The head of the CEC of the Russian Federation spoke about remote voting on amendments to the Constitution

Recently, the discussion of the issue of innovation in Russia related to the so-called remote voting is gaining activity. Earlier, the Russian president signed his amendments to the law, providing for electronic voting during elections at all levels. Additionally, we are talking about the alleged possibility of voting "by mail".

This question, for obvious reasons, worries many Russians. A special issue in this situation is the control of this kind of voting, including by observers.

In the publication "RG" came out interview with the head of the CEC, Ella Pamfilova, who provided some clarifications on innovations in the system of conducting elections in Russia.

Ella Pamfilova said that crises are manifesting themselves in the world, including a pandemic, which cannot be ignored. According to the head of the CEC, “the world can expect a new normality”, which will have to “adapt”.

Pamfilova notes that the new voting option will allow voters registered on the public services website to vote in elections of one level or another without leaving their own home - without visiting a polling station. Ella Pamfilova said that this option of voting will facilitate the work of the election commissions, "which can increase the speed of processing ballots."

Pamfilova noted that remote voting will be applied in the course of expression of will on amendments to the Constitution. According to the head of the Central Election Commission, it is not possible to distribute such an option for voting throughout the country - it will be implemented in three or four regions of the country. At the same time, to conduct a remote vote, this should be announced first of all by regional authorities.

Recall that so far there is no data on a specific date for voting on amendments to the Constitution. Initially, the vote was scheduled for April 22.

And earlier, Ms. Pamfilova said that only the president took the initiative to nevertheless ask the people about his opinion on these amendments. At the same time, the head of the CEC noted that the Russian parliament and regional legislative assemblies had already adopted the changes. The promise that the people could have not been asked ...

Interesting phrase:

His (the president's) will and desire is to hear the opinion of the people not stipulated by the current Constitution ... additionally. He went for it, and it is worthy of great respect.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

Once launched and will work this voting method, phrase fair elections can be forgotten ...

[U-58]

Your opinion: a rather shameful characteristic of power.
Support.

[Stas157]

. Interesting phrase:

His (president's) will and desire - hear the opinion of the people not provided for in the current Constitution... additionally. He went for it, and it is worthy of great respect.

Ella Pamfilova foolishly makes it clear (substituting the chef) that Putin did not want to hear the opinion of the people before, and then he suddenly wanted to, moreover, contrary to the Constitution, and therefore this is worthy of great respect.

But reality looks very different. The impudent tsar tailors the Constitution for himself while "forgetting" about the national referendum.

And he doesn’t give a damn about some opinion, about some people there. The main thing is that it be formally fixed that this is supposedly a popular solution - asked to reset.

[seregatara1969]

Sometimes it’s blurt out from the rostrum - they say nothing at all about the consequences

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: seregatara1969

Sometimes it’s blurt out from the rostrum - they say nothing at all about the consequences

“After all, you're lying, you're lying, and you inadvertently lie the truth!” S. Ya. Marshak

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Lannan Shi

lie the truth!

Aizik Asimov has a story called "Elections" ... They found an average American in the United States and he elected a president ... Modestly and tastefully. We are also coming to this - Pamfilova will choose!

[Starover_Z]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Aizik Asimov has a story called "Elections" ... They found an average American in the United States and he elected a president ... Modestly and tastefully. We are also heading for this - Pamfilova will choose

Why not Tereshkova?

[Uncle lee]

She has another duty - zeroing!
PS And I used to respect her as a courageous woman, the first astronaut ...

[Blanket]

Moreover, it seems like he didn’t choose it himself, the smart machine tested it and appointed the president.

[Uncle lee]

And then Norman felt pride. Incredible pride. He was proud of himself.

In this imperfect world, the sovereign citizens of the world's first and greatest E-Democracy, through Norman Muller (yes, through him!), Again exercised their free, unlimited right to choose their government!
A. Azimov.

[adler87]

Yes, they already do not care about anything, and the opinion of the people. Their confidence in their innocence has no limit.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Stas157

Ella Pamfilova stupidly makes it clear ...,

As for me, so Ella Pamfilova does not understand much by herself, but being a conscientious performer, devoid of any principles, she is always at work and in office.

[Roman123567]

Ella Pamfilova foolishly makes it clear (substituting the chef) that Putin did not want to hear the opinion of the people before, and then he suddenly wanted to, moreover, contrary to the Constitution, and therefore this is worthy of great respect.

Everything is said there quite thoughtfully, and not out of stupidity ..
The author of the article clearly highlighted this ..

At the same time, the head of the CEC noted that the Russian parliament and regional legislative assemblies had already adopted the changes. The promise that the people could already have not been asked ...

First, some State Council .. then amendments .. referendum .. virus .. Then remote voting .. and in the end, the abolition of all this "as unnecessary" ..
It’s important to bury people’s head, and most importantly, to get used to it all
If Putin immediately declared that he was proclaiming himself king without any referenda or anything else, the people would make a noise .. And now everyone has got tired of this comedy for half a year, everyone has come to terms that it will be the same anyway ... no one seriously perceives .. it will be with the appearance or by mail .. or it will not be at all ..
The people accustomed during this period to the fact that Putin will remain in power and will do what he wants (they said to stay at home without work - it means to sit .. they said masks to everyone to buy - it means to buy .. they said a fine to pay means to pay) ..
They said that he would continue to sit in power - that means he would sit ..
And the point ..

[Machito]

It is time for our honest 146 percent electoral commission to think about the next post-electronic stage of vote counting - the telepathic one. Put Kashpirovsky in the Central Election Commission, and he will voice how people in their kitchens in their minds voted. At the same time, all election commissions can be optimized and zeroed. Or maybe at Panfilova herself suddenly a telepathic gift will open? Then, in general, no one is needed in the election commissions except her. And her salary of one million per hour, as a particularly valuable employee.

[saigon]

Oh Stas, you’re wrong, you need a vote, oh how you need to feel human love!
The aspect, so to speak, is moral, for the statement itself and the environment, you can poke the hell out of it if that, the people for me.

[flicker]

The impudent tsar tailors the Constitution for himself while "forgetting" about the national referendum.

Troll or do not understand anything?

reality looks very different.

If the boyars (using your slang) have already supported, then why does he (the king) need the opinion of the people?
Once again: why does he need the opinion of the people?
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And again (!) For the gifted: why does he need the opinion of the people?

[awdrgy]

I agree. It makes you think. Think hard.

[knn54]

I wonder if it is possible to get a job as a janitor in the Kremlin ... remotely?

[Svarog]

Quote: knn54

I wonder if it is possible to get a job as a janitor in the Kremlin ... remotely?

You can, if you were engaged in judo with a "guarantor" .. moreover, salary in lard dollars will be charged

[tihonmarine]

Quote: knn54

I wonder if it is possible to get a job as a janitor in the Kremlin ... remotely?

Everywhere places wipers are occupied, and about the Kremlin, and even more so.

[alone]

Quote: knn54

I wonder if it is possible to get a job as a janitor in the Kremlin ... remotely?

You are late ... Dvorkovich got there .. About 20 years ago ... And the surname somehow fits

[private person]

Your opinion: a rather shameful characteristic of power.

But when the Americans published that the GDP rating was only 27%, "the entire court suite" raised a howl that this was all the intrigues of enemies, and the rating was <68%. And now there is also remote voting, people have already stopped believing in "fair voting".

[alone]

Quote: private person

people have already stopped believing in "fair voting".

And where did you see when that honest vote?

[U-58]

But the Americans, perhaps, were not mistaken.
It is clear that power is based on a very specific electorate.
And its in the country 25-28%.
That is, the rating cannot be lower.
For these are people who are completely satisfied with the existing situation, which allows them to live comfortably and carefree.

[Revival]

Yes, usually about 20/30% of the loyalist core of any government.
Someone is pleased to cash in on others, but there are also those who serve any authority, regardless of their personal situation, such at least demons will be supported if those in power

[Sling cutter]

Quote: U-58

It is clear that power is based on a very specific electorate.
And its in the country 25-28%.

There cannot be 25-28% of firefighters and car drivers in the country.

[unaha]

Such a miracle: "fair elections" has not been remembered for a long time.
"to hear the opinion of the people not provided for by the current Constitution ... additionally", and in general, apparently in the future, "the opinion of the people not provided for by the current Constitution" we will recall in principle in the past tense.

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

As soon as this method of voting is launched and worked out, the phrase honest elections can be forgotten ...

This is a moot point, but there is doubt ...
Rђ RІRѕS,

A special issue in this situation is the control of this kind of voting, including by observers.

For me, it is more interesting HOW the "mystery of voting" can be preserved with such a vote? Here it is not difficult to establish who and what voted for, and that means it is possible to take measures against the "dissent" ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

For me, it’s more interesting HOW the "mystery of voting" can be preserved with such a vote?

This is not a sacrament, but an open book, as if denunciation had been scribbled upon himself.

[carnifexx]

Yes, no mystery, and even scope for falsification. For them, it is win win.

[Pilot]

Now Putin can put any successor to the polls, even if Chubais won ... And you see, the red-haired pharmacist wins such elections. Ooh, vile swamp, censorship words are already missing ..

[carnifexx]

Well, he had already appointed his guards to Rosguard and the governors, so here it seems to me that there’s nowhere below, but as usual it’s knocked from below ...

[Simon schempp]

HOW can the "mystery of voting" be preserved with such a vote? Here it is not difficult to establish who and what voted for, but it means and possibly to take measures against the "dissent" ...

Yes, quit. Normal people will not vote via the Internet. And those who vote for Putin have nothing to fear.

[NDR-791]

Why not? That will leave only such an option and you will not get anywhere. Another thing is that then they will not vote at all. So they need it.

[Revival]

And if they say that they voted via the Internet, that's all

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: svp67

HOW can the "sacrament of voting" be preserved in such a vote?

Honestly, I do not understand the secret voting institution itself.
After all, voting is not just a tick in the ballot. This is the announcement of citizenship, certain beliefs of a citizen. Well, if you consider yourself a citizen who has convictions, then have the courage to state them openly and accept responsibility for the possible consequences of such a statement. And not like now, cowardly hiding behind a curtain, ticking or writing a swear word in an anonymous piece of paper.
In general, the ideal option for voting is at a general meeting by show of hands when everyone sees who is for, who is against, who has abstained, and which is hiding in the outhouse, because he is afraid to vote, as described by Mayakovsky in the play Klop. By the way, in the same play where the action takes place in 1979, the “voting apparatus” is described, which provides universal vowel nationwide expression of will. As you can see, they are 40 years late.

[for]

Honestly, I do not understand the secret voting institution itself.

I totally agree with you so that you can see the number of those who voted for a certain candidate, and when secretly it remains a secret in spite of; HONEST "counting. A secret is an intrigue, and an intrigue is a lie.

[Moore]

Quote: svp67

For me, it’s more interesting HOW the "mystery of voting" can be preserved with such a vote?

The secret of voting can be declared, for example, a principle that has lost its relevance within the framework of the "new normalcy" (the words of this Chuchundra).
Put the question in this way: what is more important - to preserve the very opportunity to vote in the era of the "most severe pandemic" (you can think of something else), or to lose it because of some old conventions?

[sniperino]

Quote: svp67

The voting principles themselves are crumbling

Maybe the principles need to be changed? In classical democracies, there was no anonymity. What is she for? Those who are primarily concerned about their personal safety and anonymity should better not go into politics at all, and there they will quietly row for themselves. Let them place their campaigns here, but nobody will force them to vote for them.

[Far B]

It would have been forgotten long ago. And Ellochka also scored. She has a new normality. New normal. A disgrace. Heh!

[Bar1]

she walked her cheeks like a hamster in a pea field, you look soon to the ground sag.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

From pea let it be from Tsikovsky .

[Fitter65]

will allow voters registered on the public services website to vote in elections of one level or another without leaving their own home - without visiting a polling station.

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

As soon as this method of voting is launched and worked out, the phrase honest elections can be forgotten ...

Yes, it's kind of worked out, I experienced it myself. Last year, at first my accounts were arrested, then the truth is, when within two weeks I nevertheless proved with copies of documents that this is my namesake, born in another city, 18 years later than me, living in another region, my accounts were "released". BUT!!! Cherry on the cake! On the website of the State Service, this debt has been displayed for me for almost six months, and for some reason it was tied to my SNILS. This is the case with remote voting, the main thing is that you are, and how will you vote (or have you already voted?) You don't have to worry ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: Fitter65

On the website of the State Service for me, this debt has been highlighted for almost half a year already, and for some reason it has been tied to my SNILS.

This is the so-called digitalization !!! Then it will not be so with her!
The government with the digitalizer Gref, as they say, lives on the "OTHER" planet!

[Tatyana]

Quote: Tatiana

This is the so-called digitalization !!! With her, then it will not be like that! The government with the digitalizer Gref, as they say, lives on the "OTHER" planet!

Starting July 1, the recently adopted Digital Law on Artificial Intelligence will be launched in Moscow.
What does it carry?
This and much more is told by the writer, expert on artificial intelligence Igor Shnurenko.

From July 1, everything will change. The whole point of the Artificial Intelligence Law • May 23, 2020

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Fitter65

BUT!!! Cherry on the cake! On the website of the State Service for me, this debt has been highlighted for almost half a year already, and for some reason it has been tied to my SNILS.

Did you doubt that the "electronic concentration camp" does not exist?

[Fitter65]

Quote: tihonmarine

Did you doubt that the "electronic concentration camp" does not exist?

What are you talking about?

[Pereira]

This is for our imminent future.

[Vadim237]

And you know this well, even if neural networks and AI are connected to this system, it’s almost impossible to steal and engage in fraud, it’s almost impossible to steal and carry out all illicit business in a country with a full report on federal spending on taxes simplifying the search for tax evaders left IP addresses SIM cards will not help everything and everywhere will be under a cap any swindle will be stopped in the bud - from the impossibility of its implementation.

[sniperino]

Quote: Vadim237

any swindle will be stopped in the bud

This is what many camouflaged with red banners on avatars, or those for whom they work, are afraid of. Voting is not forced. Slaves are dumb.

[Revival]

I think this is what, for example, they tied someone else's debt to you and hangs and they don’t take it all away, then you look and they will tie it on the wanted list and so on.

[Vadim237]

Linking other people's debts will become the same impossible since the whole system will be complex - when who where where according to what documents and to the camera the database on the basis of the Blockchain principle will not collapse the system and the data will be deleted the same.

[Revival]

And for those who manage the system to those who are objectionable, will it be impossible?
Yeah, yeah ...

[Svarog]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

the phrase fair elections can be forgotten ...

Even now they are not honest, but with electronic voting they will generally draw whatever they want. Look at the ads, vote they say for the new Constitution, which would deprive officials of dual citizenship. And officials are against and this topic was removed from the agenda, and advertising continues to twist. The amount of lies surpasses.

[Insurgent]

The head of the CEC of the Russian Federation spoke about remote voting on amendments to the Constitution

The President of Russia signed the amendments to the law providing for electronic voting during elections of all levels. Additionally, we are talking about the alleged possibility of voting "by mail"

Do they want to push through "zeroing" in any way, or is there no talk about this step, which is extremely negatively perceived by the society?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Svarog

Look at the ads, vote they say for the new Constitution, which would deprive officials of dual citizenship.

It’s just that advertisers don’t have time to follow the actions of officials, these boys in mild pants are very dodgy, and they will devour anyone for their privileges.

[flicker]

advertising is being played, vote that the new Constitution is supposed to deprive officials of dual citizenship. And officials are against and this topic was removed from the agenda, and advertising continues to twist.

Similar things indicate a conflict of interest.
To resolve this conflict, you need to know the opinion of the people on the amendments.
The conflict escalated due to amendments, strengthening Russia's sovereignty from the influence of the West.
The prowestern part of the Russian elite (including some of the officials) desperately resists the adoption of these amendments, because the adoption of the amendments will worsen their position in the west. This elite is trying to reduce all amendments solely to "zeroing out", hanging all the shoals on the president and actively financing destructive processes in the country.
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Z.Y. To fight this pro-Western elite, the president wants to get the support of the population through amendments, then he will be able to deploy the country's course without strong shocks.
In any case, the country will change the pro-Western course, the only question is how painlessly this will happen.
If the people support the amendments, we will turn around almost painlessly.

[Svarog]

Quote: flicker

The pro-Western part of the Russian elite (including some officials) are desperately resisting

And who prevented recruiting not pro-Western officials, but oriented towards the development of Russia? Wasn't it possible in 20 years to resolve the issue? With Hodor, the question was quickly resolved ... So blaming bad boyars is no longer possible. What kind of pop is such a parish.

[flicker]

Wasn't it possible in 20 years to resolve the issue? Hodor quickly resolved the issue ...

Probably it was possible, but for this, Stalin should have been in power, not Putin.
How did Stalin respond to Fadeev, who complained about the writers? So it is here.
Alas, there is no second Stalin.
When Putin said that he never thought he would become head of state, he did not dissemble. He did not prepare himself for this work, so he makes decisions very carefully, when everything is obvious, somewhere it helped him and us to avoid shocks. Somewhere late.
Another thing, Stalin. As a young man, he thought of a fair way of life. He was glowing with a desire to change life, to make it more fair. I prepared myself for this, read a lot, organized circles, talked with like-minded people, etc. etc.
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In addition, Stalin had a party of Bolsheviks. Putin did not have such a party. Putin had oligarchs (whose total income exceeded (!) The state budget, plus thievish officials and exhausted people.
Who should he rely on to save the country?
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For 20 years everyone has been waiting for us to turn around from entering the west. Now such a chance has appeared, for this they have amended the Constitution. But even now, this U-turn came up against frenzied resistance, including here in VO.
The pro-Western elite generously sponsors bloggers and online media to impose amended negative content.
And now, after 20 years. And how could this decision be made 20 years ago?

[Svarog]

He did not prepare himself for this work, so he makes decisions very carefully,

Again, the question of time arises, he did not prepare himself for work, but he remade the Constitution for himself and in twenty it was possible to prepare everything. 20 years is a whole generation!

Somewhere late

Everywhere late ..

In addition, Stalin had a party of Bolsheviks. Putin didn’t have such a party

Putin has edro ... and there was tremendous support, especially before the pension reform .. And what, where is the result?

But even now, this U-turn came up against frenzied resistance, including here in VO

Yes, how much you can blame the West and enemies already .. You need to look for enemies in your environment, fish rot from your head .. He created this whole corruption vertical .. And a bunch of loafers and crooks become billionaires when people grow poor with poverty ..
Here in VO, just a fairly large part of healthy people who know how to analyze and do not believe words, but look at business. But things say that failure everywhere ... where not to spit ..

[flicker]

20 years is a whole generation!

For some reason, I’m sure that in 20 years you would have created a much better state: you would rearm the army, restore agriculture, defeat corruption, bend geldings, create exemplary health care and education.

Putin has edro ... and there was tremendous support,

"edro" with a small letter, so they themselves answered.
"Colossal support", in the sense that the ballot was thrown into the ballot box? And there was no more strength.

Here in VO, just a fairly large part of healthy people who know how to analyze and do not believe words, but look at business.

I am not funny from your conclusions, I appreciate human qualities in people, even if they are poorly analyzed, but ..
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... BUT I know such people (who are both intellectually and intellectually capable of analyzing synthesis, but despise people) who simply laugh at such people (who, as it seems to them, can analyze and believe in deeds and not words).
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On the Maidan, they also believed that they analyze well that they are leading the great history of Ukraine.
As a result, the leaders of the great history of Ukraine gouged their country, and someone looks at them and laughs.
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Also Arabs in Libya, Arabs in Syria. A bunch of examples - that's just nobody teaches anything. For nevertheless they know how to analyze.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: flicker

For 20 years everyone has been waiting for us to turn around from entering the west. Now such a chance has appeared, for this they have amended the Constitution. But even now, this U-turn came up against frenzied resistance, including here in VO.

They waited 20 years, and now people are waiting for a more independent policy of Russia from the West, especially in the financial and economic direction, so that our under-economists would stop listening to and implement the recommendations of the IMF and really start developing their economy, and not imitating this work. And, as it were, some moments are ripe that need to be corrected in the Constitution. However, the people are worried because after they were repeatedly thrown, even within the framework of one pension reform, where, in addition to increasing the age, the authorities no longer fulfilled any promises, neither in terms of the declared increase in cash payments, nor in terms of guaranteed provision of pre-retirees with jobs. Now the authorities are talking about remote voting, but the people have diminished faith and they ask themselves the question - "What, wait out the pandemic for a month or two and vote as guaranteed by the Constitution, having given their civic duty personally participating in blotting out the ballot? 20 years have been waiting, and For a couple of months, they definitely don't make the weather. You will probably be surprised, but 25% of our population do not have the Internet, and therefore they will drop out of the vote, and therefore their constitutional right has been violated. What will you order to do with the same reindeer breeders? voting can be monitored? No paper carriers and protocols with live signatures, and therefore no personal responsibility.Electronic signature is a hat with which swindlers indulge in the same banks and take off the babos of law-abiding citizens, while banks tell the victims - slap in court , prove that we are not in business here, but here the whole base is closed to the CEC, which will send it even further. So for now, according to Stanislavsky - "N I do not believe! "

[sniperino]

Quote: Nyrobsky

therefore people are worried

You will forgive, but when someone passes off their excitement as the people, I immediately remember the anecdote about the eagle. He flies, and half of the worm crawls out of the backside, asks the eagle: "Chief, at what altitude are we flying?" Eagle: "5000 meters". Worm: "Come on, don't do it, otherwise the people are worried!"

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: sniperino

I remember the anecdote about the eagle. He flies, and half of the worm crawls out of the backside, asks the eagle: "Chief, at what altitude are we flying?" Eagle: "5000 meters". Worm: "Come on, don't do it, otherwise the people are worried!"

Damn! So Pamfilova turns out to talk about the problems of epizootics in ornithology, but I didn’t read like that in my old age! Well, call me if that. And in your luggage, in addition to worms, are there any more worthy associations associated with the people?

Quote: sniperino

Forgive me, but when someone gives out his excitement for the people,

As a matter of fact, I answered my colleague "flicker" who wrote the comment referring to the people in a 20-year wait. So no one gives out his opinion as a national one, but the people are mentioned due to the fact that the whole idea of ​​"remote control and remote control" revolves around him (the people). Unless, of course, you look at the people as something real and physically existing. And if you look at the people as something impersonal and in the mass virtual-remote, then yes, why mention it, if this is just a definition that can be digitized, encoded, assigned codes by class and divided into castes.

[sniperino]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Recalling a 20-year-old people

The quote would be more convincing, but there would have to take two different sentences from different paragraphs, between which, to enhance their semantic breakdown, there is a dividing line

Putin had oligarchs (whose total income exceeded (!) The state budget, plus thievish officials and exhausted people.

Here I see a characterization of the situation (= poor living and spending all his energy on food and communal services), but not speaking on behalf of the people. AND

20 years everyone has been waitingwhen we turn around from entering the west.

It is warmer here, but "everything" is not yet catchy, more like a hyperbole, and not like speaking on behalf of the people. You began to use the word "people" in a specially constructed context of hostile confrontation between the people and the authorities ("repeatedly thrown"), and the phrase already looks like a speech at a rally on behalf of the people, but not as a description of the situation in broad strokes:

However, the people are worried because, after being thrown repeatedly, even within the framework of a single pension reform, where, in addition to increasing the age, the government no longer fulfilled a single promise, neither in terms of the declared increase in cash payments, nor in terms of guaranteed provision of pre-pensioners with jobs.

But even here I did not see any malicious intent, therefore, just in case, before the joke I apologized. Perhaps in vain. You began to ascribe to someone views on the people

as something faceless and largely virtual remote

It is assumed that your people are very personal and really close. A worm is not at all faceless and virtually remote, and it is not at all about the people. If the anecdote carried the metaphor not about the eagle, but about the white cranes, the leader would personify power, the wedge of cranes would represent the people, and everyone could have their worms (cockroaches in their heads), but the leader’s angry accusations of worms on behalf of the flock in flight in a dangerous area - it's overkill. So I remembered the joke about the eagle.
By the way, about "their worms". Have you been "thrown" by your old age with a pension? Then it's not such a respectable age. You couldn't find a job before the epidemic? There is a feeling that you are not even about your worms, but from hearsay on behalf of the people accuse the leader of this. I hope the Siberian Crane metaphor does not seem so offensive to you.

[Nyrobsky]

Florid but interesting I won’t understand one thing, how can a discussion be held about what is being discussed in a topic without mentioning the people? You have no complaints about E. Pamfilova, but here you are, for two days of correspondence ...

And earlier, Ms. Pamfilova stated that only the president took the initiative to still ask the people about his opinion regarding these amendments.

Quote: sniperino

Have you been "thrown" by your old age with a pension? Then this is not such a venerable age.

Imagine yes, they were thrown, like all military pensioners, by setting a reduction coefficient, as a result of which each pensioner during the period of the reduction coefficient, on average, did not receive 20% of the deserved pension. If we equate all the military in pension at 20 thousand, then since 2012 each military pensioner has not been paid 384 thousand rubles, i.e. annually minus 32 thousand rubles. At the same time, the annual increase in the "reduction coefficient" by 2% promised by the Medvedev government is also postponed annually, and the pension "stub" itself is simply increased by the inflation rate. By the way, no one promised to compensate for these losses, and in fact this is a "gift" to the government.

Quote: sniperino

You could not find work before the epidemic?

No, I couldn’t. This is just one of the schools of pension reformers that did not provide conditions that exclude age discrimination when applying for a job, when the employer cuts off applicants from 40 years and above.

Quote: sniperino

There is a feeling that you are not even talking about your worms, but accusing the leader of other people's words on behalf of the people.

In my opinion the topic of worms, this is generally your topic. These glistening eagles with Siberian Cranes have been given to you when there is so much beauty in the world. Engage in geology, the stones are beautiful there.

[flicker]

Now the authorities are talking about remote voting, but the faith has diminished among the people

I understand that I’m not the power, I’m the same part of the people as the rest, with the same problems.
But it’s not about power, but about the country. If now we start someone in the forest who is for firewood, then we will get Ukraine number 2.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: flicker

Now the authorities are talking about remote voting, but the faith has diminished among the people

I understand that I’m not the power, I’m the same part of the people as the rest, with the same problems.
Here only it’s not about power, but about the country. If now we start someone in the forest who is for firewood, then we will get Ukraine number 2.

Yes, it’s clear that it’s not about firewood, but about the country. Strictly speaking, no one is calling for a revolution. There is simply a fear in the sense that if voting is now rolled back "at a distance", then the same can stir up in the upcoming elections to the State Duma in 2021, and the people, i.e. voters (some people don't like the fact that people are mentioned) will definitely not be able to reverse the situation with the receipt of the majority of the Duma mandates by representatives of the edra, and therefore, for the next 4 years, the Duma will, as before, adopt laws that infringe on the interests of the majority of Russians. The pandemic version, this is only a version, the essence is in the development of technology for remote electronic voting.

[flicker]

and therefore, for the next 4 years, the Duma will continue to pass laws that prejudice the interests of most Russians.

There are always fears, most have received edro all these years, and with ordinary voting (hello to the governors from edra)
Can and with electronic.
The electronic voting only cuts off the important Duma vote (from manipulating it) of the governors - and this will greatly change the political landscape.
Previously, the governor ensured edra’s victory, and later, as a bonus, received immunity, and with it permissiveness, this will disappear with electronic voting.
So it will be forced to seek support among the population of the region.
At the very least, this is not excluded.

[sniperino]

Quote: flicker

And how could this decision be made 20 years ago?

It is surprising that participants with communist and Russophile symbols on avatars, as it were, do not understand this. It would seem that one point about the sovereignty of our right could shake the most persistent ... But no! The leapfrogs of presidents, anonymity and other liberal goods require guarantees, and without them nothing.

[flicker]

It is surprising that participants with communist and Russophile symbols on avatars, as it were, do not understand this. It would seem that one point about the sovereignty of our right could shake the most persistent ... But no!

That is yes. The impression that the anti-state flock was fed for a long time here, those who were of a different opinion, were minuscated and bombarded with empty comments, they left this site.
A provocative article appears, in fact, somewhere at 5-00, at 5-05, the comments already denouncing power with a bunch of pluses, followed by the same ones - a trend is being set.
I thought it was not too lazy, the number of commentators was about 30, for which the koment had more than 50 pluses.
Well, maybe someone went in plus and did not comment.

[AUL]

Quote: flicker

The conflict escalated due to amendments, strengthening Russia's sovereignty from the influence of the West.

Nikolai, do you seriously think forum users are idiots? Or are you just trying to take the conversation aside? The conflict is due to zeroing! Well, plus if they remove the amendment on real estate over the hill for public servants. The rest of the amendments are either useful or purely declarative.
Well, of course, you will get your pluses from the "support group". But, honestly, it's a shame even to read such statements!

[reader65]

There is no amendment on real estate abroad.

[Vadim237]

There is such a law - but they do not comply with it, and if it is prescribed in the constitution, then nobody will comply with it.

[Revival]

About real estate for a long time quietly removed

[flicker]

Do you seriously think forum users are idiots?

In general, I do not give such characteristics to people.

[sniperino]

Quote from AUL

Quote: flicker

The conflict escalated due to amendments, strengthening Russia's sovereignty from the influence of the West.

Nikolai, do you seriously think forum users are idiots? Or are you just trying to take the conversation aside? The conflict is due to zeroing!

First, it does not happen, but continues. Here, initially, many had an attitude against the "amendments before the elections", now they have found a "more decent" reason. And how much dirt has been poured on V. Tereshkova, who obviously loves her homeland and understands that a change in the president can weaken, if not destroy, the vertical of power created by Putin for 20 years, which allows ruling the country even in conditions of an economic and political-informational attack on Russia for her a turn towards sovereignty and the willingness of the "partners" to tear it apart as soon as it gives slack. Secondly, I do not know how among the members of the forum, but among the people the percentage of idiots is within the normal range, and I hope it will not stand out during the voting.

[Snail N9]

Our elections have always been very "fair". I found the violations of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee minimal and there is no reason to doubt the "veracity" of their "results":

[flicker]

Our elections have always been very "fair".

We have it in Ukraine.
Well done, you saw a stack.
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A trident on the urn why not see?

[sniperino]

Quote: flicker

A trident on the urn why not see?

The soup burned ...

[forester1971]

This is a photo from which elections? There is a sign in the form of a trident on the ballot box. Before uploading a photo, at least looked. After such "proofs", you can no longer continue talking about thousands of videos on the Internet, and so on.

[Vadim237]

Sir - yes you are pure zvizdabol also icteric.

[Altona]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

As soon as this method of voting is launched and worked out, the phrase honest elections can be forgotten ...

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Since I understood that the "elections" were in fact canceled, only "voting" was left. All who are not allowed are not subjects of the process, and only the authorities rule the process. It turns out that the authorities re-elect themselves, turning the process into an unnecessary and dangerous ritual.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Altona

Since I understood that the "elections" were in fact canceled, only "voting" was left.

And in this they are helped by "Covid-19".

[Catfish]

... fair elections can be forgotten ...

Yes, they did not differ much in honesty before, but now the authorities are completely insolent, they believe that the people will gobble up everything, that they will not palm off it.
And the pandemic here somehow happened by the way, I don’t want to say anything, but when it comes to power in the country, I don’t really believe in coincidence.

[Revival]

Do you think it will not gobble up?
Something I very much doubt, unfortunately ..

[Catfish]

You know, Sergey, I also don’t really hope for the best, and unfortunately too. The people of any country without a leader you know what, but there is no leader, there is Putin. But people always want to think better than they are (I'm not talking about Putin).

[PN]

As for honesty, this is of course all philosophy remaining on the conscience of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee. But personally, I have a suggestion: a person enters public services, votes, his voice is automatically assigned a generated number. Then he can go to the All-Russian Central Executive Committee website, enter this number and compare whether his vote is correctly counted. It turns out there is a check and there is no name of the voter, and so everyone can check ...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

The vote will be counted correctly, just the totals will not correspond to them - and that’s it. You can only check your voice, and not everyone else

[flicker]

just the totals will not match them

But in ordinary voting, didn’t such problems exist?
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Moreover, already at the regional level.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Of course they did. And in E, the proposal will not change anything

[flicker]

in E, the proposal will not change anything

Actually it will.
Instead of a person, the "robot" (program) will count.
---
The possibility of manipulation remains, of course, but the opportunity for falsification of regional officials will be thoroughly curtailed, and through this his (regional official) untouchability (provided the desired result - remained the governor, remained the governor - you can spread rot further).
---

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

You understand one thing - if the authorities were interested in fair elections, we would have them. And so you don’t even have to bother with the motivation of the regionals. The program will count :))))

[flicker]

You understand one thing - if the authorities were interested in fair elections, we would have them

a) Power is not homogeneous - it is an axiom.
If two officials think only about their own profit, then a conflict between them is almost inevitable. Example: relations between mayors and governors.
To win this conflict, the parties are looking for support: either from an official of a higher rank, or they turn to the people.
Conclusion: talking about power as one person (like, the government does not want to) is a mistake that prevents people from somehow influencing their lives.
And that means:
b) some part of the government is interested in fair elections, at least in the framework of the struggle with another part of the government.
---
What is happening now.
Between two parts of power (conditionally: one oriented to the west, the other -
national) conflict escalated.
Pro-Western Amendment, National Amendment.
Each in the struggle with the other is trying to get the support of the people.
---
And we can observe this struggle here on the VO forum. It is this struggle that is reflected in the nature of the articles and in its discussions.
---
In fact, the question is whether they should continue to remain under the influence of the West or still become a sovereign state.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: flicker

Power is not homogeneous - it is an axiom.

It depends on what is meant by heterogeneity

Quote: flicker

If two officials think only about their own profit, then a conflict between them is almost inevitable. Example: relations between mayors and governors.

Bad example.

Quote: flicker

To win this conflict, the parties are looking for support: either from an official of a higher rank, or they turn to the people.

Neither one nor the other.
The mayor and the governor will always have an overlapping area of ​​interest - they need to find a compromise. Often this compromise is achieved by the fact that the governor puts his puppet in the mayor's chair (an example of Chelyabinsk - Dubrovsky / Teftelev). Or the mayor simply bends over ... It is useless to turn to the "official above", because Putin personally coordinates the candidacies of governors, and it is all the more useless to appeal to the people.

Quote: flicker

And that means:
b) some part of the government is interested in fair elections, at least in the framework of the struggle with another part of the government.

You see, what a deal. Here I am, say, the mayor. You are the new candidate for governor and I do not like you. But your candidacy is agreed upon by the president. And if I try to arrange fair elections, I will openly speak out against you, which you will not forgive me when you take your chair. And if by some miracle I can still knock you down at the elections, it turns out that I crossed the road myself and I will live in politics for about a month and a half from strength :))))

Quote: flicker

What is happening now.
Between two parts of power (conditionally: one oriented to the west, the other -
national) conflict escalated.
Pro-Western Amendment, National Amendment.

You are mistaken. This is pro-Western - for amendments, national - against

[flicker]

Neither one nor the other.
The mayor and the governor will always have an overlapping zone of interests - they need to find a compromise.

The following is your example of a compromise:

Often this compromise is achieved by the fact that the governor puts his puppet in the mayor’s chair (an example of Chelyabinsk - Dubrovsky / Teftelev). Or the mayor just bends ...

A good compromise, "sits in the mayor's chair ...", already suggests that he removed someone.
Or the mayor "caved in" - caved in means conceded, already indicates a clash of interests. The question is: how long will it stay in the flexed state?
The mayor will always wait for a case (or even cause this case) to unbend.

Here I am, say, the mayor. You are the new candidate for governor and I do not like you. But your candidacy is agreed upon by the president. And if I try to arrange fair elections, I will openly oppose you, which you will not forgive me when you take your chair

All right. That’s why (the governor is supported from above), you won’t speak openly (officially you will support him in words), but quietly charge local bloggers, the market director (so that he can hear among the traders) that the new governor is a bribe-taker, the secretary crawls under his skirt , the daughter studies abroad, the son otmazyv from criminal punishment, the wife goes to Maybach, has a rest on Miami, etc. etc.
In short, insert your hairpin.
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There are many cases when the regional elite devoured the governor who was let down from above.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: flicker

Good compromise

Which is already :)))

Quote: flicker

The mayor will always wait for a case (or even cause this case) to unbend.

If he is not a governor, then yes

Quote: flicker

In short, insert your hairpin.

Of course. But - in undercover games, not in elections

[Revival]

Something you have is a critical contradiction in your thoughts:
"a) Power is not homogeneous - this is an axiom.
If two officials think only about their own profit, then a conflict between them is almost inevitable.
b) some part of the government is interested in fair elections, at least in the framework of the struggle with another part of the government.
What is happening now.
Between two parts of power (conditionally: one oriented to the west, the other -
national) conflict escalated.
Pro-Western Amendment, National Amendment.
In fact, the question is whether we should continue to remain under the influence of the West or still become a sovereign state. "

That is, if you summarize, then:
different officials fight with each other for the possibility of sole profit.
Then what difference does it make to the people which of them wins, and "continue to remain under the influence of the West or still become a sovereign state"?
If from this "sovereign state" is going to use the people only for personal gain!
Where is the benefit for the people (the difference) who is robbing it "pro-Westerners" or "statesmen"?
In fact, you are offering the "sheep" (the people) to fight for the "owner" to let it go to the barbecue, and not the "thief" who appropriated it.
Unenviable role of some kind ..

[flicker]

Then what difference does it make to the people which of them wins, and "continue to remain under the influence of the West or still become a sovereign state"?

Not really, but even if so.
What is the difference to the people?
In the first case (pro-Westerners win), the country will not be from the word at all.
In the second (the nationally oriented part wins), the country will remain.
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But in order to change life in Russia for the better, it is necessary, at a minimum, that Russia should be. Then there are chances, which means the second option is better.
In the first case (Westerners will win), it will not exist and then there can be no talk of chances.

[Revival]

With this logic, any of the remaining parties will retain its forage territory.
So again, no difference

[Pilot]

Quote: Revival

Where is the benefit for the people (the difference) who is robbing it "pro-Westerners" or "statesmen"?
In fact, you are offering the "sheep" (the people) to fight for the "owner" to let it go to the barbecue, and not the "thief" who appropriated it.
Unenviable role of some kind ..

Yes, heaped here ,, flicker ,, - found ,, statesmen ,,)) Rob means it steals, and as you know, money has no homeland, therefore there are no statesmen, one hides money in Switzerland, the other is permissible in Spain, that’s the whole difference. To put on a barbecue both those and others, then the country will be completely ours and we will take a human breath.

[flicker]

found ,, statesmen ,,

Where did you read that part of the elite I called "statesmen"?

[Pilot]

Quote: flicker

In the first case (pro-Westerners win), the country will not be from the word at all.
In the second (the nationally oriented part wins), the country

More questions? Or, a “nationally oriented” part does not fit your definition of “statesmen”?

[Doccor18]

[quote] the phrase honest choices can be forgotten ... [quote]
Yes, they have long forgotten ....
The lady explained that it was easier for them ..

[New Year day]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

As soon as this method of voting is launched and worked out, the phrase honest elections can be forgotten ...

were they ... honest?

[Pilot]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

As soon as this method of voting is launched and worked out, the phrase honest elections can be forgotten ...

were they ... honest?

It’s like with a rating, everything is according to ,, garlic ,, .. Now the program will be considered, it will not be so stupidly calculated for the right candidate.

[Revival]

The problem now is different already.
Never before have they been so directly and openly annulled as a phenomenon.
Perhaps this is the only change ..

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

You can forget about them a long time ago

[Pereira]

fair elections

1989 The latest in the history of the country.

[your1970]

Quote: Pereira

fair elections

1989 The latest in the history of the country.

That is before- when 98,9% voted for one candidate of one party - everything was normal ????? !! these were fair elections ??? !!! Won ....
In fact, it’s on these the most honest at the time they elected at the time and Mikhal Sergeyevich and EBN ....
And unanimously ....

[Pereira]

In the early 80s, I messed up the newsletter. I learned with interest that this corruption fell into statistics. Do not shut up.
And as for the outcome of that vote, I’m sure there was no fraud.

[your1970]

Quote: Pereira

In the early 80s, I messed up the newsletter. I learned with interest that this corruption fell into statistics. Do not shut up.
And as for the outcome of that vote, I’m sure there was no fraud.

-and who argues that there was no fraud then ??? What fraud could be with one candidate of the same party ???
Then the fraud was not needed - as the party said, it will be so anyway ....

According ALL (!!!!) guilty of the collapse of the USSR - always voted unanimously .... and in the 60s and 70s and 80s ...

[Civil]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Once launched and will work this voting method, phrase fair elections can be forgotten ...

You might think that before your opinion someone was interested.)

[Alien From]

Ah leader, thank you for breathing for free ......

[Snarkxnumx]

"New normalcy"
that says it all. This is complete darkness ....

[Devil13]

And before that, you could forget, you do not know how we "count" and how "vote"?

[Snail N9]

Our elections have always been "fair". The presidential elections in 1996 and the well-known result of 146% are proof of this. And how could this have appeared ?:

[forester1971]

Evidence of unfair elections in the form of jokes?

[sergo]

And when were the elections in Russia fair?

[Shelest2000]

Remind and repeatedly. It will sound like the mantra of even their iron.

[vadim dok]

And all the last 15 years have been HONEST?

[seacap]

For a long time you can forget

[U-58]

For some reason, this "remote control" is very alarming.
Well, if in-person voting there are strong doubts about the results ..

[Altona]

Quote: U-58

For some reason, this "remote control" is very alarming.

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The anonymity of the vote is lost. In the mail envelope there is your address, in the Internet voting your login from the State Services website.

[halpat]

Quote: Altona

Quote: U-58

For some reason, this "remote control" is very alarming.

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The anonymity of the vote is lost. In the mail envelope there is your address, in the Internet voting your login from the State Services website.

And the password to enter the public service site is not a secret for the owner of the site, that is, for the state, to be honest to the end.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Halpat

And the password to enter the public service site is not a secret for the site owner, that is, for the state

If it is stored as a hash, then it is. Another thing is that if you have full access to the site database, no password is needed: you can directly read, write anything))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Altona

The anonymity of the vote is lost. In the mail envelope there is your address, in the Internet voting your login from the State Services website.

Any person is followed by an "electronic trail. Full data are provided by hospitals, banks, security cameras, colleagues and neighbors. You cannot hide from them, wherever you are."

[Kalmar]

Quote: tihonmarine

Any person is followed by an "electronic trail. Full data are provided by hospitals, banks, security cameras, colleagues and neighbors. You cannot hide from them, wherever you are."

"... but there is a nuance." According to the sources voiced, of course, it is also possible to break through the political views of a citizen, but this will be a fairly voluminous and painstaking work. It can be done in a targeted manner (with regard to those who have distinguished themselves), but on a massive scale it is too difficult.

And there is no need to do anything with voting through the GU: the output will be a ready-made array of data about who voted for whom. Voting in such a secret format does not even try to look.

[flicker]

The anonymity of the vote is lost.

Scary?

[Kalmar]

Quote: flicker

Scary?

To be honest, the unhealthy desire of the state to control every breath of its citizens is frankly worried. There is no reason to believe that all this will be used for the benefit of these very citizens.

[flicker]

It was about the anonymity of the vote. And here to control the "breath"?

[Kalmar]

Quote: flicker

It was about the anonymity of the vote. And here to control the "breath"?

So after all, at the same time: control and anonymity in this case contradict each other. We remove anonymity - control is strengthened.

[flicker]

We remove anonymity - control is strengthened.

Moreover, mutual control. You can control your decision. There will be less room for fraud.
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Offer it now on the forum, so all the sufferers of Rezhma and the fighters with the falsification of voting will immediately howl, zaminusut and throw in slippers

[Kalmar]

Quote: flicker

You can control your decision.

Why control it? And so, for example, I always know well who I voted for or not voted for.

[halpat]

Quote: flicker

It was about the anonymity of the vote. And here to control the "breath"?

The anonymity of the vote or its absence is just one of the facets of the enslavement of the individual, individual, community of individuals.
Russia is far from at the forefront of this process.
Leaders known: USA, China, Western Europe.
In China, not only every “breath”, but also every “bunch” is known to the state and the Communist Party.
In the USA and Western Europe, your freedom is nothing more than a vestige, well, or tradition, so to speak.
Russia is catching up with leaders by leaps and bounds and, taking into account the Russian proverb “Make a fool to pray, he will break his forehead,” has a chance to surpass them.

[Revival]

No, it's disgusting ..

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: U-58

For some reason, this "remote control" is very alarming.

I turned on the box now. The first channel excitedly talked about new technologies and the last remote call for schoolchildren.

[The popuas]

They were forced to register at work without fail, to participate in the primaries from the site of United Russia ... what a word!

[Insurgent]

Quote: Popuas

to participate in prime ... what word

The "partners" picked up fleas like a dog.
"Remote voting" is also from overseas ...

[Revival]

And what did they register, vote?

[The popuas]

No, I said that I registered, they still can’t check

[Revival]

, shake your hand!
.

[GMM]

It will be possible to vote remotely by turning on one of the federal TV channels on election day and nodding with an open passport in case of adoption of the amendments, or shaking your head from side to side, in case of disagreement with amendments to the constitution ...

[Crowe]

Yes, you can not even nod, they will still say that they nodded. Like all the rest 175,97%. Ella will confirm.

[Insurgent]

Quote: mmg

It will be possible to vote remotely by turning on one of the federal TV channels on election day and nodding with an open passport in case of adoption of the amendments, or shaking your head from side to side, in case of disagreement with amendments to the constitution ...

The people have long been demanding this:

- Vladimir Vladimirovich, Mr. President!
If you are held hostage by a group of corrupt oligarchs, having been removed from power, please blink three times live.

- The people will rise and set you free ...

[New Year day]

Quote: mmg

turning on one of the federal TV channels on election day and nodding with an open passport

it's too cool! We turned on the channel and immediately - "your vote is counted"

[tihonmarine]

Quote: mmg

on voting day and with an open passport, nod in case of adoption of the amendments, or shake your head from side to side, in case of disagreement with amendments to the constitution.

It will be done electronically without you and your participation, as they know your preferences.

[for]

Quote: mmg

turning on one of the federal TV channels

This type of time paid, then you signed the contract (thorough repair, garbage)

[aszzz888]

quote] At the same time, the head of the CEC noted that the Russian parliament and regional legislative assemblies had already adopted the changes. The premise that the people could already not be asked... [/ quote]
Yeahhhh, really! (with)
"Entot gathered there at the gates ... as his ... people! In general, the case is taking a social turn!"
About Fedot the archer, a daring young man.
Collection Leonid Filatov

[DNS-a42]

The promise that the people could have not been asked ...

IN AND. Lenin: “… Real“ state ”work is done behind the scenes and is performed by departments, offices, headquarters. In parliaments, they only chat with the special purpose of fooling the "common people". "

Bourgeois elections are always a lie and a farce.

[AU Ivanov.]

Soviet elections without a choice are not a farce. This is a comedy.

[Vadim237]

In the USSR, their upstairs always chose their own - and the people did not ask at all. It was only at the end of the existence of the Soviet system that labor collectives themselves were able to choose the leadership of their enterprises in the 90s and these leaders overwhelmed most of the enterprises.

[flicker]

... they allowed labor collectives to choose the leadership of their enterprises in the 90s, these managers overwhelmed most of the enterprises.

This is yes. especially when the team was more inclined to rest than to work (where they paid a salary for hours worked), then they chose the one who would give the opportunity to fly away from work. It was so

[Maks1995]

Haha. Someone remembered about "fair elections" ???
Maybe someone believes in retirement and in 2020, in landing on the moon 2015?

[Phil77]

* And here I got a kaaak card !!! *
This is me, just in case, about the upcoming.

[Sklendarka]

We are gentlemen ...

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Remotely teach, live without a salary for many 2 months, probably soon they will give birth, the dreams of certain deputies and officials came true, state should not be anything, macaroni is useful, money, but you hold on, etc. etc. P.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich

Remotely teach, live, without a salary for many 2 months, probably soon they will give birth

According to the result of virtual-remote intercourse?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Insurgent

According to the result of virtual-remote intercourse?

Yes, there will simply be no one to take birth, all gynecologists and midwives work remotely.

[Insurgent]

Quote: tihonmarine

Yes, there will simply be no one to take birth, all gynecologists and midwives work remotely.

but you are an adult, and you understand that in order to give birth to a child, he needs conceive...

I repeat the question - remote virtual ?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Insurgent

I repeat the question - remotely-virtually?

Well, you have not read the "Old Testament". It clearly says "immaculate conception".

[Insurgent]

Quote: tihonmarine

Well, you have not read the "Old Testament". It clearly says "immaculate conception".

Do not blaspheme ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Insurgent

Do not blaspheme

I agree with that. But there is also a "finger-made" method.

[Sklendarka]

Do not take it to the head, people do not take it in their mouths ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Insurgent

According to the result of virtual-remote intercourse?

But what is wrong? Then we will pay child support for a bunch of virtual kids.

[syndicalist]

How complicated everything is! He nodded to the TV to the president's question - and all for a short time!

[Vladimir_2U]

At the same time, the head of the CEC noted that the Russian parliament and regional legislative assemblies had already adopted the changes. The promise that the people could have not been asked ...

What kind of people? The people are needed only for requisitions, so that there would be something for daughters and sons in Paris to contain.

[prior]

We will conduct a vote on rape of the Constitution remotely.

"According to the head of the CEC," the world can expect a new normalcy "to which it will have to" adapt. "

[tihonmarine]

Quote: prior

We will conduct a vote on rape of the Constitution remotely.

Yes, the rigidity of Alla’s tongue rolls over, and maybe she drank something wrong.

[flicker]

"According to the head of the CEC," the world can expect a new normalcy "to which it will have to" adapt. "

It means some sort of new pandemic.
It is also possible to "adapt", or it is possible to stop the world bacchanalia through nuclear weapons.
To inflict a preventive nuclear strike on the state (s) that are actively engaged in the creation of new viruses and use them as a biological weapon.

[KVU-NSVD]

I do not think that in voting on the most important amendments to the Constitution of the country it is necessary to engage in experiments, even in a small part of the regions. Such issues are best addressed by traditional methods. When this system is tested at less important levels and the society does not have any significant questions for it, then only it should be applied at any voting of importance

[Aleks2048]

a small part of the regions

For interest, but a small part is which regions? I think that I will not make much mistakes if I suppose, for example, Moscow and the Moscow Region, two more three regions with a maximum population and there will be a complete order!

[Snail N9]

Under current laws, amendments to Chapter 3-8 of the Constitution are adopted as federal constitutional law. The procedure is determined by the Constitution itself. It does not speak about the procedure for vetoing such a law after it has already passed the Duma, the Federation Council and regional parliaments (and the amendments have already passed all this). Previously, amendments were adopted as follows - they were approved by the Federal Assembly, regional legislative assemblies, and then signed by the president. After that, the president additionally published a decree on the publication of a new Constitution.
Putin’s promise of a possible non-signing of the amendments if the majority of citizens speak out against the amendments shows that the option of disapproving the amendments at this so-called All-Russian vote is not considered at all. Based on article 136 of the Constitution, the amendments enter into force after the support of the federal as well as 2/3 of the regional parliaments. Such laws cannot be vetoed by the president. Only with respect to ordinary federal law, is the president vested with the right to reject it, which is not provided for in the procedure for adopting a federal constitutional law, which is extended by article 136 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation to the procedure for adopting amendments. That is, amendments to any will enter into force ..
Tell me what "decides" this is voluntary, not mandatory (this is not a referendum, which must come, necessarily, a certain number of the population, only then, it is considered valid) "bullshit"?
And here's how the GDP itself determined the procedure for adopting "amendments to the Constitution", read:
https://www.znak.com/2020-03-03/putin_reshil_v_kakom_poryadke_ego_popravki_v_konstituciyu_vstupyat_v_silu

[Dmitry Potapov]

Elections in "live" have never been fair, and even remotely will not be! Corona virus has nothing to do with it, the authorities realized that the people would vote against the amendments and with such a percentage that even "carousel, FSB, Ministry of Internal Affairs, FSO, Ministry of Emergency Situations, ROSGVARDIA may not help, it will give a ride, all votes" against "will be dropped into some kind of" cloud "followed by deletion.

[flicker]

the government realized that the people would vote against the amendments

It’s you who kicked the people well, even the officials do not allow themselves so openly.
---
The amendments strengthen the sovereignty of Russia, consolidate the availability and quality of medical services, tighten the requirement for officials, etc. etc.
---
Well, what kind of people will there be against such amendments?
Maybe you mean those people of Israel?

[Dmitry Potapov]

A people who understands the screen of populist amendments (which can simply be made to the Design without a referendum), but simply can’t introduce themselves to their favorite runway forever, it’s necessary to create ostentatious democracy, pay attention to how in advertising referenda they carefully circumvent the topic of extending the powers of GDP.

[flicker]

but he’s simply unable to make himself a favorite runway forever

You're wrong.
For the amendment to nullify the terms of the presidency, a decision of 3/4 of the Duma deputies is sufficient.
---
And the amendment to nullify the deadlines has a different nature (not because Putin wanted to preside forever). A struggle has begun between the elites, who, on the one hand, have a good relationship with Putin, and on the other hand, cannot tolerate each other, are in conflict with each other.
For the victory of one of the groups means the persecution of the other. One of the groups has already begun preparing for the transit of power in 2024, i.e. set the stage for your victory. Seeing this, the second group also began to set the stage. As a result, we could wallow in the elite squabbles all 4 years.
Therefore, in order to remove the conflict, a decision was made to nullify the deadlines. And Putin will go or not time will tell.
By the way, the first group, pro-Western, ordered a run over Putin due to zeroing.
And you, without realizing it, pour water into its mill.

---

[Revival]

Are you Troll chtoli? Or a Nodovets?)))

[hagen]

I'm afraid we will once again step on the same rake that we have repeatedly stepped on in the foreseeable past, such as with the pension reform. We learn that some innovations are being introduced into a publicly resonant institution, but there is no information for the population of the country about how it is supposed to ensure security from outside illegal intrusion, how it is supposed to be controlled by "civil society. Such innovations should be accompanied by extensive explanatory work. which should radically reduce the degree of people's distrust of the new systems of relations between the citizen and the state.

[Aleks2048]

how security is supposed to be ensured from outside unlawful intrusion, how control is supposed by "civil society."

Do you really think that our business will let someone from abroad to our power trough? And about civil society, this is generally not for Russia, at least not for today.

[hagen]

Quote: Alex2048

Do you really think that our business will let someone from abroad to our power trough?

Do you think that cybers from behind the hill will not try to make adjustments by playful hands or just to infect or suspend the site?

Quote: Alex2048

And about civil society, this is generally not for Russia, at least not for today.

Today, from the VO commentators, of course, GO will not work. And tomorrow? We have to start somewhere. You don't need to give up and go with the flow. But each election campaign is worth a lot for ideas to save on these costs. After all, they thought exactly the same about "carriages with a motor", and then sat on them and began to ride instead of walking the old fashioned way. It would, on the contrary, be strange if they did not dare to implement this idea. The Hindus have implemented it (although it is crooked and problematic). Canada, partly the United States also uses Internet voting. One way or another, it will soon become common practice.

[Essex62]

If we take the place of these, then everything is quite logical and rational. Optimization. We have had the principle for a long time - not how they will vote or even how they count, but how they will show it. Why spend money on organizing elections, and who are these people going to ask? 30 years, comrades, is a period. The bourgeois have grown mature, put down roots. Root and uproot.

[TAMBU]

even if it’s not already a disgrace ... Just say so and so, dear citizens, your opinion on our new Constitution is of little interest to us, so let's, without excesses, otherwise we will put pressure ... at least it would be possible respect for honesty ...

[TT62o]

But what about the secret ballot? Those. the wrong voters will be "bent"? Those. the laying of time mines.

[Aleks2048]

Yes, there’s not a mine laying, but a bomb!

[Viktor Sergeev]

Right, it's time to end with this profanity. Everything has been decided for a long time, all amendments have been submitted for the sake of one, and this is not clear, probably only gifted. They turn the Constitution into a collection of jokes. And why didn’t the right of citizens to death be made, because without this we become immortal? And without indicating the right to breathe, we can stop breathing like a hedgehog from a joke.

[Aleks2048]

Really interesting phrase

His (the president's) will and desire is to hear the opinion of the people not stipulated by the current Constitution ... additionally. He went for it, and it is worthy of great respect.

And by the way, not from someone, but from the head of the CEC! We lost the scent and lost the shores ... So the voting that was offered by the package is not quite legitimate, and even through state services it is so ... Maybe you wouldn’t be fooled and limit yourself to reporting the results of the constitutional amendment coming into force?

[Esaul]

Elka "Golden Hand" is just a performer. The project "coronavirus" was started for this. Introduce "electronic voting" across the planet. But the results will come down from behind the scenes. And so on the entire planet, those who are needed by the world government will be in power.

[Region-25.rus]

who said that we have not fair elections? I think honest! Only honestly choose either an enema or a sandwich with a known substance.

[Gardamir]

The new Constitution has already been adopted, voting does not solve anything. Yes, even SMS-kami.
But they promised democracy, just give up the Soviet regime. They refused and received totalitarianism.

[New Year day]

Quote: Gardamir

The new Constitution has already been adopted, voting does not solve anything. Yes, even SMS-kami.

but there is still a desire of the leader to "hear and see" the boundless faith and love of the Russians for him

[NordUral]

So let's show him how we love him and all of these, in a friendly way saying no! Sometime it is necessary to begin, if we are the people, not the sheep in the slaughter.

[Vadim237]

Your no is against ours yes. One amendment is worth it. For Putin this is the last term in the 2024th he will leave. He will replace himself with a colonel or a general from the GRU or the current prime minister.

[NordUral]

Vadim! We still need to live up to the 24th, but we'll see.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: NordUral

So let's show him how we love him and all of these, in a friendly way saying no! Sometime it is necessary to begin, if we are the people, not the sheep in the slaughter.

And how to do this? If before there was a theoretical opportunity to press the pre-isomer to the fence and waving a brick over his head, kindly ask - were there any frauds with ballots? - then in this case, in addition to the computer mouse on the mat, there’s no one to ask, at least break it with a hammer.

[NordUral]

People's control in the areas. With fixing attendance, etc. Only for this, the people, and not the population, should again appear in the country.

[Gardamir]

Now it remains to be wondered whether 70% is enough for him or wants to see 96% approval.

[Vadim237]

He and 30% of the population will suffice - your hell will not come to the polls and will not even vote online, in the end, 70% of those who voted for.

[NordUral]

Gardamir! This we have already received, idiots, it is too late to shed tears. But we can reject everything else that these people decide to do with us and the country. But only when there will be many of us, almost everything. And this is our problem, and their joy.
And yet - they think that it is accepted by them for us. But it is accepted illegally and this is a fact. Is there really not in the camp those who will prove this and gather the people to repulse the enemies of the people. And these are real enemies.

[hagen]

Quote: NordUral

Is there really not in the camp those who will prove this and gather the people to repulse the enemies of the people. And these are real enemies.

"We would be the enemy on the horns ..." And you yourself are weak? Announce the meeting place, time, dress code. Themselves on a white horse, so that it is clear who the leader is, and, as they say, Alga on the embrasures .... What are you looking for from the leaders? True, if the leader fails, the first loop ..., and suddenly it turns out - you are the president of all Russia. Also for 20-30 years! How do you like the prospect? But seriously, you are writing nonsense here. And you haven't read the Constitution or the amendments, but you are talking about legality. You will delve into the subject, open the primary source, and you will immediately understand everything - what is legal and what is not. But with the proposals "to gather the people to repel the enemies" you would be more careful. Add 5-7 more words and complete corpus delicti. And bugs in cells are like buttons on a keyboard .... only they don't bring pleasure.

[NordUral]

But with the proposals "to gather the people to repel the enemies" you would be more careful.

Read carefully if you scare with camera bugs. I constantly suggest that people gather, or rather people gather at polling stations. And there to repulse this by voting against them.

[hagen]

Quote: NordUral

if you scare

I do not scare you. I advise you, of the best of intentions. But you, of course, can do as you please.

[NordUral]

By these very intentions the road to hell is paved.
And once again I repeat - to call to go to the polls and vote deliberately - the most legitimate action of a citizen.

[hagen]

Quote: NordUral

By these very intentions the road to hell is paved.

C'mon, what the hell are you through me ?!

[NordUral]

The hell will send us to hell, as always having lied.

[faterdom]

From the history of the Byzantine Empire: they had so much energy spent on theological disputes, wars and schisms, that this could not be enough not to collapse in the end, would still exist. and owned the Mediterranean Sea.
But to many emperors, more important questions at the forefront seemed to be: icons are possible - icons are not allowed, where priests are thicker and longer - in Rome or Nicaea ... The apotheosis was - to turn to the "partners" - Christians of Europe for help against the Gentiles, who then bothered the taroc -seljuk. They responded, and in 1204, in one of the crusades, they completely plundered Constantinovpole.

[NordUral]

It reminds me of something.

[trophy]

Through state services he says. Now they will surname to know who and how to vote and whether to vote at all. It is very convenient to implement an administrative resource.

[NordUral]

This is a legal reason to challenge electronic voting.

[Pvi1206]

nothing to worry about ... the CEC will count as it should ...

[NordUral]

Ready for a haircut, Vladimir?

[Pvi1206]

from suma and from prison I will not renounce ...

[NordUral]

from suma and from prison I will not renounce ...

This is a little about something else.

[sabakina]

According to the head of the CEC, “the world can expect a new normality”

This used to be called "new reality". And now there it is, Mikhalych .... Please return me to Soviet normality !!!

[NordUral]

To ask naively, Vyacheslav. It’s time to demand already.
A little off topic, and maybe the very essence.
Then pensioners in St. Petersburg were thrown a miserable bone - as many as 2 thousand.
The truth is simply given only to those over 80 or disabled.
But the rest, who were "put", were offered to write a statement confirming that you are observing the "self" isolation regime.

I think this is just the beginning.

[New Year day]

His (President's) will and desire - hear not provided for by the current Constitution opinion of the people ... additionally. He went for it, and it is worthy of great respect.

That's the whole story! She herself recognized the illegality of the procedure, its ANTI-CONSTITUTION! Next time, according to his will and desire, everything will go to Mars? Although there will be no more desires, it will be unlimited further.
Pamfilova doesn’t catch up with what’s happening during the change of power, but it will happen anyway, for violating the Constitution, you can get into jail

[hagen]

Quote: Silvestr

She herself recognized the illegality of the procedure, its ANTI-CONSTITUTION!

But nothing that he (the President) under the Constitution of the Russian Federation has the right to legislative initiative?

Quote: Silvestr

Pamfilova doesn’t catch up with what’s happening during the change of power, but it will happen anyway, for violating the Constitution, you can get into jail

Can you prove it to her? It's ridiculous! As children....

[depressant]

And I will tell you how this will be done.
As electronic voting progresses, two databases are formed in parallel. The first is true, in it the way you voted. The second, public, checks the program code to see if the required percentage is "for". If not, then your vote "against" the code transforms into "yes". This fake public database is displayed on a large panel in the CEC and as the vote progresses, it shows the prevalence of those who are supposedly "for" with the percentage necessary for the authorities. You, out of distrust, demand access to the database. How so? Everyone around me voted "no", you say, and the scoreboard has a crazy percentage of "yes". Yes, please, Panfilova answers you, check your health! Here's access. You access the database, and the program code is arranged in such a way that, upon your request, an immediate access to the first, true database follows. The code finds the result of your vote in it, gives it to you, and you are convinced that yes, here is my vote "against". Then leave disappointed, not suspecting that your "cons" has remained transformed into "pros" in the public database.

[NordUral]

E-mail and mail must be rejected. Otherwise, these will remain in power forever.

[AK1972]

Quote: depressant

As electronic voting proceeds, two databases are formed in parallel. The first is true, in it the way you voted.

I totally agree with you, but there is a small but important addition. On the basis of the first base, the third base is automatically formed - the base of those who voted "against". This is how simply and gracefully the FSB and other bodies receive a ready-made list of "enemies of the state."

[depressant]

Colleague AK1972, this is by itself. And it is so attractive to the FSB that I have no doubt that in a year or two, and maybe even earlier, a law will be passed on mandatory voting for all, moreover, in electronic form. They will find a way. 100% coverage will provide. We are not deciding anything. The population, as the driving force of history, legally leaves the political scene. The government would not have missed!

[AK1972]

Dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna! We have not decided anything for a long time. I participated in the elections many times, as a member of the PEC, TEC, as an observer, as a candidate for deputy. What I have not seen enough of and cross-country urns with hospitals and carousels and stuffing. Once, at the local elections, a traffic police was detained and, under an escort of two crews, he was taken to the police and sat there until 20.00 because he pointed out a violation to the chairman of one of the commissions (she and the members of the commission from EP had EP symbols on their badges). Immediately wrote a statement to the police and the prosecutor's office. Result - no illegal actions on the part of employees were found. All of the above was organized by only one party, and even taking into account these violations, the voting results were very different from those shown to us by the CEC. So I repeat - we have not decided anything for a long time and therefore I no longer participate in this circus.

[depressant]

Colleague, so you were released!))) And now, I have no doubt, the law will be introduced "For countering the work of the election commission", a period of 3 to 5 and an immeasurable fine. And then we will no longer decide anything officially, at the legislative level.

[NordUral]

100% coverage will provide.

But the people themselves must do this so that your depressive scenario does not materialize.

[New Year day]

"Oh, what words did you say to me .."

и

His (President's) will and desire is to hear not provided for by the current Constitution

[NordUral]

State, huh? Where are you?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: NordUral

State, huh? Where are you?

Sits on a remote, do not bother him.

[NordUral]

But I want to stop this and will do it. It is necessary to pull the opposition leaders from YouTube into the real world. And we must come to an agreement, not agreement, it is not yet possible, but we must begin to resist, not talk. Otherwise, chatting beautifully, we will disappear as a people and as a country.

[hagen]

Quote: NordUral

you have to start resisting, not chatting.

Have you noticed how many allies you have? And this is just in words so far !!!

[Vadim237]

They have no allies except moaning of whining and blows to the clave in the information space of the Internet.

[hagen]

Quote: Vadim237

They have no allies except moaning of whining and blows to the clave in the information space of the Internet.

Therefore, I somehow do not doubt the outcome of the vote and the adoption of the amendments. And about active actions on a real street, I’m generally calm. Active, capable of actions in the cabinet silence do not sit and do not drive any nonsense into cyberspace. And these - they will set the house on fire, they will not come out because of the clave. Checked ... They have different views. Well, they have the right ...

[Revival]

If you compare it with you, then in the red, did you notice?

[hagen]

Quote: Revival

vy minus noticed?

This does not upset me. I'm not trying to call someone to the barricades. I know what I am writing and understand what to expect.

[NordUral]

It has been thirty years since it was removed and is breathing in the fifth corner. It's time to wake up.

[sabakina]

Sylvester, dear, how much is said .....

[alone]

Hmmm .. Ellochka the cannibal smiled meaningfully at the expression "People's opinion" .. Didn't you notice? Yes, they spat on the opinion of the people ... The amendments have already been adopted ... All federal and regional legislative bodies approved these amendments .. So the vote (With attendance or distance) is a screen ... Wait until 2036 ...

[NordUral]

This is what they think. But note the amendments, what will they do? Only this must be done by all the people. Come and together say NO!

[Pilot]

Quote: NordUral

But note the amendments, what will they do?

Which they usually do ...

[NordUral]

Night, street, lantern, pharmacy,
A senseless and dim light.
Live for at least a quarter of a century -
Everything will be so. There is no outcome.

Then it was and will be now! if we are not rams!

[Pilot]

Quote: NordUral

Night, street, lantern, pharmacy,
A senseless and dim light.
Live for at least a quarter of a century -
Everything will be so. There is no outcome.

Then it was and will be now! if we are not rams!

Well, if not sheep, if we bleat ,, election-election ,,. They were achieved 30 years before the last shred of wool and, in fact, before the cancellation of the elections themselves. Now fangs are needed, the size of daggers ..

[NordUral]

Fangs need a legally validated excuse.

I think that the time has come for us to have such a stone!

[forester1971]

You can start it, but only on your garden plot.

[alone]

Quote: NordUral

This is what they think. But note the amendments, what will they do? Only this must be done by all the people. Come and together say NO!

It is not a matter of coming and declaring NO .. Are you Eugene sure that friendly No in the final protocol of Ellochka will not turn into YES?

[NordUral]

And for this it is necessary to organize a parallel electronic vote, open. Otherwise, everything will end with fascism cleaner than Hitler's.
I think that the Communist Party, as the only opposition party in the Edrosovsky Duma, should raise the issue of a referendum on the abolition of electronic voting. And we all support her. All, regardless of opinion, all those who are against these.

[Duck]

So our people are ready to take pictures of their ballots at the planned referendum on unification (of the Nenets Autonomous Okrug and the Arkhangelsk Region), so that later they can check with the official data. The overwhelming majority of the district's population will naturally speak out against.

[NordUral]

As an option - excellent. And turnout control. And to the maximum - organize a parallel survey (anonymous, by law).

[Duck]

We will try, people rallied. What can I say, even if part of the local United Russia party is against it. We fight back as we can.

[signifera]

Voting should be open and have round-the-clock access to the results, both paper and electronic. So that everyone can check the result of their vote and recount independently. And so they just decided to simplify their fake signatures. Print the paper, then you need to add and print, report, etc. ... so that the desired result is obtained. Suddenly, someone stubborn will nevertheless break through to the test, and there, as in a joke ... no one voted for you ... And this electronic voting is much simpler, immediately drove the required percentage on the scoreboard and you're done. Why is voting made secret? Curtains, booths - that's just to check nothing was impossible. Better yet, introduce colored balls or cubes, each surname has its own color and transparent barrels - you can see everything at once, threw it into it and went, accumulate during the day, and a lot of options ...

[NordUral]

Our task and right to reject such a "vote" as well as the amendments in general. And to organize universal and mass control by uniting.

[NordUral]

And from the next world it has not occurred to me to suggest, are you our swindlers? Consult with Chichikov.

[Hog]

Pamfilova notes that the new voting option will allow voters registered on the public services website to vote in elections of one level or another

Secret ballot, yes, yes.

[Whirlwind]

Dear, what is sadness about? Bulletins are already prepared for everyone, come, take and vote. The whole question is when?
In the ballots, the question is not about the adoption of amendments, they are accepted and work, but about the AMENDMENT of chapters 1 and 2 of the Constitution, which we are prohibited by the law on referendum. Because in these chapters the Koscheev’s needle of colonialism is hidden and only the people, in a popular vote, can allow them to change, i.e. get rid of colonial dependence, since, according to the Constitution, it is the source of power and the last and decisive word is behind it. That is why Putin, the guarantor of the Constitution, has appointed not just a referendum, but its highest form - PLEASING.
So pray that the plebiscite would take place and the people would vote "FOR", ie. FOR Russia's peaceful acquisition of sovereignty and freedom. Otherwise, there will be another war for independence in our history and many of the local clever people will be killed, but you yourself will make the verdict.
Idiots do not mind. I feel sorry for the children.

[parusnik]

As they say, vote, do not vote, you still get ... what the government needs ...

[ZVS]

Who in ... who shoves? Where is this rush? Putin has been sitting in the Kremlin for another four years. Voting during an epidemic is idiocy specifically directed by the ruling elite. The election results, and this will be predominantly a remote vote, will be illegitimate as well as the pension reform carried out without popular discussion. The ruling elite has arrogated to itself the right to control the fate of the people of the country without asking the people themselves about this.

[Vadim237]

For the most part, people themselves control their fates - their knowledge of actions or inaction of aspirations and others.

[NordUral]

I believe that one's fate (and not only one's own) should be controlled by action, and not by inaction.

[veritas]

Now you can forget about the elections, only who will vote for and who will be afraid against, especially if they are quickly recognized in the civil service and dismissed, or they’ll lose their prizes. In general, the mess is only multiplying.

[Normal ok]

"According to the head of the Central Election Commission, it is impossible to extend such a voting option to the whole country - it will be implemented in three or four regions of the country."

Wangyu: it is in these regions that the percentage of those who voted "as it should" will go off scale for 300%

[16112014nk]

Now the CEC needs one specialist in IT technologies - and the election result needed by the authorities is ready. And this will, of course, without a doubt, the "honest choice" of the people.

[lopuhan2006]

And someone saw the signature of Pu? Everywhere, then printing and photocopying ....

[yfast]

The Kremlin eventually turns everyone into the Brezhnevs.
Apparently, there is some kind of radiation. The artifact of the ancients is buried. The more you sit on it, the more you fall into "I'm not leaving !!!"

[Devil13]

Get up, the country is huge, get up to the mortal battle ... With anti-people power, with a damned horde ...

[cosmonaut]

Churov with his 146 percent nervously smokes on the sidelines

[Courier]

we don’t need democracy, they are doing everything right.

[GRIGORIY76]

Public services are too complicated. I want to vote like in a "talk show" by SMS.

[Vadim237]

There is currently no system in place to conduct such a remote voting, and it will appear vryatli in the coming year.

[Buddy]

We have a new Varangian governor, whom no one really knew and had not heard before Tuleyev’s resignation, won 81,29 percent of the vote in governor elections. Without any electronic voting. Half a year after his arrival. Tsivilev last name. https://www.kem.kp.ru/daily/26879/3923069/

[NordUral]

Yes, once we calmly swallowed the GAS elections, but then at least we did not really understand its danger to us. But now is it really misunderstood still remained in large numbers?
It is necessary to raise the issue of illegality of electronic voting.

[Virus-free crown]

This post is dedicated to the memory of Nikolai Gavrilovich Chernyshevsky and is based on the novel "What is to be done?"
 
... Six months before the Choice, Micro released an update to its Operating System for Computers. Yes, there was buzz, holes, holes, everything — but by the time the Choice was to take place, everything had settled down.
 
Early in the morning, on the day of the Choice, Ivan Petrovich Sidorov, officially a petty System Administrator, and in fact the Architect of the Electronic Choice System, woke up in a great mood. Yes, finally HE will show them all! What you can sit at home and steer the whole world! Today was his day - the day of his grand triumph ...
 
Security arrived precisely at 7:30 in the morning, at 8:00, Ivan Petrovich was at his workplace. The secretary was not there on the day off, so I had to make coffee myself. Sipping hot coffee, he turned on the computer and began to wake up.
 
At first, there was no sign of a catch. Already the first results showed that more than 75 percent voted for the Candidate. Then this figure dropped below 65 - but everything was within the normal range. The turning point came at noon: less than a quarter of the voters cast their votes for the Candidate, and the "Dark Horse" (as Ivan Petrovich called one of the candidates to himself) suddenly began to lead ...
 
... Calls from the Administration of Himself began to ring around noon. The architect of the Electronic Selection System was sweating, grunting, hissing, tearing at the vest on his chest and promising to figure it out. At three o'clock in the afternoon, having drunk the one hundred and thirteenth mug of coffee, Sidorov by a willful decision turned off all his phones and entered the Selection System under his personal username and password. What eyes he had when he discovered that he had ALREADY voted - and voted for the "Dark Horse"!
 
In the evening, people in civilian clothes arrived and presented a personalized gilded pistol with one cartridge. Ivan Petrovich Sidorov was very fond of his family, especially his granddaughter, so he appreciated this gift and used it for its intended purpose.
 
* * *
 
Early in the morning on the day of the Choice, Ivan Petrovich Sidorov, officially a petty System Administrator, and in fact the Architect of the Electronic Choice System, woke up in a disgusting mood.
 
- Wow, such a nightmare had a dream!

And the heart so fluttered in his chest, so was torn to freedom ...
 
Ivan Petrovich glanced at his right hand: the chain with the flash drive on which the results of the Choice, which was to take place today, were recorded, was in place.
 
- Yes, I do not care on Micro! As I was told - it will be so! - the Architect of the Electronic Selection System thought to himself in relief and began to wake up. It was a difficult day ahead. Today was His Day - the day of his triumph ...
 
PS A new law on electronic voting was taken as the basis of the article.

[flicker]

For those who require, on the one hand, anonymity of voting, and on the other, proclaims the falsification of voting results.
---
Or maybe the anonymity of the vote does not allow the people to control the objectivity of the vote?

[NordUral]

Our cowardice hinders, lack of will and neglect of the fate of our great-grandchildren.

[Antokha]

The verifiability of electronic voting can be ensured, and this is even more realistic than paper voting. This requires that the State Services be obliged to tell me, instantly at the click of a mouse, for whom I voted. Since you can vote through them, then let there be reporting. And then people who doubt that their vote was counted correctly can conduct the count themselves. If there is a sufficiently large number of people willing to check, you can understand who won in your area. This information can be compared with official data on it, and then higher and higher. To some extent, this is a step towards open voting, which also has its downsides. But by voting through State Services, my vote is no longer a secret from the authorities, which means that for me it should no longer be a secret either. I will say more: it should be possible to choose the type of voting for yourself between secret and explicit. And if I voted clearly, anyone should see my vote. These measures will make cheating much more difficult. True, the authorities will take this information into account, including my desire to fight cheating. But since all my smallest political preferences are already known even to the American intelligence services through WhatsApp and Skype, there’s really nothing to hide.

[qobnvmog]

In Sovka, in the kitchens they discussed what they were afraid to say openly.
Such articles have long turned into a kitchen where Russians anonymously discuss what they are afraid to say out loud in life.

[NordUral]

To the point, qobnvmog, that’s why we are allowed to do this. And having let off steam, almost no one goes to the polls anymore. Thus, giving their votes to swindlers. You need to go to the polls and vote as your mind allows.

[fa2998]

Quote: Stas157

His (the president's) will and desire is to hear the opinion of the people not stipulated by the current Constitution ... additionally. He went for it, and it is worthy of great respect.

As far as I know, in the current Constitution (without any changes) the “opinion of the people” is called a REFERENDUM. Now, this vote has NO legal justification AT ALL, it doesn’t decide anything, THEY HAVE ALREADY DECIDED THEMSELVES!

[depressant]

Yes, colleague fa2998, they decided on their own, but they still pretend that we mean something and that the authorities remember our existence. I believe it won't be long until complete oblivion.
What lies behind this rush to vote? Is it really $57 billion lost to Khodorkovsky in accordance with the old style Constitution? Are they trying to reflect this colossal blunder with a provision of the Constitution according to the new style on the priority of Russian laws? Or maybe Putin’s desire to lie in the Mausoleum after death? It’s funny to us, but what is the necrophobe Zhirinovsky talking about carrying out Lenin’s body? Will Putin feel uncomfortable lying next to Lenin? I wish I could take it out of the Duma... Or something else that is not visible to us, but visible from the Kremlin towers. I'm really tired of conspiracy theories. It's time to explain things openly. We live in the same country, after all.

[reader65]

The Russian Federation will pay $57 billion anyway. Otherwise, everything that belongs to the Russian Federation abroad (including gas and oil pipelines) will be seized and sold to pay off the debt. And the constitution has nothing to do with it.
As an example, the payment of $5 billion to Bandera and $1.5 billion to Pshek.

[depressant]

Unfortunately, yes, colleague. Alas!(((
This is the price of short-sighted policies and excessive arrogance. We can only hope that competent lawyers will drag out this process for many decades. If there are any (((

[7,62x54]

Another abscess has opened

[skobars]

First, they deceived the Soviet people and destroyed the USSR, then, under the guise of servants of the PEOPLE, they pushed mainly enemies of the PEOPLE into the Duma. Well, now creating the appearance of interest in the opinion of the people is not at all interesting to the bourgeoisie, and you can introduce electronic voting, the results of which can be rigged as you wish.

[Klingon]

Quote: seregatara1969

Sometimes it’s blurt out from the rostrum - they say nothing at all about the consequences

That's what talking heads are for. They have no brains. And behind them are hidden cunning puppeteers-ventriloquists

[Viktor Sergeev]

I translate Pamfilova’s words into Russian: that means, listen to me, your master has already accepted everything, now you must support, and it doesn’t matter how you vote, everything has already been decided. Well, don’t forget to thank the gentleman who bothered to listen to you.

[l7yzo]

It’s strange, if everything is so legitimate and everything has already been accepted - why is all this???
but why - https://www.un.org/ru/sections/un-charter/chapter-v/

The status of the Russian Federation as a successor state of the USSR. And not the state's legal successor. And here the discord begins, because “At the same time, the Russian Federation declared itself, with the approval of almost all states, the legal successor of the USSR in the international arena on the basis of the denunciation by the Supreme Council of the RSFSR on December 12, 1991 of the Treaty on the Formation of the USSR of 1922, but the resolution on the denunciation of the Treaty on the Formation of the USSR was canceled by Resolution of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation of March 15, 1996 No. 156-II GD.

Moreover, on December 24, 1991, a state entity with the name “Russian Federation” did not exist, since the RSFSR Law on changing the name appeared only on December 25, 1991, and changes to the Constitution of the RSFSR were adopted only in July 1992, but the most important thing is that all this was done contrary to the results of the referendum on March 17, 1991."


So it looks like a transfer from the status of a “continuator state” to the status of a “successor state”.