Iran decides on the culprit of striking at Ukrainian Boeing

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Iran decides on the culprit of striking at Ukrainian Boeing

In Iran, the first data appeared on the results of an investigation into the attack on a Boeing aircraft by the Ukrainian company UIA. Recall that the plane immediately after taking off from the runway of Tehran airport was shot down by an anti-aircraft missile complex.

It is noteworthy that the Ukrainian board took off at the time of the sharply aggravated conflict between the United States and Iran, when the latter attacked US military bases in Iraq in January of this year and expected an answer.



Radio Farda reports that the investigation has determined the culprit. It concluded that the air defense installation operator was guilty of striking a passenger plane.

From the report:

Responsible for the incident, the investigation considers the anti-aircraft missile system operator. The operator, according to the investigation, violated the rules when firing.

It is noted that the calculation commander did not coordinate with the command center, but relied on "ambiguous information from the Ministry of Defense."

The liner was mistaken for an American cruise missile.

It is important to note here that the SAM system belonged to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. Now in Iran they are trying to find out why the level of coordination between the IRGC and the Ministry of Defense of the country in terms of organizing air defense was not high enough.

It should be added that earlier in Tehran the possibility of using electronic warfare systems by the Americans was not ruled out to counteract the regular operation of communication systems in units and formations of the IRGC and the country's army. Now (at least in the Iranian media) there is not a word about the possible use of electronic warfare.
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  1. +10
    24 May 2020 07: 59
    The switchman was appointed. Not the first time, the approach is known across all countries and continents.
    He will sit a little, everything will calm down, and then, perhaps, they will release him for good behavior.
    But in general, half of the victims there are Iranians themselves, so this is an internal issue.
    . The liner was mistaken for an American cruise missile.

    Actually, the plane flew the other way
    1. -4
      24 May 2020 08: 07
      Now the question is small - to agree that the Ukrainian side would accept this version, well ... The amount of compensation.
      1. +2
        24 May 2020 08: 17
        There, after all, the majority of the victims were not Ukrainians, there was a Ukrainian crew, and the plane, and passengers, most of them Canadians and Iranians, and some from other countries.
        The price of the aircraft is known, but the amount of compensation may be sued
        1. +3
          24 May 2020 09: 08
          The price of the aircraft is known, but the amount of compensation may be sued

          Can Iran pay compensation in the national currencies of those countries whose citizens died? Not in dollars. Motivating sanctions.
          There, after all, the majority of the victims were not Ukrainians, there was a Ukrainian crew, and the plane, and passengers, most of them Canadians and Iranians, and some from other countries.
          Countries that support sanctions generally have to issue compensation for crude oil. For there would not have been this artificial crisis, and there would have been no shooting at the plane.
          1. +5
            24 May 2020 09: 15
            It should be added that earlier in Tehran the possibility of using electronic warfare systems by Americans was not ruled out
            "Done - blame the whole US first." For too many actors, this tactic is attractive because it hits their target audience too well with heightened resentment.
            1. +7
              24 May 2020 09: 37
              And what about us, is the USA the modern wife of Caesar? recourse
              1. -2
                24 May 2020 10: 00
                For the people in question, it usually turns out that the USA is not Caesar's wife, but the rest for some reason are just Caesar’s wives, and they themselves are Caesar’s wives in the first place.
                1. -1
                  24 May 2020 10: 08
                  Quote: military_cat
                  For the people in question, it usually turns out that the USA is not Caesar's wife, but the rest for some reason are just Caesar’s wives, and they themselves are Caesar’s wives in the first place.

                  1. +1
                    24 May 2020 10: 30
                    What is the meaning of the video? Celik twice messed up in his predictions - that they would give to Iran with all their might and that they would drag Russia to the situation with all their might. Large mess in the forecasts twice for a ten-minute video - you still have to try.
                    1. 0
                      24 May 2020 19: 17
                      (the link to the video has miraculously changed, originally there was )
            2. -1
              24 May 2020 11: 14
              Quote: military_cat
              their target audience with sharpened resСsentiment

              ========
              If you have undertaken to demonstrate your "erudition" by throwing "clever words", then at least write them CORRECT! In Russian, the word "resentment" is spelled with ONE "s" (as opposed to French, where it is written: "ressentiment ") !!! laughing
              1. +3
                24 May 2020 11: 27
                Glad my comment made you look at Wikipedia.
                1. -2
                  24 May 2020 14: 52
                  Quote: military_cat
                  Glad my comment made you look at Wikipedia.

                  ========
                  Alas - in the "Explanatory Dictionary", dear, because I immediately suspected an element of illiteracy (alas! It turned out to be so!). By the way, the words "сto move "in the literary Russian language does not exist! It is correct to say:" to move "!!! lol
                  Conclusion: Learn "materiel" ("more precisely -" great and mighty "!). laughing
                  1. 0
                    24 May 2020 15: 19
                    Immediately put deuces, one for literacy, the second for content. laughing
                  2. -1
                    24 May 2020 15: 32
                    Quote: venik
                    Alas - in the "Explanatory Dictionary", dear

                    You can lie to yourself, it makes no sense to me. wink
                    1. -3
                      24 May 2020 16: 07
                      Quote: military_cat
                      You can lie to yourself, it makes no sense to me.

                      ============
                      You are our visionary!
                      PS Here! All the same "got through"! First comment WITHOUT grammatical errors!
                      Cm.:
                      Quote: venik
                      Learn "materiel" ("more precisely -" great and mighty "!

                      laughing
                    2. 0
                      24 May 2020 18: 19
                      Why are you offended? Anyone can make a mistake. I don’t know this word either. You corrected - you corrected. Why rush into each other poop?
                      1. -1
                        24 May 2020 19: 14
                        No offense - I am heartily glad when a person finds something new for himself on Wikipedia. Well, I myself, of course, also became a little better today in terms of spelling, which is also good. laughing
                      2. +1
                        25 May 2020 09: 20
                        when a person finds something new for himself on Wikipedia,
                        A person exposing a wiki as a completed sentence does not inspire confidence. Like the wiki itself.
                      3. 0
                        25 May 2020 10: 34
                        Quote: kotvov
                        when a person finds something new for himself on Wikipedia,
                        A person exposing a wiki as a completed sentence does not inspire confidence. Like the wiki itself.

                        Do you think that there are words with errors written?
                      4. 0
                        26 May 2020 18: 27
                        I believe that there are more lies than truths. Do you know how articles are formed there?
                      5. 0
                        25 May 2020 16: 33
                        Quote: kotvov
                        Man exposing wiki as a completed sentence

                        Who exposes wiki as a complete sentence?
          2. +6
            24 May 2020 09: 20
            Can Iran pay compensation in the national currencies of those countries whose citizens died? Not in dollars. Motivating sanctions

            People died, and you look only as if to do dirty tricks.
            In all conscience, Iran must do everything. He is guilty, he pleaded guilty. This is not a situation where you have to do dirty tricks.
            Iran must pay in dollars, converting the dead currency into national currency.
            Do you offer Iranian families of the dead to pay with oil?
            1. +1
              24 May 2020 09: 37
              Do you offer Iranian families of the dead to pay with oil?
              No. Iranian in its own currency.
              1. +4
                24 May 2020 09: 39
                No. Iranian in own currency

                And the rest of the oil? How are Iranian families better than Canadian or Ukrainian?
                1. +3
                  24 May 2020 11: 14
                  And the rest of the oil? How are Iranian families better than Canadian or Ukrainian?
                  I agree, nothing. Thanks for the amendment. Corrected. Pay everyone in Iranian currency! Dot.
            2. 0
              24 May 2020 09: 39
              Jack O'Neill, afraid not to get a little bit of it from a green piece of paper? wink
              1. +4
                24 May 2020 09: 42
                Jack O'Neill, be careful not to get your share of the green paper

                Why are you doing this?
                I really do not like when they use the families of the victims in such situations. This is mean.
                1. +4
                  24 May 2020 09: 47
                  I also really do not like it when they allegedly use families of supposedly dead people. MN-17 for example, or a South Korean Boeing in 1983 ...
                  1. +2
                    24 May 2020 09: 55
                    I also really do not like it when they allegedly use families of supposedly dead people. MN-17 for example, or a South Korean Boeing in 1983 ...

                    And the use of those killed in the downing of MH17 is also mean. But this does not mean that you need to sink to such a level.
                    1. DDT
                      0
                      25 May 2020 20: 37
                      Quote: Jack O'Neill
                      I also really do not like it when they allegedly use families of supposedly dead people. MN-17 for example, or a South Korean Boeing in 1983 ...

                      And the use of those killed in the downing of MH17 is also mean. But this does not mean that you need to sink to such a level.


                      Apparently in connection with the quarantine and self-isolation, Army Commander Kabelin stopped visiting Marshal of the Ideological Forces Sabakina ... Don't pay attention to her. You are right, a tragedy, it is always a tragedy and no matter who died, conditional "ours" or "not ours." Unfortunately, the ideological front in the Russian Federation today attracts not quite ... professional personnel. hi
                      1. +1
                        25 May 2020 20: 49
                        Thank you! hi
                        Here, not only did they stop visiting Sobakina.)
                      2. DDT
                        0
                        25 May 2020 20: 51
                        with Abakina ... I insist ... am wassat
                  2. +11
                    24 May 2020 10: 04
                    I also really do not like it when they allegedly use families of supposedly dead people.
                    The families of those killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Vietnam and a huge number of other countries for some reason never are taken into account. But as soon as it comes to families from Europe and North America (excluding Mexico), the value of their aspirations and feelings for some reason grows sharply. If you adhere to the Declaration of Human Rights, then all families should be equal in this matter: EACH life is valuable, or a draw (including European and American).
                  3. +4
                    24 May 2020 10: 06
                    What does supposedly dead conspiracy theorist mean?
                  4. 0
                    24 May 2020 18: 22
                    You control yourself, please. The dead at all under any business. God rest them!
                2. +1
                  24 May 2020 19: 22
                  Quote: Jack O'Neill
                  Jack O'Neill, be careful not to get your share of the green paper

                  Why are you doing this?
                  I really do not like when they use the families of the victims in such situations. This is mean.

                  It's just that on VO, some tsice-admirals are used to being rude when there are not enough arguments (or immediately ban those who disagree with the "general line of the party").
            3. +3
              24 May 2020 09: 55
              Quote: Jack O'Neill
              Iran must pay in dollars, converting the dead currency into national currency.

              Something Ukraine to this day has not paid off the victims for the fact that in 2001, in XNUMX, the plane filled up Tel Aviv - Novosibirsk flying from Israel. "I remember here, I don't remember here."
              1. +2
                24 May 2020 09: 57
                Something Ukraine to this day has not paid off the victims for the fact that in 2002, the plane filled up Tel Aviv - Novosibirsk, flying from Israel. "I remember here, I don't remember here

                Speech at the moment for Iran.
                And yes, in Ukraine I would write the same thing.
                1. +2
                  24 May 2020 10: 06
                  Quote: Jack O'Neill
                  Speech at the moment for Iran.

                  But with Iran, it’s just not so simple. Yes, the culprit is indicated, but with an analysis of all the accompanying factors in the aggregate, which led to the decision to hit the target, there are questions. The flight delay for an hour and the short-term loss of the connection between the calculation and the CP, coinciding with the flight departure in this situation are not accidental.
                  1. +1
                    24 May 2020 10: 54
                    But with Iran, it’s just not so simple.

                    Just everything is clear. Iran shot down, then all responsibility on Iran.

                    The flight delay for an hour and a short-term loss of the connection between the calculation and KP, coinciding with the flight departure in this situation are not accidental

                    Flights are often delayed. What bothers you so much?
                    And the loss of communication could be for any reason, and this was the loss of communication.
                  2. +1
                    24 May 2020 11: 42
                    Quote: Nyrobsky

                    But with Iran, it’s just not so simple. Yes, the culprit is indicated, but with an analysis of all the accompanying factors in the aggregate, which led to the decision to hit the target, there are questions. The flight delay for an hour and the short-term loss of the connection between the calculation and the CP, coinciding with the flight departure in this situation are not accidental.

                    A very professional designation of a take-off passenger airliner with a cruise missile approaching a target ... This is called "peacetime troops." The question is why are they of such high quality needed at all?
                  3. 0
                    24 May 2020 19: 27
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    Quote: Jack O'Neill
                    Speech at the moment for Iran.

                    But with Iran, it’s just not so simple. Yes, the culprit is indicated, but with an analysis of all the accompanying factors in the aggregate, which led to the decision to hit the target, there are questions. The flight delay for an hour and the short-term loss of the connection between the calculation and the CP, coinciding with the flight departure in this situation are not accidental.

                    Of course, they are not accidental, it speaks of a systemic problem in the interaction of Iranian air defense forces of the IRGC (not to be confused with the army) and civilian services.
                    PS. How can one confuse a Boeing with a cruise missile (EPRs are not comparable)? Yes, and soared from the capital's airfield (where the elementary coordination)! Yes, and flying in the opposite direction from a possible attack?
              2. 0
                24 May 2020 12: 39
                Something Ukraine to this day has not paid the victims for the fact that in 2001 the plane crashed

                In accordance with the Claims Settlement Agreement signed by Russia and Ukraine on December 26, 2003, the Ukrainian government transferred $ 7 to pay relatives of the deceased Russian passengers. Compensation was paid ex gratia, that is, without recognition of legal liability [809]. Relatives of Israeli passengers were paid $ 660 million [54].
                1. 0
                  24 May 2020 13: 02
                  The tactics of the Ukrainian side are as follows: since the main part of the aircraft remained at the bottom of the Black Sea, then the fact of the destruction of the aircraft by the Ukrainian air defense missile cannot be considered proven. And it is too late to make claims to Ukraine at the state level - the issue was resolved “amicably” back in 2003.
                  Such interstate agreements did not suit many relatives of the victims. Some found the compensation insufficient, while others generally believed that the matter was not money, but the punishment of those responsible.
                  Especially for those persistent, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine ordered an examination in 2008, which declared the conclusions of the IAC insolvent. According to Ukrainian experts, the S-200 complex could not bring down the Tu-154. Experts did not exclude that the source of the damage to the aircraft could be both outside and inside the liner, in particular, it could be an explosive device placed “between the ceiling of the inside of the aircraft” and its outer shell.
                  Based on this conclusion in 2011, the Kiev Commercial Court rejected the lawsuit for $ 15 million filed by Siberia Airlines against the Ministry of Defense and the State Treasury of Ukraine.
                  https://eva.ru/forum/topic/message/97107970.htm
                  1. 0
                    24 May 2020 13: 37
                    You have a link to the website of the women's forum. smile
                    I don’t know what this should prove.
                    The relatives of the dead from Israel satisfied the amount of compensation of $ 200 thousand.
                    And those who wanted to get more, you need to prove this in court.
                    I have not seen court decisions on compensation.
              3. +2
                24 May 2020 14: 28
                Sorry, but the Ukrainians, if memory serves, paid.
              4. 0
                24 May 2020 18: 24
                Paid without admission of guilt. There is such a wording. Russia did not particularly mind, because then we were fraternal countries.
          3. +1
            24 May 2020 09: 27
            I don’t see, frankly, that this is changing.
            in order to pay in national currencies, they need to be bought, but for this all the same, dollars will most likely be needed
            1. +2
              24 May 2020 09: 47
              I don’t see, frankly, that this is changing.
              in order to pay in national currencies, they need to be bought, but for this all the same, dollars will most likely be needed
              Changes that there are sanctions / restrictions on the sale of oil. Take Canada - an ally of the United States. Does she support sanctions? Yes. Well, let him accept a tanker from Iran contrary to the will of the suzerain, buy oil for his Canadian dollars and Iran honestly pay in Canadian dollars. You can even exponentially with excess payments.
              It’s important not to use the currency of the main enemy - the US dollar in this matter.
              The benefits of such a demarche are:
              1. Will Iran comply with compensation obligations? - will fulfill.
              2. Will force the satellites to violate the will of the owner? So let's see? If yes, good. Relatives of the victims will receive more than they could. If not, let the country take crude oil. Show all their scum.
              1. +1
                24 May 2020 10: 07
                Only the Iranians will make themselves fools and inadequate, however, the Islamists are all like that
              2. +1
                24 May 2020 12: 42
                So let him take a tanker from Iran

                and if you don’t accept?
                1. -1
                  24 May 2020 13: 45
                  and if you don’t accept?
                  Then pickup.
          4. 0
            24 May 2020 11: 04
            Quote: abrakadabre
            Can Iran pay compensation in the national currencies of those countries whose citizens died?

            Almost all Iranian passengers, albeit with passports from Canada, Germany, etc.

            I think they’ll agree ...
          5. ANB
            +2
            24 May 2020 13: 25
            . Not in dollars. Motivating sanctions

            No, it is in USD. From blocked accounts. Payment orders are written out, and then the US problems. Well, Ukraine just needs it that way. And enter generous amounts into payments. You can also print it on beautiful paper and hand it in.
            1. +1
              24 May 2020 18: 31
              Do you think that such a thing will not unblock accounts? No problem! For "correct" transactions
              1. ANB
                0
                24 May 2020 19: 12
                ... No problem! For "correct" transactions

                So that's great. All Iran does not spend real money. And then, in Ukraine, all kinds of kickbacks are very fond of. So you can withdraw all the blocked money, for a small share.
                So that Ukrainians are not offended-in Russia there are enough of the same dodgy :)
                Only the US is not suckers. And their witty enough. Hardly block once.
        2. -1
          24 May 2020 14: 35
          There, after all, the majority of the victims were not Ukrainians, there was a Ukrainian crew, and the plane, and passengers, most of them Canadians and Iranians, and some from other countries.
          The price of the aircraft is known, but the amount of compensation may be sued

          And where did you get the idea that Kolomoisky is worried about the victims?
          1. 0
            24 May 2020 14: 42
            I did not write about Kolomoisky
      2. -2
        24 May 2020 13: 15
        Some troubled events take place with Ukrainian planes and with the sky over Ukraine. The impression that this country will repeatedly appear in various events and incidents.
      3. 0
        25 May 2020 16: 34
        Compensation is not the concern of Iran, but of the insurance company, by the way, of the English.
        So and UIA - Ukrainian only in name
    2. -1
      24 May 2020 08: 27
      Quote: Avior
      He will sit a little, everything will calm down, and then, perhaps, they will release him for good behavior.

      In general, the death penalty is imposed in Iran, including the public.
      1. +1
        24 May 2020 08: 32
        Let's see how it will act in this case.
        1. -2
          24 May 2020 10: 03
          Quote: Avior
          Let's see how it will act

          Are you curious if they will hang him on a truck crane, or just that?
          1. +2
            24 May 2020 10: 29
            About "curious" I did not write anything, but how the events will develop, we'll see.
            1. 0
              24 May 2020 18: 33
              Everything is possible. It is very likely that the ayatollahs will not push along the switchman
    3. +3
      24 May 2020 08: 27
      Quote: Avior
      The switchman was appointed. Not the first time, the approach is known across all countries and continents.
      He will sit a little, everything will calm down, and then, perhaps, they will release him for good behavior.
      But in general, half of the victims there are Iranians themselves, so this is an internal issue.
      . The liner was mistaken for an American cruise missile.

      Actually, the plane flew the other way

      Well, this is actually to be expected Yes Many are to blame, and those who did not impose a ban on civil aviation flights should be the first to sit in the dock, but when the authorities blame themselves, this is unchanged for all countries No. .Yes and the scandal of the Iranian authorities want to quickly hush up, just because the majority of the dead are Iranians. And the operator is sorry, although it may cost him everything request
      1. +3
        24 May 2020 09: 13
        Quote: Hto tama
        sorry for the operator

        The next time that real rockets fly to Iran, someone might be scared to press a button.
        1. +2
          24 May 2020 09: 23
          Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Quote: Hto tama
          sorry for the operator

          The next time that real rockets fly to Iran, someone might be scared to press a button.

          Well, be careful to take the initiative, they will wait for the order, and sometimes the seconds are decisive Yes My personal opinion: the charges should have been brought forward to those who insisted on the takeoff of the Ukrainian side, everything else hits the cadastre of the country or the IRGC and will not lead to anything good No. .For Ukraine itself, there are enough such shoals, however, they do not worry about this and do not even consider themselves guilty request
          1. -2
            24 May 2020 10: 09
            And what of this, that Ukraine behaves in such a way, should we follow their example? US Ukrainians are allowed to behave this way and there is no such patron for the Persians
            1. 0
              24 May 2020 10: 22
              Quote: Kronos
              Ukraine behaves like this should we follow their example?

              No, of course, what are we - some kind of animals to behave like Ukraine?
              But what definitely does not need to be done is that one should not forget about the deed. We must talk about this at any opportunity. Better yet, start taking real steps in this regard. To make full use of international legal institutions, to sue in every country where there is Ukrainian property in order to confiscate it and allow for compensation. To impose sanctions against Ukraine precisely for this fact, etc., etc. .. And if the real affairs are not in the competence of ordinary mortals, then we should regularly remind us of what Ukraine has done - we can, and we will do it all the time.
              1. ANB
                +2
                24 May 2020 13: 29
                . to sue in every country where there is property of Ukraine, to confiscate it and set aside for compensation

                They have no .... nothing. That is the problem. It's like suing a homeless person who ruined your property. You can win a court, but get something - no.
                1. 0
                  24 May 2020 17: 44
                  Quote: ANB
                  They don’t have .... nothing

                  They buy a bunch of everything over the hill, including weapons. You can always arrest a paid but not yet shipped consignment of something.
                  1. +1
                    24 May 2020 18: 35
                    Oh, I beg you. And then what to do with this wealth?
                    1. +1
                      24 May 2020 18: 46
                      Quote: Oleg Zorin
                      And then what to do with this wealth?

                      To Africa to sell, and the money to the relatives of the victims.
                  2. ANB
                    0
                    24 May 2020 19: 07
                    So they deliver rubbish to them. And for free or on credit.
                    1. 0
                      24 May 2020 19: 13
                      Quote: ANB
                      So they deliver rubbish to them. And for free or on credit

                      Turkish drones - more or less for real money. Arrest, confiscate and sell Haftaru.
        2. -1
          24 May 2020 10: 08
          And rightly there will be nothing to shoot at everything that moves
          1. -2
            24 May 2020 10: 28
            Quote: Kronos
            will do right

            Full surrealism
            1. -2
              24 May 2020 10: 28
              In my opinion, do not confuse missiles with liners
              1. 0
                24 May 2020 10: 30
                In vain you do not read the posts you are replying to. There was about real rockets
                1. 0
                  24 May 2020 10: 32
                  I read and replied that you need to think about what you shoot and not just shoot faster
                  1. 0
                    24 May 2020 10: 35
                    Quote: Kronos
                    read

                    Then you could not answer as you answered. Following commonplace logic. And if you don’t follow it, then sobsno and there’s nothing to talk about with you
    4. +1
      24 May 2020 08: 46
      1. Guilty (s) is the one who insisted on the departure of the Ukrainian liner. The rest did not take off.
      2. The plane flew towards the secret object of the IRGC, i.e. with a deviation from the course.
      I am sure that the crew could not rectify the situation due to external control.
      3. For some time, the connection between the calculation and the higher command was interrupted.
      I’m not sure about the UAV, and the plane in front of Tehran was both in London and in Israel ...
      The goal is to bring down the heat after the murder of Suleimani. PLUS additional "buns", of course.
      And the "scouts" were, are and will be. For the air defense REALLY turned out to be not up to par.
      1. +7
        24 May 2020 08: 51
        And who insisted on the departure and who specifically did not take off?
        Wikipedia describes it this way.
        A few hours before the crash, the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) blocked the airspace over Iran, Iraq, the Persian and Gulf of Oman for American civilian aircraft [3]. Airplanes of other countries that night flew from Tehran airport in normal mode [4]. At the same time, the Iranian military, shortly before the crash of the Ukrainian plane, asked the government to stop civilian flights during the attacks on the American Ain al-Assad base in Iraq, but their demand was not fulfilled for a number of reasons [5].
      2. +8
        24 May 2020 09: 05
        Airplanes continued to fly. There was no deviation to the side - the network is full of photo of flight routes - there is a dense bunch in this direction of many flights. The Iranians have already confessed, and you are looking for all conspiracies
        1. 0
          24 May 2020 14: 20
          Ivan, take a look at the photo: the head of the 9M330 rocket (SAM "Thor"), lay
          next to the plane in good condition, even the paint is as good as new.
          And there shouldn't be any debris — two missiles would have blown the Boeing into pieces.
          But with MANPADS completely.
          And why did the transponder fail?
          The story is muddy.
          Second victory (after the assassination of Patriot Soleimani) of the "pro-Western" opposition.
          Moreover, it is again connected with the IRGC.
          1. 0
            26 May 2020 07: 10
            And why did the transponder fail?


            Because a rocket flew into the plane.
    5. +2
      24 May 2020 11: 44
      The switchman was appointed.


      Why appointed? Who else but the operator is responsible for guiding the air defense system to the target? The plane was shot down on take-off from the operator of the time there was little to decide there is still a US attack. Well, if it was a rocket and the same operator missed it? Many are guilty and the air defense system operator is directly to blame.
  2. +3
    24 May 2020 08: 05
    No, well, not so interesting. I already thought that they would blame the "Zionist aggressor" ™ or "American neo-colonialism" ™, and then they found some kind of switchman and blamed him. Persians do not know how to mold rotten excuses ... fool
    1. +8
      24 May 2020 08: 12
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Persians do not know how to sculpt rotten excuses ...

      And you will teach ...

      "Sculpt a humpback", you do it great Yes ...
      1. +1
        24 May 2020 08: 38
        Quote: Insurgent
        And you will teach ...

        "Sculpt a humpback", you do it great

        good Yes, they are in this master of the highest level in Israel ..
        1. -1
          24 May 2020 15: 28
          Well done, at least something praised Israel
        2. 0
          25 May 2020 18: 10
          Instruktor
          "... the highest level masters in Israel .."
          Finally remembered about Israel! And then I look komenty - and no one ... And finally!
          Moderators, and this is like -Instruktor is banned, but is he alive?
      2. -5
        24 May 2020 08: 41
        Persians Israel can only teach to stay away from our borders.
        1. +3
          24 May 2020 08: 45
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          Persians Israel can only teach to stay away from our borders.

          Wow!?
          Iranians are not going to leave Syria, and contrary to your airstrikes, they are only increasing their presence, just at your borders Yes
          1. 0
            24 May 2020 08: 48
            Build up build up. And they’re not going to leave. They simply go out and carry the activity as far as possible from the borders of Israel. In Aleppo, in Homs, in Palmyra. And before they sat in Damascus.
            1. +5
              24 May 2020 08: 55
              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              used to be in Damascus.


              Deduced Yes so as not to expose the capital to your barbaric air raids.
              Yes not all Iranian units relocated from Damascus ...
              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              They simply go out and carry the activity as far as possible from the borders of Israel. In Aleppo, in Homs, in Palmyra.


              And you relaxed lol ? Peremoha ! wassat

              As if Aleppo, Homs, Palmyra, this is the "end of the earth" ...
              1. -1
                24 May 2020 09: 19
                "Barbarian Air Strikes" is 5+ laughing I directly remembered the "International Panorama" of the year 1985. By the way, is it possible for the company and a list of victims of the dastardly crimes of the Israeli military? Purely to compare the number of victims of one raid by Assad's forces on the same Eastern Ghouta.
                Now about the withdrawal of Iranian militants from Damascus. Those units of the IRGC terrorist organization that had to be expelled from Damascus were expelled.
                Nobody is going to relax about this, but the transfer of workshops for the production of missiles and militant bases increases the chances of an attack on them. And in Aleppo, and in Homs, and in Palmyra.
                1. +4
                  24 May 2020 09: 24
                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  On purely to compare the number of victims of one attack by Assad forces on the same Eastern Guta.

                  And the "number of victims" excludes the "beards", or you attributed them to accidentally hit several to civilians, the number of which is so in other respects, is not established for certain ...

                  And I would like to see your clarification, how many reliable sources did you draw this information from?
                  1. +2
                    24 May 2020 11: 29
                    The number of victims includes everyone. But I suspect that a "barrel" bomb from a helicopter in a densely populated oasis will kill more civilians than militants. Civilians can only be killed by chance from a gliding bomb from a fighter jet to a hangar on the outskirts of the airport.
                    1. +1
                      24 May 2020 13: 59
                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      But I suspect that a "barrel" bomb from a helicopter in a densely populated oasis will kill more civilians

                      Yes, but only if they are there ...

                      And you have not shared the source of "egregious information" about the victims ...

                      Why
                      1. 0
                        24 May 2020 14: 20
                        Because I did not look for the number of victims of the Assad regime. I don’t really care how many Arabs die in their feuds. I know that in each other, much more is dying than in the entire Arab-Israeli conflict over the past 100 years.
                      2. +1
                        24 May 2020 14: 31
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        in each other, much more is dying than in the entire Arab-Israeli conflict over the past 100 years.

                        Arab-Jewish the conflict Yes To you as a state, 72 years old ...

                        Twenty-eight years old you ... "Attributed" Yes For "solidity"?
                      3. -1
                        24 May 2020 15: 00
                        and the Arab-Israeli conflict began since the proclamation of the state of Israel?
                      4. +1
                        24 May 2020 15: 03
                        Quote: ender
                        and the Arab-Israeli conflict began since the proclamation of the state of Israel?

                        Exactly Yes Because until that moment you were people without a state,just Jews...
                      5. 0
                        24 May 2020 15: 08
                        those. In your opinion, if the people do not have a state, you can do with it what you want?

                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D0%B2_%D0%A5%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B5
                      6. +1
                        24 May 2020 15: 10
                        Quote: ender
                        those. In your opinion, if the people do not have a state, you can do with it what you want?

                        What "jungle" do you want to lead the discussion into? Do you want provocations?
                      7. 0
                        24 May 2020 15: 13
                        )) the most important thing is forgotten -
                      8. +1
                        24 May 2020 15: 14
                        Quote: ender
                        )) the most important thing is forgotten -


                        I see from the picture that blond Jews also happen ...
                      9. -1
                        24 May 2020 15: 20
                        )) already surrounded? well, hold on ..

                      10. +1
                        24 May 2020 15: 23
                        Quote: ender
                        )) already surrounded? well, hold on ..

                        "Life on the site" isn't cute? So it can be fixed in no time ... For a flood.

                        I warned ...
                      11. -1
                        24 May 2020 15: 25
                        well, it’s not your intellect to win ..

                        I replied..

                        ps you can immediately go to the knock, because with you I finished
                      12. 0
                        24 May 2020 15: 10
                        If we are talking about the Arab-Jewish conflict, it began with Muhammad's attack on the Khaybar oasis. And the decision to create a "Jewish national home" in the former Ottoman territory was made at the San Remo conference in April 1920. Although the mass return of Jews to the Land of Israel began 30 years earlier. The first wave after 1882.
                      13. +1
                        24 May 2020 15: 13
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        If we are talking about the Arab-Jewish conflict, then it began with the attack of Muhammad on the city of Khaibar.

                        EXACTLY about Arab-Jewish, and not about the mythical "Arab-Israeli conflict" a century ago ...
                      14. -1
                        24 May 2020 16: 22
                        We have generally considered the victims of Arab terror since 1860, from the first Jewish quarter outside the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem.
                      15. +1
                        24 May 2020 16: 28
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        We have generally considered the victims of Arab terror since 1860, from the first Jewish quarter outside the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem.

                        With this, whatever you want, your right ...
                        But to call the conflict a definition of which a hundred years ago there was not even a trace, at least it is illiterate, but on other grounds, this is an attempt to "squeeze" history into a format that suits you ...
                      16. 0
                        25 May 2020 06: 26
                        Well, actually the people of Israel, the sons of Israel or just Israel, the Jewish people were called back in the days of the Pharaohs. And the pharaohs themselves. And later they also called it. So you can safely write the Arab-Israeli conflict.
      3. -2
        24 May 2020 08: 42
        "Sculpt a humpback", you do it great


        and experienced Russian experts are not enough for you?
        1. +2
          24 May 2020 10: 12
          This is a full-time guard of power and anti-adviser
  3. +7
    24 May 2020 08: 11
    Long live the switchman ... The mess is in the control of air defense, and the finger that pressed the button is to blame ..
    1. 0
      24 May 2020 08: 43
      The Persians have two armies in parallel (the army of Iran and the IRGC itself). The coordination between them is low.
  4. +3
    24 May 2020 08: 29
    They shot down the liner, they hung everything on the operator. Nothing new.
    Apparently, the operator and the commander are "especially gifted".
    But if such people were imprisoned for air defense systems, then the blame is again on those who planted, who did not test their eyesight, logic, and that’s all.
    1. 0
      24 May 2020 15: 34
      You try to apply logic all the time, appeal to logic, well, you can’t do that with many inhabitants of VO. drinks
      1. 0
        24 May 2020 16: 42
        You try to apply logic all the time, appeal to logic, well, you can’t do that with many inhabitants of VO. drinks

        Yes, indeed, to the majority here it is unacceptable. drinks
  5. -1
    24 May 2020 08: 30
    Why didn’t they find their Konashenkov in the whole of Iran? Wimps
    1. 0
      24 May 2020 11: 51
      We are talking about the "peacetime army" - the construction, rare teachings on the script, shagistika, compliance with form, cleanliness and passing audits. Therefore, excuses are coming - and who created such an approach close to the combat situation ??
  6. 0
    24 May 2020 09: 08
    There are wines and forelocks. The air carrier knew about the serious situation at the airport, but continued to earn money. Greed is in their blood. The same situation with the Boeing over the Donbass took place. We wanted money, get it and sign it. People are only sorry ..
    1. +4
      24 May 2020 09: 22
      There Aeroflot and Lufthansa and many others worked at night. Are they greedy in their blood? Just Persian arms are crooked
      1. -2
        24 May 2020 09: 36
        Judging by the level of economic development, ,, crooked hands ,, - in forelock. Otherwise, responsibility for ruined lives should be jointly and severally and carrier, and the airport, and air defense.
        1. +5
          24 May 2020 09: 49
          Why? Flights were not prohibited, the sky was not closed. The bearded and our plane could fill up, and what, blame Aeroflot?
          1. 0
            24 May 2020 20: 41
            You yourself answered your own question.
    2. 0
      24 May 2020 15: 35
      That's right, bring everything to the blind man.
  7. +1
    24 May 2020 10: 13
    too much divorced air defense systems in different countries ... it became dangerous to fly ... it is not known who controls them ...
    1. +1
      24 May 2020 11: 30
      Can you tell me who sold Islamic fundamentalists the latest air defense system with which they shot down a civilian side?
      1. +2
        24 May 2020 11: 53
        What's the difference. The weapon itself in the set cannot do three things - to cock, aim and shoot.
        1. +1
          24 May 2020 15: 38
          Maybe even how it can. Everyone will tell you this right away, whose rocket went the wrong way.
        2. +1
          25 May 2020 06: 28
          Well, you know, there is a big difference - give a grenade to a person and give a grenade to a monkey.
          1. 0
            25 May 2020 06: 58
            Quote: Zeev Zeev
            Well, you know, there is a big difference - give a grenade to a person and give a grenade to a monkey.

            And during the Shah, how many weapons did Israel deliver to Iran? And not only with the check
            1. +1
              25 May 2020 07: 38
              Under the Shah, Iran was not ruled by Islamic fanatics. And the supply of spare parts for the Phantoms during the war with Saddam was against Saddam.
              1. 0
                25 May 2020 08: 21
                Exactly - it was against Saddam. And now against Israel - not Phantoms, but Israeli infantry training
      2. 0
        24 May 2020 20: 43
        ,, sold, in order to use. But for ,, use ,, - money to see, not enough. Business and nothing personal.
  8. 0
    24 May 2020 14: 50
    Every plane shot down by a country that has air defense, it’s like a sacrificial lamb in the media, immediately forgets about thousands of people dying from the bombing every day.
    1. 0
      24 May 2020 15: 40
      Hundreds, if not thousands, of people all over the world die in road accidents every day. AND?
      1. +1
        24 May 2020 15: 59
        Every day, hundreds die in traffic accidents

        As a result of getting into a car from a tank? Or how? I do not understand your attack.
        1. +1
          24 May 2020 16: 12
          The death of innocent people under the bombs during the war is one thing, and the downing of a civilian plane flying from a peaceful country’s airport is another, different things.
    2. 0
      24 May 2020 15: 41
      The plane crash is news, and the war, for many years, was interesting only at the beginning.
      1. +1
        24 May 2020 16: 06
        The plane crash is news, and the war, for many years, was interesting only at the beginning.

        It is nice to hear that all these events have not aroused any feelings in you for a long time, except for "consumer" interest. drinks
        1. 0
          24 May 2020 16: 13
          It’s like with neighbors who talk very loudly, at first you think that they are cursing, sometimes you think to call the police, then you understand that they communicate and get used to it
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  10. +3
    24 May 2020 16: 20
    So ... Let's start with the fact that this is all that the Iranians said, the reliability is for those who do not know how things are in Iran in matters of military security of the country.
    1) The IRGC is not subordinate to the Ministry of Defense of Iran and even the President of Iran .. This is so, for reference
    2) The IRGC is directly subordinate to Khamenei .. And carries out only his orders. Besides him no one decree to him ..
    3) The IRGC has its own ground forces. The Air Force and Air Defense, the Navy .. Each military branch has its own commander, and these commanders are subordinate to the IRGC commander. The air defense commander could not rely on the data of the Ministry of Defense, because he does not obey this structure, he only fulfills orders. coming from the IRGC command center ..
    With this statement, the Iranians simply found a "scapegoat." and at the same time they transferred the arrows from the IRGC and the Ministry of Defense .. Of course they will pay compensation, the poor fellow will be punished (he will stay for 5-10 years) ..
    But the top leadership of the IRGC will remain beyond suspicion
    1. -1
      24 May 2020 20: 45
      Yes, I don’t understand why Iran pleaded guilty? .. Ukraine pleaded guilty when the plane, Siberia, was shot down? ..
  11. 0
    24 May 2020 20: 39
    You know who is to blame. Who does not understand, ask Meehan.
    1. 0
      25 May 2020 10: 13
      Quote: andreykolesov123
      You know who is to blame. Who does not understand, ask Meehan.

      laughing laughing Meehan is always Professor to blame laughing
      1. 0
        25 May 2020 14: 37
        Quote: lonely

        Meehan is always Professor to blame

        Well yes. Because of the professor and others like him, there is neither water in the tap nor air defense working properly.
  12. 0
    25 May 2020 14: 13
    By the way, the operator saw the mark from the Kyrgyz Republic and erased it and I saw that it wasn’t him but the torus and there was no connection with the CP .. so he is guilty and formally not. but it all looks like a Japanese nuclear power plant according to the American project, when there is a tsunami of 10 m, 30 are possible and the nuclear power plant drowns and explodes at wave 5 .... by the way, nobody seems to have fallen from a banana skin to the tree from the bottom up and so 8 times .. and it's also ugly.
  13. +1
    25 May 2020 16: 54
    "The liner was mistaken for an American cruise missile" - nonsense! It's like a steamer was mistaken for a rowboat.
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