The start of assembly of the first prototype PAK YES is reported.

The start of assembly of the first prototype PAK YES is reported.

High-profile names, including data on generations of military aircraft, are often used in the media. Sources allow themselves to talk about the beginning of work on one generation of military equipment, taking into account the fact that there is no “previous” weapon yet.


Today, the network discusses information from the news agency TASS, where, with reference to an unnamed source, the following is stated: the assembly of a prototype of a promising long-range stealth bomber has begun. In a number of other media, including "Tape.ru", immediately stated that we are talking about a "sixth generation" strategic bomber.

According to TASS interlocutors, who are called representatives of the military-industrial complex, the final assembly of the first prototype should be completed in 2021. It is added that the manufacture of elements of the PAK DA glider will be carried out at one of the aircraft plants, but there is no data yet on which one. It is noted that this is a plant from the group included in the structure of the UAC (United Aircraft Corporation).

The material indicates that the development of design documentation has already been completed and that the assembly of the cockpit of a promising long-range bomber has already begun.

It is noteworthy that in "Tupolev" reports on the start of construction of the PAK DA have not yet been commented.

If we talk about generations of combat aircraft, then earlier the classification boiled down to the fact that stealth technology and manned aircraft aviation fifth generation. For the sixth generation, the classification uses (among other things) such a parameter as “drone”. So far, the decision to implement just such a concept when creating a promising long-range stealth bomber has not been reported. And if we consider that we are talking about the beginning of the assembly of the cabin, then at least the initial version is considered as a manned one.
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  1. aszzz888 26 May 2020 06: 25 New
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    Very controversial article. The named fact is immediately refuted. Another fortune-telling on a camomile? request
    1. Mavrikiy 26 May 2020 06: 36 New
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      Quote: aszzz888
      Very controversial article. The named fact is immediately refuted. Another fortune-telling on a camomile?
      absolutely true.
      For the sixth generation, the classification uses (among other things) such a parameter as “unmanned”. So far, no decision has been made to decide to implement just such a concept when creating a promising long-range stealth bomber.
      1. Mitroha 26 May 2020 06: 43 New
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        Firstly, the presence of a cabin does not cancel the drone.
        Secondly, in the news where everything is fortunetelling, it is not known what the journalists interpreted as a booth. We can also talk about the flight control unit, for example, including.
        1. Vladimir_2U 26 May 2020 06: 52 New
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          Quote: Mitroha
          Firstly, the presence of a cabin does not cancel the drone.

          But it already allows you to think that at least the appearance is defined, didn’t come across pictures by accident?
          1. Mitroha 26 May 2020 06: 55 New
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            So these pictures are a wagon and a small cart. Only now there are as many options. And which one is real, if at all among them, is a question.
          2. venik 26 May 2020 09: 02 New
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            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            did not come across pictures by accident?

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            Accidentally came across:


            True, HOW many of these images will match reality - alas - I will not say!
            1. Vladimir_2U 26 May 2020 10: 22 New
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              Quote: venik
              True, HOW many of these images will be true

              Well, with such "correspondences of reality" - "and don’t be a gift, and don’t be a bit for money either!" )))
              1. venik 26 May 2020 13: 21 New
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                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Well, with such "correspondences of reality" - "and don’t be a gift, and don’t be a bit for money either!" )))

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                Well, at least these images correspond to the model and appear to be the most REAL!
                For the rest of the type:



                There is nothing like the "unbridled flight of imagination" of artists, which clearly has nothing to do with the subsonic, subtle long-range bomber.
                Of all that is at the moment, this is a model that underwent blowing in a wind tunnel:

                But this is hardly PAK-DA (rather, a supersonic with variable wing geometry). So that most likely PAK-DA will look exactly as it was shown in the previous comment. Perhaps the shape of the cockpit will slightly and somewhat change and the “ears” at the wingtips will disappear (although the latter is unlikely!).
                There is a photo of the layout of the cabin and the demonstration simulator (2015), where the cabin is slightly different from the images shown:
            2. Aqr009 26 May 2020 10: 42 New
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              True, HOW many of these images will be true ...

              I once listened to an interview with an aircraft designer, there was an episode with a question about a promising bomber.
              So, he said that, outwardly, the new bomber will look like an enlarged Su-34, that no, even approximate, similarities with the American B-2 are not expected, because different schools and directions of development.
              In fact, this will be the further development of the ideas embodied in the Tu-160, namely, the rejection of variable wing geometry and the significant use of new materials, which will overcome the limitations in the fuselage geometry.
              That is, if roughly summed up, it will be an evolutionary development, like the transition from Su-24 to Su-34.
            3. iouris 26 May 2020 12: 42 New
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              PACK YES invisible.
            4. Vadim237 26 May 2020 13: 11 New
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              With this image, PAK DA will definitely have nothing in common except a glider like a flying wing.
          3. Runoway 26 May 2020 10: 25 New
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            In my opinion the most accurate image
            1. Vladimir_2U 26 May 2020 10: 27 New
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              Shaw, and here the nozzles are round ?!
              1. Runoway 26 May 2020 11: 04 New
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                Well, if they haven’t implemented it yet on the hunter request
                In general, in the case of a strategist or a drone, over-maneuverability is not required, I do not think it is difficult to do something like the F-22
                As for the terms, while the fight against corruption does not get closer to the level of the PRC, we will not see new planes or space recourse
                1. Vladimir_2U 26 May 2020 11: 08 New
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                  Quote: Runoway
                  over-maneuverability is not required
                  There are just no claims to round nozzles on the super-maneuverability, claims to them out of visibility, what are you!
                  1. Runoway 26 May 2020 11: 11 New
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                    You didn’t understand this, I meant that for the Su-57 you need to rack your brains as nozzles with a variable thrust vector are implemented in an inconspicuous design, but with a drone and a strategist it’s easier
                    1. Vladimir_2U 26 May 2020 11: 19 New
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                      TO ROUND nozzles LITTLE CLAIMS! If super-maneuverability is not needed, but it is not needed, then round nozzles are not particularly needed, is it not so? But for some reason in the picture they are round, and not covered at all.
                      1. Runoway 26 May 2020 11: 24 New
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                        We are discussing in what place we will plant tomatoes on Mars! I repeat on the hunter at the moment they could not realize, but you want on the strategist in the project
                        Let's hope that there is the possibility of "re-styling" laughing
                      2. Vladimir_2U 26 May 2020 11: 26 New
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                        Quote: Runoway
                        Let's hope that there is an opportunity

                        Startle We will be. )))
              2. Ratmir_Ryazan 26 May 2020 11: 22 New
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                In the PRC, the one-party system and officials find more gold bars than gold reserves of some countries.

                I hope Russia will never catch up with China in terms of corruption.

                And ostentatious executions are just a way to eliminate competitors and shows for simpletons.
          4. DNkroz 26 May 2020 17: 53 New
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            Of course, I can’t see it clearly from my sofa, but, as I heard, the tail unit was abandoned due to low visibility requirements. At the same time, huge winglets are visible. What is the point then?
      2. Ka-52 26 May 2020 07: 42 New
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        Firstly, the presence of a cabin does not cancel the drone.

        formally no. But the concept of UAVs implies an increase in the functional characteristics of the UAV due to the elimination of systems responsible for guided piloting (including pilot life support systems). This allows to reduce the payload, improve aerodynamics, and increase flight range by reducing its own weight and internal volume.
        By the way, in the photo place KK Tu-22
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          5-9 26 May 2020 10: 22 New
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          But the stratobomber’s cabin for 2 pilots doesn’t really eat the volume ...
          1. Ka-52 26 May 2020 10: 36 New
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            But the stratobomber’s cabin for 2 pilots doesn’t really eat the volume ...

            and where did you write off the navigators? what
            1. 5-9
              5-9 26 May 2020 10: 49 New
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              In the 6th or even 5th generation? There are also flight engineers, gunners-radio operators and other nurses and stewards :)
              1. Ka-52 26 May 2020 11: 03 New
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                and other nurses

                Well, the nurses are worth leaving. Do not encroach on the holy!
      3. Iline 26 May 2020 16: 30 New
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        That's right. You can recall the same "Buran". It was implemented as a manned one, but during testing, it flew and landed as a drone.
  2. The leader of the Redskins 26 May 2020 07: 15 New
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    Not an article, but a retelling of news gossip.
    1. Pete mitchell 26 May 2020 10: 04 New
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      hi also read and at a loss - why this is called journalism? Such should work for a sandwich with stale sprats, about source generally silent
      1. ancient 26 May 2020 11: 44 New
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        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        also read and at a loss - why is this called journalism?

        Absolutely agree with you drinks
        From what has been read in this “opus” (you cannot call it otherwise), we can make an assumption that:
        When performing OCD (MF OCD), the following steps have already been taken:
        - development of a preliminary design;
        - development of a technical project;
        - development of working design documentation for the manufacture of a prototype of the VT product;
        and have already begun to manufacture a prototype of the VT product (prototype of the midrange of the VT product) for the preliminary testing phase ..... recourse
        In principle (in theory) this "event" takes place to be, with the mandatory implementation of all 3 of the above steps.
        and the presence of research and development work on the creation of components of intersectoral use, developed for use in military equipment, carried out in accordance with GOST B 15.205 and other regulatory documents establishing the procedure for their creation, agreed with the customer VT., which seems to me still unlikely.
        So, it seems to me that at the present time, measures are being taken to carry out a complex of experimental work (prototyping and modeling) of the product or midrange product.
        1. Pete mitchell 26 May 2020 11: 48 New
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          hi external excursion on the creation of any high-tech device. It is hoped that journalist will read and in the future will at least remember your comment. Then maybe he will start offering sandwiches with fresh sprats ...
          1. ancient 26 May 2020 12: 02 New
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            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            Then maybe he will start offering sandwiches with fresh sprats ...

            But for this he will need to learn more .. "formula of lifting force" and some ... "official position ... in the past" wink .... then they will definitely allow ... "finish the beer" drinks
            1. Pete mitchell 26 May 2020 12: 13 New
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              The problem of modernity is the lack of responsible specialists; there were undoubted advantages in the Soviet education system.
              A food brethren is generally a muddy subject and to catch among them .. difficult. A quarter of a century ago, my comrades crashed, a passage over the strip for a demonstration: the journalists wrote this ... My mother-in-law, who had considerable administrative resources and an unbending ridge, could not stand it and called the editor-in-chief: what are you doing, people have died ... literally: and we are not responsible for what is written... What can I say, such people don’t remember the formula, they won’t get the job, their whole life for the sake of likes
  3. Stas157 26 May 2020 07: 16 New
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    . it's about the sixth generation strategic bomber

    Do not we wave to William, you see, our Shakespeare ...

    Why not the seventh?
    It’s bolder if you jump over generations!
    To act, as our great helmsman exhorted, to be proactive)))

    P.S. If the sixth generation is drone plus invisibility, then the United States has long had a sixth generation aircraft. And they were stupid, they didn’t even know!
    1. Insurgent 26 May 2020 07: 21 New
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      High-profile names, including data on generations of military aircraft, are often used in the media. Sources allow themselves to talk about the beginning of work on one generation of military equipment, taking into account the fact that there is no “previous” weapon yet.


      Of course, talking about the "sixth generation", this is what is called "ahead of the engine" yes .

      But in the very working title “PACK YES,” there is nothing loud. OnlyI emphasize - project title.
    2. kjhg 26 May 2020 09: 33 New
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      Quote: Stas157
      It’s bolder if you jump over generations!
      To act, as our great helmsman exhorted, to be proactive)))

      Stas, hi. Without going into a debate about generations and the technical details of the aircraft, it is more important to draw our attention to the timing of the creation, adoption and purchase of a new long-range aircraft. As an example, you can take PAK FA. It began to be developed in 2002. In 2008, the assembly of the first prototypes began, and in 2010 the first flight of this fighter took place. Today is 2020. Su-57 has not yet been adopted. This year, the first aircraft should enter the army. Suppose that if everything goes well, then the first regiment (a more or less substantial number) will be formed in 2025. And this is with engines that do not meet the initial performance characteristics specified by the MO. Since 2025, of course, they promise to start mass production of the "native" engine. Okay, let's start. In total, 17 years will pass from the moment the assembly begins and the formation of the first regiment. If the PAK DA will meet the same deadlines, which can be called into question with confidence, given the complexity and high cost of PAK DA before the PAK FA, then the first PAK DA squadron will be formed in 2037. Only from this moment it will be possible to begin to consider it, as a new, real force of long-range aviation.
      1. Sky strike fighter 26 May 2020 10: 31 New
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        They promise to roll out the first assembled experienced PAK DA in 2022. From 2022 to 2026 flight tests. From 2026 serial production. With PAK DA, things will go easier than with PAK FA, since this is essentially a subsonic stealth platform for the Kyrgyz Republic.
        1. ancient 26 May 2020 11: 55 New
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          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          From 2022 to 2026 flight tests. From 2026, serial production

          How are you doing .... "just fellow "... as from plasticine ... took and ..." fashioned. "
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          It’s easier with PAK YES than with PAK FA,

          Well, this is ... in general ... "stunning ... conclusion" wassat
          1. Sky strike fighter 26 May 2020 12: 21 New
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            I didn’t take it all from the ceiling.
            Today, according to the PAK DA program, the development of working design documentation has been completed, materials are being supplied to the plant. Another source added that Russian experts began to manufacture the cockpit, and its final assembly will be completed in 2021.
            Recall that in December 2019, the Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Alexei Krivoruchko reported that Russian enterprises began construction of individual parts and parts of PAK DA.

            https://regnum.ru/news/2961552.html
            1. ancient 26 May 2020 13: 39 New
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              Quote: Sky Strike fighter
              https://regnum.ru/news/2961552.html

              I’ve already given you many times video quotes from Professor Preobrazhensky ... but ...... apparently you ... you won’t get through wassat
        2. ancient 26 May 2020 13: 48 New
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          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          From 2022 to 2026 flight tests.

          Those. for all LCI and GSLI you "give only" 4 years? belay Given the fact that the engine on it is only "just planning" to begin to "carry" on the IL-76LL by the end of 2021 .... bully
          1. Sky strike fighter 26 May 2020 16: 58 New
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            I hurried with the deadlines for a year. I apologize. hi
            In January, it became known that the Russian stealth bomber PAK DA will be released in series in 2027. Its preliminary tests will be held in April 2023, and state tests in February 2026.

            https://iz.ru/1015604/2020-05-26/rossiia-nachala-postroiku-pervogo-strategicheskogo-stels-bombardirovshchika
            1. ancient 26 May 2020 19: 39 New
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              Quote: Sky Strike fighter
              In January, it became known that the Russian stealth bomber PAK DA will be released in series in 2027. Its preliminary tests will be held in April 2023, and state tests in February 2026.

              Again, you have some .. "not healthy" optimism is present belay
              Already all the tests you have scheduled for months are only 1 year on the GSLI ... and it’s already a series, but before the series where will they be ... or immediately from the slipway and to the troops? wassat
  4. Thrifty 26 May 2020 07: 27 New
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    In Soviet times, for such news they would give a firing squad to the talkers! And then Democracy, blurt out all the secrets and secrets to the right and left!
    1. ancient 26 May 2020 11: 56 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      In Soviet times, for such news would give

      I agree - In order to ensure compliance with the requirements of TTZ (TK) for the protection of state secrets about the VT product being created at all stages of the development work (SC R&D) after receiving the TTZ (TK) before the start of the implementation of specific measures included in the design work (SC RCH), the head contractor of the work (performer of SC R&D) analyzes the possible channels of leakage of information about the VT and OCD product (SC R&D) and develops organizational and technical measures to close them for each of the R&D stages (SC R&D).
      But since there is such an insider ... does that mean someone needs it? bully
  5. knn54 26 May 2020 08: 33 New
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    -In a number of other media outlets, including Lenta.ru, they immediately stated that it was a “sixth generation” strategic bomber.
    -And considering that we are talking about the beginning of the assembly of the cabin, then at least the initial version is considered as a manned one.
    While “Tupolev” is silent, I venture to suggest that “5+”.
    1. venik 26 May 2020 09: 11 New
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      Quote: knn54
      While “Tupolev” is silent, I venture to suggest that “5+”.

      =======
      WHAT is "generation 5+"- you will not prompt? request
    2. ancient 26 May 2020 14: 58 New
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      Quote: knn54
      While “Tupolev” is silent, I venture to suggest that “5+”.

      While KB is silent, I suppose that this is ... a promising complex with new equipment and weapons ... and for now wink
  6. alexmach 26 May 2020 09: 16 New
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    Contradictory information - inconsistent and article.
  7. ancient 26 May 2020 11: 48 New
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    Quote: aszzz888
    Another fortune-telling on a camomile?

    On coffee grounds, as:
    When carrying out work on the conclusion of contracts for the performance of CSR (SC RCH), as well as in the course of the execution of CSR (SC RCH), their participants are required to comply with the requirements of the legislation of the Russian Federation on the protection of state secrets and the requirements of regulatory legal acts of federal executive bodies to ensure the protection of information from foreign technical intelligence and its leakage through technical channels.
  • Mavrikiy 26 May 2020 06: 26 New
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    promising long-range stealth bomber.
    Stealth technologies spat out and proved not necessary for the bombers (and believed), but the good news is "here too." Where is the logic, brother? fool
    1. svp67 26 May 2020 06: 30 New
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Stealth technologies spat out and proved not necessary for the bombers (and believed), but the good news is "here too." Where is the logic, brother?

      For which bombers? They are different. There are tactical or attack planes of the battlefield, there are strategic ... And who "spat" then? Military or "propagandists"? If the former had done this, then in recent times so much would have been done to protect against them.
      1. Mavrikiy 26 May 2020 06: 32 New
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        Quote: svp67
        For which bombers?

        Tu 160, you know? repeat Some such.
        1. svp67 26 May 2020 06: 39 New
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          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Tu 160, you know?

          I know ... but it was created at a time when there was little talk about "invisibility" and we wanted to solve this issue not by giving the aircraft certain forms, but using other solutions.
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          KCA 26 May 2020 07: 41 New
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          TU-160 - a carrier of strategic cruise missiles, from whom should he hide in the middle of the ocean at a distance of 3000 km, and new missiles write 5000 km from the target? Well, suppose a fantastic situation: somewhere in this area there was an AUG and has the ability to bring down a strategist, what's the point? The missiles, now they are just with the stealth technology, have already gone on target. And PAK YES is probably done not only as a strategist, but also as a long-range bomber for adjustable ammunition, the concept is changing, the X-55 with the heavy fuel cell was adopted in 1983, and the X-555 with the conventional warhead after more than 20 years earlier there was no need for her
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan 26 May 2020 08: 43 New
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        For which bombers? They are different. There are tactical or attack planes of the battlefield, there are strategic ...


        PAK DA on previously announced boards should replace all three types of T-22, Tu-95 and Tu-160 bombers, somewhere in full, somewhere in part.

        Although for all that, the PAK DA seems to be subsonic, so it will probably replace only the Tu-95 and Tu-22, part of the functions of the Tu-22 will go to fighters like the MiG-31 and Su-57, and the Tu-160 will serve for a long time , speed is also an important parameter.
        1. ancient 26 May 2020 12: 07 New
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          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          PAK DA on previously announced boards should replace all three types of T-22, Tu-95 and Tu-160 bombers, somewhere in full, somewhere in part.

          From the “extreme” statements of Krivoruchko:
          “In 2019, the Ministry of Defense approved the final sketch of the prospective long-range aviation complex (PAK YES). The characteristics of the aircraft were agreed, all contract documents necessary for the production of samples were signed, preparatory design stages were underway. The start of its flight tests is included in GPV-2027.
          In the future, PAK DA is to replace Tu-95 long-range aircraft in service with the Russian aerospace forces"
        2. ancient 26 May 2020 12: 08 New
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          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          part of the functions of the Tu-22 will go to fighters like MiG-31 and Su-57

          And from this moment is it possible ... in more detail belay :
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan 26 May 2020 12: 17 New
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            And from now on, is it possible ... in more detail belay:


            It is possible - regarding the use of anti-ship missiles.
            1. Sky strike fighter 26 May 2020 12: 57 New
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              Taking into account the tests of the compact GZUR, which can be carried not only by the Tu-22M3M, but also by the Su-34, Su-57 on external suspensions. Again, there is the Mig-31K with a dagger.
              1. ancient 26 May 2020 13: 36 New
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                Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                Taking into account the tests of compact GZUR,

                And what can you tell about ... "tests of compact GZUR"? belay
                Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                which can be carried

                They can .. "bear" and can ... apply ... as they say in Odessa - "two big differences" wink
                For starters, you’ll put into service at least “sometime” and transfer it to “system2 ... and therefore you will already ..." something ... be able to " wink
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                  Quote: ancient
                  Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                  Taking into account the tests of compact GZUR,

                  And what can you tell about ... "tests of compact GZUR"? belay
                  Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                  which can be carried

                  They can .. "bear" and can ... apply ... as they say in Odessa - "two big differences" wink
                  For starters, you’ll put into service at least “sometime” and transfer it to “system2 ... and therefore you will already ..." something ... be able to " wink

                  Tests are already underway. Launch from the Tu-22M3 was carried out recently.
                  a test launch of a rocket known as the GZUR project - “Hypersonic guided missile” took place. For the first time in open sources, information about the work on this project appeared in 2017. The rocket is being developed by the Rainbow Design Bureau (city of Dubna). The created rocket will be able to reach speeds of up to 6M (six speeds of sound) and have a maximum flight range of up to 1500 kilometers (when launched along the highest altitude path). In this case, the main purpose of the rocket will be the fight against surface ships of the enemy


                  Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2955599.html
                  Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM.


                  Quote: ancient
                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                  X-47M2

                  Already become .. "anti-ship"? belay


                  Still not aware that modern anti-ship missiles work both on ships and on land?
                  The situation is similar with the use of anti-ship missiles “Dagger”. The rocket has a mass of about 4 tons and very significant dimensions. And the claimed version of the suspension of four missiles at once on the Tu-22M3M bomber is actually reloading, in which striking is possible only at a small distance from the base.

                  The prospective anti-ship missile system, created as part of the GZUR project, should provide the necessary tactical flexibility for its carrier aircraft while not only preserving, but also increasing combat characteristics. In addition, the rocket will be truly hypersonic. According to reports, the GZUR rocket will be equipped with a hypersonic ramjet engine (SCRE) and develop hypersonic speed for almost the entire duration of the flight.

                  Due to its relatively low weight - about 1,5 tons, the Tu-22M3 bomber will be able to take several promising anti-ship missiles at the same time and at the same time maintain high flight characteristics. In addition, not only Tu-22M3 bombers, but also other aircraft of Russian Long-Range Aviation, in particular the upgraded Tu-95MS and Tu-160 bombers, can be carriers of the rocket.



                  Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2955599.html
                  Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM.
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                    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                    Tests are already underway. Launch from the Tu-22M3 was carried out recently.

                    So it seems to be like ..Tu-22M3M, but you already “tied” this GZUR to the Su-34 and Su-57, and even to the external load and already .. “sunk” the entire “adversary fleet” wassat
                    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                    Still not aware that modern anti-ship missiles work both on ships and on land?

                    So this is about RCC, but what does the X-47M2
                    And what have the excerpts from the fact that the Tu-22M3M GZUR is better than the X-47M2? belay
                    Or already bring everything together ... "Schaub Bulo"? wassat
            2. ancient 26 May 2020 13: 33 New
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              regarding the use of anti-ship missiles.

              Well, as I understand it, the armament in the IA and FBA does not yet have anti-ship missiles with a launch range as with the Tu-22M3 ... or is it already .... and I just don’t know? wink
              1. Ratmir_Ryazan 26 May 2020 14: 01 New
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                X-47M2 "Dagger"
                1. ancient 26 May 2020 14: 06 New
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                  X-47M2

                  Already become .. "anti-ship"? belay
                  1. Ratmir_Ryazan 26 May 2020 14: 29 New
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                    Already become .. "anti-ship"? belay


                    She was like that -

                    This is a class of high-precision weapons, which has a multifunctional warhead that allows you to work both on stationary and moving targets. In particular, aircraft carriers and ships of the class cruiser, destroyer, frigate are potential targets for this weapon.

                    http://archive.redstar.ru/index.php/component/k2/item/36438-v-obojme-sarmat-kinzhal-avangard?attempt=1
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                      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                      http://archive.redstar.ru/index.php/component/k2/item/36438-v-obojme-sarmat-kinzhal-avangard?attempt=1

                      Well ... Mr. Borisov and ... not such a thing ... "can say" wassat
                      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                      potential targets for this weapon.

                      What is the "mysterious" way, Mr. Borisov .. will carry out TS and guidance on a moving target wink ?
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                      has a multifunctional warhead that allows you to work as a stationary

                      And since when ... "multifunctional warhead" ... ALLOWED ..."work" on stats or moving goals belay
                      It’s only in the version of the SBN ... yes there ..... "pulled into the area" and ... maybe something drowned ... 9 it all depends on the power of the SBN wassat
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                        Probably the rocket has a seeker.
                      2. ancient 26 May 2020 19: 49 New
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                        Probably the rocket has a seeker.

                        Probably ... but you want (together with Borisov) something from the region .... (advertisement for Hohland cheese) wassat - and hypersound and maneuvering and still active guidance .. and all this .. "in the plasma cloud"? wassat
                        And Mr. Borisov will give TsU directly from ... his office wassat
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                        Probably ... but you want to


                        I didn’t do this missile, therefore I cannot precisely answer all your questions about it and I judge it according to the information that comes in, they write that it can hit both stationary and moving sea targets.

                        What is the problem?

                        Hypersound starts from 5 misses; on 4 missile strokes, air-to-air missiles have long been flying with active seekers. The “dagger” does not fly at the same speed along the entire trajectory, gradually dies away, and such a rocket doesn’t have to get into a plane that performs various missile defense maneuvers, but rather into a huge metal object hundreds of meters long and several tens of meters wide and moving at maximum speeds of 60 km / h.

                        The rocket’s maneuvering is also quite primitive and has been implemented for a long time on anti-ship missiles, the task of such maneuvering is not to fly like in star wars, but simply to bring down the ballistic trajectory so that the missile is not calculated along it and hit.

                        Recently, a couple of our planes in the Arctic flew over the camp of the American military, I think if the aircraft could detect and direct such a target, then missiles at the USG or other countries will also bring what we have in space and in the form of different radars only the initiates know.
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                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                  http://archive.redstar.ru/index.php/component/k2/item/36438-v-obojme-sarmat-kinzhal-avangard?attempt=1

                  Well, after reading Mr. Borisov’s statement about .. "..... The second peculiarity of the system is that with the help of aerodynamic rudders it can carry out maneuvers during its flight and bypass all dangerous zones. This refers to the air defense or missile defense zones. " belay
                  Made 15 minutes like that .... to lie .. "patstalom" lol
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    1. Ratmir_Ryazan 26 May 2020 11: 33 New
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      Where does this nonsense come from? Stele technology is the future. More precisely, the present is for the advanced powers, and for us, those lagging behind, the future.


      You are carrying nonsense.

      Stealth (low visibility) is not the future, but simply a technology for reducing visibility and there is nothing super-technological in it. It is achieved by the fact that the design of the airplane glider eliminates right angles, radiolucent materials are used more. Russia uses all this in aviation - the Su-57 and the fleet pr.20380, pr.22350 and others.

      And the stealth effectiveness of stealth (low visibility) was called into question by the Yugoslav air defense system S-125, which they began to develop in 1956))).

      Now try to imagine the capabilities of modern radars and air defense systems of Russia against the "stealth".
  • Ratmir_Ryazan 26 May 2020 08: 38 New
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    Stealth technologies spat out and proved not necessary


    No need to juggle, no one in Russia considers stealth technologists to be unnecessary, it is used in aviation and in the navy, but at the same time it is not considered a key parameter for a military unit.
    1. bk0010 26 May 2020 13: 46 New
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      Actually, in the USSR they scored stelts precisely because they considered it unnecessary: ​​on our main theater (in Europe) there was such a density of electronic equipment that, as if they would not reduce visibility from the front hemisphere, the plane would still be detected.
  • codetalker 26 May 2020 06: 28 New
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    Straight wedge light converged on these generations ...
  • rocket757 26 May 2020 06: 34 New
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    High-profile names, including data on generations of military aircraft, are often used in the media.

    The media also wants to eat, eat well ... both their owners and everyone else.
    1. Mavrikiy 26 May 2020 06: 39 New
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      The media also wants to eat, eat well ... both their owners and everyone else.

      Well need to feed developers, creators, and vultures will find someone to peck their eyes.
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        Well need to feed developers, creators, and vultures will find someone to peck their eyes.

        there the necessary chain is much longer, To the state of "developers" it is necessary to grow, educate, train ... and the vultures themselves really, themselves, are grown!
  • Alien From 26 May 2020 06: 43 New
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    Listen .... yes, at such a pace we would build a fleet ....) We wish them success.
  • Reserve buildbat 26 May 2020 06: 49 New
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    And what do you want from a "number of media"? The main thing for them is to crow. They don’t know anything about generations. By the way, how do generations divide up among bombers? By fighter standards? laughing
    So the 5-6th generation of a bomber ... Something is doubtful smile
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan 26 May 2020 08: 34 New
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      So 5-6 generation bomber ... Something is doubtful smile


      What is doubtful to you ?!

      5th - generation is + stealth technology, and 6th - this is the possibility of unmanned flight, such a function, according to the developers, will be on the Su-57 and there is nothing impossible to do this on a bomber.

      Probably it will not be a pure UAV, but a bomber using stealth technology with an unmanned flight function.

      Everything is reasonable and real.
      1. Reserve buildbat 26 May 2020 11: 14 New
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        Then list me the examples of bombers of the previous 4 generations. laughing
        Let me remind you that nonsense with generations begins the countdown from jet aircraft.
        Generations are nothing more than marketing.
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan 26 May 2020 11: 43 New
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          Generations are not marketing, but conditional division.

          The 6th generation includes fighters and bombers which, among other things (radar with AFAR, low visibility) can still work in unmanned mode.

          Europe won out on the 6th generation fighter, bypassing the 5th. So why not Russia make the bomber not so much using new materials and the shape of the airframe, reducing its radar visibility, but also with the regime of unmanned use.

          Not the fact that in Europe the fighter will only be unmanned, and not just like in Russia the Su-57 with a pilot, but also the ability to remotely control this aircraft.

          Given that such a regime is done for the Su-57, then I do not see anything supernatural in the new Russian bomber that can be attributed to the 6th generation. Moreover, on a bomber it’s just much easier because of the flight mode.

          The same F-35 subsonic fighter, it has neither speed nor super maneuverability, but it is still considered a 5th generation fighter, although in fact it’s just a tactical bomber with low visibility technology, but if you find fault, it can be excluded from 5 -th generation and attributed to 4 +++.
          1. Reserve buildbat 26 May 2020 15: 36 New
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            I never saw examples of bombers laughing
            And do not talk about fu-35. The fact that it is called the 5th generation fighter just confirms that the generation is marketing.
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    GMM 26 May 2020 06: 53 New
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    Strange, somehow they immediately started assembling something there.
    At first, they had to make the dates public, then transfer them several times, and then immediately to the slipway - I do not believe it !!!
    1. strelokmira 26 May 2020 07: 28 New
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      But what about the cheers in the media yell?))
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan 26 May 2020 08: 34 New
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      At first, they had to make the dates public, then transfer them several times, and then immediately to the slipway - I do not believe it !!!


      Work on PAK DA has been going on for several years.
  • Ros 56 26 May 2020 07: 30 New
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    Here the striped turnips are scratched, almost like in what, where, when. request
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      They have a new counterpart doing B 21
  • Ratmir_Ryazan 26 May 2020 08: 30 New
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    I can assume that the "drone" will be as a function for, as planned for the same Su-57, but at the same time there remains the possibility of a manned flight.

    And everything else is nothing unusual, a glider without right angles, composites, new and advanced avionics, missiles.

    Everything here is within our power. Hurry to see live in flight, so that Russophobes bite their tongues.
  • Jurkovs 26 May 2020 08: 40 New
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    Most likely just prototyping.
  • shoroh 26 May 2020 09: 39 New
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    For the bomber, there are three main most important parameters - range, speed and bomb load. Speed ​​is not so much about air defense breakthroughs, but about the speed of reaching the desired region, and, accordingly, the speed of response to the situation. High-speed bombers are also needed, especially with a large bomb load. Therefore, they left the t-160 in service. And stealth technologies are more important for strategic low-speed vehicles, the task of which is to fly as far as possible and be invisible for as long as possible. Although, given the growing tracking technologies, it seems to me doubtful the ability to hide the take-off and flight to the goal of the strategic bomber.
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      5-9 26 May 2020 10: 27 New
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      Well, yes, ZGRLS what is stealth, what is not stealth for thousands of kilometers they find .... that's just how to shoot down the Tu-95, Tu-160, that PAK YES - what and how? ..... missile range it is necessary to increase so that when starting from the joint venture from the Gulf of Mexico they came in :)))
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        Alaska + Aegis High Speed ​​Interceptors?
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          5-9 27 May 2020 08: 46 New
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          What kind of high-speed interceptors over the North Pole? Secret 8th Generation or Imperial Star Wars Fighters? Aegis on submarines that can crack 5-meter ice?
  • yfast 26 May 2020 10: 50 New
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    It is better to consider the seventh generation, so that while building, no one overtook generations. Do we have a stealth technology school, that’s the question.
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan 26 May 2020 11: 48 New
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      Do we have a stealth technology school, that’s the question.


      Stealth is not a school, but a technology for reducing visibility, it has been known for a long time, it’s just that they did not use this technology before, because speed, range and maneuverability were in the first place.

      The stealth F-117 in Yugoslavia shot down an air defense system which they began to develop in 1956, and the usual Yugoslav air defense aircraft were shot down as many as the stealth - one F-16.

      If Yugoslavia had air defense more serious and modern, no one would dare to bomb them, and if they took a chance, they would lose a bunch of their planes and pilots.
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      Do we have a stealth technology school, that’s the question.

      Is it technology, this stealth? Coat the epoxy with stealth.
  • shinobi 26 May 2020 12: 16 New
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    The bomber is a subsonic for stealth technologies. One can guess right up to the mark. The configuration can be anything, depending on the principle of stealth laid in the design. Our development was mainly radio-absorbing technology. These are materials and paints, for them the general design is not so fundamental. They relied on redirection-suppression of the reflected signal, it turned out to be the freak F-117. They spat when the focus failed. We went by the principle of dispersion-absorption, it turned out F-22. On the subsonic, the exhaust heat is hidden due to mixing with a large amount of external air at the outlet from dvigun, there the configuration of the nozzle is not so relevant.
  • cniza 26 May 2020 13: 17 New
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    If we talk about generations of combat aircraft, then earlier the classification boiled down to the fact that stealth technology and manned aircraft are fifth-generation aviation.


    Who started these competitions in generations? why not compete in performance characteristics?