Who will have to look for a trampoline?


Photo: Alexander Gorbunov, wikipedia.org


Well, the first launch of the “Dragon” with the astronauts was postponed due to the weather, which has already generated a lot of malicious statements on the Web.

However, one should not rejoice like that, Musk is a stubborn man and sooner or later everything will fly with him. As before it flew.

Another question, is it necessary to look at the Mask with such a heritage as ours?

It is necessary. It is necessary, if only because now “Roskosmos” will lose the last greasy feeder in the form of the delivery-transport of astronauts to the ISS, and there is a lot of incomprehensibility with the ISS itself.

That is why, as soon as it smelled of the launch of the Falcon, our main cosmos Mr. Rogozin gave a very extensive interview to Radio KP, the general message of which was: all these are trifles, we ourselves can do everything.

And at the same time he said that we can.

The moon. Orbital station. The winged spaceship, the heir to the "Buran". Just a new spaceship. Another superheavy rocket. In general, we can do a lot of things.

In words. As will be the case, this is still more difficult. Rogozin has problems with the implementation in general.

We don’t even want to talk about something that will replace the Soyuz, we won’t. The “Federation”, which became the “Eagle”, but didn’t even theoretically tear it away from the centimeter from the Earth, is such a hackneyed topic that there is no point in wasting time and letters on it.

The same thing about the plastic "Argo", which supposedly will be built. I could go into more detail on the topic, but the sound of the saw is distracting, which is constantly in the subject.

The same goes for a heavy-super-heavy rocket. There are many names, the essence is the same: there is no rocket when it will be, it is unclear how to drag the heavily weighted Orlorastia into Earth orbit is also unclear.

Winged spaceship. Or, as he was dubbed in the relevant media, “Buran-2”.

In general, the idea was already criticized quite well, and it was done justly.

First, there is really no one to build Buran-2. Now, of course, our patriots will begin on the topic of the fact that we really “can repeat everything”, but alas. Lozino-Lozinsky, Glushko, Mikoyan, Schulz ... Sorry, but they will not repeat anything.

And the modern ones ... Am I mistaken, or is the Science module still on Earth? Like "Irtysh", "Yenisei", "Hangars", "Eagles" and other "Federations"?

Sorry, here the assembly of launch vehicles of 50-year-old “freshness” was barely set up ... so that they would no longer stick into the ground.

Secondly. And why is this spaceship with wings needed? In the atmosphere to fly ... Well, that’s clear. The United States abandoned the winged shuttles 10 years ago, Europe did not think in this direction, China also somehow gets by.

And we, as always, that is, contrary to. Contrary to everything and everything, including common sense.

It is customary for us to discuss the Mask in the sense that everything is wrong with him. And here we are all right. We'll see, of course, but something tells me that his Falcon Dragons will fly sooner or later. And this, excuse me, is not the ancient “Unions”. These are the ships of today.

And for some reason such a good manager Musk made the ships conditionally reusable, that is, partially. Leaving from a purely reusable scheme, because there really is a lot of trouble with it.

Indeed, as practice has shown, one tile was missed in the analysis, and that’s all. DNA throughout the atmosphere can be collected. So the Americans abandoned this venture. Having lost only two crews.

Why do we need to invent some way of our own, reworking the project of the ancient “Buran” and dazzling something more modern on its platform? A strange approach, to be honest. Very strange. “Can we repeat it?” Quite dubious, frankly, the success of forty years ago? Doubtful - because American authors abandoned it. Having copied the idea with Buran, we did not bring it to normal flight, and now again?

But why?

Why do we need a winged ship today? I think no one will answer. "Unions" are very reliable, and most importantly, cheaply land on Earth without wings. To fly to the Moon, where Rogozin’s aspirations are also directed, no matter how wings are needed either. There is nothing to rely on. There is no atmosphere.

It turns out that only for landing on Earth. Which is already worked out. It is very strange and smacks of either the screeching of a saw, or simply ill-conceived PR.

Indeed, the bulk of those who designed, developed and built the Buran, unfortunately, is all. Worked out their program to the end. And in our conditions, the prospect of the appearance of a second Queen or Glushko, excuse me, causes universal sadness and sadness. Because the land of Russia has really become scarce with talents, we are eating up the last Soviet remnants.

It’s hard to say on what (more precisely, on whom) Rogozin plans to carry out his grandiose projects. But so far, special successes, apart from investigations and criminal cases, are not visible.

But we can say that there are successes in drawing up plans and allocating money for these plans. Seriously, before this rather slurred crisis occurred, we monthly listened to stories about what would happen soon / in the near future. And how much money will be spent on it.

Superheavy rocket instead of the "Angara"? One trillion rubles at least. The maximum is 1,7 trillion rubles for the Yenisei, which in fact no one needs, neither military nor civilian, because there are no cargoes for it. Yes, Rogozin talked about launching artificial moon satellites using the Yenisei ... I will not comment at all, I see no reason.

Further. Global Sphere Communication Program. 1,5 trillion rubles. Within the framework of this program, it is planned to put 638 vehicles for various purposes into orbit by 2030. True, in 2019, 23 satellites of all purposes, the aerospace system, the Russian Space Agency, and the Gonets system were put into orbit.

That is, according to the plan, 80 launches per year only for the Sphere (VKS and others are separate), and now 23. Actually, everything is clear. More than a hundred launches per year? Mr. Rogozin, well, do not tell ...

Lunar program. Well, this is just a clear fantasy. It was impossible to find exactly how many trillions it was supposed to be requested for it, but it is clear that here, to 1,7 for an extra-heavy launch rocket, it is necessary to add more to the ship, which is still not there, satellites, assembly in orbit, and so on. Up to 10 trillion is easy and laid back.

Apparently, in the wake of the oil crisis, the Stop! From the Kremlin. Because toys are toys, but you need to know the measure. This can explain the transition to cheaper projects such as "Buran-2" and the orbital station.

Yes, it also makes sense to say a few words about the orbital station.

The fact that Russia simply will not pull the orbital station alone is clear and understandable. It is enough to look at which modules in the ISS are Russian and when they were docked. The "dawn" with which the ISS began, it is as if ours, but not ours. Because it was built on American money. The rest, a residential module and two small research ones, are, as it were, very modest.

Given that on Earth at our "disposal" is only the cooling body of the module "Science", which began to be built in 1995. And the docking module “Berth”, which was assembled back in 2014, but will remain on Earth until they complete the “Science”.

All. Nothing more to brag about. A full-fledged station is very far away.

And international cooperation specifically with NASA will inevitably decline on a biased basis. For the States, the main thing now is to get off the “allied” needle. Then everything will go as Trump voiced, that is, in accordance with the US national space program.

And it’s worth understanding that in this program we simply do not have a place. By definition, since the United States should be the first in everything. The proof is the program "Artemis", which hit Japan and Australia, but where they completely forgot to call Russia.

The situation is not very pleasant, no matter what Mr. Rogozin says on this subject. We are clearly lagging behind the United States, and as American programs supported by the government and equipment manufacturers develop, this gap will increase more and more.

In terms of program implementation, the Americans, of course, well done. I cut it with a cut (they also have an order with this), but the thing is going. At least Musk will bring his technique to mind. And we have exclusively throwing from the “Federation” to the “Eagle” and some other “Argo” is hanging out in the plans. That is, as usual, a lot of words, it’s worth it.

And the farther, the more we will be uninteresting to the United States. They themselves can all. The question of how much we can, I leave open, although for me there is no secret. We can’t.

And here is only one option - to bow to those who are not friends with the United States in space programs. That is, to India and China. Based on their support, you can try and build a new orbital station (although the Chinese already have their own), and make an attempt to fly to the same moon.

But here really it will be necessary to work, and not engage in populist statements. Work. Today we have a big problem with this at the highest level.

But we must be aware that the era of Russia as a space cab finally collapses at the first docking of the Dragon to the ISS. And you can do trolling on this subject for as long as you want, everyone, from the last couch cheer patriot to Rogozin, after the docking, there will be nothing to say.

And Roskosmos will lose its millions of dollars. Because all US satellites, of course, will line up for the flights of the "Dragon" Mask. Which, by the way, takes twice as many people on board than the Soyuz.

So who will have to look for a trampoline, this is a grandmother in two said.

And in conclusion, I want to say: it is not necessary to deal with the cut when building cosmodromes and developing a bunch of unnecessary ships, but real work on the result. The result is exactly what we have been waiting for from Roscosmos for two decades and which will be very difficult to wait for.

Long-distance expeditions to asteroids and other planets are organized by any countries, but not Russia. Flight research stations - without us. Raids outside the solar system are not us.

Unfortunately, all that Russia can today is to build high-quality space toilets and carry astronauts of countries that can pay for it to the ISS.

It seems to me, or is it really time to change something and from the confident statements of Mr. Rogozin to go on to confident business?
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  1. Ka-52 29 May 2020 05: 19 New
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    But we must be aware that the era of Russia as a space cab finally collapses at the first docking of the Dragon to the ISS. And you can do trolling on this subject for as long as you want, everyone, from the last couch cheer patriot to Rogozin, after the docking, there will be nothing to say.

    strange article .... that the flight of "Roskosmos" by order of NASA is a temporary phenomenon, everyone knew for a long time. Why write a long article, the main message of which is the malevolent "hahaha, we said ....". Moreover, while the Dragon has not yet reached the ISS. The history of Colombia and Challenger (and what followed) will not be recalled.
    In short, an article to set fire to nth places to subscribers and nothing more. Substance is zero. Useful information is zero.
    Any stupid person can lament and gasp about the fall of the missile program in the Russian Federation (I'm not talking about Roman S.). But it is worthwhile to understand that Musk was not born as a phoenix from the ashes. He was pumped up at the start until the very pamper. Our Roskosmos breathes like a patient with Covid 19 - through a straw (budgetary allocations).
    1. Sergey_G_M 29 May 2020 05: 53 New
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      An article about everything is missing and falling apart. We can only collect the "ancient" Unions, well, yes, only the "ancient" Unions is a whole high-tech industry that we could easily lose during the restructuring and rampant "free" capitalism of the 90s. And partly lost, it will be necessary to restore and move the space industry forward for a long time and slowly, we will be objective, our country is not so rich.
      1. Mitroha 29 May 2020 06: 19 New
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        Seeing in such a number of versatile, educated, technically savvy professionals writing on the Internet at once all the fields (experts) who can manage the state with one hand, the second at the same time conducting an intracavitary operation, and giving clear commands for space exploration in voice - a tear of pride , a growing sense of confidence in the past, but what is there, with such young doctors, the day after tomorrow!
        It remains to put them in key positions in the state, and we will live.
        All the same, dear Ilyich was right, the cooks are not something to you, but something like that! good
        1. for
          for 29 May 2020 06: 51 New
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          Quote: Mitroha
          diversified, technically savvy professionals of all areas (experts) at once, who can control the state with one hand, the second at the same time conducting an intracavitary operation, and by voice giving clear commands for space exploration

          And now they’re not the same at the helm, at least we write here, and they write and rule. Maybe the success of the Americans spur our little ..........
          1. Mitroha 29 May 2020 07: 20 New
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            Maybe the success of the Americans spur our little ..........

            Roscosmos ALREADY delivers astronauts into orbit. But in the USA they are only preparing for this, and what will happen soon is not a fact. Why should these "successes" spur us on?
            The fact that you do not need to stand still is clear to everyone
            1. Stas157 29 May 2020 08: 26 New
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              We are clearly lagging behind the United States, and as American programs supported by the government and technology manufacturers develop, this gap will increase more and more.

              Yes it is. Russia has long been spending less on space than the United States, China and the EU. Therefore, objectively forced to lag. And this lag will only increase over time.

              How much are they spending on space today? The US budget for 2020 includes financing in the amount of $ 22,6 billion (0,48% of budget expenditures). For comparison: the estimated budget of Roscosmos until 2022 is about 200 billion rubles ($ 2,6 billion) per year.

              The difference is almost ten times. If you look at the years, then the difference has been and more (13 times). In general, the cost of space in the world is increasing every year. The number of countries investing in space programs is increasing. Russia, in general positive dynamics, is rolling back and losing ground gained back in the USSR.
              1. Sckepsis 4 June 2020 22: 27 New
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                Have you heard about purchasing power parity?
            2. ALARI 29 May 2020 09: 59 New
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              Roscosmos can already ONLY deliver astronauts, where everything else is the study of planets, comets and other celestial bodies?
              1. ont65 30 May 2020 16: 40 New
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                Is there really a ministry of other celestial bodies in Russia? Thank you for finding funds for military satellites. And we don’t need to say how science is financed in our country. Not that there isn’t enough to manufacture and launch an interplanetary station, but institutions save on household services.
                1. ALARI 30 May 2020 22: 59 New
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                  But the financing of some companies and bodies close to the body is ahead of schedule, citizens do not have time to replenish the budget, and it is necessary to introduce laws that are not popular.
            3. for
              for 29 May 2020 10: 06 New
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              Quote: Mitroha
              The fact that you do not need to stand still

              You yourself answered your own question. And if the fact is accomplished for us, it will be like a step back. No need to hope that does not happen, it’s better prepared to go forward.
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            5. Tavrik 29 May 2020 21: 28 New
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              Correct: Roskosmos still sends astronauts into orbit, but this is not for long. Then they will explain to us that it is more economical to pay Americans a ticket.
              1. forpost 30 May 2020 23: 37 New
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                not the fact that they are cheaper
            6. Simargl 29 May 2020 21: 48 New
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              Quote: Mitroha
              Roscosmos ALREADY delivers astronauts into orbit.
              Oh well. There is one. What else?
              Can you name a lot of projects comparable to the AMS and Lunokhod since the USSR?
            7. Mitroha 30 May 2020 20: 54 New
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              Well, now, after Mask's “success”, what will the minusers say?
          2. Starover_Z 29 May 2020 21: 45 New
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            Quote: for
            Maybe the success of the Americans spur our little ..........

            Yeah, how so! According to the bearded proverb of Soviet times - Grab bags (money), the station started moving (they won’t give it anymore)!
            Until we really have at least one NEW QC to fly, we have nothing to rejoice about ....
          3. vvp2412 30 May 2020 08: 42 New
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            At least learn to write correctly first!
        2. Dr. Frankenstucker 30 May 2020 11: 38 New
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          Quote: Mitroha
          a tear of pride comes over my eyes, a feeling of confidence in the past grows, but what is there, with such young doctors, on the day after tomorrow!


          laughing

          neither diminish nor add!
        3. vlad106 5 June 2020 11: 59 New
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          and what, ragozin is already leaving?
      2. Alexander Sosnitsky 29 May 2020 11: 29 New
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        Rogozin hamster with a trampoline walks on the background of the Royal Rocket
      3. Sling cutter 29 May 2020 14: 58 New
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        Quote: Sergey_G_M
        An article about everything is missing and falling apart. We can only collect the "ancient" Unions, well, yes, only the "ancient" Unions is a whole high-tech industry that we could easily lose during the restructuring and rampant "free" capitalism of the 90s.

        You got it already with these 90s. There was no such damage to all sectors of the economy that ebony Putinism inflicted on zeros and tenths in history, and astronautics, in this sense, is only one of many.
        Threat. The article, in my opinion, is about the fact that over the past 20 years no figs have been made for the development of astronautics.
        1. Sergey_G_M 30 May 2020 04: 44 New
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          You see in the 90s you were very young and you don’t remember, for example, non-payment of salaries for half a year or more, and this happened en masse at many enterprises, you don’t know about breaking the chains of cooperation between factories and so on. So do not talk about the "terrible" Putin, many industries drove below the baseboard before him, and the fact that the recovery takes a long time - so the economy is not Chinese and not the United States.
          1. Sling cutter 30 May 2020 05: 17 New
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            Quote: Sergey_G_M
            So do not talk about the “terrible” Putin, many industries drove below the baseboard before him,

            And I did not say that it is better or worse, I say that there is ebony Putinism, and the last 20 years it has been forming, strengthening and developing, and now we will be present at its collapse.
            And I must also report to you that the crisis of the 1998th year of the Russian Federation passed only due to the industry that was still operating at that time, including even due to the then scientific, engineering and skilled workers, as well as cooperative ties with the Union republics and Ukraine in particular.
            Threat. If you want to argue with this, you can of course, but that's for sure with yourself. hi
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            3. Sling cutter 31 May 2020 02: 20 New
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              It is unfortunate that even Roman began to write such trash!

              And I'm sorry that people like you are here and if
              Quote: vvp2412
              Looks like it's time to put a bolt on this resource ...

              You just weigh lighter yes sorry hi
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              Yes, and hamsters NAVRALNYh and masturbating on the mask blunt cutters, too, no one filters!

              mdyayayayaya ... what can I say ... you will act as an accomplice or then you will start to otmazyvatsya? am
          3. Maxwrx 31 May 2020 12: 08 New
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            Salaries were not paid, not because there was no money, but because it was necessary to leave people hungry and buy shares that they gave out for nothing. I know the story that a person had a small room littered with money under the ceiling, but money for zp did not pay. Then, when they pulled everyone out of the people, then the need for this disappeared, they began to pay stably so that they would not rebel and take everything back. The economy is recovering quickly already 1-2 years crisis, there would be sensible managers. And for the first 8 years of Putin, the economy was really a pearl, but then it became more important for him to sit on the throne.
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        kig 30 May 2020 02: 49 New
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        Quote: Sergey_G_M
        An article about everything is missing and falling apart.

        An article about the real state of affairs in the space industry. An article about the fact that you can’t rest on our laurels and endlessly exploit the great resources of the past century. The article that so far speaks of Russian space a lot of words, but very few real results.
      5. ksv36 30 May 2020 23: 37 New
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        our country is not so rich.

        Our country is just that rich, but here is the fool in power.
      6. bang 31 May 2020 03: 22 New
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        we will be objective, our country is not so rich.
        The country is just rich, wealth is only sawed and exported to the cordon
      7. 3danimal 1 June 2020 00: 32 New
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        The article is not about everything missing, but from the category of unpleasant truth without pink glasses.
    2. Crowe 29 May 2020 05: 57 New
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      Quote: Ka-52
      Our Roskosmos breathes like a patient with Covid 19 - through a straw (budgetary allocations).

      Which also also plundered mercilessly.
      The largest violations in the field of finance were identified in the state-owned corporation Roscosmos, said the chairman of the Audit Chamber “Well, in addition, several billion have been lost - that is, in fact, stolen - and now investigations are ongoing. That is, Roscosmos fell into record on the scale of such violations. 40% of the violations identified by the Accounts Chamber came from Roskosmos - 760 billion rubles. "
      “For a long time, for decades, there were schemes at state-owned enterprises that allowed individual executives to engage in illegal activities. This is the withdrawal of funds, these are facts of corruption, fraud, abuse, etc.”
      Head of the Internal Audit Service of the state corporation Artem Melnikov.
      1. Ka-52 29 May 2020 06: 01 New
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        Which also also plundered mercilessly.

        the problem is not theft, but inefficiency. Rogozin is not a production worker; he is a populist with the soul of an official. He does not know how to organize industrial process.
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          Quote: Ka-52
          the problem is not theft, but inefficiency.

          Eco you, my friend, easily and naturally dismiss the problem of theft! For you, it turns out that the fact that they have communicated nearly a trillion (they just discovered it, but really - multiply boldly by three) is not a problem? You are a generous person! IMHO, if this money didn’t go into the pockets of “the right people”, but for decent salaries to specialists who are currently sitting on 25-30 tyr, then we would have brilliant designers and virtuoso talented workers in the industry. And the corresponding results.
          And inefficiency ... From a certain, very specific point of view, Rogozin acts quite effectively! wassat
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        2. Bar1 29 May 2020 11: 00 New
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          Quote: Ka-52
          Which also also plundered mercilessly.

          the problem is not theft, but inefficiency. Rogozin is not a production worker; he is a populist with the soul of an official. He does not know how to organize industrial process.

          and he put on he_ra (censored) then?
          1. Ka-52 29 May 2020 12: 15 New
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            and he put on he_ra (censored) then?

            get through and ask him this question. Am I Putin’s herald or something?
          2. Beringovsky 29 May 2020 12: 25 New
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            and he put on he_ra (censored) then?

            Maybe for the sake of such a result and set?
            Maybe it was conceived?
            Maybe that’s why it continues to hold that the result suits.
            So I want to repeat the sacramental question - Hu from Mr. Putin?
      2. NDR-791 29 May 2020 06: 20 New
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        The largest violations in the field of finance were identified in the state corporation Roscosmos
        The article, of course, is about nothing. However, I think that the author’s main embedded but inarticulate thought is all the same about general theft and the absence of organizational conclusions.
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        And in conclusion, I want to say: it is not necessary to deal with the cut when building cosmodromes and developing a bunch of unnecessary ships, but real work on the result.
        And this applies to any industry where the "budget" money is "mastered"!
    3. Bar1 29 May 2020 07: 57 New
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      is there progress, is cosmonautics development visible under Putin? No, it’s not visible, nothing new is being created. Angara is a dubious project, a Yenisei-type super-heavy rocket, in the first there is none, in the second Soviet Energy was more powerful and at the same time just heavy. In this state, everything is smaller.
      For some reason, we support our enemies, the Americans, they fly on our engines. That's the whole progress.
      1. Octopus 29 May 2020 08: 19 New
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        Angara - a dubious project

        )))
        Angara is a legacy of the dashing 90s. And the RD-191 engine is generally a quarter of the Energy engine.
        Quote: Bar1
        The energy was more powerful and at the same time just heavy.

        No, what are you. Energy is super-heavy. Tyazh - 20ton class rocket (at the IEO). Proton.
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        those fly on our engines

        Do not value a good attitude. The Americans fed the post-Soviet space industry so that it would not be reformed into Iranian or North Korean. Naturally, it was a lot of stupidity; American money went to anyone who needed it. It was simpler and cheaper to simply assign an American pension to all leading specialists and to allocate a flat somewhere outside of Russia. The Americans were greedy.
        1. Bar1 29 May 2020 08: 52 New
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          Americans fed the post-Soviet space industry,

          to maintain the space industry is the RESPONSIBILITY of the Russian government, and if such a government does not care about its industry, then such a government should be thrown into the trash.
          And they also support pin_dos.
          1. Fan-fan 29 May 2020 18: 47 New
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            I agree, if we paid a decent salary to designers and assemblers, then there would be a result. Here are the sad statistics:
            "If mainly low-skilled workers from Central Asian republics come to Russia, among which only 13-17% have higher education, then, on the contrary, there is an" intellectual migration ": 70% of those leaving leave have a higher education, which is significantly higher than the average in the country.
            A survey by the Boston Consulting Group, in which 24 thousand respondents participated, showed that 50% of Russian scientists, 52% of top managers, 54% of IT specialists want to work abroad. 49% of engineering professions and 46% of doctors are ready to join them.
            57% of them are young people under the age of 30. Among students (up to 21 years), the proportion is even higher and reaches 59%.
            If we evaluate the "brain drain" according to the statistics of the host countries, then annually 100 thousand people leave Russia, calculated at the RANEPA. This is almost 7 times the official figure from Rosstat (15,5 thousand people). "
    4. Civil 29 May 2020 08: 18 New
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      Because the land of Russia has really become scarce with talents, we are eating up the last Soviet remnants.

      1. Talents are enough.
      2. Talents cannot buy a position in Roskosmos.
      3. Talents cannot break into educational institutions through hordes of fake "tristabalnikov".
      4. Talents cannot work in the current system because of the characters and principles.
      1. Ka-52 29 May 2020 08: 29 New
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        3. Talents cannot break into educational institutions through hordes of fake "tristabalnikov".
        4. Talents cannot work in the current system because of the characters and principles.

        frank bzdezh in a puddle. Talented guys work in our design bureau and the chief designer is looking for them at all specialized universities. And there is the possibility of implementation in complex (but interesting) projects. Simply, most graduates are frankly infantile and low-initiative mass. Finding talent among them is more difficult than a needle in a haystack
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          1. A puddle is your mirror.
          2. most graduates are frankly infantile and low-initiative masses naturally thieves children by others and do not grow up.
          Finding talent among them is more difficult than a needle in a haystack talents and talents, that their units. Especially on thieves specialties, in principle, they can not be.
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            2. Most graduates are frankly infantile and low-initiative masses naturally thieves children by others and do not grow up.

            yeah, you see you're unlucky to get higher education yourself laughing all the so-called "thieves", i.e. children of officials studying in Europe.
            Especially on thieves specialties, in principle, they can not be.

            So where do you get such a statement from the category of "finger to heaven"? Listen, to sneeze at your populist tricks. At least I can name three people from the Saturn Design Bureau, starting with Roman Vladimirovich, the chief designer, who did not possess any blasphemy.
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              all the so-called "thieves", i.e. children of officials studying in Europe.

              we have more than a million officials ... there will not be enough Europe for all
              1. Ka-52 29 May 2020 10: 50 New
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                we have more than a million officials ... there will not be enough Europe for all

                in all of Europe, the number of higher education institutions is approaching 2500, in Russia only 607. Maybe you should think before writing where there are more places?
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                  we have more than a million officials ... there will not be enough Europe for all

                  in all of Europe, the number of higher education institutions is approaching 2500, in Russia only 607. Maybe you should think before writing where there are more places?

                  So what? This is all for the children of Russian officials, and the children of Europeans on the residual basis ?! wassat And the incomes of officials also vary in rank, not all of Europe should. It’s you who persist in some kind of delirium
                  1. Ka-52 29 May 2020 11: 39 New
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                    It’s you who persist in some kind of delirium

                    of course, and you say everything correctly and consistently lol . At first he wrote that in Europe there is not enough space for a million children of officials, and as I poked you with my nose, that in Europe there are 3 times as many places as in Russia, then I immediately change shoes on the go with revenues. So all the same, income from officials does not allow children to be taught in Europe, or is there no place there anyway? If the first, then you stepped on the sacred cow of the liberals - they have de facto officials only there and keep offspring. If the second, then see my comment above
                  2. AndVikt 29 May 2020 22: 26 New
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                    And compare the number of universities in Europe per 100000 population and in the Russian Federation. You will be surprised, but it will be approximately the same.
            2. Engineer 29 May 2020 10: 44 New
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              There are a lot of talented guys in space and defense. But....
              1. The salary is tied to a regular position. Higher posts are densely occupied by peppy old people or young people who have already managed to replace those who have left for the cemetery. The prospects are so-so. There are a lot of relatives of superior people, but in my case they were quite competent
              2. Motivation, differentiated bonuses are absent in most cases in principle.
              3. Small scope for creativity and independence - the risks are great
              4. A lot of routine, including going through norm control.
              Having gained experience, people move on. I went to the structure of Rusnano for twice as much salary and many times more interesting work. The neighboring engineering center sucked a dozen young designers from the defense just by offering 20 thousand more.

              Private companies after the case of Dauria will not go into space.

              Another thing is that civil engineering in Russia is declining, and graduate engineers are too much. Therefore, the defense industry and space will never suffer from a lack of personnel.
              1. kiborg 30 May 2020 19: 21 New
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                and graduate engineers brute force

                But where is the bust? On the contrary, not enough. I remember when I entered the institute, 6 groups of 30 people were formed at the faculty. Of course, not everyone reached the diploma, but this is another matter. Now I looked, 25 people are taking for training .... and that's it! Of these, only 15 budget places. How many will come to the finish line is not known ... Another thing is that the industry doesn’t develop. But there are still not enough engineers.
                1. Engineer 30 May 2020 20: 17 New
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                  Statistics, nothing personal
                  https://interestingengineering.com/top-10-countries-with-the-most-engineering-graduates
                  1. kiborg 31 May 2020 11: 52 New
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                    I don’t know who they considered engineers there, but there are very few electronic specialists in the country .. They produce builders, there are a lot of programmers (although there are also not enough). More engineering engineers are not enough ..
                    1. Engineer 31 May 2020 12: 01 New
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                      Counted all the graduates. And builders and machine builders and electronics engineers.
                      As for the lack of engineers, there are hundreds of thousands in the defense industry and space. Take literally bags. But there are two points
                      1. There is an opinion that in the last 2-3 years graduates are machine builders and electronics engineers
                      began to settle in the specialty much less often.
                      2. There is a shortage of experienced engineers with extensive experience. This is a complex of reasons.
            3. Civil 29 May 2020 10: 44 New
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              At least I can name three people from the Saturn Design Bureau, starting with Roman Vladimirovich, the chief designer, who did not possess any blasphemy.

              And what are the successes in space? What are these wonderful people proud of? Phobos-primed?
              1. Ka-52 29 May 2020 11: 01 New
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                And what are the successes in space? What are these wonderful people proud of? Phobos-primed?

                well, mindlessly yelling in the comments “everything is lost” you get better than using your gray matter in the process of understanding reality. Otherwise, they would have understood that the Spectrum NGO is not involved in space. But you have a very comfortable position. They love those here. After all, there is no need to prove or argue. It is enough to write: "Missiles fall Rogozinbutut" and the comment went to collect likes. Just what purpose do you pursue this? Take part in a constructive dialogue? Well, you have no more arguments in the comments than the literature in the vocabulary of Eloha Schukina. Give objectivity? Well, no, either. Objectivity is not your thing. Work out some kind of money for littering the portal with a heresy in half with mud? Well, then something is bad with you and it works (learn from colleagues, in particular from the Voroshilov shooter). Another disguised nezalezhinets? very similar in style
                1. Civil 29 May 2020 11: 49 New
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                  well, mindlessly yelling in the comments “everything is lost” you get better than using your gray matter in the process of understanding reality.


                  It’s too late to yell) idiocy, including through the organization in which you work, won. I hope your parents and children will appreciate the work of destroying the country) however the sucker is forever)
                  1. Ka-52 29 May 2020 11: 58 New
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                    I hope your parents and children will appreciate the work to destroy the country

                    yes, it is the corporation that produces aircraft engines for the majority of Soviet and Russian military aircraft, which is responsible for the destruction of the country. Tell me, Civilian, did you suddenly end up haloperidol? Explain how in your mind these causal relationships have developed? If you are a slipper from ISIS, then you are really right - ISIS our crackers (with our own engines) are ironed quite successfully and are trying to dissolve your under-state laughing
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                      Quote: Ka-52
                      I hope your parents and children will appreciate the work to destroy the country

                      yes, it is the corporation that produces aircraft engines for the majority of Soviet and Russian military aircraft, which is responsible for the destruction of the country. Tell me, Civilian, did you suddenly end up haloperidol? Explain how in your mind these causal relationships have developed? If you are a slipper from ISIS, then you are really right - ISIS our crackers (with our own engines) are ironed quite successfully and are trying to dissolve your under-state laughing

                      Switching to personalities will not save you from feeling worthless) by contrasting yourself with the majority in Russia, you humiliate yourself and expose yourself tobaccos. Selling us, you know, these 7 pieces of silver will come out to you sideways.)
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                        Switching to a person will not save you from a sense of worthlessness)

                        you do not bother. Directly answer - how the company that produces engines for military aircraft since the 30s of the last century destroyed Russia. Answer directly if the spirit is enough!
                        contrasting itself with the majority in Russia

                        are you the majority? laughing I always believed that in our country the majority are smart and educated people. Fools and ignoramuses are not the majority, but a bunch of dirt on the sidelines.
                        Selling us

                        you are worthless. You want to sell, so you will not find a buyer laughing And in "us" whom did you record? Those who are now in Idlib in pyruhans and slippers running barefoot? laughing
                      2. AndVikt 29 May 2020 22: 30 New
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                        Where does the strange figure “7 pieces of silver come from?”
                2. Brancodd 30 May 2020 15: 31 New
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                  "All-Finger" does not need a meaningful dialogue. They do not come here for discussion. This account chamber report relates to the activities of Roscosmos for 2017. Rogozin headed Roscosmos in 2018
            4. Bar1 29 May 2020 11: 06 New
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              Saturn Design Bureau, starting with Roman Vladimirovich, chief designer

              but this general designer with a crooked face, how did you get in here?

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                but this general designer with a crooked face, how did you get in here?


                here is the chief. He passed from the bottom, from the beginning of the 2000s, from a design engineer. Without any blat.
                You have Shmotin in the photo. He was before the temple
              2. Parabelum 30 May 2020 12: 27 New
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                Well, of course, a person with a “crooked face” cannot be a designer, because it is .... not aesthetically pleasing? Did I understand correctly? Are you not based on his professional qualities, but on the "erysipelas"?
          2. military_cat 29 May 2020 12: 37 New
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            It is more difficult to search for talents among them than a needle in a haystack talents for something and talents that are their units. Especially on thieves specialties, in principle, they can not be.

            Are these dvigatelists and strong-minded “thieves specialties”? Definitely not confusing them with business administrators, marketers, or, at worst, plastic surgeons and programmers?

            The situation is rather the opposite: in technical universities, applicants are struggling to get into programming or information security, and whoever doesn’t have enough points, go where they can get settled - so that after graduating most of them will not work in their specialty for a day, but work with the same programmers . They fall into industry enterprises in practice, and so they remain there because of an infantile fear of leaving their comfort zone and trying to go for an interview somewhere else. I watched this more than once.
        2. Bar1 29 May 2020 10: 57 New
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          Talented guys work in our design bureau and

          and what are your "talented guys" doing, nothing is being done?
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            and what are your "talented guys" doing, nothing is being done?

            what are you doing? Well, besides surfing the Internet and discussing the work of other people.
            By the way, they are not "mine." I do not belong to the management of the office. And people really create engines that your very favorite Chinese sleep and see in order to copy and recreate in their own
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              1. Ka-52 29 May 2020 12: 53 New
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                which engines? All AL is the USSR.

                no need to write me your fantasy nonsense here.
                the product of the 30th is not and it is not known when it will be.

                it is not only in your carol reality. Although you know better from the sofa laughing
                Yaroslavl and Tutaev engines seem to be good, but the maz refuses in favor

                Saturn produces Yaroslavl motors? belay fool and what side are we to YaMZ and TMZ? Have you tried drinking less?
                Everything in Putin's Russians everything is unsteady and vague

                and in your bandera everything is much better with engines?
                What are your designers doing there?

                What are you doing? Than your work goes to glory your country?
                1. Bar1 29 May 2020 14: 37 New
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                  included a fool? However, this is predictable with such.
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                    included a fool? However, this is predictable with such.

                    Saucepan, why are you jumping on a Russian site? Are you few? Or have you already fallen in dill from your knees?
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              what are you doing? Well, besides surfing the Internet and discussing the work of other people.

              You yourself are so much here that there are doubts about the effectiveness of your work. Maybe you, so passionately debating, simply defend your right to hang around on the Internet?
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                You yourself are so much here that there are doubts about the effectiveness of your work.

                Judging by the ranks, his presence here is 3 years less than yours. So the cow would still mumble fool or point out more interesting than watching yourself, chatterbox?
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                  or point out more interesting than watching yourself, chatterbox?

                  But it was not possible to notice that I did not urge not to sit here, and did not blame it, and did not expose myself as the only one working? Smart ass? fool
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                    Yes, wise guy. And do not be shy about it. And you apparently didn’t quite, once you saw in his comments the expression "I am the only one working." It was criticism answered, where he wrote that not all specialists received their posts thanks to patronage and blat. Specifically refers to a very respected in industrial circles KB. Where did you see there
                    that I do not urge not to sit here, and do not blame it, and do not expose myself to be the only one working, failed?

                    Maybe you're just a low lying man who comes up with the grounds for the accusations? Who are you more - a fool or a liar?
      2. Tavrik 29 May 2020 21: 31 New
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        5. Talents go abroad. Who is to the West, who is to the East.
        This is all sad, but how is it ...
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        Talents cannot work in the current system because of characters and principles.


        It was necessary to put in the first place.
    5. Uran53 29 May 2020 08: 20 New
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      And I agree with Roman. He described everything correctly! We now have a sin to Roscosmos complain about the lack of money. The state rolls them off how much they ask, but where is the result? I don’t know about you, but with me at my work, they demand a result, and moreover, a positive one. For this I get money. And "our" "space builders" led by Rogozin only saw the loot, but they smoke something surprising with this money that they then start flying on the "Yenisei" and "Buranakh 2"! Shame on you!
      1. Brancodd 30 May 2020 15: 36 New
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        Well, how much does the state roll off? 176 billion p. This is less than the annual budget of the South Korea space program. And 15 times less than NASA’s budget
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          Indeed, mere pennies! True, there is still income from commercial launches, of which the majority. And yet - WHERE IS THE RESULT?
    6. Bastinda 29 May 2020 08: 52 New
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      Our Roskosmos breathes like a patient with Covid 19 - through a straw (budgetary allocations).

      Not quite correct comparison.
      But here the patient, until the worms are withdrawn, is useless to fatten wink
    7. 210ox 29 May 2020 08: 59 New
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      Certainly not in Rogozin's business. And in that system built over the past thirty years on the bones of the USSR.
    8. Stas157 29 May 2020 09: 19 New
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      strange article....
      Why write long article .
      In short article to set fire to the nth places to subscribers ...
      Substance is zero. Useful information is zero.
      Howl and gasp about the fall of the missile program in the Russian Federation can any fool

      May be enough to moan?

      Nothing strange. An article about systemic problems in our "space". All that is written is exactly the way it is. It is clear that the Uriah-patriots are very upset, because they try not to think, see or hear about problems.
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        May be enough to moan?

        And this is written by a man who considers it his duty to dump a bunch of crap in any article that describes the achievements of the Russian defense industry ?? Do you, American rogue, have completely refused conscience?
    9. Bad_gr 29 May 2020 10: 56 New
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      ...... Well, the first launch of the "Dragon" with the astronauts was postponed due to the weather, which has already generated a lot of malicious statements on the Web.
      However, do not rejoice like this ...

      It seems that I’m reading quite a bit, and I’m tracking the news about astronautics, but I haven’t met with explicit criticism of Musk. Doubts that he will succeed in another tricky project - yes, but not criticism. Landing the first stage on the remaining fuel is what it costs.
      .... Why do we need a winged ship today? I think no one will answer ....

      The winged ship flew from orbit and landed at the Russian airfield. Not winged - with helicopters and all-terrain vehicles we are looking for the Kazakh steppe.
      Maybe someone does not know, the winged version was worked out even before the flight of Gagarin. But the command came from above to finish doing science fiction and make a more mundane version (not verbatim). Therefore, the astronaut flew in the ball.
      Landing "Buran" in the future should have been like an airplane, not a glider, for which it was provided for flights in the atmosphere of a 2 turbojet engine. In the video, these are the two top engines. The Buran version with 4 engines was intended for pilot training; they were not going to launch it into space.
    10. shahor 29 May 2020 15: 04 New
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      Our Roskosmos breathes like a patient with Covid 19 - through a straw (budgetary allocations).

      Then where did all these criminal cases of stolen billions come from? According to one Eastern how many? They would steal less, you look, and it would become easier to breathe. And budget financing today, do not give as much, all are few, they will all be dragged away!
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        Then where did all these criminal cases of stolen billions come from? According to one Eastern how many? They would steal less, you look, and it would become easier to breathe.


        There is often a saying about fish rotting from the head, mention. Seeing all this, the gloomy conclusion suggests itself that fish already have an unpleasant smell.
    11. vvp2412 30 May 2020 08: 41 New
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      And "supposedly private astronautics" lives off of state subsidies! The cost of launches for the USA at the Mask is overstated so that they can make a discount for Europe ..... Miracles do not happen. But even with unlimited free money, the United States cannot send people into space! And what are the costumes of masked astronauts !? :) And their rubber boots are generally a SINGLE STONE! :)))))))))
    12. TermNachTer 30 May 2020 19: 27 New
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      Let's wait until the Dragon flies if it flies. So far, the number of refusals at the Mask was decent, I am generally surprised that there were volunteers for such a dubious enterprise. Or is it a lifelong?
  2. svp67 29 May 2020 05: 20 New
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    Unfortunately, but lately we have had more talking than real results. There are many promises, there is a spraying of funds on newly emerging "projects", and at the exit, we still use the Soviet legacy.
    Who will have to look for a trampoline?
    It would be good for those who have proved that they cannot work effectively in modern conditions. But, but ... "we are not the 37th" and "" they don’t leave their own. " But who do they own and by what criteria?
    1. The leader of the Redskins 29 May 2020 06: 46 New
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      When half a year ago I wrote in a commentary in the direction of the head of Roskosmos, similar to this article, I was mercilessly mined under the motto "... do you have something personal against Rogozin?" And now, whole articles are written about this ...
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        ..have something personal against Rogozin? "

        Well, it’s not in vain that he spends a lot of money on his “PR defense”
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      He is his darkest. And he has no friends complaining about life.
  3. Break through 29 May 2020 05: 29 New
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    Clear. As always, everything was lost) But in fact: the Americans will finally fly on their ships, we are on our own. Instead of Americans, we will take other astronauts from other countries. It used to be before the tragedy with the shuttles. Why then I do not understand these cries.
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      Instead of Americans, we will take other astronauts from other countries.
      And why did you decide that the cosmonauts of other countries will fly with us ?! They will likewise line up for the Mask. In fact, besides us, soon, no one will need Unions anymore.
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        It’s not even a matter of “And why did you decide that the cosmonauts of other countries will fly with us” - the question will arise, “where” to fly? The ISS will end, there is no station. To the moon, like .... to the moon) To bring "tourists" into orbit? So already several private companies are stubbornly moving towards this and there is no doubt that their price will be lower. Orbiting? And also at a price we will not extend launches in competition with Musk, Bezos and others.
        It remains only the implementation of their state. orders for satellite output. And for this, alliances are enough.
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      We will carry Ethiopians with Honduras. And normal countries are either on a Chinese boat or on a shuttle Mask
      1. Vadim237 29 May 2020 14: 44 New
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        And in Ethiopia and Honduras, there are space centers; if there are no astronauts, there is no one to carry.
        1. Uran53 29 May 2020 21: 04 New
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          Now they’ll soon have more than we can restore the level of astronautics until the end of the 80s of the last century
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            Our level of cosmonautics now just corresponds to the beginning of the 80s. Trucks fly. Unions display satellites for military purposes and so on.
    3. shahor 29 May 2020 15: 09 New
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      Instead of Americans we will take other astronauts from other countries

      And will they surrender to us? Put yourself in their place - 55 million. Musk takes for the flight, 90- Ragozin. Well?
      1. TermNachTer 30 May 2020 19: 29 New
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        But how long does the Mask have enough money to dump? Although he is not poor, he is a private trader, and Roscosmos is a state office.
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          But how long does the Mask have enough money to dump?

          Have you seen his books? Me not. But his company pays taxes on profits, which means it makes money. How much is his business. Competition. State Roscosmos against the private trader Mask. Who will win? I'm for the Mask. He does not steal billions. If he receives money from the budget, then not for current activities, like Roscosmos, but for a completed contract.
          1. TermNachTer 31 May 2020 13: 23 New
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            Do you still believe in fairy tales about free competition? American firms just sit on government orders, as well as Russian. The difference is only in the show-off
            1. shahor 31 May 2020 14: 34 New
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              American firms just sit on government orders, as well as Russian. The difference is only in the show

              Well, firstly, there are no Russian firms. There is Roskosmos. Which receives budget funding. 250 thousand people work there. Mask employs 6 thousand. Musk won, along with Boeing, a competition for the creation of a specific system for delivering astronauts to the ISS. To do this, he developed the Falcon, Falcon-9 and Big Falcon missiles. With reusable first stage. Designed ships, cargo and manned. Cargo, reusable, not only delivers cargo to the ISS, but also returns them to the ground - which Russian Progress cannot. The manned Dragon takes on board up to 7 astronauts. Multiply by 50-350 million. Soyuz-3 astronauts of 90 lyamov-270 each. Next. Under a contract with NASA, Musk has the right to use a manned spacecraft already flying as a cargo ship for delivering cargo to the ISS. Now you understand why Musk will always be cheaper than Roskosmos?
              1. TermNachTer 31 May 2020 17: 14 New
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                This is all a theory, so when it encounters a harsh reality, then let’s take a look. How many failed launches?
                1. shahor 31 May 2020 19: 23 New
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                  How many failed launches?

                  Who?
                  1. TermNachTer 31 May 2020 21: 00 New
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                    At the mask. Successful and unsuccessful? especially your tsifirki, about the number of workers. Did you calculate it yourself or take it somewhere? I work for Motor Sich - the theme, although not close, but related. About 17 snouts work on the main site alone, if ballast is discarded, there will be somewhere around 000 - 10 thousand. And the Mask, a much more complex job, in large volumes, makes half the number of workers. Do not make me laugh))))
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                      Mask has 7000 in the office - the rest is allied suppliers of components, but Spaceix does most of it by itself, so it costs less than the inflated offices of Boeing and Lockheed. One first stage has already brought out the payload five times, and this is a significant cost savings on the second launch, and then the profit growth so that the launch price remains fixed at 65 million and the cost of troubleshooting is more than a million bucks as well as the cost of fuel transportation of salaries to workers utility bills taxes, etc., plus this office has stocks for investments like Tesla. In the space industry, they are vryatli who will dump prices for 86 launches in a row.
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                        That is, there is no closed loop? If tomorrow the supplier goes bankrupt, burns out or something else - what's next? Roscosmos is a closed cycle. They took a piece of metal - they gave out a rocket.
                    2. shahor 1 June 2020 00: 18 New
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                      And the Mask, a much more complex job, in large volumes, makes half the number of workers. Do not make me laugh))))

                      People like me will make you laugh. With your Zaporizhzhya technologies and the mossy organization of production, you and 20 thousand will not be enough. Google in your hands and you will know the truth. How has your leader Buslaev not yet taken everything away?
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                        When a plant is over 100 years old, then the machines on it are different. Who says an old overhaul is bad? There are also the latest, German and US five-axis machining centers, which not everyone has in Russia. The blades for helicopters are made according to new state technologies using composites. People went to the USA for an internship. There is a German 3D printer, fucking sizes. So, everything is not so bad in terms of technology. Motor Issues - Politics
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                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        Motor Issues - Politics

                        I agree. Success plant, people in Ukraine, happiness.
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                    and how is the motor there? still alive? As for the Mask, then Space X until recently was extremely profitable. This is until May of this year, when the Mask accrued bonuses of 700 million for Tesla, and he can use them only after 5 years of holding the level of shares in a certain corridor. As for Space X, yes, about 6 thousand people work. There were about 80 thousand on the Motor in the late 50s, after all the events there remained about 20 thousand if we count with Progress.
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    Quote: Break through
    Why then I do not understand these cries.

    If this is a cry, then from an insult about the former greatness, which is now replaced by "majestic tales"
  • Vladimir_2U 29 May 2020 05: 31 New
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    It is necessary, if only because now “Roskosmos” will lose the last greasy feeder in the form of the delivery-transport of astronauts to the ISS, and there is a lot of incomprehensibility with the ISS itself.
    Do not confuse earnings with a feeder. But in general, there are really few reasons for optimism. Although the new spaceport is a new spaceport.
    And Musk is a hammer, it’s a pity it’s not ours.
    1. U-58 29 May 2020 06: 53 New
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      Having your own mask is not a problem.
      In terms of personalities. We have enthusiasts and competent engineers who are passionate about reaching the dusty paths of distant planets.
      The problem is the organizational side of the issue.
      NASA has long come to the understanding that with the current state of affairs, something new cannot be done quickly.
      For NASA is entangled in chains of various financial and legal conventions and restrictions in volumes that are not inferior to Roscosmos.
      Any program goes through many years of coordination with hundreds of signatories, each of which is trying to insert its 5 cents (cents)))).
      And if later, in the process of all the work that has begun, it is necessary to replace a couple of bolts and one tube, then you need to terminate the old contract, resolve issues on the conclusion of a new one, conclude it and achieve new financing.
      It will take at best 1,5 years.
      But the best in life rarely happens ...
      And then NASA found the courage to admit business insolvency and “created” the Mask.
      He is freed from all bureaucratic procedures and conventions.
      He does not need to ask permission to change the material and design with hundreds of authorities and the lead customer.
      He has the general task of delivering the finished product in the shortest possible time.
      Therefore, Musk can and works on the principle: what do the guys need? Yeah, I realized I’ll do it tomorrow.
      And does. For tomorrow.
      So, for the success of Russian space, we need our own Mask.
      Here are the conditions for its existence, I do not see.
      Grabbers and bureaucrats of all levels will not be allowed to create them.
      1. Engineer 29 May 2020 10: 53 New
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        Yes, you are absolutely right.
        For example, we have norms for the spacecraft design cycle. Stage by stage. A total of 5 years. If the demand comes down to create in three years, we are all at a standstill. Each normalized stage seemed to be 100% logical. How, for example, to start designing without approving the element base? Dead end
        The way out is only private traders who will create their more flexible systems. But we will not have private owners
      2. Vadim237 29 May 2020 14: 45 New
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        Maybe it will appear on the basis of the Cosmocourse - its little Mask.
      3. Tavrik 29 May 2020 21: 44 New
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        You're right. Plusanul. Private companies, led by professional fans of their business, have a tremendous advantage over state-owned corporations.
        - they need to win a "place in the sun", and often this is only possible by moving the mastodons in the form of state. corporations and "great" concerns. You have to strain to give a quality product;
        - State interest customer receive a quality product. But this does not come immediately. Gos. the customer, "fed up" with the promises of the heads of state. corporations, in the end, understands that the product must be rolled out, but nothing has been done, and the frantic search for those who can do it begins;
        - less bureaucratic delays at all stages;
        - All org issues are resolved faster. Starting with changes in the structure of the enterprise, the creation of divisions, positions, determination of salaries and ending with material and technical support.
        But, I emphasize, this is possible, with adequate leadership, striving not only to "fill their pockets", but to make a quality product.
      4. Willywonka 1 June 2020 09: 48 New
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        Problem. No private property.
  • Sergey_G_M 29 May 2020 05: 43 New
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    As already tired of the confidence of some "experts" that Buran was copied from the Shuttle. These are completely different ships, they are only outwardly similar.
    1. Mitroha 29 May 2020 06: 22 New
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      What experts, such and confidence request
  • datura23 29 May 2020 06: 16 New
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    and when the astronauts die, the author will sing about Russian sabotage?
    1. Greenwood 29 May 2020 08: 24 New
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      And why should they die? Dragons and Falcons have passed many tests and trials.
      1. Genry 29 May 2020 14: 06 New
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        And why should they die?

        And you know that in the Dragon capsule there are tanks with fuel, an oxidizing agent, and a displacer (helium). And that this fuel is toxic, since it is similar to heptyl, which is in Protons, only this poison is already inside the capsule with the crew.
        1. Vadim237 29 May 2020 14: 49 New
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          In the most inhabited module, there are no fuel tanks on the outer part of the ship, engines of the emergency rescue system are installed.
          1. Genry 29 May 2020 14: 54 New
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            Quote: Vadim237
            In the most inhabited module, there are no fuel tanks

            Where is yours?
            Quote: Vadim237
            on the outside of the ship are the engines of the emergency rescue system

            I did not say anything about engines. Yes, they are on top, but the control and power systems are inside the capsule ...
            1. Bad_gr 29 May 2020 18: 58 New
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              Where is yours?
              In the service compartment, which is located behind the pressurized compartment (in which astronauts sit)
              1. Bad_gr 29 May 2020 20: 15 New
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                The more I read about Dragon, the more I like it.
                It implemented an idea that we did not get a move. Reusable manned spacecraft "Dawn"

                Landing is not by parachute, but by rocket engines located on the descent vehicle.
                At Dragon, these engines also operate in a rescue system. Our “Union”, for example, when launching a ship into orbit, carries with it an emergency rescue system (CAC), which is simply thrown away. That is, the launch vehicle drags an extra load almost to its orbit.
              2. Genry 29 May 2020 20: 37 New
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                And what do these pictures have to do with the Dragon ???
                Where are 4 pairs of engines ???
                1. Bad_gr 29 May 2020 20: 48 New
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                  Quote: Genry
                  And what do these pictures have to do with the Dragon ???
                  Where are 4 pairs of engines ???

                  In the picture "Dawn", in the video "Dragon". In common - a landing system on rocket engines. On other ships this is not, prefer parachutes.
                  I thought I wrote it clearly.
                  1. Genry 29 May 2020 21: 45 New
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                    I thought I wrote it clearly.

                    Immediately point to a change in topic or context. And then they took my phrase about the Dragon and brought sketches from the Dawn, without pointing to it and without entering the source of information.
                    But I liked the dawn.
                    1. Bad_gr 30 May 2020 01: 28 New
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                      And then they took my phrase about the Dragon and brought sketches from the Dawn, without indicating this

                      Where is your phrase about "Dragon" in my message about "Dawn"?
                      1. Genry 30 May 2020 08: 27 New
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                        Bad_gr (Vladimir) Yesterday, 18:58
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                        Quote: Genry
                        Bad_gr (Vladimir) Yesterday, 18:58

                        In the message (Yesterday, 18:58) there is not a word about "Dawn".
                        In the message about "Dawn" I do not quote anyone, refers to a common topic.
                      3. Genry 30 May 2020 09: 04 New
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                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        In the message (Yesterday, 18:58) there is not a word about "Dawn".

                        Then what is there and what connection to the context of my message has?
                      4. Genry 30 May 2020 09: 26 New
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                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        .... I do not quote anyone, relates to a common topic.

                        This is a new comment thread.
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                        Quote: Genry
                        This is a new comment thread.

                        And why is that ? To whose question I answer, it can be seen from the quotes. I supplemented my first message with the “dragon” diagram with information on the “dragon”, but without any quotes, since it is not an answer to someone else’s message and relates to a common topic.
                        What's wrong?
                      6. Genry 30 May 2020 10: 31 New
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                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        My first message, with the “dragon” scheme, I supplemented with information on the “dragon,”

                        What do you call the "dragon scheme"? On those sketches there is no close resemblance.
  • zwlad 29 May 2020 19: 34 New
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    Would be ashamed to throw such phrases!
    Astronauts are people like you.
  • Wedmak 29 May 2020 06: 18 New
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    And you can do trolling on this subject for as long as you want, everyone, from the last couch cheer patriot to Rogozin, after the docking, there will be nothing to say.

    And Roskosmos will lose its millions of dollars. Because all US satellites, of course, will line up for the flights of the "Dragon" Mask.

    The whole article could fit in two paragraphs. Again, everything is gone. Firstly, this is only the first flight of the Dragon. Everyone knew that the system would fly and had already flown in the cargo version. Only the issue of safety and reliability is still hanging. What article will be after the first disaster? Secondly, why did you decide that the Americans are able to master the near space, and even more so the moon, on their own? Europeans here by the way will not help them much.
    No need to be distracted by PR, the art of which the Americans are fluent in perfection. Filling everything with green papers doesn’t really help, we need technology. And here we come to the most interesting: launch price formation. I can even imagine how the customer will choose between a used accelerator and a new one, wondering if he can use a used one sideways? How much is used? And the new one is a little expensive ... And the performer is in pain from the fact that every used accelerator needs to be transported, defective, replaced parts, etc. And if they are not particularly used, they must be stored somewhere in proper form and for quite some time.
    You often scold our space program, they say the sounds of a saw are heard. On the other side of the ocean it’s not even sounds, it’s a slender choir with an ensemble. The only difference is that they stupidly print money (here, do not convince me that this is not so !!!), but we earn. What infusions, such and exhaust.
    1. U-58 29 May 2020 07: 00 New
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      In fact, in the space industry of the Union and Russia it is not customary to mention accidents and catastrophes on the eve of launch.
      This is a very bad and unacceptable tone, although superstition ...
      1. Wedmak 29 May 2020 07: 50 New
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        Well, that is, "everything is lost with us" and "our ships that are not built will not fly anywhere" can you mention, and the possibility of an accident of the latest US-made ship is not worth it? Are there any other laws of physics or Trump’s words “we have the best of everything” enough for it to be the best and work without failures?
    2. And why do you need 29 May 2020 07: 20 New
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      Used, not used .... Europe buys liquefied gas, but Russia is cheaper. So, we will see.
      1. Wedmak 29 May 2020 07: 52 New
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        He buys, but in such scanty volumes that compared to the pipe it’s zilch. And by the way, he buys, as you know, not voluntarily, but under the very strong pressure of the seller.
      2. shahor 29 May 2020 15: 17 New
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        Quote: Why do you need it?
        Europe buys liquefied gas, but Russia is cheaper.

        Left behind from life! An example is Turkey. 14 times reduced gas purchases in Russia, because liquefied from Qatar and Algeria is cheaper.
    3. Octopus 29 May 2020 08: 23 New
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      Quote: Wedmak
      and we earn.

      wassat
      Quote: Wedmak
      launch pricing

      Roscosmos prices and Mask are known.
      Quote: Wedmak
      whether use of second-hand will go to him sideways?

      Take an interest in the length of the current trouble-free series of Unions and Falcons.
      Quote: Wedmak
      why did you decide that the Americans are able to master the near space, and even more so the moon, on their own?

      Some kind of strange question. Because they do it, obviously.
      1. Wedmak 29 May 2020 10: 32 New
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        Take an interest in the length of the current trouble-free series of Unions and Falcons.

        Why don't you include the Shuttles here? Yes and Protons at the same time? Cargo bottles, people don’t fly on them, safety requirements are lower, equipment is simpler. What is the life support system worth.
        Because they do it, obviously.

        Why is it obvious? All missions to the planets were done in cooperation. Take an interest in whose neutron detector is on Curiosity. Most of the spacecraft was launched into space on the RD-180 produced by the Russian Federation.
        The fact that the US has finally finished off its manned ship does not mean at all that “tomorrow” they will quickly master near-Earth orbit and jump to the moon or Mars.
        The ISS is nearing its end. Whether the USA will be able to make its own orbital station alone is a question. The history of their crafts in this area is so-so. Even with our experience on the ISS, they will be sawing for a long time.
        1. Octopus 29 May 2020 10: 40 New
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          Quote: Wedmak
          Why don't you include the Shuttles here?

          Because trouble-free series is considered for a specific carrier.
          Quote: Wedmak
          All missions to the planets were done in cooperation.

          If the Americans invited partners to their projects, this does not mean that they cannot do something on their own.
          Quote: Wedmak
          Most of the spacecraft was launched into space on the RD-180 produced by the Russian Federation.

          Already the smallest. Atlas is one of five current US carriers.
          Quote: Wedmak
          "tomorrow" they will quickly master the near-earth orbit

          They have long mastered the NOU.
          Quote: Wedmak
          Will the USA be able to make its own orbital station alone?

          Whether they will be able to - is not a question of whether they want to - here yes, not a fact.
          1. Wedmak 29 May 2020 10: 51 New
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            If the Americans invited partners to their projects, this does not mean that they cannot do something on their own.

            That's just what I look at. They quickly and without problems created the production of the RD-180 according to the license sold to them ... And for that, they probably also buy titanium and titanium products from us. And, well, yes, they started buying our oil ... they probably can too, but they don’t want to pump their own. Yes, and the nuclear industry is probably why it’s breathing - they don’t want to develop.
            They have long mastered the NOU.

            A low reference orbit is only an intermediate orbit (about 200 km), even below the ISS. She still has the same amount to fly. Cleverly you are manipulating words.
            Whether they will be able to - is not a question of whether they want to - here yes, not a fact.

            Deftly, yes ... we can say that we do not want when we can not.
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              That's what I look at. They quickly and without problems created the production of the RD-180 according to the license they sold ..

              Why do they need them?
              Quote: Wedmak
              And on the same probably titanium and titanium products are purchased from us.

              Say thank you for having it. They can buy a lot where, but you will sell to few.
              Quote: Wedmak
              Well, yes, they started to buy our oil ... probably they can,

              Actually, there’s nothing funny for you here. The states at the beginning of the year were already a net exporter of energy. Yes, they buy sour oil for technological reasons. Previously, they took her to Venezuela, now she is under sanctions.
              Quote: Wedmak
              Yes, and the nuclear industry is probably why it’s breathing - they don’t want to develop.

              The problems of the American nuclear industry are a favorite topic of the Runet. Now this industry is just a hefty pump for pumping state money. If they squeeze the Americans, they will buy the Israeli nuclear industry, which has no problems, and will transport it to itself entirely.
              Quote: Wedmak
              it is only an intermediate orbit (about 200 km), even below the ISS. She still has the same amount to fly. Cleverly you are manipulating words.

              And why did you drag it? What do Americans fly to the ISS?
              Quote: Wedmak
              we can say that we don’t want when we can’t.

              You can say anything. Why are you leading to the fact that Artemis will be covered with a copper basin due to technical problems?
      2. Wedmak 29 May 2020 10: 36 New
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        Roscosmos prices and Mask are known.

        Oh yes .. prices .. there is a serious assumption that the announced prices of the Mask are not the whole amount that the customer pays. And since the customer is mainly NASA, which supports SpaceX through its laying companies and other district routes, we get nifiga no cheaper than Roscosmos.
        1. Octopus 29 May 2020 10: 41 New
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          this is not the whole amount that the customer pays. And since the customer is mainly NASA, which supports SpaceX

          Your ideas about the American budget are clear.

          When Americans want to give money to their own people, they do it openly, as with SLS.
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          this is not the whole amount paid by the customer

          And the customer pays it, obviously, involuntarily? American spies go to sales departments and blaspheme Roscosmos, and then they all believe at once?

          Quote: Wedmak
          NASA's customer is basically

          If it suddenly turns out that for 2019 less than 50% of launches were paid by NASA (you can even calculate NASA + DOD), then what will happen? Do you acknowledge that you are a balabol?
    4. ALARI 29 May 2020 10: 09 New
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      Reusable planes fly, fall, but no one screams that you need to abandon them and ride stagecoaches. Justified risk.
  • mark1 29 May 2020 06: 24 New
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    I do not know what to say. The author clearly and obviously fell into depression. The second article and everything is not in cash.
    And the "Unions" we have are good. even suitable for lunar programs (with certain restrictions), and the missile program is still developing (albeit with costs) and does not degrade, just like not so long ago, and rocket plans are needed because they have the ability to remove cargo from orbit and private business is trampling a path into space ... Ah Roma! Should we be sad !?
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      "... and private business is trampling a path into space .."
      Trampled from the Soviet
      times are not businessmen at all, now they are developing the country's budget, including public funds. And they will seize the elect (?) (!).
      1. mark1 29 May 2020 10: 45 New
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        And do not wail from under the beet.
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          And do not wail from under the beet.

          Excuse me? Are you really among the "chosen ones"? Those, too, - the country was bent: "And you hold on."
          I don’t want the domestic space to go in the direction ... where a lot of things have gone.
  • Guards turn 29 May 2020 06: 37 New
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    The author has already taken off and docked. Elon Musk a swindler will fly nowhere, you can dock the elderly American astronauts Douglas Hurley and Robert Benken in the pavilion. Shuttles also successfully flew ... But out of 4, 2 exploded. Statistics.
    1. Vadim237 29 May 2020 14: 53 New
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      Yes, you do not pulsate like that with Mask and his team of 7000 people everything that is planned flies and will fly and work as planned.
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        For six decades I have been looking forward to repeating the record moon landing ... We are looking hopefully at the sky - the main thing is that the weather does not interfere again. "The launch of the Crew Dragon spaceship has been postponed due to weather conditions."
    2. zwlad 29 May 2020 19: 37 New
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      How many times didn’t explode?
      Do not write nonsense.
      1. Guards turn 30 May 2020 04: 01 New
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        Starship prototype Ilona Mask exploded during testing. MOSCOW, May 29 - RIA Novosti. This year’s third prototype Starship, created by SpaceX by Ilona Mask for interplanetary flights, exploded during tests in Texas. Broadcasting is conducted by the American specialized site nasaspaceflight.com.
        SpaceX conducted fire tests of the Raptor methane engine as part of the Starship SN4 prototype ship in the Boca Chica village of Texas. However, some time after the tests, a fuel leak occurred and the prototype exploded.
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          You mean the fuel tank test bench for engine and structural strength. The prototype of the ship is not to call the language.
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            Today there will be two options I give 100% 1) Explosion. 2) Launch is postponed, rain can dissolve the skin of the Crew Dragon ship.
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              And in both you blew it - success in further Godalkins.
    3. Grading 30 May 2020 22: 48 New
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      And here again, a fraudster and a nonspecialist and almost bankrupt, Ilon Mask shot a film in the Hollywood hangars about a nonexistent and irrevocable rocket !!!!!!! good
  • codetalker 29 May 2020 06: 37 New
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    Particularly pleased about the "Mask - a stubborn man." Personally, nothing bad can be said about him. He personally is nothing. All of his projects are the result of the hard work of the entire industrial complex of the US state. They also need to somehow maintain the appearance of a "technologically advanced power." For this purpose, all Tesla, space speakers and so on were created. It just so happened that at this historical moment, the image of the “genius-inventor of a loner” was strongly developed in the inf space, and therefore the figure of Mask appeared. There are great doubts that he is being allowed to manage the companies that he formally leads. There would be a fashion for some state monsters. corporations, about Mask no one would have known.
    About the launch. I think it will be successful in the end, since it is politically very necessary for the US leadership. Will they be able to do this, see.
    Our space industry will somehow survive at any outcome. You look Rogozin gene prosecutors will be busy.
    1. rocket757 29 May 2020 06: 56 New
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      About the launch. I think it will be successful in the end, maybe

      This is about space! there is an element of surprise, contingency, set of circumstances to completely circumvent, while it does not work ... only to minimize everything. Of course, they can, according to these technological, economic criteria ... but from the outside it seems that they have lost their American obstinacy and other necessary things!
      In short, we'll see ... let the astronauts have everything OK!
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        technological, economic criteria

        Yes, there is no particular certainty in these criteria. Another conversation is that the country's leadership needs it right now, so I assume that they have strained. And what will happen ... we will soon find out.
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          Conversations, a lot of talk here and there! And some people are quietly, quietly, realizing their program ... and he has very, very prospects. Oh and ah, it remains only to envy, although WORK HARDLY!
    2. Courier 29 May 2020 13: 26 New
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      Musk is the fruit of the American environment, and the entire US industrial complex will not work for him, because the US state does not own this complex.

      Nafig Boeing does not need any Mask. Like any other aerospace company.
      Similarly, all Ford and GM do not need Tesla.

      It’s just, specifically in the USA, such Masks often grow. Inexplicably.
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        It’s just, specifically in the USA, such Masks often grow. Inexplicably.

        This is not clear since
        is:
        because the US state does not own this complex.

        Nafig Boeing does not need any Mask. Like any other aerospace company.
        Similarly, all Ford and GM do not need Tesla.

        not true.
      2. AndVikt 29 May 2020 22: 49 New
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        "Musk is the fruit of the American environment, and the entire US industrial complex will not work for him, because the US state does not own this complex." - Sorry, but don’t tell my slippers. As it was said in one film, How many nunos, so many nano. It will not just work, but will fight for the opportunity to work, even if they do not pay for it.
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      For this support, they had a Boeing ULA and others - a new competitor in the form of a Mask office they broke off everything both in terms of conclusions and money.
    4. voyaka uh 30 May 2020 01: 59 New
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      "There are big doubts that he’s being allowed to manage companies,
      which he formally leads "////
      ----
      They made fun! This Musk does not allow anyone to control SpaceX.
      There are no shares, no board of directors. Ilona's personal favorite toy. laughing
      At NASA, the Mask, with its temperament and harsh tongue, is a little afraid.
      A little something - sues.
      1. codetalker 30 May 2020 03: 55 New
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        Well, no stocks, no advice. And Musk, like the Queen of England, seems to be in charge, and other people are in charge.
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    Another question, is it necessary to look at the Mask with such a heritage as ours?

    Always said that you need to do YOUR BUSINESS !!! Persistently and concretely!
  • Sergey S. 29 May 2020 06: 52 New
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    Long-distance expeditions to asteroids and other planets are organized by any countries, but not Russia. Flight research stations - without us. Raids outside the solar system are not us.

    Unfortunately, all that Russia can today is to build high-quality space toilets and carry astronauts of countries that can pay for it to the ISS.

    Not my topic, but it seems that the words are correct ...
    The worst thing is not that there are few resources, or something does not work out. the worst thing is that soon we will forget how to productively dream .... and do the impossible.
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      Unfortunately, the matter, Korolyov’s plans were not found to continue worthily. In general, there were two concepts, one is some implementation of the program created by Korolev, the other seemed to revolve around the earth and the prospect of interplanetary flights was relegated to the background! she won, i.e. was approved by the top leadership of the country .... and then, everything went completely awry and we have or no longer have ......
  • Doctor 29 May 2020 07: 17 New
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    It turns out that taking an astronaut to the ISS in 2019 cost Americans 86 million. More expensive than a tourist. And in total they paid almost 4 billion.
    We’ll lose a decent amount.
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      Well, this was to happen sooner or later.
  • Vitaly Tsymbal 29 May 2020 07: 34 New
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    Thank you Roman for the article !!! There is no reason for the problem that has been raised - there is not a reasonable word about it, only emotions .... There is no topic specificity — there is nothing about it either ... No, not for new and interesting information - there is only “chewing” of old baseless allegations like "u have disappeared" ... And thank you for setting an example of how self-isolation leads everyone when you sit in front of a computer for days and nights and try to find at least something new besides coronovirus, so you suck it " WHAT DOES IT NOT MATTER CHE "... You, dear Roman, have revived (or perhaps gave birth) in journalism to the genre of DEPRESSIVE PESSIMISM !!!! Throw it, Roman "Claudia" and forward to nature - into the forest, into the mountains, into the desert .... otherwise DEPRESSIVE PESSIMISM from the journalistic genre can degenerate into a psychiatric diagnosis.
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    1. Angelo Provolone 29 May 2020 08: 18 New
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      Quote: Borz
      There is financing (otherwise, dear Roman would not talk about the "screech of a saw")

      It does not matter that it is cut out of the economy and the pockets of the population and is actively plundered. The main thing is ...
      Quote: Borz
      days only heavy rockets projected how many

      to design does not mean to run.
      Level of production and technological readiness ...

      Yes. It remains only to start and finish.
      And do not forget that everything happens in the context of Western sanctions and incredible US opposition

      What is the opposition? Have you watched a movie with Rogozin? We are told: "The creation by the Americans of their manned spacecraft is an incredible success of Roskosmos." It’s just that now you don’t have to bear responsibility for the lives of astronauts.
      Another thing is strange, when it comes to the RD-180 engine, Rogozin is silent that this is a "failure" of Roscosmos. The Americans did not create their copy.
      Probably, the Americans do not specifically create an analog of RD. Spoiled
      1. Borz 29 May 2020 08: 46 New
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        quote = Angelo Provolone] [quote = Borz] There is financing (otherwise dear Roman would not talk about the "screech of the saw") [/ quote]
        It does not matter that it is cut out of the economy and the pockets of the population and is actively plundered. The main thing is ...
        [quote = Borz] days only heavy rockets projected how many [/ quote]
        to design does not mean to run.
        [quote] The level of production and technological readiness ... [/ quote]
        Yes. It remains only to start and finish.
        [Quote
        What are you offering? Let's not finance science and production, let's not develop new projects, let's, in your opinion, give Roscosmos money to the social sphere and calmly watch the Indians and Chinese fly into space. Does anyone in India, the United States or China raise a wave, they say, but let's better invest this huge money in various sectors of the economy or social programs? In China, in your opinion, is everything good with the social program, does everyone live rich and rich? And in India? Have you been? I have been. Here and there. They do not spare money for space. And no one laments that they got into someone’s pocket for that money.
        And yes, Rogozin, as an effective leader, I personally have doubts.
        1. Angelo Provolone 29 May 2020 09: 27 New
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          Do you propose admiring Rogozin’s interview?
          or be touched, like everywhere they steal from us?
          Or look like everything is bad in America, because. that there a policeman strangled a black man, but we haven’t got it yet?
          So it turns out how great it is!
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            Did I admire or be touched? Where?! Where did you see it in my text? !!!
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        They have their own copy of BE 4 called from the office of Bezos and Raptor from the office of Mask.
  • VicktorVR 29 May 2020 08: 04 New
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    And the Queen is and will be, and Glushko, and other "Little Chertok". And even the "old shots" remained in some places.
    But nobody needs them.
    The issue is organization and leadership.
    1. Tavrik 29 May 2020 21: 58 New
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      Correct: they are not needed here. And they will take it from Mask or in China with pleasure. As far as I understand, now is the era of multinational development companies, especially in such high-tech fields as in space. In such companies, Americans, Germans, Russians, Chinese and other Indians work side-by-side. Accordingly, those countries that are attractive to active, literate, enthusiastic people from different countries have an advantage. This is a huge personnel reserve. And for whom are we attractive? Well, for the Jumshuts and Ravshans ...
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    Amazing article. Some great writer sprinkled. It tastes like the next praise of America ...
    Either a pimple youngster admires chewing gum, or a dude. trying to raise the attendants. Now the brothers will fly and show their support where the ears of the article grow from.
  • kartalovkolya 29 May 2020 08: 21 New
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    An article in the style of: "... the chef is gone, the gypsum is crushed, the client is leaving ..."! I would like to ask the author, but "whose will you be ...", are you sick of ours?
  • Jurkovs 29 May 2020 08: 30 New
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    Why do we need a winged ship today? I think no one will answer.

    Why do Americans need a top-secret X-37?
    Otherwise, the author emphasized correctly. However, the construction of a new orbital station is also not going smoothly, although China and India are unlikely to refuse. There is a strong opinion that today they took everything from orbital stations. Observations from Earth's orbit are already better done by satellites. All kinds of studies of the influence of microgravity have already been done. Hopes for the industrial use of weightlessness when creating some kind of superfood crystals did not materialize. And then what is the station for? To bring there the Chinese and Indians? Pull them to your level? Russian cosmonautics needs a PROJECT. Even the MEGA PROJECT. This mega-project could be a ship with a nuclear engine. This is where all the money should be sent. And it is with this project to correlate the creation of a superheavy carrier. It may turn out that it’s enough for us to withdraw only 30 tons at the DOE.
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      "The Russian cosmonautics needs a PROJECT. Even a MEGA-PROJECT. This mega-project can be a ship with a nuclear engine. That's where all the money needs to be sent."
      Your untruth. The creation of any ship cannot be the goal. This is a remedy.
      The goal is a flight to Mars, the asteroid belt, Saturn’s moons, etc. according to the list, and the megacraft is secondary, it is one of the stages of achieving the GOAL.
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        I will continue further. If we do not have a GOAL, then we can design ships and missiles until they turn blue, there is always an excuse that this project does not meet the requirements that have been opened and a new one needs to be done.
        This state of affairs is an excellent feeder, the most profitable type of activity is designing without creating a product in iron.
        From my point of view, a megaproject is the foundation of a workstation on the surface of Mars.
        Some stages are the creation of an orbital station for the assembly of an interplanetary ship.
        - Development of technology for assembling a ship from modules delivered from the ground. This is where it is necessary to determine the carrying capacity of missiles, which must deliver separate modules for assembly.
        From my point of view, the single-launch scheme limits the mass and dimensions of the interplanetary spacecraft and is not viable in future development.
  • Krasnoyarsk 29 May 2020 08: 43 New
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    All that Roman said could be said in three sentences.
    The rest of the text is water. What for?
    1. Aviator_ 29 May 2020 08: 57 New
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      Well don't be so naive. I will not continue.
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        Quote: Aviator_
        Well don't be so naive.

        request

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        I will not continue.

        And rightly so. It is unlikely that anyone will argue with your promise - the Russian space program is in a deep crisis. And it is not known when it will come out of it.
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  • Maks1995 29 May 2020 08: 48 New
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    Alas. The author "does not believe in retirement," but really wants to "believe")))))

    "is it time to change something and from the confident statements of Mr. Rogozin to move on to confident business?"
    Rogozin and the next K. receives 6 salaries of hoofed astronauts only officially. And also stocks, shares, family. relatives, property ...

    600% (conditionally) of a minimum profit. Remember that classics wrote about such%?
    can’t be moved away from the feeder ... (Serdyukov and Chubais as an example)
  • Aviator_ 29 May 2020 08: 55 New
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    The United States abandoned winged shuttles 10 years ago, Europe didn’t think this way,

    If we raise the scientific literature of the late 80s and early 90s, it will become clear that at that romantic time, after the large 30 tons of Shuttle and Buran, in a number of countries there was a huge interest in small Shuttles by 1-5 tons
    - French “Hermes”, German “Zenger”, even Japa were planning something of their own. There were serious R&D, in particular, the Hermes model at TsAGI was purged, which somewhat improved the condition of the office. Projects provided for the launch of these devices in the period from 2001 to 2005. However, in 1999, the redrawing of European borders began by force (Yugoslavia), and the projects died quietly.
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      Quote: Aviator_
      provided for the launch of these devices in the period from 2001 to 2005. However, in 1999, the redrawing of European borders began by force (Yugoslavia), and the projects died quietly.

      If these projects were interesting, then they would certainly return after the end of the conflict. Or events in Georgia, and then in the Crimea prevented? Rave.
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        Well, do not confuse the local conflicts that were, are and will be and the liquidation of the European country. Spacecraft are always made with the money of states (Musk is here also as a subcontractor, whatever he talks about it). France didn’t have enough money, borrowed from Gaddafi (it would be excusable if for Hermes), but not for him. Then Gaddafi was bombed. So there is a sharp change in state interests.
  • Putnik119 29 May 2020 09: 18 New
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    In ached! Dear Sirs! Our Unions are not older than the American B-52. This is the first. Let the Americans fly first. This is the second. And thirdly, the space program must be really useful for the country. For the economy and defense. And to be measured in pipettes with anyone else is not worth it. The comments of Ukrainians are especially encouraging. Probably, they are scribbling them from hyperloops.
    1. Brancodd 29 May 2020 23: 31 New
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      Yes, on this site hohlotroli active. Especially parasitic on the topics of the military-industrial complex and the Russian Space Agency. Rosatom gets the same thing. The scheme is approximately the following. Authors are usually freelance Mamut employees (lenta.ru). An essay is launched - a tantrum in the “style is all gone”, “we can’t do anything” and “but in normal countries”. Moreover, these materials are copied to other resources. It is picked up by an army of "professionals", it is gaining support. And forward for the fee ...
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      !

      Ukrainian students not only work on unloading wagons ...
  • dali 29 May 2020 09: 54 New
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    Roman, I don’t agree with you at the expense of Buran-2 ... at all.
    Since then, technology has improved dramatically, new materials have appeared - this time!
    Well, and what prevents to lay the tiles, thinner of the new materials ...?
    And what prevents them from the fact that they are newer, thinner, lighter, more durable - put them in three, four, five, six or seven layers with overlapping, like brickwork?

    And then the loss of one, two or three ... tiles are not scary!

    And these half-disposable from Mask way to nowhere ... the future belongs to reusable ships !!!
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      Three minus - the masked worshipers tried, do not agree? A little argument? laughing
  • Slippery 29 May 2020 10: 07 New
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    frank bzdezh in a puddle. Talented guys work in our design bureau and the chief designer is looking for them at all specialized universities. And there is the possibility of implementation in complex (but interesting) projects. Simply, most graduates are frankly infantile and low-initiative mass. Finding talent among them is more difficult than a needle in a haystack

    Specialists are not mushrooms, they need to be raised and not searched. And as for lack of initiative, young people have a much wider choice of life paths, you’ll be interested in getting a “shot”, no, they will go to light industry as an adjuster of sewing stations. And convey to the chief designer my respect for the "search". It’s not scary that the student will learn and leave, it’s much worse if he does not learn and remains.
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      I’ll add about our youth ... A few years ago, in Auto Review, there was an article about automotive design. I was surprised to learn that quite a few Russians work in a number of not the latest design firms. So there are talents who are passionate about their work .... but not about our honor ...
  • Phoenix 29 May 2020 11: 00 New
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    Some sort of ordering, already quite tired of reading false propaganda. Or does the author really think so (then feel sorry for him) or pay for it? As there is a betrayal of the motherland.
  • Wasilii 29 May 2020 11: 08 New
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    Respect to the author! Putlersky trolls turned farts.
  • A.TOR 29 May 2020 11: 08 New
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    Shuttles stopped flying primarily because they were too expensive. In fact, their role was important in the construction of the ISS, then they became simply redundant. At that time, most of the tasks were successfully solved by disposable carriers, and the presence of people in space was provided by the ISS. Here, the "Unions" in value were out of competition.
    Shuttle crashes played a role, but that was not the main thing - there were no tasks for them. The arms race has gone into oblivion.
    Now, with the advent of new technologies, it has become possible to resume flights using partially reusable carriers - cost reduction. But the main thing is that business has come into space. States, as goal-setters in space, are fading into the background. And where the business saw profitability, everything will “blossom and smell” - that’s how life works.
    America has an interest in space, backed by money. The foundations on the basis of which many universities are created and live are ready and can finance space exploration up to the exploration of Pluto.
    Russia does not just have no money - there are no those who are interested in space "in an adult way" and are ready to invest.
    And Musk, in fact, is the second Henry Ford. It gives hope for a cosmic future not only in America
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      In fact, their role was important in the construction of the ISS, then they became simply redundant. At that time, most tasks were successfully solved by disposable media,
      One of the mission of the shuttle was to return to the earth a failed satellite, which after repair would be returned back into orbit. Ours assumed that our satellites would also steal, which is why they decided to do the same for the same tasks. Disposable inhabitants cannot do this.
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        The Shuttles had a monstrous payload.
        The Hubble telescope has been lifted into orbit entirely!
        Conventional rockets would have to lift it for 2-3 times
        and collect in orbit.
        But there were few such bulk cargoes as the ISS and Hubble modules.
        And just to drive into orbit a company of 5-7 astronauts was unprofitable.
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          The Shuttles had a monstrous payload.
          The Hubble telescope has been lifted into orbit entirely!
          Conventional rockets would have to lift it for 2-3 times
          and collect in orbit.

          ----- Shuttle
          Payload mass
          • at DOE ------------------------- 24,4 t
          • to the geo-transitional orbit - 3,81 tons
          ------- Proton
          Payload mass
          • at DOE --------------------------- 23, 7 t
          • at GPO-1500 -------------------- 6,35 tons (with RB "Breeze-M")
          • at GPO-1800 -------------------- 7,1 tons (with RB "Breeze-M")
          • at GSO ------------------------ up to 3,7 tons (with RB "Breeze-M")
  • bairat 29 May 2020 11: 09 New
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    Space is an expensive toy, there is no economic exhaust above the orbit of positioning satellites, and in general a person has nothing to do there. Russia has already cast off its name in space exploration in gold letters, well, not that we now have an economic state that would continue to compete with China and the USA. Of course, they will deliberately deliberate us, so that we would throw more money into this black hole. But one must hold on and not succumb to provocations. The Germans / French / Italians live without the status of a great space power, and nothing.
    Minuserov I ask you to argue your opinion, maybe I don’t understand something.
    1. dali 29 May 2020 11: 29 New
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      The Germans / French / Italians live without the status of a great space power, and nothing.

      The French have their own space program in general.
      The Germans, Italians on a trailer from the United States.

      Quote: bairat
      Space is an expensive toy, there is no economic exhaust above the orbit of positioning satellites, and in general a person has nothing to do there.

      Without space, mankind has no future, and even less so for Russia - because only those who can actually master the cosmos can protect themselves in the future.
      So understandable ?! belay
    2. dali 29 May 2020 11: 31 New
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      Minuserov I ask you to argue your opinion, maybe I don’t understand something.

      And it seems to you that no argument is needed judging by the appeal to the formans who do not agree with you.
      Because you minus from me !!!
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      The Germans / French / Italians live without the status of a great space power, and nothing.
      The Germans / French / Italians preferred personal wealth to the status of a great space power. But in Russia it was proposed to “tighten the belts” in favor of the status of a power. Ok, the belts tightened, but why in this case there is a creeping refusal of the status of a power for the sake of which they were tightened?
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      there is no economic exhaust to fly above the orbit of positioning satellites, and in general a person has nothing to do there.

      Interestingly, what did our cosmonauts at the stations do for six months or a year, if there was nothing to do there?
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        Preparing to fly to Mars.
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          Preparing to fly to Mars.

          winked
  • bairat 29 May 2020 12: 01 New
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    Quote: Dali

    Without space, mankind has no future, and even less so for Russia - because only those who can actually master the cosmos can protect themselves in the future.
    So understandable ?! belay

    This is just a slogan from the wall. To protect yourself above the orbit of the Glonass satellites, you do not need to fly. Sitting on the ISS is pointless; flying to Mars / Moon is pointless (only if you later tear off the vest "yes, we first stuck a flag there!"). Gold bullion from the moon is not economically feasible to transport. and there is nothing but sand.
    A neighbor carries goods to the north. The average speed is sometimes kilometer per day. First mud, then snow. That's where you need to invest in the roads, and not in all sorts of fantasies.
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      Satellite Internet is actively developing, and this is hundreds of billions of dollars, the rest will catch up, including the extraction of rare-earth metals on the moon and meteorites.
  • bairat 29 May 2020 12: 06 New
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    Quote: Dali
    Quote: bairat
    Minuserov I ask you to argue your opinion, maybe I don’t understand something.

    And it seems to you that no argument is needed judging by the appeal to the formans who do not agree with you.
    Because you minus from me !!!

    What was offended that Forman?) Yor is the suffix of the character, without any subtexts.
  • rotkiv04 29 May 2020 13: 17 New
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    The fact that Rogozin was unsuitable for anything was immediately clear, but the question remained, why did the Kremlin tolerate this underdeveloped
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      The entire Roskosmos is not suitable for anything, having 500 parasites in control and 240000 staff of the entire space industry, more than half of these enterprises exist solely at the expense of the budget, while they themselves do not create or develop anything for the civilian market. In this situation, there is no need to talk about any development of the space industry and the accelerated pace of work - since there is no incentive for this development.
  • acetophenon 29 May 2020 15: 22 New
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    And Roskosmos will lose its millions of dollars ...
    And how many of them, these millions? 100? 200? And the budget of Roscosmos
    The budget of the state corporation Roscosmos in the open part (excluding the defense order - approx. TASS) for 2020 is 176 billion rubles
    .
    1. Brancodd 29 May 2020 23: 21 New
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      The cost of space in the United States, why only NASA expenses are always indicated. But this is only 40% of the US budget for space.
      In 2017, NASA expenditures amounted to $ 18,1 billion. Total US budget expenditures amounted to $ 47,5 billion. That is 13 times more than Russia’s expenses.
      EKA European Space Agency has a budget 4 times the budget of Roscosmos.
      At the same time, in 2019, EKA completed 9 launches, including 1 emergency. Roskosmos has -25 (all trouble-free). The United States - 21. China - 34 (2 emergency). Such is the efficiency in comparison.
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        It’s cruel .... People here sincerely suffer for the Russian girl (often from emigration or light trophs), scourge the Krzlopopivts Rogozin, praise Svetochka and the hope of all people with good faces Mask .... And you are their sickle in the form of numbers ... ...
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          I admit, I'm a quilted jacket ...
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          And by the way, here are a couple of Mask quotes:
          “Russia has excellent rocket technology and the best engine available. The reusable version of their new Angara rocket would be excellent. ”
          About SLS - “Creating SLS -“ 100% Tragedy for the Industry ”

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  • seacap 29 May 2020 15: 36 New
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    Firstly, for some time now, the main measure of everything and everything has become exclusively loot. The leadership of the industries and the country got a gray mediocrity in the intellectual sense, who turned out to be at the helm by chance and through family ties, and almost all of them, to put it mildly, possess not the best human qualities. And, most importantly, they receive positions not at the expense of their professionalism and talent, but by lack of respect and on the basis of ostentatious and loyal devotion to the leader and his line. Therefore, it turns out that suddenly someone decided, contrary to all logic, a person with a journalist’s diploma can successfully replace Korolev, former Komsomol and party workers to lead entire industries, become metallurgists, oil workers, etc. Most of them have enough talents yachts, villas and women, in a fanatical desire to please overseas bosses, so that there, not burdened with any moral qualities, they can sit “in the hallway”, collecting scraps from their table. Selling his country and his people wholesale and retail in whole industries, so that they would favorably pat on the cheek overseas and allow him to fall to the shoe, for the sake of this they betrayed and killed the state. What kind of missiles, the An-2 "maize" we can’t replace, the Soviet ready-made developments didn’t bring to mind over 30 years, there’s not even one liner in the sky. It is ridiculous to speak and even discuss after such great achievements about the “competition” of a whole industry of a once powerful aerospace power with a private overseas firm, while destroying the remnants of its engineering school and squeezing the remnants of engineering potential towards its competitor. Conversation and discussion, as it seems to me, is about nothing, this is not a problem of the industry, but a more global one and on a different plane, as now, we can’t see any luck, it’s degradation and slow dying.
  • seacap 29 May 2020 15: 44 New
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    That's where you need to invest in the roads, and not in all sorts of fantasies.

    Once we were told that genetics and cybernetics were intrigues of imperialism, they were sent to the camps, by the way, not by the "bloody dictator", he encouraged this business, and the icon of "our" liberals, not to be confused with liberals, a lover of corn, by the way The mobile phone and the Internet also come from our country, there was also no urgent need then, and now we are buying from those countries that then went barefoot and went hungry.
    1. Servisinzhener 29 May 2020 16: 58 New
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      Do not penetrate. If they get something right now and right now then this is a worthwhile lesson. And everything else is a fantasy. They do not need space. With all these ships, the Moon and Mars. As it used to be with the use of steam engines. Unnecessary territories of California, Alaska, Hawaii, Kuwait.
      Yes, now there’s nothing to get and carry the Moon’s stand, and if it would be, it would be outrageous. And a section of the surface can be staked looking through a telescope. But a couple of decades can pass and find what to carry with profit. And we will be with the Soyuz ship, the rocket of the same name and a telescope. Then all these beautiful words about international cooperation will be replaced by: Do you have a rocket and a ship? Such here means. At the NOU can only fly. And there is a telescope with which you staked something there. Well, in general, you can stake out this telescope ... And we will figure it out with the Moon.
  • Servisinzhener 29 May 2020 16: 27 New
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    I very rarely agree with the author, but this is exactly that rare case. In Roscosmos, there’s some sort of “Brownian motion” without a rudder and sails.
    Over the years, the “Angara” was developed to replace the entire “menagerie” of carriers. And in the year 18, it turned out that it was necessary to develop the Soyuz-5, the exact same family of launch vehicles as the Angara. But devoid of the fatal, fatal flaw of the Angara rocket, which is the development of this rocket in the GKNPC them. M.V. Khrunicheva. The same with Buran-2 (most likely Clipper-2) and Orlederation. And if the USSR could draw such tricks here, the story with T-64/72/80 is a good example of this. That in modern Russian conditions, this will lead to the fact that the output will be 0.
    And the head of such an organization as Roscosmos, when they come to him with a new project, the result of which will be exactly the same as that of a nearly completed project of another developer. I must be able to say that your design engineer will fly only to the archive. No matter how eyes were burning and whatever fiery speeches this person would make. Because the harm from such a struggle of ideas is no less than from theft.
    And if such a mess is happening, it means that the situation there is like that. Who first ran to the ear and better on it "rode" that and "slippers." And the leader does not have his own idea of ​​where all this corporation which he runs should move. And his approach is: "Well, you've been doing this here for a long time. In general, do what you usually do."
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      This is everywhere with us. What is the aviation industry, what is shipbuilding, what is tank building. It's just that these are industries where the product is visible and understandable to the general public. And space is the most obvious of them.
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      In principle, I agree with what has been said. Given the meager space program funding. But still, it seems to me that the current program looks realistic. She has not changed since the beginning of 2019. Dates are indicated. And in the Angara and the Union5 and the second stage of the Eastern and Orel. We will see...
  • seacap 29 May 2020 17: 39 New
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    That in modern Russian conditions, this will lead to the output being 0.

    They, by tacit consent and encouragement, have no goal to create something, the task is different, to come up with something global and beautifully sounding, to knock out budget funds to the maximum and successfully “master” them quickly. All the same, complete irresponsibility and permissiveness, no matter what the outcome, and whether it is at all, also does not interest anyone, the loot has already been mastered and shared, and the spouses and kept women of all stripes with their beloved children will capitalize them, fooling themselves from the uncontrolled flow of dough. The red-haired “honored adventurer and Russian schemer” has been successfully cutting budget money commensurate with the budget of a small country with a zero result for so many years, and at least for the sake of decency, even without hiding, at least showed a light bulb from the nearest household goods store. He and the former Prime Minister, a fan of iPhones, even created an “office” for this, and why not “frolic” if possible, there will be nothing early for this.
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    Oh yes .. prices .. there is a serious assumption that the announced prices of the Mask are not the whole amount that the customer pays. And since the customer is mainly NASA, which supports SpaceX through its laying companies and other district routes, we get nifiga no cheaper than Roscosmos.

    Are you seriously ? Where is the assumption? Rare rarity, turn on imagination ...
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      Well, the full actual cost of Falcons is not known. Musk's support from NASA and its ignore Pentagon are obvious. Again, the difference in launch price with other American offices is large. Everything is muddy ...
      1. Slippery 30 May 2020 14: 32 New
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        They have a scandal with Boeing, sawing s))) the tops of NASA were fired to resign. The feeling that Max broke the system. That stir up to save the reputation))) This is my personal opinion.
  • Bersaglieri 29 May 2020 22: 08 New
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    Rogozin family - a curse for the military-industrial complex
  • Brancodd 29 May 2020 23: 17 New
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    What a howl at the moon. Bile and hysterical sobs.
    Let's do it without teenage retelling.
    Everyone can personally get acquainted with Rogozin’s interview, without intermediaries.
    https://yandex.ru/video/preview/?filmId=2647574582735840923&text=%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8C%D0%B5%D0%B2%20Live%20%D0%A0%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%BD&path=wizard&parent-reqid=1590745771146921-658379904824248682800300-production-app-host-man-web-yp-108&redircnt=1590745800.1
    1. Brancodd 29 May 2020 23: 34 New
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      Interview Rogozin
      https://yandex.ru/video/preview/?filmId=2647574582735840923&text=%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8C%D0%B5%D0%B2%20Live%20%D0%A0%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%BD&path=wizard&parent-reqid=1590745771146921-658379904824248682800300-production-app-host-man-web-yp-108&redircnt=1590745800.1
  • Knell wardenheart 30 May 2020 01: 59 New
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    Well written. And at the same time sad ..
    I think that a stool is wobbling under the HORN, and clouds are gathering over his head. This is clearly visible by the way he has changed outwardly - the impression is that a person consumes and seizes, and his rhetoric is increasingly some kind of ura-panic, and a general chilly vacuum is felt around the representation of the activity of the ROG in the media. At some point, he himself may become a very successful whipping boy or a scapegoat - all the more so since the investigations about the "space cuts" have already been removed. All that is needed is a team to dump sandbags - and if this can raise the power rating at the right time, there is no doubt that this can happen.

    As for Buran 2.0, etc. - I would beware of a serious analysis of the ROG’s rhetoric. Now our budget is just starting to tighten our belts, oil is not in good shape, the military is planning new toys such as PAK DA, the fleet is looking with hungry eyes (with and without an aircraft carrier), in Syria we are going to expand our base, we will have to somehow extinguish hellish unemployment and inflate agitation -> so all this will cool the deadlines for the Federation / New "Union", super-heavy projects, etc. This is despite the fact that we still have Vostochny, the transfer of rocket science to Omsk, sags on updating GLONAS, and so on. All this will require money - and big ones, so the Buranas and orbital stations are all nothing more than wet dreams.

    One of the main problems of our space is that it is not flexible, and not flexible because it is in a very tight connection with military and military interests as well. This problem is very clearly visible against the background of Mask’s activities, which, as a “private trader,” are not held in their breasts with secrecy and uniform loading of enterprises, and some abstract plans do not hang over him with a Domocles sword from the advancing state bureaucracy. As well as the need to fight with her pieces of paper and the ability to steal through these pieces of paper. Thus, in a spike with state and military interests, our cosmos objectively does not need the Moon, and even more so since it’s useless for the military, for the state it’s a “paper hell" in which, from the point of view of the bureaucrat, any investments can be buried.

    Korolev or Glushko would not have saved the matter) A strong economy is needed here and not a crushing of raw material monopolists in a bearish corner.
    1. Brancodd 30 May 2020 11: 33 New
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      Rather, the year was relatively successful. Relative to the previous ones.
      So the thing is different. 24 year is coming. We must take control of all key positions, including Roscosmos. Rogozin for a significant part of the elite is not just a stranger, but a principal antagonist. It must be stripped with a wolf ticket. Remember Medvedev’s hysteria in June, when he literally broke into a screech demanding to plow, not to chat. Of course, he shouted at Rogozin. It is very funny to hear the demand to stop chatting from Medvedev .. It’s quite difficult for them to sew corruption to Rogozin. By the standards of officials of this level, he lives quite modestly. This is not difficult to verify. It remains to ascribe to him the failures of the industry, but these failures still need to be found and associated personally with Rogozin
      Roscosmos funding was cut exactly 2 times by the government in 2016.
      Mamut and his media resources are engaged in a targeted program to discredit Roscosmos, in particular Rogozin personally. Rambler and Lenta.ru, as a rule, begin. The rest pick up.
      In fact, signs of an improvement in the situation in Roscosmos began to appear even about a year before Rogozin arrived in Roscosmos. Over the past 2 years, the situation has gradually begun to improve. Rogozin was a good organizer. In my opinion, the new program is quite realistic and quite feasible with good governance, even taking into account the scarce resources allocated by the government. After 2 -3 years, this can give a result. Therefore, you need to remove it now. An approximate scheme was used during Putin’s hesitation - to appoint or not to appoint Glazyev as the head of the Central Bank. The most powerful information attack - and here is Nabiullina.
      1. Knell wardenheart 30 May 2020 12: 25 New
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        And it would be possible to agree with you and even say that the theft on Vostochny and the investigation of the property of the Rog is a lie and a provocation - however, in addition to all this, we have various (very dubious health) statements made by Rogozin himself, in which he is an expert frankly speaking, it’s not the healthiest industry with not the greatest number of successes felt, it doesn’t speak in the most professional way about foreign cosmonautics (the successes and dynamics of which are, to put it mildly, incomparable with ours, that it’s commercial, that research), this is endless projection and hat-making - that’s it no one pulls on the tongue. After all, this is usually not taken out of context, these are not tricky questions of corrupt journalists - he himself climbs ahead of a steam locomotive, which, moreover, has lagged behind its rhetoric for a long time, and is not gaining momentum.

        As soon as we are talking about him as a leader, then specifically the leadership is not visible. Promises and demagogy are visible that do not correspond to the scale and state of activity. This is the main complaint against him. However, given his successes at the post at Russia-NATO, I suspect that it is epic to rumble and deploy aircraft is, in principle, his signature technique in any incomprehensible situation, and the simply-successful-strategy is definitely not at the right place.
        1. Brancodd 30 May 2020 15: 21 New
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          The plane was deployed by Primakov and not Rogozin.
          Any allegations must be supported by facts. And like it, don't like it to another topic ...
          I believe that there is a realistic strategy, it is being implemented. You think "everything is lost."
          We'll see ...
          1. Knell wardenheart 30 May 2020 16: 29 New
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            What is this strategy about? Is it to prevent the puddle from finally drying up, to maintain in a state of "rather alive than dead" defense industry enterprises tied to space and sharashka where the Soviet approach to the creation of a spacecraft is still being used slowly and for a penny?
            25 years ago, together with the USA, we had good money from space activities - a stable and fat inflow of $$$. At the same time, having money and prospects for a gesheft in the future, we launched the creation of the Angara. After 10 years, some kind of Elon Musk launched the creation of Falcon 9 - relying mostly on the development of his office and not having a stable fat income from the operation of the Proton Unions and gratuitous developments inherited from the USSR. As a result, “Angara” for 2020 successfully flew 1 time (in a difficult version), and Falcon9 of the corresponding mass of cargo casting - 82.

            Tell me how to make it even more intelligible that everything is worthless? Having a deshman and developed carrier, having a large% in international launches, developed infrastructure, personnel, technology, deshman labor and scientists who worked hard for the entire 90s literally for food - we were in such a hurry that we simply and calmly surrendered our commercial space to a private sharashina office, starting in comparison with us literally from 0. You know, this is a disaster!
            But I didn’t even list how our plans for space activities moved in the 2010s. How plans for the Moon moved, then for 3 years, then for 5, then for 10. I did not mention all these endless projections such as “Clipper”, “Baikal”, this endlessly stretching webbing with the “Science” module, two completely zero attempts to send the spacecraft to Mars, etc.

            Optimism is certainly good - but specifically there are NO reasons for it. They are simply NOT. Our space from the advanced and profitable - has turned into some kind of game - Japan, India, China, private traders - has already bypassed us in many ways. What is positive or alluding to positive in this picture soon?
            1. Brancodd 30 May 2020 16: 42 New
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              This "game" is called the Federal Space Program 2016-2025. Let me remind you that until 2016 there was no Roskosmos. There was a federal space agency that was not responsible for anything but coordinated the activities of disparate space industry enterprises.
              To have a meaningful discussion, I recommend that you familiarize yourself with its content. And for example, compare with Indian, Japanese or European. Compare budgets and compare results by years of implementation - by launches, replenishment of the group, night studies, manned program.
              https://www.roscosmos.ru/22347/
              1. Knell wardenheart 30 May 2020 17: 00 New
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                Dear, it is incorrect to lead the discussion in a letter. As it was called, it doesn’t matter - the fact is that it had good money from the launches, so good that now occupying only a part of our niche space programs of India or private firms such as SpaceX are occupying - in general, we squeezed out for now only commercial launches satellites.
                And we were a little type?)
                You see, budgets are certainly good, but at the time of the collapse of the USSR, we had a whole galaxy of waste products that recaptured their design value — manufactured at enterprises that recaptured the cost of equipment to create these products. Our specialists received an order of magnitude less than their colleagues over the hill — from designers to workers. At the price of metals and fuel for spacecraft - we also had a significant advantage, because we were the manufacturer of this as well. In other words, I want to convey to you that we ALREADY had everything to extract huge net profit, even a part of which, in conditions not even of TOP management, would allow along with orders from the state and the military (and they were even in the most lean years of the 90s ) not only to keep the industry afloat, but also to have an income that is super sufficient for development and competition.

                If private sector started to start in the industry, it was definitely profitable, here, we missed this profitability, lost our advantages. How can we talk about our ability to plan successfully in the future if this process continues?
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                  How can we talk about our ability to plan successfully in the future if this process continues?

                  This is possible, because until 2015 no one was planning. Moreover, most of the participants in the process were satisfied with this.
                  I agree that the groundwork from the USSR was strong. But the temptation to take this backlog was strong. What they used. For private purposes. As well, most of the other assets in other sectors created by other generations are used. Of course, the proceeds from the transfer of commercial cargo into orbit were not used for development. They were not going to invest in development. Why on earth? In practice, both Khrunicheva and Energy were in fact privatized by management. Feudal destinies with their goals. The creation of Roscosmos is an attempt to turn the tide. Will it work or not, we'll see. But for the past year and 8 months without accidents - 35 launches. This is a record for all post-Soviet time.
                  As for India, Japan, etc. I only welcome the emergence of new members and have never gloated from accidents and other failures. By the way, both the Indian and South Korean programs are based on our developments, our consultations and, to a large extent, our technologies.
                  By the way, Musk spoke very well about the Hangar and the Zenith, which is practically the basis of Soyuz5
  • Whirlwind 30 May 2020 05: 54 New
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    Mr. Skomorokhov, when he seems to be baptized, he will begin to double ...
  • viktor_ui 30 May 2020 06: 29 New
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    A sad article ... but correct and nothing good is expected in this industry - there are no prerequisites in terms of creating truly NEW technology + NEW technologies. Lawyers and journalists and the like are simply not able to create and develop NEW technological chains, to put together a team of professionals in their field, to think for the future, etc. - they simply don’t have in their heads the necessary deep knowledge on the topic where they were put, or they have this knowledge at the highest level. All of their optimizations and innovations come down to a banal reduction in staff and their turnover, which ALWAYS leads to the washing out of truly a professional in their field. They are not able to bring the ORDER ... Yes, they do not need it, because when the mess and squabbles - it’s very convenient and relatively safe to loot.
    Roman - AN EXCELLENT REVIEW drinks
  • Grading 30 May 2020 06: 57 New
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    Roscosmos ALREADY delivers astronauts into orbit.
    Oh well. There is one. What else?
    Can you name a lot of projects comparable to the AMS and Lunokhod since the USSR?

  • Zakonnik 30 May 2020 07: 12 New
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    Of course you need to change, Rogozin!
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    the propagandists have a holiday! america with great fanfare repeated her own achievement, which was a routine in the 70s of the 20th century ... they built “their” “union” but with blackjack and ... well, you understand;)
    the truth has not yet been repeated ... but definitely a skiff! all the polymers caved in ... only sawn off and build unnecessary spaceports ...
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    Cool .... Everything is bad because we have only one promise and nothing ... The United States is fine (do not care that they can’t fly into space for almost 10 years) because they promise 10 years, but nothing is real either, but they will surely succeed .... just about.
    Let's wait until at least the first, and then the 10th, successful CruDragon flight with live amtronauts, and Trump promised our Moon in 24 .... We’ll cry then ... Although how successful KG flights will interfere with successful Alliance flights I will make
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      So it’s already clear that Musk made another fake! One chatter. Have you seen the photos of these American astronauts? In jackets, rubber boots and dumb helmets on their heads. By the way, the launch was postponed for today. Already hopefully launched?
  • Miron 30 May 2020 10: 57 New
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    In general, we can do a lot of things.
    In words. As will be the case, this is still more difficult. Rogozin has problems with the implementation in general.
    ***
    We, excuse me, who. Rogozin is not a deputy chairman of the Central Committee; he is dependent on state grubs.
    His task is to control people like you so that they do not shake their tongues too quickly.
    And those to whom the treasury pays to make those very Federations. This is not Rogozin. This is a lot of private firms, allies.
    They are paid regularly, Rogozin works well, and they, that is, you, fulfill the contract in half of the cases, and in half rob the state.
    With such articles covering thieves and demanding from the state treasury to build ruble packs with a ladder to the moon so that it would be more convenient for you to drive a Mercedes, there will be no business.
  • Hagen 30 May 2020 11: 49 New
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    Lozino-Lozinsky, Glushko, Mikoyan, Schulz ... Sorry, but they will not repeat anything.

    Maybe the author will be able to say why the current designers are worse than those who, by virtue of their age, are already ....? I’ll ask easier: with which of the currently constructing authors I personally know and interviewed? When was the last time I visited the enterprises of the industry that is being watered today ...? "Stitching" the article, without leaving the office, to the spite of the day for money ... is there a great feat? Maybe it's time to start doing classical journalism?