On the "modest friends" of the Reich: how the West collaborated with Nazi Germany

One of the topics discussed regarding the pre-war stories, is connected with the supply that the Soviet Union provided to the Third Reich. This individual historians and politicians blame the Soviet leadership. Allegedly, if not for this supply, there would have been no Second World War, there would have been no attack on the Soviet Union itself.

Deliveries to Germany from the USSR in the 1930s would be foolish to deny. Indeed, the USSR supplied various goods, including energy, to the Third Reich. But only the position in which they see exclusively Soviet trade with Nazi Germany looks extremely strange. As if other European countries in the 30s did not engage in trade relations with Hitler, as if they were denying themselves the opportunity to use the German market.

This position is similar to the position of liberal historians, including representatives of this science from Eastern Europe, about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. For some reason, agreements and treaties with Germany signed by European countries are not mentioned, but the Soviet-German agreement signed by one of the latter is constantly mentioned.

The Eternal Patriotic Program talks about the parameters of Soviet-German cooperation, which today some experts are clearly inclined to exaggerate. For example, commodity circulation between the USSR and Germany by 1937 decreased by 5 times in comparison with the figures of the year 1932, when Hitler was not yet in power.

From the movie:

But in Western democracies, it was just the opposite.

These democracies are called "Hitler's humble friends."

The video, prepared by the Russian Ministry of Defense, talks about the cooperation of Western countries with the Third Reich:

Comments

[Courier]

by 1937 decreased by 5 times compared with the year 1932

And between 1939 and 41?

When the war was already on

[Basil50]

In 1939, two outright enemies of the SOVIET UNION began a war among themselves. The fact that the French-Englishmen were on the side of the Poles did not change the balance of power. Enemies of the Soviet Union interlocked.
For the forgetful, the French and the British planned in 1940 to bombard the oil fields of the North Caucasus; they began to plan the bombing back in 1936. To do this, in Syria and Iran began to build military bases and airfields for bombers. Similar military bases and airfields were built by the British and French in Finland.
In 1939, a loan agreement was signed between Germany and the Soviet Union under which the Germans supplied machine tools and equipment, even weapons. THE SOVIET UNION supplied raw materials for the repayment of the loan. This is exactly what is interpreted in Europe and by them * grunting * as financing of the Germans. I don’t remember the exact numbers, but with the Germans, for the loan granted in 1939, the SOVIET UNION finally paid after 1945.

[Procyon lotor]

SOVIET UNION counted loan repayment raw materials. This is exactly what is interpreted in Europe and by them * grunting * as financing of the Germans. I don’t remember the exact numbers, but with the Germans, for the loan granted in 1939, the SOVIET UNION finally paid after 1945.

And you might think that all these damned Western capitalists provided loans free of charge? Although, if you want so much not to notice the truth, then you can not interpret it that way.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Vasily50

I don’t remember the exact numbers, but with the Germans, for the loan granted in 1939, the SOVIET UNION finally paid off after 1945

What is it like?! He returned the loan to the government of Nazi Germany or Hitler personally? Is indemnity and reparation such a loan return? You think you write that.

[NF68]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Quote: Vasily50

I don’t remember the exact numbers, but with the Germans, for the loan granted in 1939, the SOVIET UNION finally paid off after 1945

What is it like?! He returned the loan to the government of Nazi Germany or Hitler personally? Is indemnity and reparation such a loan return? You think you write that.

Have the loan returned? Go also "gold"?

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

but with the Germans, for the loan granted in 1939, the SOVIET UNION finally paid off after 1945.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Planning the bombing began in 1936.

what nonsense?

To do this, in Syria .... began to build military bases and airfields for bombers

The French did not build anything in Syria in 1936. According to the 36th military convention, Mandated Syria provided France with two air bases on its territory.

[Basil50]

The Germans signed an agreement on paying off a debt on a state loan in my opinion already in 1947.
For the ignorant, on May 9, 1945, Nazi Germany signed * Unconditional Surrender *

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

as far as I remember, in connection with the war and, consequently, the loss of trade partners, in the import of the Reich, the USSR rose from 32nd place in 1935 to 6th in 39th.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer

as far as I remember, in connection with the war and, consequently, the loss of trade partners, in the import of the Reich, the USSR rose from 32nd place in 1935 to 6th in 39th.

I dare to ask - who then occupied the first 5 places in this list? And with what margin did the 6th place trade volume with the USSR go compared to the 5th place?

[rocket757]

Who wanted, he had known about this for a long time.
And who does not want to know this, so to him at least that way, though that way .... differently, not as he wants, he still will not.

[codetalker]

Here is what you need to understand. Everything you have written is true for us adults. I myself sometimes have the thought about some resonant question: "Yes, as much as you can talk about it, all who wanted to figure it out a hundred times already." But we must not forget that new generations are growing, and we should not allow the mass spread of liberal lies in their midst, by analogy with the 80-90s.

[rocket757]

Pupils, here, especially not. All that should be taught at school ... Schaub did not have any boys! If they don’t give a sho at school, it is necessary to fill in the family ..... gaps! Otherwise, nothing will remain of us as a NATION.

[codetalker]

There is no particular hope for school yet, but in order to instill something in the family, you need the right information field in society as a whole. At the age of 14, more than believing in “dullness” of parents and grandparents is to believe in nonsense on the Internet.

[rocket757]

Quote: codetalker

the correct information field in society as a whole.

This is a dream or a myth, it doesn’t matter. It is necessary to work, to teach in the environment that is ... life does not stand still, while going, waiting, it may happen that the train has already left!

[Sayan]

Quote: codetalker

There is no particular hope for school yet, but in order to instill something in the family, you need the right information field in society as a whole. At the age of 14, more than believing in “dullness” of parents and grandparents is to believe in nonsense on the Internet.

And you know, in a juvenile head through massage
knowledge goes well with a belt, and after 14 through the jaw with my fist - I inspired my own way - for the Russian, not the 2nd World War, but the Great Patriotic War, well, in Leningrad and the region I dragged through cemeteries, starting from Piskarevsky, dragged him along the road of life. Well, for a week without a break he had been watching the chronicle of those years for dessert, starting with the movie ordinary fascism. True, a generation of parents has already grown up brought up on post-Soviet, anti-Soviet propaganda .... Yes, we need ideology and propaganda at the state level, but not pseudo-patriotism, but real patriotism, and to educate at home, even if only by my methods - a fist that fell into the jaw and the word clears up consciousness better than just a word.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

straight "A Clockwork Orange".

Well, bring up at home, even if only by my methods - a fist caught in the jaw and the word

and you did not overdo it with domestic violence? Hammering a child with a clenched fist in the head - this seems to me, sorry, parental idiocy.

[Dart2027]

Like this:

[Dart]

Write something else like that shit, and the editors will close you, finally ..

[Mikhail Tynda]

The Non-Aggression Pact is not a document of alliance. And in what place did the USSR enter the war on the side of Germany? Entered after the actual collapse of Poland as a state. To protect ethnically close people. And how do you characterize Munich? When did they end up with a normally functioning country?

[Oleg Zorin]

See the difference or suggest?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Oleg Zorin

see or tell

So what difference should I see?

[Basil50]

More recently, the Poles, when they asked the EU for what they just didn’t tell themselves, up to the point that five million (5000000) Poles with weapons in their hands in a single outburst with the Europeans, albeit under the command of the Germans, fought against the SOVIET UNION.
Today it’s not only the Poles who play pride in their own population about national pride, and if earlier they considered pride * resistance * this is when the Germans were hiding in the back of the Germans behind a window curtain. Then heroism was declared * survival * in the occupation at all costs. Today in Europe, they argue that the Germans are being carriers of European values ​​with * unfortunate extremes * against Jews.
Europeans are reviewing their own views on their own history. They even calculate the losses from the fact that the RED ARMY crushed the Nazis and their lackeys.

[Snarkxnumx]

They made a little mistake with zeros.
The regional army (300-350 thousand people), which fought against the Red Army from 1940 to 1945 on the territory of Belarus, Ukraine and Poland. Well, about 500-600 thousand Poles, who fought as part of the Wehrmacht and the SS, remain proudly silent in Warsaw. I’m silent about the grandfather of the current EU President Donald Tusk Joseph Tusk, who served in the SS. (Alexander Borisovich Shirokorad - writer)

[Basil50]

Nooo, not mistaken. The Poles wrote precisely about the five million Poles who served the Nazis with weapons in their hands. The Poles wrote in their media that * they didn’t spare the very color of the nation in the treasury of the overthrow of the hated TIPS *

[knn54]

Hjalmar Schacht, president of the Reichsbank, told the American prosecutor at the Nürberg Trials: "If you want to indict the industrialists who helped to rearm Germany, you must indict yourself."

[anjey]

Here, here, this saved many German industrialists from a fair trial, many companies had joint shares and capital with the Americans, one elderly and sick Krupp Sr. swelled, but not for long.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: anjey

one elderly and sick Krupp Sr. swelled, but not for long.

in general, in the cases "USA against Friedrich Flick", "USA against IS Farben", "USA against Krupp", not only Krupp sat down, but 30 leaders of different levels. Of course, these were sacred sacrifices. The figure of Flick seems to me the most interesting - this one was one of the first to consider the potential of Hitler and began to finance him, for which, of course, he received luxurious preferences. In general, he would not have received his seven years in "small Nuremberg" if it were not for membership in the NSDAP.

[anjey]

Yes, they tried to sue the son of Krupp, who since 1941 became the owner of the company, but still the bulk of the industrialists escaped with a slight fright, like many military ranks of the middle hand, so to say obedient executors of the oath and the military code, the Yankees and recaptured them and bleached in Nuremberg, so as not to set a precedent for themselves in the future, since an aggressive aggressive military policy has always been in the US in the first place ....

[zwlad]

It is a pity that in Soviet times we were not hammered in all this. Maybe now there would be fewer rewriters of history. But then it was impossible to spoil the reputation of fraternal peoples.

[rocket757]

Half true, it is always dangerous.

[Charik]

and also add the bush of the banker's grandfather or whoever he was there, and sympathetic amersky financiers + rich Jews - their own "commoners" were taken to their homeland - the rest were in the furnace, the same Englishmen sold ore to the fascists when the war was going on

[babylon]

At that time, Stalin was doing everything right, but if you look through the eyes of today, then Stalin made a mistake,
It was not necessary to smash Germany to complete surrender, it was necessary to stop the troops on the Polish German border and declare a truce (now it’s fashionable, but for us all kinds of cease-fires are, as always, not in our favor) and if the Germans were well entertained by the Western allies
I wonder what would end this alignment?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: vavilon

I wonder what would end this alignment?

For Russia / USSR nothing good. If only because neither Hungary, nor Romania, nor Finland would have been withdrawn from the war in this case, and even a lie about the Katyn Poles could force even more to serve the Nazis.

[babylon]

I meant that all the East European countries, as happened in the trailer, came under the control of Moscow, but only Germany did not have to decide on statehood and the political system at that time
I think in this case, Germany would hardly have decided on a second campaign to the east, especially when all the eastern countries were already under the control of Moscow, but in the west they would surely have raped everyone headed by the Anglo-Saxons
And Stalin then won
would have two victories at the same time
I think that the Germans would make such a compromise with Stalin in the 44th with pleasure
And Stalin would have won two victories at the same time.
And today, Europe would not be influenced by the Anglo-Saxons and American bases around Russia would not stand.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: vavilon

when all the eastern countries were already under the control of Moscow, but in the west they would surely have raped everyone headed by the Anglo-Saxons
And Stalin then won
would have two victories at the same time

In this case, the Anglo-Saxons would have every right to a separate peace. And there would be no "two victories".

[babylon]

I don’t think Germany would go take off to this world after their betrayal, well, even if so then Europe would not be under the control of the Anglo-Saxons.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

some nonsense. What are you carrying?

[babylon]

For some reason, neither documentaries nor evidence are found anywhere. What provoked such hatred among the Germans towards Jews, because nothing happens just like that.

[Dart2027]

Quote: vavilon

it provoked such hatred among the Germans towards the Jews

And this is a fact - everyone did not like Jews, both in the Middle Ages and in the 20th century. I don’t know why, but until recently it was so almost everywhere.

[babylon]

Yes, but there is no smoke without fire, there must be some good reason for this, and for some reason everyone is silent about it.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: vavilon

What triggered such hatred among the Germans towards Jews, because nothing just happens

Read the memoir of Albert Speer, and everything will become clear.

[babylon]

Where can I find them?
And why are they not made public?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: vavilon

Where can I find them?
And why are they not made public?

In the late 90s, these memoirs came out in a paper edition, I bought in Kaliningrad. In electronic form, downloading or reading is not a problem. He writes interestingly and the language is good.

[babylon]

I found many thanks for the hint, I certainly read it, but it would still be nice
make everything public and back up with documentary shootings and facts

[tihonmarine]

Quote: vavilon

I found many thanks for the help, I certainly read

Especially delve into the childhood of Speer, who came in the post-war years of WWI.

[AU Ivanov.]

Flibusta to help you. Everything is there, or almost everything.

[tihonmarine]

These democracies are called "Hitler's humble friends."

Yes, these are not friends, but simply "Hitler's henchmen." The whole west worked for him.

[Free wind]

Please remove the video clips. Well tired already.

[AML]

Quote: vavilon

At that time, Stalin was doing everything right, but if you look through the eyes of today, then Stalin made a mistake,
It was not necessary to smash Germany to complete surrender, it was necessary to stop the troops on the Polish German border and declare a truce (now it’s fashionable, but for us all kinds of cease-fires are, as always, not in our favor) and if the Germans were well entertained by the Western allies
I wonder what would end this alignment?

The alignment would have ended with Operation Unthinkable and, with a high degree of probability, atomic bombs fell not on Japan, but on the USSR.

[AML]

Quote: vavilon

For some reason, neither documentaries nor evidence are found anywhere. What provoked such hatred among the Germans towards Jews, because nothing happens just like that.

I met Old that it was an attempt to voluntarily and forcibly resettle the Jews to the "Promised Land". And the forest is being cut, the chips are flying.
I’m not at all a Zionist, but no matter what the trouble, the paisans stick out everywhere, so I don’t think that hatred of Jews is so unreasonable.

[Alien From]

The West in its current understanding and fed the Nazi degenerates !!!!! However, as now ....... only now is it anti ....... globalists ...... and other eco ......... activists and liberals ...... ... grow .......

[Zeev Zeev]

For some reason, agreements and treaties with Germany signed by European countries are not mentioned, but the Soviet-German agreement signed by one of the latter is constantly mentioned.

Or maybe the fact is that the Soviet-German agreement is one of the few that operated during the Second World War?

[strannik1985]

Or maybe the fact is that the Soviet-German agreement is one of the few that operated during the Second World War?

AND? T.N. the Allies clearly demonstrated their unwillingness to fight during the Moscow talks in the summer of 1939 and in September of that year, in fact betraying Poland.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Or maybe the fact is that the Soviet-German agreement is one of the few that operated during the Second World War?

Then why, dear, you are not making a claim to the Soviet-Japanese agreement, which was in effect until the very end of this very war?

[Zeev Zeev]

Because the trade cooperation of the USSR and Japan from 1941 to 1945 did not concern my family. Anyway, here we are talking about cooperation between the Nazis and the Communists.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Because the trade cooperation of the USSR and Japan from 1941 to 1945 did not concern my family.

Ah, well, everything is clear with you - another variation on "my hut is on the edge" ...

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Anyway, here we are talking about cooperation between the Nazis and the Communists.

What's the difference? Imperial Yapi did not differ much from the Nazis ... Unless with a national touch ...
And yes - then you are worried about how the American company Standart Oil at the height of the war (!) Collaborated with IG Farbenindustri, and also took part in the development of Romanian oil ...
And it turns out op-pa - the collaboration of capitalists and Nazis ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Which operated during the Second World War?

And that the USSR signed some agreements with them about Germany? And, by the way, who there brought the matter to the point of World War II, with such masterpieces as "Munich Agreement" and "Strange War"?

[Cypa]

Quote: Procyon Lotor

SOVIET UNION counted loan repayment raw materials. This is exactly what is interpreted in Europe and by them * grunting * as financing of the Germans. I don’t remember the exact numbers, but with the Germans, for the loan granted in 1939, the SOVIET UNION finally paid after 1945.
what kind of news is new. what loan, to whom did they give it? Bredyatina

And you might think that all these damned Western capitalists provided loans free of charge? Although, if you want so much not to notice the truth, then you can not interpret it that way.

[Dormidont Evlampievich]

Seeing how our Western and Middle Eastern partners are helping Russia fight terrorists in Syria, it’s strange how the USSR defeated Germany with their help.