Military Review

American Rifleman Named Its Shotgun Version of the Year

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KelTec is an American company based in Coco, Florida. It was founded in 1995 by an engineer of Swedish origin George Kellgren.


The KS7 pump-action bullpup created by this company is recognized by American Rifleman magazine as the best shotgun of the year.

The publication is considered one of the most influential armory magazines in the USA. Every year its editors select and award the most interesting, in their opinion, small arms samples.

The magazine decided that the shotgun was compact and very easy to handle. Its mass is 2,7 kilograms. It is suitable for protecting the house and the adjacent area from unwanted guests, since any type of 12-round ammunition can be used in it, including so-called non-lethal ammunition. The high-strength housing made of polymer material is available in black, olive and sand. The shotgun pistol grip is equipped with a push-button fuse. The weapon is equipped with an under-barrel tubular magazine containing six rounds of 12x76 caliber.


Due to its compact size, the shotgun is convenient for firing from a vehicle, according to American authors.

In the US, such a shotgun is sold at retail for $ 495.

Apparently, the convenience for protecting a house and shooting from a car are the most relevant things for weapons from an American point of view. It is also worth noting that the American magazine "forgot" to take into account the shortcomings of the KS7. One of the inconveniences that the shooters with experience in using this shotgun speak of is the following: a shotgun is extremely unsuitable for use by a person who is above average height. "Controls" are placed so that a person has to bend his arms as much as possible to get ready for shooting.
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  1. AllBiBek
    AllBiBek 24 May 2020 14: 02 New
    +3
    Let's guess without reading: the Americans once again called something American something of the year, and here it is. Guessed?
    1. mark2
      mark2 24 May 2020 14: 10 New
      +3
      Exactly! American is always the best.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 24 May 2020 14: 22 New
        +9
        Quote: mark2
        Exactly! American is always the best.


        But in any case, better than this:



        Although both are made, in fact, of plastic, but "amerikos" can find at least some practical application, and this ... This is generally request
        1. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek 24 May 2020 14: 43 New
          -4
          And just the opposite.
          That IT can just find application in the role of a police weapon, based on what powers and police there are and what methods it has there.

          But this shotgun is perfect for us in terms of shooting weekend at wild cans and bottles after a liter of strong.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 24 May 2020 14: 50 New
            +6
            Quote: AllBiBek
            And just the opposite.
            That IT can just find application in the role of a police weapon, based on what powers and police there are and what methods it has there.


            Well yes... "Police special forces went to the bayonet at the protesters"

            Okay, in 1989 the paratroopers in Georgia were accused of chopping down the ISL of "peaceful protesters" ...
            But those, at least the shovel was on staff, and they used them for self-defense for lack of other weapons, so as not to be torn to pieces by the crowd ...

            And in your vision, obviously the police need to introduce bayonets as a standard weapon ...
            1. AllBiBek
              AllBiBek 24 May 2020 15: 00 New
              -2
              Конечно.
              If I had the appropriate lobbying tools in terms of the supply of weapons to their police and the National Guard, I would also include an attached bayonet in the insurance conditions. And then suddenly crack under nigra, which is already half a bullet planted, the barrel grab than deliver traumatized cop. And here - grabbed his bayonet with a stoned hand.

              And even if I had opened an insurance company for this, I would have paid off in a year.
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 24 May 2020 15: 16 New
                +4
                Quote: AllBiBek
                Конечно.
                If I had the appropriate lobbying tools in terms of the supply of weapons to their police and the National Guard, I would also include an attached bayonet in the insurance conditions. And then suddenly crack under nigra, which is already half a bullet planted, the barrel grab than deliver traumatized cop. And here - grabbed his bayonet with a stoned hand.

                And even if I had opened an insurance company for this, I would have paid off in a year.


                Here I HAVE "for niggas", and enter ...
                1. AllBiBek
                  AllBiBek 24 May 2020 15: 32 New
                  -3
                  Meaning?
                  The problem contingent in my host state is stopped by the fact of being brought to the police for participating in illegal opposition rallies, in extreme cases, by conscription. This is usually enough.

                  In yours - well, he usually blows up each other or shoots drunk.

                  To mine armored vehicles armed with auxiliary police - well, you are closer than us, but still far away.
            2. tracer
              tracer 24 May 2020 15: 45 New
              -2
              So it was, familiar with those guys from that same company of that battalion. Whoever knew them personally didn’t get there.
              1. Timeout
                Timeout 27 May 2020 07: 20 New
                +2
                Quote: tracer
                So it was, familiar with those guys from that same company of that battalion. Who was there I know them personally, I didn’t get there myself.
                Well, yes, despite the fact that the 21st Special School Brigade did not participate in those events ...
                1. tracer
                  tracer 27 May 2020 17: 18 New
                  -3
                  They forgot to ask you "magnetic". Where did you get your expert opinion and what does 21 have to do with it?
                  1. Timeout
                    Timeout 28 May 2020 02: 47 New
                    +2
                    Quote: tracer
                    and what does 21 have to do with it?

                    So with your words! laughing Yes, insanity grows stronger, forever sclerosis ...
            3. Timeout
              Timeout 27 May 2020 07: 28 New
              +3
              Quote: Insurgent
              so as not to be torn to pieces by the crowd ...

              Yes, they sent the guys to the slaughter ... Neither the PRs nor the shields helped the Vovans, until the motorized rifles and paratroopers came up, without weapons.
      2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 24 May 2020 18: 59 New
        -1
        Quote: mark2
        American is always the best.

        Name our, currently produced, 12 gauge civil smoothbore (without single and double barrels), which is consistently good "out of the box" and does not require "peeling"?
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 24 May 2020 22: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
          Name our, currently produced, 12 gauge civil smoothbore (without single and double barrels), which is consistently good "out of the box" and does not require "peeling"?

          Not for the sake of advertising: I had a Saigu 278, it turned out to be a good device. It works reliably, it hits well even from open ones, chews a 28g sample, even if not some horrible cartridge. "Vepri", according to the reviews of acquaintances, are also quite adequate: peeling is required, mainly for fine-tuning for small weights, but this is not important for everyone.
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 26 May 2020 02: 25 New
            0
            Quote: Kalmar
            got a "Saiga"

            Thanks for the reply.
            I didn’t own it, I don’t presume to discuss the existing anti-advertising about unstable quality.
            There are only 2 comments from Saig and Co. from me:
            1) Box magazine. Will go for shooting, but hunting is not convenient. Equipping is not convenient. It is not convenient to carry it through the bushes. It is not convenient that you cannot change the ammunition "on the fly" (or carry one more magazine, which is a lot of extra weight).
            2) Weight. Compared to the same Benelli m2 - plus 0,6 kilos. And it becomes significant if you walk with this trunk for a long time on rough terrain.
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 26 May 2020 08: 53 New
              -1
              Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
              I do not presume to discuss the existing anti-advertising about unstable quality

              Let's just say: in terms of quality assurance, our manufacturers still have something to work on, but, in general, now this is not bad (in the context of the price, of course).

              Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
              From me, only 2 comments by Saig and Co.

              Reasonable remarks, but, in my opinion, "Saiga" / "Vepr" in its current form is not a weapon for hunting. Sports - yes, home protection - quite; here a lot of weight does not matter, and the box allows you to charge / recharge faster. For hunting, of course, it is wiser to take a normal hunting weapon like the same MP-155 / "Bekas" from KK / VPO.
              1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 26 May 2020 11: 35 New
                0
                Quote: Kalmar
                home protection - quite

                When storing an equipped magazine does the spring not sag?
                The prospect of "stuffing the horn" in the event of a threat is clearly not a plus.
                Whereas in the "pipe" you can quickly stuff cartridges, if necessary.
                1. Kalmar
                  Kalmar 26 May 2020 11: 49 New
                  0
                  Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                  When storing an equipped magazine does the spring not sag?

                  Over time, I think, it will sink, but this problem can be solved organizationally. Let's say:

                  1. Do not fill the store to the end: if serious hostilities are not expected, 4-5 rounds will be enough to scoop some stray adventurers. There are several such incomplete boxes.

                  2. From time to time to transfer cartridges from one store to another.

                  The best option already depends on what threats you expect to face in principle.

                  Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                  Whereas in the "pipe" you can quickly stuff cartridges

                  Well, it depends. Let's say fast charging something like the Mossberg 500 requires skill; in a stressful situation, you can get confused in your fingers (tried at the shooting range). In general, there are pros and cons everywhere.
                  1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                    Boris ⁣ Shaver 26 May 2020 16: 02 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Kalmar
                    fast charging of something like the Mossberg 500 requires skill

                    It’s quite natural for someone to be able to handle their weapons.
                    All in all, thanks for the feedback. The opinion of the real owner was interesting
        2. KSVK
          KSVK 25 May 2020 16: 29 New
          0
          RMF-93. No peeling required. Surpasses the American miracle in all respects, well, maybe except for appearance. :)
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 26 May 2020 02: 30 New
            0
            Quote: KSVK
            RMF-93

            Its main disadvantage is that "Lynx" is no longer produced. I once wanted to buy it as the first barrel (I also liked it) - but I could not find it in the normal state.
            Still on powerful hinges, they say, is not intended.
            Well, they scold the return
    2. Imbris
      Imbris 24 May 2020 17: 46 New
      -2
      Is it exactly American? They have almost none of their own. The much-praised AR platform is just a copy paste with the StG44, a bit brought to mind. And for what kind of armament you can’t take - someone had it all .....
      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 24 May 2020 22: 39 New
        -2
        Quote: Imbris
        The much-praised AR platform is just copy-paste with the StG44

        Oh how. At first, AK was her copy-paste, now AR. Who is next? But seriously, what was copied there, besides the idea of ​​putting the return in the butt? Well, still incomplete disassembly "breaking point", which was done a lot before the Stg-44.

        Quote: Imbris
        And for what kind of armament you can’t take - someone had it all .....

        So after all, almost any weapon model of any country and any designer take - there will be some kind of borrowing. And this, in general, is normal: why come up with bicycles every time?
      2. user1212
        user1212 25 May 2020 11: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: Imbris
        The much-praised AR platform is just copy-paste with the StG44

        Nah

        Joke:)
  2. martin-159
    martin-159 24 May 2020 14: 08 New
    -1
    the shotgun is extremely inconvenient for a person with a height above average. "Controls" are placed so that a person has to bend his arms as much as possible to get ready to shoot.

    Is it difficult to extend the butt with any inserts?
    1. KCA
      KCA 24 May 2020 14: 15 New
      +4
      Carbon fiber? Only the blue electrical tape wrap the pad
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 24 May 2020 14: 26 New
        +4
        Quote: KCA
        Carbon fiber? Only the blue electrical tape wrap the pad

        Do not be so categorical, the US arms market is so flexible that this shotgun, if it goes on any widespread sale, will not delay the release of some "Kit" ...
        1. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek 24 May 2020 14: 46 New
          -1
          Be more realistic, they now have such a situation in the economy that they will soon remember about, as they put it, "life hacks" by means of electrical tape, improvised garbage, and such and such an American-style mother.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 24 May 2020 14: 57 New
            +4
            Quote: AllBiBek
            Be more realistic, they now have such a situation in the economy that they will soon remember about, as they put it, "life hacks" by means of electrical tape, improvised garbage, and such and such an American-style mother.

            I see no obstacles of any special order for the release of both the shotgun itself, which is interesting in my opinion, and its accessories ..

            The last thing that will "bend" in the United States is the market and production of mass small arms ...
            1. AllBiBek
              AllBiBek 24 May 2020 15: 04 New
              -3
              Uh-huh.
              And there are many alternatives in the field, for example, rifled bolts for half a hundred bucks for the same mosquito, which several ships bought from Ukraine ten years ago at the price of scrap metal?
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 24 May 2020 15: 07 New
                +3
                Quote: AllBiBek
                Uh-huh.
                And there are many alternatives in the field, for example, rifled bolts for half a hundred bucks for the same mosquito, which several ships bought from Ukraine ten years ago at the price of scrap metal?

                And "mosinki" too yes All sorts. And the originals and modern ... Why not a product for the market?

                And "Mannlicher" and "Mauser" and ... Yes, I'm tired of listing ...

                1. tracer
                  tracer 24 May 2020 16: 03 New
                  -3
                  We played with these lodges, came to the conclusion of garbage ... the trunk on the Mosyans is a bit thin the groups go up very much upside down depending on the temperature of the trunk. Heats up quickly. Replaced the barrel with an American thicker and shorter. From the mosquito only the shutter group remained. The trigger and then from Timney set. And there’s an order of magnitude more from him than from the new lodge.
                2. AllBiBek
                  AllBiBek 24 May 2020 16: 24 New
                  -3
                  Yes, I can roughly imagine the picture in this area.
                  And the United States in first place in the world in the number of tride printers per capita.

                  And while this area will be taken under confident control - well, all these whales and bulppapp kits made of plastic for iron - will be inexpensive.
      2. martin-159
        martin-159 24 May 2020 15: 00 New
        0
        To any plastic butt, a shock-absorbing butt plate is somehow attached.
        1. KCA
          KCA 24 May 2020 15: 22 New
          -2
          Only glue to carbon fiber, or screw, but on the reverse side, inside the butt, a hefty washer, curved along the butt profile, the carbon fiber itself has a nail thickness, or even less, well, if they just do not have a Soviet composite, 2-3 layer of fiberglass, glued with epoxy :-)
  3. Catfish
    Catfish 24 May 2020 14: 09 New
    +3
    An interesting shotgun solution. As a weapon of self-defense, it will certainly be good, but hardly for hunting.
    It is possible to recharge through the window from the bottom like a conventional shotgun.
    1. cost
      cost 24 May 2020 14: 16 New
      +1
      Kel-Tec KSG (Kel-Tec ShotGun) is a shotgun developed by Kel-Tec CNC Industries, known for its innovative and original designs for the civilian market. The Kel-Tec KSG shotgun was first introduced at the 2011 Shot Show in Las Vegas.
      Kel-Tec KSG - a smoothbore gun with a longitudinally sliding forearm (pump-action reloading), built according to the bullpup scheme, the main feature of which is the presence of two parallel-mounted tubular magazines located horizontally under the barrel, each of which holds up to 7 rounds of 12 caliber . Meals are provided only from one of the stores. The supply store is changed by means of a switch located at the bottom of the receiver behind the pistol grip. The extreme positions of the switch are determined by the supplying or equipped magazine, and the central one allows you to discharge the chamber with full magazines, which allows you to quickly change the type of cartridge in the barrel.

      Characteristics
      Length, mm 663
      Barrel length, mm 470
      Width, mm 76
      Height, mm 178
      Cartridge 12/70 or 12/76
      Caliber mm 18,5
      Principles of operation of pump action weapons
      Type of ammunition 14 (7 + 7) rounds of 12/70 caliber
      12 (6 + 6) rounds of 12/76 caliber
      Dioptric removable sight, there is a Picatinny rail for the installation of various sights
      From myself I will add that Kel-Tec KSG looks very similar to the South African Neostead
    2. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 24 May 2020 14: 53 New
      -1
      They now have all the decisions, as far as I keep track, dancing from "feel like a cool hero of this or that movie, in the back of your house, playing there with your new shotgun."

      It is this one that suggests itself as something from the "Aliens" universe with a couple of solutions for a specific state and in a specific amount. State - where rifled except for a short-barreled one is prohibited, and even then a revolver and even then a certain caliber, and the amount is five hundred bucks, of which 400 for the appearance.
      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 24 May 2020 23: 00 New
        -2
        Quote: AllBiBek
        They now have all the decisions, as far as I keep track, dancing from "feel like a cool hero of this or that movie, in the back of your house, playing there with your new shotgun."

        Something you are not tracking, apparently. Remington, Mossberg and all others have quite a classic in catalogs. Of course, without tactical units designed for fans to play with soldiers, it also does not do. We, however, have a similar story: most civilian Kalashoids target a similar audience.
  4. ssergey1978
    ssergey1978 24 May 2020 14: 11 New
    0
    Better than Saigi, no weapons.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 24 May 2020 14: 18 New
      +2
      There is a Kalashnikov assault rifle 7,62x39. smile
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 24 May 2020 14: 52 New
        +4
        Quote: ssergey1978
        Better than Saigi, no weapons.

        Quote: Sea Cat
        There is a Kalashnikov assault rifle 7,62x39.


        "It’s bad to live without a gun, especially if a neighbor has a machine gun" recourse .
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 24 May 2020 15: 04 New
          +1
          Especially in the outback:
      2. ssergey1978
        ssergey1978 24 May 2020 16: 40 New
        0
        How is ak103 different from Saigi MK?
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 24 May 2020 16: 47 New
          0
          Weird question. And what is the difference between a combat weapon and a hunting one?
          First of all, a translator of the fire mode, in addition, AK103 provides seats for attaching a 40 mm grenade launcher or bayonet-knife and a side bar for installing optical and night sights.
          1. ssergey1978
            ssergey1978 24 May 2020 16: 57 New
            -1
            Yes, you didn’t hold Saigi in your hands, scream. Swallows tail has always been. Now do not cut the mount under the gutter and bayonet knife. Auto fire is not formally. But I don't need him
            1. ApJlekuHo
              ApJlekuHo 24 May 2020 17: 29 New
              0
              Car racing and AK103 is needed in rare cases.
            2. Catfish
              Catfish 24 May 2020 17: 43 New
              0
              The whole point is that you, from some point of view, think that everyone should hold Saigu in his hands. And who, besides you, needs it? There are plenty of trunks on hand, and this is not necessarily Saiga, there are better samples if they have money, of course.
              1. ssergey1978
                ssergey1978 24 May 2020 17: 50 New
                -1
                You have no trunk, no Saigi no Sabatti.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 24 May 2020 18: 08 New
                  +1
                  I have a piece of BM-16 with chrome trunks choke-pay, walnut, locks with colors of discoloration, engraving. With the money that this gun costs, you can buy half a dozen of your saigas. hi
                  1. ssergey1978
                    ssergey1978 24 May 2020 18: 41 New
                    -1
                    you would have boasted a berdank, it is also expensive. I need a weapon and not a runaway
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 24 May 2020 18: 45 New
                      +1
                      I do not brag about anything, but I am talking about real things. And if you need a weapon, then go to the store and buy it and do not advertise here for conversion weapons products.
                      1. ssergey1978
                        ssergey1978 24 May 2020 18: 53 New
                        0
                        I do not advertise, but share my thoughts on the subject that I have owned for 20 years. You got into a remark that is not true, you were pointed out to this.
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              2. Korax71
                Korax71 24 May 2020 23: 24 New
                -1
                Judging by your epithets, you haven’t invested even a period of possession of weapons of 20 years of knowledge in this area. Your comment is higher, what is the difference between AK and saigas in the same caliber 7.62x39? This is a rifling step. On saiges-305-320mm , AKM-240. There was a small batch to zero in increments of 240 mm, but there is a pin barrel. About the difference in the shape of the rifling fields between civilian and army weapons, you probably also did not hear?
              3. ssergey1978
                ssergey1978 25 May 2020 03: 30 New
                -1
                God, how smart. The shape of the rifling is different for Saiga 5.45 but the chan is the same. The difference in the pitch of the rifling at 7.62, even for the benefit of 320 mm, is optimal, re-stabilization is underway at 240. 240 is needed for firing long bullets such as a tracer
  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek 24 May 2020 14: 47 New
    +1
    Yeah, better than a wife there is no woman.
    Especially when it is the first, and the only, and the second - for ideological reasons.
    1. ssergey1978
      ssergey1978 24 May 2020 16: 42 New
      +3
      Not the only one. Saiga verified by barbaric use, better not without options. Moreover, both in the smooth-bore version and in the rifled one. Regarding USU, I saw people who bought weapons for 100-200 thousand and did not have any advantages.
      1. AllBiBek
        AllBiBek 24 May 2020 16: 54 New
        -3
        Damn, after all, the cost of a car does not at all reflect its automotive qualities on public roads, and off-road, right?

        Saiga cannot be killed precisely because it is initially stillborn, but it is revived by anything. From "to remove the burrs with grandfather's file" to "to weigh with everything you can and cannot".

        But in terms of use in the quality in which it is positioned - namely, as a hunting weapon - even after peeling it, even with straight hands and competently, like that ...
        1. ssergey1978
          ssergey1978 24 May 2020 17: 00 New
          +3
          For 20 years, I did not take the file. Benefit on the hunt. The number of Saigas is used by such a number of people around the world that it is strange to call her stillborn.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 24 May 2020 15: 15 New
    0
    Then the best of shotguns and not even weapons, but given that on the basis of AK then AK is the best and this is from him already.
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 24 May 2020 16: 56 New
      -3
      The best shotgun today is a large-caliber howitzer loaded with shots over the entire mass of the shell, and at the same distance at which the shotgun is used.
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 24 May 2020 14: 17 New
    -3
    12x76.
    It is suitable for home protection.
    since it can use any type of cartridge of 12 gauges,
    This is a 12 gauge pump for a Magnum cartridge - there, for any b / p 12 cal, it interferes and works. What is the trick of such an advertisement, besides the advertisement itself? . Moreover, for a home weapon of self-defense, the Magnum cartridge is redundant in power and, on such a light short, gives an unnecessary extra return with appropriate accuracy
    1. tracer
      tracer 24 May 2020 15: 56 New
      -3
      What parasite has minus you? You are absolutely right.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 24 May 2020 16: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: tracer
        What parasite has minus you? You are absolutely right.

        Yes, there are hamsters offended here - not specifically on the branch, but in general .. I do not mind laughing
        1. tracer
          tracer 24 May 2020 16: 56 New
          -2
          More and more of them become on any topic. The site’s policy is to drag everyone and everything no matter whom, and make a welded hype in order to find out who is wrong on the Internet. Nothing personal .. business. Therefore, such nonsense is sometimes written that you are amazed. Hype is omnipotent ... he is.
      2. tracer
        tracer 24 May 2020 16: 52 New
        -3
        A double parasite minuser appears.
        1. KVU-NSVD
          KVU-NSVD 24 May 2020 16: 58 New
          +2
          That hi is having fun .. his revenge just makes me sick, I can’t find a place .. drinks
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 24 May 2020 14: 23 New
    +2
    A shotgun is extremely unsuitable for use by a person with a height above average.

    If "a person with a height above average" bought such a tsatsu for himself, and even for $ 495, then "extreme inconveniences" are exclusively his own problems. request
    But in general - do not care. “You never know Pedrov in Brazil? And you don’t think so!” ©, you cannot please everyone.
    1. tracer
      tracer 24 May 2020 14: 55 New
      -3
      Vasyan 495 dollars is a very low price for a shotgun. The local rednecks have a pumpkin fashion. Just a fashion. Nothing more. In addition, I have a wild suspicion that this company is planting the owners of its products on its service and spare parts. Who cares about making quality guns to shoot for decades? In America, you can’t do this in any way, you need to constantly push something in. Here and in the spare parts and service.
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 24 May 2020 16: 38 New
        0
        Quote: tracer
        $ 495 is a very low price for a shotgun.

        Maybe. I am far from that. request
        The thing is that having paid for a half-baked waffle on your own, having previously bathed, half a piece of bucks, then complain about the inconvenience - you have to be evil Pinocchio to yourself.
        1. tracer
          tracer 24 May 2020 17: 56 New
          -3
          The resource of this wunderwafer is limited ... I’ll indulge in a break and throw it away ... They have it, and there is a new model with beads, rhinestones and a rear-view mirror.
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 24 May 2020 18: 06 New
            0
            Quote: tracer
            and there is a new model with beads, rhinestones and a rearview mirror.

            And a 100500 megapixel camera. wassat
  • tracer
    tracer 24 May 2020 14: 26 New
    0
    KEL TEC is doing very interesting things. Structural solutions are sometimes just brilliant, the reliability is really mediocre. An abundance of impact-resistant plastic and where you need good steel .. However, the pump-action shotgun itself, as a reloading system, is outdated. The designers tried to breathe new life into it by making it more futuristic. Marketing is nothing more. I would like to see how from this "ghana" a hare from under a hound to take, or a duck flying in, or on a "ladder" or "skeet". In America there is such a fashion to buy Schaub Bulo weapons. For example, to throw such a barrel into an old Ford clunker with a Cummins engine from the Carboniferous period, or a tractor, or UTV and drive around the grandfather's ranch without pulling it out of the car for years ... This is "no need to kill hunting and animals." then, to scare the coyote, to talk about it, too, has not been canceled. Here are the purposes of this device.
    1. YOUR
      YOUR 24 May 2020 14: 35 New
      +2
      In America there is such a fashion to buy weapons "shob bulo"

      In principle, we have the same thing. Buying a smooth-bore weapon for self-defense and with our laws, other than "shob bulo" can not be called.
      1. tracer
        tracer 24 May 2020 14: 35 New
        -4
        Where is yours? I guess it's in Russia. Well, not everything is so bad in Russia with the legislation and the arms market. Trust me. Pistols and a separate topic for discus. Everything is clear and supporters arguments and opponents. But I personally somehow jar when representatives of a completely non-Slavic nation of completely different skin colors shoot from TT praising. It jars because our grandmothers and grandfathers clearly did not do it for their hands. And for ours, to protect their fatherland. Lyrics, of course, but I just can't get rid of this feeling. "It's a shame for the state" ...
        1. YOUR
          YOUR 24 May 2020 14: 36 New
          +1
          It is in Russia
    2. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 24 May 2020 16: 48 New
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      Quote: tracer
      I would like to see how from this "ghana" a hare from under a hound to take, or a duck in flight, or on a "ladder" or "skeet".

      Judging by
      Due to its compact size, the shotgun is convenient for firing from a vehicle, according to American authors.
      и
      Convenience to protect your home and shoot from a car - the most relevant things for weapons from an American point of view.
      it is unlikely that anyone with this prodigy will learn the features of the American national hunt. request Not for that it is sold there.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 May 2020 14: 56 New
    +2
    A powerful and original shotgun. Bullpup. Barrel 470 mm with a total length of over 600. For the defense of the house and site? Well, everyone has their own taste ... Americans like "more powerful", in their cardboard houses and buckshot will go through the walls through and through. Is everyone preparing for a zombie invasion? tongue
    1. tracer
      tracer 24 May 2020 15: 31 New
      -2
      What do you think is the "power" of a shotgun? In my opinion, and not only, power is a physical term and is measured in "watts". Shotgun power is definitely something new in physics.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 24 May 2020 15: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: tracer
        And what do you think is the "power" of a shotgun

        In the patron, sir. That said, Magnum, 12/76! A powerful cartridge, and determines the power of the shotgun. It is also possible in joules ...
        1. tracer
          tracer 24 May 2020 15: 55 New
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          So the cartridge is all the same powerful? It doesn’t matter, but in America, mm is not used in rifle calibers. AVAILABLE in the market 2, 2,5, or 3 inch long. You are talking about him. Recoil from him like a horse with a hoof ...))) in this bulpap he will throw and his ears will fly to the wrong side ...
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 24 May 2020 18: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: tracer
            in this bulpap will toss and ears will fly to the wrong side ...

            The video is not very hoofed, like ears remained in place ...
          2. Timeout
            Timeout 27 May 2020 08: 26 New
            +2
            Quote: tracer
            AVAILABLE in the market 2

            Wow, two-inch sleeves ... Probably specially for the "tracer".
            Quote: tracer
            Return from him like a horse with a hoof ...)))

            This is a 3 3/4 return.
  • Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 24 May 2020 15: 19 New
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    The best weapon, which without firing a single shot, made the enemy capitulate.
    1. tracer
      tracer 24 May 2020 16: 20 New
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      Booze probably .... They poisoned all the Indians. They tried us in the nineties. ”Royale, remember?
    2. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 24 May 2020 18: 12 New
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      Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
      The best weapon, which without firing a single shot, made the enemy capitulate.

      Was it like that?
      1. AllBiBek
        AllBiBek 24 May 2020 19: 04 New
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        It was.
        Trojan horse, for example.
        He did not shoot.
        And those who got out of it were also without a firearm.
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 24 May 2020 22: 55 New
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          Quote: AllBiBek
          It was.
          Trojan horse, for example.

          Was there a horse? No.
          And even if he was, then whom did he make capitulate? wassat
          1. AllBiBek
            AllBiBek 24 May 2020 23: 35 New
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            At the time of her death, Troy was in the financial system of that world a cross between Zurich and Geneva in the same way - for the world today.

            The world came to a quarter of a thousand years, and never again became the same.
            1. Vasyan1971
              Vasyan1971 24 May 2020 23: 44 New
              -1
              Was there a horse? No.
              And even if he was, then whom did he make capitulate? wassat ©
  • About 2
    About 2 25 May 2020 03: 26 New
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    The author forgot to tell how many screws or screws are used to assemble both plastic halves of the steel box.
  • impostor
    impostor 25 May 2020 07: 40 New
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    Brutal contraption. Stopudovo is used when shooting the seventh terminator. But it is painfully narrow-minded - melee and nothing more. For hunting and practical shooting is not applicable. Apparently, it’s impossible to install in the appendage to the regular sighting (for example, a collimator), unless you take down all the brutality of the grinder and do not carry out deep peeling events.
  • KSVK
    KSVK 25 May 2020 16: 38 New
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    Quote: KVU-NSVD
    12x76.
    It is suitable for home protection.
    since it can use any type of cartridge of 12 gauges,
    This is a 12 gauge pump for a Magnum cartridge - there, for any b / p 12 cal, it interferes and works.

    The 89th cartridge most likely will not fit. And if it fits, then shoot them ... well, a little presumptuous. :)