To the sound of a saw: about combat lasers


From time to time, different countries begin to stir their potential rivals with news of powerful lasers that are about to begin to incinerate all living and non-living things. In principle, all the leaders were noted: we, China, the USA. “Laser Tag” has long become something so familiar, and in this regard, I want to speculate on exactly how real and serious everything is.


The only thing that bothers is the slightly muffled sound of a circular saw, which comes from under the topic of lasers.

Once again, the baton was taken in the United States. The video about the new “combat” laser, placed on the ship, did quite well to excite those who did not think much of it. Understanding people grunted skeptically, but the general mood was all in the good old style of “Hurray !!!” Because american weapon all win a priori.

We smack because people are skeptical and realistic, right? Well, the “analyzes” started right away: who has the coolest laser, and who can cut the tank tomorrow?

Well, I don’t know the tank, but budgets are easy. Therefore, we can say that the era of cutting budgets with lasers has come.


Today, many are trying to do it. Sweaty faces work Americans, Germans, Chinese, Indians, British, Japanese, and ours, too, seems to be in the subject.

The year before last, not bad, so the Chinese lit in the literal sense of the word, showing their LW-30 laser at the air show in Zhuhai. They promised to burn with this laser not only drones, but even small boats.


Of course, the achievements of the neighbors should be treated with a fair amount of skepticism, because a laser with a power of 30 kilowatts on a wheeled chassis is not bad, but it does not look very serious. Approximately the same as the "laser assault rifle" ZKZM-500, which was supposed to burn all living things at a distance of up to 800 meters.


To the sound of a saw: about combat lasers

Although the non-lethal rifle WJG-2002 in the Chinese security forces is and is used to blind.


I also found an “Iron Ray” from Israel, which breaks out of the “Iron Dome”. Well, everything they have there is iron ... And also on the road. It seems like this ray should destroy something by irradiating for 5 seconds. Then everything, the batteries run out.

However, everything is so classified with the Israelis that apart from the statement about the successful tests, there is nothing more intelligible.

All these batteries and diesel generators do not look serious, to be honest. This applies to "Relight". Puffed - and that’s it. Then we charge. Or the power station must be at hand. Preferably atomic.

For Americans, with their topic of placing lasers on ships, everything looks a little more serious. A ship is still a more stable energy platform than one or two trucks. And the power plant there is many times cooler.

Well done Americans, having burned themselves with the YAL-1A installation, which they stuffed into the Boeing-747-400F and with which they were going to burn our ballistic missiles ...


As a result, having become a little disgraced and ditching a certain number of billions, the US military began to deploy lasers on ships.


And even (as National Interest writes) they tested (naturally, successfully) the LaWS (Laser Weapons System) system somewhere in the Persian Gulf. Allegedly shot down a drone and mines "pi-piu" did. How mortal was this deadly? I did not find any references.

It seemed that our business was not idle, and even at the turn of the collapse of the USSR, the 1K17 “Compression” laser suppression complex was recommended for use after testing. But “Compression” was not a combat laser, but a means of counteracting optical and electronic devices.

But since the Soviet Union collapsed, no one really needed Compression either. Now, based on 1K17, they made MLK, a mobile laser complex with approximately the same characteristics, but smaller in size. Technology after all ...

Well, "Relight". It seems like we have such a complex.


Why "like"? Because everything is very secret. Secret "Poseidon" and "Petrel". If you believe Andrei Mitrofanov and his publication on the site "Military Review", then nothing is known about Peresvet. Zero. Only all of these "presumably by analogy with foreign samples" and so on.

On the whole, this "statement on conditional combat duty" somewhere in Tmutarakan does not look more serious than the American minesweepers.

And where there is doubt, there is criticism.

Here are the Chinese successes in the world amicably ridiculed. I did not like the rifle. And, by the way, everything is quite justified. Everyone who could play lasers place them so that there is a power station near by. The Americans use the ship as a platform. And here is the battery. Not serious.

In addition, all this hype around the laser from the point of view of smart people does not cost anything at all. From the experience of using the LCC, we can immediately say that such a laser, as today, can be used exclusively in ideal conditions.

Dust, sandstorm, rain, snow, fog, smoke - all this becomes an insurmountable barrier to the laser. Sorry, this is physics, which cannot be undone. And therefore, speaking of the possible defeat of the target by the laser, we are talking about working in ideal weather conditions, line of sight and a short distance. A small distance - because the scattering of a light beam in the atmosphere also cannot be undone.

And here is the moment of truth: well, why bump up huge amounts of money into a frankly unproductive means of destruction? Well, it will give a very large laser, connected to the nuclear power plant, an impulse and will blind or melt a rocket from a distance of 10 km. And the average battery with 5 km. And the rocket in the old fashioned way will not blind, but simply destroy the target from the same 30-300 km. Easy, as they say, and at ease.

Yes, there is a nuance here. The laser beam does not require ballistic corrections, it is easier to aim at the target, it does not depend on many physical factors (Earth curvature, wind, gravity, and so on), it is faster than any rocket. This is an advantage.

Well, the relative cheapness of one “shot”. Plus a rather large "ammunition" if there is a power station near by.

The disadvantages include the above-mentioned physical weather factors. The plus is that the laser delivers many times less energy to the target than a rocket or projectile. But, unlike a single-shot projectile or rocket, the laser can affect the target for quite some time. With possible adjustment.

The question of which is greater, disadvantages or advantages, is still open. So far, lasers are very bulky and awkward complexes. Five trucks "Relight" - what kind of mobility are we talking about?

We can say that today laser weapons are like aircraft carriers. Some kind of elitist affiliation, because the understanding and perception of the laser as a real weapon is still very far away.

Laser guns with megawatt power could provide a target hit, but a megawatt laser - forget about compactness and efficiency. And the power of up to 50 kW is just to blind the demonstrators, a purely police non-lethal weapon.

Something sane happened to the Americans when they put a 150-kilowatt laser on the landing ship "Portland". It was with this laser that a target UAV could be shot down by prolonged heating of the target. But - they could.

In general, it is worth looking at movements in the USA carefully. They strike if not with a laser beam, then with quantity and perspective.

The Americans continue to work on a program to create land-based and airborne laser weapons. Marine seems to have been mastered at the initial stage.

The list of programs is very long. You can find everything in it - and air-launched missile lasers, and handheld laser infantry weapons, and laser guns for ground-based armored vehicles.

In the air, Boeing and Lockheed fruitfully worked with the YAL-1. The Boeing 747 successfully shot down missiles with this laser, and the laser power reached the cherished megawatt mark. However, the program was stopped precisely due to the fact that the use of this heavy and clumsy monster in real hostilities somehow did not look optimistic, and in addition, the missiles were more effective.

But Northrop and Rayon today continue to work on the M-SHORAD program, Maneuver Short-Range Air Defense (short-range maneuverable air defense system). This is an armored car with a laser, designed to protect ground units from UAVs and other small aircraft.


The Americans want to reach a power of hundreds of kilowatts, which will ensure a quick burn of the target within a second or even less in time of exposure. The installation has already demonstrated the successful defeat of the UAV, and the US military department announced its intention to acquire 144 M-SHORAD units for itself, with the first 36 units to be received already in 2020.

But M-SHORAD has a competitor. This is HEL TVD, or High Energy Laser Tactical Vehicle Demonstrator (demonstrator of a high-energy laser on a tactical vehicle) from Dinetics and Lockheed Martin. Also an interesting development, a laser plus a helicopter turbine with a generator as a power source. Cheap and cheerful, and also already knocks down the teddy bears.


Feel the howl of a saw? So I feel. I hear.

And there is Israel and Turkey.

Israel has the aforementioned "Iron Ray", but the Turks were the first to successfully use the laser in combat conditions.

Nobody especially watched the Turkish developments, but in vain. Turks also clung to lasers and are making progress. It all started with individual SAVTAG models, together with the TUBITAK Institute, a state-owned structure in the field of high-tech developments. Like our Skolkovo, it only works.

As a result, all the developments were again transferred to the state concern Aselsan, the main producer of the Turkish defense industry. And in the end we got the Cobra armored car with a laser gun. The Turks demonstrated how she shot down UAV targets at a distance of about 500 meters.


Meanwhile, Aselsan built a car with a 50-kilowatt laser based on a standard army armored car.


In the summer of 2019, such a machine was calculated to be in Libya, where the forces of the Libyan National Army Khalifa Haftar successfully attacked the forces of the Government of National Accord. On August 4, 2019, a Wing Loong II UAV belonging to the Haftar army was shot down with a laser gun.

So the first in stories combat use of lasers.

In general, it can be said that lasers have the prospect of moving from the category of expensive toys to the category of auxiliary weapons. But after many years and billions of dollars. Not earlier and not less. Today in the world there are no sufficiently large-sized and powerful sources of energy that can pump the laser and give the pulse the necessary amount of energy.

Therefore, today it is very strange to read non-scientific fiction fiction like this:

“For example, fog, smoke, any dispersed mixture in the air significantly weaken the power of the beam. Up to its complete impassability. However, in science it is known that this beam can be modulated in some magical way so that it overcomes such obstacles and turns into an active plasma at a certain distance in the right place.
...
Finally, food. Judging, however, by Peresvet’s mobility, which is not very compact, but nevertheless, in Russia these issues were somehow resolved. It is possible that a compact nuclear installation, such as the one again described by Vladimir Putin, introducing a cruise missile with a nuclear power plant, can play a role here. Why not? If it works on one type of weapon, you can put it on another. Or perhaps a compact nuclear battery is used. But for sure we will obviously not find out about this soon.

Today, one thing is clear: lasers are already covering the sky of Russia from an enemy attack. ”

(Source: https://masterok.livejournal.com/4972070.html.)

Yes, of course, if "magically", then no doubt, lasers cover the sky of Russia. Powered by a magical compact nuclear battery or a nuclear power plant of a magic rocket.

Continuous, in general, magic and triumph of new physical principles. Under the screech of the saw.

And what remains for us?

Seriously, but nothing. I repeat, combat lasers today are just entering the beginning of their development. And it’s very difficult to say how long this road will be. Once huge multi-tower Tanks breakthroughs such as our T-35 and other projects (French and German) seemed the height of perfection and power. And literally after a decade, nothing was left of them.

And such projects in the military history of mankind were not just many. Hundreds, thousands of inventions ended in nothing. And this is normal.

It is possible that combat lasers will become real combat devices. And perhaps the quotation marks in the word “combat” will remain well-deserved. All this will show time and technological progress.

So far, UAVs can be shot down more cheaply and reliably than a multi-container combat laser complex. Perhaps the word “bye” is appropriate here, but ...



In fact, today, despite the laudatory odes and the statement that “lasers protect our sky,” the laser remains a promising development. Very expensive promising development. It takes time and money. Money - especially.

And it is quite possible that the problems of energy sources and physical dependence on weather factors will either ultimately bury the very idea of ​​a combat laser, or again displace lasers into space, where it is not so dusty.

Which, I’m sure, will satisfy those who want to make money on it.
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  1. mark1 28 May 2020 05: 37 New
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    I didn’t even understand what it was about. One true confidence of the author ... Exactly with the same pressure, not so long ago they proved to us (and generally convincingly - nuclear pumping, 3 MW) that there was Peresvet ... What is your evidence !?
    1. Insurgent 28 May 2020 07: 30 New
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      In the summer of 2019, such a machine was calculated to be in Libya, where the forces of the Libyan National Army Khalifa Haftar successfully attacked the forces of the Government of National Accord. On August 4, 2019, a Wing Loong II UAV belonging to the Haftar army was shot down with a laser gun.

      This was the first combat use of lasers in history.


      On October 23, 1911, Captain Piazza made his first reconnaissance flight on his Bleriot XI.
      This date is considered the first military application of aviation in world history.

      On November 1, 1911, Junior Lieutenant Gavoti carried out the first aerial bombardment, dropping 4 hand grenades from his plane. This was the first combat use of the aircraft.

      On January 24, 1912, Captain Piaca took the first aerial photograph.

      On March 4, 1912, Junior Lieutenant Gavoti conducted the first night reconnaissance flight and the first night bombardment.


      And where did all this happen? In Libya fellow .
      1. mark1 28 May 2020 09: 05 New
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        Hooray! There is a laser weapon and it works ... (Yes, I had no doubt) Everything is true and clear. But Romins arguments are not new, dull. sulfur and beaten
        1. Insurgent 28 May 2020 09: 08 New
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          Quote: mark1
          Romins arguments are not new, dull. sulfur and beaten


          Inert retrograde?
          1. mark1 28 May 2020 09: 17 New
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            I would say a conservative principal ...
    2. Civil 28 May 2020 14: 03 New
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      The laser goes on, pumping in money means miniaturization will be ... a matter of time
  2. Mavrikiy 28 May 2020 05: 44 New
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    Dust, sandstorm, rain, snow, fog, smoke - all this becomes an insurmountable barrier to the laser.
    Not all. He worked with a laser in a hot shop on setting up equipment. The ray “floats” about warm air currents. request
    1. Vladimir_2U 28 May 2020 06: 12 New
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      About a warm stream of air the beam “floats”

      In the field (sea) the picture will be slightly different, KVM.
    2. Nikolaevich I 28 May 2020 07: 19 New
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Dust, sandstorm, rain, snow, fog, smoke - all this becomes an insurmountable obstacle for the laser

      The latest test of the joint development of the US Army and Boeing, held at the Aeglin Air Force base in Florida, showed: a new mobile laser system can successfully synchronize hit the target in the most unfriendly weather, be it fog, rain or strong wind.

      Although everyone who has dealt with a laser pointer knows: the beam does not propagate in space under bad weather conditions. Fog and rain can interfere with the operation of laser weapons, because they dissipate energy, which helps disable goals.

      HEL MD (High Energy Laser Mobile Demonstrator) - the first mobile high-energy laser missile defense system of the US Army, which runs on the C-RAM platform. It consists of a 10 kW laser mounted on an Oshkosh tactical vehicle and is capable of tracking and hitting multiple targets.

      This technology has already passed rigorous testing at the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico in 2013, as well as at the same Eglin base earlier in 2014. Moreover, the tests were successful not only on a clear fine day in New Mexico, but also inWindy, rainy and foggy conditions of Florida. Representatives of the Boeing company claim that the installation managed to hit already 150 air targets, including 60-mm mortar shells and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs).

      In the future, experts plan to increase the power of HEL MD to 50 or 60 kilowatts

      The secrets of such a successful installation, Boeing prefers not to disclose, but it is likely that she uses a reference laser beam that examines the fog, and then the software analyzes how atmospheric conditions distort the beam, Gizmag suggests. HEL MD optics are reoriented so as to send the beam in the right direction, even despite natural interference.

      This invention shows that directional energy technologies can complement existing kinetic strike weapons. In addition, the new weapon promises a significant reduction in costs: the laser system can fire repeatedly, without wasting valuable ammunition and not needing additional labor. However, she is voracious enough in relation to the energy necessary for work.
      http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1961404
      1. Nikolaevich I 28 May 2020 07: 36 New
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        PS Or "take" the performance characteristics of an experimental ATGM "Topkick:" Among the characteristics in which "Topkik" was in the lead were its flight speed and indifference to interference and weather and climatic conditions (a powerful carbon dioxide laser without any difficulties pierced with its beam puffs of smoke, fire and dust, fog, rain and other optical obstacles, significantly limiting the combat capabilities of other complexes).
        1. Alexey Sommer 28 May 2020 08: 59 New
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          Thanks you!
          The most interesting in my opinion and useful commentary on the article.
          Add to your comment. The article leaves a feeling that the author himself did not understand, what is it? Cutting the budget, or the race for a breakthrough in the next technological era.
          If there is even a little bit of the second, then the winner will take all the prizes.
          And the development must be carried out, no matter how much it would cost.
          Otherwise, new conquistadors with laser guns and rifles will come and shoot us like Indians with Kalashnikovs.
          1. Fan-fan 28 May 2020 18: 39 New
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            And the development must be carried out, no matter how much it would cost.

            Wrong, you cannot throw on all types of developments, we’ll remain without pants. This money is nowhere for the Americans to take, and we have already taken away pensions. Therefore, it is necessary to determine what is really effective and can give a result, and invest money there.
        2. psiho117 4 June 2020 01: 44 New
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          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          a powerful carbon dioxide laser pierced with its beam puffs of smoke, fire and dust, fog, rain and other optical obstacles
          What is this fantastic nonsense?
          You are not familiar with the principle of guiding ATGM 2 generations of a laser beam?
          Cornet works in the same way, for example. What the heck is "piercing obstacles with a beam?"
          1. Nikolaevich I 7 June 2020 03: 27 New
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            Dude, filter the market! If he himself is in this “neither be, nor me,” then do not get the hell out of your head! If you want to prove that you are "very competent", then say: 1. What type of laser is used in pointing the Cornet ?, 2. Optical range? ; 3.efficiency of this type of laser? ...
            1. psiho117 7 June 2020 20: 11 New
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              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              If you want to prove that you are "very competent", then say: 1. What type of laser is used in pointing the Cornet ?, 2. Optical range? ; 3.efficiency of this type of laser? ...

              Saved wassat
              Attempts to hide behind a bunch of “nothing questions” will not help you rehabilitate yourself after the phrase “the laser without any particular difficulties pierced with its beam clouds of smoke, fire and dust, fog, rain” it’s clear who’s wassat
              If you are publishing anti-scientific nonsense - be prepared for reasonable criticism.
              1. Nikolaevich I 7 June 2020 23: 17 New
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                Quote: psiho117
                If you are publishing anti-scientific nonsense - be prepared for reasonable criticism.

                So why didn’t you follow this statement? I asked specific questions ... expected to get answers! After that, “I would poke a kitten in a puddle”, indicating the difference in “parameters” ... But about the “parameters”, you “shut up in a rag” ... How to “use foul language” - so you are very happy; but how to talk “with feeling, really, with the arrangement "-so you are in the" cellar covered with bags "!
      2. Aviator_ 28 May 2020 08: 47 New
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        HEL MD optics are reoriented so as to send the beam in the right direction, even despite natural interference.

        Does this “right direction” coincide with the original direction to the target?
        1. Alexey Sommer 28 May 2020 09: 06 New
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          Quote: Aviator_
          Does this “right direction” coincide with the original direction to the target?

          Apparently everything happens in motion. It means that the moment is caught when everything is optimal. This can last less than a second, as I understand it.
          If you roughly compare, there were synchronizers on air guns, what would shoot through a screw?
          1. vadimtt 28 May 2020 11: 15 New
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            I think, most likely, adaptive optics is meant. Americans in this topic for a long time and densely, from astronomy to warriors. The reflection forms of the pilot beam (range gates) are captured, analyzed, and based on this analysis, the shape of the mirror changes to compensate for atmospheric distortions.
            1. Operator 28 May 2020 12: 01 New
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              Adaptive optics only works on stationary objects - no adaptive optics can get into UAVs and satellites moving at high angular velocities due to their slower adaptation speed.

              In addition, starting with a power of 100 kilowatts and above, the laser beam begins to defocus in the atmosphere due to the self-generation of nonlinear effects in the air. Elementary fog, clouds and dust make 100% impossible the use of laser weapons, regardless of the presence of probe radiation and adaptive optics.

              And in order to get into the optoelectronic sensors of satellites in orbit, it is necessary to have at least a megawatt of the output power of the laser radiation on the ground due to the large divergence of the laser beam at a distance of several hundred kilometers and a drop of several orders of magnitude of its specific power per spot area.

              Marine laser is generally a clean cut of money, because The salt suspension in the drive air layer up to 100 meters high absorbs laser radiation super-efficiently.
              1. Vadim237 28 May 2020 15: 46 New
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                It is for this purpose that back in the USSR, a lumen beam was created: a laser in a laser which will protect the main radiation from vapors.
                1. Monar 28 May 2020 17: 22 New
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                  What the hell is that? Type (exaggerate) break through the clouds before the passage of the main beam? And what is there inside the laser to enlighten with a laser?
                  1. Vadim237 28 May 2020 23: 43 New
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                    This laser radiation protects the main laser beam from water vapor, such a system was created for marine lasers.
                2. Operator 28 May 2020 17: 46 New
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                  I do not know anything about the "laser in the laser."
          2. Aviator_ 28 May 2020 18: 59 New
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            With the synchronizer, which turned 100 years old, everything is clear. And such a detuning from "natural interference" really gives a decent cut of funds. Moreover, absorption in the medium cannot be reduced by any detunings.
      3. Ka-52 28 May 2020 12: 22 New
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        This invention shows that directional energy technologies can complement existing kinetic strike weapons. In addition, the new weapon promises a significant reduction in costs: the laser system can fire repeatedly, without wasting valuable ammunition and not needing additional labor.

        tales of the vienna forest
  3. Vladimir_2U 28 May 2020 06: 11 New
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    In the first photo there is a laser, a maximum of a plasma cutter.
    Very expensive promising development. It takes time and money. Money - especially.
    That’s it, we’ll throw it to hell, we burn drawings and prototypes, or we’ll sell it to good Americans, if we’re lucky, because it is very expensive, in short enough to feed the military-industrial complex! Doesn't it resemble any years? It seems to the author that no.
    1. Fan-fan 28 May 2020 18: 42 New
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      That's right, the military-industrial complex must be fed carefully, otherwise there will be nothing to eat.
      1. Vadim237 28 May 2020 23: 46 New
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        Such garbage only with a planned economy in the USSR could happen and ultimately happened.
  4. Old partisan 28 May 2020 06: 12 New
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    It seems to me that the topic of laser weapons in the atmosphere is practically unpromising. Well, except to cut the budget. In space - yeah. And with nuclear pumping and dirty reactors. Just look for smart heads. Unless of course you need a new weapon and not a piece of cake called Budget.
    1. Lopatov 28 May 2020 08: 18 New
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      Quote: Old Partisan
      It seems to me that the topic of laser weapons in the atmosphere is practically unpromising.

      On the contrary.
      The potential of laser technology in general and laser weapons in particular is simply gigantic.

      1. Fan-fan 28 May 2020 18: 44 New
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        The potential of nuclear missile weapons is incomparably more gigantic and, most importantly, more productive than lasers.
        1. Lopatov 28 May 2020 18: 48 New
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          Quote: Fan-Fan
          The potential of nuclear missile weapons is disproportionately gigantic

          When a sniper is aiming at you, try to call the Strategic Missile Forces.
          Because someone considered irrational to spend money on laser systems for detecting and suppressing optics.

          It is fortunate that we have moneybags oligarchs. Which are afraid of snipers, and hidden surveillance / shooting.
          And only this did not allow this Soviet theme to stall.
          1. Aviator_ 28 May 2020 19: 02 New
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            The oligarchs, to put it mildly, do not give a damn about anti-sniper systems. And on weapons systems. They completely bypass the existing ones, and no R&D finances.
            1. Lopatov 28 May 2020 19: 08 New
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              Quote: Aviator_
              The oligarchs, to put it mildly, do not give a damn about anti-sniper systems. And on weapons systems. They completely bypass the existing ones, and no R&D finances.

              They just buy these partings ...
              http://www.bnti.ru/index.asp?tbl=02.04.
              1. Aviator_ 28 May 2020 19: 18 New
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                This is not an anti-sniper system. This is a system for finding glass. There is still no normal multi-channel anti-sniper system. Although single-channel speakers have been known since the war in Northern Ireland (early 70s). Now single-channel systems, only lazy countries do not, only their effectiveness is so-so.
                1. Lopatov 28 May 2020 19: 20 New
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                  Quote: Aviator_
                  This is not an anti-sniper system. This is a system for finding glass.

                  "Finding Optics"

                  Quote: Aviator_
                  Although single channel speakers

                  Speakers are bad because you need to sacrifice someone.
                  However, these are also developed here.
                  "Owl" for example
                  1. Aviator_ 28 May 2020 19: 49 New
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                    I know the “Owl”, developed by NIIEF (Sarov). They received the order in the late 90s not because of the depth of study, but only because it is a nuclear center. It is also single channel. They repeated what is already being done all over the world - in Israel, in France, etc. These systems around the world - at least chew anything. Speakers have a number of fatal flaws, but nothing better has been done so far.
                    1. Lopatov 28 May 2020 20: 14 New
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                      Quote: Aviator_
                      however, nothing better has been done so far.

                      laughing
                      This is the worst option.

                      The best is optics detection. Allows you to detect and destroy a sniper BEFORE a shot. The "Russian" method. Well, the French have been stamping for some time, apparently under Yeltsin shared secrets. Plus, the Chinese, but these secrets were slammed

                      The next is the Israeli version. Infrared sensors, signature libraries. The flash is compared with the one in the library, the weapon is determined. Well and accordingly corners.
                      There are stationary, mobile on technology, portable and on drones. Very accurate, but only AFTER a shot. That is, after one corpse.

                      And the Americans developed and develop acoustics. We started with the police, now there are even wearable options.
                      Also determined AFTER a shot and with accuracy, which is highly dependent on local objects.
  5. Free wind 28 May 2020 06: 12 New
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    Power of the green laser, laser pointer, 1-2 watts. Power of the blue laser, laser pointer, 5-10 watts. if you want, you can buy. Burns out eyes at 100 meters, eyes burn out, it is difficult to get further. The beam range is about 100 km. These are such toys.
  6. Uncle lee 28 May 2020 06: 18 New
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    everything, the batteries run out.

    Dust, sandstorm, rain, snow, fog, smoke - all this becomes an insurmountable barrier to the laser.

    I didn’t even have time to light it ....
  7. bald 28 May 2020 06: 18 New
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    Indeed, even as before Beijing. In addition, the very protection of the installation and the beam itself from counteraction, and the same electromagnetic pulse nearby.
  8. Ros 56 28 May 2020 06: 20 New
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    The author would like to have all the secrets laid out on a plate with a blue border? Do not find your claims naive?
  9. rocket757 28 May 2020 06: 57 New
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    In general, it can be said that lasers have the prospect of moving from the category of expensive toys to the category of auxiliary weapons. But after many years and billions of dollars. Not earlier and not less. Today in the world there are no sufficiently large-sized and powerful sources of energy that can pump the laser and give the pulse the necessary amount of energy.

    Everything is correct. As a front door, a demonstrator, such systems will go now. As combat, effective, in demand, it’s too early.
  10. KKND 28 May 2020 07: 01 New
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    Yes, there is a nuance here. The laser beam does not require ballistic corrections, it is easier to aim at the target, it does not depend on many physical factors (Earth curvature, wind, gravity, and so on), it is faster than any rocket. This is an advantage.

    Just the curvature of the Earth is very influential, and even a wind or a different density of air can refract a ray.
    In addition, the author did not mention the main problem of high-power overheating lasers throughout the article. And he wants to look like a realist as a skeptic.
    1. Lopatov 28 May 2020 08: 24 New
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      Yes, and the wind or a different density of air can refract the beam.

      The problem has long been resolved. Astronomers. When they realized that they would not be allocated money for several orbital telescopes.
      According to the test passage of the laser beam, they correct the "picture", eliminating most of the "stocks" associated with the inhomogeneity of the atmosphere.
      1. Alexey RA 28 May 2020 10: 46 New
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        The problem has long been resolved. Astronomers. When they realized that they would not be allocated money for several orbital telescopes.
        According to the test passage of the laser beam, they correct the "picture", eliminating most of the "stocks" associated with the inhomogeneity of the atmosphere.

        And here there is one subtle point: to build the exact trajectory of a combat laser beam, you need to use exactly the same beam as a combat beam in a test shot.
        Because the radiation interacts with the propagation medium, and at high powers the “tails” of the second or third orders begin to creep out, which are usually discarded for smallness. But in reality, these cute physical abstractions suit, for example, beam self-focusing somewhere on the trajectory, followed by a sharp increase in divergence - due to a change in the refractive index “across” the beam and the formation of the lens in the lens medium (power distribution over the beam cross section is a “bell”, so that the refractive index for different parts of the beam will be different). And if the power distribution over the cross section is asymmetric, then the beam can generally go to the side.
        1. Lopatov 28 May 2020 11: 25 New
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          Quote: Alexey RA
          And here there is one subtle point: to build the exact trajectory of a combat laser beam, you need to use exactly the same beam as a combat beam in a test shot.

          Not a fact.
          Especially if you recall the presence of laser technology that can recognize the presence of OM in the air (well, or alcohol vapor in the car laughing )

          In addition, what is "combat"?
          Blinding intelligence tools is also a combat mission.
          1. Alexey RA 28 May 2020 14: 58 New
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            Quote: Spade
            Not a fact.
            Especially if you recall the presence of laser technology that can recognize the presence of OM in the air (well, or alcohol vapor in the car’s interior laughing)

            So we do not have to calculate the trajectory hospital average temperature is needed, but the distribution of impurities, temperatures, and air velocity over the entire path of the beam. smile
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            In addition, what is "combat"?
            Blinding intelligence tools is also a combat mission.

            "Combat" in the sense that the sighting must be carried out exactly with the same laser and at the same power as when working on target.
            1. Lopatov 28 May 2020 18: 24 New
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              So we do not need the average temperature in the hospital to calculate the trajectory

              Just the same average.
              Which will act in exactly the same way as the sum of the random ones.
              As in artillery, "ballistic wind", "ballistic temperature", etc. instead of calculating corrections for each layer of the atmosphere.

              Quote: Alexey RA
              "Combat" in the sense that the sighting must be carried out exactly with the same laser and at the same power as when working on target.

              Well, that's fine.
              For blinding and damage to optics, relatively low energies are sufficient.
        2. Ka-52 28 May 2020 12: 30 New
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          arrange, for example, beam self-focusing somewhere on the trajectory, followed by a sharp increase in divergence - due to a change in the refractive index “across” the beam and the formation of the lens in the medium of the lens (the power distribution over the beam cross section is a “bell”, so that the refractive index for different parts beam will be different). And if the power distribution over the cross section is asymmetric, then the beam can generally go to the side.

          Moreover, with progressive self-focusing, it comes to the collapse of the beam into individual threads (beam collapse).
      2. bk0010 28 May 2020 10: 59 New
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        According to the test passage of the laser beam, they correct the "picture", eliminating most of the "stocks" associated with the inhomogeneity of the atmosphere.
        What is it like? The ray goes into space
        how do they get information from the beam?
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          Quote: bk0010
          What is it like? The ray goes into space
          how do they get information from the beam?

          I did not go into details. I just know that such a technology exists.
      3. Lontus 28 May 2020 14: 11 New
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        The problem has long been resolved. Astronomers.

        and therefore carry telescopes in airplanes when required in addition to space ones.
        Stratospheric Observatory
        Raising the telescope to a height of 13 kilometers
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          and therefore carry telescopes in airplanes when required in addition to space ones.
          Stratospheric Observatory
          Raising the telescope to a height of 13 kilometers

          This one was raised up because it is infrared ..
          laughing
          No lasers can fix the fact that air has the property of heating.
    2. opus 29 May 2020 19: 59 New
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      Yes, and the wind or a different density of air can refract the beam.

      belay
      In a uniform transparent environment, whether it is air, water, glass, or cosmic vacuum, light travels linearly. However, when passing from one medium to another, it is refracted, changing direction depending on the difference in their optical density.
      The laser beam scatters in the atmosphere, but does not "refract"
      1. KKND 30 May 2020 12: 15 New
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        And then what are mirages? From science fiction books phenomenon? Did you observe a “tremor” in the distance during the hot summer?
        1. opus 30 May 2020 12: 28 New
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          And then what are mirages? AND

          refraction of light streams on the border between layers of air sharply different in density and temperature.
          this is a very rare phenomenon, the specificity of the height of the sun above the horizon and the surface. There are 100-200 km of atmosphere obtained ...
          To the laser "refraction"! in the atmosphere is hardly applicable
          1. KKND 30 May 2020 13: 47 New
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            It is not a matter of temperature, but of density, naturally high temperature is less than density, but it is matter of density of media. If the distance between the laser and the air target is + - km, then the wind is hardly worth considering, but if we are talking about dozens, then a strong wind can break the beam.
            1. opus 31 May 2020 00: 00 New
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              It's not about temperature, but about density,

              1. Density is VERY dependent on temperature as well
              Mendeleev - Clapeyron equations for an ideal gas at a given temperature and pressure:
              ro = (p * V) / (R * T)
              2. just think
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              then a strong wind can break the beam.

              in St. Petersburg, a strong wind is 17-25 m / s = 61 km / h - 90 km / h
              - gaish laser "rabars" in speed work without error up to 250 km / h
              -La going to landing have a speed of 200-300 km / h, laser landing systems work WITHOUT problems, with an error of 1-2%
              - Airborne laser guidance systems are excellent (and with an error of up to 2,5% 0 they work at speeds of up to 800 km / h (there is no such "strong" wind)
              somehow I think ...
  11. shinobi 28 May 2020 07: 43 New
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    That's when compact (smaller than a two-ton car container) lasers start delivering energy in a second volley, at least as a 12,7 mm (16 kJ) caliber bullet, then it will be possible to seriously discuss them at least as an object air defense system. while all the campaigns about the dangers of smoking on cigarette packs
    1. Vadim237 28 May 2020 12: 06 New
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      And how many bullets of 12,7 caliber you spend for the destruction of UAVs of 50-100 - 200 pieces, if you do not twist, this is already a significant expenditure compared to a 100-kilowatt laser beam, and for supercharging a laser you can use superionistors one shot one superionistor.
      1. Serg4545 28 May 2020 17: 52 New
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        Quote: Vadim237
        And how many bullets of 12,7 caliber you spend for the destruction of UAVs of 50-100 - 200 pieces, if you do not twist, this is already a significant expenditure compared to a 100-kilowatt laser beam, and for supercharging a laser you can use superionistors one shot one superionistor.


        This is not the first time I have come across a strange idea that a laser will help save on ammunition. Here, in addition to your comment, there are comments below with the same message.
        Let's imagine two installations, with roughly the same radar guidance tools and so on. Only on one target does the DShK hit, and on the other a laser.
        Since the laser cannot work 20-50 percent of the time, an installation with a DShK (which can always work) is needed. That is, you suggest, instead of one installation with a DShK, make another installation with a laser. And also have a double set of service staff. And also strain logisticians with a double set of different consumables and spare parts. In my opinion, it is already clear at this stage that saving will fail.
        Let's continue. Part of the equipment under the conditions is approximately the same (radars, guidance systems). So the cost of this piece of equipment is about the same. Only the cost of DShK + ammunition and laser + power plant + storage + coolers differ. The cost of DShK will not tell you exactly, but hardly more than 50 thousand rubles. The cost of the laser + all the harness needed for its operation, of comparable power from several tens of millions of rubles or more. Well, how much should DShK shoot to save !?
        Well, let’s remember that, in case of emergency, the DShK can overwhelm a helicopter, a low flying plane or a cruise missile. And the fate of the laser is only light drones. But! And there is a nuance) It is physically impossible to protect a light or medium drone from a 12,7 bullet. But the laser ... Cheap, affordable, lightweight ablative materials deposited on the surface of the drone can reduce the laser efficiency by a factor of 100.
        And in light of the above - what for goat button accordion?
        1. Vadim237 29 May 2020 00: 34 New
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          The DShK has an aiming range of 2000 meters and, unlike a laser, there is a significant spread of shells so that something needs to be shot out of it you need to try hard cruise missile so you generally need to be a sniper from God and what kind of cheap and lightweight ablation materials there are none at the moment and no one with such protection, the UAV will not bother and no additional maintenance personnel for the laser should be used; the weapon should be easy to use and maintain; all the generating power for the shot will be provided by superionistors and it will not be necessary to carry generators and batteries with it and it will definitely not cost tens of millions of rubles the most expensive in it is optics up to 10 million in cost will fit in like an air defense system the laser is much more efficient than a large-caliber machine gun at medium and long distances the speed of the hit light cost is cheap compared to MANPADS and anti-aircraft gun ammunition the main thing is that the laser works in conjunction with the optical system and Radar automatic tracking targets will do everything right and the laser will hit everything that flies. And the use of programmable fuses in anti-aircraft shells multiplies their cost with the same pair of optical channel and radar on anti-aircraft guns.
      2. shinobi 30 May 2020 02: 01 New
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        A standard 12,7 mm ammunition pierces inch armor and up to 30 cm of concrete. The target range of the DShK is 3500 meters. 100 kilowatt laser and does not close close in power. The drone has 2-3 hits. If there is one in the instrument compartment or engine.
    2. Vitaly gusin 28 May 2020 12: 36 New
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      Quote: shinobi
      .And so, this is all the agitation about the dangers of smoking on cigarette packs

      Israel’s Armed Forces and Technology Infrastructure Authority (MAPA) announced a technological breakthrough has been achieved that will allow the development of powerful laser systems to intercept steep orbital threats, anti-aircraft and miniature aircraft. New technology will lead to a strategic change in Israel’s air defense capabilities.
      After the breakthrough, MAPA launched three powerful laser programs in collaboration with security industry companies Rafael and Elbit Systems:
      - Development of a ground-based laser addition to the Iron Dome system, which will provide an additional level of protection.
      - Maneuvering laser - the development of a mobile to protect maneuvering forces in the field.
      - The development of a laser that intercepts clouds, protects large spaces and is installed on an air platform.

      Please do not write about cartoons, the first part will be tested later this year
      The head of R&D at MAPA, Brigadier General Yaniv Rotem, said: “We are entering a new era of“ energy warfare ”in the air, on land and at sea. Investments in research and development in recent years have made Israel one of the leading countries in the field of high-power laser.. During 2020 we will demonstrate the capabilities of the laser in the field. "
      1. Operator 28 May 2020 12: 42 New
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        MARA: "Steep orbital threats, intercepting clouds [sic!] And energy war, but only in demonstration mode", - a bunch, a bunch, a bunch ....... .. laughing

        Yaniv Rotem is clearly worthy of the nomination for the title of chief sawmill of the year.
        1. Vitaly gusin 28 May 2020 13: 43 New
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          Quote: Operator
          energy war, but only in demonstration mode ", - a bunch, a bunch, a bunch

          We will return to this topic soon and then you will have to do - bunch, bunch, bunch
          Quote: Operator
          Yaniv Rotem is clearly worthy of the nomination for the title of chief sawmill of the year.

          Well, you, no one will ever take the palm from him.

          And he continues to think, and who laid it?
          In relation to "Roskosmos" 16 criminal cases were initiated, another 44 materials were transferred to the investigating authorities.
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            In any case, so far the Israeli brigadier general has been pushing to the fullest - like you have lasers, but only in the form of demonstrators bully

            In terms of budgeting, we are up to you as to the moon - your prime minister is being questioned in the status of a defendant in a criminal case.
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  12. ximkim 28 May 2020 09: 12 New
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    Not cut the budget, not rational use of funds. The military has one trouble, that's all at once, and the developers are doing it. And why are they being done? Need money! They need money to demonstrate their capabilities .. And this is not an option. They are developing, something has appeared, they are starting to install on different platforms. And right away, to please, but this is not good, all parties must understand it, which means that we need a group about the profile from all sides, but not so, one commission arrived, wrote. then another commission, and all the same. (and this is also money) We must start from the hospital. Put at the border site, where there are good conditions for running in, also at the testing ground for different weapons. Different conditions will let you know: how to use, where to use, what will it be, new tasks for developers, military experience. This will allow us to solve all problems, and tasks will be solved faster when they cease to be related to kitchen design, such as working fine.
  13. Mikhail3 28 May 2020 09: 32 New
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    However, in science it is known that this beam can be modulated in some magical way so that it overcomes such obstacles and turns into an active plasma at a certain distance in the right place.
    Theoretically, this is possible.) It is necessary to measure the parameters of the medium along the entire length of the beam, and select its color and power so that a lot of energy is released in a certain part of the path. Then a plasma cord forms in this area, and ...
    As you know, practically this is delusional nonsense. In the case of dust, fog, and even the slightest drop in the transparency of the atmosphere, the energy of the beam is released where these very dust and fog get in the way of the beam. As a result, the energy of the laser shot is spent on beautiful lighting effects and plasma clouds, which are not able to cause damage even by a sparrow.
    As for sea-based lasers, that was the idea. There is no dust in the air above the sea, so the ability to conduct spectacular tests for superiors is much more common than over land. Where on a seemingly clear sunny day you are likely to get this same plasma cord near the laser and no target hit. And just because the very bosses in cars drove along the road, raised a little dust.
    The only practical use of the “combat” laser was openly voiced only by the Chinese. It is impossible to read delusional sentences about "Compression", which type affects the optics of snipers. Well, what is this nonsense ?! Yes, if you can position the laser beam so that it passes through the optical axis of the sniper scope, why the angel do you need a laser ?! Give it a turn from the machine gun, it will be a thousand times easier, cheaper and more convenient!
    In fact, only one laser can. Burn the eyes of enemy soldiers. Capacities for this are small, so dispersion into the atmosphere is negligible, everything will work clearly. The same “Compression” is a hefty panel of dozens of lasers ... against an unknown sniper snub ?! Ugh, damn it! But to smear this battery along the front edge of the enemy - thousands of people will be blinded, thousands will be partially affected, will not be before the war.
    The only question is that such a use of weapons ... Hitler would not have fallen to this. One who really applies it will become the enemy of all the soldiers on the planet. So wild tales all continue to be voiced ...
  14. Operator 28 May 2020 10: 05 New
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    According to the plans of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the 5-megawatt Peresvet will be airborne, laser shooting from a height of 12 km at space targets does not depend on the state of the atmosphere (clouds and dust at this height are negligible, the air density is several times lower than in the surface layer) .

    So, burning the sensors of the optoelectronic reconnaissance satellites of the enemy over the combat patrol areas of Russian PGRK is a reality, not a fantasy, as the author of the article tries to convince.

    Foreign laser weapon projects are still children in short pants, the author is right in this (the achieved power and the land / sea method of basing limit their use to only small UAVs at a distance of several kilometers in clear weather).
  15. voyaka uh 28 May 2020 11: 00 New
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    The article is not bad.
    At least by the fact that there are no more screams: "it violates the laws of physics!"
    and "Soviet scientists back in the 70s proved that laser is impossible in practice."
    The laser is already a serial or experimental serial weapon in a number of armies and is constantly
    being improved.
    How a psychological breakthrough in consciousness with drones was made,
    that it is NOT A CUT OF THE BUDGET (thanks to the Turks), and with lasers.
    And with the technology "stealth" this will happen in the very near future.
    1. Ka-52 28 May 2020 12: 38 New
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      At least by the fact that there are no more screams: "it violates the laws of physics!"
      and "Soviet scientists back in the 70s proved that laser is impossible in practice."

      the question is not that. And the fact that combat lasers are served as a means of war (it remains only to adjust a bit with batteries). But in fact, the laws of physics have so far narrowed the scope of lasers to the size of a chicken butt. Atmospheric scattering, problems of nonlinear Kerr type optics create so far more problems than the lack of batteries.
      How a psychological breakthrough in consciousness with drones was made,
      what is- DO NOT CUT THE BUDGET (thanks to the Turks)

      just the opposite problem. Our audience attaches too much importance (RF and thanks to Turkish videos) to UAV strike. What fantasies are not being written here, almost they were going to win wars. Say we now do not need anything: no infantry, no artillery, no tanks. Give us drones and we will defeat everyone
      1. voyaka uh 28 May 2020 14: 42 New
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        "And in fact, the laws of physics so far narrow the scope of lasers to the size of a chicken butt" ///
        ----
        You have not left the stage of "laws of physics do not allow" laughing
        You still have time to figure it out. fellow The laws of physics do not interfere with the development of laser weapons. As they did not interfere with the development of small arms, artillery, missiles.
        ----
        And about drones you have not yet made a turn in consciousness. With the help of drones - yes - in the near future, battles and, possibly, local wars will be won.
        1. Ka-52 29 May 2020 04: 37 New
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          You have not left the stage of "laws of physics do not allow"

          well, it’s easier for you, for the chosen ones he made an exception in the nature of nature laughing what is Rayleigh scattering and nonlinear optics for you - pah, a set of words. You poo poo and went to mow undemocratic laughing
          With the help of drones - yes - in the near future, battles and, possibly, local wars will be won.

          the phrases “in the near future” are given out either by science fiction writers or scammers. I hope that you still worked on the field of the first laughing
          A week ago, during a heated debate about UAVs, I asked my ardent opponents - how do they see the operation to capture a defensive site located in the village using only drones (without infantry, artillery and tanks) - of 6 or 7 people, none clearly did not answer. Their entire "strategy" ended with the UAV carrying out all the armored vehicles. And then came stupid fantasies that the enemy infantry, having lost armored vehicles, should immediately flee the battlefield. The arguments that in the overwhelming number of clashes of the last 50 years were not heavy equipment at all, these sofa maximalists were not taken into account. Well, now you are there too laughing
          Local war with drones can be won only in one case - to kill a local tyrant dictator with a guided missile from an UAV. The population will only be happy to get rid of oppression and will gladly accept your democracy in its arms. All. The rest of the local wars, when the population opposes your democratic aggression, you will not do anything with drones. What the Americans didn’t do with Fallujah, than they didn’t bomb, but got oil without a fight
    2. timokhin-aa 28 May 2020 13: 25 New
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      And with the technology "stealth" this will happen in the very near future.


      Yes, how would it happen, no?
      Look at the shape of the kromus X-101/102.
      Or the failed Tupolev Product 202 from Soviet times.
      The Su-57 has an EPR of about 0,5 square meters, and the other day they began to build a stealth bomber, similar to the backlog of "202".
      And the first stealth experiments in the USSR were before the Ufimtsev book, when 3M was still a bomber.

      Everything has already happened in fact, just with the implementation they lagged behind the USA. And its military laser program has never stopped.
      1. bk0010 28 May 2020 15: 03 New
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        And the first stealth experiments in the USSR were before the Ufimtsev book, when 3M was still a bomber. Everything has already happened in fact, just with the implementation they lagged behind the USA
        They were recognized as deadlocks due to the fact that the main battlefield (Europe) was oversaturated with electronic means: the chances that the plane would not be noticed due to the small EPR in the front projection were few.
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          But when it became clear that the enemy’s radar field covers our territory, stealth abruptly became relevant in the 80s.
  16. Muddy Seeing ORACLE 28 May 2020 11: 39 New
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    So long as the laser energy reaches at least 50 megawatts, there’s simply nothing to talk about.
    All that is less is just a toy and a bunch in the air ... hi
    So guys, Corpse over the mobile fusion module ...
  17. Zaurbek 28 May 2020 11: 47 New
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    Without such billions of infusions, there is no progress ... look who pours into the lasers, and then look at the lists producing "civilian" products. Industrial purpose.
  18. Vadim237 28 May 2020 11: 58 New
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    The development of high-power lasers costs a couple of hundred million but no less than billions of dollars, the most expensive in laser installations are lenses and energy sources, but they are engaged in the development of compactness and performance improvement in other directions for the laser, it’s just an accompanying branch from the main work, but don’t worry, even if lasers for destroying airborne objects will be used only in good weather, for all the time of hostilities this will be a significant time of use and large savings of expensive air defense missiles and ammunition of anti-aircraft guns.
  19. gregor6549 28 May 2020 12: 38 New
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    Each type of weapon has its own and, as a rule, very limited scope. This also applies to laser weapons.
    For example, lasers look good as a means of creating interference for sensors / sensors of enemy weapons systems operating in the infrared and visible spectral regions, as well as means of destroying the organs of vision of his military personnel not equipped with special equipment. with eye protection. The lasers showed themselves quite well as a means of combating unmanned moving targets, unless, of course, the amount of these drones does not overload the detection and guidance system, and the laser itself has enough time for thermal effects on each of the drones participating in the raid.
    Yes, there is the problem of the energy supply of laser weapons, especially if these weapons are placed on mobile ground as well as aircraft platforms. But this problem has already been successfully solved by focusing the radiation of individual lasers on one target. In my opinion, this is exactly the approach the Israelis have chosen for their ground-based mobile air defense systems.
    Laser systems are also being created that are able to adapt to environmental transparency conditions based on the use of transparency data coming from laser atmospheric sounding systems. And such sounding systems were created back in the late 80s, including for use in civil aviation air traffic control systems. Itself was present at a demonstration of such a system by Vaisala specialists in Minsk somewhere in the year 93.
    Why am I doing this. And to the fact that there are problems regarding the development and implementation of laser weapons, but they can be solved in principle. The main thing is not to make a fetish out of this type of weapon and find it a reasonable use.
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    So far, UAVs can be shot down more cheaply and reliably than a multi-container combat laser complex.

    Ammunition consumption from Shilka for removing a drone at a distance of a kilometer will be measured in hundreds of kilograms, if not tons. Accordingly, in a total war, if one of the parties focuses on the production of relatively inexpensive drones, and the other on the carriage of conventional ammunition, the second will be exhausted very quickly. Therefore, they are looking for a replacement.
    1. strannik1985 28 May 2020 13: 07 New
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      Ammunition consumption from Shilka for removing a drone at a distance of a kilometer will be measured in hundreds of kilograms, if not tons.

      It’s about the same as counting the air defense – air force opposition without taking into account the attacks on the infrastructure. The control center will be detected by the RER and the Uragana package or the Tochki-U rocket will fly there.
  21. timokhin-aa 28 May 2020 13: 21 New
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    For those who are interested in primary sources

    https://topwar.ru/160925-prishestvie-boevyh-lazerov-4-ijulja-2019-goda.html
    https://vz.ru/society/2020/5/25/1041110.html