The reason for the fall of the F-35 in the United States could be a complete set of unlicensed parts

The reason for the fall of the F-35 in the United States could be a complete set of unlicensed parts

The fall of two fifth-generation American fighters during the week put Washington in a difficult position. The time has come to announce at least the preliminary results of the investigation about the causes of the F-22 and F-35 accidents, but no official information has yet been provided.


This suggests that it is not beneficial for the United States to disclose information about the specific causes of these two accidents that occurred with aviationassigned to the Eglin military base.

Recall that initially, several versions were voiced in the United States press regarding the causes of the incident. Among these versions there was one that corresponded to technical problems associated with a possible low level of maintenance.

It is worth noting that about a year ago, the American troops themselves shared with the press difficulties in servicing F-35 fighters. The greatest difficulty was caused by the work of the logistics program, which should provide airbases with components for the maintenance of combat aircraft.

As noted, the program malfunctioned, and therefore often produced results that said that the ordered part would arrive at the air base in “several decades”. In such conditions of uncertainty, the US military was even forced to establish independent 3D printing of individual parts of the fifth generation fighter. But in order to carry out the replacement of a part “in the hangar” by the forces of the military personnel themselves, it was necessary to “make adjustments” to the software so that the program would not perceive the replaced part as something foreign.

The manufacturer responded to such an initiative, to put it mildly, with disapproval, noting that when the F-35 was equipped with unlicensed parts and components, the aircraft will be withdrawn from the maintenance program (in simple terms: removed from the warranty).

In such a situation, it can be assumed that problems with the F-35 could arise due to the use of parts that the military themselves create. For obvious reasons, admitting this to the Pentagon is extremely risky. Indeed, in such a situation, this will raise a number of questions from those countries that have already received their batches of F-35, and these questions will affect both the systematic supply from the manufacturer and the costly updating of on-board software. Therefore, the investigation will drag on for a long time, in the end, to come up with an answer that can satisfy both the US military and the manufacturer of fighters and its customers in other countries.
Ctrl Enter

Noticed a mistake Highlight text and press. Ctrl + Enter

76 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. Instruktor 24 May 2020 09: 08 New
    • 10
    • 4
    +6
    Did the Chinese try?
    1. Vladimir61 24 May 2020 09: 12 New
      • 12
      • 1
      +11
      Quote: Instruktor
      Did the Chinese try?

      Do not prompt! And then in the State Department, so that there would be no kopipas with VO, they would add, "... ... at the direction of the Kremlin!"
      1. Instruktor 24 May 2020 12: 35 New
        • 3
        • 2
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir61
        Quote: Instruktor
        Did the Chinese try?

        Do not prompt! And then in the State Department, so that there would be no kopipas with VO, they would add, "... ... at the direction of the Kremlin!"

        They love to take comments from here, to scare their "people")))
        Nothing good for them!
        1. Abbot 24 May 2020 14: 09 New
          • 7
          • 3
          +4
          It is worth noting that about a year ago, the American troops themselves shared with the press difficulties in servicing F-35 fighters. The greatest difficulty was caused by the work of the logistics program, which should provide airbases with components for the maintenance of combat aircraft.

          Recently, after the F-22 accident, notes appeared on some specialized American sites, saying that out of 187, only about 30 units were in service. And for the same reasons - maintenance difficulties, failures in the provision of components. It must be understood that spare parts are removed from other aircraft. Something went wrong in the US military industry. Well, hurt yourself! Let them take apart their combat aircraft. We don’t mind, right? )))
    2. halpat 24 May 2020 09: 25 New
      • 9
      • 0
      +9
      Quote: Instruktor
      Did the Chinese try?

      Judging by the text of the article, local American left-handers “flea” were savvy, in a hangar, they bought a 3D printer, you know :)
      but it’s known that a savvy flea has stopped dancing ...
    3. Ravil_Asnafovich 24 May 2020 09: 30 New
      • 3
      • 0
      +3
      Yes, no, local krivoruky kulibin.
    4. 210ox 24 May 2020 09: 43 New
      • 6
      • 0
      +6
      The Chinese are doing better than these. Exceptional.
      1. Instruktor 24 May 2020 09: 51 New
        • 3
        • 2
        +1
        Quote: 210ox
        The Chinese are doing better than these. Exceptional.

        I agree ! But bullshit still comes across a one-time ..
        1. abrakadabre 24 May 2020 10: 09 New
          • 5
          • 2
          +3
          I agree ! But bullshit still comes across a one-time ..
          Simply, the Chinese have learned how to dose quality very much. As much as you pay, you get such a quality thing.
          1. Instruktor 24 May 2020 12: 42 New
            • 6
            • 2
            +4
            Quote: abrakadabre
            I agree ! But bullshit still comes across a one-time ..
            Simply, the Chinese have learned how to dose quality very much. As much as you pay, you get such a quality thing.

            Well, I don’t know .. The Chinese have learned how to make devices strictly under the guarantee .. The guarantee is over, throw the device out .. Everything is being strewed!
            With the great I’m struggling with my next son, HORROR !!!!! .. Everything is in full swing, how the warranty is over (1 year, already bought a second for 15 thousand) Well, what the hell? I’m silent about the cranes, the floor of the storage room is unrepairable ..
            In the days of the USSR, for decades, they used all sorts of different things. negative
            1. abrakadabre 24 May 2020 13: 47 New
              • 1
              • 0
              +1
              Well I do not know ..
              We are talking about the same thing.
            2. dvina71 24 May 2020 14: 24 New
              • 3
              • 1
              +2
              Quote: Instruktor
              already bought the second for 15 thousand.

              As an old bicycle separator .. for 15t this is not great, even from Stealth .. Although they have at least a normal frame for this money, and you can even attach the attachment yourself ..
              Normal is great at least 25t.r .. Nifiga is not advertising, but I advise Merida TFS. My wife has been like this for 10 years, I rode the same for about five years .. but sold .. the frame was too small for me .. Now I have Stevens ... somehow I even regret that I changed Merida to him .. frame already had to cook ..
              1. DNkroz 24 May 2020 20: 00 New
                • 1
                • 0
                +1
                10 years ago I bought a two-suspension Merida in an XT body kit. Not a very expensive brand. Great then at a discount in late autumn cost $ 1.5k. Friends did not understand the waste, and just choosing a new one I realized that everything that is cheaper does not suit me. The experience was decent. And for 10 years I have not changed anything at all in it. And every time I sit on him just stoned. About 25t.r. I agree. Then a normal hardtail could be taken for 12k, taking into account the changed course and the general tendency to produce less reliable things, now it is 25k-30k.
        2. vkfriendly 25 May 2020 06: 48 New
          • 0
          • 0
          0
          What price is this and the goods, it has long been known. And the Chinese are in a hurry to meet the demand of all segments of the population, so that, as they say, no one is left in the loser.
      2. Joker62 24 May 2020 09: 53 New
        • 6
        • 2
        +4
        I wouldn’t say that, dear ... The Chinese are still those jerks, especially in the field of stripping other people's ideas and developments ... And quality and reliability - relatively speaking, so far at the baseboard level ... like a disposable condom ...
        1. your1970 24 May 2020 20: 28 New
          • 1
          • 2
          -1
          Quote: Joker62
          I wouldn’t say that, dear ... The Chinese are still those jerks, especially in the field of ripping off other people's ideas and developments ... And quality and reliability - relatively speaking, so far at the level of the plinth... like a disposable condom ...
          - it depends on the cost - which the buyer wants to see. The same Chinese sneakers and sneakers in the USSR were unkillable in principle, and even about thermoses, there’s even no talk.
          Now an instrument with equipment has come - ordinary wrenches, it’s no worse than the SSSrovskikh for sure - one already pulled with a meter pipe - even henna ....
          Everything rests on the cost
      3. Altona 24 May 2020 12: 51 New
        • 3
        • 0
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        The Chinese are doing better than these. Exceptional.

        ----------------------
        At first, Americans pump up the cost of their products (mostly with all kinds of "copyright" crap), then they complain that others are cheaper.
    5. Thrifty 24 May 2020 11: 41 New
      • 0
      • 1
      -1
      Truly, LohKid, make magem aircraft, and accessories to them are not in our competence wassat
    6. svp67 24 May 2020 12: 23 New
      • 3
      • 0
      +3
      Quote: Instruktor
      Did the Chinese try?

      Yes, there is a long list ...
      Countries participating in the program for creating F-35 fighters in addition to the United States: Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Turkey, Britain.
      1. T.Henks 24 May 2020 22: 24 New
        • 0
        • 0
        0
        They forgot to mention Russia. And her ditch program. Or did the wheel fall off?
  2. APASUS 24 May 2020 09: 14 New
    • 10
    • 1
    +9
    Ay, how did it happen? Here the sect of fans of American weapons simply prayed for 3D technology, but it may turn out that not everything is so straightforward and simple?
  3. Fedorov 24 May 2020 09: 17 New
    • 4
    • 2
    +2
    Yes, just an ordinary Driban roach, well, kickbacks. Results on the face.
    in the Pentagon, people are sitting. And do not disdain anything.
  4. Sancho_SP 24 May 2020 09: 24 New
    • 10
    • 1
    +9
    And you can not assume. Could and mouse burn to bite.

    The news itself is interesting, where the military (!), Themselves (!!), on a 3D printer (!!!) make spare parts for aircraft.
    1. knn54 24 May 2020 09: 29 New
      • 1
      • 1
      0
      Insect (Prusak, for example). Now they are trying to "identify" the origin.
      1. Insurgent 24 May 2020 09: 54 New
        • 11
        • 1
        +10
        Quote: knn54
        Insect (Prusak, for example). Now they are trying to "identify" the origin.

        I remember the picture fellow from the 90s when I saw a friend circle on a table-curbstone around the TV, sprinkled with yellow granules from cockroaches ... Straight "Wii" N.V. Gogol lol

        When I asked him what it means belay , he explained that the previously acquired and broken television set, the workshop refused to repair under warranty due to the presence of cockroaches inside the case wassat .

        I then mocked him that cockroaches trampled his chips laughing
        1. Mordvin 3 24 May 2020 09: 59 New
          • 5
          • 1
          +4
          Quote: Insurgent
          When I asked him what this meant, he explained that the previously purchased and broken TV, the workshop refused to repair under warranty because of the presence of cockroaches inside the case ...

          I then mocked him that cockroaches trampled his chips

          I, too, like a cockroach climbed into the radio. Two parts burned out, a safety lock and a cockroach. crying
          1. Insurgent 24 May 2020 10: 07 New
            • 9
            • 1
            +8
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            I, too, like a cockroach climbed into the radio. Two parts burned out, a safety lock and a cockroach.

            Conclusion - the survival of cockroaches in any conditions is greatly exaggerated! negative lol
        2. DymOk_v_dYmke 24 May 2020 12: 38 New
          • 5
          • 1
          +4
          Quote: Insurgent
          ... he explained that the previously purchased and broken television set, the workshop refused to repair under warranty because of the presence of cockroaches inside the case ...

          From the instructions:
          ... do not allow foreign objects, substances or creatures.
          hi
          1. Altona 24 May 2020 12: 53 New
            • 4
            • 0
            +4
            Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
            ... do not allow foreign objects, substances, or creatures to enter the device.

            ---------------------------
            As if a cockroach does not belong to the subjects mentioned in the instructions. They even "live" in their heads. laughing
  5. Hto tama 24 May 2020 09: 27 New
    • 1
    • 1
    0
    The situation is of course stalemate. laughing ideally, write off everything on weather conditions or on Turkish manufacturers of parts to withdraw them from the program participants wassat
  6. Magog 24 May 2020 09: 38 New
    • 5
    • 1
    +4
    "The F-35 does not meet the requirements for a fifth-generation fighter due to the impossibility of flying at supersonic speed without the use of afterburner, low thrust-weight ratio, relatively high ESR, as well as low survivability and maneuverability ... a total of about a thousand different defects were not eliminated .. .new naval fighter, the development of which became part of the most expensive military program in US history, is already outdated ... to prevent damage to the tail of the F-35 when traveling at supersonic speeds, instead of technical An operational solution will be subject to a long-term development and flight test, and it is noted that this solution will make it impossible for the F-35C to conduct supersonic intercepts. "
  7. sergo1914 24 May 2020 09: 42 New
    • 1
    • 7
    -6
    After reading the title, all users of unlicensed Windows involuntarily contracted ... how to formulate so as not to get a warning ...
  8. KVU-NSVD 24 May 2020 09: 45 New
    • 3
    • 1
    +2
    Therefore, the investigation will drag on for a long time, in the end, to come up with an answer that can satisfy both the US military and the manufacturer of fighters and its customers in other countries.
    Here’s the answer - they’re looking for not a reason, but a compromise solution - so that their heads do not fly and the verdict sounds convincing
  9. Pavel57 24 May 2020 09: 51 New
    • 1
    • 0
    +1
    Complete with unlicensed parts - is this possible in the US?
  10. A. Privalov 24 May 2020 09: 58 New
    • 7
    • 9
    -2
    At first glance, you can, of course, mock with all your heart - an occasion is what you need. But after some thought, sane people may well have a desire to wait until the publication of the official message.
    Shtatniks do not make any special secret of such things, with a smart look of their cheeks they do not puff out and do not secret everything that they hit. With five hundred F-35s, 250 flying hours and 000 pilots, there is already something to work on in terms of reducing risks, reliability, etc.
    They say that in some places, with half a dozen prototypes, everything is not clear. Nothing has been transferred to the troops, and plans for improvement and modernization for 2027 are already being considered. So, with a banter, as they say in Odessa, we will wait. hi
    1. aszzz888 24 May 2020 10: 45 New
      • 7
      • 3
      +4
      A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov) Today, 09:58 .... The staff members of these things do not make special secrets,

      Whose opinion is this?
      The time has come to voice the preliminary results of the investigation into the causes of the F-22 and F-35 accidents, but no official information has yet been provided.
      This suggests that it’s not beneficial for the United States to disclose specific reasons for these two accidents that have occurred with aviation, assigned to Eglin's military base.
      1. A. Privalov 24 May 2020 10: 52 New
        • 5
        • 5
        0
        It was about sane people who might have a desire to wait until the publication of the official message. hi
  11. zwlad 24 May 2020 10: 01 New
    • 7
    • 1
    +6
    It's simple - penguins do not fly.
    And then they put him on the wing. So it falls.
    This is who such a nonsense occurred to me to print airplane details on a 3D printer. And most importantly, the press swallowed. But what, the people shawl and the switchman will be to blame.
    And when they begin to fall at other operators there will also be 3D printers hidden?
    1. abrakadabre 24 May 2020 10: 12 New
      • 4
      • 1
      +3
      It's simple - penguins do not fly.
      Do you propose to transfer the penguins to their native element - to a submerge?
      1. dvina71 24 May 2020 14: 27 New
        • 1
        • 1
        0
        Quote: abrakadabre
        into the submerge?

        Another question? .. the native element of the penguin .. warm the egg in the cold ...
        1. abrakadabre 26 May 2020 09: 22 New
          • 0
          • 0
          0
          native element of the penguin .. warm the egg in the cold ...
          And also engage in near and ice diving.
  12. Mountain shooter 24 May 2020 10: 06 New
    • 1
    • 1
    0
    Trend? Maybe ... Two of the newest planes per week ... That's too much with ANY reasonable explanation ...
  13. Pvi1206 24 May 2020 10: 15 New
    • 1
    • 1
    0
    unlicensed parts

    are they really “chemical” in the USA?! ...
  14. Sergey39 24 May 2020 10: 32 New
    • 1
    • 1
    0
    Yes, when the production of parts is scattered around the world, and the parts themselves are tens of thousands, the Nika superlogistic program will not help.
  15. Alexey Kartashov 24 May 2020 10: 43 New
    • 6
    • 0
    +6
    Anyone who is a little familiar with the maintenance of aircraft knows that unlicensed parts on an airplane are complete nonsense. Without the permission of the manufacturer on the airplane, even a light bulb will not be replaced with another one that is prescribed in the service book.
    1. Pavlik K. 25 May 2020 01: 59 New
      • 0
      • 0
      0
      This is the opinion of managers - "logistics programs", "3D production" .... They come up with their own, they themselves mow .... There are things that have been working for centuries like NTERATs different, but they need to come up with something new for cutting dough ... In fact - he put the GA in such a hydraulic system - signed, he refused and - hello, the cutting area ... This is, if the case is in the spare parts ...
  16. jaroff 24 May 2020 11: 07 New
    • 1
    • 0
    +1
    They carry such nonsense, it is already disgusting.
  17. MrFox 24 May 2020 11: 09 New
    • 3
    • 0
    +3
    Printed in the garage parts for the aircraft. Who is this nonsense intended for?
  18. Maks1995 24 May 2020 11: 44 New
    • 2
    • 0
    +2
    Something Anonymous authors require an instant investigation, (((
    Not personally reported to Anonymous - does it mean Counterfeit?))))
  19. V.I.P. 24 May 2020 12: 01 New
    • 0
    • 5
    -5
    But is it not so in the Russian Federation? We purchase electronic components in China and South-East Asia for the military. Only no one with the MIL marking (military) is selling us because of American sanctions. Only civilian products..And the quality of civilian and military microcircuits is different ...... By the way, glass for optics is also purchased in China by Schwab. And the filler for gas mask boxes is also from China (we just bake it)
    1. iouris 24 May 2020 12: 52 New
      • 0
      • 5
      -5
      Quote: V.I.P.
      Is it not so in the Russian Federation?

      Not this way. Everything is much worse.
    2. zwlad 24 May 2020 22: 23 New
      • 1
      • 0
      +1
      A large number of components are domestic production, there are technologies for the production of what is not. You just do not have to shun domestic electronics and establish your own production and corporation.
  20. Piramidon 24 May 2020 13: 42 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Quote: 210ox
    The Chinese are doing better than these. Exceptional.

    From the latest acquisitions. The Chinese flash drive lasted 3 months and died. Not subject to resuscitation, only in the "morgue"
  21. rocket757 24 May 2020 13: 58 New
    • 1
    • 0
    +1
    Ahh, corruption, fake!
    How so?
  22. voyaka uh 24 May 2020 14: 11 New
    • 3
    • 6
    -3
    1) Printing parts on a 3-D printer is a global trend.
    It already exists, and will develop more and more like an avalanche. And these parts can be certified by the manufacturer with certified materials and drawings.
    On 3-D, fully military missiles are printed.
    All parts are from different materials. And from metal, and from non-metals. And they begin to print space rockets.
    2) The F-35 logistics system is the first of its kind. And she will switch to all future aircraft and become standard.
    It fails, but also reduces the time for replacement and repair many times.
    1. Pavel57 25 May 2020 15: 11 New
      • 1
      • 0
      +1
      voyaka uh (Alexey), logistics systems are not a discovery. they are at least 20 years old.
      1. voyaka uh 25 May 2020 15: 31 New
        • 1
        • 1
        0
        This is an unusual system like "Prognostic".
        Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS) that gives F-35 Lightning II operators the ability to plan ahead, to maintain, to plan and sustain its systems over the life of the air vehicle.
        ALIS is not (yet) on any plane except the F-35. It consists of hundreds of sensors on an airplane, a database of manufacturers of parts and software that processes all this heap :)))
        Almost all F-35 software bugs relate to this system.
  23. ApJlekuHo 24 May 2020 15: 22 New
    • 1
    • 0
    +1
    In such conditions of uncertainty, the US military was even forced to establish independent 3D printing of individual parts of the fifth generation fighter. But in order to carry out the replacement of a part “in the hangar” by the forces of the military personnel themselves, it was necessary to “make adjustments” to the software so that the program would not perceive the replaced part as something foreign.

    What a cute nonsense, to complete the 5th generation fighter, through 3D products. How much is he standing there? 100 million?
  24. Vicontas 24 May 2020 18: 09 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Quote: Instruktor
    Did the Chinese try?

    Rather, the Turks! Recently, they yelled thinly that the details for the plane were riveted, and their programs were thrown out for receiving the S-400! So also, in addition, they didn’t pay for the delivered parts, which is why the whole Turkish bazaar started!
  25. Locksmith 24 May 2020 18: 17 New
    • 1
    • 0
    +1
    The ear cuts this expression
    But in order to carry out the replacement of a part “in the hangar” by the forces of the military personnel themselves, it was necessary to “make adjustments” to the software so that the program would not perceive the replaced part as something foreign.
    What turns out to be chips on all mechanical nodes ??! Now I understand well the fellow electronics repairing (primus wink ) European inventing electronics (production is clear where laughing ), they are very warm about electronics manufactured in Japan (in the sense of thinking), it is not so confused and really tortured by the ideas of boobies.
  26. Oleg Zorin 24 May 2020 18: 49 New
    • 1
    • 4
    -3
    Uh, we don’t know why the carcass fell into the sea 4 years ago, and the author from the Yankers is waiting for a full alignment in a week. It is naive.
  27. bars1 24 May 2020 20: 09 New
    • 1
    • 0
    +1
    In any case, it’s nice that 2 of the most modern American fighters were crashed.
  28. Ovsigovets 24 May 2020 20: 35 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Quote: Instruktor
    Did the Chinese try?

    it’s just even become interesting)))) and what is the percentage of Chinese in the US Army ????? well ... for the sake of interest and curiosity for
  29. Ovsigovets 24 May 2020 20: 38 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Quote: Pvi1206
    unlicensed parts

    are they really “chemical” in the USA?! ...

    "wheelbarrow for pumping" seen? so .... I have great news for you)))))))
  30. Ovsigovets 24 May 2020 20: 55 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    you can of course burn ... you can probably even rejoice ...... BUT .... they have 5 generation aircraft ... and even at least two types of F-22 and F-35 ...... we are not yet serial ...... but it saddens
    1. zwlad 24 May 2020 22: 31 New
      • 1
      • 0
      +1
      Cool. And why is the 5th generation able to, which 4 ++ cannot do.
      And why then they began to re-purchase the F / A-18 and modernize the existing ones until the last modification.
      Maybe because the 5th generation is just pure marketing and business and not an increase in defense capability?
      1. vargo 25 May 2020 00: 25 New
        • 0
        • 0
        0
        Moreover, in the definition of the 5th generation, their F-35 does not completely fit. Well, in fact, where does the fact that so far we have few of these. It is now about their planes. When ours is being poured with mud, nobody seriously tries to turn the arrows on the F-35 flaws, because they will immediately press it with the phrases “this has nothing to do with it”. So you need to look at everything separately. And the fact is that there are accidents and whoever wants to, can go on fire. There is a reason and this does not take away.
  31. Ovsigovets 24 May 2020 22: 49 New
    • 1
    • 0
    +1
    Quote: zwlad
    Cool. And why is the 5th generation able to, which 4 ++ cannot do.
    And why then they began to re-purchase the F / A-18 and modernize the existing ones until the last modification.
    Maybe because the 5th generation is just pure marketing and business and not an increase in defense capability?

    maybe you’re right .. I don’t presume to say because it’s not a specialist
    F / A-18 airplanes apparently cope with their tasks (the 5th generation is still expensive airplanes anyway) ..... modernization is understandable ..... if the aircraft copes, and the modernized one copes even better then it needs to be modernized. If you buy everything new every year, throwing away everything old - but there’s not enough money
  32. Ovsigovets 24 May 2020 23: 08 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Quote: Instruktor
    Quote: abrakadabre
    I agree ! But bullshit still comes across a one-time ..
    Simply, the Chinese have learned how to dose quality very much. As much as you pay, you get such a quality thing.

    Well, I don’t know .. The Chinese have learned how to make devices strictly under the guarantee .. The guarantee is over, throw the device out .. Everything is being strewed!
    With the great I’m struggling with my next son, HORROR !!!!! .. Everything is in full swing, how the warranty is over (1 year, already bought a second for 15 thousand) Well, what the hell? I’m silent about the cranes, the floor of the storage room is unrepairable ..
    In the days of the USSR, for decades, they used all sorts of different things. negative

    buy a Czech crane in the end)))
    1. zwlad 25 May 2020 07: 13 New
      • 0
      • 0
      0
      Well, I do not. Better then Kazan
  33. Ovsigovets 24 May 2020 23: 09 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Quote: Oleg Zorin
    Uh, we don’t know why the carcass fell into the sea 4 years ago, and the author from the Yankers is waiting for a full alignment in a week. It is naive.

    so thin that thick
  34. Parsec 24 May 2020 23: 57 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    2) The F-35 logistics system is the first of its kind.


    Have you exploited how many samples to make such statements?
    How many logistics systems have they justified, implemented, operated and modernized?
  35. tolmachiev51 25 May 2020 04: 30 New
    • 0
    • 1
    -1
    Golden airplane, and counterfeit set !!! Greed is ruining.
  36. Dmitry Makarov 25 May 2020 13: 33 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Affects the lack of Turkish spare parts, that's how the S-400 brings down enemy aircraft.
  37. Ovsigovets 25 May 2020 20: 27 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Quote: zwlad
    Well, I do not. Better then Kazan

    I offer only what has been experimentally tested ... I installed Czech taps in the bathroom and in the kitchen - they stand and do not break ... can it be that Kazan is better? can
  38. Lycan 26 May 2020 08: 13 New
    • 0
    • 0
    0
    Optimization, it is in the SGA - optimization.