11: 02 New
        +5
        Quote: Red Dragon
        It is described that 22 tons, the payload of the Falcon on the DOE without returning the first stage. With a return, as when starting the Dragon, accordingly less. wink

        the Union without returning the first stage -7 tons.
    2. ghby
      ghby 1 June 2020 14: 02 New
      -1
      Quote: Bar1
      -Soyuz ship displays NOU -7 tons of cargo
      -Ship Falcon9 at the NOU -22 tons.

      maybe all the same it was necessary to compare with the proton and not the union. and there the numbers are about the same. Well, you also need to consider that the proton starts from a more unfavorable position - the closer to the equator the easier and more economical. And yes, they compared the gazelle with KAMAZ.
      1. Bar1
        Bar1 1 June 2020 14: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: ghby
        Quote: Bar1
        -Soyuz ship displays NOU -7 tons of cargo
        -Ship Falcon9 at the NOU -22 tons.

        maybe all the same it was necessary to compare with the proton and not the union. and there the numbers are about the same. Well, you also need to consider that the proton starts from a more unfavorable position - the closer to the equator the easier and more economical. And yes, they compared the gazelle with KAMAZ.

        no, it’s not right. It is necessary to compare ships with kerosene engines, rather than heptyl engines, as on Proton.
        As for the launch point, the Union launched from Kourou, which is even farther south than Florida, then the mass of discharged cargo at NOU is 9 tons. Again, much less than that of the Falcon.
        1. ghby
          ghby 1 June 2020 14: 36 New
          -3
          Quote: Bar1
          no, it’s not right. It is necessary to compare ships with kerosene engines, rather than heptyl engines, as on Proton.
          As for the launch point, the Union launched from Kourou, which is even farther south than Florida, then the mass of discharged cargo at NOU is 9 tons. Again, much less than that of the Falcon.

          It is right. You need to compare classmates, and which engine is secondary. Do not like Proton compare with Angora (heavy). Well, either continue to compare the gazelle with the KAMAZ, while saying that KAMAZ is better and the gazelle is nothing.
          1. Bar1
            Bar1 1 June 2020 15: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: ghby
            Quote: Bar1
            no, it’s not right. It is necessary to compare ships with kerosene engines, rather than heptyl engines, as on Proton.
            As for the launch point, the Union launched from Kourou, which is even farther south than Florida, then the mass of discharged cargo at NOU is 9 tons. Again, much less than that of the Falcon.

            It is right. You need to compare classmates, and which engine is secondary. Do not like Proton compare with Angora (heavy). Well, either continue to compare the gazelle with the KAMAZ, while saying that KAMAZ is better and the gazelle is nothing.

            your classmates, some second-year students
            -Proton mass -700 tons, heptyl
            -Falcon 9-550 tons, kerosene
            -Soyuz -310tonn, kerosene

            -Kamaz -Curb weight -9 tons -Diesel
            -gazelle -mass -1800kg-gasoline

            why it’s not taking you there.
          2. A.TOR
            A.TOR 1 June 2020 15: 57 New
            +1
            The proton ended (ends) in a natural way. Ecology s
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 1 June 2020 16: 01 New
              +5
              Quote: A.TOR
              The proton ended (ends) in a natural way. Ecology s

              there is no hangar, the proton ends, this is how the USSR ended, and this Russia did not begin.
        2. Octopus
          Octopus 1 June 2020 17: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Bar1
          Kuru, further south than Florida, the mass of thrown cargo at the NOO is -9 tons. Again, much less than the Falcon.

          When launching to the LEO, it is not the latitude of the cosmodrome that matters, but the inclination of the target orbit. The ISS has an inclination of Baikonur (51,6), so that launches from Baikonur to it are most energy-efficient. In fact, you just need to disperse the ship in pursuit of the station. When starting from Cape (latitude 28,3), it is necessary not only to disperse the ship, but also to turn it to 51,6 degrees.

          When starting at GSO (inclination 0), yes, you need to remove 28 extra degrees from Cape by turning the second step along the equator, and from Baikonur - 51,6 degrees, that is, a more southerly platform is more profitable.
          1. Bar1
            Bar1 1 June 2020 17: 35 New
            +2
            Quote: Octopus
            When launching to the LEO, it is not the latitude of the cosmodrome that matters, but the inclination of the target orbit.

            ships are not only displayed on the ISS, but other satellites are also being displayed, so the proximity of the launch point to the equator matters.
            1. Octopus
              Octopus 1 June 2020 17: 38 New
              +1
              When launched into GSO or beyond the limits of the Earth’s orbit - yes, it does. But you talked about loading capacity specifically at the NOU, it seems.
              1. Bar1
                Bar1 1 June 2020 18: 04 New
                +1
                Quote: Octopus
                When launched into GSO or beyond the limits of the Earth’s orbit - yes, it does. But you talked about loading capacity specifically at the NOU, it seems.

                but in low orbits, what does latitude not matter?
                1. Octopus
                  Octopus 1 June 2020 18: 44 New
                  +2
                  Again.

                  Any orbit has the center of the earth in the center. If you launch from Baikonur, which lies at a latitude of 56 degrees, then your satellite will fly in orbit, as if inclined to the equator, going 56 degrees to the north and south.


                  It is similar with Cape, but the inclination will not be 56 degrees, but 28. At the equator, the inclination of the orbit at launch will be zero.

                  So, if you do not care what inclination it will be. what you deduced is no difference. If you throw a satellite at the GSO, then the most profitable for you is orbit 0 from the equator. When starting from another point, you need to remove the extra degrees so that your satellite first flies like this

                  And then he lifted the orbit to the GSO.

                  So, since the "root" of the ISS was the Russian block, and it was launched from Baikonur, the entire station flies just over Baikonur, with an inclination of 56 degrees. The Americans with their Shuttles, removing their blocks, dragged them from 28 degrees to 56, Musk does the same with his ships. When launched specifically on the ISS, Baikonur is the most energetically beneficial.

                  Returning to the carriers, when they talk about carrying capacity in the IEO, they mean carrying capacity in orbit equal to the latitude of the cosmodrome. Here, the specific latitude does not matter.
                  1. Bar1
                    Bar1 1 June 2020 19: 02 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Octopus
                    Returning to the carriers, when they talk about carrying capacity in the IEO, they mean carrying capacity in orbit equal to the latitude of the cosmodrome. Here, the specific latitude does not matter.


                    well said, he understood what he said?
                    No, this is not so. The points of the Earth closer to the equator are already at a higher speed than at higher latitudes. Therefore, this speed is added to the speed of the ship, so the Union with Kuru raises 9 tons against 7 tons from Baikonur or is it not? And low orbit or high here does not matter, and latitude matters.
    3. zlinn
      zlinn 1 June 2020 15: 01 New
      +2
      the falcon has already taken out 6 tons each with a step return (16,5 starlings each)
      1. Bar1
        Bar1 1 June 2020 15: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: zlinn
        the falcon has already taken out 6 tons each with a step return (16,5 starlings each)

        and where did you find such information?
        falk 9 1-0
        The mass of the removed cargo at the IEO - up to 9000 kg and at the GPO - up to 3400 kg [24]. In fact, the rocket was used only to launch the Dragon spaceship into a low reference orbit.


        falk 9 1-1

        The declared mass of the removed cargo at the IEO - 13 150 kg and at the GPO - 4850 kg [14].


        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9
        1. Red Dragon
          Red Dragon 1 June 2020 16: 08 New
          0
          Check out the English wiki. Falcon 9 FT - 15 kg when landing. wink
          1. Bar1
            Bar1 1 June 2020 16: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: Red Dragon
            Check out the English wiki. Falcon 9 FT - 15 kg when landing. wink

            These are English pounds, they are smaller than the rest.
            1. Red Dragon
              Red Dragon 1 June 2020 16: 38 New
              0
              See the Russian Wiki "List of Falcon 9 launches". 75 launch. 15,6 tons are indicated there as well.
              1. Bar1
                Bar1 1 June 2020 17: 14 New
                +2
                Quote: Red Dragon
                See the Russian Wiki "List of Falcon 9 launches". 75 launch. 15,6 tons are indicated there as well.


                7
                On November 5, November 11, 2019, Starlink-1 v1.0, for the first time, the fourth successful launch and landing of the same first stage B1048 was made, the first reuse of the head fairing, the record of the mass of the payload to be removed was 15,6 tons.


                it doesn’t happen if you want to plant the first stage. then no 16 tons will be brought to the DOE, but 8-9 tons will come out.
                1. Red Dragon
                  Red Dragon 1 June 2020 17: 20 New
                  0
                  I didn’t weigh it personally. However, such information, about 16 tons, is given in various sources. wink To trust her or not, everyone’s business.
                2. Octopus
                  Octopus 1 June 2020 17: 30 New
                  0
                  Do not understand. In your Vika it is written that at the start of the Starlinks 15,6 tone with the landing of the stage is displayed. What does not suit you?
                  Launch of the first batch of sixty Starlink communications satellites, version 1.0, with a total mass of about 15,6 tons into an orbit of 280 km altitude, an inclination of 53 ° [202]. The first stage was first launched for the fourth time and landed on the Of Course I Still Love You platform, 629 km from the launch pad. For the first time, a head fairing was reused, the flaps of which were brought down and were caught from the water after the launch of the Falcon Heavy booster rocket with the ArabSat 6A satellite in April 2019. Planned attempt to catch both fairing wings on the Ms. Chief and Ms. Tree was canceled due to adverse weather conditions in the flood area [203].
                  1. Bar1
                    Bar1 1 June 2020 19: 23 New
                    0
                    Quote: Octopus
                    Do not understand. In your Vika it is written that at the start of the Starlinks 15,6 tone with the landing of the stage is displayed. What does not suit you?

                    pin_dos doesn't have much to do with it, starting from the lunar scam or even hanging out with Gemini after 13 days vigorously jump out onto the deck of the aircraft carrier, while our astronauts barely alive return after 6 days. So, believe that something has changed since American customs do not have to. They, as they lied, and lie further. They say they spoiled them.
                    In the first message I wrote that these open-type gyrfalcons already have obviously better characteristics, thrust and specific impulse than the same RD108 could not be otherwise, but somehow it turns out that with such engines their ship has much larger loads. here it is written by american tth fork on water.
                    1. Octopus
                      Octopus 2 June 2020 08: 02 New
                      +1
                      Well, if your Musk should answer you for the lunar scam, then there are no more questions for you.
                  2. Lister
                    Lister 2 June 2020 00: 21 New
                    16
                    Quote: Octopus
                    Your Wick says

                    There are so many things written on this wiki that you don’t even know where the truth is and where the fiction ...
                    1. Octopus
                      Octopus 2 June 2020 08: 01 New
                      +1
                      Yes, Vika is subject to attacks by the Comrades. Last but not least, Soviet patriots.

                      Therefore, if you see something strange in the wiki, you go to the sources, as a rule they are given. If there is a satellite - everything is clear.
        2. zlinn
          zlinn 1 June 2020 16: 21 New
          0
          this is the whole story, the Falcon 9 ft-5 is more powerful, but you don’t need to look at the calculated parameters, the starlins were launched, and the mass that was already taken out with the return of the steps, and one of them participated in the withdrawal of starlins 3 times
          1. Bar1
            Bar1 1 June 2020 16: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: zlinn
            this is the whole story, the Falcon 9 ft-5 is more powerful, but you don’t need to look at the calculated parameters, the starlins were launched, and the mass that was already taken out with the return of the steps, and one of them participated in the withdrawal of starlins 3 times

            as in the wikipedia article there is nothing about a full load with these satellites. Once you know the mass, can you tell me?
            Does the Russian word-satellite seem disgusting to you to pronounce?
            1. zlinn
              zlinn 2 June 2020 09: 09 New
              +1
              mass is known. in a cassette of 60 starlink satellites of 260 kg each by multiplying and adding 800 kg of the adapter on which they stand: 260x60 + 800 = 16400kg. and this data, of course, is in the Russian wikipedia article about starlink. I didn’t understand the last phrase
  • pereselenec
    pereselenec 1 June 2020 10: 04 New
    10
    Rogozin can only order in an emergency order to prepare the launch of the layout of the Federation with three patriots on board. Even if one way, but one more than the Americans. Can any of the local goofers volunteer to give our answer to the mattresses?
    1. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 1 June 2020 13: 22 New
      +8
      Quote: pereselenec
      Can any of the local goofers volunteer to give our answer to the mattresses?

      Rogozin alone is enough.
      1. alone
        alone 1 June 2020 20: 17 New
        +5
        Quote: Sergey S.
        Rogozin alone is enough.

        Let Sechin take it too
      2. Lister
        Lister 2 June 2020 00: 24 New
        18
        Quote: Sergey S.
        Rogozin alone is enough.

        Let him take Sechen, and Miller, and Gref, and Kudrin, and Chubais along with him.
  • NF68
    NF68 1 June 2020 16: 10 New
    +3
    Quote: tihonmarine
    I agree with you Roman completely, the trampoline worked, space flew by.


    Perhaps space has not yet flown. But it became closer to this span at least one step closer.
    1. Lister
      Lister 2 June 2020 00: 25 New
      12
      Quote: NF68
      Perhaps space has not yet flown.

      It all depends on the prerogatives of power. It is not noticeable that the space program interested them ...
  • Grading
    Grading 1 June 2020 16: 50 New
    +2
     To live and believe is wonderful.
    Cosmos was then in society in honor.
    The Soviet dreamers assured everyone
    That Mars will bloom apple trees.

    And now not that alignment, comrades,
    Do not see deep space without embellishment.
    Starting from America starting to rot,
    Musk on Mars will plan everything without us.

    And we can’t help the bourgeoisie anymore -
    They were sent away from sin.
    But in the case we’ll cover the hole with glue,
    To strict did not notice OTC.

    The whole situation is now
    Just not very sad for sour cabbage soup.
    On the trampoline, we tumble until vomiting
    The volume that Dima promised astronauts.
  • Lister
    Lister 1 June 2020 23: 34 New
    15
    In my opinion, we flew with space and the space race at the moment when we decided to work as "space minibuses"
  • Grading
    Grading 4 June 2020 05: 19 New
    -1
    Meanwhile, Space X

    And the launch of the Starlink-7 mission is already early in the morning in Moscow, June 4 at 4:25 (1:25 UTC / 9:25 pm EDT June 3)
    The next 60 SpaceX satellites are planned to be launched into orbit for the Starlink constellation.
    The Falcon 9 FT will launch from the SLC-40 site of the Air Force base in Florida and launch a payload with a total mass of 290 kg into low Earth orbit (18760 km). After which the satellites use their engines to ascend to a working orbit of 550 km. [/ Quote]
  • Mikhalych
    Mikhalych 4 June 2020 11: 17 New
    0
    There was information that in c.k. Dragon is the Russian docking system, and the Atlas rocket our RD-180 engines.
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 1 June 2020 05: 20 New
    21
    Yeah ... How proud we were of the first satellite, the first astronaut!
    And now ? Anger and frustration.
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 1 June 2020 05: 30 New
      29
      Yes, we arrived ... Forgive us, Sergey Palych .. There are no censored words ...
    2. apro
      apro 1 June 2020 05: 46 New
      +7
      Quote: Uncle Lee

      And now ? Anger and frustration.

      Why? For the Soviet do not need to swing around. They did what they could.
      For the Russians? But it's their choice ... money is more important than space ...
      1. polar fox
        polar fox 1 June 2020 08: 08 New
        +6
        Quote: apro
        For the Russians? But it's their choice

        for the Russians. or the Russians ...
      2. Bar1
        Bar1 1 June 2020 16: 03 New
        +7
        Quote: apro
        For the Russians? But it's their choice ... money is more important than space.

        it’s not the Russians who are at the helm of this Russia, and they have the golden calf in the gods.
      3. Lister
        Lister 2 June 2020 00: 28 New
        18
        Quote: apro
        For the Russians? But it's their choice ... money is more important than space ...

        This is not our choice. This is the choice of oligarchs and officials.
    3. ranok58
      ranok58 1 June 2020 09: 24 New
      12
      But the entire "elite" with money and children study abroad. And pride, anger and disappointment are the lot of the bare ones.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 1 June 2020 11: 47 New
        +9
        Quote: ranok58
        lot of holostany.

        In 17, the "hollow" bourgeoisie put on bayonets .... Let them remember this!
    4. Lister
      Lister 2 June 2020 00: 27 New
      18
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      How proud we were of the first satellite, the first astronaut!

      I am proud of the fact that we were the first in space. And now yes, anger, disappointment and resentment ...
  • Grading
    Grading 1 June 2020 05: 24 New
    38
    Everything is natural when failures are presented as successes. when not competency is exposed as professionalism but theft of the budget for a successful business!
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 1 June 2020 05: 34 New
      21
      Well, what can I say ... Rogozin is still a specialist, with whom we have such a cosmos ... It's a shame for the state.

      The trouble is, if the cobbler starts the cakes,
      And the boots stitch the pastry,
      And things won’t work out.
      Yes, and a hundredfold
      What who loves to take someone else’s craft,
      He forever others stubborn and foolish:
      It’s better to ruin everything,
      And glad soon
      The laughing stock of becoming light
      Than honest and knowledgeable people
      Ask il to listen to reasonable advice.

      I. A. Krylov
      1. Vilensky
        Vilensky 1 June 2020 08: 11 New
        +5
        Hammer, comment rating ++++
    2. AUL
      AUL 1 June 2020 07: 34 New
      15
      Quote: Grading
      Everything is natural when failures are presented as successes. when not competency is exposed as professionalism but theft of the budget for a successful business!

      But Rogozin is an effective manager, and Musk is just an upstart ...
      1. Lister
        Lister 2 June 2020 00: 32 New
        16
        Maybe the opposite is true? Musk doesn't seem to be an upstart wink bully
        1. AUL
          AUL 2 June 2020 09: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: Lister
          Musk doesn't seem to be an upstart

          Well, many wrote about this at VO, but they don’t write in vain! laughing
    3. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 1 June 2020 08: 09 New
      -11
      Link to MBX media - zashkvar.
    4. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 1 June 2020 16: 03 New
      +6
      Quote: Grading
      Everything is natural when failures are presented as successes.

      This is their negative growth called.
    5. New Year day
      New Year day 1 June 2020 16: 17 New
      +5
      Quote: Grading
      Everything is natural when failures are presented as successes. when not competency is exposed as professionalism but theft of the budget for a successful business!


    6. alone
      alone 1 June 2020 20: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Grading
      Everything is natural when failures are presented as successes. when not competency is exposed as professionalism but theft of the budget for a successful business!

      In short, balabol laughing
  • rocket757
    rocket757 1 June 2020 05: 25 New
    +2
    I was glad that I wanted, praised who I needed, scolded and then what?
    Everyone understands that everything is interconnected, to one degree or another, and for the most part directly and firmly!
    The system of governance, the functioning of the state is sick, and everything else will be upset.
    You can talk about it, but it’s empty, and the counter-question may come ... clear and justified - What did you do to fix the situation in the country ??? If such ... such races!
    And the answer can be given, almost the same ........
    And FOR THE POWER SORRY !!! For ourselves, we must be .....
    1. Lister
      Lister 2 June 2020 00: 37 New
      18
      Quote: rocket757
      The system of management and functioning of the state is sick

      Now I understand and know what "stagnant time" is. "Stagnant time" in our country now.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 2 June 2020 00: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: Lister
        Now I understand and know what "stagnant time" is. "Stagnant time" in our country now.

        Nothing like that. If compared with the Brezhnev stagnation, then there was a dead calm. But here it is generally not clear what will happen tomorrow.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 2 June 2020 06: 35 New
          +1
          Everything is relative. During the late USSR, the country lived its own life, albeit according to a plan ... we had everything in PRINCIPLE, but we need to consider it thoroughly, too many nuances arise. One thing can be argued, in the political life of the country, everything was "moving" on the brakes ... the only outburst occurred, they let the tagged goat into the garden and then the country reared, not childishly!
  • Alexander Seklitsky
    Alexander Seklitsky 1 June 2020 05: 32 New
    -5
    The Americans have already stepped on a rake, relying on reusability. So we will wait and see how tenacious their ships will be. Yes, I do not argue well done, but this is no reason to sing laudatory odes.
    1. Qas
      Qas 1 June 2020 06: 10 New
      14
      No, not right. They will of course stumble. Something they will not work, and so on. But in the end, they will master new technologies and come up with new materials, and reusability will become a profitable technology. And then we will understand that the train (rocket) left, and we were left with the useless technologies of the last century, but we will proudly sit on the pope and it is important to puff out our cheeks blaming the damned bourgeois and someone else. But not yourself.
      1. apro
        apro 1 June 2020 06: 18 New
        11
        Quote: Qas
        but we will proudly sit on the pope and it’s important to puff out our cheeks blaming the damned bourgeois and someone else. But not yourself.

        But is Russia not a bourgeois country?
        1. Qas
          Qas 1 June 2020 06: 25 New
          +3
          Bourgeois.
          The meaning of my text - our national problem is that we are always looking for the guilty around, but not in ourselves. The form of government here does not play any role.
          1. apro
            apro 1 June 2020 06: 30 New
            +9
            The leading class defines national problems. For Russia it is the bourgeoisie. Now they determine how to solve or not to solve this problem. In their hands today all the resources of the territory of Russia are concentrated. And how they effectively use it is clearly visible.
            1. Qas
              Qas 1 June 2020 06: 32 New
              +2
              No. National problems are determined by the nation itself. For example: fools and roads-have always been in Russia and under any authority (leading class).
              1. apro
                apro 1 June 2020 06: 45 New
                +1
                Quote: Qas
                National problems are determined by the nation itself.

                It's like? All in a single rush? I don’t understand ...
                1. Qas
                  Qas 1 June 2020 06: 45 New
                  -3
                  It's your problems
          2. nikolaj1703
            nikolaj1703 1 June 2020 07: 33 New
            +3
            The system determines the TASKS of the state, and if instead of the state a handful of liberals is the result.
            1. Qas
              Qas 1 June 2020 08: 23 New
              -1
              This block discusses the problems of Roscosmos as a state corporation of the Russian Federation in the light of the specific success of SpaceX. You propose to plunge into political science and the definition of "state". What for? What for? Why do people constantly appear with their "opinions" leading the reader aside?
              1. Oleg Zorin
                Oleg Zorin 1 June 2020 15: 20 New
                +6
                Roscosmos is only part of the whole. Systemic thinking involves looking for causes in general.
            2. Oleg Zorin
              Oleg Zorin 1 June 2020 15: 18 New
              +5
              Say "crooks", that's more accurate. And what kind of blabbery the crook covers up his theft / incompetence does not play a big role. The rogue will put on the mask that is most beneficial at the current time.
          3. ranok58
            ranok58 1 June 2020 09: 31 New
            +8
            You think naively. Or the form of government in the 60s, when they flew into space for the first time, was the same? Yes, we are guilty of putting on the neck of those who are sitting there.
    2. Bobrick
      Bobrick 1 June 2020 15: 11 New
      +1
      They stumbled not on reusability, but on inadequate requirements for this parameter (the Shuttle design was designed for 200 launches, despite the fact that they made no more than four dozen).
      At the same time, SpaceX unmanned launch vehicles already show the feasibility of a reusability requirement of 10 launches.

      PS It’s not worth mentioning once again about the profitability of a single-use rocket, this is Rogozin’s phrase, backed up only by the high cost of launching the Shuttles (mainly due to the lack of need to put a large load on the orbit).
    3. Lister
      Lister 2 June 2020 00: 39 New
      16
      Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
      Yes, I don’t argue, well done, but this is not a reason to sing laudatory odes.

      We do not sing laudatory odes to them. We say that it is necessary to change the leadership of Roscosmos. We say that the space program is important for the state, including in the defense of our country.
  • ruivit1988
    ruivit1988 1 June 2020 05: 37 New
    11
    In general, I think that in the abrasive future, we do not mean that we will not fly to the moon; we will cease the manned space program altogether. Since there are guarantees that the Americans will decide to drown the station, and build their own national or international. And what can we offer, but not what since one ill-fated module. In fact, we cannot overpower a barrel of stuffed equipment, so we will be asked to stand aside while adults are doing things. And then we wake up to stand to one side and look as if someone else’s station is flying in orbit, and ours will not be the one and the new ship which was just not called.
    1. Genry
      Genry 1 June 2020 10: 40 New
      0
      Quote: ruivit1988
      In general, I think that in the abrasive future, we do not mean that we will not fly to the moon, and the manned space program will cease altogether.

      You are right without understanding it yourself.
      There is simply nothing for a man to do in space, with his cosmic wind of highly energetic particles, from which it is impossible to defend oneself (a large spatial magnetic field, like that of the Earth, is needed). Man can only be in low near-earth orbit, and a step further: death or illness.
      All further development of Cosmos will follow the path of controlled bots with AI and human-like androids.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 1 June 2020 05: 39 New
    +5
    Roman, let's try to be objective! The United States did not kill its economy, it worked for the future, and did not rest on cheap laurels! One flight only says that the United States was able to start returning to space, and it will be possible to download their full return after three to five trouble-free flights. And, our "achievements" are calculated in the number of purchased foreign premium cars, in new yachts and penthouses! The space of this power is not particularly needed, only now the military requires satellites for themselves, otherwise everything would have already been at the mercy of the same Chinese. The most important thing for Russia is not to repeat the sad fate of uk-royna, not to give up our space developments for nothing, and not to completely kill astronautics in general, not only manned. We are starting to lose the race in space, we need breakthrough technologies, but a country without its machine tool industry is not able to provide its space industry with innovative developments. And the authorities are happy with everything. Our attitude to space will change only if Putin flies to the ISS. Then there will be money for everything - for machine tools, hectares of workers' wages, for new technologies. ...
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 1 June 2020 08: 50 New
      -13
      Well, the US economy was just killed, and therefore they give out the repetition of the achievement of the 60s as a breakthrough. But count on the yacht.
  • Grading
    Grading 1 June 2020 05: 43 New
    +1
    Only in a country where there is free competition, where a person and his abilities are in the first place, where the role of the state is reduced to creating better conditions for the development of science and technology, who can attract the best brains and give a better education will dominate in today's world what
    1. unaha
      unaha 1 June 2020 08: 45 New
      +2
      "will dominate in today's world" - not just to dominate, but what you have listed, the minimum necessary conditions so as not to simply slip into complete archaism.
    2. Antonio_Mariarti
      Antonio_Mariarti 2 June 2020 01: 01 New
      +2
      "Few of our compatriots know that the world's coolest game development company is located in Vologda (Playrix), the coolest tool for teamwork and creativity, which is used by 80% of corporations in the world, is developed in Perm (Miro), most of the web -servers of the world are powered by the software of Moscow NGINX, the world leader of backups and data recovery Veeam is from St. Petersburg, the fastest growing ride-hailing in the world and the global competitor Uber is from Yakutsk (inDriver), the California AR startup Magic Leap raised $ 2,3 billion, and its Tula competitor DevAR earns much more. Even from Nalchik, the company Axxonsoft grew, which sells software for recognizing video from surveillance cameras in a hundred countries for almost $ 100 million a year. There are also examples from Kiev, the company is a leader in checking English grammar (Grammarly $ 1 billion), Yerevan, photo editor with a capitalization of $ 1 billion (Picsart) The list is far from complete.

      These heroes built their unicorns in much more difficult conditions, but proved to everyone that it is not necessary to dream about distant countries, you can take and make a fairy tale come true. Here and now. In the modern world, this is possible from anywhere. "
  • Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 1 June 2020 05: 46 New
    20
    Let's call a spade a spade. The only real reason for the existence of Roscosmos in its current form is to serve as a feeding trough for a group of privileged persons. And that’s all. And how much budget money you don’t invest there, they will still steal a large part, and the next layout will be bungled for the remaining pennies.
    And so it is with us everywhere. Corruption and nepotism have literally corroded everything and no prospects are seen with this regime. Well, besides the status of a cheap gas station. But even without rockets.
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 1 June 2020 11: 26 New
      +3
      More precisely and not to say ..
  • Li17
    Li17 1 June 2020 05: 48 New
    13
    There is another deadline aspect that we forget about. The destruction of the caste military schools of the Strategic Missile Forces, in which there was precisely that potential, allowing one to have high-class specialists, moreover, as I noted not only in the Strategic Missile Forces. In particular, the school named after Marshal Nedelin in my Rostov-on-Don, which banged and replaced as usual ... I won’t be surprised that this phenomenon was codenamed in the CIA operation. Therefore, it is not surprising that rockets are not only no one to produce, but also to launch!
    1. Paul Siebert
      Paul Siebert 1 June 2020 13: 18 New
      +6
      Yes, Eugene, Perm also disbanded the Strategic Missile Forces command school.
      By chance or not, six months before this he visited ... Barack Obama, then not the president, but a simple congressman.
      And this is already under Putin!
      You will involuntarily think about conspiracy theories ... angry
    2. BigBoss
      BigBoss 3 June 2020 17: 09 New
      +2
      For this, probably, Serdyukov got the star of a hero ...
      1. Li17
        Li17 3 June 2020 18: 21 New
        +1
        Yeah, this is Vasiliev’s star for him. Heroic, how many suffered .... and did not surrender!
  • mark1
    mark1 1 June 2020 06: 00 New
    -21
    Which article is not beautiful ...
    1. It is unlikely that the prime cost of a flight on the Dragon and other Starliners will be strikingly different in the near future from the flight on the Soyuz. Tax by tax (variable value) and prime cost by prime cost
    2. We will most likely fly on Americans by offsetting - place by place.
    3. I don’t understand sobs at a possible loss of cab - did anyone really think that this was always?)))
    4. An electrician, a plumber and other respected people as informants is certainly good, but it’s completely not enough to perceive factory gossip at the level of the only true information.
    5. It is not necessary to personify all our "cosmic successes" exclusively on the person of Rogozin, for more than 20 years specially trained people (human beings, I would say) stood at the spaceship with whom we should ask about the current state of Russian cosmonautics and their current financial condition. And Rogozin - he is lying under tanks and undeserved spitting.
    1. Borz
      Borz 1 June 2020 07: 37 New
      -5
      Which article is not beautiful ...


      Cautious with criticism, here, it turns out, they do not like it.
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 1 June 2020 08: 03 New
        -8
        Quote: Borz
        Which article is not beautiful ...


        Cautious with criticism, here, it turns out, they do not like it.

        Yes, for such blasphemy, his soup will be banned mercilessly.
        1. Borz
          Borz 1 June 2020 08: 07 New
          -4
          That's right, colleague, there is such a thing. There are only 2 opinions of the author (unless it is Daman) and wrong. Approved with taxis.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 1 June 2020 21: 40 New
            0
            Do not worry, cheers-patriots are not banned here.
    2. Bykov.
      Bykov. 1 June 2020 08: 08 New
      -7
      Quote: mark1
      Which article is not beautiful ...
      5. It is not necessary to personify all our "cosmic successes" exclusively on the person of Rogozin, for more than 20 years specially trained people (human beings, I would say) stood at the spaceship with whom we should ask about the current state of Russian cosmonautics and their current financial condition. And Rogozin - he is lying under tanks and undeserved spitting.

      So this is the very salt.
      Why pay attention to the number of rocket launches, space launched objects, the cosmodrome built ... the author writes, and the caravan goes further.
      1. Bobrick
        Bobrick 1 June 2020 15: 21 New
        +2
        Nobody canceled space exploration, and on this field Roscosmos (one unsuccessful launch of Phobos in 2008 - all our successes) is already ahead of India (a moon rover for $ 300 million) and Japan (the first landing on an asteroid).
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 1 June 2020 16: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Bulls.
        and the caravan goes on.

        .. to the trampoline? laughing
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 1 June 2020 16: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: Silvestr
          to the trampoline?

          Colleague hi , and it’s useless to prove that their tacit approval was stolen from us and the cosmos is one of the most striking and illustrative examples here.
    3. Borz
      Borz 1 June 2020 08: 14 New
      -7
      Here, colleague, and I warned you, the minusers have already pulled themselves up, they are trying. But the truth, it is so ...
      1. mark1
        mark1 1 June 2020 08: 27 New
        -8
        Yes, let them try, this is their bread (holy). I have long had a firm belief in a cohesive corporate work (I would have known for whom)
        1. Borz
          Borz 1 June 2020 08: 36 New
          -3
          I think about it myself. On the site since 2012, I do not remember this before. Frank trolls and provocateurs have always been banned, and rightly so. But to punish dissent is, excuse me, puzzling. I repeat, why then do the authors publish articles? For discussion or for mandatory approval ?! Question.
          And, it would be nice then to return the minuses to the articles. I would join a friendly army of minusers.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 1 June 2020 21: 47 New
            +1
            First: the people began to see clearly, so the majority opinion on this site has changed. And your opinion has not changed, but who is to blame for what does not reach you, it has already reached many.
            Secondly, how cleverly do you call trolls people who express opinions that do not coincide with yours? And you put down cons for disagreeing with your thoughts and do it right.
      2. Roman123567
        Roman123567 1 June 2020 11: 23 New
        +6
        The cuckoo praises the rooster ..))
        And the author just described the truth .. as it is .. Like it or not for someone ..
        1. Bykov.
          Bykov. 1 June 2020 15: 00 New
          -4
          Quote: Roman123567
          The cuckoo praises the rooster ..))
          And the author just described the truth .. as it is .. Like it or not for someone ..

          Well yes, praise the cuckoo further.
    4. unaha
      unaha 1 June 2020 08: 55 New
      +4
      On the first point, there is such information: "Roscosmos will reduce prices for launch services by more than 30%, said the head of the state corporation Dmitry Rogozin at a meeting chaired by President Vladimir Putin, due to the dumping of SpaceX Mask."
      1. Alf
        Alf 1 June 2020 19: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: unaha
        "Roskosmos" will reduce prices for launch services by more than 30%,

        At whose expense the banquet, more precisely, will there be a decrease? Will they cut people back?
    5. Kronos
      Kronos 1 June 2020 10: 33 New
      10
      When Rogozin there were scandals with theft during the construction of the cosmodrome East, he was responsible for this?
      1. Alf
        Alf 1 June 2020 19: 21 New
        +3
        Quote: Kronos
        When Rogozin there were scandals with theft during the construction of the cosmodrome East, he was responsible for this?

        Replied. He said that there are no problems, give me some more money.
    6. Roman123567
      Roman123567 1 June 2020 11: 20 New
      +1
      Most likely we will fly on Americans by offsetting - place for place.


      When the cat has nothing to do .. he changes places ..))
      1. mark1
        mark1 1 June 2020 18: 25 New
        0
        You, Roma, certainly know better ..
    7. ruivit1988
      ruivit1988 1 June 2020 11: 40 New
      +6
      There is much more trust in sources such as locksmith electrical engineers than, moreover, Rogozin and that’s why. Here is a locksmith saying we have slag in space production, Ragozin claims that everything is just wonderful. Talk about things like a new ship, a new station flying to the moon. Only there is one thing but, no clipper flies, no Federation, no, no station, not even a module that has already been in operation for twenty years! There is nothing that they balabolit there. That's why I no longer have confidence in managers but in locksmiths. Since the locksmith is the most reliable and truthful source.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 1 June 2020 06: 06 New
    0
    What happened was about to happen.
    The joke is good, as you know, when a fun hour. No more.
    Let's see what happens with the cosmic world.
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 1 June 2020 06: 11 New
    -8
    Mr. Skomorokhov, do not be afraid, everything is possible in Russia! Now Roscosmos can safely send the astronauts to the dragon and finally create its LONG-awaited, space station RKS, and let these children of Satan roll somersaults on the ISS without us. Stop being export boys ...
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 1 June 2020 08: 21 New
      12
      RKS - just what to do there? Look, this is ours, everything else is NOT OUR. At the same time, at our station, there really is no place for experiments. Just sit in orbit, eat rations and draw earth?
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 1 June 2020 08: 57 New
        -9

        pictures from the pedivics. something is wrong, huh?
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 1 June 2020 09: 12 New
          +9
          So completely so. I just graphically displayed how it looks. They have all the scientific zones, the power station is also welcome.

          Here is an article on this resource on the ISS Russian segment, I recommend that you read:
          https://topwar.ru/155777-nuzhny-li-vy-na-orbite-nuzhna-li-orbita-vam.html
      2. boris epstein
        boris epstein 1 June 2020 09: 13 New
        -2
        By the way, a lot of money is paid for images of the earth's surface. From space, Soviet and Russian cosmonauts gave and will give data on mineral deposits to third countries.
      3. Whirlwind
        Whirlwind 1 June 2020 13: 58 New
        -3
        It's time to put the Science module into action. Accordingly, the scientists, whose places were previously occupied by the stars. The main thing is to have an INDEPENDENT space program, the rest will not rust!
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 1 June 2020 06: 15 New
    10
    American import substitution, Rogozin once again exposed himself as an idiot, who runs Rrskosmos.
  • Mikhalych
    Mikhalych 1 June 2020 06: 16 New
    +1
    With the collapse of the USSR, the entire space industry of a mighty country fell apart and completely degraded.

    The collapse began when the birthright was exchanged for "lentil stew". That is, when the USSR recognized the American landing on the moon, in exchange for trade concessions.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 1 June 2020 08: 48 New
      +2
      In exchange for what the United States recognized Gagarin? You need to think a little bit.
      1. Mikhalych
        Mikhalych 2 June 2020 13: 29 New
        +1
        In exchange for what the United States recognized Gagarin?

        Gagarin really flew around the Earth, in contrast to the Apollo missions to the moon. And this is a lot of evidence. And about flying to the moon, nothing but words and movies.
        This was the third trip to the moon of my husband. The first two we committed with him. However, I will write more about this. Baroness Jacobin von Munchausen.

        So you need it
        You need to think a little bit.

        hi
  • Old partisan
    Old partisan 1 June 2020 06: 29 New
    +7
    The most important thing is not a dream, the dream of deep space flight is the joy of exploring it.
    And there is only "economic feasibility"
    Making useless green papers.
    There will be no space for Russia as there is no longer industry. And most importantly, the youth’s eyes that are not burning from the knowledge of the new unknown.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 1 June 2020 08: 47 New
      -6
      Well, finance and build a rocket for deep space flight, in which, as we know for 4 light years, there is definitely nothing intelligible. More likely, too, one big Nothing. Oh yes, now, even with money, it’s impossible to build a rocket that can be brought to Mars at least a month, physically impossible.
  • viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 1 June 2020 06: 32 New
    10
    What is happening ... is called NATURAL SELECTION, and as if some would not name I. Mask and his affairs (multi-vector, for space exploration is only one of many directions he has generated in development) ... but yesterday he gave a hefty kick to swagger, incompetence , curvature and wretchedness of the spirit of those individuals who have eaten and merged the wonderful legacy from the USSR, which they inherited by misunderstanding. The worst thing is that these muggy NIZA leaders do not admit their mistakes are difficult because for this they need to have an elementary conscience.
    1. Oleg Zorin
      Oleg Zorin 1 June 2020 15: 27 New
      +3
      Bravo! Extremely accurate wording. To the core
  • Mikhail Tynda
    Mikhail Tynda 1 June 2020 06: 41 New
    -8
    And what terrible happened? Was it hysterical in the USSR when the US sent John Glen into space? Did they throw mud at everything like that? Demanding the removal of the Queen? Or, after the flight, the US was banned from our manned launches? What is the problem? China has flown, sooner or later others will. There is no doubt about it. It is necessary to work and develop, not hysteria and run around waving cowards with shouts: "The mustache is gone!"
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 1 June 2020 08: 16 New
      13
      Well, when Glen flew to the USSR, they had already done a group flight for XNUMX hours, and then Tereshkova, and Leonov was in active preparation with the first exit.

      At the same time, the USSR a little later, refused the request / proposal of the Americans to do a joint space moon program.

      So the maximum, all gone screaming started with Apollo. And that is not a fact.

      Here - they lost the load for which they paid good money. Sheikhs will certainly take part. But here, too, not everything is so rosy in competition. In the future (22 year withdrawal of this hotel), sheikhs will fly to the Dragons (probably) here. Where for oil tanks it will be possible to hold a space party with Don Perignon and the Girls. wink And for the money it will be cheaper than NASA paid for 1 place in the Union.
    2. Revival
      Revival 1 June 2020 15: 40 New
      +2
      That's it!
      It is necessary to work and develop, and not to hysteria and run waving cowards with shouts: Mustache is good! And they say they will fly on trampolines.
      "The trampoline works" (c). Beautiful spit came out
  • ava09
    ava09 1 June 2020 06: 45 New
    10
    (c) In general, despite the shaft of promises and optimistic statements made by Mr. Rogozin, who only knows how to do this - promise and tell tales, nothing substantial was invented in Russia. (c)
    If the authorities appoint a journalist to space, then she needs him to take advantage of the acquired professional skills. And we, as obedient kids, have to listen to the uncles of the tale. So in everything. Draw your own conclusions if you can ...-)
  • regdan
    regdan 1 June 2020 07: 13 New
    +5
    Rogozin as a true perspiration should throw himself from a cliff into the abyss.
    1. Alf
      Alf 1 June 2020 19: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: regdan
      Rogozin as a true perspiration should throw himself from a cliff into the abyss.

      We have not found that rock, as well as the Yeltsin rails ...
  • Million
    Million 1 June 2020 07: 26 New
    +4
    It is necessary to drive Putin and his whole team! Everything that is possible has collapsed. Unless except the army and hydrocarbons!
    They will not be able to do anything good in any field.
    1. Mikhail Tynda
      Mikhail Tynda 1 June 2020 09: 56 New
      -5
      Did Yeltsin develop and strengthen everything?
    2. Dart
      Dart 1 June 2020 11: 48 New
      -14
      what kind of specialist are you, in what area, you need to look, otherwise you don’t need to use a ... agitator, don’t you?
  • DWG1905
    DWG1905 1 June 2020 07: 26 New
    13
    Since I can judge by the aviation industry, I think things are going the same in the space and other industries. The main problem is the incompetence of the leadership, the dominance of the humanities who do not understand the hell in technology, even at a primitive level, and sometimes (often) they do not have basic ingenuity. My deep conviction of the humanities is a purely providing type of activity. Primary technique and technology. First, it was necessary to learn how to make stone tools, and then to cultivate philosophy under what conditions they can hit a representative of a neighboring tribe on the head and consider the cost of producing stone axes. My opinion is to drive the humanities out of power and administration, they should be where they should be, at the level of deputies. To write odes to space explorers, etc. etc. How it all ends, I think it’s a kind of cultural revolution, culture is primarily a technique and technology, in order to make a violin it is necessary to think hard in many sciences. When he will support us, he has not yet been supported, but soon this process will not be humane either. And the Americans are great!
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 1 June 2020 08: 44 New
      -10
      Compare the aviation industry in the 2000th and now. Somehow it’s not like deterioration.
      1. Alf
        Alf 1 June 2020 19: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: EvilLion
        Compare the aviation industry in the 2000th and now. Somehow it’s not like deterioration.

        Right Hundreds of IL, TU, SU filled the sky, everyone sticks their fingers at the flying Boeing and ask, what kind of plane flew?
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 2 June 2020 08: 24 New
          +1
          I repeat the question. What nafig Ila were in the 2000th? You can track the development of the process in time, or was born on Putin's maternal capital, and what did you not know before?
          1. Alf
            Alf 2 June 2020 18: 44 New
            0
            Quote: EvilLion
            I repeat the question. What nafig Ila were in the 2000th? You can track the development of the process in time, or was born on Putin's maternal capital, and what did you not know before?

            You will poke your wife, if there is anything. I live longer than you.
    2. Willywonka
      Willywonka 1 June 2020 09: 15 New
      +3
      The institution of private property is primary. Somehow V.V. Putin said about this that private property is the core of Western society. This is a skeleton ... on which meat is then stretched in the form of vessels, etc. Without the existence of real private property, nothing of the rest is possible. All this reasoning about humanitarians / physicists does not make sense. Beria was not a physicist, but he was an effective manager (with a reservation for the time being, of course). All the salt of the "new era" is a private company, the appearance of which is unlikely in our country. All we see is a comparison in projects like Zenit-Arena and Galitsky stadium in Krasnodar.
  • Borz
    Borz 1 June 2020 07: 26 New
    +1
    Another article by the author on this topic, the previous one was not enough. Not everyone understood that the space industry supervised by Rogozin had big problems, right? Let us trample on the weak body of the Russian cosmonautics once again.
    The author mentioned his "six informants" who no longer work in the space industry. Yes, people can and should be understood, in all families. And let's remember the times and the specialists who created everything that is the pride of Soviet (Russian) cosmonautics. Did they get exorbitant salaries? I think no. There was an idea, there was a desire to be the first in space. There was a dream. Now-commerce and material goods. Not we such, Life is such.
    Indeed, something is wrong, your will, in this industry. Total backwardness in technology, theft and corruption. What’s needed is not Rogozin’s empty bell, but a tough, uncompromising leader who can breathe new life into the space industry. With the army it turned out! After the scatter of the 90s, they gathered and brought the army to a new qualitative level, so why not repeat this here.
    P.S. This is not trolling, if that. My PERSONAL OPINION, not going against the law, morality and site rules. Whoever is afraid of criticism should not read. Right, Roman?
    1. Alf
      Alf 1 June 2020 19: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Borz
      After the scatter of the 90s, they gathered and brought the army to a new qualitative level,

      Because the "partners" began to openly hint at the dismissal of the Kremlin elite, the shield and the sword had to be revived, the need forced. And what makes space pull out of ...? There is a pipe, okay, the Lake cooperative does not need another.
  • Brigadier
    Brigadier 1 June 2020 07: 31 New
    +8
    What a surprisingly inspired face Rogozin has in the picture above ...
    It is in such a surprisingly spiritualized position that our space industry is today, under the vigilant leadership of the "great helmsman" of All Russia ...

    Thanks to great Putin for our amazing today!
    Sushi oars "rower" ... sailed ... recourse No. what sad request
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 1 June 2020 08: 43 New
      -9
      Yes, say thanks to Putin, for all the benefits that you now have, and for cars out of turn, and for actually Soviet social services. package. But it’s useless for people like you to do something constructive; you still won’t see it.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 1 June 2020 16: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: EvilLion
        Yes, thank Putin, for all the blessings that you now have

        Tell us more about the "benefits" that we have. belay
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 2 June 2020 08: 27 New
          -1
          Yes, at least free medicine, thanks to which we can’t die of the virus now, as in the USA, where a significant proportion of the population simply does not have honey. insurance. Free education, absolutely penniless cost of housing and communal services. Do not believe me, find out how in other countries. And so everything is correct, people do not improve how much life, they will not appreciate.
      2. Alf
        Alf 1 June 2020 19: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: EvilLion
        and for cars out of turn,

        Some have some kind of fetish car out of turn.
        Yes, and every year the social package is cut back.
      3. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
        Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 6 June 2020 02: 35 New
        0
        for all those blessings
        And for the fact that the Pentium 4 HT rushed to the Core i7, too, say thank you, Russophobe damned.
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 1 June 2020 07: 51 New
    +5
    I sincerely hope that Roskosmos will think about the loss of $ 400 million a year and still begin to work

    Do not think - nothing.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 1 June 2020 08: 10 New
    +4
    And what result could be expected from a company that was entrusted to a loser policy, a restless chatterbox? Although maybe this alignment was originally conceived.
  • hohol95
    hohol95 1 June 2020 08: 14 New
    +1
    The power engineer found a place in the largest shopping and entertainment center in the region, an electrical engineer works for a company serving elevators, and two hydraulic engineers work at a large agricultural machinery manufacturing enterprise. All in business. With a salary twice as high as the payoff in the same place of work. And most importantly: no liability.

    Do you think they have absolutely no responsibility?
    Not for the fire safety of the entrusted facility (SEC)?
    Not for the lives of people using elevators?
    Not for the reputation of an agricultural machinery manufacturing company?
    Not at all?
    And space. Space he is big ...
    Edmond Hamilton
    Thunder Moon Treasure
    1. OVERBOARD
    Maybe lucky here, John North thought in desperation. “Unless they think I'm too old.”
    .“And anyway, I had a job today, and we can eat,” said Mike Connor. - Look, guys, - canned food and synthetically for everyone.
    ...– To hell with the Company! Grumbled Whitey. - As if you are not a better interplanetary planet than all these unbaked babies that ride in their pelvis!
    North did not answer. What is the use of repeating this again? The rest are blind to the changes that have taken place. They still consider themselves young pioneers - interplanetary, flying with Johnson, Carew, Venzi and other great first explorers who discovered new paths in space with their historical flights to other planets.

    Once upon a time, science fiction writers dreamed that space would be conquered on the spacecraft created "practically on their knees". But then big corporations will take over ...
    Is "Dragon" this handicraft and collected from scrap?
    Or does the Mask not receive comprehensive government funding and support?
    They brought people to the ISS - well done. Now we will wait for their return!
    And subsequent flights ...
    And he himself would live to see the appearance of domestic components for a simple home PC in DNS ...
    1. Helmsman
      Helmsman 1 June 2020 09: 46 New
      +6
      You will not live, no one in Russia will give the production technology of modern processors, chipsets. There, a whole school is needed and the technological base. And the development is going so fast, while you copy the 32 nm process technology, 7 nm will appear.
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 1 June 2020 10: 59 New
        -4
        I don’t need to copy it. There are people smarter, younger, more ambitious!
        But according to the profile of work, I am responsible for the safety of people using the most ordinary elevators ...
        And to read that I have no responsibility - to put it mildly "amusing"!
  • Operator
    Operator 1 June 2020 08: 32 New
    -12
    I understand the sincere joy of the author of the article for the achievements of foreign cosmonautics, but here he is clearly waiting for a bummer - the US economy is steadily declining, racial riots throughout the country greatly contribute to this. So the money in the state budget to finance Ilon Mask will soon be reduced to zero.
    1. Carnifexx
      Carnifexx 1 June 2020 08: 41 New
      +8
      Musk has crushed commercial launches, or rather the entire share of the Russian Federation in them in the recent past. In other words, EVEN if we assume that "the US economy is steadily going downhill," then SpaceX is not so much threatened. By the way, a strong rise in unemployment in the United States will lead to a drop in labor costs.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 1 June 2020 08: 41 New
    -6
    Skomorokhov just touches me. Either he stubbornly ignores the contract for the Su-57, now he has decided that he is smart, and in the "Roskosmos" fools are sitting. Maybe he is from Ukraine and thinks there in terms of categories, but both in the United States and in Russia they think differently, and even if they cut them, they do it from profit, and not just plunder. So, sooner or later, SpaceX had to release some product. Although it took her to repeat the Gagarin flight more time than the USSR since 1945. Rogozin, on the other hand, produced so many pearls that it is no longer perceived otherwise than as a "talking head".

    How much does a Mask flight cost? Well, miracles do not happen, SpaceX is financially as private as I’m a Roman couple, and without state subsidies, it couldn’t be written on the site, in fact it turned out twice as much. The system for returning a part of the ship does not give any special economic results. Just unlike the author, those who actually make rockets are far from fools and understand how much those or other engineering solutions cost.

    The most interesting thing is that the author, apparently, was not told this, but space is really difficult. And the accident rate there is monstrous, one successful launch does not say anything, it simply does not give any idea about the reliability of the system. And we will learn about the success of the entire project only in 10-15 years, when there will be at least some statistics. The same "Shuttle", the thing was very necessary, and it even flew, and more than 1 time, but in fact the program turned out to be a failure, did not complete the assigned tasks, and disasters occurred. Most likely, the same would be expected for Buran.
    1. Oleg Skvortsov
      Oleg Skvortsov 1 June 2020 10: 51 New
      +8
      This is not in, Mr. Rogozin under the name Evilion write here?
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 2 June 2020 08: 29 New
        0
        Problems with logic? Sorry. Just not the exam here is to blame.

        And so, write me where I am wrong. What does Skomorokhov write nutty articles? Or that the United States finally did what the USSR had in the 70s? Where am I wrong?
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 1 June 2020 08: 43 New
    +5
    The only question is what figure Musk will announce for Russian cosmonauts who want to fly on an American ship.

    1. The figure has long been voiced. NASA continues to audit two places a year in the Unions, we agreed that instead of paying, NASA will also provide us with two places on the Dragon. In short, maybe we don’t need it, but we’ll have to fly.
    2. The space industry is rather conservative. This is due to safety requirements and the length of development and testing. Musk proved that the latest technology needs to be implemented more boldly and faster. In particular, all developments in the Federation and Orel should be thrown into the bin. The future ship should look like a Dragon, that is, it will not need an expensive fairing, quite heavy and technologically difficult to manufacture. It should be a fairing to itself, only cover the docking station with a lid and that's it. This will affect the weight characteristics of the entire complex and even improve safety.
    3. I am enraged by our docking stations. After all, the androgynous docking unit is our own development. After all, we shared it with the Americans when developing the Soyuz-Apollo program. And since it was cut off, apparently we are afraid that the Americans will arrive at our station when we are not there. And the Americans brought this site to very high perfection and can only lick its lips, watching how it works.
  • wlkw
    wlkw 1 June 2020 08: 58 New
    +2
    The article was written a little early, you can throw a tractor together with a plow into space without unhooking it. Technically, this is a "shit-question". The second part of the "Marlezon Ballet" remains - landing, as you understand.
    I hope that everything goes well and people do not die. And then we’ll start to take stock.
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  • Helmsman
    Helmsman 1 June 2020 09: 20 New
    +4
    All the problems listed above are systemic in modern Russia, when everything ends with a rally followed by a budget cut. Mr. Rogozin is no exception to the rule, another effective manager.
    In terms of personnel, it makes no sense for young people to go to Roscosmos to work, at least you can earn more with the siloviki than an engineer in Roscosmos, you can retire from 37 years and do whatever you want. The cadres who decide are not expected.
    All decisions in the Roskosmos company for the last 8-10 years are a series of incorrect assessments and decisions made. From here we lost the market for commercial satellite launches, and this is what our bread said. I don’t want to write about the cosmodrome and the Angara, and so much has been written right on this resource.
    In a private company, such a management would not have worked for a calendar year.
  • BecmepH
    BecmepH 1 June 2020 09: 32 New
    -6
    My six informants no longer work there. Gone and continue to work where and where. The power engineer found a place in the largest shopping and entertainment center in the region, an electrical engineer works for a company serving elevators, and two hydraulic engineers work at a large agricultural machinery manufacturing enterprise.
    You framed your informants. According to you, at one time they shared state (military) secret with you?
  • Bodipancher
    Bodipancher 1 June 2020 09: 39 New
    -8
    There is no need to panic very much, in fact, Mask only repeated what the Soviet Union did back in the 60s of the last century. Tales that the launch cost is several times lower than that of Russia are just tales for investors. There are laws of physics and economics and you can’t deceive them. The amount of fuel that needs to be burned to overcome the force of gravity will still be approximately the same, the salaries of personnel in the United States are many times higher, and this is the total cost. Moreover, Russian missiles have long paid for their development, and Musk is still essentially at the investment stage. Roscosmos, having lost its monopoly, will lose superprofits, but this was quite expected, I think it will spur the corporation to progress.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 1 June 2020 10: 16 New
      +3
      Fuel costs less than 1% in startup cost.
      There is such a thing as labor productivity, which is why hiring one person with golden hands is very expensive, more profitable than 100 crooked hands for a penny. What to buy an expensive machine is more profitable than a set of hand tools. Etc
      1. Bodipancher
        Bodipancher 1 June 2020 11: 32 New
        -7
        The Mask rocket is built on the same physical principles as ours, made of approximately the same materials. Ours have been produced for many years, Musk only carried out the first launch. The relationship between seriality and cost has not been canceled. Due to which the cost of launch can be five times lower. And it’s also interesting what is the basis for the assertion that our rockets are making crank arms, and that Mask has everything with golden hands? Liberalism of the brain?
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 1 June 2020 12: 27 New
          +7
          Where have you been for the last decade?
          For the Mask rocket, this is already 85 flights.
          For a manned spacecraft second
          And no, it is made of other materials.
          1. Bodipancher
            Bodipancher 1 June 2020 20: 02 New
            -1
            The first manned flight, and what other materials is it made of? Share the information.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 1 June 2020 22: 02 New
              0
              Musk has a reusable booster stage and a six-seater ship. These are the fundamental differences between our Union. So he did not just "repeat", but made a revolution.
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 1 June 2020 23: 37 New
                -1
                A ship with 7 seats, NASA will use only 4. Judging by the boxes, they will take additional loads
              2. EvilLion
                EvilLion 2 June 2020 10: 23 New
                +1
                It has long been estimated that the reusable stage pays off, and the reusability itself is additional. equipment and weight to be dragged, which means more fuel, which means even more weight, you need to use it somewhere in 30 launches. Of course, no one in the world began to get involved with such dubious expediency.
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 2 June 2020 11: 14 New
                  -1
                  As a result, after the success of the Mask, everyone rushed to make reusable rockets. So badly considered
            2. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 1 June 2020 23: 36 New
              0
              Aluminum-Lithium alloys. They can significantly reduce the dry weight of the rocket, but they are much more expensive. But considering that they are saved during landing, the business is extremely profitable
          2. EvilLion
            EvilLion 2 June 2020 10: 25 New
            0
            Have you counted every major shard in every blast per flight?
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion 2 June 2020 10: 22 New
          +1
          So the cost of the astronaut there is about the same as ours asked of the Americans.
  • vel1163
    vel1163 1 June 2020 09: 49 New
    +8
    Yes, that's right. Rogozin and Roscosmos are Hodja Nasreddin and a donkey. After 30 years or a padish, either a donkey will die. Greed, a desire to cut loot, impunity. Their children are as narrow-minded as they are. Well, how can they pay an engineer more than a top manager. This is nonsense. There are examples. After a tower at an engineering school, they offer work in another city, without a dormitory and without housing with a salary of 25000 rubles. How to live ! Apartment 16-18 t. In Austin, young people get from us under 50000.
  • alexey1213
    alexey1213 1 June 2020 09: 56 New
    0
    I don’t understand why Unions and Progress are outdated. What about Mask on rockets, engines on different principles work. Electronics is more perfect, but we have nowhere to buy a new one. The engines on our missiles are reliable and well-developed not only in work but also in production, regardless of when they were designed. Everything that we now call new is also not invented today, but it's still the same on the same principles and for the same fuel, but more expensive. Very big problems in organizing and managing such a feeling the more they pay the less they work by the way at KBHA. The designers and engineers need enthusiasts who will live their work and the financing is for specific goals and tasks.
    1. Alf
      Alf 1 June 2020 19: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: alexey1213
      We need designers and engineers, enthusiasts who will live their work, and financing specific goals and objectives.

      First of all, the will of the state is needed.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 2 June 2020 10: 25 New
        -1
        To shut up finally a click.
  • Esaul
    Esaul 1 June 2020 10: 04 New
    +6
    The current Putin regime is only doing what it squeezes the last drops of blood from the remnants of the USSR. When she no longer remains, they will fly away from us to their overseas residences. Rogozin is, of course, hollow, doesn’t know anything, absolutely incompetent and stupid.
    1. Bodipancher
      Bodipancher 1 June 2020 11: 48 New
      -8
      Curious how Putin's regime is associated with the launch of the Mask? Let me remind you that America for 9 years could not carry out manned launches at all and for some reason no one wrote that the Obama regime squeezed all the juices from the remnants of the Reagan era. All these years our ships have flown regularly and delivered cargo and astronauts to the ISS. And they will continue to fly, I hope the increased competition will make us move faster. In general, comparing modern Russia with the USSR is not entirely correct; the USSR was the second largest economy in the world, Russia is 11th. So compare it with Italy or Spain.
      1. Alf
        Alf 1 June 2020 19: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Bodypuncher
        In general, comparing modern Russia with the USSR is not entirely correct; the USSR was the second largest economy in the world, Russia is 11th.

        And WHO dropped Russia to 11th place? Enemies external or internal?
        1. Bodipancher
          Bodipancher 1 June 2020 20: 11 New
          -1
          Does that make any sense? It is necessary to develop the country, and not shed tears looking at the successes of Mask and others. Otherwise, 11th place will be remembered with nostalgia.
          1. Alf
            Alf 1 June 2020 20: 41 New
            +2
            Quote: Bodypuncher
            Does that make any sense?

            This is crucial, for those who destroyed it and are now in power.
            Quote: Bodypuncher
            It’s necessary to develop the country,

            So what's the problem ? What is in the way?
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion 2 June 2020 10: 27 New
          +1
          Given how much the economy has grown under Putin, and Russia is in 6th-5th place, it is clearly not Putin. But you voice louder, they don’t hear on Mars.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 2 June 2020 01: 18 New
        -1
        Quote: Bodypuncher
        America for 9 years could not carry out manned launches at all

        Could. They just decided to ride us while they made their rockets. We would refuse that it looks fantastic, would fly on shuttles, simultaneously creating rockets.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 2 June 2020 10: 28 New
          +1
          Of the 4 shuttles, 2 crashed, and the program itself did not achieve its goals. Actually that's why it was turned.
      3. EvilLion
        EvilLion 2 June 2020 10: 26 New
        +2
        Russia is now most likely on the 5th, because everything is sad in Germany.
  • pereselenec
    pereselenec 1 June 2020 10: 18 New
    +2
    What else can you say ...

    GRU received footage of yesterday's celebration in the US

    Submitted by By Alexander Geller Sunday, May 31, 2020
  • Bygyk
    Bygyk 1 June 2020 10: 22 New
    -6
    Well, finally, the Pin-dos trampoline worked, and then Roskosmos was already tired of carrying these assholes
  • Oleg Skvortsov
    Oleg Skvortsov 1 June 2020 10: 56 New
    +5
    Thank you Roman. very strong article. Under I.V. Stalin, such Rogozins would have long worked at the sawmills of their beloved Motherland, practicing soldering
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 2 June 2020 10: 29 New
      +1
      Rather, such as the author, for spreading misinformation and alarmism.
  • A.TOR
    A.TOR 1 June 2020 11: 12 New
    +7
    It makes no sense to sprinkle ash on your head in the same way as pouring water on Elon Mask's slop.
    Elon Musk is a great man, great for his stubborn dream of space. If you think about it, he can, according to the results of his life, stand on a par with Brown and Korolev. And if Starship flies, then it will worthily take first place in the history of world cosmonautics.
    But that is not the point at all.
    Why was the USSR able at one time to become a leader, albeit for a short time, in space exploration? Because the interest in it - "striving for the stars" - swept wide circles of the population. It is foolish to think that the "party and government" did not see this - far from all those present know how strongly and powerfully the "cosmic fantasies" of Sergei Pavlovich were supported by whom do you think? Quite right: the party organs "in the localities"
    The reason is that these very "organs" saw the wide enthusiasm of the masses, all these circles of "young cosmonauts", planetariums and so on. and they understood how much interest in space unites and unites people.
    Figuratively speaking, young people “were on fire” (he himself was like that).
    This was important because all this support "from below" provided - through party ties - the strongest pressure on the warriors, who stubbornly wanted to focus on only the military component.
    Yes, they saw and understood a lot, but the mass support by the population of exactly PEACEFUL space was and influenced the allocation of funds.
    If VO wants the cosmonautics in Russia not to die, it is necessary not to scold / praise Mask - he will survive without noticing both - but start doing what can be done to restore the interest of the "broad masses" to space topics.
    You need 2 simple things for this:
    1. Start a wide cycle of articles on space exploration, specifically about science, speak in a simple, understandable language, tell in a large cycle of articles about all studies of the solar system - and Soviet studies on Venus, American achievements on Mars, flights of automata to outer planets. Pioneers and Voyagers, Hubble, Rosetta and others. The articles are serious, albeit popular. There are many photos and videos, forecasts for the development of certain areas of research, descriptions of upcoming projects. It is natural to raise questions of future research, which are still being discussed by the same Mask on Mars, on the Moon, to recall the projects of different countries since the 50s on nuclear spacecraft, to talk about the most "challenging projects" of flights to distant planets up to attempts to get to Proxima Centauri.
    Of course, it’s really not worth falling into fiction, it’s superfluous.
    2. Stop repeating about the machinations of enemies, talk about achievements - and they are huge! - Americans as the achievements of all mankind.
    Remember that Yuri Alekseevich Gagarin is a citizen of the planet Earth
    1. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay 1 June 2020 11: 35 New
      +8
      Gagarin, Yuri Alekseevich - a citizen of the Soviet Union and Colonel of the USSR Air Force - this is the first.
      Second, the support of "broad circles of the population" is not a cause, but a consequence of the successes of Soviet cosmonautics. And their true reason is the competition between the superpowers and the political systems they lead. Competition faded - astronautics began to fade as well.
      1. A.TOR
        A.TOR 1 June 2020 15: 49 New
        -2
        Time passes and gradually in the memory of people the details of the first steps of mankind on the path to the stars will begin to fade. How many people in the world now remember who Columbus is? Magellan? And Vasco da Gama? People remember accomplishments, events, facts. In 100-150 years, it will be completely irrelevant who Gagarin was in life - what he did is important.
        If you and people like you are now, at the present time, to the place, and more often not to the place, to remember the "political color" of the first person in the universe, then quite a lot of people in the world who "do not particularly" love the USSR will willingly or unwillingly belittle this greatest feat. And given that the vast majority of them are citizens of Western or Western-oriented countries, the effectiveness of their "antipopulation of Gagarin" will be relatively effective.
        This is causing enormous, although not noticeable to many, harm to Russia today, and not only in terms of space activities.
        Separating yourself from humanity is both funny and stupid. And most importantly, it is futile.
        I am not ready to enter into a discussion about the causes and role of the competition between America and the USSR in space. These things are quite understandable to everyone who remembers a little history. I can only say that the existence of people such as Brown and Korolev is a factor no less important - they were the ones who managed to captivate with their ideas a huge number of people whose work and talent generated all these successes. Yes, countries competed, but honestly, to whom now, from the younger generation, is this especially important? They, young people, need not be interested only in past victories, but in stunning FUTURE prospects!
        This is a difficult and magnificent story, but a story.
        And cosmonautics is not dying away now - over the past ten years, automata have been able to visit all the planets of the solar system, constant and, it must be said, very effective searches for planets near other stars with the help of orbital instruments have begun, autonomous planet rovers to Mars have been delivered and are operating. This is all available according to the results of the whole world, no one hides anything.
        This is the movement of mankind. Finally, the level of technological development made it possible to start private business in space, which means that space will soon become an arena of application of intellectual efforts by an order of magnitude more participants than before.
        And you are all "a citizen of the Soviet Union and a colonel of the USSR Air Force" ....
        By the way, the Soviet Union is capitalized - like this: Soviet Union
        1. Ded_Mazay
          Ded_Mazay 1 June 2020 19: 20 New
          +1
          lol
          How are you doing great: "For the sake of preserving our historical heritage, we need to give it up" - well, clean water "1984" Orwell. Can you start writing books too?
          1. A.TOR
            A.TOR 1 June 2020 20: 05 New
            0
            There is no need to give up anything; we must strive to occupy AS BIGGEST of the productive component of human history. New technologies and the implementation of new opportunities with their help. It sometimes seems to us that not all of them are "positive" in their essence, but only the future will judge what is good and what is bad.
            At one time in the USSR, many of today's novelties (for example, what is called a "gadget") were "invented", and often created in the form of prototypes, and extremely beautiful engineering solutions of the most complex engineering problems were found. And where was it all implemented? Why not in the USSR / Russia?
            Because these wonderful things were not created as "meanings", followed by their conscious, meaningful introduction into the life of society.
            And the reason for this is simple: in a state where the way of life, its short and long-term agendas are determined by some abstract "state" (and in fact a very small group of people, in fact, usurped the right to determine how to live and what to strive for the bulk of citizens), the creation new meanings that expand the boundaries of the capabilities of the individual is harmful, and often dangerous for this very state.

            That is why "freedom is better than non-freedom", and that is why countries with a totalitarian society can and create new technologies, but cannot use them for the benefit of people.
            The goals of the "state" are different: everything that is needed for strengthening, the rest is in the bucket.
            Although, in fact, nothing strengthens the country and protects it from collapse, as improving the quality of life of citizens.
            By the way, new meanings often themselves become a catalyst for the emergence of material realizations.
            By the way, here is an example of the chain nature of the mutual realization of meanings and their material embodiment: a radiotelephone appeared - at one time - to ensure its wide functioning, they created a cellular communication system - to expand it and increase its coverage, satellite systems were created - Ilon Mask launches thousands of satellites to create united global network.
            This is how the radiotelephone made SpaceX meaningful.

            You read Orwell, apparently, in a poor translation.
            I write books.
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion 2 June 2020 10: 34 New
              +2
              Do you know that the USA is an extremely totalitarian state?
            2. A.TOR
              A.TOR 2 June 2020 10: 34 New
              -1
              In the know because I have US citizenship
            3. Ded_Mazay
              Ded_Mazay 2 June 2020 19: 30 New
              0
              Yes, the quote "Brevity is the sister of talent" is clearly not one of your favorites ...
              I'll tell you directly, after the phrase:
              Quote: A.TOR
              We must strive to occupy the LARGEST part in the productive component of the history of mankind.
              the desire not only to argue with you, but even to read to the end, has disappeared by itself.
              That's where you get the idea that you can single out some "productive", and therefore "counterproductive" part of the story?
              For example, very roughly, Napoleon brought Europe a decade of wars, and he also presented it with the Napoleon Code, which laid the foundation for the process of codification of European legislation. To what part of history should its historical role be attributed? A moot point, isn't it?
              It seems to me that you did not really think about the meaning, but simply screwed it in for the sake of the red word, according to the principle - "I am an artist, I see it that way."
              1. A.TOR
                A.TOR 2 June 2020 19: 33 New
                0
                Out of respect for your age and merit, I will answer:
                I have no opportunity to discuss what is happening in your head and as you understand me.
                Best regards
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    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 2 June 2020 10: 33 New
      +2
      What is Musk great? The fact that SpaceX bought, which is on the state. money did what it was in the USSR already in the 70s? Well, as I did, one start-up, before that everything exploded, there are still years of work ahead, and God forbid, if there are only accidents with trucks. Or maybe in Tesla, which brings only losses? For the most part, he is a swindler, not engaged in the engineering part, but in pushing various dubious projects.
      1. A.TOR
        A.TOR 2 June 2020 10: 39 New
        -1
        Why repeat this? Space created Musk, money is not state, government orders and financing for them.
        America is a much less naive country than you think, if money is given, it is worth it.
        In the USSR, it’s not like in the 70s, and now there is nothing like it, and it won’t be soon.
        Accidents - there will be, and many, Shuttles seem a trifle, compared with dozens of those killed in the coming years.
        But thousands will fly
        And Tesla is a cool thing, I stand in line
  • Ded_Mazay
    Ded_Mazay 1 June 2020 11: 16 New
    -8
    Again, "everything is lost"?
    Somehow it reminds me of cries that the kirdyk has come to our army and defense industry and will not save anything from it, which existed until 2012-2014. Very reminiscent of ...
    As for Space-X's, in 2014, Musk promised that the manned launch of the "dragon" would take place in 2016. But apparently something went wrong ...
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  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 1 June 2020 11: 36 New
    -7
    Do not cry dear, the striped didn’t do anything supernatural, they just brought a couple of people to the ISS. So we deliver them in batches, so what? What a fashion from a fly to inflate an elephant.
    1. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay 1 June 2020 11: 41 New
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      The fashion is called "Everything is lost ...". Unfortunately, recently on VO this can often be seen. And after all, the main thing is, just object - they will immediately hesitate, regardless of the arguments.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 1 June 2020 11: 44 New
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        We need to be afraid of others, our southeastern partners of 1,5 billion, and the striped ones are already in the red.
        1. Ded_Mazay
          Ded_Mazay 1 June 2020 11: 57 New
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          It seems to me that there is no need to be afraid of anyone - you need to keep an eye out and observe your interests.
          Ideally, to be in the role of that monkey, who is sitting on a tree watching tigers fight in the valley laughing.
          As for the star-striped, it seems to me, you are in a hurry to write them off. On the contrary, they are now more dangerous than ever.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 1 June 2020 12: 04 New
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            You have the right to such an opinion, but the Chinese have already stuffed their nose even in the Crimean Dzhankoy.
            1. Ded_Mazay
              Ded_Mazay 1 June 2020 12: 26 New
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              Quote: Ros 56
              You have the right to such an opinion

              Certainly.

              PS we didn’t have time to talk a little, as we were already bombarded.
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  • krops777
    krops777 1 June 2020 12: 02 New
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    And the “Progress” that we have is a regression. These are ships of 50 years ago, which are slightly modernized.


    Are you a respected author, specialist, and have personally participated in the modernization of Progress? Write what you know and we have someone to carry the blizzard.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 June 2020 14: 07 New
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      Roscosmos has several directions for the extraction and mining of rare-earth metals on the Moon, later on meteorites and asteroids; the creation of a reusable cargo and manned transport system; the sale of rocket engines for everyone; the training of astronauts from other countries; the sale of equipment for interplanetary expeditions and research; the construction of satellites for other countries the creation of their space broadband Internet is work on the creation of new rocket engines - but whatever you do in the future, you will have to reduce staff from 240000 people to 120000 and invest hundreds of billions of rubles in modernizing the entire industry because in the form in which it exists now it is simply not viable - pump for budget funds with near-zero efficiency.
      1. Alf
        Alf 1 June 2020 19: 42 New
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        Quote: Vadim237
        in the future it will be necessary to reduce staff from 240000 to 120000

        It is interesting to know who will be laid off, workers or "effective managers"?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 1 June 2020 22: 20 New
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          Both of them - a more compact system with modern equipment - are more agile and controllable.
          1. Alf
            Alf 2 June 2020 18: 48 New
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            Quote: Vadim237
            Both of them - a more compact system with modern equipment - are more agile and controllable.

            That's just the practice of the last 20 years shows that workers are flying out, and the managerial staff is growing by leaps and bounds. On my Kuznetsov, for 15 years, they only reduced workers and technologists with designers, but the directors, their deputies and their other lackeys not only did not touch, but also increased the number.
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  • BAI
    BAI 1 June 2020 13: 55 New
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    Where now will Russia throw in space?

    Thanks to Rogozin - into the trash. NASA's budget is 10 times that of Roscosmos. The salary of the director of NASA is 1,5 times less than that of Rogozin. For that, the salaries of NASA engineers are several times higher than the salaries of not just ordinary NASA engineers, higher than those of the central office of Roscosmos. Here are the results. This is not counting the Mask.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 June 2020 17: 02 New
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      Rogozin in the space industry is only two years old - neither Rogozin needs to be changed here, but the industry as a whole needs to be optimized and modernized too much it is staffed and expenditure management large, in fact, it was a complete brake for 30 launches per year, the staff of 240000 people is very redundant equipment and salaries are scanty .
      1. Alf
        Alf 1 June 2020 19: 44 New
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        Quote: Vadim237
        outdated equipment and meager salaries.

        So what prevented earlier upgrade and upgrade?
        Quote: Vadim237
        Rogozin in the space industry is only two years old

        Rogozin already changes what managerial chair in turn, and the results are nowhere to be seen.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 1 June 2020 22: 26 New
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          The lack of money in the budget and the lack of any intelligible space strategy for the country in general - and here comes Mask with his office and turns the entire launch industry upside down around the world, showing an example of how to make space efficiently and quickly.
          1. Alf
            Alf 2 June 2020 18: 51 New
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            Quote: Vadim237
            Lack of money in the budget

            Do you have them now? To space, and not to the next championship-olympiad?
            Quote: Vadim237
            the absence of any coherent space strategy for the country in general

            So she is not visible now.
            Quote: Vadim237
            showing an example of how to make space efficiently and quickly.

            Our "effective managers" no Musk decree.
  • KSVK
    KSVK 1 June 2020 13: 58 New
    +3
    Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
    This is not in, Mr. Rogozin under the name Evilion write here?


    Not. This is Olgino paid a salary. So activity flooded. laughing