Democracy as a latent dictatorship of crime


Everything flows, everything changes. The attitude of people towards social phenomena is also changing. It is interesting, in my opinion, how the opinion regarding democracy has changed.


In the 80s of the last century, democracy was a city on a hill for the entire progressive intelligentsia of the country - from Andrei Sakharov to Valeria Novodvorskaya. This word itself was pronounced aspirated with admiration and desire. Therefore, when the fighter with privileges, Yeltsin, following the pattern of actions of the previous revolutionary, climbed onto the tank, all Muscovites who were free from work and study enthusiastically supported him. Indeed, unlike the Chinese authorities, which stopped the riots in Tiananmen Square, the Soviet leadership no longer had political will and Tanks were on the streets only for entourage.

The crowd received a Western bottling democracy, which was considered the greatest happiness in this world. But she soon realized that this was not entirely true, as everything around began to rapidly collapse. The attempt to restrain the process was thwarted by the shooting of the Supreme Council from tank guns to the applause of the entire world, the most progressive and humane community.

The human blood spilled on the Moscow streets by the new regime led to a sharp change in attitude towards the old ideal. The people realized that real democracy is not as white and fluffy as foreign voices sang. Statements of the type appeared: now only complete villains and hopeless idiots will stand for democracy. Or: decent people should not fight for democracy, but against this world evil.

The attitude towards the media has also changed, which they began to call either SMPO (means of mass psychological processing) or SMPP (means of mass psychological defeat). There was a realization that the previously revered "free press" on a par with Hollywood is in fact the propaganda apparatus of the White House and Westminster.

However, these thoughts remained mainly in the past, along with short-circuited “shovels” editions, for the information mainstream defended the exact opposite position, diligently washing out the new regime for all these decades.

But the image of democracy is still very dim. History irrefutably testifies that the democrats have committed so many crimes that even the Nazis cannot reach them. So, if the Nazis destroyed tens of millions of people, then the Democrats at one time almost exterminated the population of two continents: Sev. America and Australia. And Hitler copied the concentration camps for civilians with the British Democrats, who were the first to use them against women, children and the elderly during the Boer War. And many democratic and Nazi attitudes are similar as twins. For example, the Nazis assert their right to kill the "Unterman" - people whom they declared inappropriate to the rank of man. And the Democrats affirmed the right of adults to kill unborn children, depriving these children of the title of man by their laws. If we look at materials on abortion in Russia after perestroika, we will see that a lot more people have already been killed by the democratic regime than the Nazis were able to do in the four years of the most terrible war.

Why is there such a discrepancy between the image of democracy created by "independent media" and reality?

Consider the basis of democratic power - universal, equitable elections. Since in today's urbanized society people do not even know the neighbors in the stairwell, they make their choice by voting solely on the basis of whom the “independent media” will present better. And they’re better at promoting the one who pays them the most. And the one who has the most money will pay more. And more of them from the one who steals more. For a priori you cannot earn a lot of money, you can only steal a lot of money. As a result, the most “successful” crime comes to power without alternative, which on behalf of the people establishes its own order, the ruthlessness of which it demonstrates when it sees fit. As was the case with the execution of the opposition Supreme Council.

This is the essence of the latent, but real dictatorship of crime in a democracy.

Thus, as we see, democratic elections are as fiction as a free press.

The current situation with coronavirus also looks interesting in this plane. The accusation of Americans against the Chinese immediately reminded me of an ancient thieves' reception: when a thief carried out a theft, he was the first to start shouting “hold the thief” to confuse those around him.

It is also alarming that the Americans themselves are opposed to an independent investigation into the history of the virus. Given that they used biological weapon Against the Indians, we can say that this is possible now. Moreover, the whole of Eurasia is strewn with American biological laboratories.

A special operation to spread coronavirus from Chinese territory could well cause significant harm to the current main geopolitical rival of the United States. But here, China can only be a secondary goal. The main thing may be the victory of the Democratic Party in the upcoming elections in the United States. After all, the democrats represent the interests of the "deep state".

This is supported by the fact that Trump did not appreciate the real threat of the virus at the very beginning. So, experts did not convey it to the president for some reason. The scale of the victims that the American people suffered due to untimely measures is also alarming. They literally go through the roof and will definitely be charged with Trump immediately before the election. By the way, most of the dead in the USA are not subject to autopsy, which makes it possible to record everyone in a row as COVID victims.

I’m not a British ex-minister, so I can’t afford to slip into a vulgar position: I have no evidence, but I have no doubt ... Of course, the pandemic situation requires a serious and objective investigation. However, these assumptions are very organically combined into one complete whole.
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  1. Dmitry from Voronezh 29 May 2020 05: 20 New
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    One cannot disagree with some thoughts of the author. Democracy is a fiction, it is the rule of big capital acquired by hook or by crook. However, it is not clear why these few lines about the coronavirus are needed? I started writing about democracy - I would have done a full article. There is much more that could be added. And coronavirus is a separate big problem.
    1. Vladimir_2U 29 May 2020 05: 45 New
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      I’m not a British ex-minister, so I can’t afford to slip into a vulgar position: I have no evidence, but I have no doubt
      However, the author slipped into this questionable comparison:
      when the privilege fighter Yeltsin, following the pattern of action of the previous revolutionary, climbed onto the tank
      It’s a pity to not put a minus article.
      1. Pessimist22 29 May 2020 06: 56 New
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        Short article: Democracy is complete bullshit! But isn’t America spreading the virus? laughing
        1. depressant 29 May 2020 08: 26 New
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          Pessimist 22, I would say differently. The article in short: it is acceptable to assume that it is the American Democrats that have spread the coronavirus around the world. Trump is a Republican! But the democrats don’t give a damn about their own population, the more they die, the better, the upcoming elections are worth it! And even more so, they don’t give a damn and sneeze at the population of the rest of the world.
          1. Nemo1976 30 May 2020 00: 09 New
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            Quote: depressant
            it is the American democrats that have spread the coronavirus all over the world. Trump is a Republican

            There is no difference between the American Democrats and the Republicans, except for the name of their parties.
        2. Normal ok 29 May 2020 21: 58 New
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          Quote: Pessimist22
          Short article: Democracy is complete bullshit! But isn’t America spreading the virus? laughing

          A neighbor, through a hole in the wall, lets out gases. "Zoshchenko.
        3. Baskak 29 May 2020 22: 04 New
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          Quote: Pessimist22
          But isn’t America spreading the virus?

          Everything is possible. Maybe the states spread the virus ...
      2. Basil50 29 May 2020 07: 06 New
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        In America, democracy was initially ridiculed in the original sense of this system. Democracy - the power of the owner of the land allotment in which the slaves process this same plot of land.
        Today's USA does not try to capture the colonies by military force. Today they are buying the governments of the countries that are looked after by the colony. Conveniently, the government itself and its own population pacifies and robs, exporting the loot to the United States. Those who disagree to sell their own MOTHERLAND were persecuted, killed, and compromised.
        What is being condemned this is not even secondary, so is the accompaniment of the robbery and no more, today some are trending there, tomorrow there will be others trending, the main thing is beautiful and loud.
        The basis of the seizure of power in the country is bribery and killing of those who disagree for sale. We are all seen.
        1. Octopus 29 May 2020 08: 38 New
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          Quote: Vasily50
          Conveniently, the government itself and its own population pacifies and robs, exporting the loot to the United States.

          How interesting. Excuse me, but specifically, what country are you talking about? Oh, say, Canada or, say, Russia?
          1. Nyrobsky 29 May 2020 13: 07 New
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            Quote: Octopus
            Quote: Vasily50
            Conveniently, the government itself and its own population pacifies and robs, exporting the loot to the United States.

            How interesting. Sorry, but specifically What country are you talking about? Oh, say, Canada or, say, Russia?

            Canada, then what side do you have, for Russia at once and ask? Specifically, this is now fully happening in your Ukraine. After 91 years, the same thing happened in Russia (war, economic collapse, debt bondage, default) which, after the 2000s, got out of control of mattresses and partially regained its independence, although it is still vulnerable in matters of financial and economic activity. Only if Russia had something to rely on in order to gird itself and begin to recover (energy), then your Ukraine has no drivers for economic growth and a way out of the crisis, just as there is no person in power able to distance itself from mattress custody and break the situation in favor of Ukraine, and therefore your ill-intentioned Vlad, as before, will "pacify and export."
            1. Octopus 29 May 2020 13: 47 New
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              Quote: Nyrobsky
              Canada is what you side

              Canada is one of the main trading partners of the United States and is located very convenient for the occupation, literally everything is nearby.
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              then your Ukraine has no drivers for economic growth

              Yes, Ukraine has its own problems, I will not argue. And what is so viciously exported from Ukraine to the States, fat? There seems to be no money at all, there is nothing to take out.
              1. Nyrobsky 29 May 2020 14: 59 New
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                Quote: Octopus
                Yes, Ukraine has its own problems, I will not argue. And what is so viciously exported from Ukraine to the States, fat? There seems to be no money at all, there is nothing to take out.

                Are you serious now, or are you kidding? Sale of state assets for nothing and repayment of loans with interest accruing on them, is this your dust?
                1. Octopus 29 May 2020 16: 49 New
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                  And what do you consider in this scheme a robbery? Interest payments? The repayment of loans? Or did the Americans steal these loans, and not the Ukrainian party under any president?
              2. vavilon 31 May 2020 13: 03 New
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                All the gold that was after Yanukovych was exported to the states by Yatsenyuk from the very beginning of the arrival of the Maidan government, and now there is nothing but the earth, here they will still grab the earth, then there will really be a bare and barefoot Ukraine, or rather its people
        2. Baskak 29 May 2020 22: 08 New
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          Quote: Vasily50
          Today's US does not try to capture the colonies with military force

          Controversial statement. If we recall their invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, it turns out that sometimes they use military force to capture new colonies.
    2. knn54 29 May 2020 06: 54 New
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      “Democracy takes away the trifles that the dictatorship gave the people - work, housing, stability - and gives freedom in return.”
      Leonid Vladimirovich Shebarshin, lieutenant general, KGB chief of the SVR of the USSR.
      I recall the words spoken during the Maidan by an American politician-Do not do as we do. Do as we "recommend."
      And as Louis Corvalan said: “The collapse of the USSR and the countries of Eastern Europe does not mean failure, and even more so the end of socialism as such. It is only about the failure of a certain type of socialism, which was characterized by bureaucracy that was distant from the people” ...
      1. Pessimist22 29 May 2020 07: 12 New
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        I agree that capitalist socialism, as in Sweden, Norway, Germany, is better than socialist socialism in the USSR, with party nomenclature and separate shops for the higher "members" of the CPSU.
        1. dauria 30 May 2020 01: 48 New
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          I agree, capitalist socialism, as in Sweden, Norway, Germany, is better than socialist socialism in the USSR,


          Unfortunately, there was no socialism in the USSR. There was the highest form of capitalism - the monopoly of one owner. The owner by the name of "State" was the owner of everything, everything and rules through the board of directors with the chairman at the head. And all-all (including members of the board of directors) were wage workers without any property.
          In its purest form, capitalism is in the highest stage of monopoly. What, isn't it? And even if there was no real type with the surname "State Ivan Petrovich" - what's the difference? He washed down, went to the taiga, spit on everyone and sits in a bathhouse with girls, but sends a messenger to the board of directors behind a box of vodka and devours a bit. He doesn’t ask much, he’s not interested in anything.
          And the directors would be happy to rob the owner, remember the old one - he could turn his head off, he asked coolly for the farm and demanded working cattle to be kept decently. wink
          Good picture? But it was so. And the funniest thing is that having destroyed the bourgeoisie themselves they put on their neck the coolest bourgeois in the world - the owner of everything, everything that is in the country. And they themselves went to him as laborers. And with a happy smile. Forgetting his own "Marxist" formula - the unity and struggle of opposites. You cannot completely defeat the bourgeoisie, and you cannot completely defeat the proletarians. There these nits are fighting each other. Some rip off, while others are on strike. So they crawl along the road without falling into either the left or the right ditch.
      2. Octopus 29 May 2020 08: 39 New
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        Quote: knn54
        only about the failure of a certain type of socialism, which was characterized by bureaucracy, which was distant from the people "...

        Here is comrade Chavez and Comrade Maduro built the right socialism.
        1. Baskak 29 May 2020 22: 10 New
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          Quote: Octopus
          Chavez and Comrade Maduro built the right socialism

          USA prevents Maduro to build a modern socialist state. And not only the US is bothering them.
          1. Octopus 29 May 2020 23: 52 New
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            Quote: Baskak
            And not only the US is bothering them.

            What are you leading to? If the Americans do not take oil - then the right socialism can not be built already?
        2. chenia 30 May 2020 09: 42 New
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          Quote: Octopus
          Here is comrade Chavez and Comrade Maduro built the right socialism.


          What about proper capitalism in Ukraine?
          And here you can just compare. Before and after.
      3. unaha 29 May 2020 09: 05 New
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        “Democracy takes away the trifles that the dictatorship gave the people - work, housing, stability - and gives freedom in return.“ - How can “democracy”, ie the right to elect, take away something? Perhaps using your right should be used to it’s time to choose a head, not a “heart” (kidneys, liver there ...). And why is freedom bad? In prison, too, quite - “work, housing, stability”.
        By the way, the USSR was also nominally a democracy - deputies and councils of all levels were elected. The real authorities really didn’t have ...
        Why contrast “freedom” and “work, housing, stability”? They are completely incompatible do you think? )))
        1. Octopus 29 May 2020 10: 04 New
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          Quote: unaha
          Why contrast “freedom” and “work, housing, stability”? They are completely incompatible do you think? )))

          Конечно.

          As you correctly noticed, work, housing and stability are given to a person by a prison. The sighs about good socialism resemble precisely the old zk, which has settled down in the zone, enjoys some respect, and no one needs it in the wild. It’s especially fun that the author, with the usual for this kind analysts illiteracy, contrasts democracy and developed socialism, although the dictatorship must defend democracy and capitalism must defend socialism. But for some reason such speakers avoid the word "dictatorship", although why be shy?

          That there is a dictatorship, but for some reason there is no happiness and socialism?
          1. unaha 29 May 2020 10: 23 New
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            “with the illiteracy that is common for analysts of this kind” is more likely a manipulation and substitution of concepts.
        2. Slavs 29 May 2020 10: 49 New
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          Quote: unaha
          how is "democracy" i.e. the right to elect, can take away something?

          Well then, let “democracy” at least return money from the savings book ..)
          1. unaha 29 May 2020 11: 27 New
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            Alas, she is not able to return the money either))) She only gives the right to elect and be elected, but also a full measure of responsibility for her choice.
            1. Slavs 29 May 2020 11: 35 New
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              Quote: unaha
              Alas, she is not able to return the money either))) She only gives the right to elect and be elected, but also a full measure of responsibility for her choice.

              Bravo !!
              Or "the will of God" - if it’s good, or "the machinations of the devil" - if it’s bad ..))) There is an answer to everything))
      4. beeper 30 May 2020 15: 21 New
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        Quote: knn54
        “Democracy takes away the trifles that the dictatorship gave the people - work, housing, stability - and gives freedom in return.”
        Leonid Vladimirovich Shebarshin, lieutenant general, KGB chief of the SVR of the USSR.
        I recall the words spoken during the Maidan by an American politician-Do not do as we do. Do as we "recommend."
        And as Louis Corvalan said: “The collapse of the USSR and the countries of Eastern Europe does not mean failure, and even more so the end of socialism as such. It is only about the failure of a certain type of socialism, which was characterized by bureaucracy that was distant from the people” ...

        hi Our Leonid Vladimirovich Shebarshin and the Chilean Luis Corvalan were the smartest and very courageous people- were not afraid to tell the truth!
    3. onega67 29 May 2020 07: 30 New
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      Democracy is the power of the people! The power of the AMERICAN people !!!
      1. depressant 29 May 2020 08: 31 New
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        Yes, exactly, colleague. Americans are colonizers with the indestructible psychology of the slave owner.
      2. Baskak 29 May 2020 22: 12 New
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        Quote: onega67
        Democracy is the power of the people! The power of the AMERICAN people !!!

        Modern neoliberal democracy is the power of American capital.
    4. Civil 29 May 2020 07: 35 New
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      Therefore, this backward and impoverished West is rotting. Here we have the heyday in Russia, the island of prosperity and stability! Welfare and standard of living inaccessible to all sorts of Washington and Brussels. The highest incomes of citizens, the best medicine and education in the world. The highest pensions in the world! The author write a lot, his eyes lie.
      1. Lyuba1965_01 29 May 2020 12: 11 New
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        Yes, you are right, Russia is a poor country compared to Europe and the States.
        But where did the wealth of these countries come from?
        The states profited and profit from practically any war in the world, walked well on the revolutions in Russia, and the collapse of the USSR, on the First and Second World Wars, due to the influence of the dollar, But at the same time it is a bankrupt country, a country that owes everything to the world, its debt is 100% of GDP.
        Great Britain became rich through the robbery of its colonies around the world, in slavery, because it was she who led the largest slave trade in the world in the 18th century. Diven, a lecturer at the London School of Economics, writes bluntly: "Slavery played a crucial role in the development of both the British Empire and the modern integrated world economy."
        How much gold did the Czechs export from our country during the revolution? You don’t know?
        Switzerland, a world banker, has risen in many respects due to the secrecy of bank deposits. But now, it seems to me, her arrogance will be reduced due to the fact that this secret will no longer be guaranteed to depositors.
        Spain exported gold from South America by ships, and this made it rich.
        France also rose at the expense of its colonies.
        It’s a bit foggy with Germany. Some financiers and economic analysts cannot understand where money comes from from time to time in Germany, as if from nowhere, and they make assumptions that the NSDP gold did not disappear, it lies somewhere in some banks, and Germany sometimes takes a little from there so that it is not so clearly visible. Well, okay, this assumption is not proven. But the fact that Germany is culturally robbing the Young Europeans is a fact. Officially, it is considered a donor to the EU, but at the same time it creates conditions that join C, under which these countries go bankrupt, and Germany takes over everything.
        If we talk about the Emirates, the cost of oil production there is much lower than ours, however, we sell it all at the same price on the world market, so our revenue at least per barrel of oil is much lower. So the comparison with the Emirates is clearly not correctly.
        I can go through all the rich European countries this way, but is it over if you do not want to see anything?
        You do not want to understand that Russia did not rob anyone, did not have colonies, did not engage in the slave trade, and in all wars it only lost and then recovered for a long time.
        You also forgot our story.
        Only in the last 100 years: the war with Japan, the First World War, the revolution with a complete change in the political and economic system, which is very hard on the country's economy, the civil war on the Entente, the Second World War, during which many cities were destroyed, with / economy, millions of victims, perestroika (be it wrong) coup in 1991 also with a complete change of economic and political course.
        At the same time, the USSR / RF all the time under some sort of sanctions ... I would look at the very same States, if so many things had happened at their table for a short time.
        But at the same time, we still exist on the map!
    5. Svarog 29 May 2020 08: 48 New
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      But the image of democracy is still very dim. History irrefutably testifies that democrats have committed so many crimes that even the Nazis cannot reach them.

      When Chubais was ready to put 20 mil on the altar of democracy .. didn’t it then become clear who the democrats were ..
      However, it is not clear why these few lines about the coronavirus are needed? I started writing about democracy - I would have done a full article. There is much more that could be added. And coronavirus is a separate big problem.


      As a result, the most “successful" crime comes to power without alternative, which on behalf of the people establishes its own order, the ruthlessness of which it demonstrates when it sees fit

      It is difficult to disagree .. in many ways the author is right.
      1. unaha 29 May 2020 09: 10 New
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        "As a result, it has no alternative to power" - if it is "no alternative", this is no longer democracy, but rather a political oligopoly.
    6. tihonmarine 29 May 2020 09: 38 New
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      Quote: Dmitry from Voronezh
      Democracy is a fiction, it is the rule of big capital acquired by hook or by crook.

      As JV Stalin said, "Democracy is a perverted form of the bourgeois state."
      1. New Year day 29 May 2020 09: 55 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        As JV Stalin said, "Democracy is a perverted form of the bourgeois state."

        and if the elections have made no sense at all, like ours, then what form and state?
        1. depressant 29 May 2020 12: 54 New
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          Dr. Silvestr, it is a caricature. Mocking parody. The worst of Western democracy has been taken. Mafia clans. Corrupt officialdom under the beautiful name of "lobby". Said the "lobby", and everything seems to be decent. Corruption in the ranks of law enforcement. Alien industry, science, medicine are almost killed. All this is, the greatness of the country was blown away.
        2. tihonmarine 29 May 2020 14: 32 New
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          Quote: Silvestr
          and if the elections have made no sense at all, like ours, then what form and state?

          Any state where there is an electoral system.
      2. Lister 29 May 2020 13: 05 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        As JV Stalin said, "Democracy is a perverted form of the bourgeois state."

        I have not seen such an expression in Joseph Vissarionovich.
        Here is what the Great Stalin said about democracy under capitalism:
        Democracy under capitalism is capitalist democracy, the democracy of the exploiting minority, resting on the restriction of the rights of the exploited majority and directed against this majority.
    7. skullcap 29 May 2020 17: 13 New
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      According to the classics, any report should end with a connection with modernity
    8. Baskak 29 May 2020 22: 02 New
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      Quote: Dmitry from Voronezh
      Democracy is a fiction

      Democracy is democracy. Capitalist democracy is really the rule of capital and oligarchy, people's (Soviet) democracy is the power of the people when the people themselves decide who has the right to be their representative and who is not.
  2. Crowe 29 May 2020 05: 33 New
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    democratic elections are as fiction as a free press.

    I agree, thirty years we see it all.
    As a result, the most “successful” crime comes to power without alternative, which on behalf of the people establishes its own order, the ruthlessness of which it demonstrates when it sees fit. As was the case with the execution of the opposition Supreme Council.

    And there is no arguing ..
    But the image of democracy still faded a lot
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    Therefore, probably more and more people according to the socialist model are nostalgic as the most socially oriented of all existing ..
    1. Octopus 29 May 2020 08: 44 New
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      Quote: Crowe
      thirty years we see it all.

      What country have you been living in for the last 30 years? If in Russia, then you are unlikely to see a free press (these are small niche publications) and you certainly have not seen democratic elections.
      Quote: Crowe
      And there is no arguing.

      I heard a lot of bad things and talked about Grandma Merkel, but that she’s a lucky thug lady - not once. And the light of Boris Nikolaevich, with all his questions to him, did not live as a thief.
      Quote: Crowe
      probably more and more people according to the socialist model are nostalgic as the most socially oriented of all existing ..

      You are right, more and more. Those who have seen it fall into insanity, those who have not seen it are drowned for the Reds as the antithesis of the present beauty, which such as the author calls "democracy."
      1. tihonmarine 29 May 2020 10: 19 New
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        Quote: Octopus
        What country have you been living in for the last 30 years? If in Russia, then you are unlikely to see a free press (these are small niche publications) and you certainly have not seen democratic elections.

        Your reasoning is correct. First, I would like to know from our rulers which country is Russia? Democratic or some other. If the country is democratic in the Dahl dictionary "A political system in which power belongs to the people, and the organization of society is based on the principles of political and civil equality; democracy."
        So in this country, and so, the elections should be DEMOCRATIC. And at the same time, as in the countries of the polyarchy and monarchical countries, elections cannot be democratic, since power in these countries does not belong to the people.
        Ponder "In a democratic country, democratic elections", it turns out some kind of porridge "butter".
        1. Octopus 29 May 2020 10: 33 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          which country is Russia? Democratic or some other.

          Some other, of course.
          Russia is and has always been a country sovereign. Understanding sovereignty as independence of the sovereign from citizens. Rhetoric has changed, and quite, but this basic principle is holy.
          Quote: tihonmarine
          In a democratic country, democratic elections

          Therefore, I write that Crowe did not see democratic elections. He saw either democratic elections not at the state level (for example, to the council of the house, if he had talked about the power of criminals there), or voting (and not elections) at the state level, where both the majority of His Majesty and the opposition of His Majesty receive a salary in one box office, representing an indestructible block of communists and non-partisans at the bread slicer. By the way, under the Red Duma of '95 and the reddish government of Primakov, it was exactly the same.
        2. Nemo1976 30 May 2020 00: 18 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          which country is Russia? Democratic or some other

          Oligarcho-capitalist. yes
    2. Lister 29 May 2020 14: 48 New
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      Quote: Crowe
      more and more people according to the socialist model are nostalgic

      But how else, people see what they have lost and what they have gained. The socialist model is the fairest political and economic structure of the state.
    3. Baskak 29 May 2020 22: 14 New
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      Quote: Crowe
      democratic elections are as fiction as a free press.

      I agree, thirty years we see it all.

      And it is not known how much more we will observe all this ...
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    I read, but in my ears I heard Prokopenko’s voice with REN TV smile
  4. Valery Valery 29 May 2020 05: 56 New
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    Democracy is a management tool in the hands of capital.
    1. tihonmarine 29 May 2020 09: 58 New
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      Democracy is a management tool in the hands of capital.

      Now this already seems to be true. And I can’t add anything extra, but Comrade Stalin ..
      "I always thought that democracy is the power of the people, but Comrade Roosevelt clearly explained to me that democracy is the power of the American people".
      © Joseph Stalin
    2. Lister 29 May 2020 14: 54 New
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      It depends on what kind of democracy. Under capitalism, democracy is an instrument of violence. Under socialism, democracy is primarily justice and humanism.
  5. demo 29 May 2020 06: 02 New
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    But the image of democracy is still very dim. History conclusively testifies that the Democrats have committed so many crimes that even the Nazis cannot reach them. So, if the Nazis destroyed tens of millions of people, then the Democrats at one time almost exterminated the population of two continents: Sev. America and Australia. And Hitler copied the concentration camps for civilians with the British Democrats, who were the first to use them against women, children and the elderly during the Boer War. And many democratic and Nazi attitudes are similar as twins.

    Democracy has a narrow national binding.
    Like a club for the elite.
    Democracy for Americans is different from democracy for Latinos.
    And not because there is a different democracy, but because the bearers of democracy are different.
    American democracy is possible only in the USA.
    And English is only in Britain.
    This is the most important thing.
    And then democracy can degenerate into Nazism, which we saw in Germany.
    I will not say anything about Russia.

    We have a special to become.
    And you can only believe.
    1. tihonmarine 29 May 2020 09: 45 New
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      Democracy for Americans is different from democracy for Latinos.

      And you must add to your words, "there is no democracy for the local population (Native American) in the United States."
      1. Octopus 29 May 2020 10: 06 New
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        democracy for the local population (Native American) in the United States does not exist

        First, Native Americans. Secondly, who told you that they do not have voting rights?
        1. tihonmarine 29 May 2020 11: 05 New
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          Secondly, who told you that they do not have voting rights?

          Democracy and suffrage are two different things. And about the rights of the Indians, as no one spoke to me or consulted with me, they probably thought that it was not worth bothering me with such trifles.
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            Democracy and suffrage are two different things.

            Yes? What's the difference?
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            probably thought that you should not bother me with such trifles.

            But is this your statement?
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            democracy for the local population (Native American) in the United States does not exist

            What is it based on?
        2. Motorist 29 May 2020 21: 47 New
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          First: you still call blacks African-Americans.

          Secondly: because there are less than 2% of Indians there, and once there were 100%. Catch it?
          1. Octopus 30 May 2020 00: 04 New
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            You still call blacks African-Americans.

            And why not, if they are so pleased? I call gays gay, and not because you, I suppose, are used to calling them.
            Quote: Motorist
            Secondly: because there are less than 2% of Indians there, and once there were 100%.

            Firstly, about 4 million people in the USA and Canada call themselves Indians now. According to existing estimates, it is unlikely that there were ever more of them.
            Secondly, the idea that human rights apply not only to white men is quite new. In the XVIII-XIX centuries, it was not very popular.
            Thirdly, have you seen this?
            1. Motorist 30 May 2020 00: 21 New
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              if they are so pleased

              They call each other niger - how do they like it?

              about 4 million people in the USA and Canada call themselves Indians now. According to existing estimates, it is unlikely that there were ever more of them.

              And - do not mix the USA and Canada.
              B - the population of the planet is growing by any exponents, but the Indians - it is impossible ?!

              human rights apply not only to white men

              Sorry I did not understand.

              Did you see this?

              What do you want to say - that all these peoples are destroyed by Russians or are sitting on reservations? And the comparison is incorrect - we are on the same continent.
            2. Motorist 30 May 2020 00: 55 New
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              Did you see this?

              By the way, the map is similar to a remake - too precise coastlines for the time when "b" wrote at the end of the word with a strong consonant. Especially - for the XVI century.
          2. tihonmarine 30 May 2020 10: 47 New
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            Secondly: because there are less than 2% of Indians there, and once there were 100%. Catch it?

            I catch and know what kind of democracy there is.
      2. demo 29 May 2020 10: 37 New
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        Ugh on this word - tolerance.
        Even involuntarily restrain myself.
        Thanks for the addition.
        1. tihonmarine 29 May 2020 11: 08 New
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          Quote: demo
          Ugh on this word - tolerance.

          Nasty word, costs of democracy.
          1. Octopus 29 May 2020 11: 20 New
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            costs of democracy.

            No.
            You confuse tolerance, political correctness and the rejection of freedom of speech through the concept of crime. These are three different things.
            1. tihonmarine 29 May 2020 11: 29 New
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              You confuse tolerance, political correctness and the rejection of freedom of speech through the concept of crime.

              No, I’m not confusing, all these words are bourgeois rubbish, no matter how they sound. For replacement, we have our own beautiful words.
  6. Doccor18 29 May 2020 06: 11 New
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    When I hear the word "democracy", the image of the Roman Empire immediately appears in my head, with their respectful citizens, wise senators and millions of slaves ...
    1. samarin1969 29 May 2020 07: 26 New
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      Quote: Doccor18
      When I hear the word "democracy", the image of the Roman Empire immediately appears in my head, with their respectful citizens, wise senators and millions of slaves ...


      And two thousand years ago, the world was arranged like that. The Thracians, too, could catch some Mark Crassus and make them work on the plantations, then feed them the crayfish. It was fair: either you - or you. Cruel, but honestly. In addition, the Romans worked and personally fought in legions (even the noblest surnames!).

      But the New Age democracies are farce. The author is right here. It’s just that the owners of the money at some point were able to convert the possession of money into a force of power. Prior to this, in many countries, trade was a despicable occupation. A keen insistent lenders were thrown into prison by kings and burned riots. The power was possessed only by the noble, who constituted the support of the states. And they fought, as in Rome - personally. Bagration of royal blood - personally went on the attack. And Balaclava is a witness to the attack of the "golden youth".

      And now - not valor and power rule the world, but money spiders. Moreover, most of them are not public people. Instead, the circus of "democracy" that the author correctly described rules.
      It is sad that "democracy" has led many countries to the loss of sovereignty. It seems that the state even possesses nuclear weapons, but refuses to defend its interests. This is much more tragic than social "injustice."
      1. bober1982 29 May 2020 10: 09 New
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        But the New Age democracies are farce

        Democracy is the great lie of our time, according to KPPobedonostsev, who wrote the article at the end of the century before last under the name “The Great Lie of Our Time”, Konstantin Petrovich very correctly defined.
    2. tihonmarine 29 May 2020 09: 47 New
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      Quote: Doccor18
      When I hear the word "democracy", the image of the Roman Empire immediately appears in my head

      And when I hear this word, then I have images of Novodvorskaya and Kovalev, and immediately I start to itch, and I want to run to the bathhouse to wash this dirt.
    3. Stirbjorn 29 May 2020 11: 40 New
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      the image of the Roman Empire immediately appears in my head, with their pious citizens, sophisticated senators and millions of slaves ...

      so it seems that in the empire the emperors ruled, what kind of democracy ?! recourse
      1. Doccor18 29 May 2020 14: 10 New
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        Yes, they have either parliamentary (senate) or absolute monarchy alternating, everyone was experimenting ....
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      When I hear the word "democracy", the image of the Roman Empire immediately appears in my head

      And I immediately have the image of Hellas pops up, the destroyed Acropolis, etc.
  7. nikvic46 29 May 2020 06: 21 New
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    Now something like the following is happening. The works of the classics are broken. Public people have appropriated the right to the truth. All historical figures are washed with bones. Although this makes them neither cold nor hot. Not because they are no longer there. And because they firmly went down in history. And patchworkers, like animals, try to mark their territory.
    1. rocket757 29 May 2020 06: 42 New
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      Public people have appropriated the right to truth.

      Only the "truth" they have with a sweetheart and painted in not feng shui!
      1. Reptiloid 29 May 2020 08: 09 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        Quote: nikvic46
        Public people have appropriated the right to truth.

        Only the "truth" they have with a sweetheart and painted in not feng shui!

        And what a customer --- such a truth! negative am
        Good morning, Victor! hi
        1. rocket757 29 May 2020 08: 24 New
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          Hi Dmitry soldier
          The customer, in addition to having power and so on, is also arrogant, unprincipled without measure!
          In the old days, this would have been condemned by the fiend of hell and only so. And now, that impudent part of society has grabbed those who determine it completely for themselves, and they call it completely white and fluffy ... although the hooves stick out from under his clothes and stinks from him not childishly!
      2. tihonmarine 29 May 2020 09: 49 New
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        Only the "truth" they have with a sweetheart and painted in not feng shui!

        Precisely, these public people threw out the "truth", and left a darling.
        1. rocket757 29 May 2020 09: 57 New
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          they do it because IM is convenient, comfortable, i.e. Garden of Eden is not comme il faut to them at all, give them something completely different ....
          I would like to believe that people will understand in time where they are being led. It’s time to open your eyes and smell, to activate your hearing, because it will immediately become clear who their leaders are. Yes, you still need to activate your brain activity to the fullest, and you see, mold can finally overgrow with mold.
          1. Reptiloid 29 May 2020 10: 37 New
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            Quote: rocket757
            ... I would like to believe that people will understand in time where they are being led. It’s time to open your eyes and smell, to activate your hearing, because it will immediately become clear who their leaders are. yes, you still need brain activity ... ... because mold ... maybe ......
            To understand all this, you need to know the past, because in the past there were analogies. Therefore, maybe all this Soviet past is being tried with black paint from top to bottom, in order to study his achievements, nobody had a desire.
            1. rocket757 29 May 2020 10: 39 New
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              Well, yes, if he’s all in the mud, muddying everyone around him, Schaub doesn’t look too “extravagant”.
              1. Reptiloid 29 May 2020 10: 51 New
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                But a sufferer is made of the tsar, only they somehow do not say, the modern capitalists do not repeat what the bourgeois capitalists of that time overthrew, well, the noble relatives of the tsar helped this, as it is, merged
                1. rocket757 29 May 2020 10: 54 New
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                  That's right ... but the story should not be repeated. We are moving forward to a new one ... and then we'll see.
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      Public people appropriated the right to truth

      Only the "truth" in their words and deeds is not.
  8. rocket757 29 May 2020 06: 41 New
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    Democracy as a latent dictatorship of crime

    Well, yes, also in cooperation with all sorts of branded, motivated ... anything that we really do not want at home!
    1. Reptiloid 29 May 2020 08: 13 New
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      Speculation in words and concepts, in the interests of the customer
      Quote: rocket757
      Democracy as a latent dictatorship of crime
      Well, yes, .... in cooperation with all sorts of branded ....
      1. rocket757 29 May 2020 08: 26 New
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        The imposition, to all the others, while still normal, of something clumsy, extremely dangerous in the future !!! at the same time, by the most dirty, extreme methods .... and what actually can be expected from the devil spawn!
        1. Reptiloid 29 May 2020 10: 44 New
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          In this imposition, I am enraged by outright lies, in films, for example, lies in the details of everyday life, for example, in favor of the customer.
          Or in technical details. ...... or Trotsky’s glitches .... and the meaning of his glitches? Or is it copyright glitches embodied?
          Quote: rocket757
          The imposition, to all the others, while still normal, of something clumsy, extremely dangerous in the future !!! at the same time, by the most dirty, extreme methods .... and what actually can be expected from the devil spawn!
          1. rocket757 29 May 2020 10: 50 New
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            And can they still offer? The Soviet has its Great Truth, and they only have dirt and other mulinka left, at least somehow to throw their own truth.
    2. Baskak 29 May 2020 22: 21 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      brewed, motivated ... anything that we really don’t want at home!

      Especially various television shows, that’s where the true face of “democratic principles” is.
      1. rocket757 29 May 2020 22: 27 New
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        Yes, a lot of things I do not want to see and hear ... one salvation, the button is off.
  9. Gardamir 29 May 2020 06: 56 New
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    The attitude towards the media, which they began to call
    SMRAD media advertising agitation and misinformation.
    1. depressant 29 May 2020 08: 57 New
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      In fact, the article is probing the audience: the democracy that we have in our yard is filthy, is the dictatorship better? Wouldn't we agree? I agree. If the dictatorship provides an unconditional fortress of borders, a respectful attitude to each person, full employment in decent jobs by current and future standards, increased birth rates, enormous prospects for technological development, the priority of science, the complete elimination of corruption and theft of public funds. And - political independence from the democratizing country - the United States.
      Dreams ... We don’t have those who can provide such a dictatorship. All are natives of Brzezinski’s nest and many of the same. At least turn them inside out. I do not need a Sobyaninsky dictatorship with digital permission to walk three times a week.
      1. rocket757 29 May 2020 09: 10 New
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        Most are no longer able to abandon everything that was brought into the country after the destruction of the Iron Curtain.
        After all, much has appeared and all ... except for real "buns with poppy seeds", about which most want to remember, full of all ... different, indigestible, in beautiful wrappers, or even without them at all ...
        You can’t go back, but you can create something new, of course, but you need to think hard!
      2. Gardamir 29 May 2020 10: 01 New
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        You know, Lyudmila, I read somewhere and I liked it. Relatively speaking, the Soviet state had a "treaty" with the people. You say less people, only state demonstrations. And we are guarding the state for this inside the police, outside the army. We treat and teach you for free. You can go cheaply to Sochi and Crimea.
        Now the "persuasion" is different, you can say what you want, do what you want, force each other to corrupt. And we owe you nothing, on the contrary, for the right to live in the mud, you people must pay us taxes and more.
        This is Maslow’s pyramid.
        1. Octopus 29 May 2020 10: 23 New
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          Relatively speaking, the Soviet state had a "treaty" with the people

          ))) No.
          Khrushchev’s idea that the Soviet government owes something to the Soviet people (socialism with a human face) was the beginning of the end of the USSR.
          Quote: Gardamir
          And we are guarding the state for this inside the police, outside the army.

          The police and the army should protect not the state, but citizens. Both that, and another they did very badly.
          Quote: Gardamir
          We treat and teach you for free.

          There is nothing free. We treat and teach for the money we took from you.
          Quote: Gardamir
          You can go cheaply to Sochi and Crimea.

          A trip to Sochi and the Crimea relative to the average salary costs no less than now.
          Quote: Gardamir
          other,

          Other.
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          you can say what you want

          You can not.
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          rape each other corrupt

          There is an article of the Criminal Code for wear and tear, and to corrupt one another is a good occupation, young people like it.
          Quote: Gardamir
          And we owe you nothing,

          Yes.
          Quote: Gardamir
          on the contrary, for the right to live in the mud, you people must pay us taxes and more.

          Yes. The current government takes taxes because it can take them. She owes nothing to anyone.

          So are you against democracy or for?
        2. depressant 29 May 2020 10: 24 New
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          Not quite so, colleague)))
          This is me about "you can say what you want." Two days I can not go to the "Publicist". My phone says that, they say, do not. You are not protected from penetration. Speaks and does not open. Especially critical articles on the situation with coronavirus have recently been published on this site. So, there are boundaries that are not given to cross. Well, the state is defending itself. Or not a state?
          1. Gardamir 29 May 2020 10: 59 New
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            Well, they recently began to set up fences around themselves. They continue to laugh at their invention "planted for a spikelet" and they plant it for SMS. That is, that imaginary democracy with the help of which they lured here stops.
            1. depressant 29 May 2020 11: 23 New
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              Connect to what the Octopus said. Until 1992, I lived in Abkhazia, in its resort part. Therefore, I can testify. Do you know how simple hard workers from Siberia went on vacation? Husband, wife, grandparents, children - the whole family, for two weeks, for three - and did not refuse anything to themselves. From Chelyabinsk and smaller nearby cities and even villages. We went for many years to the same owners, namely to my neighbors, which is why I remembered. My parents also rented rooms for the summer. We were visited from a small town in Tatarstan, and I remembered the elderly, but surprisingly beautiful head of the family - Nakia Davlatovna. A simple family, hard workers, are not oil workers at all. The nearby sanatoriums were literally packed with vacationers, and there weren’t very many officials among them, all the more so of a high rank. In general, in Soviet times, the habit was extended every year that the whole family went to visit one of the relatives and stay for weeks. I myself went with my parents to the Kuban and Ukraine. Such trips were not a burden for the family budget of both guests and the host. And now even in Sochi there are abandoned sanatoriums.
            2. Reptiloid 29 May 2020 12: 13 New
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              Quote: Gardamir
              Well, they recently began to set up fences around themselves. They continue to laugh at their invention "planted for a spikelet" and they plant it for SMS. That is, that imaginary democracy with the help of which they lured here stops.

              Not quite on the topic, but really want to tell. In the 30s, a poem was banned, but now --- printed ---- excerpt ......
              From a sledge, caresses are not sweet
              Especially when weakened.
              My hand is in the dressing
              And every moment ---- wow, oh!
              ---------------------------- bump.
              An hour passes ----- and I'm in oblivion
              And I see even clearer
              I see events more clearly
              And the hard face of recent days.
              I see a red glow of the sky
              And in the sky hordes of ravens
              And a new train of rye and bread
              Both to factories and to the front
              I see a series of heads bowed
              Or tumbled down,
              And in the field is an enemy corpse in uniform
              And with the monarchical badge
              1. bober1982 29 May 2020 12: 37 New
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                In the 30s, a poem was banned, but now --- printed ---- excerpt ......

                Dmitry, and who is the author of the poem?
                The unknown poet strongly “mows” under V. Nabokov, with his “In July I saw a magnificent reflection of paradise”, only this newly-born poet has a corpse in his eyes, and it’s all the difference.
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                  I didn’t read from Nabokov, I’ll look, then I’ll say, I just received the other day, everything still didn’t fall into my head, this is the 20th year, and at 30m I was banned because of Trotsky’s introduction.
                  The strongest thing, almost a million copies came out.
                  What am I doing? How much we still do not know about the time of the USSR.
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                    The strongest thing, almost a million copies came out.

                    So who is the author, all the more so in a million copies.
              2. bober1982 29 May 2020 12: 56 New
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                And in the sky hordes of ravens
                And a new train of rye and bread

                If you make a little analysis of the flights of this poem - then, of course, very weakly in a poetic sense.
                By itself, the Nabokov poem is an ordinary haze, and this new poet, imitating Nabokov, composed even more stupidly.
                Well, what is it ...... hordes of ravens, it would be more logical to voice ..... hordes of rats.
                And, the train of rye and bread, is it better to read like ...... a train of lice and bread, I read it first.
                1. Reptiloid 29 May 2020 13: 17 New
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                  I know your analysis, Vladimir! You are better than modern officials negative sort it out ---- here, all the information on the network is easily accessible, in large numbers, the conversation was somehow lol
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                    You better dismantle modern officials

                    Boring about the officials, but when the corpses in the eyes, it is curious.
                    1. Reptiloid 29 May 2020 14: 02 New
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                      Quote: bober1982
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      You better dismantle modern officials

                      Boring about the officials, but when the corpses in the eyes, it is curious.
                      That's just for the occasion
                      ------ me the Cheka ------- lighthouse.
                      First I shout: the enemy ---- cut!
                      Every bullet in Check ------- mine!
                      Every victim ----- and I killed.

                      The same famous Soviet poet, who lived in the 70s and 20 centuries
                      1. bober1982 29 May 2020 15: 31 New
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                        The same famous Soviet poet

                        I read the biography of this comrade - Alexander Ilyich Bezymensky, now it is clear why he was so embarrassed to call his last name.
                        That fruit, or rather ..... carrot coffee, as Mayakovsky called it.
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                        I was not shy, Vladimir! I was just wondering. Has anyone ever named each person. lol wassat
                        Which did not stop three different poets from performing simultaneously - Bezymensky, Yesenin, Mayakovsky. good
        3. Reptiloid 29 May 2020 11: 09 New
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          Not quite so, colleague)))
          This is me about "you can say what you want." Two days I can not go to the "Publicist". My phone says that, they say, do not. You are not protected from penetration. Speaks and does not open. On that website .....?
          and so digital slavery appears !!!!!! am somewhere on the net there was an article ----your background doesn’t belong to you !!!!! But we do not pay cheaply for them. fool
          Have a nice day, Lyudmila! hi
          1. depressant 29 May 2020 12: 32 New
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            Thank you, Dima!))) The same to you!
            It’s raining outside the window, I rarely go out into the street and only in a mask, but without gloves - the medical ones are suitable for 2–3 times, because after washing with soap, even with powder they become sticky, you won’t pull on your hands. And there are no ordinary gloves such as rubber on sale. I once put on kitchen (made of cloth!), And when they try to pay for the purchase, they are so inconvenient that there is no point in putting them on - such problems. As for the "Publicist," they infected him with the covido virus in vain: user comments on any articles on any resources have become so poisonous that even the entire Internet is shut down. Loyalists are terribly neglected, because they have one or two arguments and they are too small and they are outdated, and every day life throws up new facts that make us look disapprovingly towards the authorities. Here's today's chagrin: Germany signed an agreement with Japan to create an offshore platform for receiving liquefied gas, processing it in its usual form and transferring it via a short pipeline to land. Chersky returned to the port. All this just infuriates. But when will the real industrialization begin?!?
            1. Reptiloid 29 May 2020 13: 37 New
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              That's what, Lyudmila, brought the population to terrifying savings! And there were ridicule that under the USSR erased plastic bags! So when was this? 50 years ago, it turns out according to the memoirs of members of the forum! And now the gloves? True, I did not think about it. As the isolation began, Mom said to carry one-time plastic bags on her hands, and she herself looked for long-time one-time gloves bought in the pantry. At work, some people wore bags for the first time if they traveled in vehicles or on objects until they reached the gloves ..... there was talk that wiping his upper clothes. Then they bought one-time gloves about a ruble transparent. Self-isolation due to lack of everything you need.
              From June 1 there will be concessions.
        4. Baskak 29 May 2020 22: 33 New
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          Quote: depressant
          Two days I can not go to the "Publicist". My phone says that, they say, do not.

          The same trouble. It’s good that you can even go to my beloved Tuning Fork and Samizdat.
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    3. really 29 May 2020 13: 01 New
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      It will not provide, the dictatorship of the proletariat has already passed, as you remember, the proletariat why it was disenfranchised, like the collective farm and state farmers, and the intelligentsia was in the same troika.
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        how do you remember the proletariat why it was disenfranchised

        Not true. You are simply repeating Western propaganda regarding the Soviet system.
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  10. Nemo1976 30 May 2020 00: 34 New
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    Quote: Gardamir
    SMRAD media advertising agitation and misinformation.

    There is a good film, "Wagging or the tail wags the dog." This film is a vivid illustration of how today SMRAD works.
  • Andrey VOV 29 May 2020 07: 29 New
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    In general, I agree with the author, the only question is, how much money does he understand, what is a lot, and I do not quite agree that it is impossible to earn a lot, but only to steal.
    1. Baskak 29 May 2020 22: 38 New
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      I don’t quite agree that you can’t earn much

      You can earn the same in different ways. You can honestly and officially, but you can and hiding your real income.
  • Free wind 29 May 2020 07: 31 New
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    So America, Australia were conquered, not by democrats but by feudal lords, and the main devastations were suffered by the Indians of South America, the Spaniards frolic there with the Portuguese. In North America, find some more Indian people, try to infect him, so that he can transmit the infection. Moreover, they mainly contacted the whites, and they tried to beat their brothers themselves, and they did not give the white descent. So I had to conclude a peace treaty. Moreover, syphilis was awarded to Europeans. So the Indians improved their living standards, even if they gave them horses. The Maori in new Zenland killed quite a few whites and devoured. And they let their heads to souvenirs.
    1. parusnik 29 May 2020 07: 49 New
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      So they conquered America, Australia, not the Democrats but the feudal lords
      ... I do not agree with the conquest of North America, the feudal lords began, roughly speaking, and the "young democrats" continued the bourgeois revolution in England in 1648 ...
  • parusnik 29 May 2020 07: 44 New
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    It’s a pity, started for health, finished for peace .. About democracy, any democracy ends up in the hands of a handful of oligarchs with those who have the main means of production, this is confirmed by the centuries-old history of mankind ... Yes, and recent history confirms that you don’t have to go far .. the upcoming referendum .. secret ballot turns with one movement of the hand, turns .. secret ballot turns, turns into an open ...
    1. Octopus 29 May 2020 08: 47 New
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      Yes, and recent history confirms that you don’t have to go far .. the upcoming referendum ..

      1. What other referendum? Are you talking about a plebiscite?
      2. What do Russian voting people have to do with democracy?
      1. Gardamir 29 May 2020 10: 09 New
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        Do you still believe in democracy? Any democracy is a vote.
        The times of ancient Greece are the times of slaves. Is this the people's power. The times of Veliky Novgorod are the power of merchants. The more the merchant bought the votes, the more likely it was that his proposal would pass.
        1. Octopus 29 May 2020 10: 15 New
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          Any democracy is a vote.

          Democracy is a mechanism regular rotation of power through appeal to the will of the people. Can people choose the wrong thing? Yes, of course, therefore regular. The cheapest power rotation mechanism available. By the way, this is not and never was in Russia.
          1. depressant 29 May 2020 14: 00 New
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            Here I agree with you. And at the same time, we are invited to believe that everything is done correctly. Well, Putin has "slightly" made a mistake for 20 years - with whom it does not happen! And now, by amendment vote, we are invited to give him the opportunity ... to err for another 20 years? He may be immortal, but I am not. According to the URA.RU resource, 29 leading political scientists believe that canceling an amendment vote will undermine Putin’s influence in the elite. So Putin relies on the people? But what about pension reform? This, sorry, is not a mistake - this is a crime. And he believes that the people have forgiven? What will show him confidence? Will substitute a shoulder in his rich undercover games?
            And so that the people show confidence, a throw-in is done: they say Putin is going to introduce a new socio-patriotic agenda, and he needs the consolidation of the people around it. And, they say, there will be many more amendments ...
            But didn’t we trust? Aren't we consolidating? Didn't I vote for you, president? It turns out that we have consolidated to get a spit in your face from the pension reform and a bunch of obscene laws discriminating against the population, adopted on December 31, 2019 and still being adopted. For example, among others - at the same time, on New Year’s Eve, by the quiet glanders adopted the meanest Order of the Government of the Russian Federation
            N 3260-r on the plan for the privatization of federal property. All that is not private property is privatized. And we know what follows the privatization of state property - bankruptcy and reprofiling into shopping and entertainment centers with localization in offshore. What about the earth? Do you think we don’t know that land reform is being prepared and what character it will have in the oligarchic-gangster state that you, the president, built? ..
            So, the question of faith in the coming socio-economic agenda, read "perestroika", is removed. Until they are urgent, Medvedev and his henchmen are now under investigation. At least for a start - so.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich 29 May 2020 08: 04 New
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    In my opinion, at that time, the Communist Party lost so much authority and respect among the people that the leaders of the republics, regional and regional committees just did not do to please people. But the shelves from their body movements did not fill up. ,, spinning, as anyone could, one- the tank climbed to the stomp of the stupid Moscow limits, the other- (the creator of the bomb) abruptly began to fight for peace .. He would ,, fought for the world ,, when he consumed the stew from the doppike, creating his the bomb. .. Peacemaker unhappy ... (
  • iury.vorgul 29 May 2020 08: 27 New
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    Here is an example of democracy: the slogan “Our country. Our constitution. Our decision” is constantly circulating on TV. And you can’t argue in essence - everything is right, everything is theirs.
  • 2112vda 29 May 2020 08: 32 New
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    Quote: Dmitry from Voronezh
    Democracy is a fiction

    No, democracy is not a fiction. Just do not confuse the two concepts, democracy and democracy.
    By definition, democracy is the power of a demos. Demos, a wealthy middle class in ancient Greece. Wealthy artisans, merchants, and not large landowners belonged to the demos. All of them were slaveholders. There was a higher aristocratic estate, an estate of poor okhlos and talking slave implements. In fact, democracy is the power of money bags. In Russia, the oligarchs are the "money bags". Putin has only representative functions; he has no real power. So in Russia the most real democracy is. In general, for which they fought for it and ran into it.
    1. bober1982 29 May 2020 10: 38 New
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      Quote: 2112vda
      Just do not confuse the two concepts, democracy and democracy.

      But, after all - democracy, is the most deceitful postulate of any democracy, supposedly any power comes from the people. Next comes the no less deceitful theory of parliamentarism.
      There is no confusion here.
      1. depressant 29 May 2020 19: 09 New
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        So we are invited to vote on amendments to confirm the deceit of the postulate. Somehow chilly from this. I don’t want to participate in a comedy with a predetermined result. If Putin demanded authority ... But he only asks to confirm his own imperishability, which means his incorruptibility of yesterday’s policy, his failed experiment on us under the guidance of the IMF, and therefore, the US Federal Reserve. That is, our colonial dependence on the "beacon of democracy." I watched that video on the News. An American policeman in front of people was slowly, with a stretch of time and mocking, killing a compatriot. Horror!
  • Maks1995 29 May 2020 08: 34 New
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    And, again, no specifics, again conspiracies, again the virus is not the same .... fu.
    Some generalizations
  • Vitaly Tsymbal 29 May 2020 08: 44 New
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    Well, what a manner — they started “for health” and ended “for a pandemic”))) The title says it attracts, but the text reduces everything to “pop” ... Our civic activists - democrats gradually grew into liberals, and crime into officials. .. I thought that the author will touch on this topic, but ... it all came down to the British ex-prime minister (((
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      Well, what a manner - started "for health" ended "for a pandemic"



      Yeah, everyone pulls in like a whirlpool, which once again proves that it’s convenient to dump everything on her ...
  • New Year day 29 May 2020 10: 00 New
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    «How a noble gentleman takes democracy? Allow me, Mr. Chairman, to explain this to him, or at least the most basic points. Democracy is not when they receive a mandate based on promises alone, and then do whatever they like with it. We believe that there should be a strong relationship between leadership and the people. "A government of the people, created by the people and for the people" is the sovereign definition of democracy. "
    "We got most, and it doesn’t matter how, and the term is five years. What shall we do with him? ” This is not democracy, but party chatter, which does not concern the bulk of the inhabitants of our country."
    Winston Churchill, November 11, 1947, speech in the House of Commons.
    It seems to have been said in England a long time ago, but how relevant is it now with us!
  • A.TOR 29 May 2020 10: 09 New
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    American democracy has made America a great country.
    Tsarism in Russia led to a revolution in a bloody civil war.
    Socialism in Russian led to the collapse of a huge empire.
    Everything you need to know about democracy
    1. Nemo1976 30 May 2020 00: 42 New
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      American democracy made America a great country

      American democracy has made the United States a terrorist country, a country that does not shun anything in achieving its bloody ambitions.
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        I put you an unconditional "+"
        Citizens like you are the highest value of Russia.
  • prior 29 May 2020 10: 23 New
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    The fairy tale of democracy surpasses all Russian folk tales in its fairy tale.
    1. Lister 29 May 2020 14: 58 New
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      Quote: prior
      Tale of democracy

      No wonder all the tales end with the words: "Here is the end of the tale" ...
      1. cniza 29 May 2020 15: 37 New
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        There is the ending "... and who listened to well done" doesn’t really approach this topic ...
  • 2112vda 29 May 2020 10: 26 New
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    Tsarism in Russia led to a bloody civil war revolution. Socialism in Russian led to the collapse of a huge empire. Everything you need to know about democracy

    All you need to know about American democracy, that is, a variety of Anglo-Saxon.
    1. The bloody revolution in Russia occurred with the direct and direct participation of the United States. This "democracy" had a hand in financing "fiery revolutionaries," for example Leiba Bronstein, in the world of Trotsky and his comrades.
    2. The collapse of the USSR occurred under the leadership of the "Harvard Boys". I will not list them, some are still in power.
    For over 600 years, the Anglo-Saxons have been waging a hybrid war against Russia, no matter in what form our state exists. In the West, democracy "blooms lush", though others are sick of this "color". Russia "hunting grounds" for the Democrats, residents, game for shooting. As the Ukrainian rhyme girl said: “We will never be brothers,” I mean Western Europe with the USA and Canada.
    1. really 29 May 2020 13: 05 New
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      Oops, around the masons.
  • Ros 56 29 May 2020 10: 41 New
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    Striped democracy gradually turned into a conceptual life, that’s all. And our liberals have their eyes covered with wool.
  • Slavs 29 May 2020 10: 51 New
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    "... Yeltsin, following the pattern of actions of the previous revolutionary, climbed onto the tank, all Muscovites who were free from work and study enthusiastically supported him. "
    Golden words ...
    1. tatra 29 May 2020 12: 43 New
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      The enemies of the Communists in the USSR proved that they should not be given freedom of speech and action, given the opportunity to participate in the elections, because they are easily bombarded by the enemies of the country and people, and they completely lack a sense of responsibility for their words and actions. So, those who, in Moscow, hundreds of thousands fled to defend Yeltsin to the White House, came to rallies of the "democrats" in the late 80s, voted for Yeltsin, after cowardly blamed the Soviet Communists for the destruction of the USSR and the Communist Party, and they they threw their Yeltsin.
  • BAI
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    now, only complete villains and hopeless idiots will stand for democracy.

    Yes, that is right.
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    And more of them from the one who steals more. For a priori you cannot earn a lot of money, you can only steal a lot of money.
    It's in Russia. In other places, not so.
  • Pvi1206 29 May 2020 11: 22 New
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    that's for sure ... the dictatorship of lawlessness ... laws - in order to keep the people in check ... power lives by the concepts ...
  • Radikal 29 May 2020 11: 27 New
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    Quote: Doccor18
    When I hear the word "democracy", the image of the Roman Empire immediately appears in my head, with their respectful citizens, wise senators and millions of slaves ...

    ... and the hand reaches for the Mauser .... sad hi
  • Stirbjorn 29 May 2020 11: 49 New
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    Indeed, unlike the Chinese authorities, which stopped the riots in Tiananmen Square, the Soviet leadership no longer had political will and the tanks were on the streets only for entourage.
    The Soviet leadership by the end of the 80s was so degraded that the collapse of the Union and arranged. Yeltsin, did he fly from the USA ?!
    So, if the Nazis destroyed tens of millions of people, then the Democrats at one time almost exterminated the population of two continents: North. America and Australia.
    There were not tens of millions of Indians, and even now they live on reservations. In Canada, the Indians weren’t touched like that. And this, the author, in the British Empire was a constitutional monarchy, not a democracy! On the other hand, when there was absolutism in Europe, people were slaughtered there no less, at least remember the religious wars. Well, in the East, Tamerlan destroyed no less people, or the same Mongols in China. The Turks of Armenians have been genocidal, worse than any democrats.
    An article, some, from the point of view of historical facts, some set of one-sided stamps. Well, say that Western democracy is bad for Russia, why pull anything from the history of the planet
    1. really 29 May 2020 13: 09 New
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      You just tried to maliciously force the author to learn history, imposing knowledge with special cynicism lol
    2. Nemo1976 30 May 2020 00: 53 New
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      Quote: Stirbjorn
      and now they’re quite living on reservations.

      Today, many reservations are a deplorable sight: alcoholism, drug addiction, apathy, degeneration, degradation. The same representatives of the Indian society that integrate into American society, in fact, cease to be Indians. They survive ethnocide, becoming atomized representatives of the American faceless mass
      https://russian.rt.com/science/article/549271-indeycy-ssha-rezervaciya
  • A. Privalov 29 May 2020 12: 10 New
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    There are entire nations who do not know and do not understand what it is-democracy. They do not need her at all. They are used to living and working exclusively from under a stick, under the yoke of their ruling tyrants. Im so good. You can not destroy the habitual, formed over centuries, ways.

    The silly Obama, who claimed that the Muslim Brotherhood was a legitimate government elected by the people, nearly pulled Egypt into a bloody meat grinder. The happiness that Al Sisi with iron eggs turned out to be in place and crushed this shelupon into cabbage.

    At the slightest weakening of the central government, gangs of robbers come out turning the country into a poor desert for many years. There are dozens of examples - Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya ...
    “Normal” countries have nothing to do there. This is how to climb with a healthy head into a sore bed. It’s full of costs, the benefits, by and large, are zero, and to get bogged down there for years, one or two. Do you need examples?
    1. really 29 May 2020 13: 11 New
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      Not tolerant as that, although true wink
  • tatra 29 May 2020 12: 48 New
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    Democracy among the enemies of the Communists in the world is a "divorce for suckers", they will never let the opposition win in the elections, which wants to demolish the System established by the enemies of the Communists. And they easily arrange their coups "-" color revolutions "in the countries of the world if, you see, they did not like those who came to power through elections.
  • Engineer 29 May 2020 12: 57 New
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    The author said A - democracy is bad, flawed, destructive, albeit with numerous distortions.
    I must say the B-alternative to democracy - any paternalistic concept, including dictatorship.
    But he did not dare, apparently even for VO the superiority of B over A is not obvious.
    1. iouris 30 May 2020 00: 28 New
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      an alternative to democracy is any paternalistic concept, including dictatorship.

      An alternative to democracy for the owners of "factories, newspapers, ships ..." is a democracy in which there is freedom from the owners of "factories, newspapers, ships ..."
      Dictatorship is not paternalism, but coercion. You throw away the class essence of the political system, protruding the form of the implementation of democracy (bourgeois democracy).
      It should be remembered that the "domestic bourgeoisie" is a comprador bourgeoisie, it is an agent of world capital, and not the population of "this country." By the way, what does “Family” own and where now lives? And the memorial center is in Sverdlovsk.
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        Quote: iouris
        It should be remembered that the "domestic bourgeoisie" is a comprador bourgeoisie, it is an agent of world capital, and not the population of "this country." By the way, what does “Family” own and where now lives? And the memorial center is in Sverdlovsk.

        And what is the actual difference, it is important that it is in this case that carries out this very “dictatorship”! Everything else is nuances.
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          "Nuances" are just important. The comprador bourgeoisie acts as a "foreign agent." It is not the bourgeoisie that implements the dictatorship, but the state - the machine of suppression, which was conquered by the comprador bourgeoisie.
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        An alternative to democracy for the owners of "factories, newspapers, ships ..." is a democracy in which there is freedom from the owners of "factories, newspapers, ships ..."

        I have a different opinion.
        The democracy of the "owners" is an oligarchy.
        Democracy with mechanisms to limit the influence of "owners" is quite a democracy in form and in essence.
        The author of the article is trying to say that democracy is bad by definition, and if so, the implication of "good democracies does not happen"
        1. iouris 31 May 2020 12: 30 New
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          Quote: Engineer
          Democracy with mechanisms to limit the influence of "owners" is quite a democracy in form and in essence.

          And where are you watching this?
          1. Engineer 31 May 2020 12: 33 New
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            Germany, Finland, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Italy, Spain
            Partly Japan (restriction mechanisms also exist, but they are more likely traditional, rather than democratic)
  • NordUral 29 May 2020 12: 59 New
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    Whose prodest?
    A special operation to spread coronavirus from Chinese territory could well cause significant harm to the current main geopolitical rival of the United States. But here, China can only be a side goal. The main thing may be the victory of the Democratic Party in the upcoming elections in the United States. After all, the democrats represent the interests of the "deep state".
  • iouris 29 May 2020 13: 07 New
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    Power is a dictatorship. The forms of dictatorship must be consistent with the task of maintaining power. Democracy is one of the forms. Society is divided into classes. Power belongs to the ruling class. The basic interests of the ruling class are recognized and formulated by certain structures, they also formulate the goals of government and create a governance system. Officials (including the highest) are the external side of the government, drive belts and gears of the control mechanism.
    Democracy - "the power of the people" arose and formed in a deeply class (slave) society - Ancient Rome. The heirs of the ancient Roman democratic tradition are the modern USA and Britain.
  • cniza 29 May 2020 15: 29 New
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    Thus, as we see, democratic elections are as fiction as a free press.


    But there are doubters ...
  • magadan72 29 May 2020 17: 17 New
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    Democracy as a latent dictatorship of crime is not very good of course, of course, and the oligarchic dictatorship is the same ka then not so ...!
  • faterdom 29 May 2020 17: 53 New
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    Democracy is the power of democrats, and nothing more ...
    1. iouris 30 May 2020 00: 19 New
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      Rather, democracy is the power of the US Democratic Party (conditional Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden). The Republic is the power of Republican Trump.
  • Quote: knn54
    Lieutenant General, KGB Head of the SVR of the USSR

    You can immediately see a great specialist in both capitalism and socialism.
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    B - the population of the planet is growing by any exponents, but the Indians - it is impossible ?!

    Russian-impossible, the Indians the better?
  • Normal ok 30 May 2020 07: 51 New
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    The narrative from the series “vote, or you will lose” (once passed).
    Криминал
    was always, even in the USSR. With different modes, it takes different forms. But there were always enough people who wanted to take away the blessings of others.
  • Pavel73 30 May 2020 10: 28 New
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    Regarding democracy, I subscribe to every word in this article. Democracy is a secret dictatorship.
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      Quote: Pavel73
      Democracy is a secret dictatorship.

      "Democracy" today is an empty concept, it is power in general. The Secret Dictatorship is an oxymoron. What kind of dictatorship do you not feel? The power manipulates the public consciousness and actively shapes it, therefore the knowledge secretive from the population is to give an understanding of the essence.
  • Baron pardus 30 May 2020 21: 51 New
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    Well, everyone talked about the problems with "democracy" and "republic". Starting from Plato, through Frederick the Great, and ending ... Dwight Eisenhower - the greatest President of the United States of the 20th century. Ike said, "If large capital and the military-industrial complex are allowed to influence politics and a merger of large capital including the military-industrial complex with politics is allowed, then we will lose the republic." And it was said not just some kind of “red” or there’s the Weather underground, but — the general of the American Army (so to say, “hire American imperialism”), b — the president of the United States (so to speak, “Puppet in the hands of world capital).” And he was not afraid to say it. Everything was invented before us. Therefore, democracy is not just a myth, it is the power of a mediocre crowd — cattle. How can people who can’t balance their own family’s budget and don’t know the difference between Frankl Roosevelt and Theorodorm Roosevelt who don’t know who they are Norman Mailer, Henry, James Jones and Tim Obraian to be allowed to solve the problems facing the country? How can people who DO NOT WORK in the armed forces make some decisions? How can people who believe (sincerely) that their Wishlist outweigh not only the Wishlist of others, but the state's needs can make decisions? How can all Soros and others like him simply BUY and the voices of both provocateurs and instigators. The more I live in a "republic and democracy "that big fan of Stalin, Mao, Frederick the Great, Otto Von Bismarck, Mussolini, Franco, Salazar, I become.
    1. Octopus 31 May 2020 13: 40 New
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      Quote: Baron Pardus
      Dwight Eisenhower - 20th Century Greatest US President

      )))
      Aiki
      1. Former commander of the SES, as head of the General Staff completely ruined the American army. Lost war on the nerdy Asians.
      2. A graduate of Westpoint, a former president of Columbia University, lost the competition of the two systems to Nikita Khrushchev, a graduate of the work faculty.
      3. Built communism in Cuba, made it possible for Soviet friends to put rockets 15 minutes away from his own home in Kansas. At the time of its appearance in Europe, Soviet forces were under Nalchik.

      One of the worst American presidents of the XNUMXth century. Perhaps in the top three.
  • vavilon 31 May 2020 13: 05 New
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    Why do we all perceive the dictatorship in the negative aspect, and democracy in the positive, and if you look at the details, it's all the other way around
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    The crowd got a western bottling democracy

    PEOPLE he received not a western spillover, a local bardomag (democracy and capitalism), and it seems to me that their worst qualities have been accepted.
  • Thomas the Unbelieving 2 June 2020 18: 38 New
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    The crooks always find a convenient guise for the people to believe them. We had “democrats”, then they became “liberals”, then “urya-patriots”. What they will be tomorrow is hard to say. In the USA, “democracy” from the very beginning corresponded to the first known Hammurabi code in history: “the social structure of Babylon is based on universal and eternal principles of justice established by the gods themselves. And the Code considers social hierarchy as the first of these principles. All people are once and for all divided into two sexes and into three classes - to know, common people, slaves. ” Know: all to yourself; common people: so-so; slaves: wow.
    Democracy and elections do not solve anything in the modern world. A power structure in which there are no checks and balances, where one continuous "vertical" will always lead to manual control and autocracy - I want to turn everything that I want. If we talk about our government, then it is our power in the margins. It is no coincidence that one of the provisions of the Washington Consensus is "deregulation of the economy." It is very convenient to be a “marketer” and do nothing for everyone, but do everything for yourself. Therefore, in the first place we have the power that controls money and credit, and the second one that controls the power block. We have no de facto legislative or judicial power.
    Therefore, unfortunately, the peoples of Russia are at the penultimate stage of their memorial existence, which, according to the analysis of our great historian L.N. Gumilyov, is characterized by the imperative: "remember how beautiful it was." They are trying to lead us to the last stage, degeneration with the imperative "but we do not need anything." As they sang in an old romance: “both peoples and their morals and fashion pass”. But the appearance of our peoples can only be prevented by the appearance of people who declare: "the world must be corrected, because it is bad." And this should be not one leader, but groups of like-minded people. Lenin and Stalin did not single-handedly fight for the bright future of the people.