The start of assembly of the first prototype PAK YES is reported.

High-profile names, including data on generations of military aircraft, are often used in the media. Sources allow themselves to talk about the beginning of work on one generation of military equipment, taking into account the fact that there is no “previous” weapon yet.

Today, the network discusses information from the news agency TASS, where, with reference to an unnamed source, the following is stated: the assembly of a prototype of a promising long-range stealth bomber has begun. In a number of other media, including "Tape.ru", immediately stated that we are talking about a "sixth generation" strategic bomber.

According to the interlocutors of TASS, who are called representatives of the military-industrial complex, the final assembly of the first prototype should be completed in 2021. It is added that the manufacture of elements of the PAK DA airframe will be carried out on one of the aviation factories, but there is no data yet on which one. It is noted that this is a plant from a group that is part of the UAC (United Aircraft Corporation).

The material indicates that the development of design documentation has already been completed and that the assembly of the cockpit of a promising long-range bomber has already begun.

It is noteworthy that in "Tupolev" reports on the start of construction of the PAK DA have not yet been commented.

If we talk about generations of combat aircraft, then earlier the classification was reduced to the fact that stealth technologies and manned aircraft are fifth generation aviation. For the sixth generation, the classification uses (among other things) such a parameter as "unmanned". So far, the decision to embody just such a concept when creating a promising long-range stealth bomber has not been reported. And if we consider that we are talking about the beginning of the assembly of the cockpit, then at least the original version is considered as manned.

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[aszzz888]

Very controversial article. The named fact is immediately refuted. Another fortune-telling on a camomile?

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: aszzz888

Very controversial article. The named fact is immediately refuted. Another fortune-telling on a camomile?

absolutely true.

For the sixth generation, the classification uses (among other things) such a parameter as “unmanned”. So far, no decision has been made to decide to implement just such a concept when creating a promising long-range stealth bomber.

[mitroha]

Firstly, the presence of a cabin does not cancel the drone.
Secondly, in the news where everything is fortunetelling, it is not known what the journalists interpreted as a booth. We can also talk about the flight control unit, for example, including.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Mitroha

Firstly, the presence of a cabin does not cancel the drone.

But it already allows you to think that at least the appearance is defined, didn’t come across pictures by accident?

[mitroha]

So these pictures are a wagon and a small cart. Only now there are as many options. And which one is real, if at all among them, is a question.

[venik]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

did not come across pictures by accident?

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Accidentally came across:

True, HOW many of these images will match reality - alas - I will not say!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: venik

True, HOW many of these images will be true

Well, with such "correspondences to reality" - "and not for nothing, and for money, too, not nat!" )))

[venik]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Well, with such "correspondences to reality" - "and not for nothing, and for money, too, not nat!" )))

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Well, at least these images correspond to the model and appear to be the most REAL!
For the rest of the type:

There is nothing more than the "unbridled flight of imagination" of the artists, which clearly has nothing to do with the subsonic, stealthy long-range bomber.
Of all that is at the moment, this is a model that underwent blowing in a wind tunnel:

But this is hardly a PAK-DA (rather, a supersonic aircraft with variable wing geometry). So, most likely PAK-DA will look exactly as shown in the previous comment. Perhaps the shape of the cockpit will change slightly and somewhat, and the "ears" at the wingtips will disappear (although the latter is unlikely!).
There is a photo of the layout of the cabin and the demonstration simulator (2015), where the cabin is slightly different from the images shown:

[Aqr009]

True, HOW many of these images will be true ...

I once listened to an interview with an aircraft designer, there was an episode with a question about a promising bomber.
So, he said that, outwardly, the new bomber will look like an enlarged Su-34, that no, even approximate, similarities with the American B-2 are not expected, because different schools and directions of development.
In fact, this will be the further development of the ideas embodied in the Tu-160, namely, the rejection of variable wing geometry and the significant use of new materials, which will overcome the limitations in the fuselage geometry.
That is, if roughly summed up, it will be an evolutionary development, like the transition from Su-24 to Su-34.

[iouris]

PACK YES invisible.

[Vadim237]

With this image, PAK DA will definitely have nothing in common except a glider like a flying wing.

[Runoway]

In my opinion the most accurate image

[Vladimir_2U]

Shaw, and here the nozzles are round ?!

[Runoway]

Well, if the hunter has not "yet" implemented
In general, in the case of a strategist or a drone, over-maneuverability is not required, I do not think it is difficult to do something like the F-22
As for the terms, while the fight against corruption does not get closer to the level of the PRC, we will not see new planes or space

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Runoway

over-maneuverability is not required

There are just no claims to round nozzles on the super-maneuverability, claims to them out of visibility, what are you!

[Runoway]

You didn’t understand this, I meant that for the Su-57 you need to rack your brains as nozzles with a variable thrust vector are implemented in an inconspicuous design, but with a drone and a strategist it’s easier

[Vladimir_2U]

TO ROUND nozzles LITTLE CLAIMS! If super-maneuverability is not needed, but it is not needed, then round nozzles are not particularly needed, is it not so? But for some reason in the picture they are round, and not covered at all.

[Runoway]

We are discussing in what place we will plant tomatoes on Mars! I repeat on the hunter at the moment they could not realize, but you want on the strategist in the project
Let's hope that there is a possibility of "re-styling"

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Runoway

Let's hope that there is an opportunity

Startle We will be. )))

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

In the PRC, the one-party system and officials find more gold bars than gold reserves of some countries.

I hope Russia will never catch up with China in terms of corruption.

And ostentatious executions are just a way to eliminate competitors and shows for simpletons.

[DNkroz]

Of course, I can’t see it clearly from my sofa, but, as I heard, the tail unit was abandoned due to low visibility requirements. At the same time, huge winglets are visible. What is the point then?

[Ka-52]

Firstly, the presence of a cabin does not cancel the drone.

formally no. But the concept of UAVs implies an increase in the functional characteristics of the UAV due to the elimination of systems responsible for guided piloting (including pilot life support systems). This allows to reduce the payload, improve aerodynamics, and increase flight range by reducing its own weight and internal volume.
By the way, in the photo place KK Tu-22

[5-9]

But the stratobomber’s cabin for 2 pilots doesn’t really eat the volume ...

[Ka-52]

But the stratobomber’s cabin for 2 pilots doesn’t really eat the volume ...

and where did you write off the navigators?

[5-9]

In the 6th or even 5th generation? There are also flight engineers, gunners-radio operators and other nurses and stewards :)

[Ka-52]

and other nurses

Well, the nurses are worth leaving. Do not encroach on the holy!

[Iline]

That's all right. You can remember the same "Buran". It was implemented as a manned vehicle, but during tests it flew and landed as a drone.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Not an article, but a retelling of news gossip.

[Pete mitchell]

also read and at a loss - why this is called journalism? Such should work for a sandwich with stale sprats, about source generally silent

[ancient]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

also read and at a loss - why is this called journalism?

Absolutely agree with you
From what you read in this "opus" (you can't call it otherwise), you can make an assumption that:
When performing OCD (MF OCD), the following steps have already been taken:
- development of a preliminary design;
- development of a technical project;
- development of working design documentation for the manufacture of a prototype of the VT product;
and have already begun to manufacture a prototype of the VT product (prototype of the midrange of the VT product) for the preliminary testing phase .....
In principle (in theory), this "event" takes place, with the obligatory fulfillment of all 3 of the above stages.
and the presence of research and development work on the creation of components of intersectoral use, developed for use in military equipment, carried out in accordance with GOST B 15.205 and other regulatory documents establishing the procedure for their creation, agreed with the customer VT., which seems to me still unlikely.
So, it seems to me that at the present time, measures are being taken to carry out a complex of experimental work (prototyping and modeling) of the product or midrange product.

[Pete mitchell]

external excursion on the creation of any high-tech device. It is hoped that journalist will read and in the future will at least remember your comment. Then maybe he will start offering sandwiches with fresh sprats ...

[ancient]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Then maybe he will start offering sandwiches with fresh sprats ...

But for this he will still need to learn ... the "lifting force formula" and some ... "official ... in the past" .... then they will definitely be allowed to ... "finish the beer"

[Pete mitchell]

The problem of modernity is the lack of responsible specialists; there were undoubted advantages in the Soviet education system.
A food brethren is generally a muddy subject and to catch among them .. difficult. A quarter of a century ago, my comrades crashed, a passage over the strip for a demonstration: the journalists wrote this ... My mother-in-law, who had considerable administrative resources and an unbending ridge, could not stand it and called the editor-in-chief: what are you doing, people have died ... literally: and we are not responsible for what is written... What can I say, such people don’t remember the formula, they won’t get the job, their whole life for the sake of likes

[Stas157]

. it's about the sixth generation strategic bomber

Do not we wave to William, you see, our Shakespeare ...

Why not the seventh?
It’s bolder if you jump over generations!
To act, as our great helmsman exhorted, to be proactive)))

P.S. If the sixth generation is drone plus invisibility, then the United States has long had a sixth generation aircraft. And they were stupid, they didn’t even know!

[Insurgent]

High-profile names, including data on generations of military aircraft, are often used in the media. Sources allow themselves to talk about the beginning of work on one generation of military equipment, taking into account the fact that there is no “previous” weapon yet.

Of course, talk about the "sixth generation", this is what is called "ahead of the locomotive" ...

But in the very working title "PAK YES", there is nothing loud. OnlyI emphasize - project title...

[kjhg]

Quote: Stas157

It’s bolder if you jump over generations!
To act, as our great helmsman exhorted, to be proactive)))

Stas, ... Without going into a dispute about generations and about the technical details of the aircraft, it is more important to draw our attention to the timing of the creation, adoption and procurement of a new long-range aircraft. For example, you can take the PAK FA. Development began in 2002. In 2008, the assembly of the first prototypes began, and in 2010 the first flight of this fighter took place. Today is 2020. The Su-57 has not yet entered service. This year the first aircraft is to enter the army. Suppose that if everything goes well, then the first regiment (more or less significant number) will be formed in 2025. And this is also with engines that do not meet the initial performance characteristics set by the MO. From 2025, of course, they promise to start serial production of the "native" engine. Okay, let's say they start. In total, 17 years have passed since the start of assembly and the formation of the first regiment. If PAK DA meets the same deadlines, which can be questioned with confidence, given the complexity and high cost of PAK DA in front of PAK FA, then the first PAK DA squadron will be formed in 2037. Only from this moment it will be possible to start considering it as a new, real force of long-range aviation.

[Sky strike fighter]

They promise to roll out the first assembled experienced PAK DA in 2022. From 2022 to 2026 flight tests. From 2026 serial production. With PAK DA, things will go easier than with PAK FA, since this is essentially a subsonic stealth platform for the Kyrgyz Republic.

[ancient]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

From 2022 to 2026 flight tests. From 2026, serial production

How are you doing .... "just "... like from plasticine ... took and ..." molded ".

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

It’s easier with PAK YES than with PAK FA,

Well, this ... in general ... "stunning ... conclusion"

[Sky strike fighter]

I didn’t take it all from the ceiling.

Today, according to the PAK DA program, the development of working design documentation has been completed, materials are being supplied to the plant. Another source added that Russian experts began to manufacture the cockpit, and its final assembly will be completed in 2021.
Recall that in December 2019, the Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Alexei Krivoruchko reported that Russian enterprises began construction of individual parts and parts of PAK DA.

https://regnum.ru/news/2961552.html

[ancient]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

https://regnum.ru/news/2961552.html

I have already brought you video quotes of Professor Preobrazhensky many times ... but ...... apparently you ... "will not break through"

[ancient]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

From 2022 to 2026 flight tests.

Those. for all LCI and GSLI you "give only" 4 years? Taking into account the fact that the engine is only "only planned" to be "transported" to the IL-76LL by the end of 2021 ....

[Sky strike fighter]

I hurried with the deadlines for a year. I apologize.

In January, it became known that the Russian stealth bomber PAK DA will be released in series in 2027. Its preliminary tests will be held in April 2023, and state tests in February 2026.

https://iz.ru/1015604/2020-05-26/rossiia-nachala-postroiku-pervogo-strategicheskogo-stels-bombardirovshchika

[ancient]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

In January, it became known that the Russian stealth bomber PAK DA will be released in series in 2027. Its preliminary tests will be held in April 2023, and state tests in February 2026.

Again you have some kind of .. "not healthy" optimism is present
Already all the tests you have scheduled for months are only 1 year on the GSLI ... and it’s already a series, but before the series where will they be ... or immediately from the slipway and to the troops?

[Thrifty]

In Soviet times, for such news they would give a firing squad to the talkers! And then Democracy, blurt out all the secrets and secrets to the right and left!

[ancient]

Quote: Thrifty

In Soviet times, for such news would give

I agree - In order to ensure compliance with the requirements of TTZ (TK) for the protection of state secrets about the VT product being created at all stages of the development work (SC R&D) after receiving the TTZ (TK) before the start of the implementation of specific measures included in the design work (SC RCH), the head contractor of the work (performer of SC R&D) analyzes the possible channels of leakage of information about the VT and OCD product (SC R&D) and develops organizational and technical measures to close them for each of the R&D stages (SC R&D).
But since there is such an "insider" ... does it mean someone needs it?

[knn54]

-In a number of other media outlets, including Lenta.ru, they immediately stated that it was a “sixth generation” strategic bomber.
-And considering that we are talking about the beginning of the assembly of the cabin, then at least the initial version is considered as a manned one.
While "Tupolev" is silent, I would venture to suggest that "5+".

[venik]

Quote: knn54

While "Tupolev" is silent, I would venture to suggest that "5+".

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WHAT is "generation 5+"- can you tell me?

[ancient]

Quote: knn54

While "Tupolev" is silent, I would venture to suggest that "5+".

While "KB" is silent, I will assume that this is ... a promising complex with new equipment and weapons ... and for now

[alexmach]

Contradictory information - inconsistent and article.

[ancient]

Quote: aszzz888

Another fortune-telling on a camomile?

On coffee grounds, as:
When carrying out work on the conclusion of contracts for the performance of CSR (SC RCH), as well as in the course of the execution of CSR (SC RCH), their participants are required to comply with the requirements of the legislation of the Russian Federation on the protection of state secrets and the requirements of regulatory legal acts of federal executive bodies to ensure the protection of information from foreign technical intelligence and its leakage through technical channels.

[Mavrikiy]

promising long-range stealth bomber.

Stealth technologies were spat and proved unnecessary for bombers (and believed), but the good news "we have." Where is the logic, brother?

[svp67]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Stealth technologies were spat and proved unnecessary for bombers (and believed), but the good news "we have." Where is the logic, brother?

For which bombers? They are different. There are tactical or strike aircraft of the battlefield, there are strategic ... And who "spat" that? Military or "propagandists"? If it were the first to do this, then in recent years so much would not have been done to protect against them.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: svp67

For which bombers?

Tu 160, you know? Some such.

[svp67]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Tu 160, you know?

I know ... but it was created at a time when little was said about "stealth" and we wanted to solve this issue not by giving the plane certain shapes, but using other solutions.

[KCA]

The Tu-160 is a carrier of strategic cruise missiles, from whom can he hide in the middle of the ocean at a distance of 3000 km, and the new missiles write 5000 km from the target? Well, suppose a fantastic situation: somewhere in this area there is an AUG and has the ability to bring down a strategist, what's the point? The rockets, here they are with stealth technology, have already gone on target. And the PAK YES is probably being made not only as a strategist, but also as a long-range bomber for guided ammunition, the concept is changing, the X-55 with TNBC was put into service in 1983, and the Kh-555 with a conventional warhead after more than 20 years, earlier there was no need for her

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

For which bombers? They are different. There are tactical or attack planes of the battlefield, there are strategic ...

PAK DA on previously announced boards should replace all three types of T-22, Tu-95 and Tu-160 bombers, somewhere in full, somewhere in part.

Although for all that, the PAK DA seems to be subsonic, so it will probably replace only the Tu-95 and Tu-22, part of the functions of the Tu-22 will go to fighters like the MiG-31 and Su-57, and the Tu-160 will serve for a long time , speed is also an important parameter.

[ancient]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

PAK DA on previously announced boards should replace all three types of T-22, Tu-95 and Tu-160 bombers, somewhere in full, somewhere in part.

From the "extreme" statements of Krivoruchko:
"In 2019, the Ministry of Defense approved the final sketch of a promising long-range aviation complex (PAK DA). The aircraft characteristics have been agreed, all contract documents necessary for the production of samples have been signed, preparatory design stages are underway. The start of its flight tests is included in GPV-2027.
In the future, PAK DA is to replace Tu-95 long-range aircraft in service with the Russian aerospace forces"

[ancient]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

part of the functions of the Tu-22 will go to fighters like MiG-31 and Su-57

And from this moment is it possible ... in more detail :

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

And from now on, is it possible ... in more detail belay:

It is possible - regarding the use of anti-ship missiles.

[Sky strike fighter]

Taking into account the tests of the compact GZUR, which can be carried not only by the Tu-22M3M, but also by the Su-34, Su-57 on external suspensions. Again, there is the Mig-31K with a dagger.

[ancient]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Taking into account the tests of compact GZUR,

What can you tell us about ... "tests of a compact GZUR"?

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

which can be carried

They can .. "carry" and can ... apply ... as they say in Odessa - "two big differences"
For a start, at least "a little something" will put into service and transfer to "system2 ... and therefore you will already be ..." something ... able to "

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: ancient

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Taking into account the tests of compact GZUR,

What can you tell us about ... "tests of a compact GZUR"?

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

which can be carried

They can .. "carry" and can ... apply ... as they say in Odessa - "two big differences"
For a start, at least "a little something" will put into service and transfer to "system2 ... and therefore you will already be ..." something ... able to "

Tests are already underway. Launch from the Tu-22M3 was carried out recently.

a test launch of a rocket known as the GZUR project - “Hypersonic guided missile” took place. For the first time in open sources, information about the work on this project appeared in 2017. The rocket is being developed by the Rainbow Design Bureau (city of Dubna). The created rocket will be able to reach speeds of up to 6M (six speeds of sound) and have a maximum flight range of up to 1500 kilometers (when launched along the highest altitude path). In this case, the main purpose of the rocket will be the fight against surface ships of the enemy


Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2955599.html
Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM.

Quote: ancient

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

X-47M2

Has already become .. "anti-ship"?

Still not aware that modern anti-ship missiles work both on ships and on land?

The situation is similar with the use of anti-ship missiles “Dagger”. The rocket has a mass of about 4 tons and very significant dimensions. And the claimed version of the suspension of four missiles at once on the Tu-22M3M bomber is actually reloading, in which striking is possible only at a small distance from the base.

The prospective anti-ship missile system, created as part of the GZUR project, should provide the necessary tactical flexibility for its carrier aircraft while not only preserving, but also increasing combat characteristics. In addition, the rocket will be truly hypersonic. According to reports, the GZUR rocket will be equipped with a hypersonic ramjet engine (SCRE) and develop hypersonic speed for almost the entire duration of the flight.

Due to its relatively low weight - about 1,5 tons, the Tu-22M3 bomber will be able to take several promising anti-ship missiles at the same time and at the same time maintain high flight characteristics. In addition, not only Tu-22M3 bombers, but also other aircraft of Russian Long-Range Aviation, in particular the upgraded Tu-95MS and Tu-160 bombers, can be carriers of the rocket.



Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2955599.html
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[ancient]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Tests are already underway. Launch from the Tu-22M3 was carried out recently.

So it seems to be like on .. Tu-22M3M, but you have already "tied" this GZUR to the Su-34 and Su-57, and even on the external suspension and already .. "sunk" the entire "foe fleet"

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Still not aware that modern anti-ship missiles work both on ships and on land?

So this is about RCC, but what does the X-47M2
And what have the excerpts from the fact that the Tu-22M3M GZUR is better than the X-47M2?
Or are you already lumping everything together ... "shob bulo"?

[ancient]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

regarding the use of anti-ship missiles.

Well, as I understand it, the armament in the IA and FBA does not yet have anti-ship missiles with a launch range as with the Tu-22M3 ... or is it already .... and I just don’t know?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

X-47M2 "Dagger"

[ancient]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

X-47M2

Has already become .. "anti-ship"?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Has already become .. "anti-ship"? belay

She was like that -

This is a class of high-precision weapons, which has a multifunctional warhead that allows you to work both on stationary and moving targets. In particular, aircraft carriers and ships of the class cruiser, destroyer, frigate are potential targets for this weapon.

http://archive.redstar.ru/index.php/component/k2/item/36438-v-obojme-sarmat-kinzhal-avangard?attempt=1

[ancient]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

http://archive.redstar.ru/index.php/component/k2/item/36438-v-obojme-sarmat-kinzhal-avangard?attempt=1

Well .. Mr. Borisov and .. not that .. "can tell a story"

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

potential targets for this weapon.

What is the "mysterious" way that Mr. Borisov .. will carry out control and guidance to a moving target ?

[ancient]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

has a multifunctional warhead that allows you to work as a stationary

And since when ... "multifunctional warhead" ... ALLOWED ..."work" on stats or moving goals
This is only in the SBCh version ... there yes ..... "fired into the area" and ... maybe something drowned ... 9 it all depends on the power of the SBCh

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Probably the rocket has a seeker.

[ancient]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Probably the rocket has a seeker.

Probably ... but you want (together with Borisov) something from the region .... (advertisement for Hohland cheese) - and hypersound and maneuvering and more active guidance .. and all this .. "in a cloud of plasma"?
And Mr. Borisov will give TsU directly from ... his office

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Probably ... but you want to

I didn’t do this missile, therefore I cannot precisely answer all your questions about it and I judge it according to the information that comes in, they write that it can hit both stationary and moving sea targets.

What is the problem?

Hypersound starts at 5 swings, at 4 swings air-to-air missiles have been flying with active seeker for a long time. The "dagger" does not fly at the same speed along its entire trajectory, gradually the speed goes out, and such a rocket does not need to get into an airplane that performs various anti-missile maneuvers, but into a huge metal object hundreds of meters in length and several dozen in width and moving at maximum speed of 60 km / h.

The rocket’s maneuvering is also quite primitive and has been implemented for a long time on anti-ship missiles, the task of such maneuvering is not to fly like in star wars, but simply to bring down the ballistic trajectory so that the missile is not calculated along it and hit.

Recently, a couple of our planes in the Arctic flew over the camp of the American military, I think if the aircraft could detect and direct such a target, then missiles at the USG or other countries will also bring what we have in space and in the form of different radars only the initiates know.

[ancient]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

http://archive.redstar.ru/index.php/component/k2/item/36438-v-obojme-sarmat-kinzhal-avangard?attempt=1

Well, after reading the statement of Mr. Borisov about .. "..... The second feature of the system is that with the help of aerodynamic rudders it can carry out maneuvers during its flight and bypass all dangerous zones. I mean zones of anti-aircraft or anti-missile defense. "
Made for 15 minutes like this .... lie .. "patsstalom"

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Where does this nonsense come from? Stele technology is the future. More precisely, the present is for the advanced powers, and for us, those lagging behind, the future.

You are carrying nonsense.

Stealth (low visibility) is not the future, but simply a technology for reducing visibility and there is nothing super-technological in it. It is achieved by the fact that the design of the airplane glider eliminates right angles, radiolucent materials are used more. Russia uses all this in aviation - the Su-57 and the fleet pr.20380, pr.22350 and others.

And the stealth effectiveness of stealth (low visibility) was called into question by the Yugoslav air defense system S-125, which they began to develop in 1956))).

Now try to imagine the capabilities of modern radars and air defense systems of Russia against "stealth".

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Stealth technologies spat out and proved not necessary

No need to juggle, no one in Russia considers stealth technologists to be unnecessary, it is used in aviation and in the navy, but at the same time it is not considered a key parameter for a military unit.

[bk0010]

Actually, in the USSR they scored stelts precisely because they considered it unnecessary: ​​on our main theater (in Europe) there was such a density of electronic equipment that, as if they would not reduce visibility from the front hemisphere, the plane would still be detected.

[codetalker]

Straight wedge light converged on these generations ...

[rocket757]

High-profile names, including data on generations of military aircraft, are often used in the media.

The media also wants to eat, eat well ... both their owners and everyone else.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: rocket757

The media also wants to eat, eat well ... both their owners and everyone else.

Well need to feed developers, creators, and vultures will find someone to peck their eyes.

[rocket757]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Well need to feed developers, creators, and vultures will find someone to peck their eyes.

there the chain of the necessary is much longer, To the state of "developers" you need to grow up, educate, train ... and the vultures really are themselves, themselves, are raised themselves!

[Alien From]

Listen .... yes, at such a pace we would build a fleet ....) We wish them success.

[Reserve buildbat]

What do you want from "a number of media"? The main thing for them is to crow. They don't know anything about generations. By the way, how do bombers divide generations? By destructive standards?
So the 5-6th generation of a bomber ... Something is doubtful

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

So 5-6 generation bomber ... Something is doubtful smile

What is doubtful to you ?!

5th - generation is + stealth technology, and 6th - this is the possibility of unmanned flight, such a function, according to the developers, will be on the Su-57 and there is nothing impossible to do this on a bomber.

Probably it will not be a pure UAV, but a bomber using stealth technology with an unmanned flight function.

Everything is reasonable and real.

[Reserve buildbat]

Then list me the examples of bombers of the previous 4 generations.
Let me remind you that nonsense with generations begins the countdown from jet aircraft.
Generations are nothing more than marketing.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Generations are not marketing, but conditional division.

The 6th generation includes fighters and bombers which, among other things (radar with AFAR, low visibility) can still work in unmanned mode.

Europe won out on the 6th generation fighter, bypassing the 5th. So why not Russia make the bomber not so much using new materials and the shape of the airframe, reducing its radar visibility, but also with the regime of unmanned use.

Not the fact that in Europe the fighter will only be unmanned, and not just like in Russia the Su-57 with a pilot, but also the ability to remotely control this aircraft.

Given that such a regime is done for the Su-57, then I do not see anything supernatural in the new Russian bomber that can be attributed to the 6th generation. Moreover, on a bomber it’s just much easier because of the flight mode.

The same F-35 subsonic fighter, it has neither speed nor super maneuverability, but it is still considered a 5th generation fighter, although in fact it’s just a tactical bomber with low visibility technology, but if you find fault, it can be excluded from 5 -th generation and attributed to 4 +++.

[Reserve buildbat]

I never saw examples of bombers
And do not talk about fu-35. The fact that it is called the 5th generation fighter just confirms that the generation is marketing.

[GMM]

Strange, somehow they immediately started assembling something there.
At first, they had to make the dates public, then transfer them several times, and then immediately to the slipway - I do not believe it !!!

[strelokmira]

But what about the cheers in the media yell?))

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

At first, they had to make the dates public, then transfer them several times, and then immediately to the slipway - I do not believe it !!!

Work on PAK DA has been going on for several years.

[Ros 56]

Here the striped turnips are scratched, almost like in what, where, when.

[Vadim237]

They have a new counterpart doing B 21

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I can assume that "unmannedness" will be as a function for, as is planned for the same Su-57, but at the same time the possibility of a manned flight remains.

And everything else is nothing unusual, a glider without right angles, composites, new and advanced avionics, missiles.

Everything here is within our power. Hurry to see live in flight, so that Russophobes bite their tongues.

[Jurkovs]

Most likely just prototyping.

[shoroh]

For the bomber, there are three main most important parameters - range, speed and bomb load. Speed ​​is not so much about air defense breakthroughs, but about the speed of reaching the desired region, and, accordingly, the speed of response to the situation. High-speed bombers are also needed, especially with a large bomb load. Therefore, they left the t-160 in service. And stealth technologies are more important for strategic low-speed vehicles, the task of which is to fly as far as possible and be invisible for as long as possible. Although, given the growing tracking technologies, it seems to me doubtful the ability to hide the take-off and flight to the goal of the strategic bomber.

[5-9]

Well, yes, ZGRLS what is stealth, what is not stealth for thousands of kilometers they find .... that's just how to shoot down the Tu-95, Tu-160, that PAK YES - what and how? ..... missile range it is necessary to increase so that when starting from the joint venture from the Gulf of Mexico they came in :)))

[shoroh]

Alaska + Aegis High Speed ​​Interceptors?

[5-9]

What kind of high-speed interceptors over the North Pole? Secret 8th Generation or Imperial Star Wars Fighters? Aegis on submarines that can crack 5-meter ice?

[yfast]

It is better to consider the seventh generation, so that while building, no one overtook generations. Do we have a stealth technology school, that’s the question.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Do we have a stealth technology school, that’s the question.

Stealth is not a school, but a technology for reducing visibility, it has been known for a long time, it’s just that they did not use this technology before, because speed, range and maneuverability were in the first place.

The stealth F-117 in Yugoslavia shot down an air defense system which they began to develop in 1956, and the usual Yugoslav air defense aircraft were shot down as many as the stealth - one F-16.

If Yugoslavia had air defense more serious and modern, no one would dare to bomb them, and if they took a chance, they would lose a bunch of their planes and pilots.

[Aqr009]

Do we have a stealth technology school, that’s the question.

Is it technology, this stealth? Coat the epoxy with stealth.

[shinobi]

The bomber is a subsonic for stealth technologies. One can guess right up to the mark. The configuration can be anything, depending on the principle of stealth laid in the design. Our development was mainly radio-absorbing technology. These are materials and paints, for them the general design is not so fundamental. They relied on redirection-suppression of the reflected signal, it turned out to be the freak F-117. They spat when the focus failed. We went by the principle of dispersion-absorption, it turned out F-22. On the subsonic, the exhaust heat is hidden due to mixing with a large amount of external air at the outlet from dvigun, there the configuration of the nozzle is not so relevant.

[cniza]

If we talk about generations of combat aircraft, then earlier the classification boiled down to the fact that stealth technology and manned aircraft are fifth-generation aviation.

Who started these competitions in generations? why not compete in performance characteristics?