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Carrier "Poseidon": announced data on the timing of tests of the nuclear submarine "Belgorod"

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RIA Information Service News citing its own source, it reports a period of time during which tests of the Belgorod submarine will continue. This nuclear submarine is unique in that it will be the first experimental submarine to take on board such weaponlike Poseidon.


Poseidon is a nuclear torpedo that is being created as part of the Status-6 project. For the first time, data on this type of weapon were officially announced by President Vladimir Putin in 2018.

Source RIA News claims that the tests of the nuclear submarine Belgorod, related to the project 09852, will last another about a year and a half. And if these tests are successful, then the submarine, which was originally an analog of the Kursk nuclear submarine, will be prepared for deployment to the Russian Navy - transfer the fleet.

It is important to note that in the near future the Khabarovsk nuclear submarine, which is also positioned as the carrier of unmanned underwater vehicles with the Poseidon nuclear installation, will be launched.

K-329 Belgorod is being built at the Sevmash plant. The submarine was launched a little over a year ago. In this case, the laying of the submarine took place in 1992. Earlier it was reported that the Belgorod will enter the arsenal of the Russian Navy "until the end of 2020." If we take into account the data on testing for at least another year and a half, then it turns out that adoption can only take place by the end of 2021.
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  1. Alien From
    Alien From 26 May 2020 06: 44 New
    +5
    Just the morning of the successes of the late Union .....
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 26 May 2020 06: 49 New
      -7
      Quote: Alien From
      Just the morning of the successes of the late Union .....

      In Chukotka, it seems like a helicopter crashed.
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 26 May 2020 06: 53 New
        +4
        Really......((((
      2. Kat
        Kat 26 May 2020 07: 18 New
        -1
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        In Chukotka, it seems like a helicopter crashed.

        Hard landing was, military helicopter
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 26 May 2020 09: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Kat
          Hard landing was

          Mdaaa! So, if an aircraft falls, then someone calls it a "hard landing" ... request
          1. Cympak
            Cympak 26 May 2020 10: 21 New
            +1
            These "someone" are propagandists who have come up with the idea that if you call the explosion "cotton", and the plane crash - "hard landing", then life in Russia will be better and more fun.
            1. Mikhail m
              Mikhail m 26 May 2020 11: 11 New
              +5
              I am more moved by "negative growth rates".
    2. Civil
      Civil 26 May 2020 07: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: Alien From
      Just the morning of the successes of the late Union .....

      I’ll go and carry out the political information to the department, as before the class at the beginning of the week. laughing
      And so yes "the American military and the conspiracy against ...."
      "advances in the development of the defense industry ..."
      "the war in the middle east ..."
      "Turkish puppets and their western chiefs ..."
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 26 May 2020 08: 45 New
        13
        The coolest thing is that they always told the truth .....
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 26 May 2020 06: 45 New
    0
    If we take into account the data on testing for at least another year and a half, then it turns out that adoption can only take place by the end of 2021.
    So yes, there is a shift to the right, and unfortunately this will not surprise anyone.
  3. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 26 May 2020 06: 53 New
    -9
    I sincerely hope it's still some kind of powerful trolling bluff, with the aim of winding up a potential opponent!
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 26 May 2020 08: 54 New
      10
      Poseidon I agree to acknowledge something reasonable and not at all cut exactly in one case. If we could transport a gigatorpeda on a trailer of a tank truck to the nearest river or sea pier, there it would be lowered into the water by a truck crane and sent to the last journey .. Doomsday weapons. But unfortunately this is not so. And in the conditions when a catastrophe with multipurpose nuclear submarines is ripening, to re-drink 949 ave. Into the carrier of Poseidon, and to build another unique carrier, I personally consider treason. IBO at the output we get 2 single-purpose media with a unique acoustic portrait. Conclusions of double interpretation do not have.
      By the way, the creation of Gigatorpeda has been studied since the 70s, described in the book of Gusev. Torpedo life.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 26 May 2020 09: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        By the way, the creation of Gigatorpeda has been studied since the 70s, described in the book of Gusev. Torpedo life.

        Yes, this idea since 1949. lives and triumphs (T-15).
        1. Operator
          Operator 26 May 2020 14: 15 New
          +1
          The design of the T-15 torpedo as a power plant involved the use of a combined cycle gas turbine. The project was rejected due to the short range of the torpedo (40 km) and the associated need for the use of a carrier submarine in the indicated PLO zone. The T-15 project was closed in 1954.

          Sakharov’s dead-end idea about using a much larger torpedo on the same gas-vapor course to deliver the Tsar bomb to the target dates back to 1961.

          From the T-15 "Canyon / Poseidon" got only the dimensions and displacement. The rest (titanium body to ensure a submersion depth of 1500 m, nuclear power plant with a fast neutron reactor with lead coolant, 100-Mt warhead in a new form factor, ballast system for changing buoyancy, high-frequency HAS for orientation along the bottom surface, film acoustic stealth coating , magnetic antenna for VLW radio reception, inertial navigation system, BIUS) at the "Canyon / Poseidon" was developed from scratch.
          1. Fizik M
            Fizik M 26 May 2020 16: 51 New
            0
            Quote: Operator
            The design of the T-15 torpedo as a power plant involved the use of a combined cycle gas turbine.

            lol
            Andryusha, do not fuck this nonsense, it hurts! You have already endured lol
            the T-15 had an ELECTRICAL installation
            stupid for SELF-EXIT
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 26 May 2020 09: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        Gigatorpedoes ...

        It turns out the "shelf" of terms has arrived! There were ... 1.Super torpedoes; 2.Megatorpeda; 3. Grand torpedoes ... now the gigatorpedos have emerged! fellow Actually, "Poseidons" are more functional than "banal" torpedoes, albeit "large"! What does AUV Poseidon not like? (Autonomous Unmanned Underwater Vehicle)? Possible UUVs (Unmanned Underwater Vehicles ... that is, remotely controlled.)
        1. Cympak
          Cympak 26 May 2020 10: 03 New
          +2
          So there are serious problems with remote control underwater. The sound channel unmasks the control boat and has a limited bandwidth. The fiber-optic cable ties the AUV to the carrier boat on a rather short "leash". The main thing is to "spend" on this junk from the 70s of the last century two hulls of multipurpose nuclear submarines ....
          In general, I wang that they will drown this "no analogue" megalo-torpedo. the money will run out. As if there is nothing else more useful to spend?
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 26 May 2020 10: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: Cympak
            The fiber-optic cable ties the AUV to the carrier boat on a rather short "leash".

            If we are talking about AUV [autonomous (!) Apparatus ...], then FOCLs no longer "participate"! Remotely controlled UAVs are already a more simplified "category" ... (not "Poseidons"!), Although they also "have a place to be"!
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 26 May 2020 13: 23 New
            +2
            Since the 70s, a lot of things have changed including materials, electronics, power sources and much more.
        2. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 26 May 2020 10: 26 New
          -3
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Super torpedoes; 2. Mega torpedoes; 3. Grand torpedoes ... now the "gigatorpedoes" have emerged
          And what to do, the "nano" prefix is ​​already engaged! )))
        3. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 26 May 2020 10: 44 New
          +5
          The main complaint to the Poseidons is that 2 nuclear submarines were sacrificed to them. Former pr.949, it would look much more adequate in the form of pr.949AM Caliber carrier. And there is also Khabarovsk - this is minus 885 project.
          Let me remind you today in the ranks of 8 SSBNs and 12 multipurpose nuclear submarines. Multipurpose nuclear submarines are already too few - and the tasks for them are higher than the roof.
      3. +5
        +5 26 May 2020 10: 09 New
        +2
        949A is not very multi-purpose ..... a huge carrier of super-anti-ship missiles, anti-aircraft weapons.
        And maybe Poseidons should not be allowed directly from the shore? It is not a fact that Belgorod will trample far from the place of tsbazi, to let Poseidons ..... and 8 or 9 949's - what's the difference? Yes there is a P-700 for him? Or were Zircons at the time of construction?
        And so - a terrible thing (we will not evaluate its real fear), our SDI - let the partners react ...
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 26 May 2020 10: 27 New
          +3
          Quote: 5-9
          And maybe Poseidons should not be allowed directly from the shore

          Why not? winked Can ! There was once an article on VO about "tracked" submarines! yes You can also put "Poseidons" in sea containers (20/40 feet) on container ships ... fellow
        2. Cympak
          Cympak 26 May 2020 10: 29 New
          +2
          The Poseidons cannot be launched from the shore. The proof of this is the construction of nuclear submarines. They wrote that immediately after the launch, a significant drawdown of the Poseidon is needed to the depth of the "raskachegarivanie" of the nuclear reactor on board. Megalo-torpedo is required to develop speed so that hydrodynamic forces would allow it not to sink and maintain the required travel depth. And the reactor cannot be started in advance, because no bio-protection.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 26 May 2020 10: 48 New
            +1
            Well, in this form it is meaningless ..... Why - wrote above. In order to become a true doomsday weapon, one must be able to release even from a yacht marina. Let them think.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 26 May 2020 13: 26 New
            +2
            Its bioprotection is the hull of the torpedo itself and the container itself in which it will be stored from which it will be launched in case of war.
        3. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 26 May 2020 10: 45 New
          0
          I humbly hint at the 949 project as a multi-purpose submarine more effective than the Beasts, because it has a lower noise level than pr.971 ....
          1. +5
            +5 26 May 2020 10: 51 New
            +1
            Thank you, I didn’t know .... but still a huge boat, the main weapon of which is completely different, that multi-purpose submarines use

            Although today's Ash is also healthy and crammed
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 26 May 2020 11: 16 New
              +1
              Ashen and 949 ave., The difference is 4500 tons of oil and about ... And the length of Ash is 10 meters shorter
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          2. Sky strike fighter
            Sky strike fighter 26 May 2020 11: 08 New
            +4
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            I humbly hint at the 949 project as a multi-purpose submarine more effective than the Beasts, because it has a lower noise level than pr.971 ....

            It can’t be. Just 971 the project is half the displacement than 949A, invisible Antey. Since Pike-B is a torpedo submarine designed to hunt submarines. Using the analogy with aviation, we can say that the 971 project to gain superiority under water like a fighter , and 949A is conditional as a fighter-bomber, whose task is to fight against the AUG.
            1. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa 26 May 2020 11: 19 New
              +4
              In fact, it turned out, oddly enough.
            2. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 26 May 2020 13: 33 New
              0
              Maybe .... Dimensions and / and in this matter (acoustic visibility) are not determining factors. So to put it in your 949 project, it’s rather a multi-role fighter ...
          3. Fizik M
            Fizik M 26 May 2020 20: 54 New
            0
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            949 project as a multi-purpose submarine is more effective than Beasts, because it has a lower noise level than pr.971 ....

            it's a little bit wrong
            the noise is a bit higher (not much at all)
            acoustics A LITTLE worse ("Pelamida" instead of the long GPBA 971 and its onboard antennas)
        4. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 26 May 2020 16: 06 New
          0
          The beginning of the modernization of 2 ships pr.949 Chelyabinsk и Irkutsk in the media of RK Caliber passed you?
        5. Fizik M
          Fizik M 26 May 2020 16: 44 New
          -1
          Quote: 5-9
          949A is not very versatile ..... huge

          normal he is multi-purpose
          noise and maneuverability almost at the level of 971
      4. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 26 May 2020 11: 18 New
        +3
        Since 1984. 1984 justification, in 1987 the laying of the first carrier.
      5. Vadim237
        Vadim237 26 May 2020 13: 20 New
        +2
        Most likely, Khabarovsk was built by analogy with Belgorod.
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 26 May 2020 14: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          Most likely, Khabarovsk was built by analogy with Belgorod.


          Khabarovsk is the head submarine of project 09851, as the head 955 and 885 at one time. Project 09853 is a serial submarine, like the serial 955A and 885M. And Belgorod is a research multifunctional submarine which was built from the backlog of unfinished project 949A and therefore it is unique in its own way and singular. But it can carry Poseidon as well.
          in Severodvinsk, work is underway on the construction of a nuclear submarine of project 09853. In particular, the development of a new submarine is known from the annual report of the Severodvinsk branch of Rubin Design Bureau - Rubin-North Design Bureau.

          By the serial number of the project, you can find out that a similarly designed submarine is being created, as well as special-purpose submarines 09851 Khabarovsk and 09852 Belgorod.

          But there is no information whatsoever about project 09853 itself, because the content of the work is not deciphered. Submarines of projects 09851 and 09852 are being built in the strictest confidence. Belgorod is going to be launched next year, and Khabarovsk in 2018.

          It is known about the Belgorod nuclear submarine that it is a research submarine, but its functions are very diverse. Experts suggest that they will test the weapons of the future on it, and after a series of tests, they will put it on Khabarovsk and the very mysterious project 09853 submarine.

          http://нд29.рф/?p=118437
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 26 May 2020 19: 39 New
            -2
            The case of the 955th under Poseidons is small in diameter. So, most likely Khabarovsk was made on the basis of the Belgorod project.
            1. Sky strike fighter
              Sky strike fighter 26 May 2020 20: 33 New
              0
              Well, compare the sizes 09851 and 09852.
              The performance characteristics of the project submarine 09851 Khabarovsk have not been officially disclosed. According to data from open sources, the displacement of nuclear submarines is about 10 thousand tons, speed - 30−32 knots, depth of immersion - 500 meters, autonomy - up to 120 days, crew - at least 100 people.

              https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/04/23/perspektivy-noveyshey-apl-habarovsk-s-yadernym-dronom-poseydon-eksperty

              Khabarovsk, unlike Belgorod, was built from scratch. Belgorod is currently the largest submarine in the world. One of a kind.
              K-329 Belgorod of project 09852 is the Russian nuclear submarine (NPS), the only representative of this project, the carrier of unmanned aerial vehicles of the Poseidon type.


              Surface displacement
              14 700 t
              Underwater displacement
              30 000 t
              The length is the greatest
              (on design basis)
              184 m
              The width of the body naib.
              18,2 m

              https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A-329_%C2%AB%D0%91%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%C2%BB
            2. Fizik M
              Fizik M 26 May 2020 20: 52 New
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              The case of the 955th under Poseidons is small in diameter. So, most likely Khabarovsk was made on the basis of the Belgorod project.

              WRITTEN written
              for 955 cases based on designs 971 and 949A (they have a difference in diameter of 10 cm)
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 27 May 2020 15: 14 New
                -3
                You just wrote nonsense - in the 955 project the width of the hull is 13,5 meters and in the 949 - 18,2 meters. And the basis is the same, with a difference of 10 centimeters in your fantasies.
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    2. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 26 May 2020 10: 48 New
      -1
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      I sincerely hope it's still some kind of powerful trolling bluff, with the aim of winding up a potential opponent!


      What are your sincere hopes connected with? And do not hope that this is a bluff.
      Belgorod is a research submarine with extremely broad functions. But there is reason to believe that a fundamentally new weapon will be “run in” on it. And then it will apparently be installed both on Khabarovsk and on the new boat that has just surfaced in the open sources of Project 09853.

      But before we talk about the new ship, let's get back to the sensation that happened last November. Then, during a meeting in Sochi on the development of the defense industry held by President Vladimir Putin, two federal television channels, as it were, mistakenly showed a slide with the heading “Top Secret”. It contained the concept and timing of the implementation of the Status-6 ocean multi-purpose strike system. They also “lit up” the developer - TsKB Rubin, and the purpose of the system. And it is this: “the defeat of important enemy economic facilities in the coastal area and the infliction of guaranteed unacceptable damage on the territory of the country by creating zones of extensive radioactive contamination unsuitable for long-term military, economic, economic and other activities in these zones."

      When deciphering the screenshot of the Ministry of Defense, which hit the television screen, it was found that the Belgorod and Khabarovsk boats should be the carriers of the new weapons, despite the fact that they are so far assigned to the Main Directorate for Deep-Water Research (GUGI) of the Ministry of Defense. The GUGI has nothing to do with strategic weapons, but here we are talking about superweapons. The fact that in fact both promising boats will have to be part of other structures of the Navy is evidenced by a lot of indirect evidence. For example, on the tab “Khabarovsk” not a single representative of the GUGI was present.

      The secret purpose of the boats of projects 09851 and 09852 was discussed back in the summer of 2015, when the commander-in-chief of the Navy at the Army 2015 forum said that fifth-generation boats were already being built in Russia. Searches of the projects most suitable for this role and implemented by shipbuilders were brought to Belgorod and Khabarovsk.

      https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/152608/
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 26 May 2020 11: 09 New
        -1
        Well, why another uninformative article?
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 26 May 2020 11: 11 New
          0
          Moreover, so that you do not have illusions that Poseidon is supposedly a bluff.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 26 May 2020 11: 14 New
            0
            But is it Poseidon that he is accused? Maybe he is not a "killer of seaside cities" at all?
            1. Sky strike fighter
              Sky strike fighter 26 May 2020 11: 18 New
              -1
              This is a continuation of the Soviet T-15 super torpedo project on a new technological base. In the above link I wrote about Poseidon as a continuation of the T-15.100 megatons topic and I am a warhead to trigger tsunamis with which you can wash off coastal cities. ICBMs.
              Quote from the same link I quoted above.
              The “knights of the cloak and dagger” from Langley by that time already had common ideas that “something extremely serious” was being actively developed in Russia. At the same time, it was believed that this was the reanimation of the T-15 torpedo project, which was supposed to deliver a 100-megaton nuclear charge to the US coast.

              T-15s began to be created in the early 60s. However, due to the lack of a compact nuclear reactor that would allow for a course of several hundred kilometers, the project was closed. Electric motors on batteries allowed delivering a 40-ton colossus 24 meters long no further than 30 kilometers. Thus, the submarine, to carry out a combat launch, had to enter the zone of massive anti-submarine defense of the enemy. And undermining the 100-megaton charge at a short distance from the boat promised her enormous trouble.

              After half a century, the problem of a compact nuclear reactor for a propulsion system ultra-long torpedoes has been solved. However, significant progress during this time has occurred not only in nuclear energy, but also in control systems, and in electronic components, and in materials, and in other components of torpedo weapons. Yes, and in the strategy and tactics of the Navy. Therefore, “Status-6” is a completely new development that has in common with the T-15 only a record range and charge power.

              The most significant difference from the unrealized Tsar Torpedo project is that this weapon is not a torpedo, but an underwater robot with computer intelligence and capable of operating independently at a distance of several thousand kilometers from the carrier. That is, from the submarine that launched it.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 26 May 2020 11: 23 New
                -2
                Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                100 megatons and I'm a warhead to trigger a tsunami with which you can wash away coastal cities
                And are you so confident on the basis of the open press and Putin’s statement? GDP and the press dofig what they said that it was not fulfilled, or fulfilled, but through ... Although they can lie to their people, and they try to tell the truth to partners.
                1. Sky strike fighter
                  Sky strike fighter 26 May 2020 11: 45 New
                  +1
                  Across the ocean, no one denies these data, unlike you. And if you do not believe this is your business.
                  1. Fizik M
                    Fizik M 27 May 2020 19: 54 New
                    0
                    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                    And if you do not believe this is your business.

                    looking WHAT to believe
                    YOU look like - IN CARTOONS
              2. timokhin-aa
                timokhin-aa 26 May 2020 21: 26 New
                +1
                By the way, one of the reasons why the T-15 was hacked was that the probable enemy in the world had only two bases in which it could be launched in a straight line. The rest were and are in different bays, crooked bays, etc.
                1. Fizik M
                  Fizik M 27 May 2020 19: 49 New
                  +1
                  Quote: timokhin-aa
                  By the way, one of the reasons why they cut down the T-15

                  the reason was simple - the rapid progress of ICBMs and nuclear weapons
          2. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 26 May 2020 11: 20 New
            +2
            This is not a bluff, of course, hundreds of millions and billions of people flew to this sawmill every year since the beginning of the 90s.
            True, it is meaningless from a military point of view, but these are trifles.
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 26 May 2020 11: 50 New
              -3
              Quote: timokhin-aa
              This is not a bluff, of course, hundreds of millions and billions of people flew to this sawmill every year since the beginning of the 90s.
              True, it is meaningless from a military point of view, but these are trifles.
              Critters, it would be better if they spent this money on ekranoplans! Hundreds of ekranoplanes! No joke about ekranoplans, but not about creatures! No offense. )))
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 26 May 2020 19: 44 New
              -2
              How do you know that from the beginning of the 90s, maybe they started working on Poseidon in this concept in the middle of 2000? In the 90s, there was no money whatsoever and there was no need to talk about any millions at that time; everyone was sitting on a dry ration.
              1. timokhin-aa
                timokhin-aa 26 May 2020 19: 46 New
                0
                Yeah, but nothing that his first carrier immediately went with a huge TA under a mega-torpedo?
                In the 90s, funding was cut, but then it flowed back through ONFP, because the topic of ONFP was largely driven by Rosatom.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 27 May 2020 15: 16 New
                  0
                  It flowed there again - you won’t call the amount that flowed there once you claim it means you know it.
                  1. Fizik M
                    Fizik M 27 May 2020 19: 19 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    you don’t call the amount that flowed there once you say it means you know her.

                    indirectly, it can be estimated
                    with a careful study of the anniversary books of some firms
                    specific numbers are not there, but there is a COMPARISON with a number of others, according to which the numbers were
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 27 May 2020 19: 37 New
                      -2
                      You don’t have any exact numbers at all - solid guesswork and that may be all. And indirect and other figures sucked from a finger do not interest anyone.
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                  2. timokhin-aa
                    timokhin-aa 27 May 2020 20: 15 New
                    0
                    I estimated it approximately, since no one already knows the exact costs of this topic. Since 1984, much has changed, if that, including exchange rates.
                    But in general, built and built taking into account carriers, there should be somewhere around 120-140 billion at current prices.
                    By the time the future "Khabarovsk" was commissioned.
                    Something like this.
              2. Fizik M
                Fizik M 26 May 2020 20: 51 New
                0
                Quote: Vadim237
                How do you know

                1. YOU are spelled with a capital
                2. I have already mentioned the last name Gusev. This is one of three (Butov, Gusev, Akopov) persons who prepared the "starting" document for the resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers on this topic
                3. A MASS of "coverage" on this topic - from government purchases to anniversary books of companies
  4. Kat
    Kat 26 May 2020 07: 11 New
    +2
    Russia is rearming itself, despite all the obstacles .. It is not for nothing that the United States has quieted down in recent years, only screaming about the "Russian threat".
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 26 May 2020 07: 30 New
      +5
      The United States did not quiet down for this reason (that we are rearming), but because of a change of goals, because the Iranian threat, the Korean one, etc., are not heard, but 2020 is the beginning of the breakdown of US-China relations, and it is China that is now target number 1 , due to the size of its economy and an attempt to be technologically equal to the USA, therefore, Americans will save forces / resources in other areas.
      1. Kat
        Kat 26 May 2020 08: 07 New
        -4
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        it is China that is now goal number 1, due to the size of its economy and attempts to equal technologically the United States, so Americans will save forces / resources in other areas.

        So yes, but if it were not for Russia, then China would be soaked economically and militarily. It is not for nothing that in the liberal media, Russia is constantly frightening us with the "Chinese threat", etc. The West is afraid of the Russia-China union, etc. The Chinese people, of course, are talented and hardworking, but in geopolitics they are puppies and are trying to sit out ..
        As they say, if you sit by the river for a long time, you will see a corpse floating your enemy .. Without the support of Russia, China will not last long! This is my opinion ... And the assaults are going on. Especially the West wants to pit Russia and China .. It will not work out with India .. They need a warfare to write off debts!
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 26 May 2020 09: 18 New
          -1
          Quote: Kat
          So yes, but if it weren’t for Russia, then China would be soaked economically and militarily quickly

          You have four mistakes in the word "USSR". And now it is already fraught with watering China: the West keeps all its production there; there is still a big question, for whom such "soaking" will hit harder in the end.

          Quote: Kat
          Without the support of Russia, China will not last long!

          Remind, please, what is that support? Well, besides the obvious function of the lightning rod for the American strategic nuclear forces.
          1. +5
            +5 26 May 2020 10: 16 New
            +2
            It is a lightning rod ... an unspoken roof .... both the Russian Federation and the USA can destroy China as a competitor / state with acceptable losses (within the framework of the war for world domination) for themselves.
            The NRMC became unacceptable for both parties only after the recognition of MUD, mutual guaranteed destruction (today - causing unacceptable losses) .... the fact that gays are allowed to marry and Greta Tunberg does not mean at all that the world became grassy as soon as the balance is violated, one threat to force the weak side to surrender ... all the more so because the world is in crisis ... both times were resolved by world wars
    2. Cympak
      Cympak 26 May 2020 10: 10 New
      0
      They have more serious problems - COVID-19 and a falling economy. And everything is so good here that it was forbidden to import cheap imported gasoline into the Russian Federation ....
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    1. Break through
      Break through 26 May 2020 07: 59 New
      -3
      "Cartoons" are already in the troops. So ok wink
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 26 May 2020 08: 08 New
      +8
      but you have everything with a hammer))))
  6. GMM
    GMM 26 May 2020 07: 28 New
    -5
    For some reason, I immediately remembered the words of the Civil Defense group:

    I bought a Korea magazine
    Everything is fine there too.
    There is comrade Kim Jong-un
    There, just like ours
    I'm sure they have the same thing
    And everything goes according to plan
    Everything goes according to plan
    Everything goes according to plan...
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty 26 May 2020 07: 30 New
    +1
    From the same series, when it is desirable to keep silent about secrets, and not shout at all media!
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 26 May 2020 08: 16 New
      +2
      From the same series, when it is desirable to keep silent about secrets, and not shout at all media!

      then the situation is reversed. Sofa experts will scream: "Again they hide from us! Since we have not seen this, then this does not exist!" laughing
    2. Fizik M
      Fizik M 26 May 2020 16: 42 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      it is advisable to keep quiet secrets

      You tell this "sawmill" for this FUCK;) - there have already been SO MUCH ...
  8. Break through
    Break through 26 May 2020 07: 58 New
    -2
    Well waiting tongue
  9. Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
    Vladimir Nizhegorodsky 26 May 2020 08: 16 New
    -8
    We are looking forward to the carrier of "Poseidons".
    Waiting for our vorogi.
    The submarine "Belgorod" is a trial series.
    Further time will tell.
    1. Cympak
      Cympak 26 May 2020 10: 16 New
      -3
      As the Americans said about "Poseidon": "Of course you can destroy us one more time ...." What is the meaning of this woodwafe? Dirty ocean and coast? I propose, in the event of the destruction of the Russian Federation in the course of a global thermonuclear war, to jerk dirty nuclear bombs around the perimeter and dirtiest the entire planet. In terms of costs, it is significantly cheaper than Poseidon.
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  11. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 26 May 2020 10: 29 New
    -2
    Presumably "Belgorod" is armed with more than one "Poseidon" ...
    If other weapon systems on it are debugged, nothing prevents the Navy from adopting it in 2020 and at the same time STARTING testing Poseidon as much as necessary ...
  12. Operator
    Operator 26 May 2020 10: 39 New
    -3
    "Belgorod" and "Khabarovsk" - a plague for Russophobes of all stripes bully
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 26 May 2020 11: 22 New
      +2
      No, this is an incentive for inadequate to prove themselves by throwing bonnets in the air.
    2. Fizik M
      Fizik M 26 May 2020 16: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Operator
      "Belgorod" and "Khabarovsk" - a plague for Russophobes

      Andryusha, are you addicted to "white powder" again? lol
  13. Old26
    Old26 26 May 2020 12: 27 New
    +3
    Quote: Vladimir Nizhny Novgorod
    We are looking forward to the carrier of "Poseidons".
    Waiting for our vorogi.
    The submarine "Belgorod" is a trial series.
    Further time will tell.

    That we will wait for the carrier - no doubt about it. The question is different. How and when the autonomous tests of Poseidon will end and the tests will begin with the same Belgorod
  14. Voltsky
    Voltsky 26 May 2020 13: 21 New
    -1
    But how will the Poseidons swim back ?! Or do they have exclusively percussive features?
    I would like to believe that these ships act precisely as the carrier of underwater drones, and not the machine of the response apocalypse
    1. Cympak
      Cympak 26 May 2020 15: 14 New
      0
      There is no way back to the nuclear submarine for Poseidon, because the reactor has already been launched, but its biosecurity is not provided for with the known weight and dimensions. I am afraid that something similar to the disaster at Nyonoksa in 2019, when another nuclear wunderwaffle was tried to be lifted from the bottom of the White Sea, might happen on the Poseidon tests.
      1. Voltsky
        Voltsky 26 May 2020 16: 04 New
        -1
        If I understand correctly, this whole thing works on liquid metal, and as practice has shown, they can still be muffled and then reheated. I just can’t understand the concept of a carrier if it cannot take them back on board; then what's the point of building a carrier ?! If you can hollow out a base in a rock, and in which case release them from there
        1. Cympak
          Cympak 26 May 2020 18: 56 New
          0
          The liquid metal reactor cannot be shut down, for sure. the coolant crystallizes and the reactor cannot be restarted. Judging by the scheme leaked from the presentation in Sochi and the data of state purchases at Poseidon, a conventional pressurized water reactor. And the meaning of the carrier submarine is to bring Poseidon to a great depth, so that after launch the reactor can start up before the megalo-torpedo reaches the bottom. Posedon needs to move in order not to drown.
          1. Voltsky
            Voltsky 26 May 2020 19: 21 New
            -1
            Quote: Cympak
            The liquid metal reactor cannot be shut off, as the coolant crystallizes and the reactor does not start again

            and infa what I read says the opposite :) In 70g it was thought so, now the information has changed, a third-party "potbelly stove" heats the coolant and then we start the heart

            Quote: Cympak
            The carrier nuclear submarine is to bring Poseidon to a great depth, so that after launch the reactor will have time to start before

            brushless idea then
          2. Fizik M
            Fizik M 26 May 2020 20: 48 New
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            Quote: Cympak
            A liquid metal reactor cannot be shut off

            it is already possible
            it used to be impossible
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 26 May 2020 19: 45 New
          -2
          The same can be said about ICBMs on the Premier League.
          1. Fizik M
            Fizik M 26 May 2020 20: 46 New
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            Quote: Vadim237
            The same can be said about ICBMs on the Premier League.

            fool
            before you publicly flog nonsense, YOU did not try to include the mind? lol
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 27 May 2020 15: 17 New
              -2
              You don’t even understand what I wrote about - so the brain needs to be turned on not for me but for you.
              1. Fizik M
                Fizik M 27 May 2020 19: 16 New
                0
                Quote: Vadim237
                the brain needs

                Do you have it? Something quietly ... lol
        3. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 26 May 2020 21: 28 New
          +1
          Data on the type of reactor fell into the public domain. This is not LMW.
  15. Evil 55
    Evil 55 26 May 2020 15: 02 New
    0
    After 70 years, they again returned to the idea of ​​T-15 .. it’s not enough to see nuclear rubbish in the ocean is lost, we still have to try ..
    1. Fizik M
      Fizik M 26 May 2020 16: 40 New
      0
      Quote: Angry 55
      After 70 years, they again returned to the idea of ​​T-15 ..

      unlike this Crap T-15 was quite adequate (for its time)
      see my article on her
      https://www.vpk-news.ru/articles/30562
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 26 May 2020 19: 49 New
        -4
        Crap is not crap - it's not for you to make such loud conclusions.
        1. Fizik M
          Fizik M 26 May 2020 20: 44 New
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          Crap is not crap - this is not your conclusion

          1. YOU are capitalized
          2. YOU swim too shallow, and carry too much nonsense to "weigh" at least something
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 27 May 2020 15: 26 New
            -3
            Yes, you don’t pulsate like that - my rubbish, compared to the crap that you dumped on the Internet for all to see, even 10000 does not weigh. Go further along the clave knocks mediocrity underwater subjects. And the problems of the fleet are known to everyone without your conclusions.
            1. Fizik M
              Fizik M 27 May 2020 19: 15 New
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              Quote: Vadim237
              that you dumped on the Internet

              1. YOU are capitalized
              2. "Lazha"? So refute! In the meantime, cover your "gurgling"
              3. Drink some water, and howler screw up the monsieur "general-major" lol
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 27 May 2020 19: 45 New
                -3
                I don’t have to refute anything. Poseidon’s carriers are already launching and they are testing the system itself - and your slurry on the Internet, based mainly on the assumptions of booklets of anti-submarine systems in Western countries and also on books fifty years old, will remain on the Internet in the form of icteric garbage and disappear in the same pile of rubbish on other topics. Continue on scribbling anti-submarine clowning should continue, but it’s somehow boring.
                1. Fizik M
                  Fizik M 27 May 2020 19: 51 New
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                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Poseidon carriers are already launching

                  fool
                  reduce dose lol
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  mainly on assumptions

                  yeah especially Gusev ...
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  icteric garbage

                  jaundiced rubbish here you are, poor, and your stupid and illiterate "gurgle" lol