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How in the USA, arms stores were equated to the essential infrastructure in a pandemic

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The United States, indeed, has its own unique specifics in absolutely any matter. At a time when the rest of the world, with the onset of the “dark days” of the pandemic, the population rushed through pharmacies in search of protective masks and medicines, and long-term products and toilet paper were flushed from supermarket shelves, the Americans lined up to weapons shops. No, they also did not forget about hygiene products and a bottle of good whiskey, but the acquisition of "something gunshot" was in the first place for many.


It is still difficult to make an accurate assessment of how much sales of “civilian” weapons have increased there during the pandemic and the introduction of quarantine restrictions there. The data coming from different states for different time periods sometimes differ quite noticeably. So, Virginia is reporting about a nearly double increase in those wishing to obtain permission to buy weapons in January, North Carolina about an increase of 180%, Georgia - 170%. In February, the number of those who were tested at the FBI base (that is, nationwide) exceeded 3 and a half million, setting an absolute record. Some online stores of the corresponding profile boast of an increase in sales of 200-300%, and some say a fourfold increase.

Armory Lobby


To a large extent, the "explosive" growth of the arms business was facilitated by the activities of such a highly respected and authoritative organization in the USA as the National Rifle Association of America. The lobbying weight of this powerful structure in the highest political circles of Washington is so great that as soon as the lawmakers there hinted at closing the quarantine of weapons stores, an angry shout immediately followed: "Are you crazy?" The poor congressmen immediately came to their senses and quickly ranked sales outlets for the sale of deadly goods as “essential infrastructure” and allowed their work, despite all the restrictions.

The very decision to equate arms stores with the infrastructure of "essentials" for us looks like nonsense. But this is the USA ... The arms lobby is one of the leading places in the country, extending to leading government agencies. Hence the fact that presidential candidates usually speak of toughening legislation in this direction. As soon as they come to the White House after the victory in the elections, they hear at least less from them about toughening the laws of arms, or even not at all.

Buyer Categories


Most of all, the demand for “trunks” took off in the states that were most affected by the pandemic - New York, Illinois, Florida, Pennsylvania, as well as, which is typical in the “outback”, inhabited mainly by farmers. These have long been accustomed to rely on themselves and their own "assistant" of the appropriate caliber. Well, Texas - everything is traditional here ... The most popular, especially among residents of big cities, are the short-barreled weapons - pistols and revolvers, mainly with a 9 mm caliber. Some of them, for example, the widely publicized Glock of the most common models, are almost impossible to buy. The next in the list of "hits" of sales is AR-15 - a semi-automatic civilian copy of the army M-16. Good old pump-action shotguns are in third place and are in demand mainly on the periphery. Practically nobody takes a “classic” for hunting - they are obviously not going to shoot at rabbits and deer ...

However, quite eloquently the same is evidenced by the data of anonymous express polls, which they manage to carry out in the long lines to the cherished doors of the arms stores of the ubiquitous local journalists. The vast majority of buyers honestly admit that they are worried about their personal and property security, when millions of their fellow citizens are left without work every day, and in general "everything falls apart." Not everyone believes in the ability of the police in a pandemic to respond quickly and effectively to emerging threats. Many Americans quite realistically assume that it will come to riots, starvation riots and rampant looting. With a “barrel” in hand in such a situation, it is somehow more reliable, as ordinary Americans believe.

A separate category of buyers is people of Asian descent with an appropriate appearance. It doesn’t matter that this is already the second or third generation of those who came to the USA from Vietnam, Japan or the same China — in the wake of xenophobia intensely “unwound” by Washington and ridiculous accusations like the “Chinese virus”, these people are quite justifiably afraid for their lives, being afraid that “in which case” their houses will become the first objects of pogroms. Obediently, many of them are completely not going to play the role of sacrificial scapegoats.

The "coronavirus weapons" has several more characteristic features. For example, the fact that this time those who previously and in their thoughts did not keep having weapons at home massively reached the shelves of stores of the corresponding profile. Many such purchasers raise serious fears among experts who sell them the deadly goods about who the weapons in their inept hands would be dangerous for. Another detail - for the first time in stories US citizens almost without exception rushed to replenish and create "home arsenals" in connection with the outbreak of the disease. Earlier, something similar happened most often after the next president’s speech, declaring his intentions to tighten the rules on gun ownership or some kind of mass "shooting" like a tragedy at Sandy Hook School.

Together with pistols, rifles and shotguns, the Americans literally row clean their ammunition. In some outlets, it even comes to the introduction of “one-handed” vacation restrictions. Sellers laugh heartily: "Yes, they can’t shoot so much in their entire lives!" Who knows ... We, as Russian people, will recall the great words of the great Chekhov about the gun hanging on the wall in the first act ... A pandemic in the United States will sooner or later decline. But the most severe economic crisis with all its “charms” seems to be just beginning. And not only in the USA. Will he not become that "second act" in which the gun "hanging overhead" will be fired?
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  1. Sergey39
    Sergey39 25 May 2020 20: 28
    -6
    The revolutionary explosion foresees the people. The ghost of communism roams the United States.
    1. dauria
      dauria 25 May 2020 20: 46
      +7
      The ghost of communism roams the United States.


      So that's why they have trunks - to shoot back from the ghost of communism. laughing Well, maybe lucky, they’ll shoot at last. Pinned ahead of time, feed him.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 26 May 2020 05: 22
        -2
        Quote: dauria
        shoot back from the ghost of communism

        Wimps, it’s easy to drink to ghosts, but to drink to a coronavirus at least the size of a dog is much harder! But then you can shoot them in the millions! So win! laughing
    2. Kuroneko
      Kuroneko 26 May 2020 07: 48
      0
      No, they did not forget about hygiene products and a bottle of good whiskey either, but the purchase of "something firearms" for many was in the first place.

      Not, most likely outplayed by the most indulge in zombie shooters. = _ =
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 25 May 2020 20: 30
    +3
    Big business, very big.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 25 May 2020 20: 46
      +6
      Quote: rocket757
      Big business, very big.

      No, rather, the big world performance is bloody ... and very well planned ..
      Event 201 (eng. Event 201) - pandemic exercises conducted by Johns Hopkins University 18 2019 October, the with the participation of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the World Economic Forum.

      The author of the pandemic simulation model is American scientist Eric Toner, a senior fellow at the Center for Health Safety at Hopkins University. Evryl Haines, Martin Knuchel, George Fu Gao, Adrian Thomas and Stephen C. Redd also participated in the study group.

      During the game, the process of spreading a pandemic of a new zoonotic coronavirus, first transmitted from bats to pigs and then to humans, was simulated. Brazilian farms were recognized as the focus of infection. In the human population, infection was carried out by airborne droplets, as well as with handshakes and other tactile contacts. Tourists carry the disease across the oceans. A feature of the virus was the lack of an effective vaccine and selective mortality, mainly associated with individuals whose immunity is weakened. A hypothetical virus should look like a flu virus or SARS. In 18 months, he must destroy 65 million people around the world. The pandemic begins to slow due to a decrease in the number of susceptible people. The pandemic will continue until an effective vaccine appears or until 80–90% of the world's population is infected. From this point on, it is likely to become an endemic childhood illness. At the same time, the global economy will collapse by 11%

      That is, a MONTH before the epidemic, these gentlemen practiced and simulated. In this case, the outbreak of the coronovirus was worked out. Not the mumps, not the plague, not the anthrax, but the coronovirus.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 May 2020 21: 35
        +2
        what can one think, suppose ... from an elementary ability to analyze and predict, to a world conspiracy.
        covered all, already in real life, and now it is precisely with this that you will have to somehow cope, correct old mistakes and try not to produce new ones.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 25 May 2020 21: 43
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          to a world conspiracy.


          Maybe a conspiracy ... none of them will tell us about this.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 25 May 2020 21: 59
            +2
            Big things \ affairs are planned \ are discussed in the quiet of the offices ... without unnecessary access from the outside.
          2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 26 May 2020 07: 19
            +4
            Quote: NEXUS
            none of them will tell us about it

            And they’re doing it right. Since the vast majority of just a little panic and hysteria.
  3. Courier
    Courier 25 May 2020 20: 35
    29
    The second amendment of the US Constitution guarantees the right of Americans to store and carry weapons.
    Not a word about this, only the arms lobby.
    1. GMM
      GMM 25 May 2020 21: 01
      13
      And we still do not have all the regions, the federal law on the unhindered collection of deadwood works. It is necessary to take inquiries at the places, or notify the authorities in advance of the collection, or upon the completion of the collection to invite inspectors to draw up the necessary papers, that it was a dead wood ... But somewhere, the local authorities did not adopt legislative acts to clearly divide the dead wood and dead wood, in the latter case, they can be planted for its collection.
      1. Deck
        Deck 26 May 2020 07: 25
        +3
        And we still do not have all the regions, the federal law on the unhindered collection of deadwood works.


        This is a direct consequence of the lack of a Russian analogue of the second amendment! That's what you need to write in the constitution, and not be reset to zero.
    2. Quadro
      Quadro 30 May 2020 19: 51
      0
      Quote: Courier
      The second amendment of the US Constitution guarantees the right of Americans to store and carry weapons.
      Not a word about this, only the arms lobby.

      Oh yes, how can it be without local worship of the local constitution of pendosia. That's only in many states the restrictions are much tougher than ours, but in the EU everything with this is sad and not at all. The constitution was not written by the gods, but by people, which means they twist it as you like. All this holy worship for the constitution among Americans is Hollywood tales. This book is already more than 150 years old, it was written under the fact of apartheid, slavery and when it was a vital necessity to have a revolver in your pocket. I hope this herd begins to shoot each other, although they will not climb to us, they will take care of their problems.
  4. knn54
    knn54 25 May 2020 20: 39
    12
    You can still understand, but the presence on the Russian list of a bookmaker is, to put it mildly. Perplexing.
    1. Pvi1206
      Pvi1206 25 May 2020 21: 03
      +3
      by no means ... it seems that these are sponsors of the government ...
    2. polar fox
      polar fox 26 May 2020 09: 03
      -2
      Quote: knn54
      but the presence in the Russian list of the bookmaker is, to put it mildly. perplexing.

      Well, why, just someone from friends or relatives in a share of small ...
  5. paul3390
    paul3390 25 May 2020 20: 40
    +7
    Well - we put in front of the type of self-isolation, too, dare cartridges .. And the trunks - the benefit is that it is not so easy to buy them from us as in the USA. But the cartridges - people almost took bags .. For example, 9 R.A. to traumatism - there were absolutely none, 7.62x39 - only the cheapest BPZ remained. Well and so on ..
  6. Maks1995
    Maks1995 25 May 2020 20: 47
    +5
    Yes, Pandemics are 3 months old, and where are these boasted Chinese pogroms in the US?
  7. GMM
    GMM 25 May 2020 20: 47
    +7
    To limit Americans in the possibility of acquiring weapons will be comparable in terms of indignation of ordinary people and the consequences for the authorities with our allowable retirement of 100 years.
    No, we swallow it. Probably akin to banning us from celebrating Victory Day ... Damn, we were banned two weeks ago and we didn't even say anything.
    In short, a ban on weapons and states kirdyk!
    1. Quadro
      Quadro 30 May 2020 19: 55
      0
      Maybe you stop writing dumb populist nonsense? Do you even know that the parade was postponed, but not banned? Nobody forbade you to celebrate it, to congratulate veterans. How many veterans did you congratulate and generally helped them around May 9? But the throats all tear for the parade. The populists are rotten. You don’t even know that in the USA in many states the arms legislation is even stricter than ours.
  8. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 25 May 2020 21: 01
    +2
    will be something to shoot back from the police ...
  9. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 25 May 2020 21: 05
    -6
    Good people in the United States, and most importantly friendly. winked Weapons and ammunition were picked up so that they could shoot each other tightly, otherwise you never know who would hide behind a pinch of salt angry
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 26 May 2020 00: 02
      19
      Different people live in the USA. But this people lives according to its own laws. customs, and not afraid to remind others of their observance.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 26 May 2020 00: 41
        -8
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Different people live in the USA. But this people lives according to its own laws. customs, and not afraid to remind others of their observance.

        There is no people there, there is a population that is smiling fiercely deceitfully at each other, stroking the handle of a pistol in his pocket and waiting for an opportunity to reassure his neighbor, not to mention representatives of the true indigenous peoples driven into the reservation.
        1. Revival
          Revival 26 May 2020 00: 52
          +2
          There are just people
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 26 May 2020 20: 40
            +4
            Quote: Revival
            There are just people

            Why then are you tormented by comments? In our country, most of the homegrown liberotians and near-cultural figures, as a rule, are also more worried about their "people" than about the Russian, because they think that they were not lucky with their people. Are you not from their camp by any chance?
            1. Revival
              Revival 27 May 2020 00: 48
              -1
              I'm just not worried about their people
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 26 May 2020 08: 56
          +2
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          not to mention the representatives of the true indigenous peoples driven into the reservation.

          Do you even know what a reservation is? This is a place that is not subject to federal and state taxation. In particular, excise taxes on gasoline, tobacco, and alcohol, and bans on gambling. Therefore, the Indians build their casinos and row the loot. Well, essno leaders and those close to them get the hell out of it, and much less to others. Mostly white people work in casinos, because a free hunter or a warrior will go into "whatever you please", for this Great Manitou will not let him into the world of eternal hunting, while white people are bored in paradise and hot in hell. There are few folk dancers, and not all of them have talent. So the majority of the population of the reservation from idleness is drunk or old. Of course, the reservation is not a prison, anyone can leave it at any time, but outside it immediately becomes the subject of state laws and taxation, and loses the payments that the leaders from their bounty allocate to ordinary Indians. And consider no education, no profession, so where? Although those who want and can, they make their way, Indians are happy to take both to study and to work, if they are at least minimally adequate to show how racial equality is observed in this college, company, or institution - now, we even have Indians !
          1. ycuce234-san
            ycuce234-san 28 May 2020 09: 03
            0
            free hunter or warrior


            It is strange and inexpedient from the point of view of managing human resources and living standards: it is more logical to open on reservations, in addition to casinos, centers of any army and reserve training, which is more consistent with the mentality of their inhabitants and almost do not depend on the resources of the area, but rather depend on the relief and climate as conditions of preparation to climate and relief. Taxes then simply move from one state pocket to another state pocket. And almost all young Indians will master the initial profession of "an instructor in preparing for something there," and then - further training, study, career ...
          2. Quadro
            Quadro 30 May 2020 20: 02
            0
            Quote: Nagan
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            not to mention the representatives of the true indigenous peoples driven into the reservation.

            Do you even know what a reservation is? This is a place that is not subject to federal and state taxation. In particular, excise taxes on gasoline, tobacco, and alcohol, and bans on gambling. Therefore, the Indians build their casinos and row the loot. Well, essno leaders and those close to them get the hell out of it, and much less to others. Mostly white people work in casinos, because a free hunter or a warrior will go into "whatever you please", for this Great Manitou will not let him into the world of eternal hunting, while white people are bored in paradise and hot in hell. There are few folk dancers, and not all of them have talent. So the majority of the population of the reservation from idleness is drunk or old. Of course, the reservation is not a prison, anyone can leave it at any time, but outside it immediately becomes the subject of state laws and taxation, and loses the payments that the leaders from their bounty allocate to ordinary Indians. And consider no education, no profession, so where? Although those who want and can, they make their way, Indians are happy to take both to study and to work, if they are at least minimally adequate to show how racial equality is observed in this college, company, or institution - now, we even have Indians !

            But they drink themselves massively not only because of despair, but also because of the fact that they sell alcohol on privileges. They destroyed the people, and now they are finishing them off with preferential prices for booze and cigarettes, while keeping them on reservations in those places where they cannot even really do the housework. Ordinary Indians do not get anything from casinos, it’s ridiculous to read about how sacredly they follow the laws there. Leaders put everything in their pocket and that's it. But then you can justify these 18-19 century Hitlerites, they say, the Indians are uneducated. And who took everything from them, including education? It reminds me of a fairy tale about "social elevators" in the United States, which are there only for the rich and who have acquaintances at the top.
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 26 May 2020 02: 55
        +5
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        this people lives by its own laws. customs, and not afraid to remind others of their observance.

        good
        hi
  10. samarin1969
    samarin1969 25 May 2020 21: 15
    -2
    For Americans, the Great Depression is more terrible than World War II. On May 8, + 20 million unemployed is quite a real threat to life and property. Last week another +2,4 million. Unemployed are not zombies. But the American layman is trying to fight them in the spirit of the 30s and movies about cyberpunk.
    The Yankees do not seem to completely trust Trump's social assistance program.
    1. Liam
      Liam 25 May 2020 21: 25
      +8
      Quote: samarin1969
      For Americans, the Great Depression is more terrible than World War II. On May 8, + 20 million unemployed is quite a real threat to life and property. +2,4 million more last week

      Do not talk about things in which do not understand anything.
      In the United States, unemployment benefits are paid for those on unpaid leave, and about 80% of those who apply for unemployment now, as soon as quarantines are lifted, they will immediately go to work
      1. dali
        dali 29 May 2020 11: 20
        0
        Quote: Liam
        Do not talk about things in which do not understand anything.
        In the United States, unemployment benefits are paid for those on unpaid leave, and about 80% of those who apply for unemployment now, as soon as quarantines are lifted, they will immediately go to work

        Have you tried living on this allowance in the USA? belay
      2. Quadro
        Quadro 30 May 2020 20: 07
        0
        Quote: Liam
        Quote: samarin1969
        For Americans, the Great Depression is more terrible than World War II. On May 8, + 20 million unemployed is quite a real threat to life and property. +2,4 million more last week

        Do not talk about things in which do not understand anything.
        In the United States, unemployment benefits are paid for those on unpaid leave, and about 80% of those who apply for unemployment now, as soon as quarantines are lifted, they will immediately go to work

        Can you stop broadcasting pro-nonsense nonsense? Have you ever seen benefits? Have you seen any lines for a free ghost? With horseradish, are you so sure that they will return to work? Homeless people are not taken to work, many have already lost their homes due to debts. They hardly pay benefits, there are a lot of cases described in local news - they lost their jobs, they do not give unemployment benefits (plus you have to prove that you are unemployed), there is nothing to mortgage for a house and a car, as a result, in one of the stories, a woman with a child she barely received food stamps, they give coupons about $ 1-3, the UN threshold of poverty is $ 5. That is, the US government simply did not give a damn about everyone, and even does not pay unemployment benefits. But you impudent liar do not like to mention it.
  11. samarin1969
    samarin1969 25 May 2020 21: 48
    -1
    Quote: Liam
    they will immediately go to work

    It seems that the Americans are not sure about this.
    It is likely that the quarantine will provoke a crisis on a larger scale than the "mortgage" one. It’s not me who “thinks” about this, but the head of the IMF, BBS “Unemployment among Americans has broken all records since the Great Depression between the two world wars of the last century,” news agencies. Bloomberg is frightening with massive bankruptcies in the United States. And the United States, long-livers remember "Hoovervilles" and "Grapes of Wrath".
    With Glocks, Americans are more comfortable listening to the news. They are clearly not going to shoot for viruses.

    ps I envy your optimism, Liam. Stock market fighters do not have such a confident insider. laughing
    1. Liam
      Liam 25 May 2020 21: 59
      +5
      And this is not optimism, but realism and knowledge of the materiel. Unemployment benefits are social benefits for those who are in quarantine. In Russia, they would call it "self-isolation"). It is clear that there will be some bankruptcies and not everyone will return to work, but only 80% of which is indicated in the post, but this does not mean that the real unemployment will be all those tens of millions from your horror story.
      In addition, the US labor market differs from Europe, and even more so from Russia, by much greater mobility. Americans often change jobs and do not become unemployed for years. So I wouldn’t be very worried about the USA
      1. Quadro
        Quadro 30 May 2020 20: 09
        0
        Quote: Liam
        And this is not optimism, but realism and knowledge of the materiel. Unemployment benefits are social benefits for those who are in quarantine. In Russia, they would call it "self-isolation"). It is clear that there will be some bankruptcies and not everyone will return to work, but only 80% of which is indicated in the post, but this does not mean that the real unemployment will be all those tens of millions from your horror story.
        In addition, the US labor market differs from Europe, and even more so from Russia, by much greater mobility. Americans often change jobs and do not become unemployed for years. So I wouldn’t be very worried about the USA

        Another nonsense from Amer lackey. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTMZJqOooJo
        Look, maybe you won't lie so clearly. You do not understand anything, you have no proof, you just write nonsense in the style of "realism and knowledge of the materiel." Do you think someone will believe you? Funny.
    2. GMM
      GMM 25 May 2020 22: 15
      +1
      There is a possibility that the quarantine will provoke a crisis on a larger scale than the "mortgage" one.

      Oh, oh, easy! The Russian economy may not survive it. I hope you remember how their mortgage crisis hit us. A quarter of the gold and foreign exchange reserve was lowered to stabilize the ruble, which ultimately was released into free float. I remind you that at the beginning of this voyage, the dollar was worth 23 rubles.
  12. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 25 May 2020 22: 00
    0
    To each his own, someone on self-isolation, someone saves his ass.
    1. Revival
      Revival 26 May 2020 00: 54
      0
      Yes, someone in paid self-isolation, someone in unpaid.
      That makes all the difference
      1. Quadro
        Quadro 30 May 2020 20: 11
        0
        Quote: Revival
        Yes, someone in paid self-isolation, someone in unpaid.
        That makes all the difference

        Well, what kind of paid self-isolation is there? A lump sum payment of 1300 dollars, when for a normal life there you need to get at least 4000? Is that such a concern? They made fun.
        1. Revival
          Revival 31 May 2020 01: 32
          -2
          We were amused by the lack of payment at all
  13. samarin1969
    samarin1969 25 May 2020 22: 32
    +2
    Quote: mmg
    Oh, oh, easy! The Russian economy may not survive it

    Not about the Russian Federation ... And I'm not Stiglitz or some Greenspan to make predictions. laughing
    It was about the demand for weapons in the United States. Depression is a common horror story of American householders, even in "pre-viral" life ... On VO also about shotguns, "saigas" and other "sedatives" are regularly remembered.
    And the fact that the Russian economy does not have the capabilities of the Federal Reserve System, the Central Bank and is vulnerable to the global crisis is obvious. And everyone remembers the collapse of the “safe haven” concept, “whoever buys above 30 will lose”.
    But the Americans also remember the collapse of Lehman br.
  14. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 25 May 2020 22: 42
    -2
    Useless information.
    Although one blogger from there, yes, he reported on the purchase of six hundred rounds of ammunition ... For the fight, we must assume with the hooligans.
    Harsh but hooligans ... I thought. When purchasing such a BC! ...

    I would even recommend to attend to the purchase of RPGs however ...
    Kah Zhahnesh at the front door! So- Zhahnes!
    There, the opponents, and the melancholy will lag, and the sadness will pass!
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 25 May 2020 23: 10
      +6
      Quote: Benzorez
      When purchasing such a BC! ...
      Let me remind you: normal ammunition - 900 rounds.
      Quote: Benzorez
      I would even recommend to attend to the purchase of RPGs however ...
      I have been hinting to people about the prospects for the production and sales of hunting ATGMs.
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 25 May 2020 23: 47
        +2
        PTour
        Father. This is the land of the right machine.
        In the right place. Believe me.
      2. your1970
        your1970 28 May 2020 19: 53
        0
        Quote: bk0010
        Let me remind you: normal BC - 900 cartridges.
        -on such quantities, this means one thing: you shoot back from the police station at least ... well, or from a squirrel ...
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 28 May 2020 21: 37
          0
          Quote: your1970
          -on such quantities, this means one thing: you shoot back from the police station at least ... well, or from a squirrel ...
          Google Riots in Minneapolis. Imagine that you live there, and that you need not only to protect your relatives at the moment, but also to clean up all the "offended" before the end of the riots, so that later you will not have any problems from them. And then estimate the required ammunition, considering that "one shot - one dead" is an unattainable ideal. I think it will become clear that 900 rounds is not "too much", but "not enough, but no more carry".
          1. your1970
            your1970 28 May 2020 21: 52
            0
            Quote: bk0010
            Google Riots in Minneapolis. Imagine that you live there, and that you need not only to protect your relatives at the moment, but also to clean up all the "offended" before the end of the riots, so that later you will not have any problems from them. And then estimate the required ammunition, considering that "one shot - one dead" is an unattainable ideal. I think it will become clear that 900 rounds is not "too much", but "not enough, but no more carry".
            I will answer with a quote of myself
            Quote: your1970
            why did I read you and realized that I’m living here several times more comfortably ... just because there is no need to stock up cartridges for war
            1. bk0010
              bk0010 28 May 2020 21: 55
              0
              Quote: your1970
              why did I read you and realized that I’m living here several times more comfortably ... just because there is no need to stock up cartridges for war
              As for the war is not necessary, but in the early days it is worth having a stock.
              1. your1970
                your1970 28 May 2020 22: 07
                0
                Having looked at life for all sorts of things, I’m sure that such shooters, in the presence of an insistent desire to ditch them, just stupidly throw cocktails ... from the rear / sides / top ...
                even we have something to burn, and even in the states with their cardboard walls and wooden carcasses, carcasses the sky

                I thought I had a lot of rounds - 3 packs of 12 gauge belay belay lol lol and then there’s ...

                it turns out that a normal person needs to have a rhinestone - "post No. 4. Warehouses of the RAV division" repeat
  15. kit88
    kit88 25 May 2020 22: 47
    12
    The United States, indeed, has its own unique specifics in absolutely any matter.

    Not, but our country is also not quite understood by the mind.
    At a time when a pandemic is around, and the United States openly calls us the enemy and constantly punishes us for something, ours include McDonald's from the state of Illinois, USA, in the list of backbone companies for state. support during a crisis. belay
    This means our taxes go to Illinois, and then there is nothing to eat the comrades of billionaires, the owners of this company? fool
    1. your1970
      your1970 28 May 2020 19: 56
      0
      it means that 50 000 McDonald's workers will not become unemployed, and their product suppliers will not lose their main buyer ...
      At any other time I am with both hands - "McDonald's go hom !!"
  16. Prisoner
    Prisoner 25 May 2020 23: 42
    +5
    "A dagger is good for someone who has it, and bad for someone who doesn't have it at the right time." (from) winked There will be a dagger, there will be a dog ..., sorry, and medicines, and masks, and food. laughing
  17. Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 26 May 2020 00: 17
    11
    Problem number times. Among the criminals in the United States, there are a LOT of sheer scumbags. Up to the point that they kill cats "so as not to be identified." Consider that here, since childhood, they have been telling you that they say social Darwinism, competition, etc., etc. As a result, people grow up who in other people see only competitors for goodies: there are not enough good jobs for everyone. There are not enough houses in safe areas for everyone. Pretty girls too. ITd and so on according to the list. Therefore, in the USA, the proverbs "Better you than me" have been circulating for a very long time - you are better than me (you will get into trouble), "Always look out for number one - YOURSELF" - Always take care of the most important thing - yourself. And the famous "nothing personal - just business". It's just the mentality that people around are competitors, or potential customers (maybe even suckers). This mentality lays its imprint on behavior. I personally saw how in the Marianos store, a man of 35 years old grabbed a loaf of bread from an elderly woman. And not the last, there were more on the shelf. It's just that the person was wearing a mask and decided not to bother, but what will he do? Who will recognize him? And this is here - quite often. In the case of a big P, I am afraid of my neighbor, because he already knows EXACTLY what can be done at my house. What is chornomazy may not know, for it is my home - a random target, but the neighbor PARTICULAR knows. That's why I brag to all the neighbors that I have such cool electronics from the 90s, they say they don't make such reliable. Yes, it's true, but I tell everyone how I have nothing to profit from in my house ... Moreover, since the criminals here are complete scumbags, they often prefer not to leave witnesses until the police get there - you are a dead body. A few years ago, teenagers opened the apartment and killed all the pets - including the fish so that they would not be "identified" (I'm not kidding, it WAS). with what teenagers are not black but WHITE from prosperous families. The kids wanted adrenaline. In schools, kids scoff at each other with amazing sophisticated cruelty. (from there and postrelushki in schools). So, for the average American, almost ANY other American, in the case of a large P, is a potential enemy: either the victim (you'd better die of hunger and thirst than me), or the attacker. There is little hope for cops. They simply do not have time to arrive. But there is more hope for the trunk. I live in a completely prosperous area. But I have an M1 carbine at the head of the bed (so as not to shoot through the walls here from drywall) And when this boozer started, I bought not only ammunition, but also bought another AUG rifle, though I had wanted it for a long time, it was an excuse for my wife that they say ... need. And ammunition - well, I just bought the XM885 1000 pieces. Why? And because then prices skyrocketed, and even what you need is not always available. And so - there is. As we say - it's good that we have, I hope that they will NEVER be needed.
    That only complete degenerates seriously think that in which case they can resist the police, SWAT, the National Guard or the Army (ascending). The rest are armed from swarms of robbers and looters. Which, incidentally, also has a lot of interesting, and often VERY illegal nishtyakov enough. Up to automatic weapons and the M72. By the time police gets to you - you will be laying in a chalk outline (As long as the police reach you, you will lie surrounded by chalk). Man to man or wolf or sheep ...
    1. Whiteidol
      Whiteidol 26 May 2020 01: 23
      0
      In the US, not a foot ..
      1. Baron pardus
        Baron pardus 26 May 2020 01: 55
        +5
        yes, no, you just need to understand the specifics of the mentality. Every man for himself. And most importantly CYA (Cover Your Ass). For example, when we arrived in the USA, my mother asked her best friend, who came to the USA 7 years before us, to help her with her work. A friend named "Turovetskaya" refused "If they take you and you work worse than me, they will tell me that I have recommended a lazy person. If you work better than me, they will fire me and you will be put in my place. Sorry, but I will not help." Things have gotten even worse since then. Again, nothing personal, I don’t mind you doing well, but I will not expose myself. Those who served in the Armed Forces have an ABSOLUTELY different mentality, like a different country. And the veterans REALLY help each other. The US Armed Forces make at least more or less normal people out of scum. At the same time, material well-being is very, very good. Just people are rotten. Exactly like Frederick the Great and predicted that they say materialism - decomposes.
        During the Reagan presidency, spending on "mental health" - psychiatrists and psychologists - was cut down VERY MUCH. A lot of people from hospitals were released into the streets, and a lot of people were also unable to pay for services. That's how they walk the streets. And you NEVER ... NEVER know what a brow has in his pocket, and at what level of psychological stress he is. Even in normal districts, the people break the coils. My neighbor, a policeman, was stabbed by a resident of Vernon Hills (a wealthy white suburb), for what? For the fact that he stopped him for speeding and because of this he was late for an interview. I mean, the people decided to stab MENT with a knife just for the fact that he stopped him for recklessness. And the person - before that was not noticed in anything. And there are enough of them. And this is also a problem.
        Just when you come to the USA, remember - every man for himself. Yes, they can help, but purely to show off in front of others that they say "how generous I am - I help losers." And the organizations collecting "help" rip off as much as they can, if 20% of what they donated reaches the needy - it's luck. But again. Financially, it is much better here than in Russia or at Nezalezhnaya.
        And liberalism, along with other nasty things, instilled in people that they say they can do everything: insult, and spit, and scream like possessed people, but they can do it because each of them is "a unique, precious, unique, in his own way creative personality with an individual vision of the world, which everyone MUST respect and listen and agree. "
        All this, superimposed one on top of the other, is very mind-boggling. When you DO NOT KNOW how the neighbors are called by name. And neighbors often do not speak to each other AT ALL. Loneliness among the crowd. Even Grandpa Cooper sang "We are clones and we are all alone". Hence the bullying both at work and in educational institutions, and, naturally, massive post-shootings, transcendental cruelty (without communicating closely with people, empathy and sympathy completely atrophy) and other delights. You just need to understand where you live and with whom you communicate.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 26 May 2020 02: 33
          +2
          Quote: Baron Pardus
          When you DON'T KNOW how neighbors are called by name. And neighbors often do not talk to each other at all.

          Well this is where. For example, I am familiar with almost everyone on our street. Of course, we don’t go to visit, but at the meeting hi, how are you? and sometimes a couple of meaningless phrases, such as about the weather. Moreover, I am still the least sociable.
          Quote: Baron Pardus
          You just need to understand where you live and with whom you communicate.

          This is yes, always and everywhere.
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 26 May 2020 02: 37
        +2
        Quote: Whiteidol
        In the US, not a foot ..

        If you think that we are here only you are not enough for complete happiness, you are very mistaken. Nobody is waiting for you here.
        1. Whiteidol
          Whiteidol 26 May 2020 21: 29
          +1
          I live well in the morder.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 26 May 2020 02: 51
      +2
      Quote: Baron Pardus
      I live in a completely prosperous area

      Obviously not quite.
      Quote: Baron Pardus
      There is little hope for cops. Those just do not have time to arrive.
      The police is only minutes away, when seconds count.
      Quote: Baron Pardus
      so that they do not shoot through the walls here from drywall
      Do not expect it to flash through, and the one who fails behind the wall. Even my Nagan breaks through 50 meters of 5 pine inch boards. And to break through sheetrock, a layer of glass wool, and siding is enough and .22LR, it's 5.6mm crayon.
      1. Baron pardus
        Baron pardus 26 May 2020 03: 04
        0
        Well, not from the M14, I’m shmaging at home if someone climbs. And obviously not from AP15 or Hryundel / Boar there. So the M1 carbine is it. With pistols, I'm not so bad, I just prefer a rifle, although there are Cesetta, TTshka, and even Military and Police and 1911 (if you are in the USA and you don't have 1911 you are not a patriot :-)) .. My wife , carbine 9mm. She also likes rifles better. Rayon is normal. I live across the street from the cop. Rayon White. But the "guest performers" from Chicago occasionally visit both Vernon Hills, Arlington Heights, and Buffalo Grove, Deerfield, last year some negritos opened the house, but they did not kill anyone - they cleaned everything (pets, by the way, did not touch) yes, and here thugs are found. As elsewhere in the United States. But in the case of Bolshoi PeTse, the cops will protect themselves and their families, and certainly not me. The cops are people too, I am nobody to them, and each of them has families, moreover, in the case of the Big Pe Tse cops, as always, they will try to bring down the first and even destroy all the archives of the mentura - a common thing. So it's every man for himself. By the way, I have long wanted to find out if the 32 H&R cartridge will be smashed into the revolver when fired or not?
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 26 May 2020 05: 24
          +1
          Quote: Baron Pardus
          By the way, I have long wanted to find out if the 32 H&R cartridge will be smashed into the revolver when fired or not?
          I have not tried it. I have long bought zinc from my native Naganovsky 7.62x38R, though now there is much less, I traveled to the shooting gallery.
          Quote: Baron Pardus
          if you are in the USA and you do not have 1911 you are not a patriot :-)
          My brother bought one (not a clone, a real Colt), I shot a couple of times and realized that I didn’t want to buy one. .45ACP cartridges are relatively expensive, it’s heavy, and flounders so that even a combination of headphones and ear plugs does not help much. Nagan in this sense is quieter, and lies more pleasant in the hand.
          Quote: Baron Pardus
          Rayon White. But "guest performers" from Chicago occasionally visit both Vernon Hills, Arlington Heights, and Buffalo Grove,
          IL is still that cesspool, much less so close to Chicago. It seems like I read somewhere on Fox News that Chicago beat Detroit in the killings, and Detroit is still that monkey. These former niggas, and now African Americans, of course mostly shoot each other, but it happens that decent people also fall under the hand.
          1. alma
            alma 26 May 2020 09: 01
            +1
            Baron Pardus (Dmitry) and Nagan - thanks guys, broadened my horizons good drinks
          2. your1970
            your1970 28 May 2020 20: 05
            -1
            Quote: Nagan
            These former niggas, and now African Americans, of course mostly shoot each other, but it happens that decent people also fall under the hand.


            why did I read you and realized that I here lives on the spot at times calmer ... just because there is no need for ammunition for war

            I had about the same number of cartridges in the nest in the army in Kushka in 1989-90 m, but from that side they regularly shot day and night ...

            God forbid us from such a "free circulation of the COP" !!!!
            Quote: Nagan
            These former niggas, and now African Americans, of course mostly shoot each other, but it happens that decent people also fall under the hand.
    3. Normal ok
      Normal ok 26 May 2020 04: 55
      +2
      Quote: Baron Pardus
      Problem number times. Among the criminals in the United States, there are a LOT of sheer scumbags. Up to the point that they kill cats "so as not to be identified." Consider that here, since childhood, they have been telling you that they say social Darwinism, competition, etc., etc. As a result, people grow up who in other people see only competitors for goodies: there are not enough good jobs for everyone. There are not enough houses in safe areas for everyone. Pretty girls too. ITd and so on according to the list. Therefore, in the USA, the proverbs "Better you than me" have been circulating for a very long time - you are better than me (you will get into trouble), "Always look out for number one - YOURSELF" - Always take care of the most important thing - yourself. And the famous "nothing personal - just business". It's just the mentality that people around are competitors, or potential customers (maybe even suckers). This mentality lays its imprint on behavior. I personally saw how in the Marianos store, a man of 35 years old grabbed a loaf of bread from an elderly woman. And not the last, there were more on the shelf. It's just that the person was wearing a mask and decided not to bother, but what will he do? Who will recognize him? And this is here - quite often. In the case of a big P, I am afraid of my neighbor, because he already knows EXACTLY what can be done at my house. What is chornomazy may not know, for it is my home - a random target, but the neighbor PARTICULAR knows. That's why I brag to all the neighbors that I have such cool electronics from the 90s, they say they don't make such reliable. Yes, it's true, but I tell everyone how I have nothing to profit from in my house ... Moreover, since the criminals here are complete scumbags, they often prefer not to leave witnesses until the police get there - you are a dead body. A few years ago, teenagers opened the apartment and killed all the pets - including the fish so that they would not be "identified" (I'm not kidding, it WAS). with what teenagers are not black but WHITE from prosperous families. The kids wanted adrenaline. In schools, kids scoff at each other with amazing sophisticated cruelty. (from there and postrelushki in schools). So, for the average American, almost ANY other American, in the case of a large P, is a potential enemy: either the victim (you'd better die of hunger and thirst than me), or the attacker. There is little hope for cops. They simply do not have time to arrive. But there is more hope for the trunk. I live in a completely prosperous area. But I have an M1 carbine at the head of the bed (so as not to shoot through the walls here from drywall) And when this boozer started, I bought not only ammunition, but also bought another AUG rifle, though I had wanted it for a long time, it was an excuse for my wife that they say ... need. And ammunition - well, I just bought the XM885 1000 pieces. Why? And because then prices skyrocketed, and even what you need is not always available. And so - there is. As we say - it's good that we have, I hope that they will NEVER be needed.
      That only complete degenerates seriously think that in which case they can resist the police, SWAT, National Guard or Army (ascending). The rest are armed from swarms of robbers and looters. Which, incidentally, also has a lot of interesting, and often VERY illegal nishtyakov enough. Up to automatic weapons and M72

      You see, you left for the states long ago. Everything that you have listed has long become the norm in the vastness of the former Soviet Union. Moreover, in the Russian press last year they wrote (on VO, too) that in quite normal schools there are branched children's criminal organizations that live "according to concepts" and do not just scoff their classmates but collect money from them to "warm up the zone" ... If you do not enter, you are among those who are lowered, if you enter, take part in lawlessness.
      There is one difference - they put me here for self-defense. I’m silent about the availability of weapons.
      1. Baron pardus
        Baron pardus 26 May 2020 07: 37
        +4
        Here you can also call on the bunk for self-defense. You have to PROVE that there was a threat to you. For example, last year, one guy ambushed those who cleaned houses in the district (without killing anyone). He caught them, shot them (it turned out a couple of white teenagers, a boy and a girl, were looking for an adrenaline rush), and then, recording himself on the camera, defiantly finished them off, emnip shots in the stomach and recorded how they were dying from loss of blood and pain .. And he sat down. Since they were already shot, they were not a danger to him. Another option can happen, though extremely rare. They got into your house, you shot him, he can theoretically judge you for your injury and disability. One of the reasons you are OPENLY told at self-defense lessons is that, in the case of self-defense, hrenyatke it until the enemy stops moving, which is why he will not judge you if he survives. There’s something else where there’s an idiotic law at all - a warning shot is a crime — a reckless firearm discharge, so you can land with a warning shot. You are RESPONSIBLE for one more subtlety for all that the bullets let out by you will do. That is, you missed, a bullet punched a window, flew 50 meters, broke a window in another house, and smashed the television - you are responsible for both the new window and the new TV. Suppose you were taken on a gop stop, you took out a trunk, and the attackers rushed to run. You have no right to nag them in the back - sit down for the murder. In short, there are also a lot of restrictions when and where you can hrenyat on lessons and gopnik. Everything is VERY strict. Even in states like Texas or Montana. The rules for the use of a firearm in self-defense are very clearly stipulated in the Ug Code.
        He left in 1991. And as for the fact that you’ve done in schools. Well Duc "children - flowers of life - thief grows a pancake", these kids are not from Mars and not from Nabiru flew to you. Here is a section of your society. Congratulations. We have VERY similar here. In projects, all kinds of colors are very quickly divided into gangs, sometimes on an ethnic basis, shorter than evolutions from tribal wars - ZERO. Well, then on the list. Up to poking people who wear "the wrong colors" (FOOL - Folks Our Only Love), with knives and screwdrivers, and of course crap with their baseball bats. In the suburbs, another - of course there are children who WANT to think that they are there GD, Vice Lords, Black Stones, or some other fucking thing. They behave appropriately, although these are very "fond" of real black bandits. True, without assault, in the rich white suburbs, the parents of your victim can quickly put your moles on the loot. Legally. But they break into cliques, and, often, scam outsiders absolutely mercilessly. As a rule, not physicists - morally. Although filling the spray bottle with urine and pouring urine over such an outsider is generally normal. Very funny. Hazing (Hazing) just rolls over sometimes. For example, there was a scandal at Deerfield High School. It turned out that if you want to be given a chance to be admitted to the club of "cool people" you have to go through a ritual where urine and shit of these "cool people" was poured on your head. The teachers, naturally, "did not know" and "did not suspect." And their career is more expensive. It’s more expensive for you to hurt children. But you will not join the club, well, the collective farm is voluntary - you are nobody, there is no way to call you. They won’t beat you, but they won’t invite you to cool parties, cool girls and guys will not meet with you, but they can easily mock morally. Of course, you can create a reputation for being a scumbag and provoking someone to a fight, he would be crippled, but only to get him started. This is what my friend Mark did, he just broke the "tough guy" hand and knee, and then almost bit his ear. Yes, you will be left alone. But you and your friends and hostels will not increase. You will simply be ignored, even, sometimes, some outsiders like yourself, just so as not to provoke "cool people". So this is a section of our society. Well, the outsiders endure for a long time, then they take the trunk (either they dig it from relatives, or buy a left one, even a singed one), and, having declared to school, they settle accounts with everyone. And then teachers and psychologists make naive round eyes and say "where, how could this happen." Well, then it gradually pops up. But, of course, not the teachers, not the parents, not classmates are to blame, but "cruel video games, films and WEAPONS" I have a cousin, Denku, who was born here, by the way, such bullying was brought to a loop. Saved, pumped out. And by the way they didn’t beat him. Just made a pariah. So here too, a lot of interesting things are happening in schools here. The fact that drugs, even in good schools, are trifles. But the girls are given drugs for free - they are planted. This is in Buffalo Grove, and, Wilmette, and everywhere. And the teachers “do not know”, and the cops shrug their shoulders, “And the school administration does not let us into schools, so as not to“ injure the children ”. That's it. You can avoid all this at school. But you will not be popular and cool, you will not have “right people” as friends, and “cool” girls and guys will not meet with you. Schools are not a gift here either. In addition to the military and the Catholic.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 26 May 2020 08: 33
          +1
          Quote: Baron Pardus
          So here too, a lot of interesting things are happening in schools here.

          Well nifigase you wrote! I thought this only happens in indecent places, such as high diversity or finally minority majority town. Of course I heard about this, but not where I live. I have one child who went through a public school from kindergarten before graduating from high school, now she is in the 3rd year of college. Junior is just in high school. I know about the fact that there are all kinds of cliques at school, but affiliation with them is purely voluntary, they are not forcibly dragged out, they are not persecuted for non-participation, but the fact that cool kids do not communicate with you can be experienced. Yes, you can buy grass at school or something more serious, but mine doesn’t need it. If not, I have several packs of narcotic oxycodone tablets openly (nothing illegal - painkillers are officially prescribed from my herniated discs), they know where that is, and they don’t carry it. True, our city is more than 80% white, and most non-whites are Indians, Koreans, and other Asians. Blacks excuse me, there are practically no African Americans and Latinos, we have a very high tax on real estate (real estate), but they don’t like it. And the school district in our country includes only our town, and from neighboring cities, among which there is high diversity, students are not taken.
          And there is also such a cartoon. In the neighboring, much richer and white town at school a couple of years ago there was an epidemic of overdoses with fentanyl. Rich parents buy cool cars and rags for their children, give dubious amounts of money, and the children on their Porsches and Lexuses travel to the neighboring racially diverse city and buy heroin there. Well, some sellers dilute heroin like powdered sugar, but to still take it, they add cheaper fentanyl. But fentanyl is such a powerful thing that an extra fraction of a milligram is enough to go where they don’t come back from.
          So it looks like I was not mistaken, and your city is really not quite prosperous. I have friends who live in New York City, mainly in Brooklyn, but there are also in Manhattan, so they get out of this situation by the fact that their children go to private schools or yeshivas, expensive but cheaper than lawyers and drug rehab. For example, one gave a 6-year-old girl to the first grade of public school and a few days later she asked: "daddy, am I sexy?" The next day he transferred her to a yeshiva, it is better to let her head with the Talmud than learn to do this.
          hi
        2. Shopping Mall
          Shopping Mall 28 May 2020 16: 41
          0
          Quote: Baron Pardus
          ... The rules for using a firearm in self-defense are very clearly stipulated in the UG Code ...


          In Russia, the main problem is precisely that the rules in self-defense are not clearly stipulated. And those that are stipulated, the police and the courts interpret at their discretion. At least, such an opinion is formed on the basis of law enforcement practice available for analysis.

          Well, the people are mowing, of course - "he hit me in the face, I went home, took a gun and shot him ..."
    4. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 28 May 2020 13: 09
      0
      The rest are armed from swarms of robbers and looters.


      And all the same, only the armament of the American population is an obvious half measure, with regard to their mentality and way of life. It would be necessary to train the population at least in collective armed guards of their quarter and street and set up a control center and warnings: 90% of robberies and vandalism are immediately cut off and guards, police and warriors would flock to serious gangs like honey bees. It also makes sense within a block or street to have a warehouse of sand, bags and trench - for equipping the simplest checkpoints and trenches. It would be interesting for the police to organize this, such help from citizens is interesting, as this will relieve them in a disaster situation.
      What is more important is the lack of interest in the simplest means of communication - walkie-talkies buy a lot less than a small gun. It would be interesting to observe how the local mentality would change and mortality would decrease if, as a result of changes in the legislation, the gunner would be obliged to sell and the sold one should only be equipped with the simplest walkie-talkie and, when training and renewal of rights, they would also give up radio communication skills.
      1. your1970
        your1970 28 May 2020 20: 18
        0
        Quote: ycuce234-san
        It would be necessary to train the population at least in collective armed guards of their quarter and street and to establish a control center and alerts:
        - fool fool fool
        You wrote the Russian language
        Quote: Baron Pardus
        Just coming to the US, remember - every man for himself.
        !!!!!!
        Quote: Baron Pardus
        When you DON'T KNOW how neighbors are called by name. And neighbors often do not talk to each other at all. Loneliness among the crowd.
        !!!!!!!!!!!!!
        and you are a "collective" ......
        1. ycuce234-san
          ycuce234-san 29 May 2020 04: 25
          0
          The average US citizen has at least a dozen different types of formal or informal membership: church parish, party membership, Jim club, professional association (trade union), charitable organization, school council, community organizations, and neighborhood community (community, neighborhood). That is, the American does not maintain basic relations with precisely "fence" neighbors, and many of the members of such organizations live on the same street or block, although they do not border. Life-saving radio communication in an acute social situation is possible even for the most perfect misanthrope - with the local police station, not to mention a hunter-friend who lives a kilometer or two down the street. The secret of the simultaneous existence of interhuman competition and active social interaction is that they compete for objects of competition - for example, jobs and positions, but competition does not concern anything else.
          1. your1970
            your1970 29 May 2020 07: 11
            0
            You wrote a lot of words, described membership in the breakthrough of organizations, the lack of competition outside of work ...
            Trouble is that if they have DNDs (with walkie-talkies), then only in the remote countryside, at some kind of rednecks .... well, or in some kind of Chinatowns ...

            There will be no average CITIZEN die for the sake of a quarterly neighbor ....

            And you have confirmed this, with a large number of rounds to protect YOURSELF, beloved ...
            1. ycuce234-san
              ycuce234-san 29 May 2020 11: 19
              0
              There will be no average CITIZEN die for the sake of a quarterly neighbor ....


              It will not, but it will have to ... on fire.
              In case of pogroms, if the weapons were allowed to enter without hesitation, the thugs would take refuge in shelters, which is not observed, but there are fires and new and new arsons for many days. The mere presence of an arsenal is useless; more diverse equipment and organizational work are needed.

              [media = https: //www.1tv.ru/n/386710]

              By the way, it would be time for organizations selling fire extinguishing agents to take action - to demand that they be recognized as essential infrastructure wink .
          2. Baron pardus
            Baron pardus 29 May 2020 09: 26
            +1
            Collective? Only with the presence of a LEADER whose authority is recognized. Otherwise, "Who are you to order me?" - this mentality is very often shown in American films and is NOT IN THE MOST imagined. It's one thing when you are a member of militia. And not only you yourself enrolled there, there is discipline like in the army, and what’s the head of it, there the overwhelming majority served. Another thing is when a bunch of civilian cretins - the crowd. Herd., "And who are you to indicate everything, we are all equal and free." They will just send you. In small villages where everyone knows everyone, yes, it’s different there, and in suburbia or in the city there is a herd, and each for himself. Organized gangs, such as GDs there, or Vice Lords or Black p stones, yes, they will be organized and, in the case of a big pe, they will endorse the people. BECAUSE, of course, they shoot down another friend dividing the prey, but BECAUSE. And I, of course, like all members of Militia, have a walkie-talkie. As for "membership in the church", then here, too, how the card will fall. The mentality "Better you than me" has not been canceled by ANYONE. No, there are decent ones. But here selfishness is elevated to the highest degree "If you don't take care of yourself - nobody will", well, and so on. The person who goes to church with you can easily decide that your medicines are more important to him, and then he will say "Only Good Lord can judge me, not you" .. So "membership" in all these organizations means NOTHING. I also go to the rocking chair. I don’t even know there are 7 people who go with me at the same time. School advice also means nothing. You deal not only with bureaucrats at school, but also with the parents of those degenerates who prevent your child from learning. Union Well, not all in unions. Yes, and in trade unions it is good to unite and run into employers (there is a reason), and when there is a shortage of medicines and water, it is very difficult to be sure that your “brothers in the union” will not decide “anything personal” and will not free you from your supplies. I have been in the states since 1991. He lived in Kansas, and in New York, and in Illinois and in Wisconsin. Well, I didn’t see that the people were in any kind of organizations. unless retirees who do not FIG. The school council is not an "organization" it is a duty and bickering with bureaucrats and parents of scumbags. Church, this is usually a place of communication, and showing they say how "pious" you are. As well as charitable organizations. Masons - yes, it’s another matter, they usually stand for each other, and they don’t differ from Militia in discipline .. Well, Again, those who served in the armed forces are overwhelmingly normal people with concepts. There are only TWO organizations (outside the Army and the police) in which there is a good chance of cohesion: these are either Militias, or any other "semi-legal" organizations, such as WAR, Nordic Brotherhood, or even gangs. Against such organizations, not a single raion will stand. When you enter 100 Gangster Disciples in the suburbs, they will easily take control of a district of more than 50 large populations. Why What is no organization and cohesion. Of course, they are heaped into some kind of farm town - "rednecks" will just smear them there. Clanism, and it is the community. By the way, among blacks, mexes and Asians, racially ethnic loyalty, unfortunately, is MUCH more developed than among average whites. But in Suburbia, or even in a good area in the city, they, if they want, and with the inaction of the police, the National Guard or there organizations like Militia, WAR, Nordic Brotherhood ", will control the population 50 times their number.
  18. Revolver
    Revolver 26 May 2020 02: 26
    +5
    If you are not aware, then the right to own a weapon, including a short-barreled one, is guaranteed by the US Constitution, more precisely, the Second Amendment to it. But if in the states ruled by shitcrats, they look to see if you could have avoided the conflict and escaped (armed with a firearm escaping from a fumble with a baseball club - funny? To me - no), then in more conservative states there is a stand one's ground law. In practice, this means that if you are anywhere (on the street, in a park, in a store, anywhere, and even more so in your own house) on legal grounds, you are not obliged to run away and have the right to self-defense, up to the use of deadly techniques (literally deadly force). And that is why the ability to acquire weapons and ammunition for self-defense is a vital infrastructure.
  19. anjey
    anjey 26 May 2020 04: 33
    +2
    In the USA, the cult of arms, and industrial manufacturers well lobby for their interests in the government, which cannot be said about ours; they have toughened up everything and everything in the civilian arms market, which you don’t want to take for nothing laughing
    1. _Sergei_
      _Sergei_ 26 May 2020 07: 29
      +2
      After two years, the term of retake for an injury will come up and I think I should surrender it and not suffer or lose it.
      1. Alekspel
        Alekspel 26 May 2020 10: 01
        0
        It’s better not to lose, you are tormented by explanatory writing. And about a fun life after self-isolation, we think it is guaranteed to us. There are many migrant workers, most will be left without work. Guess what they do with three times. And it’s useless to call the police, there are no district police officers at all. Law-abiding weapons do not, but they are all with knives. So everything is still to come.
        1. _Sergei_
          _Sergei_ 26 May 2020 10: 34
          0
          Lose nothing to worry, 2000r fine and all.
          1. anjey
            anjey 26 May 2020 13: 43
            +1
            At us, apparently, such laws are a priori composed that it’s sometimes easier to break them than to comply, in short, a solid paradox laughing
    2. Baron pardus
      Baron pardus 29 May 2020 09: 35
      0
      What is lobbying? Common sense. Namely - in the hands of criminals DOFIG illegal trunks. The police CANNOT be everywhere at the same time. The number of scumbags among criminals (and young people who are looking for thrills) rolls over due to a simple banal lack of empathy (competition, selfishness, lack of communication). While the police will be coming to you (15-20 minutes), do you know what a flock of thugs with knives and a machete will do with your family? Even without trunks? Therefore, they are armed. Therefore, be afraid. Therefore, it happens that people knock over a fright .. Well, people came to you on the site in front of the house. It goes towards the house. I didn’t answer your warnings ... Well, you banged him. And then it turns out that the guy messed up the house, headphones in his ears, Mouzon listens, or he is catching Pokemon there, disconnected from reality, he didn’t answer, and he was a blind guy - he’s available. By the way, if you forehead warned and he continues to go - to bang him IN YOUR territory you are fully entitled. There are not one or two precedents. The people are simply FARED. And does not trust each other. By the way, if you talk with older amers, they will tell you that such madness began somewhere in the late 80s. And before that it was MUCH calmer. Even in bad areas.
      1. anjey
        anjey 29 May 2020 17: 41
        0
        What are you? In the USA, everyone is scared. And when in the USSR, apartments were not closed or keys were placed under the carpet laughing The communists could not scare them laughing .
  20. Nikolaich
    Nikolaich 26 May 2020 09: 20
    0
    Quote: bk0010
    I have been hinting to people about the prospects for the production and sales of hunting ATGMs.

    And KORDOV ...)))
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 26 May 2020 10: 11
      +1
      Quote: Nikolaichъ
      Quote: bk0010
      I have been hinting to people about the prospects for the production and sales of hunting ATGMs.

      And KORDOV ...)))

      Nah, machine guns, and even automatic pistols like Stechkin cannot be bought here, at least legally. But a bolt rifle chambered for .50 BMG, aka 12.7 × 99mm NATO, I saw in a gun store. But this is an elephant calf, practically MTP, and it is excessive for an ordinary deer or even a bear hunter, and in America they do not hunt for larger game. Is that to boast "I have more than you." lol
      1. Shopping Mall
        Shopping Mall 28 May 2020 16: 45
        0
        Quote: Nagan
        Quote: Nikolaichъ
        Quote: bk0010
        I have been hinting to people about the prospects for the production and sales of hunting ATGMs.

        And KORDOV ...)))

        Nah, machine guns, and even automatic pistols like Stechkin cannot be bought here, at least legally. But a bolt rifle chambered for .50 BMG, aka 12.7 × 99mm NATO, I saw in a gun store. But this is an elephant calf, practically MTP, and it is excessive for an ordinary deer or even a bear hunter, and in America they do not hunt for larger game. Is that to boast "I have more than you." lol


        There are no problems with rifles in Russia either - only a license is more difficult to obtain, but at least buy SVLK-14S "Twilight" if you have enough money: http://lobaevarms.ru/twilight/

        By the way, the 50th caliber was also going to be certified as a hunting one.
      2. Baron pardus
        Baron pardus 29 May 2020 09: 47
        0
        The practicality of such Anti material rifles, for the civilian, is doubtful. Well, of course, you can only shoot at long distances where you can do it a little. Many people buy these weapons, and among his talk saying that hunting on police helicopters or there to hunt niggers and cars clogged Mex. I personally know a chela in Wisconsin who bought an armored car FERRET (legally), and installed HERE in the tower: 20mm caliber. http://www.anzioironworks.com/MAG-FED-20MM-RIFLE.htm And I also know a bunch of people, in the same Viscansin and Kansas, they are either in Militia, or in the Nordic Brotherhood or something else. who have a lot of interesting things on their farms that their parents bought or brought home until 1984. They have not registered their "toys" anywhere, they lie and wait in the wings. Why are our guys from Iraq and Afghanistan brought in quite an interesting one. And they are still dragging.
  21. Nikolaich
    Nikolaich 26 May 2020 09: 23
    +2
    Quote: _Sergey_
    After two years, the term of retake for an injury will come up and I think I should surrender it and not suffer or lose it.

    Already passed, took the exam, which must be taken in a neighboring city ... after 25 years of using almost all shooting in the sun
  22. Nikolaich
    Nikolaich 26 May 2020 10: 16
    0
    Quote: Nagan
    Nah, machine guns, and even automatic pistols like Stechkin cannot be bought here.

    Well, you can dream)))
  23. qaz
    qaz 26 May 2020 14: 50
    0
    Something in the USA is really scary, especially when everyone has a gun in their pocket. I read here about the crazy in the states, they say almost all of the hospitals were kicked out and they roam the streets. Here it certainly becomes dumb.
    1. Baron pardus
      Baron pardus 29 May 2020 09: 22
      0
      Not everyone has a gun in their pocket. But on his forehead it is NOT WRITTEN what is under his jacket. Reagan has wildly slashed medical expenses for the emotionally and mentally ill. A bunch of hospitals have closed. They released everyone they could. It hasn't gotten any better since then. Moreover, many medical insurance simply do not cover visits to psychologists, and there from 50 per visit and up to 250. And people simply do not have money. Of course, you can go to a social worker. But their qualifications are lower than that of a psychologist. Therefore, it is not difficult to get treatment yourself - with booze, CBD oils, drugs. And they just restrain themselves, not wanting to lose their job. You will lose your job, you will lose HONEY INSURANCE (Cobra is not cheap), you will not find a job in half a year, it’s hard to have. No, you won't die of hunger, but you will lose EVERYTHING. So how many can they hold back. But the thread breaks off (see the selfishness and narcissism of the average American), and you NEVER know when you will send a person away because he pushed you with a cart in a Walmart, and he will poke you with a knife 20 times in response. Not because YOU sent him, but because that he was dripping on his brain for the last 10+ years and you are just that straw on which he fell. Last year, the chela was fired, "nothing personal, we just cut staff to improve productivity", but he is over 50, it is difficult to find a new job, he went to work with a pump-action shotgun and returned - EMNIP 12+ corpses. Not like every day, but it does NOT RARE. For 300 lemons of people, 100 such cases a year is a trifle. But it happens. Or, recently, the roof of a college student was blown off, well, he cost a machete, already 5 corpses, he seems to have not been caught yet. Although, think was a member of the society for ... "Combating cruelty." Somewhere the guy was ripped off the thread - he cut several people with a machete. Stress, a high pace of life, competition, in the absence of communication (that is, LONELY) ... an explosive sweep.
  24. KSVK
    KSVK 26 May 2020 16: 30
    0
    Quote: Nagan
    But this is an elephant, almost PTR:

    PTR caliber 14,5 mm. Like the CPV. wink

    In general, well done USAshniki. Anyway. There is a good principle: Hope for Allah, but tie a camel. laughing

    And this proves once again that NORMAL people live in the USA. And in no case can you identify the entire population with the bl..vom ​​that their ruling elite creates. The same is true for Russia.

    I already regretted that I had not bought myself a kalashoid of any thread. nothing, I think I still have time. And so there are three rifled and two smooth. And cartridges in the form of components for five thousand. bully Fortunately reload officially allowed.
    And as for self-defense and other things, I think that it is better if two lead, than four bear. And no one is safe from a schucher. And 380000 guardsmen will not help. There’s already one ... well, the master, probably, was planning to climb the roof with a machine gun, to shoot people in rebellion. I’ll look at such comrades in good optics, yeah, over the trunk. yes
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 26 May 2020 18: 31
      0
      Quote: KSVK
      PTR caliber 14,5 mm. Like the CPV.

      Google the book "Tank destroyers of the Second World War. Anti-tank weapons of infantry" by Semyon Fedoseev, it says that the PTR under 12.7 were made, but they showed themselves rather weak, so the PTR under 14.5 became massive.
      Quote: KSVK
      one ... well, mister, probably, was going to climb with a machine gun on the roof, people rebel to shoot

      He did not come up with anything new; by this Kerensky was still having fun on the corner of Nevsky and Sadovaya. Maxim (s) was in the attic, or on the roof of the Public Library (s).
      Quote: KSVK
      In general, well done USAshniki. Anyway. There is a good principle: Hope for Allah, but tie a camel.

      good hi drinks
      1. your1970
        your1970 28 May 2020 20: 21
        0
        Quote: Nagan
        He did not come up with anything new; by this Kerensky was still having fun on the corner of Nevsky and Sadovaya. Maxim (s) was in the attic, or on the roof of the Public Library (s).
        - they didn’t find a single one. The mass bike about machine guns in the attics of the February Revolution of 1917 was not confirmed
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 28 May 2020 22: 25
          0
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Июльские_дни
          1. your1970
            your1970 28 May 2020 23: 32
            -1
            The task:
            We have
            1) "an uncontrollable crowd of numbers, according to various estimates, from several tens to five hundred thousand (according to Bolshevik sources) the person moved forward. "
            2) "At the corner of Liteiny Prospect and Panteleimonovskaya Street, a detachment of sailors came under machine-gun fire from the windows of one of the houses;"
            3) "three Kronstadters were killed and more than 10 wounded."

            The answer is - crazy raving.


            Here on this avenue is 10 people (take the minimum !!!), the entire length of the avenue is 000 meters ... you see the width of the avenue ???
            When firing a machine gun from pre-prepared positions along a narrow street in a crowd of from more tens of thousands killed 3 and injured more 10 ???? !!!!
            And now let's remember the stampede at the stadium in Luzhniki (1982), simply because the order of numbers is close, there were 16000. They crushed to death 66 person...
            Now imagine how many the crowd would have trampled - if it really would hit a machine gun??? Moreover each a cartridge in such a crowd would have found a guaranteed victim - if it hadn’t killed it would have crippled, which would lead to guaranteed trampling ....
            There, at least a couple of hundreds would be trampled to death and a thousand others mutilated, except for those whom it would have put in turn ...
            But that's not all ...
            Have you ever seen live machine gun firing? Well, at least in the video? Is it possible miss?
            What we see in the description:
            "The sailors grabbed their rifles and began to indiscriminately shoot in all directions"- ie none of them shooting at the crowd from the window of a machine gun not seen!!!. And this is the most technically competent part of the crowd militarily ..

            Reality
            It was the same as on Maidan 2014 - solitary arrows with rifles or even pistols ...
            That is why such miserable (for even 1 machine gun !!) losses and indiscriminate shooting in all directions .... A single shot from the roof - see where the shooter is sitting ... and if they fired from pistols, the crowd might not even hear the shots. ...
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 28 May 2020 23: 46
              0
              Well, I don’t know, I studied these episodes of history from Soviet textbooks, I don’t remember the details anymore, but I remember the fact that there were machine guns and a photo of Nevsky at the intersection with Sadovaya with corpses. So if something is wrong, there are questions for the author of the history textbook.
              1. your1970
                your1970 29 May 2020 06: 40
                0
                And I'm Soviet ... the problem is that the textbooks did not fit in with the width of the street, the power of the machine gun and the number of victims ....
                There either single shooters or 200-300-500 people walked, no more ...
                The psychosis with machine guns in 1917 was considered by many in memoirs .... in the main mass, all agree that there were no machine guns

                I do not believe on the basis of earlier arguments
                And as for the photo ... I remember it .... you yourself understand, from where at the right moment in the right place are zhurnalyugi .... taking into account the mobility of the then cameras .....
                This is the then "White Helmets" lol repeat and banal decree
  25. NF68
    NF68 27 May 2020 16: 25
    0
    Is small arms the best anti-coronovirus?
  26. Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 30 May 2020 03: 39
    0
    About WHY, if something happens, everyone stocks up on weapons and ammunition. Because they KNOW where they live. See what's happening now. The cops banged the black one. Slightly overdone during the arrest, sent back to the forefathers. TORNED. Not only in the city where it happened, but also in other cities. "Protests", yeah black and other liberal rot (paid for by Soros), "protests" against the police arbitrariness. Yeah, looting shops, setting fire to shops, buildings and cars. This is called "protest against police arbitrariness". Especially electronics, jewelry and alcoholic beverages. Smashing a store, bringing home a TV or computer - to protest against the police arbitrariness. Pulling out the whiskey box and puffing it out is also a protest and also a civic position. More or less like this.

    And, interestingly, the police are of course standing, and NOT INTERFERINGLY watching this. Why not intervene? But because someone should give an order to them INTERFERE and disperse all these Banderlog. And who wants to expose YOUR career? Obviously not the mayor of the city, obviously not the governor, and clearly not the "chief of police" of the city. It is not their property that is robbed and burned, but it is a pity for a career. Will they burn a couple of police cars? So they will raise taxes on those who WORK (and all these "protests" take place during the DAY when NORMAL citizens are working), and they will buy new cars, and they will also arrange a cut with a rollback ... And you will lower the police on this flock, but be it 150 times by law, they will be accused of Racism, Fascism, and a bunch of other -Isms. Therefore, the police are quietly watching. And guys, how are we going tomorrow and getting ready, so that if something happens to be ready. And by the way, after you have been accused so many times of all sorts of isms, you begin to feel like Mowgli "You called me a man so many times that I myself felt the truth of these words." We have been called so many times Nazis, fascists, communists (and communists too), racists, totalitarians, fans of the Confederates that we are already beginning to sympathize with them all.
  27. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 30 May 2020 19: 38
    0
    Quote: knn54
    You can still understand, but the presence in the Russian list of the bookmaker is, to put it mildlyperplexity.


    Yes, there shook hands guys, but they can not be called:
    "The owner who cannot be named: who is behind the bookmaker's office "Fonbet""
    http://www.compromat.ru/page_41196.htm