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How Italian soldiers in 1943 near Voronezh learned the word "boots": from the history of the Great Patriotic War

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How Italian soldiers in 1943 near Voronezh learned the word "boots": from the history of the Great Patriotic War

In 1973, a wonderful feature film by Eldar Ryazanov and Franco Prosperi “The Incredible Adventures of Italians in Russia” was released on Soviet screens. In the Italian box office, the film is known as "Crazy, Crazy, Crazy Chase (Race) in Russia." Those Soviet-Italian films were watched by those inhabitants of the Apennines, for whom only about three decades (at that time) ago, adventures in Russia were really unbelievable, and the chase, or rather the attempt to blow their legs off, was really crazy.


We are talking about the Italian military, whom Mussolini, realizing his own imperial ambitions, sent to the Soviet Union - to fight for new living spaces and resources. In addition to those who were sent to the eastern front, as they say, in mobilization order, their own volunteers were found. These are the Camicie Nere brigades or the Black Shirts.

The elite units of the Italian troops, who were to "march victoriously across Russia" and go to the mountains of the Caucasus for a "complete and final victory for the Italian weapons", Were considered the so-called alpine shooters. These are three Alpine divisions: “Tridentina” (2nd division), “Julia” (3rd division), “Kuneenze” (4th division).

Before the invasion of the territory of the USSR, these and other Italian armed forces were developing relatively well. The same Kuneenze division was considered the winner in the French and Albanian campaigns. True, participation in the French campaign lasted only 12 days, because France surrendered “lightning fast”, and in the confrontation with the Greeks in the Albanian territory for 3 days the Italian division tried to keep the Fakya-Gurit massif. Losses are minimal, the mood is excellent, in the heart - the desire to win and then rush into the arms of their beautiful ladies in Bergamo, Genoa and other "small homelands."

But in the fall of 1942, "something went wrong." Not like the brave Italian soldiers painted in their fantasies, including the “elite” from the Alpine divisions. Finding themselves at that time in the Don — in places where there was a problem with the mountains, the Italian shooters felt the full power of the Red Army’s strikes. In December 1942, the Alpine divisions, which were determined to hold the defense along the Don line in the Boguchar region, received a crushing blow, which made many forget that they are the elite of the "great" Italian army.

The front notes of the participants in the battles on the Don contain evidence of how the soldiers of the "elite" division, realizing that the war could end for them in the snow of the Don steppes, lost their "elite" appearance. And the video chronicle of the Italians, Romanians and others who surrendered then was confirmed.

From a report dated January 18, 1943:

Trying to leave in scattered groups. Many do not have an outfit kit. Pieces of overcoat are tied to the feet with straps.

In the units, which became more like a bunch of Holodroots, they tried to get rid of the statutory “Alpine boots”, which, getting wet from loose snow, turned into cold weights on their feet, literally fought for Russian felt boots. This is despite the fact that before meeting with the Red Army and the winter Soviet Union, the form of alpine shooters was considered almost ideal for military operations in difficult conditions.

There is evidence of residents of the villages of the Voronezh region. People say that in January 1943 these “warriors” turned into uncontrolled (on the part of the command) not even a retreat, but simply a stampede. In the first huts they came across, they tried to explain that they were ready to give up their weapons and everything that they had valuable (someone had personal jewelry - wedding rings, gold or silver crosses), for the sake of “Russian shoes”. Under Russian shoes were, of course, felt boots. It was in many ways saving shoes. But how saving, so scarce. By that time, the occupiers themselves had time to take with them what is badly lying with them in occupied Voronezh villages. Everyone who came to Don to “win” was engaged in looting: Italians, Germans, Romanians, Hungarians ... That's all. Therefore, when I had to drape, to get hold of these shoes among Voronezh peasants was in many ways simply impossible. Lucky few ...

The Russian word “felt boots” itself was widely remembered by many Italians who fled under the blows of the Red Army in January 1943 in the western direction for the rest of their lives. And those for whom this life was a few days old, and those who nevertheless managed, with the shame of defeat, to return home and live to see their gray hair.

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  1. Invoce
    Invoce 28 May 2020 15: 53 New
    -40
    I have nothing against the Italians, although they fought on the side of the Nazis. Although against the Soviet Union
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      2. Abbot
        Abbot 28 May 2020 22: 45 New
        +8
        There is evidence of residents of the villages of the Voronezh region. People says...

        One thing to remember: 40 locals were executed for every Italian killed, 60 for a German soldier. Occupants and punishers to the utmost, but not as cruel as the Germans. Armata Italiana in Russia. There is no forgiveness for this.
    2. hohol95
      hohol95 28 May 2020 16: 24 New
      +4
      You have no "claims" to ordinary citizens of the Kingdom of Italy?
      It was the subjects of this kingdom who fought against the USSR.
      Or do you have no "claims" to the citizens of the Italian Republic that appeared after the referendum in 1946?
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 28 May 2020 17: 03 New
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      Quote: Invoce
      I have nothing against the Italians, although they fought on the side of the Nazis. Although against the Soviet Union

      I also have nothing against the Italians who live in Italy, and those who came to kill our people must be destroyed.
      1. boss
        boss 28 May 2020 17: 27 New
        +2
        Destroyed revealingly.
        And the "show" was demonstrated in the historical homeland, indicating that there were no land for invaders in Russia, even for graves.
    4. svp67
      svp67 28 May 2020 17: 26 New
      10
      Quote: Invoce
      I have nothing against Italians, although they fought on the side of the Nazis

      And I have ... there was no need for them to come with a demoniac to our land ... and
      In 1973, a wonderful feature film by Eldar Ryazanov and Franco Prosperi “The Incredible Adventures of Italians in Russia” was released on Soviet screens. In the Italian box office, the film is known as "Crazy, Crazy, Crazy Chase (Race) in Russia." Those Soviet-Italian films were watched by those inhabitants of the Apennines, for whom only about three decades (at that time) ago, adventures in Russia were really unbelievable, and the chase, or rather the attempt to blow their legs off, was really crazy.

      The most surprising thing is that we all remember this film, but forget that in 1969 the film "Sunflowers" was shot, just about the fate of Italian soldiers in Russia. And something seems to me that that movie

      somehow the memory of the Italians excited their memory of their inglorious campaign in Russia with the possessed and about boots ...
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 28 May 2020 19: 19 New
        11
        Black cross on the chest of the Italian
        No thread, no pattern, no gloss
        A poor family stored
        And the only son wearable
        Naples young man
        What did you leave in Russia on the field
        Why couldn't you be happy
        Over native famous bay?
        I'm the one who killed you under Mozdok
        So dreamed of a distant volcano
        How I dreamed about Volga
        Just once - ride in a handball ...
        But I didn’t come with a gun
        Take away the italian summer
        But My bullets did not whistle
        Above the holy land of Raphael!
        Here I shot! Here - where he was born!
        Where I was proud of myself and my friends
        Where are the traditions of the Russian Peoples
        NEVER sound in translations!
        I - I won’t let my homeland be taken out
        For the expanse of foreign seas
        I - Shoot ... and No Justice
        More just My Bullets!
        You have never been here or lived
        But scattered in the snowy fields ...
        Italian Blue Sky ...
        Glazed in dead eyes.
        1943 Mikhail Svetlov. Great poem!
        How many such “tourists” remained in Our Fields and Forests! By the way ... a lot of poems by Soviet authors about the participation of Italians in the Second World War ....
    5. Alf
      Alf 28 May 2020 19: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: Invoce
      I have nothing against the Italians, although they fought on the side of the Nazis. Although against the Soviet Union

      For 17 months of military operations on the Eastern Front of World War II, fighters of the 22nd and 21st groups completed 2557 sorties for “free hunting”, 1983 - for escort, 1310 - for attack and 511 - for cover of ground forces. It was destroyed in the air and on the ground (according to Italian data) 88 enemy aircraft.

      88 OUR planes shot down ... Have nothing against it? Minus from me.
    6. tvgpvo
      tvgpvo 28 May 2020 21: 36 New
      +9
      You come to us in the Voronezh region in the region of Boguchar and Pavlovsk here the historical truth will be explained to you. Kolya from Urengoy has spawned unmeasured, but there are enough aspen for each in Russia.
  2. AllBiBek
    AllBiBek 28 May 2020 16: 03 New
    +9
    Even during the First World War, a proverb appeared: "God created the Italians so that even the Austrians could at least defeat someone in battle."
    1. svp67
      svp67 28 May 2020 17: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: AllBiBek
      Even during the First World War, a proverb appeared: "God created the Italians so that even the Austrians could at least defeat someone in battle."

      But this does not mean that they did not succeed either, or they were deprived of courage. The fighters of the "black prince" Borghese spoiled a lot of blood both for the British, in the Mediterranean Sea, and ours in the Black and Baltic
      1. halpat
        halpat 29 May 2020 08: 31 New
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        Quote: svp67
        Quote: AllBiBek
        Even during the First World War, a proverb appeared: "God created the Italians so that even the Austrians could at least defeat someone in battle."

        But this does not mean that they did not succeed either, or they were deprived of courage. The fighters of the "black prince" Borghese spoiled a lot of blood both for the British, in the Mediterranean Sea, and ours in the Black and Baltic

        The Italians are not bad saboteurs, probably. And mafiosi duck is even better.
        But they can’t stand firmly, and if serious hardships and deprivations of military service begin ... the Germans are tired of saving them during the Second World War, I suppose.
  3. Invoce
    Invoce 28 May 2020 16: 04 New
    -3
    All that I wrote was gone! Valenoks taught nothing to anyone. Yesterday's allies of Nazi Germany (Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, Spain) are poor countries, and the peoples defending the right to life - strive to become gastrobayters ...
    1. rich
      rich 28 May 2020 16: 23 New
      +1
      As Italian soldiers in 1943 near Voronezh learned the word "boots"

      From smart on a wool - to a fool on boots (Russian saying.)
      1. rich
        rich 28 May 2020 16: 47 New
        +8
        We went to Russia having fun
        photo 1942 Italians before sending to the Eastern Front

        Then it became no laughing matter
        photo 1943 Italian prisoners. Stalingrad
    2. Charik
      Charik 28 May 2020 17: 32 New
      0
      guest workers is someone visiting the store
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    4. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 28 May 2020 17: 53 New
      -5
      Quote: Invoce
      All that I wrote was gone! Valenoks taught nothing to anyone. Yesterday's allies of Nazi Germany (Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, Spain) are poor countries, and the peoples defending the right to life - strive to become gastrobayters ...


      In Italy, the standard of living is several times higher than the Russian, and Soviet, since the 70s. As in modern Spain, in principle.
      1. AllBiBek
        AllBiBek 28 May 2020 18: 20 New
        +1
        And then why didn’t they go to Italy or Spain before quarantine?

        The medicine there, by the way, is very good, everyone praises it.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 28 May 2020 18: 35 New
          +3
          I moved here from Israel, where the HDI is even higher than Italian and Spanish laughing
    5. Revolver
      Revolver 28 May 2020 19: 44 New
      0
      Quote: Invoce
      Yesterday's allies of Nazi Germany (Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, Spain) are poor countries, and the peoples defending the right to life - strive to become gastrobayters ...

      You do not equal Romania and Bulgaria with Spain and Italy, and even more so with Germany. Look at the numbers of GDP per capita and living standards. And also on who goes to zarobitchane, and to whom they go.
  4. Free wind
    Free wind 28 May 2020 16: 14 New
    +8
    The shoes got wet, but there weren’t any boots.
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 28 May 2020 16: 42 New
      +4
      Yes, here the globe is pulled on an owl, you correctly noticed.

      I came across a version that the Italians got into it due to the fact that the shoes of the Alpine divisions were on the sole of the ViBram company; Yeah, that one. At that time - a revolutionary solution, multi-layered corrugated sole made of synthetic rubber, Vittorio Bramine invented it just for mountain climbing, and the current boots of similar functionality - such are.

      But in the conditions of our off-season slush, it turned out that heavy shoes, on which several kg of dirt adhered, were a so-so solution both in the offensive and in the retreat. And the rubber sole, in addition to everything, very well draws heat out of the leg. Plus, due to the fact that a lump of dirt hangs on it - the sole comes off quickly, it is there on the threads around the perimeter.

      And by the time the frost hit - the Italians stupidly remained barefoot.
    2. vargo
      vargo 28 May 2020 16: 47 New
      +4
      Felt boots conducted less heat outside, thereby less melting snow on them outside, and less wet, from this. It was on ordinary snow that it was better in them. For better protection against getting wet, galoshes have already been used.
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 28 May 2020 17: 23 New
        +2
        Felt boots with galoshes rot in a couple of weeks if they are not dried. Shoes, boots will not get wet if they are soaked with shoe cream, shoe polish, fat, and the same tar. 20-30 frosts can withstand the presence of warm footcloths. I don’t think that the Fritz did not know this, especially if with alpine training.
        1. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek 28 May 2020 18: 07 New
          +4
          In mountain shoes in winter, walking down the plain on the knee in the snow is such a pleasure, you know ...

          She - for loose and for a strong infusion, and not for fast - by the standards of the plain - walk. Shove it through the snow knee-deep - only in the presence of boot covers, and, preferably, snowshoes, foot mobility in it - no.

          And - I strongly doubt that the entire personnel of their mountain divisions conducted training in the zone of year-round snow, maximum in the foothills, stupidly learned to act on rough terrain.

          They have been at home there since antiquity in caligas and other neduvobuv used to fight.

          What can I say, about ten years or a little more before the events concerned, the Italians poked at the North Pole in an airship (!), And at the same time they didn’t even bother with the stocks of warm clothes, they were not at all puzzled by warm clothes.

          The airship was called - but how else? - "Italy."
          1. seagull
            seagull 30 May 2020 14: 21 New
            0
            The surviving expedition members were rescued by the Krasin icebreaker. Now it stands in St. Petersburg, like a museum.
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 28 May 2020 16: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Free Wind
      The shoes got wet, but there weren’t any boots.

      Same question..

      Felt boots for dry snow in frosty weather.

      And the mentioned events of December-January of 43 g in most frosts and happened.

      It’s enough to recall the bumpy road, near Stalingrad, where the “bumps” were the corpses of the Germans who had frozen to a stony state and completely paved it ....
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 28 May 2020 17: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Free Wind
      The shoes got wet, but there weren’t any boots.

      It depends on where, if in Transbaikalia, they didn’t get wet there, but walk around Moscow in felt boots, which is on water.
  5. alone
    alone 28 May 2020 16: 16 New
    +1
    The Italian divisions all had names up to one ... Apart from high-profile names, they were nothing. And at the front were considered a powerful burden for the Wehrmacht
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 28 May 2020 17: 13 New
      0
      Well, the Germans also gave names to their divisions.
      1. alone
        alone 28 May 2020 17: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: Free Wind
        Well, the Germans also gave names to their divisions.

        Well, do not compare the Germans and Italians .. One North African company is an example of this ... Rommel had more problems from Italians than from the British .. Yes, and the Greek company also proved that the Italian army is not able to independently solve the tasks assigned to it .. The only the success of the Italians is the war in Ethiopia, where they were opposed by Africans armed with spears and muskets
        1. Free wind
          Free wind 28 May 2020 17: 30 New
          +1
          Let them in Africa have a little idea, I’m only for it. To us for what hell was to climb. Moreover, when the muslins were arrested, Hitler would lose an ally.
          1. alone
            alone 28 May 2020 17: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: Free Wind
            Let them in Africa have a little idea, I’m only for it. To us for what hell was to climb. Moreover, when the muslins were arrested, Hitler would lose an ally.

            Mussolini also wanted to snatch a piece of "pie" .. At first it was a mechanized corps, then the 8th full-fledged army .. Hitler had no options .. Fighting on three fronts requires people and equipment, resources .. Without Romanians, Hungarians and Italians the whole the 1942 summer campaign would simply be a farce ..
        2. Engineer
          Engineer 28 May 2020 18: 21 New
          0
          Rommel had more problems from Italians than from English


          Ariete, Centauro, Folgore, bersaliers - solid problems

          Under El Alamein, Rommel threw Ariete under a British ice rink, holding them for at least a day. mainly due to this and slipped away
          1. alone
            alone 28 May 2020 18: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Engineer
            Under El Alamein, Rommel threw Ariete under a British ice rink, holding them for at least a day. mainly due to this and slipped away

            Well, if you look at the history of the entire North African company, having 236 thousand soldiers against 66 thousand Aglits (30 thousand of them Egyptians), having tremendous superiority in tanks, artillery and aviation, managed to be completely defeated, having lost 118 thousand killed and captured (115 thousand captured). . You will not believe, the British lost only 555 people forever ..
            Italians have always been a burden
            1. Engineer
              Engineer 28 May 2020 18: 44 New
              0
              You provide data for the operation Compass (Battle of Marmarika). This is not the whole North African campaign. Two month.
              There were other episodes
              At the end of the battle of El Alamein, Harry Zinder of Time magazine noted that the Italians paratroopers fought better than had been expected, and commented that: "In the south, the famed Folgore Paratroopers Division fought to the last round of ammunition
              1. alone
                alone 28 May 2020 18: 51 New
                +1
                Yes ... it was after this that Hitler had to send the first German units there in order to save Mussolini .. And then he also had to save him in Greece.
                1. Engineer
                  Engineer 28 May 2020 18: 58 New
                  0
                  Then do not write "for the whole North African company"
                  Yes, the Italians drank then notably
                  But it was different.
                  On October 24-25, 1942, Folgore's positions were attacked by three divisions and two Allied brigades. Paratroopers held their positions
                  1. alone
                    alone 28 May 2020 19: 14 New
                    0
                    Quote: Engineer
                    Then do not write "for the whole North African company"

                    For the entire North African campaign, the Italians really did not differ much, except for a couple of episodes, which strategically did not solve anything .. Oh yes, I forgot ... But once they showed themselves well ... They shot down an airplane of the Commander-in-Chief of the Italian troops, Marshal Balbo .. That's and whole italian army
                    1. Engineer
                      Engineer 28 May 2020 19: 20 New
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                      You see, you composed the phrase so that substitute “Italians” for “Germans” will not change anything). The Germans also did not have strategic successes in Africa.
                      The Italians are warriors themselves. But their best connections were definitely a good help for Rommel. And the Italian fleet, cursed by everyone (deservedly) for two years, somehow supplied the group with the Germans.
                      1. alone
                        alone 28 May 2020 19: 29 New
                        0
                        Quote: Engineer
                        The Germans also did not have strategic successes in Africa.

                        And I do not argue that the Germans had strategic successes .. The main success of the Germans was that they were able to delay the landing of the allies in Italy by two small forces ..
                        But in fact the Germans in general should not have been there in theory .. The Italian army was supposed to close the Suez Canal .. Livia was then an Italian colony, and the army that was there (16 divisions, 600 tanks, thousands of guns and more than 300 aircraft) should to break the resistance of 4 divisions without tanks, 2 of which were Egyptian .. Managed to lose
                      2. Revolver
                        Revolver 28 May 2020 20: 00 New
                        +1
                        If Rommel in time received replenishment of people, equipment, and ammunition, which he had hoped for, and which was originally planned to be sent to him, most likely he would have driven the British to Cairo and further beyond the Suez Canal. Explain how this would affect the logistics of the Allies, and in particular on the Iranian Lend-Lease route, or is it so clear? But almost everything that was planned for Africa, due to unplanned problems in Paulus, was thrown into the meat grinder of Stalingrad. Not that it really helped Paulus in the end.
                      3. stasimar
                        stasimar 29 May 2020 08: 20 New
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                        There were months when Rommel received only three percent of the planned, the rest was drowned by the British
              2. Liam
                Liam 28 May 2020 19: 51 New
                -1
                Quote: Engineer
                Yes, the Italians drank then notably

                Both the British and the Germans were draping in the same way. TVD features. The Germans and Italians had a base in Libya, the British had in Egypt. As soon as they got to the enemy’s base and communications stretched out, a massive drape. This pendulum swung back and forth 3 times. Both the Germans and the British there are no less epic than the Italians
                1. Engineer
                  Engineer 28 May 2020 19: 53 New
                  0
                  I know it.
                  And in general, I argued that the descendants of Romulus did not suck). So not at the address.
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 28 May 2020 19: 55 New
                    -1
                    I didn’t accuse him of anything). You wrote everything correctly. And your interlocutor has stamped stereotypes)
                  2. Engineer
                    Engineer 28 May 2020 19: 56 New
                    0
                    OK. So I hastened to conclusions. I apologize if I touched
                  3. Liam
                    Liam 28 May 2020 20: 02 New
                    -1
                    hi
                    The whole history of the Wehrmacht allies goes through this prism of memories of German generals who blamed them. Although strictly chronologically the collapse of the Allied front is a consequence of the collapse of the German front near Stalingrad), the Italian mountain shooters were practically deprived of the VET funds that the Germans had to provide. There was simply nothing was to fend off tank attacks
                2. alone
                  alone 28 May 2020 20: 25 New
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                  Quote: Liam
                  I didn’t accuse him of anything). You wrote everything correctly. And your interlocutor has stamped stereotypes)

                  Yes, there is no cliche .. The Italian Royal Armed Forces were a weak link during the Second World War .. Yes, a large army, but not completely ready, technically backward, with low morale .. It's the same fact ... I do not deny that some units could show steadfastness in battles, fought as they could, etc. .. But entirely, if you take the Italian army was a burden for its allies hi
                3. Liam
                  Liam 28 May 2020 21: 43 New
                  -1
                  Everything is known by comparison. The Italians fought before the beginning of the year 43. What armies shone during the period 40-42 except the Wehrmacht?). The British, the French, the Americans? Or maybe the Red Army? Remind the military way and the losses of the Red Army during this period? How many kilometers are there from Bialystok to the Volga and how many millions of dead and prisoners?
  6. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 28 May 2020 19: 10 New
    -1
    The powerful Italian fleet was not combat-ready, preferred to sit out in the harbor.
    1. alone
      alone 28 May 2020 19: 20 New
      -1
      Quote: Alex Justice
      The powerful Italian fleet was not combat-ready, preferred to sit out in the harbor.

      That's right ... The whole burden of the struggle was taken over by an Italian group of underwater saboteurs
  • Alf
    Alf 28 May 2020 19: 12 New
    0
    Quote: lonely
    The only success of the Italians is the war in Ethiopia, where they were opposed by Africans armed with spears and muskets

    And even then, success appeared when the pasta used military warfare agents; before that, it was somehow impossible to successfully fight.
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 28 May 2020 17: 54 New
    +2
    Quote: lonely
    The Italian divisions all had names up to one ... Apart from high-profile names, they were nothing. And at the front were considered a powerful burden for the Wehrmacht

    But do not. Italian divisions were extremely important on the Eastern Front - they divided Romanians and Hungarians, who otherwise would have clung to each other's throats (Transylvanian Question, Adnakka). smile
    1. alone
      alone 28 May 2020 18: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Alexey RA
      But do not. Italian divisions were extremely important on the Eastern Front - they divided Romanians and Hungarians, who otherwise would have clung to each other's throats

      The Hungarians and Romanians could be divided by the German army .. And secondly, the Romanians were part of the army group DON, and the Hungarians in the army group B. I think this is an accident
      If there were such an option, the Hungarians would be sent to the Center, or to the Leningrad direction
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 28 May 2020 18: 36 New
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        Quote: lonely
        Hungarians and Romanians could be divided by the German army

        It will be too bold - she will spend a lot of time on such a woman. smile
  • knn54
    knn54 28 May 2020 16: 36 New
    +2
    The first Lugansk monument to Lenin, cast in bronze during the lifetime of Vladimir Ilyich, was taken out of Lugansk during the 2nd World War by the Italian invaders on the personal instructions of Mussolini, who was introduced to Lenin in 1900.
    1. Theodore
      Theodore 28 May 2020 17: 01 New
      0
      The icon is so-so, acquired Duce! laughing
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 28 May 2020 20: 03 New
      0
      Incidentally, in the telegram of greetings to Lenin from the Italian, it was either the Socialist Party or the Communist Party, on the occasion of the success of the October Revolution, among others there is the signature of Mussolini.
  • Charik
    Charik 28 May 2020 17: 28 New
    +2
    It’s necessary to call some rocket VALENKI, I think they will understand a hint
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 28 May 2020 20: 04 New
      0
      Maybe the Hat is better? lol
  • Borz
    Borz 28 May 2020 18: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: tihonmarine
    those who came to kill our people must be destroyed.



    ALL soldiers of foreign armies who came to our land with weapons in their hands should have been destroyed. ALL captured, had to restore everything that was destroyed, and then to the wall. For no one called them. They came to kill and enslave. And there is no forgiveness for them. ALL had to be left in the Russian land, to which they brought so much misery and suffering.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 28 May 2020 20: 06 New
      +1
      I lived in a house built by the Germans in 1946 according to a German project. Well built, high quality, and the layout is comfortable. The whole area is built up by the Germans.
      1. Borz
        Borz 28 May 2020 21: 14 New
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        Here I am about the same. They built it well, but we don’t need it differently. And this is all the memory that could be preserved about them. Not a single enemy soldier should have returned to his homeland from captivity.
  • Sergey M. Karasev
    Sergey M. Karasev 28 May 2020 18: 07 New
    -3
    In the first huts they came across, they tried to explain that they were ready to give up their weapons and everything that they had valuable (someone had personal jewelry - wedding rings, gold or silver crosses), for the sake of “Russian shoes”. Under Russian shoes were, of course, felt boots.

    Unbelievable! With what joy they would begin to change weapons to felt boots when it was possible to simply take them away under the threat of the same weapon. In terms of looting and looting, Italians were not much different from Germans.
    1. alone
      alone 28 May 2020 18: 53 New
      -1
      Quote: Sergey Karasev
      In terms of looting and looting, Italians were not much different from Germans.

      Absolutely nothing was different
    2. Alf
      Alf 28 May 2020 19: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Sergey Karasev
      With what joy they would begin to change weapons to felt boots when it was possible to simply take them away under the threat of the same weapon.

      I heard such a phrase- In the early days of the occupation, Italians drank all the moonshine in the village and began to hunt for girls, but without violence. After a two-week stay of the Italian unit in the village, partisans began walking along the village streets with weapons.
      And from someone else's memories. When the Italians walked through the village, the locals brought them food, so h ... they looked bad.
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 28 May 2020 22: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: Sergey Karasev
      With what joy they would begin to change weapons to felt boots when it was possible to simply take them away under the threat of the same weapon.

      Is it like buy a brick?
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 28 May 2020 19: 29 New
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    Black shirts from the 63 Legion of the "Parliament". You were convinced by the Nazis. But it was worse when the Romanian part entered the robbery was ensured. My grandmother remembers how Catholics Italians beat Orthodox Romanians for robbery laughing
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    Gennady Fomkin 28 May 2020 19: 32 New
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    A memory photo near the building of a kindergarten & quot; Smile A memory photo near the building of the Smile kindergarten, built personally by veterans of the Alpine shooters for the little inhabitants of Rossosh, as a sign of correcting their mistakes made during the Second World War and redeeming historical guilt before the peoples of the USSR (although, of course, you cannot atone for guilt. But still such goodwill gestures and helping the city is a good step bringing our peoples together. I haven’t heard the Germans do something similar in the 90s, although their guilt is not comparable to Italian). Even Italian retired generals took part in the work, including the son of Italo Gariboldi, commander of the 8th Italian army, who was a lieutenant during the Great Patriotic War.
    At the place where the kindergarten now stands, there was a building that the Alpines dismantled into dugouts in the cold winter of 42/43. In the basement of the kindergarten there is also the Rossosh Museum of Local Lore, with a large exposition on the Great Patriotic War and a museum of the Italians staying in Russia, in which one hall is dedicated to the war and the defeat of the Italian army on the Don, and the second hall reveals the theme of friendship between our peoples that arose in the 90s when Italians reached out to Rossoshanskaya land - veterans, their descendants, public figures and historians. This is largely due to the local historian Alim Yakovlevich Morozov, who, as a boy, first met the Italians back in 1942. But that's another story..
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      Revolver 28 May 2020 22: 53 New
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      as a sign of correction of their mistakes committed during the Second World War and redemption of historical guilt before the peoples of the USSR

      Better late than never.
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    Gennady Fomkin 28 May 2020 20: 06 New
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    The main explanation for the decline in morale was the reluctance of soldiers to fight for alien and incomprehensible goals. “When an Italian soldier knows what he is fighting for,” said the bersalier of the 3rd regiment of the Chelere division, “he is fighting not bad, as it was during the time of Garibaldi. In the same war, soldiers not only do not know what they are fighting for, but they did not want and do not want this war. Therefore, they only think about how to return home. ” Without exception, all prisoners spoke of a decline in discipline in their units, and the majority expressed dissatisfaction with their officers, who were poorly trained tactically and poorly engaged with soldiers. Many complained about food, and especially about the lack of winter uniforms.
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    Gennady Fomkin 28 May 2020 20: 20 New
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    The documents of the headquarters of the Soviet troops indicated two main groups of reasons explaining this situation. Firstly, the Italians realized the aimlessness of war. The summary of the political and moral state of the Italian divisions said: “The Italian people have no hostile feelings towards the peoples of the Soviet Union. Most of the soldiers and some officers of the Italian army believe that Italy does not need this war. " And further: “Despite the lavish farewell in Italy and loud speeches, even then a significant part of the soldiers and some officers believed that Italy had no reason to fight against the Soviet Union. After the losses suffered and the protracted war, its meaninglessness became especially evident.
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    Horror 29 May 2020 08: 06 New
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    Yes, Russian boots it was also a weapon of victory!

    I read memoirs of a veteran comfrey:
    December 41st lull, the trenches of the Fritzes are not far away (drunk cries are heard; I celebrate Christmas) And before that, the whole battalion was changed into boots and short fur coats .. And I want to drink some horror! So we found reckless ones .. Crawled almost close to the German trenches and stuck a sort of roller with a wire and back at home too .. And they tied the felt boots with a note “Schnapps” and sent them to the Fritz .. In about 10 minutes later the bottle with schnapps came back .. In short by morning, almost the entire battalion had changed its shoes and was drunk in the insole ... And in the afternoon the general arrived at the checkpoint. The picture was creepy. The fume stood and the soldiers were without felt boots, etc. ..
    In general, I don’t remember exactly what the general said. But the order was like that if you didn’t return everyone to the tribunal by morning, etc.
    In short, by night they sobered up and silently without a command went to the German trenches without firing a single knife and fists .. In short, the boots were returned ... And then another week the screams from the German trenches rang out "Russ Ivan, return the boots ...." This is not a bike told. as I remember from the memoirs .. hi