“Why is it so important for Russians that a monument to Marshal Konev be in Prague” - they understand the Czech press

The Czech publication Respekt published an interview with Onjay Kundra with the representative of the Moscow office of the Carnegie Center Andrei Kolesnikov. The interview was dedicated to Russia. One of the questions that was raised in the conversation with the interviewee was: “Why is it so important for the Russians to have a monument to Marshal Konev in Prague?”

Speaking on this subject, Mr. Kolesnikov states that today the President of Russia uses questions stories and constantly refers to them, "so as to lead the country."

From an article in a Czech newspaper:

The main event he is working on is a victory in World War II, which is a unifying event for all citizens of Russia. Putin usurped this for himself, imagining himself a supporter of the memory of great historical victories and at the same time their successor.

According to the representative of the Carnegie Center, the Russian authorities constantly say that someone is threatening the country. From the interview:

They say that we must defend our borders in a historical, ideological, cultural, diplomatic and military sense.

Kolesnikov claims that it’s not so much for all Russians as “for Putin, the presence of Soviet monuments in Eastern Europe, including the monument to Marshal Konev in Prague, still symbolizes Russian territory on European territory.” And if, as the interviewee states, someone dismantles the monuments to Soviet military leaders, this challenges his (Putin's) image and weakens the “contrived ideology”.

The material asks why "Putin hasn’t shown himself in this way before." The question of why the monuments to soldiers-liberators had not been demolished in Eastern Europe, the Czech journalist did not raise.

Kolesnikov for Respekt:

I think that deep down he was always the same Putin that we know today. Aggressive, very nationalistic and imperialistic, obsessed with history. His approach is the same, only at first he was not so noticeable, because he does not have to show it. This became more apparent only when economic problems arose in Russia.

It is important to add that Mr. Kolesnikov was previously the chief editor of Novaya Gazeta. In 1999, he received a prize from the Gaidar Institute "for upholding economic freedom in Russia." Today A. Kolesnikov is a member of the board of the Yegor Gaidar Foundation.

Comments

[Svarog]

“Why is it so important for the Russians that in Prague there is a monument to Marshal Konev” -

That history would not be forgotten and not lied .. that would not have made mistakes, fatal, that would have been remembered when feces were thrown into Russia that the Soviet soldiers did not spare their lives, for the sake of saving everyone from the fascist plague.

[Civil]

I think that deep down he was always the same Putin that we know today. Aggressive, very nationalistic and imperialistic, obsessed with history.

Stop touching grandpa Putin. He is already aged, survived the 90s. There are no questions to him. 68 years old this year. And then there's the coronavirus.

[Tatyana]

It is important to add that Mr. Kolesnikov was previously the chief editor of Novaya Gazeta. In 1999 he was awarded a prize from the Gaidar Institute "for defending economic freedom in Russia." Today A. Kolesnikov is a member of the board of the Yegor Gaidar Foundation.

I think that this Mr. A. Kolesnikov says it all, because the market "Gaidar-Chubais" economic reforms - in "Saints" for Naina Yeltsina in the 1990s - 90% of the population of the Russian Federation could barely survive on their own skin.

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[Tatyana]

I think this

It is important to add that Mr. Kolesnikov was previously the chief editor of Novaya Gazeta. In 1999, he received a prize from the Gaidar Institute "for upholding economic freedom in Russia." Today A. Kolesnikov is a member of the board of the Yegor Gaidar Foundation.

everything has been said clearly about Mr. A. Kolesnikov.
As they say, but who judges?
For the market "Gaidar-Chubais" economic reforms - by the way, in the "Saints" of the 1990s, according to Naina Yeltsina, 90% of the Russian population could survive with great difficulty on their own skin.
Statements by A. Kolesnikov about Russia are generally worth little.

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[Xnumx vis]

This is not the same Kolesnikov, not the same .... You need to write about these guys ... "Who among us is the same age, who is the hero, who is world champion *, Captain Kolesnikov writes us a letter." ----
Dmitry Romanovich Kolesnikov (1973–2000) - Russian submarine officer, naval captain, lieutenant commander of the movement division turbine group (7th APRK compartment) K-141 Kursk; died in the crew of the Kursk
And about it Mr wheeled rope crying soaped rope ...

[Valery Valery]

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[Ros 56]

Well, go with him to the tatami or to the ice with a club, and we'll see. What do you like women in market languages ​​scratch.

[seregatara1969]

And to remember the brown plague. How many lives it cost the world. To never happen again.

[Uncle lee]

Monument to Marshal Konev in Prague

Monument from the word memory! And they would remember who they worked for until May 45, until Konev’s army covered this Nazi bench!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: seregatara1969

And to remember the brown plague. How many lives it cost the world. To never happen again.

The monument to Konev in Prague is the memory of our Victory over the brown plague, and for the Czechs it was a reminder of their defeat in WWII.

[Alex Justice]

The question of why the monuments to soldiers-liberators had not been demolished in Eastern Europe, the Czech journalist did not raise.

And so it is clear. Because governments in Eastern Europe were puppet.

[avg]

The question can be reformatted more simply - Why do Russians not like it when they try to shit on their heads? Any Czech himself will be able to answer such a question, and there will be no need to call the "unworthy" Mr. Kolesnikov and listen to his idiotic fabrications.

[Pravodel]

So that the traitors of Russia do not constantly lie in the tomb, but spin, and that their current heirs show themselves and die of malice. After all, there should be such a thing?! ... True, she is always stronger than traitors, freaks.

[knn54]

Neovlasov listen-do not respect yourself.
More than 60% of the population was opposed when the Czech Republic joined NATO. And what has changed?

[Pvi1206]

Why is Russian so important

in the West, Russians are called all Russians ... amusing ... they, of course, are the majority in the country ... but not in power, which masquerades as Russians ...

[Vladimir_2U]

with a representative of the Moscow office of the Carnegie Center Andrei Kolesnikov

He would have asked Mr. Shpakovsky’s opinion on the Soviet past.

[Pete mitchell]

And in my opinion this contradicts the logic

interview with a representative of the Moscow office of the Carnegie Center ....

Since when has the Carnegie Center voiced the opinion of the inhabitants of Russia? So honestly they would say - uncle, overseas / paid / ordered, I would like the opinion to sound like this ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

uncle, overseas / paid / ordered, I would like the opinion to sound like this

For this, the Carnegie Center exists, and I work for it with different chariot drivers who are able to pour slops on their country and their people. Others are not kept there.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: tihonmarine

For this, there is the Carnegie Center, and I work on different chariot wheels for it .... Others are not kept there.

I have to admit that with frames partners know how to work ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

I have to admit that partners are able to work with personnel ..

This cannot be taken away from them.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: tihonmarine

This cannot be taken away from them.

Here the main thing is probably the motivation, especially if you look closely at the history of the head of the Moscow center: where he studied for example ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

especially if you look at the history of the head of the Moscow center: where he studied for example ...

Clearly, the United States is more likely, or in the west. The manner of writing and speech is the same for them.

[The district]

Quote: tihonmarine

The monument to Konev in Prague is the memory of our Victory over the brown plague, and for the Czechs it was a reminder of their defeat in WWII.

Not defeat, but rather betrayal and work for Hitler .. Do you remember "they" raised the uprising? Like Hitler they need again .. Well, they were shown the animals .. The GDR soldiers did not cerimonize with them .. They knew their essence. Just like the Poles .. (this is from the memoirs of our officer)
Now the bastards are raising their heads again? Can the Archives fully open, who were you under the Nazis?

[Pete mitchell]

Do you want to be surprised - google it: in the Union they also knew how to cook ...

[Gardamir]

That's interesting why the Kremlin is so important that in Russia there were monuments to the Czech invaders during the civil war?

[AU Ivanov.]

Where is the Czech Corps occupiers? These are, in general, prisoners of war who have switched to the side of the Republic of Ingushetia. And the fact that they were used for their own purposes, both white and red, does not do us honor.

[Siberian54]

In the sense of Czech Vlasov? Yes, dear Andrei, these are pure invaders in the Ural-Siberian land, they did not fight against their homeland of Austria-Hungary, they rebelled against the Russian authorities and the Russian people.

[AU Ivanov.]

Was the power legitimate? Pure water usurpers.

[Siberian54]

Then answer yourself how legitimate the authorities are in Kiev. How legitimate is Poroshenko who sent an army to kill people in the Donbas or Zelinsky who continues this dirty trick?

[KVU-NSVD]

They say that we must defend our borders in a historical, ideological, cultural, diplomatic and military sense.

That is precisely why most Russians support him. But according to Mr. Kolesnikov, this is bad.

[Vasyan1971]

A. Kolesnikov is a member of the board of the Yegor Gaidar Foundation.

Then there is nothing surprising in this. gayDarov's delirium is not. From rowan oranges are not born. The product is purely for Czechs, like "there are honest thinking people in Russia." Yeah, I mean - yeah.

They say that we must defend our borders in a historical, ideological, cultural, diplomatic and military sense.

Of course, we should not do this. Come, good people, take what you want. We will only be glad! Yeah, in the sense - yeah ...

[Strashila]

"for Putin, the presence of Soviet monuments in Eastern Europe, including a monument to Marshal Konev in Prague, still symbolizes Russian territory on European territory," that someone canceled the decision to divide into zones of occupation following the war. Our eastern zone remained with Russia, so that our tanks can go to Berlin on all bases, returning to the places of deployment left in the 90s.

[L-39NG]

This was not the Russian zone, but the Soviet one, which disappeared with the disappearance of the Soviet Union

[Strashila]

"which disappeared along with the disappearance of the Soviet Union," and they forgave the same for the debts of the USSR.

[L-39NG]

Well, why immediately forgiven. Russia has repaid its debt to the Czech Republic, on the basis of an agreement since 1994, in the amount of 3,6 billion US dollars. Debt arose during the USSR. If questions arise, then this is to the Russian Foreign Ministry and to the Russian Ministry of Finance.

[mikh-korsakov]

One of my favorite contemporary Russian thinkers, Alexander Zinoviev, once aptly noticed. "They were aiming for communism and ended up in Russia." For me, to hell with him, with communism, let the scientists deal with this. One thing I know - personally for me and my family under Soviet rule, life was not so much better in material terms, but calmer - I was calm about my family and my work. Also, even at the end of the Soviet era, I felt respect for my country. Example: I received a Swedish or Austrian visa on the same day after submitting a carelessly completed application to the consulate and free of charge. And try now to get a visa, even a non-Nenna one, even an American one - they will ask you about your salary, and where you work, and you will stand in line, and they will look at you crookedly, and then you will pay a LOT. And I am silent about the correct filling of the application. A whole group of "experts in filling out an application" has grown up, and you will pay them too. That is why I am against the demolition of the monument - and it is not about Putin. Metiyat in Putin. but end up in Russia.

[Avior]

Example: I received a Swedish or Austrian visa on the same day after submitting a casually filled application to the consulate and free of charge.

Still would.
So many people from the Union traveled there that the consular ones from boredom did not know what to do, if the design work fell into their hands, they rushed at it as a demobilization of the Soviet Army on their girlfriend upon arrival home .....
By the way, were there consulates then? or just an embassy?

Again, somehow you forgot about exit visas from the USSR, and the youth now don’t even know about them.

The fact that embassies are checking now has been checked by the district committee before, and the embassies knew this very well.
I remember how my father studied in the evenings of the newspaper for two weeks where there were any strikes in the world - he was preparing for a commission in the district committee before a trip to the GDR and Czechoslovakia .
And what's the point of checking then the salary was to the embassy, ​​if Soviet rubles for currency could be legally exchanged except perhaps a pittance?

[ccsr]

Quote: Avior

I remember how my father studied in the evenings of the newspaper for two weeks where there were any strikes in the world - he was preparing for a commission in the district committee before a trip to the GDR and Czechoslovakia

Do not drive the wave in vain - we had more than half a million troops in the GSVG, and without any problems with visas we went there, getting a passport already issued. It was the same in other groups of troops, not to mention Cuba, Mongolia, Vietnam, where our military was also. Well, a huge number of our foreigners according to the sailor's passport dangled around the world, although in order to get it, you had to go through the verification procedure, where not so much the party committee played the role, but the check in the KGB. If you saw some of our sailors who even managed to fly to foreign ports even in Soviet times, then you would understand why you had to carefully check them before issuing a sailor's passport.

Quote: Avior

if Soviet rubles for currency could be legally exchanged unless a penny?

I don’t know what pennies you’re talking about, but in addition to the thirty rubles allowed for export abroad, I also changed 500 rubles at the official rate when I went on a business trip to the GDR for ten days. It was decent money in terms of stamps, not counting travel money - it was 1986.

[Avior]

Do not drive the wave in vain - we had more than half a million troops in the GSVG, and without any problems with visas we went there, getting a passport already issued.

Where were you so smart then? It was necessary to go to the district committee and fist stricter on the table so why are you calling all sorts of commissions for Soviet tourists if it’s half a million to our people there!
And then they arranged checks, panimash, in several stages!

Would you see some of our sailors who, even in Soviet times, managed to fly into foreign ports

I saw our Soviet sailors, who had an important problem, to behave in such a way that they allowed them on their next voyage, otherwise they could return and not leave again.
Well, in general, I’ll tell you, congratulations, I’m lucky for you, business trips, change the currency as much as you want. But a simple Soviet tourist was far away from you.
And then you and the previous speaker will be honored by young people and will think that it was a trifling matter to go abroad before.

[ccsr]

Quote: Avior

Where were you so smart then?

I actually served, and going abroad was accompanied by an admission check - then it was strictly with that.

Quote: Avior

why are you calling on all sorts of commissions of Soviet tourists,

I did not go abroad as a tourist — I had to solve other problems, which is why I was resting in the USSR.

Quote: Avior

Well, in general, I’ll tell you, congratulations, I’m lucky for you, a business trip abroad,

There was one business trip, and then there was also service in the GSVG, but believe me there, in addition to the military, a huge number of civilian employees worked - anyone who served there will confirm this to you. And I’m not even talking about trade missions - in Leipzig alone there were several of them from different ministries.

Quote: Avior

But a simple Soviet tourist was far away from you.

Yes, I’ve been banned for another ten years after the end of my service - so don’t be very envious, I’ve never been abroad again.

Quote: Avior

And then you and the previous speaker will be honored by young people and will think that it was a trifling matter to go abroad before.

For more than forty years my brother has been hanging out on the seas, visited more than 80 countries of the world, my classmate friend has been on annual business trips more than once, although he worked as a simple locksmith on a "floating sea". And several more of my acquaintances traveled abroad during the Soviet era for work - so it was not such a rarity then, as you imagine.

[Avior]

Not unusual? Besides my father, I didn’t know anyone at all then who would travel abroad as a tourist.
And only much later did he recognize people who traveled abroad during the time of the Union.
In the original post, it was about a trip in 1990, then it really became easier, but it was about Austria and Sweden, and I still don’t know who would go there in Soviet times.
Well, the sailors, perhaps, could go further than Hungary-the GDR.

[ccsr]

Quote: Avior

, and I still don’t know such people who would go there in Soviet times.

We built dofiga abroad, so many of our people worked in different countries, and this was not uncommon. Some lived there quite well - like in a resort. I’m not even talking about our athletes or cultural figures - they have also been abroad more than once. As for holidays abroad, we did not have so much currency so that any worker could rent a hotel room in a western resort - that’s where they went cheaper, i.e. in the socialist countries. Which of our workers from the construction site can now rent a room in Courchevel - I think that he should be put off for such a trip for many years.

[Avior]

The theme, in my opinion, is so obvious that there is nothing to argue about.
Each Soviet person could not only drive to Paris or Las Vegas, but also marry a foreign movie star and even buy a Mercedes for himself. The usual thing.
And the Trocadero site in general was just clogged with ours, they won’t be fulfilled.

An ordinary Soviet man with his wife.

[ccsr]

Quote: Avior

but also marries a foreign movie star and even buy a Mercedes for himself. The usual thing.

In vain you are ironic - in the GDR one could meet a former compatriot of ours who married a German, I myself was in the same compartment with one when she returned from the Union. And the officers of the NPA often came across Russian wives - they married them while studying in the USSR. As for "Mercedes", not everyone drives them in Germany either, and if they do buy, then many in the secondary market. They just really estimate the cost of transport, that's why they don't show off with the brand of the car.

[Avior]

I'm not at all ironic that you are.
Another example is Marina Oswald, wife of the Kennedy assassin.
So what?
Does this somehow mean that in the USSR there were no difficulties with leaving?
You are aware that in order for Vysotsky to get the right to travel to his wife, this very wife had to first join the local Communist Party and then turn to Brezhnev personally at a meeting, and only then he was allowed to go to his wife.
But Leonid Ilyich was alone, and there were many Soviet people.
And not everyone had a wife, a first-level star, a member of the French Communist Party, to personally ask Leonid Ilyich about this.

[ccsr]

Quote: Avior

Does this somehow mean that in the USSR there were no difficulties with leaving?

There were difficulties, but those who tried to overcome them. Although I do not deny that some individuals did not have a chance to leave for various reasons.

Quote: Avior

You are aware that in order for Vysotsky to get the right to travel to his wife,

There is no need to recall Vysotsky, our outstanding bard - after all, he was a heavy drinker and took drugs, which is why he was restricted from traveling.

Quote: Avior

But Leonid Ilyich was alone, and there were many Soviet people.

And people like Baryshnikov and their spouses Belousov also came across among Soviet people, if you remember who they are.

[Avior]

And this is generally a separate issue.
Article 64 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR

...... flight abroad or refusal to return from abroad to the USSR, assistance to a foreign state in conducting hostile activities against the USSR, as well as a conspiracy to seize power, is punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of ten to fifteen years from confiscation of property and with reference to a period of two to five years or without reference or the death penalty with confiscation of property.

But in general, I wrote about the complexity of the exit.
My father didn’t let one out in the group; his grandfather didn’t fight for civilians for those.
And do not care that he had never seen this grandfather.

[ccsr]

Quote: Avior

My father didn’t let one out in the group; his grandfather didn’t fight for civilians for those.

It was he who told you so, but what he really was unlikely to tell you. I knew one person who also said that he was expelled from the VDA because of problems with his wife’s relatives, but it turned out that the person simply did not pull out his studies, and above all the language. So everything could be simpler, but you will not know.

[Avior]

it’s about the fact that people sat and decided whether you could be let go abroad or not.

[wandlitz]

I don’t know how others do, but I personally had no problems traveling abroad. But concretely, this was the case:
1976, I am 18,5 years old, the first trip to the GDR or rather to the GSVG, as much as two whole years.
1981 tour to Czechoslovakia for 11 days, just signed up at the factory in the trade union committee. True, they summoned us to the party committee and asked all sorts of crap about which they told us every evening on TV in the program "Time".
1982 the second trip to the GDR, more precisely to the GSVG as a free-rider for three years. Also no problem. I went to polyclinics longer, filled out a list of thirty medical specialists.
1987 year trip to the GDR for 12 days, no obstacles.
Only in the department at the factory where the foreign tours were distributed, they asked:
“Have you been abroad?”
- It was five years old.
- Good. Ride it.
In 1990, Bulgaria and again no checks.
This could happen to everyone in our factory during the Soviet era.

[Avior]

Yeah. The cool thing for the Soviet man was to hit the border.

[Siberian54]

I don’t know .. in 1972 I bought a ticket to the trade union committee (by the way, 1200 rubles — four of my salaries), I gave my passport to the ovir, took 6 photos, received vaccinations at the clinic, after 20 days I received a fully issued international passport, and I could withstand boring, but mostly substantial three-hour conversation in the district committee and a week later from Odessa left for a two-week cruise around Europe

[Undecim]

Do not drive the wave in vain
And why drive?

[mikh-korsakov]

Sergei! Not true, I traveled to these countries in 1990-1991. , used to be restricted to travel abroad. Specifically in line at the consulate. As I remember now, the queue at the door of the Swedish consulate was about twenty: by four o'clock everyone had received it. At this time, no visas from the district committee were required. As for the currency, I did not go as a tourist, but on business trips to call the receiving side, which paid me business trips. In Vienna, in particular, I was accommodated in a five-star Hilton, although I was an ordinary specialist who was invited to a meeting on a specific scientific problem. That was the attitude towards Soviet people. As for trips to the socialist countries, then there was no visa required at all. My superiors went there. The interview on their reviews was rather formal.

[Avior]

it is clear that in the region of 1990, plus or minus was a short intermediate stage.

[Hagen]

It would be difficult to assume that the organization sitting on the financial leaks at the US Department of State would say something different. The Carnegie Moscow Center is a working body of American national intelligence. By the way, the State Department is officially part of the structure of the US intelligence community second after the CIA. In fact, this center should have been slammed long ago. It is not clear why they tolerate it?

[maiman61]

Russian is so important because the Czechs capitulated to Hitler in the most shameful way! I don’t even remember such shameful ones, even the Poles fought to the fullest!

[Pavel73]

Do we think that Russia is constantly being threatened? Firstly, not "someone", but the West. And secondly, after Napoleon and Hitler, we have the right to think so. And the demolition of monuments to Soviet soldiers in Europe is another confirmation of this. The West is itching to do so and wants a new war. Perhaps without realizing it.

[iouris]

The Russian Federation did not defeat either Hitler or Napoleon. While for thirty to forty years "our elite" was destroying the (former) state (USSR), including the armed forces, the healthcare and education system, other (foreign) elites organized the export of very cheap (previously very expensive) raw materials from the Russian Federation and remaining brains, seized the territory, water area, air routes of the FSU. Now is the time to resolve the remaining "issues".

[kpd]

And where does "it is important to have a monument"?
If the monument had been removed by prior agreement with Russia, and not demonstratively, then there would be no special noise. The question is not even that the monument was removed, but in what way it was implemented. Well, Russia would buy the monument for a certain amount and take it out of Prague or refuse, it would have been a decision of Russia. And so - it was a demonstrative diplomatic "slap in the face".

[faterdom]

Do our Vlasovites talk with their collaborators about the merits of Marshal Konev? This is how pathogenic bacteria would be penicillin evaluators.
They also have an "opinion" ...

[Shahno]

Quote: Civil

I think that deep down he was always the same Putin that we know today. Aggressive, very nationalistic and imperialistic, obsessed with history.

Stop touching grandpa Putin. He is already aged, survived the 90s. There are no questions to him. 68 years old this year. And then there's the coronavirus.

Well, what are you again. I have a critical attitude to Putin, to put it mildly, I don’t like dictators, I can’t help myself ...
No need to kick those who cannot answer you ... and your President is clearly not in the know.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Shahno

I do not like dictators, I can not help myself ...

One question - what does Putin have to do with dictators?

[iouris]

Konev's troops took Bohemia, part of the Nazi "millennial Reich". Now in the Czech Republic, Eastern Europe and the former USSR (say, part of the FSU), its second revision is being laid. The monument is a symbol of the defeat of the Reich 1.0.

[L-39NG]

But also a monument to the forcible introduction of Stalinist ideology, from which, in the post-war period, a huge number of people suffered in the "Soviet zone" in Europe

[pytar]

Strongly disapprove of the demolition of monuments! The past can be assessed ambiguously, but the monuments must remind it of future generations! In the given case from the monument of Konev, it could be moved to another place and this is the internal affair of the Czech Republic. It happens that this kind of displacement happens in connection with beautification activities. But so to take and demolish, it’s like the Taliban and Ishilov’s blew up historical objects! I am outraged.

[iouris]

This is not a matter of morality; it is a question of real politics.

[pytar]

This is not a matter of morality; it is a question of real politics.

Yes! You are unfortunately right! Wherever politics intervenes, morality recedes.

[iouris]

History develops in a spiral. Morality as a factor of politics can not be taken into account; therefore, one should restrict oneself to obtaining objective estimates of the potential difference.

[Pavel57]

Monument - from the word memory. Demolition of monuments is one of the steps in rewriting history by losers.

[Mavrikiy]

the representative of the Moscow office of the Carnegie Center Andrei Kolesnikov

Well, out of 140 million. it is difficult to find a more competent and unbiased figure broadcasting on behalf of the people.

"Far-fetched ideology"

any ideology is the fruit of the mind. Kolesnikov , therefore, he took advantage of the far-fetched Western ideology.

[Mountain shooter]

The title changes the main meaning. It is important for us not that the monuments are standing, but that they are NOT TOUCHED!
"History is written by the winners, and therefore there is no place in it for the defeated" - this is how this quote sounds. And they shouldn't declare themselves winners. Most of them are mongrels and collaborators ...

[andrew42]

Yes, it is useless to explain to unicellular organisms that Putin has nothing to do with it. Their business is to lick the boots of the American master; he is for them a "liberator" from unwanted Liberators. We were under an Austrian boot, then under a Nazi boot, then we gained independence under the Red Banner, - it didn’t work - we ran under an American boot, where they breed gay-ropean tolé plant in complete comfort. Great Independent Sovereign / Czech Republic. Ugh, Cech in the other world burns out of shame for the "valiant" descendants. For us, let at least in any position the Kama Sutras stand in front of the owner. But the Russians don't give a damn about their souls - be prepared to receive for this. The gentlemen of Czech formalist lawyers should not forget that the monument to Konev was erected by the Czechs, although they were communists, but nevertheless the Czechs, at their own will and at their own expense. If the Czechs do not respect their history, then there is nothing to spit in Russian history and in the memory of the fallen Soviet soldiers. and the monument must be taken away / redeemed. Otherwise - dishonor to us.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Yes, we will live without this Carnegie, and without this Kolesnikov, all the more.

[north 2]

only one thing is obvious that Russia was very late with an angry reaction, because the demolition of the monument
Konev has another crime with the demolition of monuments to Soviet military commanders-liberators
Europe from fascism. And all these barbarities began back in the nineties with the demolition of the monument to Army General Chernyakhovsky in Vilnius and the transfer of the monument to Voronezh. And then, after the demolition, the monument was transferred to Voronezh only on the initiative and through the great labors of the relatives of Chernyakhovsky, otherwise this monument would have been rotted to the liberator general in the courtyard of some warehouse or would have been exhibited as an exhibit at some museum of the so-called occupation, as an exhibit of the occupier. But after that, after almost thirty years, trains with tanks with transit Russian oil and with cars of transit Russian coal from Russia both went and are still going to the port of Klaipeda, although the new ports built in Ust-Luga and Pionersk are in excess of forces to handle these transit cargoes and Russia to send its transit goods through its ports. And the distance from the entrance to the territory of Lithuania to the port of Klaipeda is actually the same as the distance from the entrance to the territory of Lithuania to the Kaliningrad and Pioneer seaports. And for the money earned for Russian transit through the port of Klaipeda, Lithuania maintains NATO bases and an airfield on its territory and feeds American soldiers.
And after the mockery of the monuments Chernyakhovsky and Hero of the Soviet Union Melninkaite, everything went and went. Monument Bronze Soldier in Tallinn, Monuments to the Hero of the Soviet Union Nikonov in Tallinn, Monuments to the Soviet military commanders-liberators in Poland and Ukraine. And the reaction from Russia is only the Foreign Ministry's slurred wiping of its own snot with the statement that Russia is deeply sorry. It is high time to understand that through demolition of monuments comes an ode from strategic attacks of the hybrid war, which implies the destruction of Russia without firing shots through distortions of history and through depriving the memory of the great mission of the Soviet soldier of the liberator. Of course, the liberator soldier is also a symbol of the spirit of the Russian World and of Russian civilization itself. And this, too, according to the plan of the Anglo-Saxons and their lackeys, should be destroyed in the same way. The Vedas of the USSR were destroyed without a single victim of Anglo-Saxon soldiers or civilians. On the flip side, Soviet citizens and Soviet soldiers died in the republics during the destruction of the USSR. but the Anglo-Saxons do not give a damn about it. The goal has been achieved.

[K. Sergey]

The persons mentioned in the article are clearly "distorting".
The problem is not that someone would like a monument to stand somewhere.
The problem is that once the monument, and even the liberator, was not dismantled under far-fetched pretexts, and even on the eve of this liberation. As if someone did not relate to the facts of history. Attitudes toward facts change, but history does not.

[1536]

And what do these "Carnegists" want from us? Practicing fascists are in power in the Czech Republic, because there is no other name for the people who remove the monument to the man who liberated them from fascism in 1945. All these American centers still receive money and contain a considerable staff of either informers or agents of influence, and all those "working" in them, as a rule, are Russian citizens. So what do you need? To destroy the country so that, like in the 1990s, people began to fear for themselves and their families, their children and loved ones? For a civil war to break out, for the occupying armed formations to enter here in the form of "Ukrainian troops" with American commanders? Is this what all these boorish mordovorotov with well-hanging tongues want? We have been seeing some of them on TV screens for 40 years, and now also on the Internet, others have just been born, but as if through IVF, i.e. from the same mordovorotov. What other "light" do they want to kindle, what "truth" to convey to us? Even if we assume that at the expense of Russia, in the end, all this evil in the United States and its hangers-on around the world will last another 50 years, then what will they do when this period ends? They all have a limited time, they are eternally yesterday. They were born and immediately lived their lives aimlessly like dandelions. What have they created? Who will remember them in the future?
That is why it is painfully a pity that the monument to the Soviet Marshal was demolished in the Czech Republic. Because this is only the beginning, it is a signal to all the scum inside the country that their time has "come". And if you do not stop it at the very beginning, the consequences will be unpredictable. And we still have the ambassador of this Czech Republic traveling around Moscow, and all kinds of trash pour slop on the heads of people, citizens of our country. Once again you are convinced that "freedom is a conscious necessity."

[DDT]

Here again they scold Putin on what the light stands. Although nothing really depends on Putin in this matter. Personally, I am increasingly bothered that the Military Review is becoming a platform for stupid trolls with funny old Slavic and meaningless pseudonyms, confident that the rest of the world is to blame, that everything is so bad everywhere that everyone around wants the conditional West , attacked the conditional East and what is the soil being prepared for everyone and everything? Neither in Germany nor in France, I have never read such comments. Hateful, arrogant, and most importantly pointless. I want to give food for thought to all these nationalists, homespuns and others, when it was Soviet Russia, which gave the world Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Korolev, etc. This was all inflated and presented. The main thing was what to present. Today we have Baskov, Kirkorov, Rogozin ... Whose present is not something that is bad, they are not needed by anyone.
I’m not a liberal, I still believed and still think so, the Russian, Russian people have not grown up to liberalism, democracy or any other form of government that provides for self-government based on collective and individual responsibility, a sense of patriotism and tolerance towards their fellow citizens who think not like everyone else.
About the monument, have any of you been to Prague? And now how many of you came up to him, took pictures, put flowers? A lot of those?

[ccsr]

Quote: DDT

I am not a liberal, moreover I believed and still think so, the Russian, Russian people have not grown up to liberalism, democracy or any other form of government

Yes, we have not yet fallen into insanity to entrust the management of the country or the upbringing of its rising generation to people like you or this prokhendey Kolesnikov — that is why you hate us. Well, the Czechs once again proved that their dastardly habits of licking other people's asses will probably never disappear with time - it is a pity only for our dead ancestors who died there during World War II.

[DDT]

Who exactly are you and to whom specifically to us? Or are you one of those with funny Slavic pseudonyms? Which would you write, paper can stand it? And who is Kolesnikov? Personally, I am asking you a question when you were in the Czech Republic? Have you been to Prague specifically? Have the flowers been attributed to the monument?

[ccsr]

Quote: DDT

Who exactly are you and to whom specifically to us? Or are you one of those with funny Slavic pseudonyms?

I am an ordinary person who has life experience and does not believe statements like you.

Quote: DDT

Personally, I ask you a question when you were in the Czech Republic?

In general, I have never been there, as in many other countries where our monuments are demolished. That is why I have great respect for even our former enemies the Germans, who do not fall so abominable.

Quote: DDT

Have the flowers been attributed to the monument?

I did this many times in Germany when I served there. And what does this change in assessing the behavior of the Czech authorities?

[DDT]

But I need a reaction from the Czech authorities. I do not understand the howl of the Russian public associated with this. Or is it an attempt to distract people from more pressing problems in their own country? You can look and drag any bill directed against your own people into the Duma, the public is busy with demolition of monuments abroad. Everything as Saltykov-Shchedrin described.

[Pushkaryov]

The foreign little fry is wiping their feet about you, but you don't care? Your homeland is humiliated, but you don't care? Then it means that I can do the same with you - and I am pleased and you do not mind.

[DDT]

Question, have you been to the Czech Republic? Did you plant flowers for the monument? Or instead drank a beer in Karlovy Vary and ran around brothels? So I don’t need here to bother anyone who wipes his feet.

[L-39NG]

I think that our ancestors, whom you call "white Czechs", have proved that they do not lick someone else's ass, but are able to stand up for themselves. It is not for nothing that the so-called "red commanders" fall into hysterics when they remember the Czech legionnaires. They themselves are to blame, they obeyed the Bolsheviks, but they had to work out the German money.
I think it's time to stop the attacks on us. Otherwise, it will turn out that I will answer you as you do me, but I will be accused of violating the rules of the site, and you will be given a plus. Let's hope that Voennoye Obozreniye does not cease to be a Voennoye Obozreniye, which corresponds to the spirit and letter of Article 29 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation on freedom of thought and speech, and does not turn into a journal enforcing the policy of the "party and government", encouraging "all agree" and repressing those which do not float on the general friction, lowered from above.

[Pushkaryov]

Yes of course! In my hometown, your ancestors are still remembered - you robbed him well in 1919. They grabbed so many things that they couldn’t take them away — they had to throw junk on the road, so that they could get off fast with the reds — out of a dozen city printing houses and then there weren’t enough cars and one, so I had to equip the expedition in your wake so that at least something abandoned pick up. So yours at the same time also spoiled the abandoned - neither ours, nor yours! and the Entente’s ass was licked quite well, do not be shy. Barbarians!

[Alex Justice]

Interestingly, in the West there are monuments to American and English generals? I have not heard of any.

[L-39NG]

Monument Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery - Brussels,
Monumento al General Patton. Avenida Georges Kennedy, Ettelbruck. Grossherzogtum Luxemburg.
Rummage - there is, but usually monuments put to soldiers

[DDT]

It seems that somewhere there is a monument to McNamara ... Felts in Normandy, felts still where. I'm not interested. And how will they react if they remove him, too. I’m strange about the reaction of people who before that didn’t even know where the monument stood, to whom and in general who Konev was, such snot bred here, as if Marshal was their own grandfather. Like the same fanatics who killed bloggers Charlie Yebdo for the cartoons of Muhammad ...

[Alex Justice]

There would be a Soviet control zone, they would be forced to demolish them.

[DDT]

I don’t know whether they would demolish it or not. I only know that the site has become a hotbed of trollism. Moreover, I would write to write what and how they do not care. I urge the governments of the CIS countries to abolish self-isolation. People don’t go for a roof. So before the revolution, do not live long

[The district]

Konev we will not forgive them, Nazi bedding! We will lay out the archives by who you were in the occupation and how you surrendered to both this and that .. You will keep the answer, much was hidden from us in the days of the USSR!
Well now let's see ..

[L-39NG]

There is such a paradox, what was a plus turns upside down. The liberator turns into an occupier, and executes, and sends to uranium mines all those who do not agree with the Stalinist line. Because of this, the monuments to Soviet marshals, as apologists for Stalinism, raise doubts and discussions, but no one touches the monuments to the Red Army.
And, regarding the archives, lay out everything, including those how “you” liquidated the opposition disagreeing with Stalin, although “you” were not there, however, as during the war. How many "you" were in 1945, if not a secret?

[DDT]

Another crazy ... Who will hold the answer? Who do you not forgive? Why are you even crawling with meaningless comments ?!

[Siberian54]

Article - "white noise" hammering the stupid actions of Czech nationalists. It is clear that the Sorovsky grant-eater leads the discussion aside

[north 2]

the slogan of the Proletariat of All Countries, Unite has had and still has tragically deceptive consequences for Russia itself as a state and for its citizens. Such a utopian unification is possible only under conditions if the capitalist and the rich do not understand that the unification of the proletarians and revolution occurs only when there are many hungry people in the country. The capitalist and military industrial tycoon quickly realized this after the revolution in Russia and fed his proletariat, gave him pensions and vacations, insurance and a good salary. And already ten years after such a changed relationship with the proletariat, this well-fed proletariat in Germany had already forged forged weapons to Hitler and with pleasure dreamed of how to enslave the proletariat in Russia. The one that the Germans called for unity, while the German proletariat beat the hungry. The Soviet proletariat naively thought that a well-fed German would unite with some kind of hungry Czech for the implementation of the revolution. But the capitalist and the military industrialist fed the Czech proletariat, and that well-fed one also forged the arms of Germany.
The Russians in the USSR, realizing the utopia of the union and fraternity of the proletariat of different countries, hoped that
brothers and sisters are the republics of the USSR, because they are united with the proletariat of Russia. The naive Russians did not see that only the Byelorussian SSR was self-sufficient and did not require subsidies from the RFSSR, and the remaining thirteen republics sat like parasites on the neck of the RFSS and sucked
subsidies. And how much subsidies from the USSR were sucked up by the same Czechoslovakia or Poland, But if in the USSR itself the Russian SSR subsidized all the republics except Belarus, so did Czechoslovakia with Poland too
then it was subsidized by one RFSSR and Byelorussian SSR, because the remaining thirteen republics of the USSR
and so did not make their ends meet.
And the most amazing thing is that the Russians after all these utopias did not learn logic, but that even relatives can turn into bastards and actual enemies. It’s better for centuries a proven good ally than such a relative, especially the relative who for several decades jumped on the neck of Russia from sucking subsidies, and then separated and left himself all the wealth that the Russian SSR gave him and built. I’m here not so much about the Czech Republic as about such a relative as Ukraine.
And if there are no reliable relatives, then Russia does not need to worry about this. Russia has reliable
allies. This is her Army and Navy, and the other allies are just another utopia about unity, about internationalism and reliable relatives ...

[DDT]

God, how are you bulbashi already zadolbali with your inept attempts to cling to the Russian Nazis. In the same way, Czech and Polish Nazis believed that their friend was a Nazi from Germany, and they would go along with them to destroy the rest, "non-Nazis" ... Write further, maybe a plus sign

[Rome]

Importantly, not a monument in the square, but the attitude! Life is changing and it may well be that the monument does not quite fit into the new design of the square, but with the removal of the monument, the heroes who saved Prague were shown to be neglected and continue to be expressed! They also make claims to our indignation over the attitude towards the Russians and our soldiers and commanders!
The monument could be moved with reverence for their feat and there would be no question! And so, we will remember it ...

[L-39NG]

You, as I see, do not know how many monuments and memorials the Red Army is in the Czech Republic
Monuments, memorials and memorial plaques on graves, on the places of death of the Red Army soldiers and just as a memory remain in their places and every year wreaths are laid on them, or at least bunches of flowers. All Russian tourists coming to Prague are offered to visit the Olshansky cemetery and honor the memory of the Red Army soldiers buried there. If 5 percent of these tourists come there, excellent. The rest are shopping, beer and shank, but at home in Russia they will beat themselves in the chest, as they are offended by Konev.
The monument to Marshal Konev will be placed in the newly created Museum in the memory of the twentieth century. When will the museum open ...? And Moscow did not immediately build. Now disputes are being held about the place of creation of the museum, to build a new building or take advantage of an existing one. But it will be in Prague.
And remember, remember. This is what we can do.

[DDT]

I completely agree with you. My ex-wife lives in Prague, and when I came to see them, I asked to see the monuments to our soldiers and Marshal Konev. It was interesting to me. She is absolutely not for example, although she is Russian. By the way, the same situation happened in Tashkent with the monument to the Uzbek general Sabir Rakhimov. The monument was dismantled to be moved to the new Victory theme park. But Moscow smelled so much that it was already scary. Even notes of protest were sent to the Uzbek Foreign Ministry ... Not everything is in order in the East Slavic kingdom. And, apparently, such "orders" come from the very top.

[Rome]

If everything was as rosy as you describe, then there would be no noise! The monument was not moved to another prepared place, but was immediately removed to the warehouse, ready to be given to anyone who wishes, moreover, at the request of the Russian Foreign Ministry in violation of any agreements! To our indignation, the answer follows that this is the business of the district administration, that's all! + All this scandal fit perfectly into the anti-Russian agenda in Europe and the Czech Republic doesn’t react to this!
We will remember: that when the Czech Republic is once again pressed, we need to think how much our help will cost the Czech Republic and whether their payment is beneficial to us!
And I’m even interested in what you remember, or remember?

[Pushkaryov]

Why be rude at the same time, civilized you are ours? We have a saying; “It’s not you who built, and it’s not up to you to break!”, And if you break, then do it at least delicately, and not like a Western European savage. In such cases, your "excuses" about museums are not accepted, and your "memos" for us are an empty phrase. Do not make us nervous - you will regret it, but it will be too late!

[APASUS]

“Why is it so important for Russians that a monument to Marshal Konev be in Prague”

That would not have put a monument to Hitler at this place!
This is of course a "conditional expression", but I conveyed the meaning exactly

[Gennady Fomkin]

"For Putin, the presence of Soviet monuments in Eastern Europe, including the monument to Marshal Konev in Prague, still symbolizes Russian territory on European territory." In Little Switzerland, they even managed to get an official document in which the community of the Ursern Valley was inferior to the Russian Empire for a land plot on which the monument to .SUVOROV was built. This is now a piece of Russian land in the center of Europe. By the way, how are the hereditary lands of Ekaterina Alekseevna in the mountains. Stezin is the capital of Pomerania (Pomerania). Nowadays the city is called Szczecin, among other territories it is voluntarily transferred by the Soviet Union, according to the results of World War II, Poland and is the capital of the West Pomeranian Voivodeship of Poland?

[iouris]

Is this the first cadence?
PS
1) Cadence in musical performance is a virtuoso solo, the same as a performing cadence
2) Cadence - the term of office of an official or authority (the term is used in a number of countries: in Israel, in Ukraine (!)

[LeonidL]

Indeed, is Putin so worried that the Russians are all talking about his victory in World War II? This is all not true! The truth is that Czechs won the Second World War, even without the help of the Slovaks, they, only by their joint performance with the Red Army, violated the Czechs' struggle for improving the quality of production of military equipment!

[sleeve]

Why really? Victory is the act of dividing good and evil. The monument is a sign of this act. You choose a monument, an understandable reaction from those who paid for this act of separation with a sea of ​​blood. All states have something to present to each other. But it is advisable not to confuse the banks and to measure both your own significance and the significance of the topics touched upon in politics. Otherwise, you can lose your state. Moreover, the Chekhovs have experience of "hope" for the civilized West. 38 oh, 68th ... You need to take care of yourself and remember your history. There, in that story, it was written in blood in time who should not be enraged, who should be trusted.

[sleeve]

"removes", not "choose". Sorry.

[Pushkaryov]

in general, it’s their business to erect or not erect monuments, but when they are rude, it’s impossible to remain silent; this is humiliation. And to allow your feet to be wiped off is harmful for us and for the boors. The Czech Republic and Russia are incomparable sizes: they are None, they will disappear and no one will even notice, and Russia is a whole WORLD, civilization. Therefore - to extrude them in full, so that others would not be discouraged to speak!

[DDT]

Your hands are short in general and in particular you have to press anyone. That's when they grow back, then the monuments will cease to be cleaned and an authoritative opinion will ask you

[Pushkaryov]

it is strange to read something like "hands are short!" - you yourself accuse us that our arms are too long. Nothing, we know how to wait: our hands will grow to the RIGHT length and we SHORT them for you, as it should be in a decent society (as we have done more than once). And we will teach you politeness, since you are such savages and do not understand either the first time or the other.

[DDT]

What, and no one put a plus sign ?! I sympathize

[Awaz]

Monuments to Soviet soldiers in European cities were specially erected so that some would always remember that it was not necessary to go "nah ost", and others would remember who saved their ancestors from the gas chambers ...
Unfortunately, at the moment, people are having problems with memory again. Well and yet, all that is happening is another objection to fascism.