Special immunity? The United States does not believe in low mortality from COVID-19 in Russia


They say something is missing



The first to sound the alarm about Russian "statistical insidiousness" in the New York Times and the Financial Times. It was stated that in Russia mortality from coronavirus was underestimated by at least 70% in an attempt to justify the inefficiency of its own medicine. A rather tough reaction followed with demands for confirmation by facts from both the Russian Foreign Ministry and parliamentarians, but there was no intelligible comment from the Americans. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs even had the idea of ​​depriving some American media representatives of their accreditation (they have postponed this issue for now).

At the same time, the World Health Organization expressed its unequivocal position: in Russia, there were no cases of juggling the facts of the victims of COVID-19. But the United States does not particularly trust WHO now and decided to allocate a targeted grant of $ 250 thousand to finance the investigation, which would explicitly accuse the Russian authorities of underestimating the true scale of mortality. The fact is that Americans record a mortality rate of about 6%, while they are world leaders both in the number of dead and infected. And Russia is now in third place among those infected (Brazil has recently been missed ahead), and mortality from coronavirus there is a little over one percent. On average, in the Russian Federation they die from COVID-19 7,6 times less than in the world. Either there is something wrong with the diagnosis of the causes of death in the United States, or Russia is clearly underestimating the statistics. There is also a third explanation: the American health care system is chronically unable to cope with the epidemic, many die from the lack of necessary medical care.


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But it is much more effective to choose in this situation the option with Russia deceiving everyone. The world community is already accustomed to the stereotype of Russian “deceit” - just remember the Skripals case, doping scandals and so on. It is surprising why Italians with the British with a similar claim do not appeal to the Americans? Nevertheless, almost 14% mortality from COVID-19 is recorded in their countries, that is, every 7 infected people die! Perhaps in the USA their 6% were also artificially “twisted”? You can still advise Americans not to confine themselves to Russia alone and allocate money for an appropriate grant to expose Israel. The country also has a suspiciously low mortality rate - only 1,6%, and the number of infected has not even reached 20 thousand people (data as of May 28).

In this stories the small grant amount for such a serious project is surprising - only 250 thousand dollars. Americans either initially do not believe in the success of their own endeavors, or are seriously limited in resources. And it’s not entirely clear what concrete evidence the State Department needs: certain “black” medical protocols that record the “true” mortality rate, or the exhumation of the dead with a coronavirus sample? It seems that in the very near future the grant money will still be used by someone, and you and I will see on the screen the revelations of the “witnesses” of the mass concealment of the true scale of the epidemic in Russia. Or not in the near future, but after a couple of years, when there will be another reason to stab Russia in the international arena.

If we ignore the indignation of the Americans regarding the “tenacious” Russians, the question remains: why do we have such a low mortality rate from COVID-19 relative to other countries? And the answer to it is not as obvious as it seems.

Russian immunity?


Of course, there can be no question of any specific immunity of Russians to coronavirus - infections, by and large, no matter who is attacked from the species Homo sapiens. The low mortality from COVID-19 in Russia has a whole bunch of complex reasons. One of them can be considered relatively low mobility of the elderly population of the country - pensioners simply do not have the means to lead an active lifestyle, and they are the main risk group. In addition, the highest urbanization does not play in favor of Russia (74,4% - 60th place in the world), while the United States ranks 35th in the world ranking with 82,3%. The large crowding of the urban population in the United States has become one of the reasons for this widespread infection. In Russia, with the proper level of preventive measures, many towns are affected by coronavirus no more than seasonal flu. Just because we have a relatively settled lifestyle, without leaving our settlements for years. For example: at the very beginning of the epidemic in the USA, it was enough to look at the maps of the Flightradar online service to understand that the Americans are constantly traveling around the country. From the most provincial town of the United States (in Russia it would be considered a village), you can fly almost to the other end of the country. And such migration has played an evil role, not only for Americans. In Italy, as the virus spread, certain provinces were quarantined. What did the Italians do? They simply left for neighboring regions, settled in hotels, rented apartments, and thereby expanded the distribution area of ​​the virus. For us, firstly, this would hardly have been possible, and secondly, a high-readiness regime was introduced simultaneously throughout the country.

By the way, in support of this theory, the following can be cited: in many regions of Russia, infected shift workers returning home from work have become a real disaster. They are massively monitored, sent for quarantine, then for re-interchange - in general, they can be controlled. Such labor migrations in Western countries are developed to a much greater extent, which has become one of the reasons for this lightning-fast spread of infection.

Now, perhaps, about the most important thing in the dispute with the Americans. Russia is now in second place in the world in the number of tests performed on COVID-19 - on May 26, nearly 9,5 million! For 1000 people, we have an average of 64,52 tests. In the United States, tests made just over 15,1 million, but for 1 thousand Americans only 45,82 tests. The national health care strategy turned out to be correct - to test as many people as possible so that mortality in the end is minimal. For example: in Iceland, “specific” testing for COVID-19 is a record 174,57 samples per 1 people. And the mortality rate is only 0,55%! Someone will say that this is an island state, remote from the world, but the dependence of mortality rates on the number of tests carried out exists without Icelandic data. It is enough to pick up a calculator, find a couple of hours of time and how to dig around the Internet. In any case, such a massive testing of the Russian population can say one thing: the problem of a pandemic in our country was approached with high professionalism and attention to the people. And 250 thousand. US grant can not do here.

Special immunity? The United States does not believe in low mortality from COVID-19 in Russia
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Finally, another important factor in this difference in mortality in the coronavirus in the Russia-USA system is the confusion in determining the cause of death. A huge drawback of all the statistics that we now get from the media is the lack of benchmarks in the past. If in Spain, for example, from March 30 to May 28, 2020, 27117 people died from coronavirus, then it is interesting to know how many died from pneumonia and flu last year over the same period. I am sure that the number of deaths will be not much less, or even more. Everything is relative. In Russia, it’s just right to talk about the “healing” effect of COVID-19 for the population - in general, fewer people die. Now about the diagnosis. In Italy and Spain, such gigantic mortality rates arose not because the virus is very insidious, but because if the deceased was diagnosed with coronavirus in the blood, then he was automatically counted among those who died from COVID-19. Only on April 16, WHO issued a more or less intelligible instruction on the methodology for classifying a deceased person as a victim of COVID-19. Countries, firstly, before that, managed to accumulate their own large statistics of “approximate” conclusions, and, secondly, the methodology is very ambiguous and complicates the unambiguous determination of the cause of death. It should be noted separately that neither for ordinary flu, nor for deadly H2N3 there were no such instructions. And older people with serious heart, lung, and other chronic ailments died (and die) in hospitals from pneumonia and various forms of flu. But no one ever put the cause of death a viral infection - they always managed to exacerbate the underlying more serious disease. And now WHO, following the example of Italy and Spain, recommends putting the cause of death of COVID-19 in any deceased if this virus is detected in his blood. Of course, if the unfortunate is not a suicide or a victim of an accident.

In addition, even in Europe, doctors have different approaches to assessing mortality from coronavirus. So, in France mortality in nursing homes is taken into account, but in the UK it is not. How then to compare the data?

The result of the dispute between the US State Department and the Russian Ministry of Health may be the thesis that in our country, it seems, now they are closest to the assessment of true mortality from the notorious coronavirus. And if this is really about 1%, then what universal quarantine can we talk about?
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  1. LeftPers 29 May 2020 05: 25 New
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    I wonder who cares what the "hegemons of the world" believe or do not believe in.
    1. Vladimir_2U 29 May 2020 05: 40 New
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      Quote: LeftPers
      I wonder who cares what the "hegemons of the world" believe or do not believe in.

      Well, for example, the State Duma of the Russian Federation considers the American-English figures of the Holodomor to be true.
      1. Stas157 29 May 2020 06: 51 New
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        . if the coronavirus was diagnosed in the deceased in the blood, then he automatically counted among the dead from COVID-19

        And this is right, because they die not from the coronavirus, but from the consequences. Such as flu and pneumonia. Why is this not so in Russia - this is a big question! To statistics, including.
        1. Pike 29 May 2020 07: 19 New
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          Yes, a person lived and would live on with his sores, but since the virus caused an exacerbation, then it is his fault. And not the aggravation itself.
          It's like a manipulation: “bang” instead of exploding, “hard landing” instead of falling or crashing ...
          1. kjhg 29 May 2020 08: 19 New
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            Quote: Pike
            It's like a manipulation: “bang” instead of exploding, “hard landing” instead of falling or crashing ...

            The main reason for the low mortality from coronavirus in Russia is that the official statistics on mortality are kept by the same people as in the elections. Therefore, absolutely any numbers can draw. They are not fools, after all, to give a real picture of the epidemic. They need another victory. Why, I think, no need to explain. And if it is impossible to achieve, then you need to come up with. Non-state structures paint a completely different picture. She looks more realistic and closer to the data of other countries. Take for example, take the mortality of doctors from this virus. Why doctors? Because they are just at risk; secondly, the number of their deaths is not so great and they can really be verified. So, the Ministry of Health tells us about 101 to the doctor. But the fact that this figure is false has already been proven by many independent investigations. According to the doctors themselves, on May 11 there were 160 people, and according to the doctors alliance - 303. The total number of coronavirus victims in Russia was 3800 person. And in Italy at 152 doctors who died from coronavirus, the total number of victims - 27000. The difference is striking, isn't it? Then the question arises, can our magic medicine save only ordinary citizens from death, but cannot doctors? Brad, isn't it? Another explanation is much more logical. By decision of the President of Russia, each doctor will be paid 68,8 thousand rubles for temporary disability, families of victims of COVID-19 will receive 2,7 million rubles each. This is where the very reason for the underestimation of the disease and the death of doctors from the virus is buried.
            1. EvilLion 29 May 2020 08: 45 New
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              Nothing that the Internet does not record any mortality at all, that is, people do not encounter it in the mass? As for doctors, they can get sick like ordinary people, so it’s not clear what you want to compare. In the meantime, you remind Solzhenitsyn who planted everyone in a row, but the whole country knew nothing about it.
              1. New Year day 29 May 2020 10: 26 New
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                Quote: EvilLion
                As for doctors, they can get sick like ordinary people, so it’s not clear what you want to compare.

                those. Do you want to show that a doctor working in the outbreak has the same chance of contracting infection as in a store? Do you have stores that are all contagious? laughing
                The comparison is simple: the number of sick citizens and the number of deaths of doctors with rendering help them!
                1. EvilLion 29 May 2020 11: 49 New
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                  In order to discuss something, you need to at least establish a unified methodology for calculating, but for now, from all that you wrote, you can’t draw any conclusions about the doctors who died, those who are involved in the treatment, or even everything, including dentists, gynecologists, and even which -Never be a 55-year-old surgeon with several thousand heart operations on the account, who was kept from all this for a cannon shot, and he became infected at a party.
                  1. New Year day 29 May 2020 15: 40 New
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                    Quote: EvilLion
                    for the doctors died, those involved in the treatment, or in general everything, including dentists, gynecologists and even some 55-year-old surgeon with several thousand heart operations on the account, who was kept from all this for a cannon shot, and he got infected in away.

                    you absolutely do not know the question! Under federal co-hospitals, 12 federal medical institutions were involved. Perhaps you will be funny, but the proctologists of the Research Institute of Proctology named after Redheads were also treated with coronavirus laughing
                    Quote: EvilLion
                    establish a unified calculation methodology

                    need DESIRE!
                    1. EvilLion 29 May 2020 15: 54 New
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                      I wish you have a million. Euro.
                      1. New Year day 29 May 2020 16: 23 New
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                        Quote: EvilLion
                        I wish you have a million. Euro.

                        laughing
                  2. riwas 30 May 2020 03: 38 New
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                    In order to discuss something, you must at least establish a unified method of counting

                    Of course. And such a technique has recently appeared.
                    https://static-1.rosminzdrav.ru/system/attachments/attaches/000/050/527/original/27052020_MR_STAT_1.pdf

                    And then really not everyone was taken into account.
                    On May 8, 81-year-old Alexei Evseev, a doctor of physical and mathematical sciences, a leading researcher at the Institute of Thermophysics, died at the hospital. However, the famous scientist did not get into the official reports published daily by the operating center in Novosibirsk.
                    Earlier, the operation center did not include Pavel Burkov, the deceased 53-year-old musician of the Novosibirsk Opera and Ballet Theater, in the list of coronavirus victims.
                    https://ngs.ru/more/69264850/
                2. sleeve 29 May 2020 14: 15 New
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                  Where are the roots of these "arithmetic"? I now understand how I am counted at work. Go also in the same way and compare with Italy. Why is it necessary to be shitty? Why do you think that there is a need in the country to deceive you? That this untruth will be more effective than the truth? Tens of thousands of dead would have quarantined people for fines. And there would be less smut. Thus the notorious "them." And in the end, all the people here are reasonable and adequate. Let's gradually move from "we are lying" to "Ivanov, Petrov, Sidorov are lying to us." And then something like that is global.
                3. riwas 30 May 2020 06: 52 New
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                  those. Do you want to show that a doctor working in the outbreak has the same chance of contracting infection as in a store?

                  There are a number of factors. Our protective suits do not "breathe" and create inside, around the person, a humid environment in which viruses feel great. By internationally accepted standards, one doctor in a hospital should work for 100 patients. All unskilled work must be performed by nurses. In Russia, the structure is different - with us the doctor enters the infectious diseases department, and sits for hours in this room, in a plastic robe.
                  https://svpressa.ru/society/article/266605/
              2. Beringovsky 29 May 2020 10: 58 New
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                Well, lying so brazenly is not necessary. The Internet is with him, you see, does not fix ....
                Yes, in social networks, the sea of ​​such information from doctors and ordinary people.
                1. EvilLion 29 May 2020 11: 45 New
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                  What kind of information? Do tens of thousands of people write that someone has died?
                  1. Beringovsky 29 May 2020 13: 46 New
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                    Rukalitso ... prigozhinets in all its glory ...
                    People write about the mess and window dress, blooming with might and main in their native expanses.
                    About stupidity, incapacity and often just the inadequacy of the authorities, about constant lies, etc.
                    And yes, including the fact that someone died.
                    1. EvilLion 29 May 2020 15: 59 New
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                      As practice shows, the authorities are nevertheless more adequate than the population, which, due to the lack of knowledge and experience in managerial work (10-20 people are not considered), sees a mess everywhere, although it creates it itself.

                      Once again, in Russia the Internet is almost universal, show me that tens of thousands of people write that they have someone died from sudden pneumonia, and they wrote to him ARVI. On the contrary, when the detected media is isolated and immediately checked all those in contact, sending a bunch of people to quarantine, this is in my personal environment. As well as one infected, who is fully diagnosed. At the same time, the family, apparently, is also infected, but only one developed pneumonia.
              3. AU Ivanov. 29 May 2020 11: 23 New
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                Doctors in the area of ​​occupational risk and the chance of contracting them are much higher than non-doctors. Like a firefighter, the possibility of dying in a fire is higher than that of an ordinary citizen. And the pilot has a greater chance of getting into a plane crash than a passenger flying only occasionally.
            2. Fedorovich 29 May 2020 08: 59 New
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              How do you plan to get your quarter of a million bucks? Silver dollars at the embassy?
            3. your1970 29 May 2020 09: 21 New
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              WHO also hopes to snatch a piece from payments to dead doctors ????? fool fool
              They wrote to you in Russian, "WHO recognizes our results as reliable" !!!! ... Not the Ministry of Health / Putin / Rosstat "painted type numbers" - a WHO that is not under our control !!!
              1. kjhg 29 May 2020 09: 47 New
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                Quote: your1970
                WHO also hopes to snatch a piece from payments to dead doctors ????? fool

                You'd better knock yourself on the head like that for a start, since you don’t want to understand the principle of work of WHO.
                Quote: your1970
                They wrote to you in Russian- "WHO recognizes our results as reliable" !!!!

                I’ll tell you the great open secret, WHO recognizes the official data on the number of deaths from the crown in the USA, China, Belarus, Russia, Italy, and WHO recognizes the official data that there are no infections in Turkmenistan and North Korea COVID-19 fellow. And this looks especially cynical despite the fact that WHO is aware of the existence of reservations - field hospitals in areas remote from residential areas. So, looking at the last 2 countries, Russia still has enormous potential, and WHO will confirm this, no doubt, it has already been proved yes
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                2. EvilLion 29 May 2020 11: 50 New
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                  If the Turkmen told WHO that they had no patients, then WHO would not do anything to them.
                3. your1970 29 May 2020 12: 22 New
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                  I don’t care less about the principles of work and WHO’s calculation technology. It’s much more important for me that WHO confirms our data for other countries ... this is an argument of foreign policy, not medicine
                  1. kjhg 29 May 2020 12: 51 New
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                    Quote: your1970
                    I don’t care less about the principles of work and WHO’s calculation technology. It’s much more important for me that WHO confirms our data.

                    Then you immediately needed to write that you were not interested in the REAL numbers of those who died from the virus, but just need confirmation from WHO in order to create a beautiful picture, that's all. In this case, there’s nothing to argue with you about.
                    1. your1970 29 May 2020 13: 56 New
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                      I'm not interested in the type of "real" numbers because NO ONE can’t say, he died from the fact that Kovid was complicated by a stroke or from a stroke because he caused a complication of KOVID ....

                      To begin with, it’s quite enough for me that WHO recognized our calculation methodology reliable.Not we ourselves- an external international body having a certain weight and reputation. Referring to which we can negotiate with the rest of the world

                      Z.Y. beat your head further against the wall with a cry - "they killed and hid in the Gulag .... Oh no, in
                      Quote: kjhg
                      reservations - field hospitals in areas remote from residential areas.
                      "
              2. New Year day 29 May 2020 10: 34 New
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                Quote: your1970
                "WHO finds our results reliable"

                And now WHO, following the example of Italy and Spain, recommends setting the cause of death COVID-19 in any deceased if this virus is detected in his blood.

                и
                "The Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation approved recommendations on determining the root cause of death in people with coronavirus."
                The presence of the proven presence of the virus in the absence of complaints is not included in the statistics of morbidity and mortality.
                Do not find a contradiction?
                WHO proposes to include in the statistics all with the virus, but Russia not.
                So what will be the results in accordance with WHO requirements?
                1. EvilLion 29 May 2020 11: 53 New
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                  If a person asymptomatic transferred the virus, but was crushed by KAMAZ, then he probably did not die of the virus. Or he had a heart attack. The connection of the asymptomatic course and heart attack, if it even exists, still needs to be proved. And so we have a lot of people dying from a million causes every day, with a huge number of tests for the virus.
                  1. New Year day 29 May 2020 15: 42 New
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                    If a person asymptomatic transferred the virus, but was crushed by KAMAZ

                    do not exaggerate! Do you know the rules of diagnosis? What is the main diagnosis, competing, concomitant, background disease?
                    Do not teach the doctor to diagnose and you will be better laughing
                    1. EvilLion 29 May 2020 15: 53 New
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                      Well, show the connection between death and a positive result for the virus.
              3. NEXUS 29 May 2020 11: 33 New
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                Quote: your1970
                "WHO recognizes our results as reliable" !!!!

                Do you know why WHO recognized them reliable?
                Trump stopped payments to WHO, but we transferred $ 1 million there to search for a vaccine.
                If the United States poured money into WHO now, believe me, and our calculation would be exaggerated and "we are all time" ...
                1. your1970 29 May 2020 12: 25 New
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                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Trump stopped payments to WHO, but we transferred $ 1 million there to search for a vaccine

                  Мы Have bought WHO for $ 1 million ???
                  Maybe something else was bought for cheap ??? lol while everything is inexpensive ??
                  1. NEXUS 29 May 2020 12: 28 New
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                    Quote: your1970
                    We bought WHO for $ 1 million ???

                    Not bought, but paid the fee!
                  2. New Year day 29 May 2020 15: 44 New
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                    Quote: your1970
                    We bought WHO for $ 1 million ???

                    what China who bought is an established fact. But Russia prevented the UN investigation into WHO request
                    So WHO support is just a rollback
                    1. Tank hard 29 May 2020 20: 28 New
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                      Quote: Silvestr
                      what China who bought is an established fact.

                      Who, when, do not give a link to the document? wink
            4. Ka-52 29 May 2020 10: 05 New
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              kjhg (Voroshilov shooter) Today, 08:19
              official mortality statistics are kept by the same people as in the elections.

              here he is the main whistleblower laughing Panfilov is to blame for everything, she falsifies sick cards at night laughing Rodchenkov, running to the State Department for a grant!
            5. kjhg 29 May 2020 10: 13 New
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              here he is the main whistleblower of laughing Panfilov is to blame for everything, juggling sick patients cards at night

              Who needs to be in order to believe that it is Pamfilova who decides, to whom how many votes need to be assigned, and from whom to take away? You still say that you believe that it is she who decides who to allow before the election and who not? belay Hmm, Goebbels has long been dead, but his cause lives and thrives. Pamfilova is only a performer, a nut, a gear. Decisions are made in completely different rooms and by completely different people.
              1. Ka-52 29 May 2020 10: 23 New
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                Goebbels has long been dead, but his cause lives and thrives.

                what do you jump from one statement to another as an object of V.I. Lenin’s dictum in a letter to the Central Committee of the RSDLP? First you write:
                official mortality statistics lead the same people as in the elections

                according to the law, this is the Central Election Commission led by Ella Pavlovna.
                and in the following comments already jumped over those who order (according to your words) election results:
                Who needs to be in order to believe that Pamfilova decides, how many votes need to be attributed or selected? You still say that you believe that it is she who decides who to allow before the election and who not?

                so Mr. Parteigenoss, you already decide when you are lying, and when not. And then you have too these two actions are similar to each other
                1. Beringovsky 29 May 2020 11: 10 New
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                  Well yes, it is.
                  "Accountants" are given the task. They are doing. We have everything with elections and ratings. And not only everyone sees this. People laugh at this, but at least spit on the Kremlin boats in the eyes ... how absurd you are ...
                  Maht gute mine tsum meringue steeple, yeah ...
                  1. Ka-52 29 May 2020 11: 29 New
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                    And not only everyone sees this

                    only those who can watch tomorrow laughing it’s clear with you. How is everything in Ukraine, all the buzzing?
                    1. Beringovsky 29 May 2020 13: 50 New
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                      Sorry, Prigogine, I am not aware of Ukrainian realities. I have a counter-question - have you raised the rates for the comment?
                      The training manual, I see the mention of the outskirts, is it still the same? wassat
                      1. forester1971 29 May 2020 21: 09 New
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                        If someone is a Prigogine, then you are probably a State Department official?
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              avg 29 May 2020 11: 27 New
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              The main reason for the low mortality from coronavirus in Russia is that the official statistics on mortality are kept by the same people as in the elections. Therefore, absolutely any numbers can draw.

              To begin with, the Alliance of Doctors is just Anastasia Vasilieva, a personal ophthalmologist of Navalny. In the recent past, Vasilyeva, as she herself told in an interview, before she was taken under the wing of Navalny, worked as an assistant in the department of eye diseases and received 25 thousand rubles. Plus, by her own admission of "thanks from patients." Beautiful picture? Quite.
              Here are just the attentive activists from the “Bubble Fund with Corruption”, a parody of the Navalny FBK, unearthed that the young lady “quickly went uphill” and managed to buy a luxurious estate in an elite village in Istra district: two cottages on a half-hectare plot, a garage for several cars, terraces with a designer park, greenhouses and households. the buildings. Something from this Alliance is smacked by the Syrian Human Rights Laboratory.
              As for American ophthalmologists who love to search for specks from others, the learned chap. pathologist of Moscow. If there is a desire, look. I just highlight one moment from which the whole fuss fired. Americans found that
              the number of death certificates in Moscow is 1753 higher than the same indicator for April of past years and not all of them are recorded as victims of the coronovirus, but the fact is that the same figure for New York is about 4000 people. for London over 2000 people. but for some reason it doesn’t soar them.
              1. Titus_2 29 May 2020 15: 15 New
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                Sorry for the correction, but I think that if they broadcast news about death from the cove from everywhere ... they cause panic and so on, they plunge the population under stress and the result is obvious.
              2. Overlock 29 May 2020 19: 40 New
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                Quote: avg
                but the fact is that the same indicator for New York is about 4000 people. for London, more than 2000 people. but for some reason it doesn’t soar them.

                so they showed their mortality! Have you not seen mountains of corpses that are buried on the island at night?laughing
            7. Captain45 29 May 2020 12: 05 New
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              Quote: kjhg
              official mortality statistics are kept by the same people as in the elections. Therefore, absolutely any numbers can draw. They are not fools, after all, to give a real picture of the epidemic.

              Yes, yes, you are absolutely right !!!! I went out in the morning, and near the entrance 148 coffins and another 312 just lying in garbage bags on the lawn in the front garden !!! Horror, horror, everywhere they lie !!!! belay
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        3. gaudin 29 May 2020 13: 34 New
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          consequences. Such as flu
          There is a saying: Do not die from the flu, from its consequences.
          1. Overlock 29 May 2020 19: 41 New
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            Quote: gaudin
            There is a saying: Do not die from the flu, from its consequences.

            all diseases from nerves, one syphilis - from pleasure request
    2. Civil 29 May 2020 07: 31 New
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      To talk about our best medicine in the world. Never have Skvortsova and Golikova never lied and will never be. Russia has carried out the best medical reform in the world, life expectancy is growing.
      1. JonnyT 29 May 2020 08: 55 New
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        Our medicine is openly suffering.
        The reforms of the palace failed - all the money for modernization was stolen by embezzlers.
        According to Kovid, the doctors are already tired of writing and contacting the higher courts about the wrecking decisions of officials on the organization of anti-epidemiological measures: where is it seen that there is no separate hospital for patients with Covid? Physicians are being cut back .... so there is nothing encouraging about the work of scattered medicine.
        And for the low mortality from cove, one must thank the “bloody scoop” hated by the Russian authorities who massively vaccinated everyone and developed collective immunity among the population for the diseases on the basis of which the cove was designed
      2. New Year day 29 May 2020 10: 40 New
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        Russia has carried out the best medical reform in the world

        Do you want to say that Golikova and Putin lied? laughing
      3. NEXUS 29 May 2020 11: 43 New
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        Russia has carried out the best medical reform in the world, life expectancy is growing.

        Seriously? Take a look at our pharmaceuticals, which is 70% dependent on the West and Western companies, and then tell us what we did for the reforms. Yeah ...
        1. Civil 29 May 2020 11: 46 New
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          Quote: Civil
          Russia has carried out the best medical reform in the world, life expectancy is growing.

          Seriously? Take a look at our pharmaceuticals, which is 70% dependent on the West and Western companies, and then tell us what we did for the reforms. Yeah ...

          This sad sarcasm was.
      4. balunn 29 May 2020 12: 17 New
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        I completely agree with you. Only in a country that has conquered all illnesses do people and medical workers buy masks and gloves. They also sew anti-plague suits and reusable gauze masks, since they simply did not provide them with this.
    3. knn54 29 May 2020 09: 24 New
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      The reason (including coronavirus) is ONE. This is an upcoming election.
      Trump and Co. (possibly fraud) did not respond properly. .
      Now trying to catch up.
      In Russia, it MUST be worse.
      And this cannot but alarm.
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        In Russia, it MUST be worse.

        Or maybe you just need to be honest with your citizens?
    4. Ross xnumx 29 May 2020 10: 22 New
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      I wonder who cares what the "hegemons of the world" believe or do not believe in.

      good
      The United States does not believe in low mortality from COVID-19 in Russia

      Compare:
  2. svp67 29 May 2020 05: 26 New
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    Of course, time will put everything in its place, but it seems like we were lucky that we did not “annihilate” the system of “Soviet medicine” until the end, that we managed to delay the start of the epidemic, having already reached the stage of “weakening” of “deadly forces” virus in our hemisphere, yet spring and a bright, active sun are a huge force, like our nature, which is now blooming.
    1. Hagalaz 29 May 2020 07: 45 New
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      I agree. And if the authorities hadn’t talked about and didn’t allow the mass departure of people from large cities in the first week of the "Great Seat", and then the flea market in the subway and minibuses, then there would have been even fewer cases.
      Well, why not say about “special” immunity? So I think that if you have less hawking any (forgive God) fast food and other GMOs, then you will be much healthier. This is all and of course we have, but not as totally as it is.
      1. EvilLion 29 May 2020 08: 45 New
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        Well, or the disease would last longer, but much easier.
      2. Titus_2 29 May 2020 16: 05 New
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        And if we’ll try to take into account that a large mass flies through large cities by the first one that has flown from Europe to quarantine, I think there would have been fewer sick people in the capital, and then shift workers would not have dragged the infection through the regions, I’m sure that the USSR would have been more efficient.
    2. Ross xnumx 29 May 2020 10: 33 New
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      but it looks like we were lucky

      We are fortunate that we live in the country of Russia, where the world coronavirus pandemic is perceived by the unhealthy excesses of the body of an ordinary Russian as a mild ailment. lol
      If you believe the gossip about the nature of the appearance of Covid-19, then to one degree or another, the Russians went through the stage of infection in the fall of 2019.
      And we were lucky that in the open spaces of the Russian Federation the population density is 8,57 people / km². This infection is simply no one to grab. There are several places where the apple has nowhere to fall. But there are concentrated "elite layers" of society. Therefore, “a bottle of kefir, half a loaf” and some self-isolation from society will not stop them ...
      For a whole month now, there has been no gossip from “Russophobic friends” ... Grace ...
    3. New Year day 29 May 2020 10: 50 New
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      Quote: svp67
      until the end they didn’t “annihilate” the system of “Soviet medicine”


    4. Zanika 29 May 2020 11: 16 New
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      Of course, time will put everything in its place, but it seems like we were lucky that we did not “annihilate” the system of “Soviet medicine” until the end, that we managed to delay the start of the epidemic, having already reached the stage of “weakening” of “deadly forces” virus in our hemisphere, yet spring and a bright, active sun are a huge force, like our nature, which is now blooming.

      Still from the time of the USSR, the same instructions, etc.
      Imagine. What would happen if medicine were transferred to a paid basis? You lie on the street with a heart attack and you hold 5 thousand in your hand ..))))
      PS I remember they brought me to the operation (heart) and the nurse warned that if you want a video of your operation you need 50 rubles.)))))) So they brought me on a gurney and I crossed my arms over my chest and kept 50 rubles. You should see the views of the people around)))))) And I still winked at them .. laughing
      All beautifully done and completely free .. !!!!!
      A video scary men ..
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        All beautifully done and completely free .. !!!!!
        A video scary men ..

        Two years ago, I did cardiac angiography of the blood vessels of the heart. I’m lying down, the doctor asks: -Do you want to see yourself from the inside? and turned me the monitor screen. The sight, however, and even you feel how the probe passes inside ...... Hmm, interesting ... And what is strange, everything is absolutely free at the expense of the compulsory medical insurance policy and such manipulation in our town. And even 5-7 years ago it was necessary to go to Samara, Chelyabinsk or a similar city. Yes, they ruined medicine in the bud ....
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  3. Break through 29 May 2020 05: 31 New
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    We do not believe in American statistics. She is very understated. Like this.
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      Мы
      And who are you? Another would have left in a minus long ago, and you are all foreman?
      1. kjhg 29 May 2020 08: 28 New
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        And who are you?

        This is another reincarnation of Meehan. It's hard not to recognize him by his delusional comments. request .
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    2. BARKAS 29 May 2020 07: 58 New
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      And I do not believe in American statistics, I think that it is overpriced in the interests of pharmacists.
      1. dzvero 29 May 2020 08: 44 New
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        Rather, in the interest of hospitals. Indeed, for the treatment of "simple" pneumonia they get somewhere around 13000 dollars, and if coronavirus - three times more. As a result, an ordinary cough immediately becomes a golden chicken.
        1. Dym71 29 May 2020 11: 00 New
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          and if coronavirus - three times more

          Dobarden, Ivo, there is a similar situation in Russia, however, no one has canceled the inspections and it is possible to get involved in inspections. hi
          1. dzvero 29 May 2020 11: 12 New
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            Hello Andrey hi I read about the USA on the net; there were different opinions about the situation in Russia. We did not seem to have this. Maybe due to the fact that there are very few cases - about 2500; deceased - a little over a hundred.
            Health to you and your loved ones!
            1. Dym71 29 May 2020 11: 52 New
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              Quote: dzvero
              there were different opinions about the situation in Russia.

              "Quot homines, tot sententiae"! yes
              I have heard stories in favor of both overstating and underestimating the data on infected people, but these are special cases, and the main trouble I think is that 80% of people get coronavirus asymptomatically.
              Yes, si is alive and well!
        2. Beringovsky 29 May 2020 11: 18 New
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          Rather, in the interest of hospitals. Indeed, for the treatment of "simple" pneumonia they get somewhere around 13000 dollars, and if coronavirus - three times more. As a result, an ordinary cough immediately becomes a golden chicken.

          What for? Where is the logic here? How does overstatement contribute to this? Rather, on the contrary, this is a minus for hospitals, as it indicates poor performance.
          1. dzvero 29 May 2020 11: 22 New
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            So after all, a coronavirus infection is "diagnosed", and in real life there is ordinary flu. Mortality is not overstated, on the contrary. Plus, money, as you know, does not smell, and managers did not take the oath of Hypocrates ...
            1. Overlock 29 May 2020 19: 44 New
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              but in real life, ordinary flu.

              why do doctors die from him like flies?
              1. dzvero 30 May 2020 05: 41 New
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                Medical staff at risk, they really got much more sick than, for example, police or teachers, but I would not say that they would die like flies.
                In addition, I did not mean the actual diagnosis of the infection, but the type of “probable coronavirus infection” / “suspected coronavirus infection” during the initial examination, which are then sent upstairs as cases of coronavirus. Judging by the publications, in the USA (and not only) this was the case.
          2. Beringovsky 29 May 2020 11: 43 New
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            Quote: Beringovsky
            Quote: dzvero
            Rather, in the interest of hospitals. Indeed, for the treatment of "simple" pneumonia they get somewhere around 13000 dollars, and if coronavirus - three times more. As a result, an ordinary cough immediately becomes a golden chicken.

            What for? Where is the logic here? How does overstatement contribute to this? Rather, on the contrary, this is a minus for hospitals, as it indicates poor performance.

            good good good
            I applaud frantically! Standing up
            You absolutely accurately described the situation in Russia. The fact is that the Novosibirsk tests along with Covid show four more coronaviruses. These are the ones that existed for a long time and with which we are sick every year. Simply put, under this brand all patients with ordinary SARS are sweeping. Therefore, mortality is so low. If you replace here with everyone who sneezes at least once, mortality will be generally within the limits of statistical error. Absurd? Well, yes, so we stand on it.
            Hospitals are 80% crammed by those who do not need it and there are not enough forces on new, really sick covids. And there are a great many such cases. It seems that adequate system management in the country is simply absent, who is in the woods who is firewood.
            1. Glory1974 29 May 2020 12: 50 New
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              Hospitals are 80% crammed by those who do not need it and there are not enough forces on new, really sick covids.

              In hospitals they lay down after a CT scan of the lungs, which shows whether there is pneumonia or not. If it’s just a malaise from a coronavirus, they treat it at home.
            2. kosovvskiy 29 May 2020 17: 55 New
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              Plyusanul, although all is not quite so. Covid can be distinguished from seasonal coronovirus rhinitis, as well as SARS-1 and MERS, by the nature of the DNA accumulation curve during rial time PCR. But, if the doctor analyzing the results does not fully understand what he is doing, or does not look at the schedules at all, but only concentration, it is quite possible to take rhinitis for Covid.
              Z.Y. And, this is a feature of all PCR tests, and not just vector ones.
              1. Overlock 29 May 2020 19: 46 New
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                Quote: kosovvskiy
                all PCR tests

                and no one has been diagnosed with this test for a long time
      2. Zanika 29 May 2020 11: 29 New
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        And I do not believe in American statistics, I think that it is overpriced in the interests of pharmacists.

        That's right ... Michael! Look at the advertising and everything will become clear! They don’t say directly, but the pictures of the crown show .. Even the “domestos” began))))))
    3. New Year day 29 May 2020 15: 46 New
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      We do not believe in American statistics. She is very understated. Like this.

      explain! Do you believe in millions of cases in America, but don’t believe that with so many cases, only 30 doctors died?
      As our leader used to say, either put on a cross or take off your underpants laughing
  4. Vladimir_2U 29 May 2020 05: 39 New
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    The first to sound the alarm about Russian "statistical insidiousness" in the New York Times and the Financial Times. It was stated that in Russia mortality from coronavirus was underestimated by at least 70% in an attempt to justify the inefficiency of its own medicine

    And about the same way Russophobes are considered all the more or less negative about Russia and especially the USSR.
  5. forest1 29 May 2020 06: 03 New
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    More than 40 doctors in Dagestan died from pneumonia and coronavirus infection. This was announced by the Minister of Health of the Republic Jamaludin Hajiyibragimov during a live broadcast on Instagram with blogger Ruslan Kurbanov.

    According to him, 13 697 patients with COVID-19 and community-acquired pneumonia were registered in the republic. In hospitals, Hajiyibragimov noted, there are more than 7 thousand people. 657 people died from community-acquired pneumonia in the republic, according to the head of the Ministry of Health.
    According to the operational headquarters, on May 16, a total of 3280 coronavirus infected and 27 died as a result of the disease were registered in Dagestan. The republic ranks fifth among the regions of Russia with the largest number of cases.
    Kurbanov specified why double statistics are kept, and the number of people infected with coronavirus and the number of people with pneumonia are considered separately. Hajiyibragimov replied that "this is a bit wrong." “Why are we talking [separately] about deaths due to covid infection and from community-acquired pneumonia ... [statistics are] on laboratory tests, on confirmed cases,” the minister explained.
    He added that Rospotrebnadzor units were initially involved in laboratory research on confirmed cases in the republic. “Then the laboratories subordinate to the Ministry of Health joined. But only the departments of Rospotrebnadzor worked with pneumonia, ”Hajiyibragimov said.

    The minister said that people with community-acquired pneumonia are treated in the same way as those with COVID-19. Kurbanov asked to explain the difference in the course of the disease in coronavirus patients and those who were diagnosed with community-acquired pneumonia. Hajiyibragimov replied that there is no difference. “These patients are guided by practically the same guidelines. But since we don’t have laboratory data on confirmation, statistics are kept in this way, ”the minister said.

    Read more at RBC:
    https://www.rbc.ru/society/17/05/2020/5ec075f39a79474a43fe2c12

    As you can see, they die from community-acquired pneumonia just an order of magnitude more than from coronavirus. Apparently this is the reason for such good Russian statistics. (657 deaths versus 27 deaths from covid, on May 16)
    By the way, in the instagram he also reported on the "nuances" of patient registration. The Governor of Dagestan Vasiliev also asked a question why there are so many deaths from community-acquired pneumonia and at the same time they are not COVID-19
    1. Mavrikiy 29 May 2020 06: 31 New
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      As you can see, they die from community-acquired pneumonia just an order of magnitude more than from coronavirus

      Honestly earned his grant. Go to the cashier for the bobos. repeat
      1. forest1 29 May 2020 06: 36 New
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        MAKHACHKALA, May 12 - RIA Novosti. The head of Dagestan, Vladimir Vasiliev, said that 26 people died from coronavirus infection in the republic, and 481 patients died from community-acquired pneumonia.
        “Twenty-six people in our country definitely died of coronavirus. If we talk about those who died from community-acquired pneumonia, I talked with the head of the MHIF, with the minister, the experts who came to us, having analyzed everything I could, I call this figure - 481 people,” Vasiliev said on the air of the regional television channel RGVK "Dagestan" on Tuesday.

        Did he earn a grant too?
        1. Mavrikiy 29 May 2020 06: 57 New
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          Did he earn a grant too?

          Of course, he just doesn't know it yet. repeat And if the cake begins to grind the pies, then it turns out.
          1. New Year day 29 May 2020 10: 52 New
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            And if the cake begins to grind the pies, then it turns out.

            Are you talking about this shoemaker?
            1. Motorist 29 May 2020 23: 45 New
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              Sylvester, one minus is from me. Not for the opinion: You-comrades can’t find [create] other "funny pictures" for comments, repeat. "Boring, girls ..." (c)
    2. carstorm 11 29 May 2020 06: 45 New
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      Of course I understand everything, but what does it have to do with it? from pneumonia, for example, in 16 in the country more than 30000 thousand people died. and in other years not much less. Of course there will be more dead from it. especially in Dagestan.
      1. forest1 29 May 2020 06: 53 New
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        Well estimate. in a couple of months of 2020, 700 people died in pneumonia in Dagestan (and the number of deaths in recent weeks began to go to hundreds), according to the governor and the Minister of Health of Dagestan .. Moreover, they die famously in the warm season. In a year, how much will be there. 700x4 = 2800. That is, Dagestan in a year will provide in the region 10% of all mortality from pneumonia. Well, at least strange numbers come out. By the way, the article says that compared with last year, the incidence of pneumonia in Dagestan increased by 33%. This is certainly not an order of magnitude, but for me it’s still interesting and suggestive numbers.
        1. carstorm 11 29 May 2020 07: 55 New
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          I don’t see anything strange. I am rather surprised by the fact that it is in one Dagestan and appeals to the president with wild mortality to understand and the statements of the governor, well, somehow it is very different from everything that happens in the country. in my opinion, the leadership has arranged it so that they’ll say something wrong now. The republic is in a deplorable situation, there are no medicines, doctors, medical equipment, beds, preventive measures are taken, whole villages get sick, and unfortunately they die without waiting for help, ”he writes. Kasimova and asks the president "to deal with the current situation.
          where else is there similar in the country? Apparently, next landings and criminal cases are brewing. this is Dagestan. it’s always there.
      2. Mavrikiy 29 May 2020 06: 55 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        more than 30000 thousand people died.
        Cut three zeroes .. repeat
        1. carstorm 11 29 May 2020 07: 46 New
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          why ? 31000 people to be more precise.
          1. Mavrikiy 29 May 2020 07: 57 New
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            Check out your previous post.
            more than 30000 thousand people died.
            It's 30 million, isn’t it scary? repeat
            31000 people to be more precise.
            but here they are cut off. Need more repeat ....
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              and you about it)))) I repent) sometimes I make such mistakes)
  6. Mavrikiy 29 May 2020 06: 35 New
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    Special immunity? The United States does not believe in low mortality from COVID-19 in Russia
    Of course I have. Fast food does not eat in such quantities. repeat
    1. kjhg 29 May 2020 08: 43 New
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      Of course I have. Fast food does not eat in such quantities.

      We also have the best optimized healthcare in the world with the best hospital equipment in the world that each of us could see personally, the best ventilation machines in the world, which immediately burn patients with the entire department. But the most important thing that we have is clamps and the best Rosstat in the world fellow
      1. AU Ivanov. 29 May 2020 11: 35 New
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        Or maybe it's not a bobbin? Ventilators still need to be properly operated, which they were not perfect.
      2. Tank hard 29 May 2020 20: 47 New
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        We also have the best optimized healthcare in the world with the best hospital equipment in the world that each of us could see personally, the best ventilation machines in the world, which immediately burn patients with the entire department. But the most important thing that we have is clamps and the best Rosstat in the world

        It’s like a competent individual who understands that working with oxygen is always associated with the danger of fire, and here the matter is in preparation and case, I would never write something like that for you, but you are an individual throwing a fan on, alas ... request
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          Quote: Tank Hard
          It’s like a competent individual who understands that working with oxygen is always associated with the danger of fire, and here the matter is in preparation and case, I would never write something like that for you, but you are an individual throwing a fan on, alas ...

          You, too, seem to be a stupid person. And if so, then before blaming others for throwing on a fan, they could work a little and find out why there was a fire in the ventilation apparatus of the Ural Instrument-Making Plant, which killed people. The reason is a short circuit of Chinese elements that are not designed for such a long operation under such a load.
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            The reason is a short circuit of Chinese elements that are not designed for such a long operation under such a load.

            And where now there are no "Chinese elements"? Or is Putin also to blame for this? Reading your posts, it seems that you hate the whole country. Not only the government. or officials, but just a country. request
  7. rotmistr60 29 May 2020 06: 42 New
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    The Americans are accustomed to believing that they have all the best (?): The army, weapons, medicine, education ... and then suddenly, by mortality ahead of the rest of the planet, pathologists open up on the street (stories from the American media). And I want Russia to be ahead of the United States in the dead, and the average person should not think about where American medicine has slipped, but poke a finger at our country. So the "Amero-Stakhanovites" of the media are trying to spit stronger and smarter in Russia. Do you think they will learn something from today's pandemic? Pipes. They will die out by half, but they will shout from under the IVL apparatus that everything is fine with them, and the “aggressive” Russia is engaged in propaganda and is lying to the whole world.
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      they will yell from under the apparatus of mechanical ventilation that everything is fine with them, and the “aggressive” Russia is engaged in propaganda and is lying to the whole world.

      The most disgusting thing, even we have left those who will scream "general American scream" .... to them, for this, GRANTICS will be distributed! Selling little souls, in fact and in fact of their coexistence.
      1. Hagalaz 29 May 2020 08: 01 New
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        I would not say so categorically about grants. There are enough people who are ready to nurture the country for free, as they like.
        1. rocket757 29 May 2020 08: 14 New
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          Quote: Hagalaz
          There are enough people

          It's right. Our country is rich in all sorts of different "talents" ... but time is such that simply because of the "love of art" there is no one to try. They simply die out, for objective reasons.
          Most even seek to monetize what a normal person does not even want to think about.
      2. depressant 29 May 2020 08: 04 New
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        And amers have colonizer syndrome. They imagine themselves to be supervisors over the whole world, in many cases being such in fact. That revealed their arrogant, filthy colonial gut. They could not, or rather did not want to properly integrate into the economy, therefore, to discipline their own former slaves - the so-called African-Americans - received the wildest mortality from the coronavirus and are now screaming with frustration and anger, flipping the democrat whip around the rest of the world in an attempt to build statistics on coronavirus in a flattering schedule for yourself. There is no reason to be surprised. And let's figure out our own statistics ourselves - stop poking your American snout into our lives! It would be better to attend to the cost of our own medical services. The general opinion - prices are unbearable! Maybe also for this reason, sick Americans do not call doctors on time and therefore are massively killed in an epidemic?
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          Quote: depressant
          And let's figure out our own statistics ourselves - stop poking your American snout into our lives!

          To wishful thinking, to prove to everyone with tenacity worthy of a better application, that it is so ... their elite’s work is such, besides providing interest, a specific, rich part of their citizens. In principle, nothing new, unusual ... a lot where exactly it is. Although, almost everywhere, if you look.
          1. cniza 29 May 2020 09: 57 New
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            Something recently sausages them not childishly ...
            1. rocket757 29 May 2020 10: 04 New
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              System crash. thoughtlessly, they have already heaped such a thing, spawned such processes in y. now they themselves don’t know how to handle this, but it can even go into the distance.
              Self-confidence, a property that is differently ending in fact.
              So we will see what and how they sculpted earlier, because it will all appear now or a bit later.
              1. cniza 29 May 2020 10: 15 New
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                This is so, but because of their sculpting, now everyone will be long on the head ...
                1. rocket757 29 May 2020 10: 29 New
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                  Well, yes, they know how, they know how, they let the hedgehog into his pants, to anyone and everyone!
                  It’s a boom to hope that our previous trainings will protect our ... affairs from a great cataclysm.
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                    We have no choice but to hope and believe.
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          That revealed their arrogant, filthy colonial gut.


          For me, they always showed it like that, not embarrassed.
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  9. Ravik 29 May 2020 06: 44 New
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    When the virus was created, the expectations were different? Interesting!
  10. rocket757 29 May 2020 06: 47 New
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    In addition, even in Europe, doctors have different approaches to assessing mortality from coronavirus. So, in France mortality in nursing homes is taken into account, but in the UK it is not. How then to compare the data?

    And much more ....
    But, in principle, now it makes no difference, let them tear a hair of a zhfileyny in their own place. The main thing is that out of this whole situation, quarantine - crisis, we will leave !!! No need to rush .... no need to rush!
    After all, you can also see from the side who and what will be “blown up”! and don't do that.
    Provide a walk, find a rake, someone else!
    1. cniza 29 May 2020 09: 54 New
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      The main thing is that out of this whole situation, quarantine - crisis, we will leave !!! No need to rush .... no need to rush!


      Here, many, for some reason, don’t even think about it.
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        Here, many, for some reason, don’t even think about it.

        They say this, people are serious, experienced ... only not everyone listens to them!
        For us, it’s important that Schaub took such advice at the top as it should ... everything very much depends on them now.
        1. cniza 29 May 2020 10: 13 New
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          And there it looks like "swan, cancer and pike", each pulls in its own direction ...
          1. rocket757 29 May 2020 10: 27 New
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            Well yes. The local affairs from the outside do not look ... not clear. The kitchen is there and what do they want to cook there ??? ... we would have a "magic pot" as in Andersen's fairy tales !!! Schaub could "stick his nose" into any "kitchen"! Then yes ... and so, only by "scraps" it turns out to be oriented.
            1. cniza 29 May 2020 10: 33 New
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              This kitchen smells bad, but yes we would do our own thing.
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                Unfortunately, any muck from that kitchen falls on us, and even strives to cover us with a head.
  11. codetalker 29 May 2020 06: 50 New
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    The statistics of IDENTIFIED cases of diseases in Russia are very OVER. All laboratory diagnostics are based on screening methods of analysis. They give a large percentage of false positive results. Usually, a screening analysis is followed by some kind of confirmatory analysis (complex, expensive and long). With such a mass, obviously, they do not. The number of infected infected is overstated by 60 percent (which correlates with the percentage of “asymptomatic forms of the disease”)
    Data on the number of deaths appears to be reliable (autopsy provides extensive information).
    1. cniza 29 May 2020 09: 18 New
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      It’s debatable that this is how much sick we have already had and did not know about it and how many sick people are walking now ...
      1. codetalker 29 May 2020 13: 15 New
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        You are talking about the total number of cases. In theory, it is always more than the number of cases detected, it is difficult to determine it exactly, you can only evaluate it.
        I am talking about statistics of detected cases.
    2. Glory1974 29 May 2020 12: 54 New
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      All laboratory diagnostics are based on screening methods of analysis. They give a large percentage of false positive results. Usually, a screening analysis is followed by some kind of confirmatory analysis (complex, expensive and long). With such a mass, obviously, they do not. The number of infected infected is overstated by 60 percent (which correlates with the percentage of “asymptomatic forms of the disease”)

      On the contrary, tests do not show anything. At work, we have really sick people. They did 2-3 tests and showed nothing, although CT showed that there was already lung damage.
      Therefore, the number of detected is not overestimated, on the contrary, the tests should be multiplied by 2 times.
      1. codetalker 29 May 2020 13: 17 New
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        What are sick? CT scan showed pneumonia. Its viral nature must be confirmed by laboratory tests.
  12. Gardamir 29 May 2020 06: 58 New
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    The United States does not believe in low mortality from COVID-19 in Russia
    Sobyanin also does not believe. Interestingly, can it be re-elected, or are all people in muzzles voting through smartphones already deprived of this opportunity?
    1. Tank hard 29 May 2020 20: 52 New
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      Sobyanin also does not believe. Interestingly, can it be re-elected, or are all people in muzzles voting through smartphones already deprived of this opportunity?

      I'd like to replace him, right? wink laughing
  13. Doccor18 29 May 2020 07: 01 New
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    Statistics are the most supple lady. You can twist it as you want. It is also possible to adjust mortality from the coronovirus, if desired, at least as a plus, even as a minus. Therefore, I believe that the statistics of precisely those cases confirmed by the test have a basis. But mortality statistics need to be very carefully understood. And all over the world.
    1. cniza 29 May 2020 09: 13 New
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      This does not interest anyone, everyone will look for the guilty ...
  14. 7,62h54 29 May 2020 07: 02 New
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    In Russia, the disaster was not fleeing shift workers, but Muscovites scattering across the country.
    1. cniza 29 May 2020 09: 12 New
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      And the local elite didn’t bring in beaks ...
    2. your1970 29 May 2020 10: 05 New
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      Quote: 7,62x54
      In Russia, the disaster was not fleeing shift workers, but Muscovites scattering across the country.

      Strange .... no Muscovite "" ran to us " WHY SOMETHING... but the shift worker brought the infection and died of it ....
      1. depressant 29 May 2020 12: 07 New
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        In fact, a fact known since ancient times: epidemics spread in rings with a gradually increasing distance from its center. A city, an epidemic in it, then an emptiness, and beyond it an epidemic ring, and so on. Already in the modern era, studying this strange fact, epidemiologists at first could not understand what was the matter. And there it is - the flight of the rich to the country estates. Well, or those who had a place to run to, or those who were especially frightened, who fled in all directions from the center and ran somewhere — how much strength they had, the infected fugitives were dying, creating an epidemic ring. In any case, in past centuries during the plague and cholera epidemics in Moscow, cruel cordons were placed. But for some reason, this now widely known experience of the past did not become a lesson for Sobyanin.
    3. dauria 29 May 2020 14: 06 New
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      In Russia, the disaster was not fleeing shift workers, but Muscovites scattering across the country.


      Why shift workers, Muscovites, or who else? Just take a look at the map of Russian railways or airlines. This is a starfish with a center in Moscow and rays in all directions. Wherever you go, you have to go through Moscow. In addition, 10% live in a huge country in Moscow (every tenth Russian). The virus will also be moving around the country - through Moscow along the roads. And with a monthly delay of the peak to freeze on the outskirts with low density and mobility. This is subject to the same measures in the country. Differences will be only in those areas where the density, mobility or indifference of the population differ from the national average.
  15. Doctor 29 May 2020 07: 11 New
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    The fact is that statistics are low not only in Russia, but throughout the former USSR. And also in the countries of Eastern Europe, where there was our influence.
    In short, where BCG was done. This seems to be the case.
    1. cniza 29 May 2020 09: 11 New
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      And this factor also played ...
    2. AU Ivanov. 29 May 2020 11: 40 New
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      Or maybe BCG. It seems like this vaccine is not only vaccinated against tuberculosis, but some fungal diseases are also treated for leprosy. What the hell is not joking, perhaps she and the immune system makes it more resistant to covid.
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  17. Molot1979 29 May 2020 07: 20 New
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    American nerds .... It is clear that all these snot on his fist is an attempt to distract attention from the complete failure of American medicine. The cretinism is that even if the death toll in Russia is underestimated by about 70%, this does not cancel out 100 thousand dead Americans and cannot be compared with them. And the reason for low mortality is normal medicine, and not mythical immunity. If everyone is saved the same way, and not just moneybags, then the statistics are corresponding.
    1. cniza 29 May 2020 09: 10 New
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      They are furious that we cannot be blamed for their mortality ...
  18. Boris ⁣ Shaver 29 May 2020 07: 36 New
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    There is also a third explanation: the American healthcare system is chronically unable to cope with the epidemic, many die from a lack of necessary medical care.

    Well, we would have written that: he died from a lack of necessary medical care. Oops! And here are the pens! And do not complain, and the statistics are in order. Learn, Yankees.
  19. Sonmaster 29 May 2020 08: 00 New
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    I’m thinking that comparative indicators of mortality from a viral infection should suggest to the American military that the use of viral weapons against Russia is not effective. After all, it turns out that the threat to lose more from such an application themselves should cool the development of viral and bacteriological weapons in the United States.
  20. parusnik 29 May 2020 08: 02 New
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    From the most provincial town of the United States (in Russia it would be considered a village), you can fly almost to the other end of the country.
    ... Hmm ... about 50 years ago, and it was like that in our town .. Airport: domestic airlines, you can’t fly to any end of the country, but you could fly to An-2 to any end of the region or to another region ... Now , in memory of the past stop remained, the airport is called .. Many do not even know why
    1. Glory1974 29 May 2020 12: 57 New
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      It was like that in our city too. Now the whole residential area "Airport" is called ........
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        Who has a neighborhood under that name, we have a landfill ...
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          Here is a development path: from the airport to the landfill.
  21. oracul 29 May 2020 08: 10 New
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    Apparently Hegemon does not sleep well if he is trying to convict others of what permeates their foreign policy. The problem is that the American lie is so great that it can not be compared. But they sincerely believe in what they carry around the world. A lot of effort and money was spent by the USA on globalization, first of all, the economy, of course financial flows, the World Wide Web, satellite tracking system, a network of military bases and secret laboratories. And in the center of the whole United States, crushing the UN, WHO, UNESCO and more. And suddenly the whole tricked-out structure crackled. And who is to blame? China? Yes, no, his philosophy is different. He would rather remain silent and try to take over world trade. India? Again, no. Their interest has always been focused on its peninsula. If only they would not touch. Another thing is some kind of Russia. It has already been written off as world scrap. And she came out of a coma and in a voice declared herself, her right to live and think differently. And everything of the Anglo-Saxons begins to go to ashes. To confront on this other challenge, except by lie and force they are not capable. Maybe they will learn someday.
    1. cniza 29 May 2020 09: 08 New
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      It looks like the start of agony.
  22. Skarpzd 29 May 2020 08: 19 New
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    HM .... I don’t exactly believe in mortality, but I don’t really believe in the virus itself .... neither I, nor anyone from my relatives or acquaintances personally know a person with a confirmed virus. so ... someone heard from someone that he knows a person who was told that someone else's acquaintance (relative) is personally familiar with a person who knows who is sick ...
    1. unaha 29 May 2020 08: 47 New
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      In vain. I know one personally, in addition, I know colleagues from Moscow who have been ill. However, all recovered.
      But the situation is really strange, on the one hand, mortality from community-acquired pneumonia is growing and not in Dagestan alone (what is it caused by?), On the other hand, it would be logical for the country's leadership to intimidate the mortality from the virus, on the contrary.
    2. cniza 29 May 2020 09: 05 New
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      That's right, but take care of yourself and do not come to the big city until everything settles down.
    3. your1970 29 May 2020 10: 12 New
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      My ex-colleague died. He burned out in a week, did not have anything chronic before.
    4. major147 29 May 2020 10: 31 New
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      Quote: Skarpzd
      neither I, nor anyone from my relatives or friends personally know a person with a confirmed virus.


      Remember this movie girl? Now there is a struggle for her life, her husband died from the “crown”. My friend was ill at home in a mild form, her husband was in intensive care. Both doctors. They kept him under oxygen in spite of the serious condition. a small percentage comes out from under mechanical ventilation. Thank God both recovered.
  23. Maks1995 29 May 2020 08: 40 New
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    All are right.
    And that the elderly often died before the virus, but remained the most seasoned by time and adversity (honor and glory to them), and that ordinary pensioners in Italy do not go and officials do not enter the circle of contacts of the officials (look how many of them fell ill)
    And what about statistics they like as they want (120% in the elections, thing !!!)
    And that both the thought and the media look at the amers in their mouths: what will they say ....

    Alas. And that will not change.
    1. cniza 29 May 2020 09: 02 New
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      And what about statistics they like as they want (120% in the elections, thing !!!)


      Where and when is this? belay

      And that both the thought and the media look at the amers in their mouths: what will they say ....


      This can justify and cite the facts.

      Alas. And that will not change.


      Everything, in a white sheet and crawling in the cemetery.
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        You can see completely off topic.

        [/ Center]

        "Everything, in a white sheet and crawling in the cemetery."
        already, already taken care ...
  24. EvilLion 29 May 2020 08: 41 New
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    Just in Russia, a person whose temperature is below 40 and bilateral pneumonia can be cured by mandatory honey. insurance, and in the USA, a significant percentage simply does not have health insurance, and even if there is, it will not cover expenses, it remains only to lie and die.
    1. cniza 29 May 2020 08: 58 New
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      And they did not take the beginning of the outbreak seriously ...
  25. cniza 29 May 2020 08: 52 New
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    The United States does not believe in low mortality from COVID-19 in Russia


    Why do they always climb into someone else's "garden" - only from impunity ...
    1. rocket757 29 May 2020 09: 16 New
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      Hi soldier
      If you look, they have their own problems above the roof ... the best method that has been working so far is TO TRANSFER THE ARROWS of popular discontent somewhere to the outside.
      But, not everything and they succeed! blazed again and again, judging by the coverage of events ... not in one place.
      1. cniza 29 May 2020 10: 12 New
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        Greetings! hi

        It was not childish for them themselves to stick under the fifth point, it is not clear where the curve will lead.
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          We will not gloat, advise too .. they, themselves, successfully cope with everything.
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            In no case, let them out, we do not need chaos.
            1. rocket757 29 May 2020 10: 35 New
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              That is yes. It will start with them, and they will try to blame everyone else.
  26. l7yzo 29 May 2020 09: 18 New
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    "And now WHO, following the example of Italy and Spain, recommends putting the cause of death of COVID-19 in any deceased if this virus is detected in his blood." - Well, as if that says it all.
    And if you touch - "Tests for COVID-19 were" infected "with coronavirus
    In Europe and the USA, on “probes and primers” they found particles of infection that provoked a false-positive reaction. "May 14, the news finally got really cool. Well, for example, in Tanzania," Tanzania’s President John Magufuli decided to conduct a check and find out what was wrong with the people sent to the country by tests on COVID-19. They collected samples of biomaterial, sent to the laboratory, and then asked with things for the exit of a major health official. The coronavirus was discovered ... in papaya and goat. "
  27. Esaul 29 May 2020 09: 20 New
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    Dialogue of an American doctor and pathologist:
    - What is the cause of death?
    - Write - coronavirus.
    “But the corpse has two gunshot wounds and seven stab wounds!”
    - Write - "death from a coronavirus against a background of concomitant diseases."
  28. samurai_klim 29 May 2020 09: 52 New
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    It is not clear why these 250 thousand were allocated. You go to facebook and there you can find a bunch of evidence on the well-known pages of certain figures. I don’t want to eat. Then a test tube with a crown - and that’s it.
  29. Mikhail3 29 May 2020 10: 13 New
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    The low mortality from COVID-19 in Russia has a whole bunch of complex reasons.
    A “bouquet” actually consists of two components. Firstly, SOVIET doctors who have not yet died and have not gone on vacation have serious general training, including very decent knowledge of epidemiology. This allows you to organize work with patients in not yet fully optimized hospitals with dignity (although crazy officials are ordered to seal the ventilation). Doctors in the United States are highly trained in their main specialty, with virtually no study in related fields. So at first they simply did not know what to do.
    And secondly, this virus is just an ordinary flu, with slightly elevated rates. In our climate zone, we get colds all the time. Therefore, our organisms, even without immunity to this virus, are still very trained to withstand diseases of this type. Like the St. Petersburg mutants) - local natives with pale skin who catch a cold on their cold and damp winds more often than residents of not so wet and windy places).
    That's all. The whole "coronavirus project" stinks so much of fraud, fraud and bullshit that it is not surprising to suspect each other, God knows what ...
    1. AU Ivanov. 29 May 2020 14: 17 New
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      You are quieter there, with St. Petersburg mutants, otherwise we were offended. You haven’t seen the Murmansk ones - the same seasoned ones.
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        And I can yearn!) There was an option for distribution to Peter to go. Only now we did not have a distribution ...
  30. Operator 29 May 2020 10: 35 New
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    An order of magnitude lower mortality from coronavirus in Russia is primarily associated with timely quarantine measures and the massive provision of high-tech medical care in our country. In most countries of Europe and in the USA, they missed the start of the epidemic and then were unable to scale up the number of tests, laboratories, medicines, resuscitation beds and mechanical ventilation devices on a massive scale.

    The pandemic revealed the inconvenience of Western medicine in providing medical care to only a small number of solvent patients, and not to a wide circle of the population - which is called public health (the Soviet type), and not medicine itself.

    Therefore, Westerners will die out from the autumn wave of new strains of coronavirus will be even more intense than from the spring bully
    1. Beringovsky 29 May 2020 14: 05 New
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      What the pandemic accurately identified is the fact that many of our fellow citizens derive information exclusively from uplifting media.
      There is a great battle between the TV and the refrigerator.
    2. New Year day 29 May 2020 15: 54 New
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      ... the massive provision of high-tech medical care in our country.

      Do you mean the native ventilation, which themselves burn? laughing
      Figures: resuscitation beds per 100 thousand people are in Germany (29,2), Taiwan (28,5), the United States (25,4) and Brazil (25).
      In Russia, 8 beds per 100 thousand people, the equipment with mechanical ventilation devices in different regions ranged from 50 to 24%.
      So, proctologists and cardiologists, surgeons and neurologists with optometrists together undoubtedly provided high-tech assistance in the treatment of infectious diseases laughing
      This is how a tanker will fly a plane laughing
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        You have been accustomed to lying since childhood, apparently - your quote from the State Department’s training manual that the death rate from covid in the regions of Russia is less than in Moscow especially delivered you.

        The United States with 25 resuscitation beds per 100000 population leads in the number of deaths due to coveid, mortality rates are over 5 percent, but since the statistics are rigged, the actual mortality rate is at least twice as high (and an order of magnitude higher than in Russia), the bodies are stored in refrigerators. Some wrong beds and squinting doctors in your America bully
  31. Ros 56 29 May 2020 10: 37 New
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    But we believe in high mortality among the striped, as of the present: infected - 1 + 768, deceased - 461 + 6699, the numbers to the right of the plus are the ones added today. So let them think about what they need to worry about today.
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      They believe. THEY make claims. Not we. Didn’t pay attention, huh?
  32. mavrus 29 May 2020 10: 51 New
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    I wonder who cares what the "hegemons of the world" believe or do not believe in.

    Well, for example, the State Duma of the Russian Federation considers the American-English figures of the Holodomor to be true.
    Drive in the neck all this State Duma, let him run for the next time in the parliament ...
    They like cr @ tins there, so they will welcome them with open arms ...
  33. New Year day 29 May 2020 11: 19 New
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    On average, in the Russian Federation they die from COVID-19 7,6 times less than in the world.

    Reflective figure. We take today's mortality data.


    If we compare mortality in the world and in Moscow, then the data is less, but more or less comparable, without taking into account the subjective approach to the interpretation of death. According to Ch. Moscow pathanoma: no pneumonia - death is not from a coronavirus. The question is, how are deaths from pulmonary embolism (PE) encoded in coronavirus, covoid meningitis? The development of pulmonary embolism with coronavirus is one of the main symptoms of coronavirus! And they are included in the protocol for the treatment of coronavirus from the start anticoagulants!
    But if we compare Moscow and the regions, it turns out that with Sobyanin's crazy money invested in the battle with coronavirus, the result of Moscow medicine is simply deplorable - in the regions, without that money, they treat better and more efficiently! Compare mortality yourself! And at the same time, Moscow, with the "disgusting results" of coronavirus treatment, sends doctors to treat coronavirus in regions where everything is fine with mortality! Nonsense!
    Somehow I can’t believe that medicine in the regions is more effective than Moscow, in my opinion, everyone will recognize this.
    Explanations of the “miracle” of regional medicine can easily be found, for example:
    "The authorities of the Lipetsk region explained about the audio recording with a call to change data on CoViD-19."
    Now the following ..
    now WHO, following the example of Italy and Spain, recommends put the cause of death of COVID-19 in any deceasedif this virus is detected in his blood.

    Ministry of Health of Russia, guidelines for determining the initial cause of death of patients with a new coronavirus infection:
    “In the presence of several diseases (mild or long-lasting condition and more serious condition, for which the patient received help), the main should be chosen more serious condition»
    In other words, the presence of covid-2 or 3 in the presence of somatic pathology is not the cause of death, although it was Covid-19 that caused the decompensation of this somatic pathology. And as you know, there are no healthy people - there are poorly examined!
  34. Kamikadze19 29 May 2020 11: 37 New
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    The report showed a Russian-speaking nurse from the United States. He spoke a lot of dying in their apartments, houses without calling an ambulance. And they were not tested and did not fall into the statistics
    1. Operator 29 May 2020 15: 11 New
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      Namely - in the USA, the statistics of deaths from coronavirus are underestimated at times, therefore they come across Russia to distract attention, including with the help of all sylvesters.
      1. New Year day 29 May 2020 15: 57 New
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        Coronavirus death statistics in the USA understated factor of

        Himself not ashamed to write nonsense? If only they looked at Yandex laughing
  35. Million 29 May 2020 11: 46 New
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    It's not about immunity, it's about statistics. The election system confirmed this by 146%
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    And now WHO, following the example of Italy and Spain, recommends putting the cause of death of COVID-19 in any deceased if this virus is detected in his blood.

    It’s hard to find more delirium from WHO. And our government listens to it all and pays a denyuzhku. According to the recommendations of the WHO, their medicine was practically profused. The State Sanitary and Epidemiological Service collapsed. They created an absolutely incomprehensible body called Rospotrebnadzor. In which some officials are wearing the color of gore. I wonder what would it be?
  37. Rostislav Prokopenko 29 May 2020 14: 41 New
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    Still, the most interesting question in this whole story is: WHO was all this and is it profitable? winked
  38. Normal ok 29 May 2020 15: 00 New
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    When mortality from complications of pneumonia in Moscow increased by 19% compared to the same periods (starting in 2010), then anyone who knows how to multiply 2X2 understands that part of the coronovirus is attributed to other diseases.
  39. Alex013 29 May 2020 18: 47 New
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    Statistics is such a thing. It is interesting how the New York Times and the Financial Times comment on situations in the states of South Dakota and Utah, where% is 1,13% and 1,19%. Do the authorities underestimate too?
    https://ncov.blog/countries/us/
    Or Iceland - 0,56% ....
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    In Russia, mortality from coronavirus is overestimated.
    The main causes of adult mortality. So, most people died due to diseases of the circulatory system (4693 cases). Neoplasms caused the death of 1518 people, of which 1502 people died from malignant tumors. Closing this sad rating of digestive diseases is 632 deaths.
    And 20 from the coronavirus, which should be divided by 2.
    The natural population decline was 4305 people,
    Samara region
  41. NF68 31 May 2020 16: 15 New
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    These are US problems.
  42. Sancho_SP 31 May 2020 18: 20 New
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    Where can I get this grant? I would love to research!

    Moreover, the answer is on the surface: we have the diagnosis "covid" put to everyone, much more often than in other countries. And death is death, it cannot be counted otherwise. So it turns out that the number of cases has been inflated, and mortality has not been reduced.
  43. Mikhail3 1 June 2020 11: 40 New
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    What would they say if they knew that we had at least half the statistics and that now they’re trying to record even deaths from road accidents as “victims of cove?” Hehe ...