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Successes of the Coalition-SV program: tracked self-propelled guns in the troops, wheeled on trials

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One of the first 2S35 self-propelled guns on Red Square. Photo AP RF / kremlin.ru


Work continues on the 152-mm interspecific artillery system 2C35 "Coalition-SV" and its modifications on a wheeled chassis. In recent days there have been a number News about works on these samples. The main one is the transfer of the first batch of tracked self-propelled guns to the armed forces. Now it is expected that all the necessary tests will be completed, followed by adoption.

First delivery


The armed forces became aware of the first delivery of the finished batch of self-propelled guns “Coalition-SV” on May 22, the TASS news agency reported about it, citing the press service of the Rostec state corporation. The news did without the most interesting details, but Rostec noted that the promising artillery complex surpasses domestic and foreign models in basic tactical and technical characteristics.

On May 26, news of the delivery of the 2S35 self-propelled guns was confirmed by the Ministry of Defense, represented by the press service of the Central Military District. It is reported that industry transferred to the Central Military District eight artillery complexes. In the near future, this equipment will be transferred to the troops for development. The cars were built by the Uraltransmash plant, which is part of the Uralvagonzavod NPK.

Apparently, we are talking about the first pilot batch of self-propelled guns, built at the end of last year. In the near future it was planned to transfer it to the troops for a new stage of testing. In addition, several Coalition-SVs were transferred to Alabino to participate in a future parade. It should be noted that, together with the actual self-propelled guns, transport-loading vehicles with various equipment for maintenance, etc. should go to the troops.

Alternative platform


Also on May 26, the Zvezda TV channel showed interesting shots from the ongoing tests of the 2C35-1 Coalition-SV-KSh artillery system on a wheeled chassis. In addition, cited data from the Central Research Institute "Petrel", who developed such a combat vehicle. The representative of the institute recalled the main advantages of the proposed project.


Machine of the first series, recently transferred to the CVO. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / mil.ru

Made a small series of wheeled self-propelled guns, now used in testing. These measures are planned to be completed before the end of the year, after which the issue of adoption will be decided. Other details of the work have not yet been announced.

It is noted that wheeled self-propelled guns differ from tracked ones in greater simplicity, can be used on general purpose roads, show better mobility and have an increased resource. In addition, the combat weight has been reduced, which simplifies airborne transport. As a result, the wheeled version of the Coalition-SV is a convenient tool that can complement or even replace the basic wheeled modification.

Standard ammunition


On May 27, Techmash Corporation revealed some details of the development and production of ammunition for the new self-propelled guns. THEM them. Bakhireva, a member of Techmash, has already begun testing several shells and missile charges, which are considered standard for the 2A88 howitzer. By the end of the current half-year it is planned to receive the letter “O” - the project is entering the stage of mass production.

The issue of adoption will be decided on the basis of state tests. This stage will be completed in 2021-22. After that, the standard ammunition for the new howitzer will go to the troops.

Old and new


According to well-known data, the first prototypes of the 2S35 self-propelled guns were built in 2013 at the Uraltransmash plant and then went to the test. In 2014, a batch of 10 armored vehicles was manufactured. A few months later, their first public demonstration took place as part of the parade on Red Square. In the future, it was repeatedly reported about the imminent start of deliveries of pre-production or serial equipment to the troops.


Transportation of equipment. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / mil.ru

At the end of last year, the manufacturer announced the completion of the assembly of a pilot batch of equipment and its readiness to transfer it to the troops. Then it was said about the presence of 10 self-propelled guns, which should arrive in parts of the Western military district. Now it became known about the transfer of 8 cars to the units of the Central Military District.

Thus, to date, at least 18-20 tracked self-propelled guns of a new type, belonging to different parties, have been built. It can be assumed that the latest machines, recently transferred to the troops, have the final serial appearance. Accordingly, all new samples of the full-fledged series will be similar to them.

Accurate data on the production of 2C35-1 wheel complexes is not yet available. It is known that the first prototypes of this kind appeared several years ago and are being tested. Now we are talking about a small series of unknown volumes. Perhaps more accurate data will appear in the near future.

Main advantages


The artillery complex "Coalition-SV" was created in response to advanced foreign systems, characterized by high indicators of range and accuracy of fire. With this in mind, in the new domestic project, the most modern components and solutions were applied, allowing to obtain an advantageous combination of combat and operational characteristics.


Wheel self-propelled guns "Coalition-SV-KSH" on the highway. Shot from the TV report "Star"

Tracked version 2C35 is based on a modified main chassis tank T-90 A machine with a combat weight of 48 tons remains mobile at the tank level. The jobs of all three crew members are located inside the hull; the fighting compartment is completely uninhabited and works automatically according to crew commands.

The Coalition-SV-KSh is carried out on the KamAZ-6550 four-axle chassis. The car chassis receives a platform with a seat for an artillery tower, hydraulic outriggers and other equipment. The crew and fire controls are in the cockpit; basic operations are performed without going outside.

Both versions of the artillery complex have a unified fighting compartment, made in the form of a large full-rotary tower. Main weapon Self-propelled guns - 152-mm rifled howitzer 2A88. It is equipped with a muzzle brake, an ejector and developed recoil devices. Used separate shots of a modular type, sent to the chamber by automation. Transportable ammunition - 70 rounds with shells of all available types. It is possible to use guided ammunition with increased range and accuracy.

Additional armament includes a remote-controlled 6C21 combat module with a heavy machine gun and the Cloud system. These systems are managed without leaving the protected volume.


Test firing. Shot from the TV report "Star"

2C35 is fully integrated into the Unified Tactical Management System and can receive target data from various sources. The information received is processed by the on-board unified information-command system with the subsequent release of data for firing and ammunition management. According to open data, the maximum firing range brought up to 70 km. The use of guided missiles allows to obtain high accuracy. Automation provides a rate of fire up to 10 rds / min.

Thus, according to the main fire characteristics, the Coalition-SV surpasses all serial self-propelled guns of domestic and foreign production. So far, only individual foreign prototypes can compare with it.

Future issues


Both versions of the 2S35 complex have been tested and brought to production in small batches. The main tracked modification has already hit the troops, while the wheeled one is still at the verification stage, which will be completed before the end of the year. Thus, over the next few years, having received an appropriate order from the army, industry will be able to deploy a full-scale series.

The positive effects of this are obvious. The basic version of the "Coalition-SV" will be a great addition to the existing self-propelled guns of old models. Having similar mobility, the 2S35 self-propelled guns will be able to fire further and more accurately, as well as work more efficiently in existing control loops, which will give troops clear advantages.


Internal equipment of the transport = charging machine from the "Coalition-SV" complex. Photo by Vitalykuzmin.net

The appearance of wheeled self-propelled guns "Coalition-SV-KSH" in the troops will be a very interesting event, since at the moment we do not have such samples. Such a technique, as tests show, combines high combat qualities and improved mobility characteristics. In this case, there will be a choice - the execution of the fire mission can be entrusted to complexes that are better adapted to specific current conditions.

There is information about the development of the ship version of the "Coalition-SV". In this case, all the characteristic capabilities of the land system will be transferred to the offshore platform. However, this version of the artillery complex. as far as I know, not yet ready for testing.

The long-awaited news


Now exactly what is expected over the past few years is happening. After completing a number of necessary stages and activities, the self-propelled gun "Coalition-SV" enters the troops. The first batch of eight cars in the future will be followed by new ones, including larger ones. You should also expect an early arrival of similar equipment on a wheeled chassis. Naval artillery will appear the latest.

In general, in recent days, not just news appeared about the supply of various types of military equipment. This is a major event in modern stories Russian self-propelled artillery - a fundamentally new model with the highest capabilities reached the troops. It is hoped that the subsequent production and development program will not encounter any difficulties, and the Ministry of Defense will be able to regularly please the public with new messages about the “Coalition-SV”.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 28 May 2020 05: 43 New
    +8
    It is reported that industry transferred to the Central Military District eight artillery complexes.
    Who are preparing to go now at the Victory Parade in Yekaterinburg ...
    1. georgiigennadievitch
      georgiigennadievitch 22 June 2020 08: 45 New
      +1
      It is more important here that as the first and last president of the USSR, Gorby, liked to say, "the process has begun, dear comrades."
  2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 28 May 2020 05: 50 New
    20
    I will not pour water. I will give only one example. In the spring I bought a manure car. They brought to the garden on a newfangled four-axle dump truck (KAMAZ). Well, I was delighted, we can straight out In the garden to dump. The driver answered me lightly. 2 meters did not reach the garden - the car got in! Not there - not here !!! This miracle was pulled out by the old neighboring Urals (which, for traction efforts, was caught by the fiscars of a centenary larch)! After everything is finished. A neighbor examining this miracle KAMAZ said - db Lloyds !!! It was impossible to drown, but you drowned !!! Fuck you climbed through the urea, and even through a spoon !!! Then he got behind the wheel of a KAMAZ and drove back into the garden and drove off !!! Added by - Dungsters !!! And left!
    Findings:
    1. it all depends on the gasket between the steering wheel and the seat!
    2. You can plant everything!
    3. He also Ural in Africa Ural, but better caterpillar bulldozer !!!
    Thank you for the article !!!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 28 May 2020 08: 30 New
      +8
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      it all depends on the gasket between the steering wheel and the seat!

      And for self-propelled gunners, these "pads" will not be the best.
      For the battle group, 500 km per year.
      1. novel66
        novel66 28 May 2020 09: 45 New
        +1
        and in the front photo of the rear cars there are some figs on the towers in front, but not on the front. a mess?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 28 May 2020 09: 49 New
          +4
          Quote: novel xnumx
          and in the front photo of the rear cars there are some figs on the towers in front, but not on the front. a mess?

          These are different cars. With "figovinki" 2С19
          The "Coalition" will install "ballistic radar" antennas in this place.
          1. novel66
            novel66 28 May 2020 09: 53 New
            +1
            Now, another question for the specialist - does the 3 mm difference between us and them give something?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 28 May 2020 10: 00 New
              +4
              Quote: novel xnumx
              Does the 3 mm difference between us and them give something?

              No
        2. Grits
          Grits 28 May 2020 19: 02 New
          0
          Quote: novel xnumx
          and in the front photo of the rear cars there are some figs on the towers in front, but not on the front

          The rear cars are Msa-S
  3. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 28 May 2020 06: 02 New
    0
    There is information about the development of the ship version of the "Coalition-SV". In this case, all the characteristic capabilities of the land system will be transferred to the offshore platform.
    Strengthen the drive GN and it will be what the doctor ordered!
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 28 May 2020 13: 58 New
      +2
      Not only. The SLA is completely different. Marine often work on doubling goals. And the air should also work.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 29 May 2020 03: 43 New
        0
        Quote: garri-lin
        The SLA is completely different. Marine often work on doubling goals. And the air should also work.
        Well, the control will not be from the tower / turret, the built-in control system will only go as a backup, if at all.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 29 May 2020 10: 02 New
          0
          Well, as it were, the AK 130 ship’s AU is all different. They receive data from the BIUS and continue to work on their own. And the rate of fire in the Coalition against the background of AK 130 is losing. 45 per barrel versus 15.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 29 May 2020 10: 44 New
            0
            It seems to you that it is useless to explain the advantages of 152 mm against 130.
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 29 May 2020 13: 17 New
              +1
              Well, explain. And we will listen. And I did not say that the Coalition is not suitable. I have denied your claim about the need for all amplification drives GN. Recycle completely. Only the barrel and the shell will remain.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 30 May 2020 05: 52 New
                -1
                Quote: garri-lin
                And we will listen
                Plural about yourself?
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                It seems to you that it is useless to explain the advantages of 152 mm against 130.

                Quote: garri-lin
                Well, explain.
                It would be enough that the special warhead is included in 152 mm, but not in 130 mm. Although I’ll supplement it anyway, the much greater power and range of just shells, the smaller and noticeable difficulty in creating guided and ultra-long-range shells plus (and very large) unification with the land explorers.

                Quote: garri-lin
                MSA is completely different
                Is this such a refutation? Well, so I denied it
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                The SLA built-in only as a backup will go, if at all provided
                Refute this refutation.

                Quote: garri-lin
                Recycle completely. Only the barrel and the shell will remain

                The stupidity is obvious, but there is no justification, I would like to hear. You demand explanations, well, I will demand justifications. What does not suit the MH, what does not suit modular loading, what does not suit booking a tower, by the way. Well, stupidity is exacerbated by the fact that on the ship’s version the trunk just asks for alteration in the first place. Guess why?

                Quote: garri-lin
                They receive data from the BIUS and continue to work on their own.
                Hand face!!! Man has no idea about the remote control of weapons, and specifically the AK-130.
                Quote: garri-lin
                And the rate of fire in the Coalition against the background of AK 130 is losing. 45 per barrel versus 15
                But A-192-5P-10E already gives about 30 shots. Well, it's just nice, to compare a double-barreled gun with a total mass of 150 tons (AU - 98 tons, SU - 12 tons, a mechanized cellar - 40 tons) to compare with a 48-ton self-propelled gun weighing no more than 50 tons. And this despite the fact that on the ship the chassis with all the piers is not necessary, and weighs at least 25 percent of the mass of self-propelled guns.
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 30 May 2020 22: 06 New
                  -1
                  Well, the points are:
                  1. Special warhead on a ship with its missiles and everything else is of course relevant. But how difficult is the question.
                  2. About smart stuffing and engines this is nonsense. That 130 that 152 mi a little difference. Moreover, all this is now calmly put in 80 and 57 mm.
                  3. It makes no sense to refute an illiterate refutation. Its own MSA. And "earthly" from the Coalition at sea is not quite suitable. We need a completely new one.
                  4. Tobish MH from the Coalition with a funny, by sea standards, ammunition is normal? The mechanisms on the ship are less limited by the mass-dimensional harakieristikami. You can throw a couple of tone and increase the speed and ammunition. Once in a few. And for this we need to redo everything. Water barrel cooling may come in handy. Did you hint at him?
                  5. Hand face regularly. Helps to improve cerebral blood circulation.
                  6. I’m not comparing you. Saying that a 48-ton gun made for use on land, after imaginary alterations, could become the equivalent of a 150-ton colossus. One amplification of the GN drives is indispensable. You need to redo everything. And fundamentally.
                2. Alex777
                  Alex777 1 June 2020 17: 39 New
                  0
                  It would be enough that the special warhead is included in 152 mm, but not in 130 mm.

                  No shells with special warheads. Since 2000 Officially, anyway.
                  By the way, I had a dispute with one expert.
                  He claims that there were special warheads for 130 mm. But I do not believe.
                  1. Cartridge
                    Cartridge 12 June 2020 08: 13 New
                    +1
                    Do not trust the "expert". A nuclear-powered projectile cannot be created with a caliber of less than 152 mm purely due to physical properties. A certain force of compression of the combat element is required (it must also have certain characteristics). Maybe in the future, with the development of science, they will be able to reduce the caliber, but there are suggestions that they will create it "on other physical principles."
  4. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 28 May 2020 06: 10 New
    0
    It is a question of about the most important event in the modern history of domestic self-propelled artillery - a fundamentally new model with the highest capabilities reached the troops.

    I would say about the only event in the history of post-socialist Russia. Since 2002, quite a bit of time has passed, and already 8 units (out of the planned 12) have entered the troops.
    Hopesthat the subsequent production and development program will not encounter any difficulties, and the Ministry of Defense will be able to regularly please the public with new messages about the Coalition-SV.

    And what else remains for us? Those who were directly involved in artillery know what the success of artillery fire is made up of. It’s one thing to use the installation in exercises, it’s completely different to “demonstration performances” on some part of the theater of operations. Agree that talking about the achievements, the characteristics of military weapons is possible only after operation in combat conditions.
    One thing is pleasant - the matter has budged.
    In favor of SV, it is worth noting that such a “product” cannot be mass due to the specifics of the tasks performed. And here it is important not the quantity, but the quality of the preparation of the calculations. It remains to wish our gunners successful development and accurate shooting.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 28 May 2020 06: 25 New
      -4
      I also think that saturation with troops will not be hasty and we will read more than once "the next batch (without specifying the quantity) has been transferred to the troops" ...
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 28 May 2020 08: 32 New
      +7
      Quote: ROSS 42
      I would say about the only event in the history of post-socialist Russia. Since 2002, quite a bit of time has passed, and already 8 units (out of the planned 12) have entered the troops.

      Yes, these installations, they can even rivet hundreds.
      The problem is completely different.
      In new ammunition.
  5. Strashila
    Strashila 28 May 2020 06: 12 New
    -17
    "it can be used on general roads", optimism just rolls over, Russia and the roads are not compatible concepts. All this for a peaceful life and parades.
    It took 12 years to deal with the captured Danes and give that mountain.
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 28 May 2020 07: 44 New
      0
      Is it written
      "can ONLY be used on public roads"?
      Due to your carelessness, the conclusions were:
      "All this for a peaceful life and parades"
      appropriately wrong.
    2. KCA
      KCA 28 May 2020 08: 12 New
      +6
      Why did you need to capture "Dane", if everything about it was already known right from the moment development began in 1976? Or could the Czechs hide some details about their development from an older friend, and only 28 years after the start of production, having captured Dana from rodents, were we able to repeat the wheeled SPG? A-222 has been produced since 1988, if cho.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 28 May 2020 10: 28 New
        +6
        Quote: KCA
        Or the Czechs could hide from the senior comrade some details about their development

        Strictly speaking, Slovaks.
        And of course, they did not hide anything. For they were definitely tested in the USSR. And rumored to have even been in the troops
  6. Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 May 2020 06: 12 New
    -3
    The main thing is that there is something to knock on the head for the barmelians.
  7. Free wind
    Free wind 28 May 2020 06: 59 New
    0
    It’s interesting, but the car in dimensions, or not. KamAZ, he is already more than 3 meters high, and this colossus sticks out, and somewhere under bridges it may not pass. Or it’ll move through a piece of iron, maybe it’s fucking. Of course, probably in dimensions. I wonder why the truck calculator. For some reason, the reverse lamp is on the right side, so it should be on the driver’s side, it’s more convenient. Interestingly, the system has its own engine, or everything is powered from the car. So the installation consumes quite a lot of electricity, plus hydraulics, heating, cooling, and I have never seen a generator more powerful than a kilowatt in KamAZ. Behind the cabin, a compartment is visible, maybe there is a generator there. I wonder where the crew is while moving. So it is advisable that we all ride together, we need a two-row cab, but it is impossible to do this on KamAZ, we need a bonnet, I think the Urals would be preferable, and so the car with the crew should go side by side. Interestingly, the tower is armored, but the car is not.
    1. _Sergei_
      _Sergei_ 28 May 2020 08: 14 New
      +5
      We went KamAZ with a power take-off shaft to a 12kW 380V generator to power the equipment, which was located in the kung.
      1. sgrabik
        sgrabik 29 May 2020 10: 11 New
        0
        Now almost all the new armored vehicles are equipped with separate built-in electric generators capable of successfully supplying all the necessary systems and devices without starting the main engine.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 28 May 2020 09: 43 New
      +6
      Quote: Free Wind
      So it’s desirable that we all ride together, we need a two-row cabin

      For three people?
  8. K-50
    K-50 28 May 2020 07: 55 New
    +2
    The main weapon of the self-propelled guns is a 152-mm rifled howitzer 2A88. It is equipped with a muzzle brake, ejector and developed recoil devices.

    If the Coalition's tower is uninhabited, why is there an ejector on the cannon? To complicate the design and increase the cost of production? what
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 28 May 2020 08: 13 New
      -1
      Most likely the power is large and there is a big impact on the design. And artillery systems, by definition, do more shooting than tanks.
      1. K-50
        K-50 28 May 2020 08: 17 New
        +4
        The ejector is designed to better remove powder gases from the bore and prevent them from entering the fighting compartment. hi
        Moreover, there is a greater shot and power I do not understand. request
        Moreover, the openings in the barrel for the operation of the ejector seem to reduce the overall strength of the structure and therefore indicate its greater metal consumption and requirements for materials, which again increases the cost. yes
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 28 May 2020 08: 51 New
          0
          Confused with a muzzle brake ... maybe they didn’t do a separate barrel .. and set a standard one.
          1. K-50
            K-50 28 May 2020 09: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: Zaurbek
            Confused with a muzzle brake.

            The muzzle brake serves to reduce the recoil of the gun after the shot, therefore, reduces the load on the recoil device. In this connection, they can be made smaller, weight and cost.
            Neither on the rate of fire, nor on anything else, he does not affect. hi
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 28 May 2020 08: 35 New
      +6
      Quote: K-50
      If the Coalition's tower is uninhabited, why is there an ejector on the cannon? To complicate the design and increase the cost of production?

      To increase the rate of fire, increase the resource and reduce the number of man-hours for maintenance
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 28 May 2020 09: 25 New
        0
        Was it scored on Armata?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 28 May 2020 09: 27 New
          +4
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Was it scored on Armata?

          Apparently, they scored.
          But there is so much less soot and there is no need for cooling
          1. K-50
            K-50 28 May 2020 09: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Apparently, they scored.
            But there is so much less soot and there is no need for cooling

            Soot creates the amount of ammunition. Far from the idea that for tank and other shots there is a need to create new gunpowder, and therefore production. There it will pour out such money - do not grieve for mom!
            The heating of the barrel is again not relevant, the ammunition is fired in 5-6 minutes, in the fastest possible mode. But how often is it used? Moreover, with our winters for six months, again, "past the box office."
            And another nuance.
            The "Armata" has a barrel thermal insulation casing. For what? Reduces the possibility of barrel bending when it is heated in precipitation conditions, when the upper and lower half of the barrel are exposed to different cooling conditions, for example, during snowfall or rain. And this despite the fact that the length of the barrel on the "Coalition" is longer than on the "Armata". Hence, the lower heat load of the "Coalition" shaft follows.
            But according to your post, everything should be the other way around. hi
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 28 May 2020 10: 14 New
              +2
              Quote: K-50
              Soot creates the amount of ammunition.

              The soot creates a shot. And self-propelled guns shoot a lot. A lot more tanks.

              Quote: K-50
              Far from the idea that for tank and other shots there is a need to create new gunpowder, and therefore production. There it will pour out such money - do not grieve for mom!

              Yes, it's money. But you have to spend them. Especially for the "Coalition" with its modular charges

              Quote: K-50
              The barrel heating is again not relevant, the ammunition is fired in 5-6 minutes, in the fastest mode.

              ?
              No, self-propelled guns are not MLRS and tactically designed for a much longer shooting.
              Well, 5 minutes at maximum rate of fire is guaranteed to lead to a barrel replacement.

              Quote: K-50
              Moreover, with our winters for six months, again, "past the box office."

              Winters have little effect.
              1. K-50
                K-50 28 May 2020 12: 06 New
                -1
                Quote: Spade

                ?
                No, self-propelled guns are not MLRS and tactically designed for a much longer shooting.
                Well, 5 minutes at maximum rate of fire is guaranteed to lead to a barrel replacement.

                Count rate of fire and ammunition. hi
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 28 May 2020 12: 11 New
                  +1
                  Quote: K-50
                  Count rate of fire and ammunition.

                  laughing
                  If everything were so simple ...
                  Once again, firing at a maximum combat rate of more than 1-2 minutes is a guaranteed failure of the gun.

                  In addition, the main firing option for our self-propelled guns is from the ground. And shells in ammunition are used to perform fire missions obtained, for example, during the movement of the unit.
                  1. K-50
                    K-50 28 May 2020 12: 14 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Spade

                    If everything were so simple ...
                    Once again, firing at a maximum combat rate of more than 1-2 minutes is a guaranteed failure of the gun.

                    Rate of fire ACS "Coalition" on performance characteristics: 11-16 rounds per minute. Transportable ammunition 50-70 ammunition (shells + charges).
                    What complexity can you talk about for so long? In the "squall of fire" mode, a maximum of 16 shots, tactical rate of fire 11-12.
                    Then all the same, either roll up, or reload ammunition. At this time, the barrel cools.
                    Well, don’t look for difficulty out of the blue. hi
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 28 May 2020 12: 40 New
                      +1
                      Quote: K-50
                      What difficulty can you talk about for so long?

                      laughing
                      Again. The difficulty is that every shot heats the barrel.
                      And if you try to shoot the entire BC at the maximum rate of fire, this is guaranteed to render the barrel unusable.

                      And it is precisely because of this complexity that the concept of "Fire mode" is introduced
                      Take, for example, 2C5.
                      4 rounds per minute of combat rate of fire. And he will shoot his transportable shell of 30 shells at a temperature of -30 ° C and below in 10 minutes.
                      Otherwise, "goodbye gun"

                      Quote: K-50
                      In the "barrage of fire" mode

                      There is no such regime, there is a "pseudo volley". Yes, and 16 shells in a pseudo-volley is unlikely. 3-4 shells.

                      Quote: K-50
                      Then all the same, either roll up, or reload ammunition. At this time, the barrel cools.

                      The barrel is cooled, self-propelled guns are charging, infantry dies under enemy fire.
                      No, that doesn't work like that. For does not provide continuity of fire exposure

                      The anti-fire maneuver is much, much shorter in time. In one minute at a speed of 30 km / h you can drive off for half a kilometer. and that’s enough
                      1. K-50
                        K-50 28 May 2020 13: 30 New
                        0
                        There is, however, a "barrage of fire" mode. Its essence is that for a certain period of time the trajectories of the projectiles are calculated so as to hit the target simultaneously.
                        In rate of fire: there is calculated data on how much and at what speed you can shoot.
                        Finally: one art. barrel fire tasks do not solve.
                        That's all. Tired of chewing. hi
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 28 May 2020 13: 43 New
                        +2
                        Quote: K-50
                        There is, however, a "barrage of fire" mode.

                        In the programs "Weapons of the Future" on Discovery.

                        And correctly they call it "pseudo-salvo" with us and MRS (Multiple Round Simultaneous) with them

                        Quote: K-50
                        In rate of fire: there is calculated data on how much and at what speed you can shoot.

                        Here I am about that.


                        Quote: K-50
                        Tired of chewing

                        laughing laughing laughing
            2. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 28 May 2020 13: 37 New
              +3
              Quote: K-50
              The barrel heating is again not relevant,

              I read on one of the forums, a comparison of our MSTA-s with the German PzH 2000.
              The PzH 2000 shoots the first few shells quite quickly (as indicated in the passport), but after the first, the barrel warms up and the rate of fire drops significantly. Our heated barrel shoots faster (the first lags).
          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 28 May 2020 15: 04 New
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            The tank has 52 caliber ... and the maximum charge in artillery. Accordingly, the gas contamination is quite to itself.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 28 May 2020 18: 16 New
              +1
              Quote: Zaurbek
              and the maximum charge in artillery

              ??
              The "Coalition" has a full variable modular charge 4-З-27 - these are 6 (six) modules weighing 10 kg each. Total 60 kg.
              That is, as far as I remember, more than 6 times more tank.

              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 28 May 2020 19: 01 New
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                The tank has an unchanged charge, but the maximum.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 28 May 2020 19: 39 New
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                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  The tank has an unchanged charge, but the maximum.

                  Well..
                  And it "the highest" weighs six times less than the full charge of the "Coalition"
                  1. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek 28 May 2020 20: 06 New
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                    But the full is not the main charge of the howitzer. And the main tank.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 28 May 2020 20: 15 New
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                      Quote: Zaurbek
                      But the full is not the main charge of the howitzer.

                      Main? About the third. Which is three times the size of a tank
      2. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 28 May 2020 13: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Was it scored on Armata?

        Is not a fact. Leclerc, for example, is blown with compressed air, possibly in Armata as well.
  • prodi
    prodi 28 May 2020 08: 22 New
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    If you leave it as it is, then at least the outer wheels are hung on the rear trolley, but in general, it would be nice to have the air suspension too, so that at least somehow at a low speed it aligns on slopes
  • gvozdan
    gvozdan 28 May 2020 08: 47 New
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    On the video from the developers, the coalition shot every 3 seconds
  • alexmach
    alexmach 28 May 2020 08: 56 New
    +1
    Well, at least some of the weapons from the Victory Parade 2015 were finally delivered to the troops.
  • GMM
    GMM 28 May 2020 09: 30 New
    -2
    There is information about the development of the ship version of the "Coalition-SV"

    Will the PAK-Coalition be developed? And if it will also be the fifth generation, then a very promising topic will be in the quality of disbursement ...
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 28 May 2020 09: 33 New
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    As far as I remember, initially they wanted to make this system with two vertically paired trunks. Some experimental samples were even built. Why was this option abandoned?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 28 May 2020 09: 37 New
      +7
      Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
      Why was this option abandoned?

      Price quality.
      The advantages of the two trunks are not so great. to overpay for them.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 28 May 2020 12: 05 New
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        Quote: Spade
        The advantages of the two trunks are not so great.

        Is doubled rate of fire an advantage? Although there are also enough minuses ... for example, weighting of the structure and its maintenance.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 28 May 2020 12: 06 New
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          Double rate of fire isn't that an advantage?

          It will not be doubled. The car is one.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 28 May 2020 12: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            It will not be doubled. The car is one.

            I'm more interested in the undercarriage of the Coalition. Now there is a chassis from the T-90, but initially it was thought that there would be a base from Almaty. And there the dimensions are different and I think the BC is more solid.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 28 May 2020 12: 45 New
              +3
              Quote: NEXUS
              Now there is a chassis from the T-90, but initially it was thought that there would be a base from Almaty.

              All our post-war self-propelled guns have special chassis.
              That is, there will be no "base from Armata", it is too difficult. And it is not advisable. The biggest. what will happen is "a new chassis with the use of components and assemblies of" Armata "

              Quote: NEXUS
              And there the dimensions are different and I think the BC is more solid.

              BC is completely located in the tower.
        2. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 28 May 2020 13: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          Double rate of fire isn't that an advantage?

          After the shot, the trunks swing, so you can’t immediately make a second shot. The result was a very small gain, which was not worth the complication of the design to two trunks.
      2. bk0010
        bk0010 28 May 2020 17: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        The advantages of the two trunks are not so great. to overpay for them.
        And I heard that the vibrations caused by a shot from the first barrel did not have time to completely damp before the shot of the second, which caused accuracy to suffer. And when you try to wait for the damping of the oscillations - the rate of fire.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 28 May 2020 18: 08 New
          +3
          Quote: bk0010
          And I heard that the vibrations caused by a shot from the first barrel did not have time to completely damp before the shot of the second, which caused accuracy to suffer.

          Including this. No, the problem is solvable, and a solution was even proposed for the modernization of the "Solntsepeki". But it also costs money.

          Plus trunks. Which should have been easier, and therefore either more expensive or with less resource. Plus, in fact, a dual loading system, which with a fixed weight would reduce the BC.

          And so on.
    2. Engineer
      Engineer 28 May 2020 09: 44 New
      -2
      "Sleep of reason gives birth to monsters" (c)
  • senima56
    senima56 28 May 2020 14: 12 New
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    It is very good news that this equipment is already entering the Army! good
    And then at the parade they will show, and then for years they will bring, test, modernize. negative
  • uav80
    uav80 28 May 2020 14: 45 New
    -1
    Quote: novel xnumx
    3 mm difference between us and them gives something

    A caliber of 155 mm with a fixed value of the relative mass of the projectile gives an increase of 6%, i.e. 2,5 kg According to calculations, this additive, when rationally distributed between the shell of the shell and the explosive charge, increases the fragmentation efficiency of the shell by about 10%.
    At the same time, an increase in the volume of the charging chamber and barrel length to 52 calibres makes it possible to significantly increase the mass of the charge and, as a result, increase the firing range.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 28 May 2020 16: 27 New
      +4
      Yes it does! The only trouble is that we and NATO have different approaches to measuring the caliber of artillery guns! So no matter how our 152 turned out to be more than their 155!
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 28 May 2020 18: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: uav80
      A caliber of 155 mm with a fixed value of the relative mass of the projectile gives an increase of 6%, i.e. 2,5 kg

      laughing
      Someone tricked you hard
      1. uav80
        uav80 29 May 2020 08: 02 New
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        The weight of domestic 152 mm HE shells is 43.56 kg "constant" for all models, the mass of explosives is from 5,86 to 7,8 kg, depending on the model.
        A standard NATO M795 projectile weighs 46.7 kg, while the mass of explosives is 10,8 kg.
        Unless, of course, take the old M107 shell with which it is customary to compare domestic BPs, its weight is 41,86 kg and the mass of explosives is only 5,74 kg
        PS: here it is necessary to take into account not only the caliber in mm but also the length of the projectile ...
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 May 2020 09: 48 New
          0
          Quote: uav80
          The weight of domestic 152 mm HE shells 43.56 kg

          3OF29 weighs 45.5 kg. With 6,42 kg of metallized hexogen
          Older 152 mm shells were even heavier. For example, OF-550 weighed 49 kg. With seven kilograms of explosives

          So it goes.
          That is, someone deliberately hung noodles on their ears. And I even roughly know what kind of "someone" is
          1. uav80
            uav80 29 May 2020 10: 23 New
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            Quote: Spade

            3OF29 weighs 45.5 kg. With 6,42 kg of metallized hexogen
            Older 152 mm shells were even heavier. For example, OF-550 weighed 49 kg. With seven kilograms of explosives

            So it goes.
            That is, someone deliberately hung noodles on their ears. And I even roughly know what kind of "someone" is

            I took as a basis a line of shells for 2C19 ..
            Of course, if you take 2C5 or C-59, then here is another matter ...
            The same ML20 has the lightest OF 40kg, the heaviest the same 43,56
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 29 May 2020 10: 40 New
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              Quote: uav80
              I took as a basis a line of shells for 2C19 ..

              What's the difference?
              We are not discussing the "line of ammunition" but the alleged advantages of 155mm over 152mm.
              1. uav80
                uav80 1 June 2020 08: 18 New
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                Of course, if you do not take into account the ancient shells with which all the arsenals in the country are littered with in case of the 3rd World War, we won’t get much difference, although here we must take into account the materials themselves from which the shells make what fragmentation they have, to increase the research of the Watertown Arsenal laboratory, for example, by comparison of Soviet and American shells in 152mm and 155mm, respectively ...

                Plus the 155th caliber is the possibility of a wide export of guns for which they even made the 2S19M1-155 with a 52m barrel, the 152nd if only those countries that still had stocks of shells from Soviet times ..

                and yet, the Americans on 58 trunks have already stepped for 100 km, and moreover, on practically serial XM907 trunks, with a shell - XM1113 and a propelling charge - XM645
  • Pacifist with AK
    Pacifist with AK 28 May 2020 18: 25 New
    0
    Quote: uav80
    Quote: novel xnumx
    3 mm difference between us and them gives something

    A caliber of 155 mm with a fixed value of the relative mass of the projectile gives an increase of 6%, i.e. 2,5 kg According to calculations, this additive, when rationally distributed between the shell of the shell and the explosive charge, increases the fragmentation efficiency of the shell by about 10%.
    At the same time, an increase in the volume of the charging chamber and barrel length to 52 calibres makes it possible to significantly increase the mass of the charge and, as a result, increase the firing range.

    I read this article on varspot.ru.Very detailed and intelligibly written. Sincerely.
  • Archon
    Archon 28 May 2020 22: 36 New
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    As a result, the wheeled version of the Coalition-SV is a convenient tool that can complement or even replace the basic wheeled modification.
    you have an obvious typo here, but I don’t have a controller on my tablet
  • ugrums1961
    ugrums1961 29 May 2020 04: 47 New
    -1
    Everything ingenious is simple, why break your brains, invent a bicycle, at first glance it’s what wheeled commercials from a distance of one or two kilometers look like a crane based on KAMAZ, that’s what the designers thought, but they didn’t know the diseases of this crane, and why they need to be mastered by grandmas while they give it, and then bullshit it will be bullshit when the frame begins to crack and begin to cook reinforced linings. In general, I had a much greater opinion about our military designers. They would have come up with something similar to an armored personnel carrier, only more powerful and the coalition installation was added, and since it’s a crane, it’s a crane.
  • DDZ57
    DDZ57 29 May 2020 08: 10 New
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    Diameter according to the Central Administration of the Russian Federation: 152,4 mm (landing fit):
    NATO - 154,7mm (KP).
    The diameter of the Russian Federation Air Force is 155,9 mm (for howitzers).
    NATO - 157,9mm.
    Pressure PG - RF - 350mPa;
    NATO - 450MPa.
    The parameters of the systems and their ammunition in NATO are standardized by a joint memorandum on ballistics in caliber 155mm (JBMoU). The result was a unified series of feces of ammunition. 155mm.
    RF in caliber 152,4 mm - three shots and 3 systems respectively (Msta, Hyacinth and Coalition).
    A shell from Msta approaches the Coalition. On the contrary, it does not fit. That's the whole unification.
    So did it make sense in the Coalition to bother with a caliber of 152,4 mm?
    2,3 mm give an increase in the volume of the chamber under the explosive. Small but give.
    The caliber 152,4mm completely lacks export potential, i.e. over the hill for the money no one needs him, just a freebie. Remember that where the Shell, SU-30, T-90, etc. came from, which saved the enterprises that produced this equipment and gave them development.
    Much has already been written about the firing range of serially produced foreign systems and ammunition. The main words in this sentence are "commercially available". These systems and ammunition have long been available and mastered by the troops. And for this ammunition there was a line of buyers.
    Here is an example of the fragmentation of 155 mm HE shell of the XM1218 INE PFF-DP (RDM SFR) (the shell was demonstrated in the fall of 2019 (not a cartoon, not a press release, not a presentation, not a speech).
    The shell was blown up at a firing range in front of several hundred people, broadcast on screens and followed by a guided tour to the site of the blast.
    BB - PBX 4 IM. The area of ​​fragmentation damage (mea) - 8000kv. m. The number of fragments of natural crushing - 10000pcs. GPE - 20000pcs.
    And the rear KAMAZ truck is noticeably overloaded, this can be seen in the video.
    And they are right in the previous post - the frame will collapse and the tires will burst.
    And on its side this wheeled self-propelled gun will lie louder than the Shell.
    So it turned out another "ZIL for the parade".
    1. +5
      +5 30 May 2020 09: 34 New
      0
      About the range, you are silent about the fact that this is due to other gunpowders in the West ... with a noticeably longer range, the storage period of shells is 3 times less (I remember in 2003, 155 shells ran out in the whole of Britain .... in general ... after small aftershoots in Iraq) and higher barrel wear. Well, our desire for the ability to shoot almost royal shells ....
      On the Coalition they refused.
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 29 May 2020 19: 21 New
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    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
    I will not pour water .................................. Added by - Dungsters !!! And left!

    Thank you for the article !!!

    you wanted to write "shit"))))))))
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman 29 May 2020 23: 34 New
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    I look, the platform from the t-90. It seems that it was originally planned to put on the platform from Armata. Those. ideally planned. And it would be cool if those who know described the differences between Msta-s and the Coalition. Or the possibility of modernizing Msta-s to the level of a coalition. Is such a modernization possible in principle?
    With regards to artillery shells. It seems like the most advanced shell was Krasnopol. They abandoned it or it goes in parallel ... i.e. we are talking about conventional discs or OF, because Krasnopol was reactive. In general, it would be cool to get answers to these questions. Maybe someone in the know.
    1. +5
      +5 30 May 2020 09: 39 New
      0
      New shells with microwave ignition, large (at or above Western systems, the range of Msta was deliberately lower due to the possibility of firing old shells), an automated integrated control system, even higher automation (beyond, Panzerhaubets 2000 something like Msta, the rest are worse).
  • Hydrogen
    Hydrogen 2 June 2020 11: 33 New
    -1
    A question for those who know and understand why we don’t want to switch from caliber 152 to NATO 155, practically all countries use it? And why do we need two types of caliber artillery 122 and 152 at once? This is not practical.
    1. DDZ57
      DDZ57 2 June 2020 14: 10 New
      +1
      At NATO, 3 caliber artillery:
      - 105mm - threaded system;
      - 120mm (smooth mortar) and
      - rifled mortar (based on a French mortar loaded from a muzzle) (shell with
      ready-made lead tabs on the lead belt);
      - 155mm.
      In the Russian Federation - they develop 120mm (a smooth mortar and a rifled gun) and 152mm, but they use quite a lot:
      - 100mm (smoothbore towed gun, occasionally skips during exercises, does not develop,
      finish off the old);
      - 122mm - they do not develop, they finish the old, there are a lot of troops;
      - 120mm - smooth mortar and
      rifled gun, mainly loaded from the treasury (shell with ready-made guides
      protrusions on the leading belt), but it is possible from the muzzle;
      - 152mm - in this size 3 non-interchangeable shots and 3 systems;
      - 203mm.
      Maybe there is something else (for example 130mm).
      Probably believe, let there be a raznosortitsa than undersupply.
      The picture in artillery coincides with the picture in tanks, aircraft, etc.
      The caliber 152mm has no export prospects. Variety sorters are problems of logistics, problems of production, problems of operation and repair, problems of personnel training, etc.
      World War II taught the USSR nothing, neither in the rifleman, nor in artillery, etc.
      In Russia, all problems continue to be solved by the number of people (women give birth) .... and
      with a shaky tongue and showing cartoons and people, it all bows, and some still want to repeat ...
      1. Hydrogen
        Hydrogen 2 June 2020 14: 27 New
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        As for mortars, it is clear at all. But why are the ACS of two types "Acacia", "Carnation", the tasks are generally the same, and the calibers are different, 122 mm for the ACS is now useless, why not leave one 152 caliber. calibers according to the standard of a potential enemy, moreover, they are the most common.
        1. DDZ57
          DDZ57 2 June 2020 19: 57 New
          +1
          The caliber 122mm does not develop, there is a consumption of old stocks of ammunition and machine resources, self-propelled guns Carnation may remain with the Marines.
          But the probability is high that it will be replaced by a 120mm cannon for a shell with ready-made leading protrusions on the leading belt (see the Burevestnik guns for the SV, and TSNIITOCHMASH for the airborne forces).
          Self-propelled guns Acacia was supposed to change Vengeance, but Acacia has not yet developed a resource, so it is still used. These howitzers have the same (unified) shot.
          It all comes down to finance.
          And for good, it’s high time to introduce calibers according to the standard of the probable opponent, moreover, they are the most common.

          And ask this question to the top leadership.
          Who, even after the Second World War (mountains of corpses), were not smart enough to switch to a new weldless cartridge in the rifle, develop a carbine (sn. Rifle) for it and make a new machine gun on the basis of Hitler's Circular.
          Fighting dissent, getting into dead ends or getting boilers, sawing finances in the Russian Federation has not yet left the wizard.