Defilers of war memorials in Russia: facts and reaction

Fry the barbecue on the Eternal Flame, boil water in a bucket at the memorial to the fallen soldiers, arrange the shooting of a dance clip at a military grave. All these are episodes of how individual fellow citizens openly try to abuse the memory of the heroic past, of the Great Victory over Nazism.

Saying that all these episodes are “taken out of context”, that they are “purely random”, that these are just “youth jokes” and that all this should be taken calmly, cannot be defined.

The fact is that these modern vandals do not just desecrate the Eternal Flame as a symbol of memory, they also give an occasion to the “friends of Russia” to once again make statements of this nature: “You blame the head of the Prague-6 district for dismantling the monument to Marshal Konev, but look what’s going on with you. ”

In such a situation, the answer and reaction are unequivocal: all manifestations of barbarism at war memorials are closely watched by law enforcement agencies. In contrast to a number of countries of "enlightened" Europe, all these persons sooner or later come to light and become persons involved in cases. They do not remain without punishment. Often they, already apologizing, face the camera.

This is an unshakable rule, which should be remembered by those who are still going to arrange a provocation at the Great Patriotic War memorial in one or another Russian city.

The problem and what is connected with it are described in NTV material "Fallen against the fallen."

Comments

[Atlant-1164]

"To fry a barbecue on the Eternal Flame, to boil water in a bucket at the memorial to the fallen warriors, to shoot a dance video at a military grave"
- all the same .. must be done with those who allow themselves .. mock the military obelisks, and burial ..

[Aleksandr56478]

that's right, I would add to this: to dance a strip-dance in the form of the Second World War, stick a moronic sticker on the car in the style of "We can repeat it!", throw the portrait from the "Immortal Regiment" action in the trash.

[Terenin]

Quote: Alexander56478

that's right, I would add to this: to dance a strip-dance in the form of the Second World War, stick a moronic sticker on the car in the style of "We can repeat it!", throw the portrait from the "Immortal Regiment" action in the trash.

Now the liberal democrats (and homegrown, such as Gozman and K, and from outside) will begin to resent ... they say, this is ... not expedient ..., not humane ..., this is a scientific problem ... "onizhedeti" ...
How many more of these enemies to listen to?

[Tatyana]

In 1986, under the leadership of the Soros Foundation, a liberal "restructuring" of school education in the USSR began in our country.
The skirmishers were the teachers themselves, who were distraught by the possibilities of paid and uncontrolled education in the country that had opened before them in a stupid way.

At the same time, education with teachers turned into a service for parents, and the upbringing of schoolchildren simply fell out of the scope of the teacher as a teacher at all.
The teacher corps then turned into the worst-known gray mass for their Fatherland.

In moral terms, at that time only the old teachers of the Soviet school were worthily fulfilling their teaching duty!
And young teachers turned into mercantile rumblers and historical-anti-Russian nonsense!
I remember, I was still wondering where the conscience of the teacher’s corps had gone ?!

[stalki]

The skirmishers were the teachers themselves, who were distraught by the possibilities of paid and uncontrolled education in the country that had opened before them in a stupid way.

Cool, blame everything on the teachers, and min.obraz. here of course nothing to do with it? You’ll roll a barrel into the brazen teachers, aren’t you ashamed to carry such nonsense? Of course, teachers ruined the system, managers have nothing to do with it. Mommies just now understood what a teacher’s work is, provided that the teacher teaches several classes with dozens of students, and mummies can’t cope with two, three savoys. Have you worked in education? If they worked, they would not carry such nonsense.

[Tatyana]

Firstly. I'm not talking about today's corps of teachers, but about the perestroika years and the beginning of the 1990s.
Secondly. If I talk about this, then I know what I'm talking about.
Before my eyes, all this happened in the late 1980s and 1990s. And I do not have a reverence for the modern mercantile-selling teacher corps, because I know the teachers well - as flaky. I had to write more than one examination of school reforms. And not one teacher had to check the quality of his work with students during the lessons.
So do not be ashamed of me for the truth, uterus!

[stalki]

I know the system from the inside. Such experts as how can you know about the learning process, have you taught at school for at least a couple of years? Anyone who himself did not work in the field, did not try on this profession, cannot give any ratings. I meet with such high-minded opinions in life very often. They didn’t slurp, but they know everything better than those who are on the transfer. Do you know what fiction system exists by academic performance from directors of schools and district committees? And all this is seasoned with the concealment of senior officials.

[Tatyana]

Yes, I know the school and the teaching staff from the inside! I have a pedagogical and psychological education in the framework of graduate school.
Too bad some of you mid year for a blatant marriage in work not to be kicked out of school, a replacement is simply hard to find in the middle of the year. And such questions have arisen more than once.

Quote: stalki

I meet with such high-minded opinions in life very often.

There would be no reason - would not have met!

Parents, as a rule, want only good things for their children and have high hopes for their children's teachers. They even cajole in front of a teacher who is only misbehaving for a lagging child, so that he would be able to get rid of such a student! There was nothing like this in the old Soviet school.

I do not know what you teach and how - maybe you are a Golden Teacher, but to defend the "honor of the uniform" for the entire teaching corps is not reasonable and not right on your part!

[stalki]

It is a pity that not a single teacher will go against the directors, would you look like tears when the director on the side of the middle mother with two classes of education openly humiliates the teaching staff. And apparently you did not teach. You are such experts green dime a dozen, but the point is, such as you system and lynched. Previously, the teacher was an authority and everyone listened to him, now the parents of the 90s have authority and directors along with rono, just to not lose their place. Teachers filled up with a heap of papers, hung electronic documentation on it, they are not allowed to make objective assessments, they pay pennies, experts pour all kinds of dirt on methods and didactics. Methodists walk fingers bend. You work directly in the system, take a sip of modern childish impudence without ideology and upbringing, and then evaluate it. We invariably have one thing in Russia, the barbarism of higher-ranking individuals who do not know the subject from the inside, but allow themselves to teach teachers. Education in profile, gives nothing but a theory that crumbles to smithereens in real conditions.

[Tatyana]

Quote: stalki

Previously, the teacher was an authority and everyone listened to him, now the parents of the 90s have authority and directors along with rono, just to not lose their place.

And I said, I warned teachers about this, that it will be so. But they were in the late 1980s, as they say, incurred a bit of a bite! Teachers said in the eye that they also want to receive salaries at their workplace, as owners in cooperatives! And for this they themselves absolutely did not represent anything at all.
But in the elections to the Election Committees, teachers cheated in an honorable way in favor of the liberals and Yeltsin!
Teachers have no mind - and never will.

[Lyuba1965_01]

Sorry to interfere with your conversation, but it's strange to me: what kind of pedagogical and psychological education do you have if you wrote the word "cheated" with such a gross mistake. I can't write down that you accidentally pressed the wrong key, keys with letters " e "and" and "stand far from each other and on different lines of the keyboard. If you offended - I'm sorry, but I can't think of anything else.

[Tatyana]

Yes, the check is a swindle.
Well, I wrote - they cheated - and what of this? I’m not teaching Russian here! I don’t think about grammar with an automatic machine, but I only think about the content and rush until the window closes. And then you do not have time to finish the comment, and the window has already stalled and closed. And the typed long text is lost - start all over again. Because of this, I don’t respond to many comments, because I’m just tired of typing hastily several times. You spit on the samples and involuntarily leave the participant unanswered.

Here is the same.

Quote: stalki

Unreasonableso insulting stavit question.

I don’t find fault with the mistakes in the words of another teacher! I don’t pay attention to these things at all. Since I myself do not have time to read and verify what was written in order to correct the text and correct it. It will be the same with you.

[Lyuba1965_01]

Strange ... how can a window close? I calmly give all comments, always check and manage everything. I can even print comments and leave the case for 5-10 minutes and then continue without any problems.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Lyuba1965_01

Strange ... how can a window close?

Easily and quite quickly. Sometimes you do not have time to type seven lines, or even less. But this does not always happen.
If you're fluent in typing and typing fast, you are in luck. Unfortunately, I do not own the blind typing method.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: Lyuba1965_01

Strange ... how can a window close?

Easily and quite quickly. Sometimes you do not have time to type seven lines, or even less. But this does not always happen ....

It also depends on the company of your device and quality, and on its service life. And from the time of his work today and now ....
While they are brand new --- they obey, and then they behave more wayward ....

[Lyuba1965_01]

My laptop is about 6 years old, and my husband has a laptop for over 10 years. However, we have never encountered such a problem. True, every year we give them to the workshop for prevention. They clean them there, if necessary - they change something. My husband changed the keyboard a couple of times - he has work connected with the computer, so he sits at it almost all the time, letters are erased, they start to type poorly. Well, there’s some more work, I’m not good at it. My husband has a DY laptop, an Intel processor. I have ACER, also with intel. The laptops are not very expensive, without any frills, but they are hard workers, which is what we need. Therefore, it is strange for me that Tatyana wrote.

[Reptiloid]

It’s even weirder and more offensive when the window closes, when I wrote a big comment and just wanted to send it, but it’s whack! Sometimes it turns out to return. As Tatyana wrote ---- not everyone can answer. I try to answer, but briefly for the same reason.
It turns out that for some reason it is difficult to write a big comment in the evening. Or so the network works.
But there are still tablets and mobile phones in people. Good evening, Lyuba.

[Lyuba1965_01]

But if you do it differently: print a comment in a draft, and then transfer it to where you want it? It's very fast and there will be no such problems. Or will it fail too? You can still keep the WORD program turned on, a very useful thing.
And good evening to you.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Lyuba1965_01

And if you do it differently: print the comment in a draft, and then transfer it .......

some of us do something like this, but then they have some other problems, it doesn’t suit me for another reason, ... somehow I had a long conversation with one kammrad on this topic .... . Someone doesn’t get quotes, (I don’t always have) ....
.

[Lyuba1965_01]

I don’t know how to insert quotes from the comments I am responding to. Thanks to those to whom I answer, they always understand me. Well, apparently, I'm just lucky with the windows. And yet it is a pity that many have such a problem. I like to read comments on this site, they are sometimes no less interesting and informative than those articles that comment.
And yes, good morning and good day!

[Tatyana]

Quote: Lyuba1965_01

I don’t know how to insert quotes from comments,

This is done very simply. Namely.
1. Click "Reply". A field for the text of your comment has opened.
2. In the commentary of the participant you are quoting, highlight the quote of the participant you need, as for copying.
3. Click "Quote" under the comment of the person you are citing, and the quote will appear in your comment field as:
[quote ....]And yes, good morning and good day![/ Quote]
(Highlighted in bold.)

Another way.
Immediately p. 3. The entire text of the comment of the participant you want to quote appears.
4. Remove from the text of the commentary of the participant everything superfluous between the brackets [quote ....] And [/ b] [/ quote], which cannot be changed!

Quote: Lyuba1965_01

And yes, good morning and good day!

Same to you!

[Lyuba1965_01]

Thank you for the detailed explanation. I will try. Good luck And health to you and those who are dear to you.

[Reptiloid]

Tried to write yesterday ---- windows were closing. So yesterday and did not write.
Good morning

[Lyuba1965_01]

Maybe it depends on the speed of Ineta?

And good morning to you, good day and good evening.

[Reptiloid]

Not in my case.

Quote: Lyuba1965_01

Maybe it depends on the speed of Ineta

Since I do not always write from home. But even the houses with self-isolation of all and a remote place in an apartment building ------ became noticeably worse.
For example, emoticons --- I wanted to do hi now, ------- ami it turned out. Deleted.
And often it happens. Eye yes eye!

[Lyuba1965_01]

Well, I don’t know .... we have, when the speed is low, the comments just go badly and the sites open badly. But if it opens, then everything is fine, it won't close. And this despite the fact that my husband and I are on the same account. that the necessary site does not open well for me, and I ask him to go to "sleep", and vice versa. But at work the Internet is good, however, I work alone, except for me there is nobody.

[stalki]

It is unreasonable, so offensively poses a question. How did you do it. There are many problems, but they are mainly solved by the teacher, and not by the management team. Tsarkov divorced a lot. Continuity lost. Practice lost. Teachers are those who have not found themselves in another industry. Ask yourself why? That's when you answer it, then dismiss if conscience is enough. The system was broken down.

[Tatyana]

Quote: stalki

It is unreasonable, so offensive to raise the question. How did you do it.

And what is unreasonable? A whole generation of schoolchildren has already grown up in the country on the worldview of such "Sorovski" teachers!
What exactly should we expect from some of their pupils from this generation and their children about patriotism?
This is called the systemic gaps in education and upbringing in the country - USSR / RF - according to Soros.

Quote: stalki

There are many problems, but they are mainly solved by the teacher, and not by the management team. Tsarkov divorced a lot. Continuity lost. Practice lost. Teachers are those who have not found themselves in another industry.

Here I agree with you. There are really many problems.
But the fault of the teaching staff of the late 1980s and 1990s is this, and no one has canceled it.
I understand that the teachers themselves have forgiven themselves for the people, for their Fatherland, and have forgotten about it, but the people remember everything!
And this, alas, is not going anywhere!

[stalki]

Why are you so stubbornly accusing teachers that you can’t understand, the fish rots from your head, who destroyed the system? Ordinary teacher changed the system of assessments and quality control? Ordinary teacher, cut funding for education? Is a simple teacher guilty of the quality of higher education that he must get before taking on these kids? Did this ordinary person exclude the element of upbringing and ideology from the system? This is prescribed in the constitution. The teacher writes the consistency and determines the vector methods, is he remaking the standards?

[Tatyana]

Quote: stalki

Why are you so stubbornly accusing teachers that you can’t understand, the fish rots from your head, who destroyed the system? Ordinary teacher changed the system of assessments and quality control? Ordinary teacher, cut funding for education? Is a simple teacher guilty of the quality of higher education that he must get before taking on these kids? Did this ordinary person exclude the element of upbringing and ideology from the system?

The fact of the matter is that it all began precisely with the indifference to the profession by ordinary teachers! With the strikes of teachers in the same St. Petersburg in 1989! The school principals understood everything and were just against it!
And also this was supported by the pilot project of the teaching corps "Education-90", compiled by the teachers themselves, divorced from real industrial life and the situation in the country. A pilot project that was supposed to be distributed throughout the country.
I personally wrote an examination on him. - and the project failed.
At the same time, I personally talked with teachers - its designers. And then the teachers themselves were smart enough to recognize their project as harmful and abandon it.

[stalki]

Normaloo, the country could barely make ends meet through the fault of someone you know, and the teachers are guilty of forgetting about them. Wow! There was no will at a leadership level, and when there is no will there is no one to make a decision. Who should steer a ship, a teacher or something? Well, you made me laugh, thanks.

[Tatyana]

Quote: stalki
So normalaloo, the country could barely make ends meet through the fault you know who, and the teachers are to blame for forgetting about them

The authorities didn’t forget about teachers in those years, but fed them a 40-80% increase in salaries and other privileges. And the teachers of the then new government of the country's liquidators servilely served. Naturally, in their own mercantile interests.
It was then about the privatization of schools, about the separation of school education from the state. About the introduction of paid education, starting from high school - i.e. about payment after graduating from elementary school. About OPTIMIZATION of school programs - namely: reduction of school subjects and the number of hours on them. Etc.

[stalki]

Well, of course, they have not forgotten. And I don’t remember, who are you telling this to? You can rub this to your parents. In some schools, astrology was introduced into subjects, physics was removed altogether. Chemistry was taught by obzhig, and mathematicians were forced to interrupt with tutoring in order to feed their children. Pseudo-lyceums began to be made from schools from the filing of directors, because they had to keep the composition and feed. Who started to run away. I agree, there were private schools where money was found, everyone rushed there. And certainly not the teachers brought it all up. And the reduction of programs is still coming around. This is all the result of an illiterate policy of the state and only the then cabinet of administration is to blame for the collapse of the Soviet education. And now it’s power to hand, a dull herd is easier to manage. No one ever asks teachers for anything. They are given only instructions.

[Tatyana]

Dear Sergey! And at that time, who ruled all this, if not the teacher deputies ?!
But they reflected the opinion of the entire teacher corps both on the line (in schools) and in power from top to bottom!
There is no need to whitewash the teaching staff of the "perestroika" and "privatization" times!
It was they who brought up as an example a new younger generation as they were then morally decomposed themselves!
They are to blame - that's all! They were sold for "cookies" to Soros and the liberal authorities.
And now we have what we have.

[stalki]

It is not necessary to interfere with the circles of power and the common people, especially at that time, the teachers did not sell themselves to anyone, it is not necessary to pour mud when you yourself are swollen up to your ears in this. I'm not just whitewashing teachers, I know I'm 200% right. What are the cookies? You, with such cheap arguments, go to the outskirts, there you just do "tear". It was the lack of funding for the educational system and the drain of the best personnel that provoked this collapse. This is the fault of the Ministry of Education (cultural reformation, constitutional change), well, of course, the cabinet of power that was then and is now. That's it, you don't have to go far and you don't have to look for the guilty, everyone knows them.

[Reptiloid]

Respect, Tatyana!

...... I .... wrote an examination and the project did not pass .....

nevertheless, any stupidity and sabotage still crawled into schools. And the project would have passed ---- generally a madhouse would be. 90s --- my school.

[Reptiloid]

Yes, Tatyana I remember in the 90s, the teacher said that the holidays are only for the church. And nothing else. True, then her parents took care and removed her.
Half of the teachers cherished the USSR, but the other half taught in Soviet style.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Reptiloid

Half of the teachers cherished the USSR, but the other half taught in Soviet style.

In St. Petersburg during the late Gorbachev and under Yeltsin it was worse!
Against the strikes of teachers for a 2-fold increase in their salaries, at a time when production workers in factories and factories were not paid salaries for several months in a row, and they still continued to work, citywide strikes began on the ground against school teachers who thought only of themselves and they told the parents of the pupils in the eyes: "We are leaving school at 14 o'clock - there is nothing in the shops! We have to buy all the products on the market at market prices!"
And this despite the fact that, unlike production workers, teachers received their salaries regularly and could have a full meal at a discount - breakfast and lunch - in school canteens! And the children of production workers at home did not finish eating at all - in production families, children sat at home only on onions and potatoes. They came to school pale and bluish, thin! It was a pity to look at them. And the orphanage children were big-faced, well-fed, dressed, felt “elite” and were domestic children.
And at the same time, for all these teachers fully supported the liberals and anti-Soviet people in the country and wholeheartedly despised the production workers.
In our school, only the director and old cadres were against teacher strikes - 2-3 people out of 70 teaching staff.

[Reptiloid]

Thanks for the answer, Tatyana! Naturally, he didn’t know anything about teachers. In the 92m in the spring they moved to a new apartment. And a year earlier, they returned to Leningrad with the Far East.
In the fall of the 92nd I went to a completely new school, everything is new, even then there was no tram to the house from the metro, there was a carriage. Probably, somehow the parents took care of the children, so that everything new and wrong would not concern them. True, later the children began to talk about what was happening. Childish, of course.

[Reptiloid]

I decided to continue my comment. I remember the contours in the 91st, 92nd, 93rd stores for groceries, my grandmother took with her, they gave me a person. There were fights in stores. do not give to children !!! such cries. Mom came in the evening ---- brought some groceries, brought cereals, then she worked in different districts in the city, she managed to buy something a little. Perhaps then they began to go to the vegetable base and they took me and I was unhappy. And then there was a food market on Sennaya, it is already without me. I remember. It was some kind of wildness. Sometimes I see a movie. Such markets then became many and everywhere the same.

[Tatyana]

My cousin's wife worked at a poultry farm. Salaries to employees were given by hens and eggs. The eggs were huge - already, with two yolks in an egg! And with the sale of the enterprise was a complete failure! Shops under Gorbachev did not take goods. So the boss and gave out wages to workers with chickens and eggs. But at the same time, it’s good that such a salary was possible for people to sell too much to acquaintances and exchange for something that was also needed. But for the salary given to employees, for example, you don’t really feed yourself with nails!
The shortage of products at that time was artificial and sanctioned by Gorbachev

USSR: Commodity shortage (video chronicle 1989-91)

[Reptiloid]

You can’t even imagine what it was like, Tatyana. Decay, decay. Just tin ---- Transmission. Moreover, there were not enough products.
And the Baltic states. .... and officials ....... and there seems to be a kindergarten on Primorsky ..... But for sure ---- There is a child’s house on Primorsky. Near the Kirov market used to work, but did not go there .....
And about the salary that was given out by the products - I remember. Thus, as a result of the "exchange chain", we got a telephone set (a scarce item then). And eggs and chickens are very cool. I remember conversations that someone was given a salary with sofas ...

[val43]

Quote: Tatiana

The authorities didn’t forget about the teachers in those years, but fed them a 40-80% increase in salaries and other privileges.

What ???? I worked at school from 1989 to 1992. For three years, the salary has not increased by a penny. Of the privileges - only the ability to work hard from morning to night and on weekends. Tatyana, what planet are you from?

[Tatyana]

Either your memory is short, or you have been fooled by local authorities in places in the outback.
There was a decree of Sobchak in St. Petersburg on increasing salaries to teachers of St. Petersburg by 40%.
Following him in a month - Yeltsin’s decree on increasing salaries to teachers of the Russian Federation by 40%. After which the decree of Sobchak was not canceled. TOTAL in St. Petersburg, the increase in teacher salaries was 40 + 40 = 80 (%).

[val43]

Yes, Tatyana, cool ... Judging by St. Petersburg about the salaries of teachers throughout the USSR (and 89-91 is the USSR) - this should be able to. Judging by what you read, in other school aspects you are at about the same level: you take a separate fact and draw far-reaching conclusions on its basis.

[sergo1914]

Quote: Tatiana

I have a pedagogical and psychological education in the framework of graduate school.

Well, to indiscriminately blame all the teachers ... Do you seriously consider these dummies a serious education? To be honest?

[for]

Quote: Tatiana

under the leadership of the "charitable" Soros Foundation

Soros is to blame OUR TEACHERS began to teach.
A prostitute is punished, not the one who pays her.

[val43]

Yes, there is always someone to blame for these: not Soros, so the State Department, not the State Department, so cookies, but they stand aside and wipe their feet on the teachers ...

[Oleg Zorin]

Apparently conscience failed in the ballot box with the throwing of left ballots

[Ilya-spb]

I propose sentencing defilers of military (and not only) memorials to community service:

- sewer cleaning (sewage disposal);
- work in hospitals (patient care as orderlies);
- agricultural work.

I think that they need good occupational therapy!

[Terenin]

Quote: Terenin

Now the liberal democrats (and homegrown, such as Gozman

I see Gozman and Company on the alert ... "thank you" for the service

[Terenin]

Quote: Atlant-1164

- all the same .. must be done with those who allow themselves .. mock the military obelisks, and burial ..

I, too, am old enough to campaign for the education of young people ... Only punish and harshly. "The nuts must be tightened" because many more "paint under the carving"

[Crowe]

It was necessary to educate such "Ivanov who do not remember kinship" when they were lying across the shop, and now only to punish, so that they themselves swore to engage in lewdness, and it was not necessary for others.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Crowe

Hard to punish.

I am struck by the vagueness of phrases, the mismatch of the impact on the gravity of the misconduct. If these geeks cannot even understand the essence of the phenomenon (and this is akin to betrayal in wartime), what can be explained to them by the usual administrative punishment? It is likely that precisely for such things you need to mercilessly, publicly flog with rods. With the appropriate knowledge of the business and the verified tool. Everyone should see their shame (so that it’s not disastrous) ...

[Xnumx vis]

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Quote: Atlant-1164

"To fry a barbecue on the Eternal Flame, to boil water in a bucket at the memorial to the fallen warriors, to shoot a dance video at a military grave"

In Ukraine, soapy, it all started exactly the same ..... Shish kebab - scrambled eggs on an eternal bonfire, stamping flags, desecrating monuments, graves in cemeteries, shouting slogans ... and away we go ... And now now they are trying to rrrr Russia here. .. Do not wipe yourself, as in Ukrainian soapy, do not shut up, give change, maybe even too much. Throw the bastards to dust!

[val43]

Oh how! Soros could not do without, he was waiting for Ukraine to be remembered "Ne with an evil word." Remembered, thanks!

[Valery Valery]

In my Soviet childhood in the 1980s, there were also individuals who committed acts that defiled the memory of the people, or said something inappropriate about the War. And the same "hero" fumbled through the pockets in the school wardrobe, took away change from the first graders and tortured the cats around the yard. They were all united by one quality - they were cowards, capable of running into those - who cannot answer (youngsters, kittens, dead ...).
I don’t know why, but I remember them.
Therefore, I made every effort so that my children did not become so.

There will be grandchildren soon - the next round.

[svp67]

It is necessary to punish in such a way that later it would not be disgraceful, for an initial misconduct of 100 minimum wages, for relapse as much as plus required work and criminal liability ... If you do not want to decrease, additional money will appear to maintain the war memorials in proper form

[janeck]

if the state has not worked out the ideology of the development of its country, if the state "men" are busy only with themselves and their loved ones. Is it any wonder that we are just growing up "ownerless" youth? without ideals, heroes on which one must and can be equal. I grew up on the exploits of Z.Kosmodemyanskaya, Y. Gagarin.A.Matrosov and V.Talalikhin. on the books "How the Steel Was Tempered", "War and Peace", Quiet Don "and others. And now what and whom to look up to ??

[Boris Ivanov]

unfortunately now only Buzova and Martirosyan)

[Reptiloid]

The state did not try to develop such an ideology. On the contrary, as if the USSR did not exist at all.

Quote: Janek

if the state has not worked out the ideology of the development of its country, if the state "men" are busy only with themselves and their loved ones. Is it any wonder that we are just growing up "ownerless" youth? without ideals, heroes on which one must and can be equal. I grew up on the exploits of Z.Kosmodemyanskaya, Y. Gagarin.A.Matrosov and V.Talalikhin. on the books "How the Steel Was Tempered", "War and Peace", Quiet Don "and others. And now what and whom to look up to ??

[Free wind]

Two years ago in Astrakhan, four Chechens extinguished eternal flame at night. How no need to say, I think. And what, but nothing, they did not know, thought the fire.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Unfortunately, there are many such examples and they are happening more and more often.
On VO with enviable periodicity there are articles on how to dismantle and desecrate monuments in the near abroad. At the beginning, I tried to draw attention to the "beam in my own eye", pointed out the frequent vandalism and disregard for the authorities' shrines, but where there! It's so sweet to stigmatize strangers! So victoriously, you can earn fifty pluses if you choose the right words!
And now, journalists have recalled our problems. What will we cover? Or again, the Czechs and Bandera damned to blame?

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

I did not think that in our country there are individuals with a complete lack of intelligence.

[Terenin]

Quote: Crowe

It was necessary to educate such "Ivanov who do not remember kinship" when they were lying across the shop, and now only to punish,

And, in general - punishment, this is also education

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

DID NOT SEE !!! I did not see that these bastards consider themselves guilty ... the term for this must be given, 1 year, let them sew clothes in the zone ... even if they do not respect, they will be afraid !!!! A fine and "understand and forgive" - ​​this does not work. I've been speaking in schools and for the last 3-4 years I have always explained what monuments are and why it is impossible to "vandalize" them, even if no one is buried under this monument. And when for "Thank you grandfather for the Victory!" if you just want to stand out from the crowd, then it gives rise to such ugliness ...

[carstorm 11]

fools and let's say so bad people have always been. but if you look around, then normal youth is many times more. it's all just May 9 is visible very well. according to them, the overall picture should be drawn up and not by the vandals of which one.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

the bad thing is that the press makes the main news only immoral acts

[Rurikovich]

In the family, as they say, not without imbecile ....
Unfortunately, such creatures also existed in the USSR. They existed, exist and will exist, no matter how strong the work with the population is to preserve the memory of that war. Just because evil must exist in order to understand good, otherwise there will be brain stagnation in development. And only statistics on such barbaric acts will show how much society realizes the line between good and evil and degrades.
Personally, I would have locked such creatures for a day in cinemas for the forced viewing of archival documentaries on the atrocities of fascism, the horrors of the existence of civilians in a war, by how hard that victory was given .... And then the daddy and her mummies in the aftermath of pursuit for the ruble and the acquisition of other benefits (I do not argue, many did it because of survival, but this does not justify the degree of guilt) completely forgot about the upbringing of their children, who turn under the influence of the environment into degrading creatures, grilling kebabs on the Eternal Flame and dancing at the memorials ...
Sadly all this and disgusting ....

[Reserve buildbat]

In my opinion, such "defilers" should be punished separately. Public flogging, then a good time in a forced labor camp. Penalties won't help here. But when they are whipped in public on naked opera, they will remember it. And subsequent work will consolidate the effect.

[Reptiloid]

Only fines and more! Money ---- this is their most important! This is a pain point, they have no other. What a flogging? What are you talking about? What would their liberals call suffering and unlawful?

Quote: stock buildbat

In my opinion, such "defilers" should be punished separately. Public flogging, then a good time in a forced labor camp. Penalties won't help here. But when they are whipped in public on naked opera, they will remember it. And subsequent work will consolidate the effect.

It’s better, of course, to give them a deadline, but again, the protests ---- they are children. And for the penalty --- parents will expose them!

[businessv]

They do not remain without punishment. Often they, already apologizing, face the camera.

How can one be so stupid and soulless creatures ?! For such, in order of upbringing and by court decision, it is necessary to fix the care of war veterans and children, as an alternative to prison, and also to allocate for cleaning the most dirty places of the city, so that, on a voluntary basis, they cleaned and cleaned them for years, maybe then they understand something!

[Reptiloid]

Why soulless freaks to admit to Veterans? It cannot be a punishment, only those with respect. Or employees

[businessv]

Quote: Reptiloid

Why soulless freaks to admit to Veterans?

But they weren't always like this! All are born the same, it is then "filled", so there is a chance of at least an external change. Although you are right, to veterans - only with respect.

[Reptiloid]

So let the public toilets wash, or where the market is cleaned. ....
After all, Veterans do not need to talk about their crap, do not upset. And it turns out, Veterans will also treat the freak with tea. Freak ---- funny? That's what.

Quote: businessv

Quote: Reptiloid

Why soulless freaks to admit to Veterans?

But they weren't always like this! All are born the same, it is then "filled", so there is a chance of at least an external change. Although you are right, to veterans - only with respect.

[Prisoner]

"Often they are already in front of the camera when they apologize." (c) And it is necessary that they would not be in front of the camera, but in the camera. It is possible without apologies (we will interrupt) and for a long time. And the "wolf ticket" for life. The stupid bastards have become completely insolent.

[rocket757]

Previously, this could not be.
If it was, then these are bodies that have completely lost their brains ....
So that a crime should be followed by a punishment .... still a brand to stick, forever, Schaub was not familiar to others. Otherwise, no way.

[Reptiloid]

Victor, and if you think that they will give birth to children soon, while there is maternity capital? What will be the next generation?

Quote: rocket757

Previously, this could not be.
If it was, then these are bodies that have completely lost their brains ....
So that a crime should be followed by a punishment .... still a brand to stick, forever, Schaub was not familiar to others. Otherwise, no way.

[rocket757]

It depends on us. We must fight for our bright future. Otherwise, in no way, by itself, by itself, this is a bad choice.

[Reptiloid]

I mean, such parents will not be such an upbringing, that’s what, Victor.

Quote: rocket757

It depends on us. We must fight for our bright future. Otherwise, in no way, by itself, by itself, this is a bad choice.

[rocket757]

The educational process can go in several directions, but yes, parents are the most important thing.

[Gardamir]

Of course, the direct defilers must be punished. But those who say that these are "jokes of the youth" should be shot, because they are the ones who are allowed to spit on the past.

[Vladimir61]

Everything, these little ones, they understood and did consciously. They boast, give interviews, some emphasize their opposition, - belonging to the "swamp", etc. They understand perfectly well that they will not receive real terms. On the other hand, they hope to raise their status in the "swamp", to provide appropriate support from him, and there, look and the feeder, in the form of grants, will loom.

[skobars]

These morons must be collected and sent to the battlefield. Let them atone for their work by searching for the remains of Soviet soldiers.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: skobars

These morons must be collected and sent to the battlefield.

no longer help

[parusnik]

And the funniest thing, they are already "heroes" for their party .... Well, they will fine, well, they will send the streets for revenge .. "heroes" ... Where do they come from, and the state ideology ... Alas .. On wide screens, the Soviet tanker shakes hand to a captured German tanker, they say, thank you brother for the duel ... The pilots, evil special officers are forced to fight on "coffins", Soviet soldiers go to have fun in a brothel "to the city of Paris" or the last film about the blockade of Leningrad, etc. Nicholas II laid the foundation for victory ... the USSR is a terrible country .. And right there, we must honor the memory of Soviet soldiers, but this concept is also replaced by Russian soldiers who fought for Russia .. But on the memorials the star, hammer and sickle are symbols of the Soviet era ... Soviet is bad ... I already have a brain rupture. I clearly knew one thing, my grandfathers fought for Soviet power during the civil years, they defended this power during the Great Patriotic War and everyone died for it, almost no one returned ... they say to me now, you know, in vain they did so ... Kolchak and Denikin, here they are real patriotsMotherland, and your executioners and murderers ... Yes, and Mannerheim did not shell Leningrad while your grandfather fought to lift the blockade of Leningrad ... Yes, you can flog these ... Who will fix the brains ... And not only them. On this brain rupture , more than one generation has grown up ... Monuments to the Nazis in Rossosh, not youngsters are erecting ...

[Reptiloid]

The thing is, Aleksey, that now, with the reform of education, with the increase in distance learning, which will clarify the usual, it will also be free, in this case, less and less youth will learn about that time. They will have less respect by then.

[Pvi1206]

one must ask from the numerous education ministers of the Russian Federation who debilitated the school ... and continue to do this, following the instructions of the gref, a member of the world government of haters and Satanists ...

[Alf]

Quote: Pvi1206

it is necessary to ask from numerous ministers of education of the Russian Federation,

Or maybe you should ask who takes these ministers to work?

[Old Horseradish]

And here Gref offends the entire population. And what? Where is any reaction? And this Gref owns the most important bank in Russia. You need to look at the root. That's what it all comes from. All television and the media are in the hands of this Gref and his comrades.

[Terenin]

It is Gref, as the world banker-antichrist, and the like, the employees of the world behind the scenes, openly say that they are seizing control of Russia ...
Not to see the obvious, with the analytical services of the same FSB, is extremely not circumspect.

[evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru]

And the state, capitalist Russia, why use the pentagram? What kind of strange love for satanic symbolism? Who forces civilian and military leaders, RK, to impose on the population of the ORTHODOX country of Russia an absolutely alien symbol? By the way, Muslims also prefer an eight-pointed star ...
Do the MOs, RKs, don’t know that Trotsky-Bronstein imposed this symbol of the Red Army more than a hundred years ago? Or are there entirely modern admirers of this ,, activist ,,? Or fans of the Pentagon and the American army?
And what kind of “eternal flame”? In hell, a great fire, comrades scientists! IN OUR Tradition is eternal memory. Important uncles, and aunts, from the Ministry of Defense and other law enforcement agencies, RK, do not know about this either? After all, some of them even know how to be baptized, on camera ...
Why do we PEOPLE bow to the symbols of Satanists? Or are they so insolent that they decided to openly impose their hydrogen sulfide ideals on us? And on whose side are the defenders of the Fatherland ,,? On the side of PEOPLE or ,, ordinary nonhumans ,,?

[Plastmaster]

Put the degenerates with their nearest relatives (brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts) on Red Square, and the corresponding signs, who and for what. And let passers-by spit on them. And of course live. And so a week.

[aba]

This is the result of the fact that the state itself treats the results of the Second World War very freely and substituting concepts, removing the Red Flag and replacing, where possible, "Soviet" with "Russian".
I can’t imagine what kind of poster, postcard, or else where in Soviet times an image of a soldier or enemy equipment appeared instead of the Soviet one. If only as an image of the defeated.
Then, we live in a time of permissiveness and for many this is an occasion to collect more likes and views. But the lack of their own brains by them seems to be a universal trend and does not allow us to predict something different from their perception of the world.

[lopvlad]

and become defendants in cases.

in Russia there is a law that did not serve in the army for 10 years without a good reason they are deprived of the right to hold public office, to be in the civil service.
Why should the desecrators of military memorials, regardless of gender, apply a similar restriction from the moment the offense was committed, and if repeated desecration of memorials and our Victory ensued, then the term should be increased to 20 years.
It is necessary to beat the "dancers on the bones" for their future welfare, it is in the wallet of their heart and soul, in those very 30 pieces of silver.

[Black Colonel]

Previously, such "reckless acts" were enlightened by public flogging in the square and expulsion from the village. In any case, this was the case with violators in the Cossack farms and villages. But in order to desecrate the graves, no one stooped to this, because there were God-fearing ones.

[val43]

Quote: Valery Valery

Therefore, I made every effort so that my children did not become so.

The only true approach! The teacher must teach the subject. Teach quality. To educate too, but here the main burden on the family depends on us which children will grow up.

[Baron pardus]

You see, this is a disease. A disease of the soul and brain is called liberalism. Look what is going on in the USA. Blacks, spikes and SJWs destroy and screw everything up. Not only monuments to the founding fathers (like those who were slave owners), but even Lincoln and demand, demand and freebies as "oppressed regime" and rename everything. And if you're a white heterosexual guy, all these bastards leave you to "pay and repent" because you are an "oppressor". The military cemetery was destroyed with shouts of "it was a war for the oppressor regime," damn it, I would have looked at you, the Germans and Japanese won the last war.

These even destroyed the monument to the fighter against slavery (for white) and poured paint and shit on the monument to Jimmy Hendrix (as if the slave owner was, however). Liberalism is destruction for the sake of destruction, professional rebellion, a professional 5 column, a professional element that simply has no place in a healthy society if it wants to stay healthy.

"Onizhedeti" do not work, these "onizhedeti" are sexually active from the age of 14, they drink, smoke and sniff everything they can get from about the same age. And punishment for the destruction of military cemeteries and monuments is very simple: 10 years of hard labor, followed by deprivation of citizenship and deportation. Well, the family - loss of rights and fines. Downgrading "social credit". Deprivation of voting rights, deprivation of the right to work for a state company. Deprivation of the right to social services. And the fines are such that the last cowards are sold. Don't you like the USA? Africa and Mexico are waiting for you. Liberia for people like you and created. But you did not want to return "to the land of your ancestors" either then or now, of course, there is no welfer and you have to work there. Don't you like Russia? Well, go ahead and with the song, oh yes, if you are deprived of Russian citizenship, then you are NOBODY, call you ANYWHERE and no one needs you. This is not just "teachers messed up" or "parents overlooked" or "they saw it on TV", this is liberalism - brain cancer, cancer of society, ruining, perverting and poisoning everything that it can reach. And cancer is cured with fire, steel and chemistry.

Of course, I spoke about what is happening here in the USA. But this genie of liberalism, which was released from the bottle in the 80s by the CIA, and which destroyed the USSR, this genie returned to us, here. And what happened and is happening with you has now begun and with us ... As a matter of fact, we ran into it ourselves. As the saying goes "the chicken came home to roost", and this monster can be overcome only by the most severe forceful methods (see Tianamin Square). So that every scum would be afraid to even think about desecrating a monument, especially to soldiers, so that they would be afraid to think about rebelling and looting.