Military Review

The State Duma will consider a bill to reduce the age limit for additional pension payments

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Discussions are continuing in Russia about the possibility of lowering the retirement age bar. Recall that such an initiative was voiced in connection with a possible increase in unemployment, in which the state will have to focus on providing jobs primarily to young citizens. This can strike a blow at the economic interests of citizens of the so-called pre-retirement age.


On the eve of the "Military Review" reported that in RIA News commentary was published by the head of the Duma committee on labor and social policy Yaroslav Nilov (LDPR faction). Nilov said that he was in favor of reducing the retirement age, but "the authorities are unlikely to make such a reduction."

Now it has become known that a draft law has been submitted to the State Duma of the Russian Federation, according to which a 5-year reduction in the age limit for receiving a pension bonus is provided. We are talking about a premium in the form of 100% of the amount of the pension payment when a pensioner reaches 80 years of age. Bill as reported RIA News with reference to the same deputy Nilov, he suggests receiving an allowance when a citizen reaches 75 years of age. This age exceeds the average life expectancy in Russia.

The explanatory note to the document says that the initiators of innovations are based on foreign experience, which takes into account the fact of the presence of chronic diseases in people 75 years of age and older. Additionally, it is noted that the WHO classifies 75-year-olds as the "senile category".
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  1. Crowe
    Crowe 25 May 2020 06: 32 New
    18
    “The authorities are unlikely to make such a decline”

    What then to talk about, they won’t go of course.
    We are talking about a bonus in the form of 100% of the amount of the pension payment when a pensioner reaches 80 years of age

    They mock? So many do not live.
    1. Far B
      Far B 25 May 2020 06: 53 New
      10
      Of course they won’t. But the semblance of violent activity must be depicted. Here they are. However, they still do not know how to do anything else.
      1. dik-nsk
        dik-nsk 25 May 2020 07: 25 New
        +8
        ..LDPR faction). Nilov said that he is in favor of reducing the retirement age
        a storyteller from the LDPR, who always votes what they say, the most slippery and populist party ..
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 25 May 2020 08: 04 New
          +9
          Distraught from irresponsibility, the authorities depict violent activity. With one hand takes (in fact), with the other hand gives (make-believe).

          The process of acquisitions and requisitions worked out perfectly. But the process of giving and fulfilling social obligations is only at the level of imitation and promises.

          Why was it necessary to rob the elderly in order to then consider some additional pension payments?
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 25 May 2020 08: 41 New
            +7
            Quote: Stas157
            Why was it necessary to rob the elderly in order to then consider some additional pension payments?

            It’s very simple, the scheme, like the bandits in the 90s, was first squeezed out, and then they began to tell us that they didn’t worry, we would solve all the problems, take care of you .. and for this, they tell a new fairy tale ..
      2. Altona
        Altona 25 May 2020 09: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: Dalny V
        Of course they won’t. But the semblance of violent activity must be depicted. Here they are. However, they still do not know how to do anything else.

        ------------------------
        Regardless of Nilov, sane people in power, including even United Russia, have long understood that the pension reform was and will be for them a huge "fox fur coat" that will bury them. Therefore, now there is an imitation of the rollback of the pension reform.
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 25 May 2020 07: 07 New
      -5
      My grandfather began working at the age of twelve, during the war. Then he began to smoke. That is, he had practically no childhood. He worked until seventy-two. And with all this, he lived to seventy-six.
      Now I want to ask, how is it necessary to scoff at oneself so that eighty-year-old age seems to be something unattainably fantastic?
      1. Altona
        Altona 25 May 2020 09: 44 New
        +4
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Now I want to ask, how is it necessary to scoff at oneself so that eighty-year-old age seems to be something unattainably fantastic?

        -------------------------
        Physiology is different in people, today cardiovascular diseases and oncology mow young and middle age only in the way.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 25 May 2020 10: 03 New
          -3
          Most behave as if they found their health in the garbage. One smokes like a steam locomotive, and where does this oncology come from I can’t imagine. Another leaven for weeks - hello stroke.
    3. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 25 May 2020 08: 03 New
      +5
      When my grandmother turned 80 years old, they began to pay 1000 rubles a month. She received her 7 years.
      Such a retirement allowance.
      That's what the debate is about.
      1. Altona
        Altona 25 May 2020 09: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Reptiloid
        When my grandmother turned 80 years old, they began to pay 1000 rubles a month.

        ----------------------------
        It will not be enough, or rather it was probably. My parents are now paid about 4000 for each and given 1000 to care, but for this you need to appoint a girl, she will have experience of going on, relatives cannot for some reason.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 25 May 2020 10: 42 New
          0
          Quote: Altona
          ...... My parents are now paid about 4000 for each and given 1000 for care, but for this you need to appoint a girl, she will have experience of going on, relatives cannot for some reason.
          It seems that disability should be for this. But in our city there is still a social taxi cheap after 80 (for disability or all?)
      2. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 25 May 2020 09: 19 New
        +7
        Quote: Reptiloid
        When my grandmother turned 80 years old, they began to pay 1000 rubles a month. She received her 7 years.

        People, what are you talking about, what a thousand? Here's how much pensioners add after 80:"From January 1, 2020, the amount of the fixed payment to the old-age insurance pension is 5686 rubles 25 kopecks." It is about such an amount that the law is in question. Now they propose to give this increase to pensioners not from the age of 80, but from 75.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 25 May 2020 10: 46 New
          0
          in my opinion, these are different articles
          Quote: SRC P-15
          Quote: Reptiloid
          When my grandmother turned 80 years old, they began to pay 1000 rubles a month. She received her 7 years.

          People, what are you talking about, what a thousand? Here's how much pensioners add after 80:"From January 1, 2020, the amount of the fixed payment to the old-age insurance pension is 5686 rubles 25 kopecks." It is about such an amount that the law is in question. Now they propose to give this increase to pensioners not from the age of 80, but from 75.

          However, I wrote that a payment of 1000 rubles for my grandmother in the past.
    4. Svarog
      Svarog 25 May 2020 08: 39 New
      +4
      We are talking about a bonus in the form of 100% of the amount of the pension payment when a pensioner reaches 80 years of age

      You need to live up to 80 years. repeat
      The explanatory note to the document says that the initiators of innovations are based on foreign experience, which takes into account the fact of the presence of chronic diseases in people 75 years of age and older. Additionally, it is noted that the WHO classifies 75-year-olds as the "senile category".

      Fraudsters in all its glory .. Just to raise the dust ..
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 25 May 2020 08: 46 New
        +5
        The State Duma will consider a bill to reduce the age limit for additional pension payments

        Have the "effective managers + people's choices" screwed up, and now, hiding behind fig leaves of the "impending crisis" are trying to "quietly" play in the ass?
        1. Altona
          Altona 25 May 2020 10: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: Insurgent
          Have the "effective managers + people's choices" screwed up, and now, hiding behind fig leaves of the "impending crisis" are trying to "quietly" play in the ass?

          ---------------------------
          "Unconventional orientation" and here on the site enough, running around in the morning, put the minuses, hater.
    5. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 25 May 2020 08: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Crowe
      They mock? So many do not live.

      They live, but ... people of "mental labor". Hard workers, with rare exceptions.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 25 May 2020 10: 57 New
        +2
        I noticed that doctors, teachers and those who read a lot, talking with people can live long.
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Quote: Crowe
        They mock? So many do not live.

        They live, but ... people of "mental labor". Hard workers, with rare exceptions.

        In tsarist Russia with an average life expectancy of 30 years, there were those who lived longer than 80, the tsar’s mother, for example, the elders in the Senate (Repin's painting). Some merchants, industrialists
        Long life --- was a privilege of the upper classes. Soviet power has changed that.
        How will it be in post-Soviet Russia
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 25 May 2020 12: 26 New
          0
          Quote: Reptiloid
          How will it be in post-Soviet Russia

          As with the king, what is incomprehensible?
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 25 May 2020 13: 00 New
            0
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Quote: Reptiloid
            How will it be in post-Soviet Russia

            As with the king, what is incomprehensible?
            And I want it to be understood by everyone, especially those who are rugapt of the USSR negative
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 25 May 2020 06: 36 New
    +7
    A person died at 70 years old, in five years the relatives will bring the skeleton with documents to the pension fund so that the deceased will be charged extra? ?? Authorities from the people ropes twist, mock the country's population with might and main! It would be better to cancel the anti-people pension reform, return the retirement age back!
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 25 May 2020 06: 57 New
      +7
      Quote: Thrifty
      brought back the retirement age back!

      but "the authorities are unlikely to make such a decline."

      then what is the conversation about?
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 25 May 2020 07: 57 New
        10
        So the conversation about the fact that our oligarchic power is deeply antipathetic to the population, therefore, the law on raising the retirement age is affectionately called "cannibalistic".
        And who can come up with the cannibalistic law?
        Yes, only cannibals!
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 25 May 2020 08: 04 New
          +7
          How much time has passed, and passions do not subside .... The people will not forgive the authorities for raising the retirement age. And here about certification and chipizatsiya from all irons broadcast. So who is rocking the boat?
          1. Narak-zempo
            Narak-zempo 26 May 2020 08: 24 New
            0
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            So who is rocking the boat?

            Well, let's say they rock.
            But this only means that everyone should grab hold of something and hold on to themselves quietly so as not to fly overboard. And do not undertake to swing even more.
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 26 May 2020 09: 20 New
              0
              Quote: Narak-zempo
              quietly

              Wouldn't it be better to throw the "rockers" overboard?
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 25 May 2020 08: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: Thrifty
        brought back the retirement age back!

        but "the authorities are unlikely to make such a decline."

        then what is the conversation about?

        The conversation is that after they have retired their pension for 5 years, having taken away ~ 1000000 rubles from everyone else, pay extra 1000 rubles not from 80 years, but from 75. That's what!
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 25 May 2020 08: 15 New
          +4
          Quote: Reptiloid
          and from 75. Here that!

          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 25 May 2020 08: 24 New
            +6
            Well yes! attraction of unheard of generosity !!!!! And let them not deny themselves anything, as they say.
            This is some kind of absurdity, if we recall the salaries and pensions of the deputies themselves.
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 25 May 2020 09: 12 New
              +3
              Quote: Reptiloid
              do not deny yourself anything

              That year I was raised my pension by 214,32 scars .... They got rich, benefactors!
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 25 May 2020 10: 27 New
                +2
                I don’t know how my mother was raised, but in that year they made 11000. And for some reason this is less than 10000! She didn’t look for several months, but then she saw! And do not know anything --- quarantine! You can’t get through to the pension via the hotline, the waiting time exceeds the amount given to the answering machine! Given my earnings --- she will not have to starve, of course. But --- it’s still wrong. There were some words, they say, the food basket fell in price, counted down. .... We still have such a joke --- in April they promised for isolation itself. pensioners 2000. And now they wrote that only after the end of self-isolation, only after submitting an application. So my mother is now studying these sites, where to write. More pensioners promised 800 rubles for masks, probably also postponed. ..
      3. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 25 May 2020 13: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: Thrifty
        brought back the retirement age back!

        but "the authorities are unlikely to make such a decline."

        then what is the conversation about?

        How about what? It is necessary to show the people's deputy how good he is. That he fights with his last strength, "but no one goes for it."
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 25 May 2020 06: 42 New
    +6
    Well, someone will survive, but not all!
    What is the power to change ... it's like to appoint an increased pension to the participants of the Battle of Kulikovo ....
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 25 May 2020 08: 17 New
      +6
      Quote: rocket757
      Well, someone will survive, but not all! ....

      Really deputies of the State Duma think that an increase of 1000 rubles will forget about increasing the age of retirement.
      Good morning, Victor! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 May 2020 11: 39 New
        +1
        Hi Dmitry soldier
        The method of 1000 rubles. retired, has long been known. When it worked!
        How will it go now .... but fig knows it. Pensioners are a special "caste", it is difficult to understand ... when you try it yourself, then understanding will come.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 25 May 2020 12: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          Hi Dmitry soldier
          The method of 1000 rubles. retired, has long been known. When it worked!
          How will it go now .... but fig knows it. Pensioners are a special "caste", it is difficult to understand ... when you try it yourself, then understanding will come.

          I try to read, at work, it happens, pensioners say something about it. But not everything is clear. In any case, there are regional and federal allowances, they can complement each other, duplicate, as it were .... and even for disabilities there are different ..... and in different cities different money .....
          And still it is necessary to read about MFC. A pension fund pays some allowances, and some MFCs upon application! And there is the word subsidy ...... ??????
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 25 May 2020 12: 37 New
            +1
            Clearly, the crumbs tossed. But to me, while the legs work, it’s not interesting ... then, then all, while you have to earn money, with your own labor.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 25 May 2020 13: 06 New
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              ........ you need to earn, with your labor.
              good
              How else? smile
  4. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 25 May 2020 07: 09 New
    +8
    On the eve of "Military Review" reported that RIA Novosti published a commentary by the head of the Duma Committee on Labor and Social Policy Yaroslav Nilov (LDPR faction). Nilov said that he was in favor of reducing the retirement age, but "the authorities are unlikely to make such a reduction"
    .
    That is another PR of the Liberal Democratic Party, against the backdrop of collapsed ratings of the party in power. But is not this LDPR who voted for raising the retirement age, together with the EP? lol
    That neither! Well, there was a double party! laughing
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 25 May 2020 07: 20 New
      +9
      They did not vote, they went north. One Volkov did not have time to leave with the pack, one of them had to vote "for", like all the other blood brothers in the jungle.
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 25 May 2020 07: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      That neither! Well, there was a double party!

      Definitely! There are some villains and donkeys! All the resignation! Definitely!
  5. RUSS
    RUSS 25 May 2020 07: 23 New
    -3
    Maybe they will throw a bone before voting for zeroing
  6. Brigadier
    Brigadier 25 May 2020 07: 43 New
    +7
    Putin's "power" is trying to seem the most cunning, but, as always, it comes out clumsy and awkward.

    It works according to the standard principle: take away the ruble from a person, and then return him a penny and he will be happy ...

    But she forgets that we also know about this principle! angry
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 25 May 2020 07: 47 New
    +6
    One word is mockery ...
  8. GMM
    GMM 25 May 2020 07: 57 New
    +7
    When you reach 80, you can also give a ticket to Artek ...
  9. Prisoner
    Prisoner 25 May 2020 08: 19 New
    +4
    Ping pong of some kind. Today we increase, tomorrow we may lower it, and the day after tomorrow we will raise it still. "Proffie", the trees are green! Did you not have enough intelligence that to raise the age there is little desire to simply save money on not paying pensions to old people? We need jobs that do not exist and will not be even more with such "specialists" in the field of economic development.
  10. Maks1995
    Maks1995 25 May 2020 08: 21 New
    +7
    The crooks want to fool everyone again ...
  11. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 25 May 2020 09: 11 New
    +3
    The explanatory note to the document states that the initiators of innovations are based on foreign experience,
    Or maybe, well, to the demon of these initiators with their foreign experience? Return the Soviet pension system with the same age standards and the payment of pensions directly from the state, bypassing all sorts of pads such as pension funds, which probably eat as much money as all Russian pensioners need.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 25 May 2020 09: 54 New
      +2
      Or maybe, well, to the demon of these initiators with their foreign experience?
      ... why simple when difficult laughing field for theft "shirshe" or "wider" ... smile
  12. Galleon
    Galleon 25 May 2020 10: 33 New
    +7
    Pay attention: motivation of the bill - vacate the jobs that retirees occupy, for young personnel in the face of rising unemployment. And they decided to raise pensions - seventy-five years old !!
    What's this - fool ?
  13. veritas
    veritas 25 May 2020 11: 29 New
    +8
    They understand that it is necessary to abolish the genocide, but they do not want to, come up with different ways, so that there would be support among the people and how not to pay a pension.
  14. Hog
    Hog 25 May 2020 11: 30 New
    +2
    The norm of jokes for today is fulfilled.
  15. iouris
    iouris 25 May 2020 13: 11 New
    +1
    Apparently coronavirus is very dangerous.
  16. Snail N9
    Snail N9 25 May 2020 13: 45 New
    +1
    And until 75 years old, they’re all healthy, without chronic diseases, yeah ..
    Once again, look at healthy, happy people who agree to work up to the grave in their workplace:
  17. Revival
    Revival 25 May 2020 14: 59 New
    0
    The government gave a negative opinion on the bill.
    Type unreasonable need! And in the budget for this money is not provided.
    This is our government, as usual and without exception
  18. Kushka
    Kushka 25 May 2020 15: 09 New
    0
    Quote: Polite Moose
    Quote: Sovetskiy

    Definitely! There are some villains and donkeys!

    According to one version, when rusichi beat off attacks
    barbarians to their settlement, to the battle to strengthen
    all the men walked from young to old. In the settlement
    women and small children remained. Had the right
    to stay and RAINS, i.e. unsuitable - those who
    in battles they lost legs, arms, eyes - in general they deserve it.
    Those. You showed these guys a lot of honor by calling
    their rascals.
    1. iouris
      iouris 25 May 2020 22: 03 New
      0
      And the lack of conscience?
  19. Trotil42
    Trotil42 25 May 2020 15: 29 New
    0
    [quoteYaroslav Nilov (LDPR faction). Nilov said that he was in favor of reducing the retirement age, but "the authorities are unlikely to go for such a reduction."]
    But who is he? Legislative ... again a lie. I must say I will be against the reduction of the retirement age ..