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Iran decides on the culprit of striking at Ukrainian Boeing

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Iran decides on the culprit of striking at Ukrainian Boeing

In Iran, the first data appeared on the results of an investigation into the attack on a Boeing aircraft by the Ukrainian company UIA. Recall that the plane immediately after taking off from the runway of Tehran airport was shot down by an anti-aircraft missile complex.


It is noteworthy that the Ukrainian board took off at the time of the sharply aggravated conflict between the United States and Iran, when the latter attacked US military bases in Iraq in January of this year and expected an answer.

Radio Farda reports that the investigation has determined the culprit. It concluded that the air defense installation operator was guilty of striking a passenger plane.

From the report:

Responsible for the incident, the investigation considers the anti-aircraft missile system operator. The operator, according to the investigation, violated the rules when firing.

It is noted that the calculation commander did not coordinate with the command center, but relied on "ambiguous information from the Ministry of Defense."

The liner was mistaken for an American cruise missile.

It is important to note here that the SAM system belonged to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. Now in Iran they are trying to find out why the level of coordination between the IRGC and the Ministry of Defense of the country in terms of organizing air defense was not high enough.

It should be added that earlier in Tehran the possibility of using electronic warfare systems by the Americans was not ruled out to counteract the regular operation of communication systems in units and formations of the IRGC and the country's army. Now (at least in the Iranian media) there is not a word about the possible use of electronic warfare.
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  1. Avior
    Avior 24 May 2020 07: 59 New
    10
    The switchman was appointed. Not the first time, the approach is known across all countries and continents.
    He will sit a little, everything will calm down, and then, perhaps, they will release him for good behavior.
    But in general, half of the victims there are Iranians themselves, so this is an internal issue.
    . The liner was mistaken for an American cruise missile.

    Actually, the plane flew the other way
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 24 May 2020 08: 07 New
      -4
      Now the question is small - to agree that the Ukrainian side would accept this version, well ... The amount of compensation.
      1. Avior
        Avior 24 May 2020 08: 17 New
        +2
        There, after all, the majority of the victims were not Ukrainians, there was a Ukrainian crew, and the plane, and passengers, most of them Canadians and Iranians, and some from other countries.
        The price of the aircraft is known, but the amount of compensation may be sued
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 24 May 2020 09: 08 New
          +3
          The price of the aircraft is known, but the amount of compensation may be sued

          Can Iran pay compensation in the national currencies of those countries whose citizens died? Not in dollars. Motivating sanctions.
          There, after all, the majority of the victims were not Ukrainians, there was a Ukrainian crew, and the plane, and passengers, most of them Canadians and Iranians, and some from other countries.
          Countries that support sanctions generally have to issue compensation for crude oil. For there would not have been this artificial crisis, and there would have been no shooting at the plane.
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 24 May 2020 09: 15 New
            +5
            It should be added that earlier in Tehran the possibility of using electronic warfare systems by Americans was not ruled out
            "Managed it - the first thing to blame the whole USA." For too many figures, this tactic is attractive, because it is too good for their target audience with a sharp reentiment.
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 24 May 2020 09: 37 New
              +7
              And what about us, is the USA the modern wife of Caesar? recourse
              1. military_cat
                military_cat 24 May 2020 10: 00 New
                -2
                For the people in question, it usually turns out that the USA is not Caesar's wife, but the rest for some reason are just Caesar’s wives, and they themselves are Caesar’s wives in the first place.
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 24 May 2020 10: 08 New
                  -1
                  Quote: military_cat
                  For the people in question, it usually turns out that the USA is not Caesar's wife, but the rest for some reason are just Caesar’s wives, and they themselves are Caesar’s wives in the first place.

                  1. military_cat
                    military_cat 24 May 2020 10: 30 New
                    +1
                    What is the meaning of the video? Celik twice messed up in his predictions - that they would give to Iran with all their might and that they would drag Russia to the situation with all their might. Large mess in the forecasts twice for a ten-minute video - you still have to try.
                    1. military_cat
                      military_cat 24 May 2020 19: 17 New
                      0
                      (the link to the video has miraculously changed, originally there was )
            2. venik
              venik 24 May 2020 11: 14 New
              -1
              Quote: military_cat
              their target audience with sharpened resСsentiment

              ========
              If they started to demonstrate their “erudition” throwing “clever words”, then at least write them CORRECTLY! In Russian, the word "sentiment" is written with ONE "s" (unlike the French language, where it is written: "ressentiment ") !!! laughing
              1. military_cat
                military_cat 24 May 2020 11: 27 New
                +3
                Glad my comment made you look at Wikipedia.
                1. venik
                  venik 24 May 2020 14: 52 New
                  -2
                  Quote: military_cat
                  Glad my comment made you look at Wikipedia.

                  ========
                  Alas - in the Explanatory Dictionary, dear, for he immediately suspected an element of illiteracy (alas! That turned out to be!). By the way the words "сpush "in the literary Russian language - does not exist! Correctly say:" push "!!! lol
                  Conclusion: Learn the "materiel" ("more precisely - the" great and mighty "!). laughing
                  1. really
                    really 24 May 2020 15: 19 New
                    0
                    Immediately put deuces, one for literacy, the second for content. laughing
                  2. military_cat
                    military_cat 24 May 2020 15: 32 New
                    -1
                    Quote: venik
                    Alas - in the "Explanatory Dictionary", dear

                    You can lie to yourself, it makes no sense to me. wink
                    1. venik
                      venik 24 May 2020 16: 07 New
                      -3
                      Quote: military_cat
                      You can lie to yourself, it makes no sense to me.

                      ============
                      You are our visionary!
                      PS here! Still, "penetrated"! The first comment WITHOUT grammatical errors!
                      Cm.:
                      Quote: venik
                      Learn the "materiel" ("more precisely - the" great and mighty "!

                      laughing
                    2. Oleg Zorin
                      Oleg Zorin 24 May 2020 18: 19 New
                      0
                      Why are you offended? Anyone can make a mistake. I don’t know this word either. You corrected - you corrected. Why rush into each other poop?
                      1. military_cat
                        military_cat 24 May 2020 19: 14 New
                        -1
                        No offense - I am heartily glad when a person finds something new for himself on Wikipedia. Well, I myself, of course, also became a little better today in terms of spelling, which is also good. laughing
                      2. kotvov
                        kotvov 25 May 2020 09: 20 New
                        +1
                        when a person finds something new for himself on Wikipedia,
                        A person exposing a wiki as a completed sentence does not inspire confidence. Like the wiki itself.
                      3. Pilat2009
                        Pilat2009 25 May 2020 10: 34 New
                        0
                        Quote: kotvov
                        when a person finds something new for himself on Wikipedia,
                        A person exposing a wiki as a completed sentence does not inspire confidence. Like the wiki itself.

                        Do you think that there are words with errors written?
                      4. kotvov
                        kotvov 26 May 2020 18: 27 New
                        0
                        I believe that there are more lies than truths. Do you know how articles are formed there?
                    3. military_cat
                      military_cat 25 May 2020 16: 33 New
                      0
                      Quote: kotvov
                      Man exposing wiki as a completed sentence

                      Who exposes wiki as a complete sentence?
    2. Jack O'Neill
      Jack O'Neill 24 May 2020 09: 20 New
      +6
      Can Iran pay compensation in the national currencies of those countries whose citizens died? Not in dollars. Motivating sanctions

      People died, and you look only as if to do dirty tricks.
      In all conscience, Iran must do everything. He is guilty, he pleaded guilty. This is not a situation where you have to do dirty tricks.
      Iran must pay in dollars, converting the dead currency into national currency.
      Do you offer Iranian families of the dead to pay with oil?
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 24 May 2020 09: 37 New
        +1
        Do you offer Iranian families of the dead to pay with oil?
        No. Iranian in its own currency.
        1. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 24 May 2020 09: 39 New
          +4
          No. Iranian in own currency

          And the rest of the oil? How are Iranian families better than Canadian or Ukrainian?
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 24 May 2020 11: 14 New
            +3
            And the rest of the oil? How are Iranian families better than Canadian or Ukrainian?
            I agree, nothing. Thanks for the amendment. Corrected. Pay everyone in Iranian currency! Dot.
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 24 May 2020 09: 39 New
        0
        Jack O'Neill, afraid not to get a little bit of it from a green piece of paper? wink
        1. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 24 May 2020 09: 42 New
          +4
          Jack O'Neill, be careful not to get your share of the green paper

          Why are you doing this?
          I really do not like when they use the families of the victims in such situations. This is mean.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 24 May 2020 09: 47 New
            +4
            I also really do not like it when they allegedly use families of supposedly dead people. MN-17 for example, or a South Korean Boeing in 1983 ...
            1. Jack O'Neill
              Jack O'Neill 24 May 2020 09: 55 New
              +2
              I also really do not like it when they allegedly use families of supposedly dead people. MN-17 for example, or a South Korean Boeing in 1983 ...

              And the use of those killed in the downing of MH17 is also mean. But this does not mean that you need to sink to such a level.
              1. DDT
                DDT 25 May 2020 20: 37 New
                0
                Quote: Jack O'Neill
                I also really do not like it when they allegedly use families of supposedly dead people. MN-17 for example, or a South Korean Boeing in 1983 ...

                And the use of those killed in the downing of MH17 is also mean. But this does not mean that you need to sink to such a level.


                Apparently, in connection with quarantine and self-isolation, the commander of the Kabelin stopped coming to the marshal of ideological forces Sabakina ... Do not pay attention to her. You are right, a tragedy, it is always a tragedy and no matter who died, the conditional “ours” or “not ours”. Unfortunately, not quite hell ... professional personnel are attracted to the ideological front in the Russian Federation today. hi
                1. Jack O'Neill
                  Jack O'Neill 25 May 2020 20: 49 New
                  +1
                  Thank you! hi
                  Here, not only did they stop visiting Sobakina.)
                2. DDT
                  DDT 25 May 2020 20: 51 New
                  0
                  with Abakina ... I insist ... am wassat
          2. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 24 May 2020 10: 04 New
            11
            I also really do not like it when they allegedly use families of supposedly dead people.
            The families of those killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Vietnam and a huge number of other countries for some reason never are taken into account. But as soon as it comes to families from Europe and North America (excluding Mexico), the value of their aspirations and feelings for some reason grows sharply. If you adhere to the Declaration of Human Rights, then all families should be equal in this matter: EACH life is valuable, or a draw (including European and American).
          3. Kronos
            Kronos 24 May 2020 10: 06 New
            +4
            What does supposedly dead conspiracy theorist mean?
          4. Oleg Zorin
            Oleg Zorin 24 May 2020 18: 22 New
            0
            You control yourself, please. The dead at all under any business. God rest them!
        2. Normal ok
          Normal ok 24 May 2020 19: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill, be careful not to get your share of the green paper

          Why are you doing this?
          I really do not like when they use the families of the victims in such situations. This is mean.

          It’s just that in VO, some tsitz admirals are accustomed to be rude when there are not enough arguments (or immediately ban those who do not agree with the party’s "general line").
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 24 May 2020 09: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      Iran must pay in dollars, converting the dead currency into national currency.

      Something Ukraine to this day has not paid the victims for the fact that in 2001 the plane Tel Aviv - Novosibirsk flying from Israel failed. "I remember, I don't remember here."
      1. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill 24 May 2020 09: 57 New
        +2
        Something Ukraine to this day has not paid the victims for the fact that in 2002 the plane Tel Aviv - Novosibirsk flying from Israel failed. "I remember, I don't remember here

        Speech at the moment for Iran.
        And yes, in Ukraine I would write the same thing.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 24 May 2020 10: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: Jack O'Neill
          Speech at the moment for Iran.

          But with Iran, it’s just not so simple. Yes, the culprit is indicated, but with an analysis of all the accompanying factors in the aggregate, which led to the decision to hit the target, there are questions. The flight delay for an hour and the short-term loss of the connection between the calculation and the CP, coinciding with the flight departure in this situation are not accidental.
          1. Jack O'Neill
            Jack O'Neill 24 May 2020 10: 54 New
            +1
            But with Iran, it’s just not so simple.

            Just everything is clear. Iran shot down, then all responsibility on Iran.

            The flight delay for an hour and a short-term loss of the connection between the calculation and KP, coinciding with the flight departure in this situation are not accidental

            Flights are often delayed. What bothers you so much?
            And the loss of communication could be for any reason, and this was the loss of communication.
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 24 May 2020 11: 42 New
            +1
            Quote: Nyrobsky

            But with Iran, it’s just not so simple. Yes, the culprit is indicated, but with an analysis of all the accompanying factors in the aggregate, which led to the decision to hit the target, there are questions. The flight delay for an hour and the short-term loss of the connection between the calculation and the CP, coinciding with the flight departure in this situation are not accidental.

            A very professional designation of a take-off passenger airliner with a cruise missile approaching a target ... This is called "peacetime troops." The question is why are they of such high quality needed at all?
          3. Normal ok
            Normal ok 24 May 2020 19: 27 New
            0
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Quote: Jack O'Neill
            Speech at the moment for Iran.

            But with Iran, it’s just not so simple. Yes, the culprit is indicated, but with an analysis of all the accompanying factors in the aggregate, which led to the decision to hit the target, there are questions. The flight delay for an hour and the short-term loss of the connection between the calculation and the CP, coinciding with the flight departure in this situation are not accidental.

            Of course, they are not accidental, it speaks of a systemic problem in the interaction of Iranian air defense forces of the IRGC (not to be confused with the army) and civilian services.
            PS. How can one confuse a Boeing with a cruise missile (EPRs are not comparable)? Yes, and soared from the capital's airfield (where the elementary coordination)! Yes, and flying in the opposite direction from a possible attack?
      2. Avior
        Avior 24 May 2020 12: 39 New
        0
        Something Ukraine to this day has not paid the victims for the fact that in 2001 the plane crashed

        In accordance with the Claims Settlement Agreement signed by Russia and Ukraine on December 26, 2003, the Ukrainian government transferred $ 7 to pay relatives of the deceased Russian passengers. Compensation was paid ex gratia, that is, without recognition of legal liability [809]. Relatives of Israeli passengers were paid $ 660 million [54].
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 24 May 2020 13: 02 New
          0
          The tactics of the Ukrainian side are as follows: since the main part of the aircraft remained at the bottom of the Black Sea, then the fact of the destruction of the aircraft by the Ukrainian air defense missile cannot be considered proven. And it is too late to make claims to Ukraine at the state level - the issue was resolved “amicably” back in 2003.
          Such interstate agreements did not suit many relatives of the victims. Some found the compensation insufficient, while others generally believed that the matter was not money, but the punishment of those responsible.
          Especially for those persistent, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine ordered an examination in 2008, which declared the conclusions of the IAC insolvent. According to Ukrainian experts, the S-200 complex could not bring down the Tu-154. Experts did not exclude that the source of the damage to the aircraft could be both outside and inside the liner, in particular, it could be an explosive device placed “between the ceiling of the inside of the aircraft” and its outer shell.
          Based on this conclusion in 2011, the Kiev Commercial Court rejected the lawsuit for $ 15 million filed by Siberia Airlines against the Ministry of Defense and the State Treasury of Ukraine.
          https://eva.ru/forum/topic/message/97107970.htm
          1. Avior
            Avior 24 May 2020 13: 37 New
            0
            You have a link to the website of the women's forum. smile
            I don’t know what this should prove.
            The relatives of the dead from Israel satisfied the amount of compensation of $ 200 thousand.
            And those who wanted to get more, you need to prove this in court.
            I have not seen court decisions on compensation.
      3. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 24 May 2020 14: 28 New
        +2
        Sorry, but the Ukrainians, if memory serves, paid.
      4. Oleg Zorin
        Oleg Zorin 24 May 2020 18: 24 New
        0
        Paid without admission of guilt. There is such a wording. Russia did not particularly mind, because then we were fraternal countries.
  2. Avior
    Avior 24 May 2020 09: 27 New
    +1
    I don’t see, frankly, that this is changing.
    in order to pay in national currencies, they need to be bought, but for this all the same, dollars will most likely be needed
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 24 May 2020 09: 47 New
      +2
      I don’t see, frankly, that this is changing.
      in order to pay in national currencies, they need to be bought, but for this all the same, dollars will most likely be needed
      Changes that there are sanctions / restrictions on the sale of oil. Take Canada - an ally of the United States. Does she support sanctions? Yes. Well, let him accept a tanker from Iran contrary to the will of the suzerain, buy oil for his Canadian dollars and Iran honestly pay in Canadian dollars. You can even exponentially with excess payments.
      It’s important not to use the currency of the main enemy - the US dollar in this matter.
      The benefits of such a demarche are:
      1. Will Iran comply with compensation obligations? - will fulfill.
      2. Will force the satellites to violate the will of the owner? So let's see? If yes, good. Relatives of the victims will receive more than they could. If not, let the country take crude oil. Show all their scum.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 24 May 2020 10: 07 New
        +1
        Only the Iranians will make themselves fools and inadequate, however, the Islamists are all like that
      2. Avior
        Avior 24 May 2020 12: 42 New
        +1
        So let him take a tanker from Iran

        and if you don’t accept?
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 24 May 2020 13: 45 New
          -1
          and if you don’t accept?
          Then pickup.
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 24 May 2020 11: 04 New
    0
    Quote: abrakadabre
    Can Iran pay compensation in the national currencies of those countries whose citizens died?

    Almost all Iranian passengers, albeit with passports from Canada, Germany, etc.

    I think they’ll agree ...
  4. ANB
    ANB 24 May 2020 13: 25 New
    +2
    . Not in dollars. Motivating sanctions

    No, it is in USD. From blocked accounts. Payment orders are written out, and then the US problems. Well, Ukraine just needs it that way. And enter generous amounts into payments. You can also print it on beautiful paper and hand it in.
    1. Oleg Zorin
      Oleg Zorin 24 May 2020 18: 31 New
      +1
      You think under such a thing they will not unblock accounts? No problem! On the "right" transactions
      1. ANB
        ANB 24 May 2020 19: 12 New
        0
        . No problem! On the "right" transactions

        So that's great. All Iran does not spend real money. And then, in Ukraine, all kinds of kickbacks are very fond of. So you can withdraw all the blocked money, for a small share.
        So that Ukrainians are not offended-in Russia there are enough of the same dodgy :)
        Only the US is not suckers. And their witty enough. Hardly block once.
  • ApJlekuHo
    ApJlekuHo 24 May 2020 14: 35 New
    -1
    There, after all, the majority of the victims were not Ukrainians, there was a Ukrainian crew, and the plane, and passengers, most of them Canadians and Iranians, and some from other countries.
    The price of the aircraft is known, but the amount of compensation may be sued

    And where did you get the idea that Kolomoisky is worried about the victims?
    1. Avior
      Avior 24 May 2020 14: 42 New
      0
      I did not write about Kolomoisky
  • 4ekist
    4ekist 24 May 2020 13: 15 New
    -2
    Some troubled events take place with Ukrainian planes and with the sky over Ukraine. The impression that this country will repeatedly appear in various events and incidents.
  • RoTTor
    RoTTor 25 May 2020 16: 34 New
    0
    Compensation is not the concern of Iran, but of the insurance company, by the way, of the English.
    So and UIA - Ukrainian only in name
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 24 May 2020 08: 27 New
    -1
    Quote: Avior
    He will sit a little, everything will calm down, and then, perhaps, they will release him for good behavior.

    In general, the death penalty is imposed in Iran, including the public.
    1. Avior
      Avior 24 May 2020 08: 32 New
      +1
      Let's see how it will act in this case.
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 24 May 2020 10: 03 New
        -2
        Quote: Avior
        Let's see how it will act

        Are you curious if they will hang him on a truck crane, or just that?
        1. Avior
          Avior 24 May 2020 10: 29 New
          +2
          About "curious" I did not write anything, but how events will develop, we will see.
          1. Oleg Zorin
            Oleg Zorin 24 May 2020 18: 33 New
            0
            Everything is possible. It is very likely that the ayatollahs will not push along the switchman
  • Hto tama
    Hto tama 24 May 2020 08: 27 New
    +3
    Quote: Avior
    The switchman was appointed. Not the first time, the approach is known across all countries and continents.
    He will sit a little, everything will calm down, and then, perhaps, they will release him for good behavior.
    But in general, half of the victims there are Iranians themselves, so this is an internal issue.
    . The liner was mistaken for an American cruise missile.

    Actually, the plane flew the other way

    Well, this is actually to be expected yes Many are to blame, and those who did not impose a ban on civil aviation flights should be the first to sit in the dock, but when the authorities blame themselves, this is unchanged for all countries no .Yes and the scandal of the Iranian authorities want to quickly hush up, just because the majority of the dead are Iranians. And the operator is sorry, although it may cost him everything request
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 24 May 2020 09: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: hto tama
      sorry for the operator

      The next time that real rockets fly to Iran, someone might be scared to press a button.
      1. Hto tama
        Hto tama 24 May 2020 09: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Quote: hto tama
        sorry for the operator

        The next time that real rockets fly to Iran, someone might be scared to press a button.

        Well, be careful to take the initiative, they will wait for the order, and sometimes the seconds are decisive yes My personal opinion: the charges should have been brought forward to those who insisted on the takeoff of the Ukrainian side, everything else hits the cadastre of the country or the IRGC and will not lead to anything good no .For Ukraine itself, there are enough such shoals, however, they do not worry about this and do not even consider themselves guilty request
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 24 May 2020 10: 09 New
          -2
          And what of this, that Ukraine behaves in such a way, should we follow their example? US Ukrainians are allowed to behave this way and there is no such patron for the Persians
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 24 May 2020 10: 22 New
            0
            Quote: Kronos
            Ukraine behaves like this should we follow their example?

            No, of course, what are we - some kind of animals to behave like Ukraine?
            But what definitely does not need to be done is that one should not forget about the deed. We must talk about this at any opportunity. Better yet, start taking real steps in this regard. To make full use of international legal institutions, to sue in every country where there is Ukrainian property in order to confiscate it and allow for compensation. To impose sanctions against Ukraine precisely for this fact, etc., etc. .. And if the real affairs are not in the competence of ordinary mortals, then we should regularly remind us of what Ukraine has done - we can, and we will do it all the time.
            1. ANB
              ANB 24 May 2020 13: 29 New
              +2
              . to sue in every country where there is property of Ukraine, to confiscate it and set aside for compensation

              They have no .... nothing. That is the problem. It's like suing a homeless person who ruined your property. You can win a court, but get something - no.
              1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 24 May 2020 17: 44 New
                0
                Quote: ANB
                They don’t have .... nothing

                They buy a bunch of everything over the hill, including weapons. You can always arrest a paid but not yet shipped consignment of something.
                1. Oleg Zorin
                  Oleg Zorin 24 May 2020 18: 35 New
                  +1
                  Oh, I beg you. And then what to do with this wealth?
                  1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                    Boris ⁣ Shaver 24 May 2020 18: 46 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Oleg Zorin
                    And then what to do with this wealth?

                    To Africa to sell, and the money to the relatives of the victims.
                2. ANB
                  ANB 24 May 2020 19: 07 New
                  0
                  So they deliver rubbish to them. And for free or on credit.
                  1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                    Boris ⁣ Shaver 24 May 2020 19: 13 New
                    0
                    Quote: ANB
                    So they deliver rubbish to them. And for free or on credit

                    Turkish drones - more or less for real money. Arrest, confiscate and sell Haftaru.
      2. Kronos
        Kronos 24 May 2020 10: 08 New
        -1
        And rightly there will be nothing to shoot at everything that moves
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 24 May 2020 10: 28 New
          -2
          Quote: Kronos
          will do right

          Full surrealism
          1. Kronos
            Kronos 24 May 2020 10: 28 New
            -2
            In my opinion, do not confuse missiles with liners
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 24 May 2020 10: 30 New
              0
              In vain you do not read the posts you are replying to. There was about real rockets
              1. Kronos
                Kronos 24 May 2020 10: 32 New
                0
                I read and replied that you need to think about what you shoot and not just shoot faster
                1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                  Boris ⁣ Shaver 24 May 2020 10: 35 New
                  0
                  Quote: Kronos
                  read

                  Then you could not answer as you answered. Following commonplace logic. And if you don’t follow it, then sobsno and there’s nothing to talk about with you
  • knn54
    knn54 24 May 2020 08: 46 New
    +1
    1. Guilty (s) is the one who insisted on the departure of the Ukrainian liner. The rest did not take off.
    2. The plane flew towards the secret object of the IRGC, i.e. with a deviation from the course.
    I am sure that the crew could not rectify the situation due to external control.
    3. For some time, the connection between the calculation and the higher command was interrupted.
    I’m not sure about the UAV, and the plane in front of Tehran was both in London and in Israel ...
    The goal is to bring down the heat after the murder of Sulejmani. PLUS additional "goodies, of course.
    But the "switchmen" were, are, and will be. For the air defense was REALLY not up to par.
    1. Avior
      Avior 24 May 2020 08: 51 New
      +7
      And who insisted on the departure and who specifically did not take off?
      Wikipedia describes it this way.
      A few hours before the crash, the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) blocked the airspace over Iran, Iraq, the Persian and Gulf of Oman for American civilian aircraft [3]. Airplanes of other countries that night flew from Tehran airport in normal mode [4]. At the same time, the Iranian military, shortly before the crash of the Ukrainian plane, asked the government to stop civilian flights during the attacks on the American Ain al-Assad base in Iraq, but their demand was not fulfilled for a number of reasons [5].
    2. tlauicol
      tlauicol 24 May 2020 09: 05 New
      +8
      Airplanes continued to fly. There was no deviation to the side - the network is full of photo of flight routes - there is a dense bunch in this direction of many flights. The Iranians have already confessed, and you are looking for all conspiracies
      1. knn54
        knn54 24 May 2020 14: 20 New
        0
        Ivan, take a look at the photo: 9M330 missile warhead (Tor air defense missile system), lay
        next to the plane in good condition, even the paint is as good as new.
        And there shouldn't be any debris; two missiles would tear the Boeing to shreds.
        But with MANPADS completely.
        And why did the transponder fail?
        The story is muddy.
        The second victory (after the assassination of Patriot Suleymani) of the "pro-Western" opposition.
        Moreover, it is again connected with the IRGC.
        1. would
          would 26 May 2020 07: 10 New
          0
          And why did the transponder fail?


          Because a rocket flew into the plane.
  • private person
    private person 24 May 2020 11: 44 New
    +2
    The switchman was appointed.


    Why appointed? Who else but the operator is responsible for guiding the air defense system to the target? The plane was shot down on take-off from the operator of the time there was little to decide there is still a US attack. Well, if it was a rocket and the same operator missed it? Many are guilty and the air defense system operator is directly to blame.
  • Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev 24 May 2020 08: 05 New
    +3
    No, well, so uninteresting. I already thought that the “Zionist aggressor" ™ or "American neocolonialism" ™ would be blamed, but then they found some switchman and blamed. Persians do not know how to sculpt rotten excuses ... fool
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 24 May 2020 08: 12 New
      +8
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Persians do not know how to sculpt rotten excuses ...

      And you will teach ...

      "Sculpt a hunchback", it’s great yes .
      1. Instruktor
        Instruktor 24 May 2020 08: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent
        And you will teach ...

        "Sculpt a hunchback", it’s great

        good Yes, they are in this master of the highest level in Israel ..
        1. really
          really 24 May 2020 15: 28 New
          -1
          Well done, at least something praised Israel
        2. fider
          fider 25 May 2020 18: 10 New
          0
          Instruktor
          "... the highest level masters in Israel .."
          Finally remembered about Israel! And then I look komenty - and no one ... And finally!
          Moderators, and this is like -Instruktor is banned, but is he alive?
      2. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 24 May 2020 08: 41 New
        -5
        Persians Israel can only teach to stay away from our borders.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 24 May 2020 08: 45 New
          +3
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          Persians Israel can only teach to stay away from our borders.

          Wow!?
          Iranians are not going to leave Syria, and contrary to your airstrikes, they are only increasing their presence, just at your borders yes
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev 24 May 2020 08: 48 New
            0
            Build up build up. And they’re not going to leave. They simply go out and carry the activity as far as possible from the borders of Israel. In Aleppo, in Homs, in Palmyra. And before they sat in Damascus.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 24 May 2020 08: 55 New
              +5
              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              used to be in Damascus.


              Deduced yes so as not to expose the capital to your barbaric air raids.
              Yes not all Iranian units relocated from Damascus ...
              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              They simply go out and carry the activity as far as possible from the borders of Israel. In Aleppo, in Homs, in Palmyra.


              And you relaxed lol ? Peremoha ! wassat

              Like Aleppo, Homs, Palmyra, this is the "end of the earth" ...
              1. Zeev Zeev
                Zeev Zeev 24 May 2020 09: 19 New
                -1
                "Barbarian air raids" is 5+ laughing I directly remembered the "International Panorama" of the year since 1985. By the way, is it possible for the company and the list of victims of the vile crimes of the Israeli military? On purely to compare the number of victims of one attack by Assad forces on the same Eastern Guta.
                Now about the withdrawal of Iranian militants from Damascus. Those units of the IRGC terrorist organization that had to be expelled from Damascus were expelled.
                Nobody is going to relax about this, but the transfer of workshops for the production of missiles and militant bases increases the chances of an attack on them. And in Aleppo, and in Homs, and in Palmyra.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 24 May 2020 09: 24 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  On purely to compare the number of victims of one attack by Assad forces on the same Eastern Guta.

                  And the "number of victims" excludes the "bearded", or you attributed them to accidentally hit several to civilians, the number of which is so in other respects, is not established for certain ...

                  And I would like to see your clarification, how many reliable sources did you draw this information from?
                  1. Zeev Zeev
                    Zeev Zeev 24 May 2020 11: 29 New
                    +2
                    The number of victims includes all. But I suspect that from a barrel barrel from a helicopter in a densely populated oasis more civilians will die than militants. And from a planning bomb by telecanneling from a fighter on a hangar on the outskirts of the airport, civilians can die only by accident.
                    1. Insurgent
                      Insurgent 24 May 2020 13: 59 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      But I suspect that from a barrel barrel from a helicopter in a densely populated oasis more civilians will die

                      Yes, but only if they are there ...

                      And you never shared the source of "egregious information" about the victims ...

                      Why
                      1. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev 24 May 2020 14: 20 New
                        0
                        Because I did not look for the number of victims of the Assad regime. I don’t really care how many Arabs die in their feuds. I know that in each other, much more is dying than in the entire Arab-Israeli conflict over the past 100 years.
                      2. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 24 May 2020 14: 31 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        in each other, much more is dying than in the entire Arab-Israeli conflict over the past 100 years.

                        Arab-Jewish the conflict yes To you as a state, 72 years old ...

                        Twenty-eight years you ... "Assigned" yes For "solidity"?
                      3. ender
                        ender 24 May 2020 15: 00 New
                        -1
                        and the Arab-Israeli conflict began since the proclamation of the state of Israel?
                      4. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 24 May 2020 15: 03 New
                        +1
                        Quote: ender
                        and the Arab-Israeli conflict began since the proclamation of the state of Israel?

                        Exactly yes Because until that moment you were people without a state,just Jews.
                      5. ender
                        ender 24 May 2020 15: 08 New
                        0
                        those. In your opinion, if the people do not have a state, you can do with it what you want?

                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D0%B2_%D0%A5%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B5
                      6. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 24 May 2020 15: 10 New
                        +1
                        Quote: ender
                        those. In your opinion, if the people do not have a state, you can do with it what you want?

                        In what "wilds" do you want to start a discussion? Do you want provocations?
                      7. ender
                        ender 24 May 2020 15: 13 New
                        0
                        )) the most important thing is forgotten -
                      8. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 24 May 2020 15: 14 New
                        +1
                        Quote: ender
                        )) the most important thing is forgotten -


                        I see from the picture that blond Jews also happen ...
                      9. ender
                        ender 24 May 2020 15: 20 New
                        -1
                        )) already surrounded? well, hold on ..

                      10. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 24 May 2020 15: 23 New
                        +1
                        Quote: ender
                        )) already surrounded? well, hold on ..

                        "Life on the site" is not nice? So this can be fixed in two ways ... For the flood.

                        I warned ...
                      11. ender
                        ender 24 May 2020 15: 25 New
                        -1
                        well, it’s not your intellect to win ..

                        I replied..

                        ps you can immediately go to the knock, because with you I finished
      3. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 24 May 2020 15: 10 New
        0
        If we are talking about the Arab-Jewish conflict, then it began with the attack of Muhammad on the Khibar oasis. And the decision to create a "Jewish national center" in the former Ottoman territory was made at the San Remo Conference in April 1920. Although the mass return of Jews to the Land of Israel began 30 years earlier. The first wave after 1882.
      4. Insurgent
        Insurgent 24 May 2020 15: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        If we are talking about the Arab-Jewish conflict, then it began with the attack of Muhammad on the city of Khaibar.

        EXACTLY about Arab-Jewishand not about the mythical "Arab-Israeli conflict" a century ago ...
      5. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 24 May 2020 16: 22 New
        -1
        We have generally considered the victims of Arab terror since 1860, from the first Jewish quarter outside the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem.
      6. Insurgent
        Insurgent 24 May 2020 16: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        We have generally considered the victims of Arab terror since 1860, from the first Jewish quarter outside the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem.

        With this, whatever you want, your right ...
        But to call the conflict a definition which one hundred years ago was not even mentioned, at least illiterate, but for other reasons, it is an attempt to “squeeze” the story into a format that is beneficial to you ...
      7. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 25 May 2020 06: 26 New
        0
        Well, actually the people of Israel, the sons of Israel or just Israel, the Jewish people were called back in the days of the Pharaohs. And the pharaohs themselves. And later they also called it. So you can safely write the Arab-Israeli conflict.
  • ender
    ender 24 May 2020 08: 42 New
    -2
    "Sculpt a hunchback", it’s great


    and experienced Russian experts are not enough for you?
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 24 May 2020 10: 12 New
      +2
      This is a full-time guard of power and anti-adviser
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 24 May 2020 08: 11 New
    +7
    Long live the switchman ... The mess is in the control of air defense, and the finger that pressed the button is to blame ..
    1. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 24 May 2020 08: 43 New
      0
      The Persians have two armies in parallel (the army of Iran and the IRGC itself). The coordination between them is low.
  • Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 24 May 2020 08: 29 New
    +3
    They shot down the liner, they hung everything on the operator. Nothing new.
    Apparently, the operator and the commander are “especially gifted”.
    But if such people were imprisoned for air defense systems, then the blame is again on those who planted, who did not test their eyesight, logic, and that’s all.
    1. really
      really 24 May 2020 15: 34 New
      0
      You try to apply logic all the time, appeal to logic, well, you can’t do that with many inhabitants of VO. drinks
      1. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill 24 May 2020 16: 42 New
        0
        You try to apply logic all the time, appeal to logic, well, you can’t do that with many inhabitants of VO. drinks

        Yes, indeed, to the majority here it is unacceptable. drinks
  • tlauicol
    tlauicol 24 May 2020 08: 30 New
    -1
    Why didn’t they find their Konashenkov in the whole of Iran? Wimps
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 24 May 2020 11: 51 New
      0
      We are talking about the "peacetime army" - the construction, rare teachings on the script, shagistika, compliance with form, cleanliness and passing audits. Therefore, excuses are coming - and who created such an approach close to the combat situation ??
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 24 May 2020 09: 08 New
    0
    There are wines and forelocks. The air carrier knew about the serious situation at the airport, but continued to earn money. Greed is in their blood. The same situation with the Boeing over the Donbass took place. We wanted money, get it and sign it. People are only sorry ..
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 24 May 2020 09: 22 New
      +4
      There Aeroflot and Lufthansa and many others worked at night. Are they greedy in their blood? Just Persian arms are crooked
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 24 May 2020 09: 36 New
        -2
        Judging by the level of economic development, ,, crooked hands ,, - in forelock. Otherwise, responsibility for ruined lives should be jointly and severally and carrier, and the airport, and air defense.
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 24 May 2020 09: 49 New
          +5
          Why? Flights were not prohibited, the sky was not closed. The bearded and our plane could fill up, and what, blame Aeroflot?
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 24 May 2020 20: 41 New
            0
            You yourself answered your own question.
    2. really
      really 24 May 2020 15: 35 New
      0
      That's right, bring everything to the blind man.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 24 May 2020 10: 13 New
    +1
    too much divorced air defense systems in different countries ... it became dangerous to fly ... it is not known who controls them ...
    1. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 24 May 2020 11: 30 New
      +1
      Can you tell me who sold Islamic fundamentalists the latest air defense system with which they shot down a civilian side?
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 24 May 2020 11: 53 New
        +2
        What's the difference. The weapon itself in the set cannot do three things - to cock, aim and shoot.
        1. really
          really 24 May 2020 15: 38 New
          +1
          Maybe even how it can. Everyone will tell you this right away, whose rocket went the wrong way.
        2. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 25 May 2020 06: 28 New
          +1
          Well, you know, there is a big difference - give a grenade to a person and give a grenade to a monkey.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 25 May 2020 06: 58 New
            0
            Quote: Zeev Zeev
            Well, you know, there is a big difference - give a grenade to a person and give a grenade to a monkey.

            And during the Shah, how many weapons did Israel deliver to Iran? And not only with the check
            1. Zeev Zeev
              Zeev Zeev 25 May 2020 07: 38 New
              +1
              When the Shah, Iran was not ruled by Islamic fanatics. And the supply of spare parts for the Phantoms during the war with Saddam was against Saddam.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 25 May 2020 08: 21 New
                0
                Exactly - it was against Saddam. And now against Israel - not Phantoms, but Israeli infantry training
      2. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 24 May 2020 20: 43 New
        0
        ,, sold, in order to use. But for ,, use ,, - money to see, not enough. Business and nothing personal.
  • ApJlekuHo
    ApJlekuHo 24 May 2020 14: 50 New
    0
    Every plane shot down by a country that has air defense, it’s like a sacrificial lamb in the media, immediately forgets about thousands of people dying from the bombing every day.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 24 May 2020 15: 40 New
      0
      Hundreds, if not thousands, of people all over the world die in road accidents every day. AND?
      1. ApJlekuHo
        ApJlekuHo 24 May 2020 15: 59 New
        +1
        Every day, hundreds die in traffic accidents

        As a result of getting into a car from a tank? Or how? I do not understand your attack.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 24 May 2020 16: 12 New
          +1
          The death of innocent people under the bombs during the war is one thing, and the downing of a civilian plane flying from a peaceful country’s airport is another, different things.
    2. really
      really 24 May 2020 15: 41 New
      0
      The plane crash is news, and the war, for many years, was interesting only at the beginning.
      1. ApJlekuHo
        ApJlekuHo 24 May 2020 16: 06 New
        +1
        The plane crash is news, and the war, for many years, was interesting only at the beginning.

        It's nice to hear that, all these events have not caused you any feelings for a long time, except for "consumer" interest. drinks
        1. really
          really 24 May 2020 16: 13 New
          0
          It’s like with neighbors who talk very loudly, at first you think that they are cursing, sometimes you think to call the police, then you understand that they communicate and get used to it
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  • alone
    alone 24 May 2020 16: 20 New
    +3
    So ... Let's start with the fact that this is all that the Iranians said, the reliability is for those who do not know how things are in Iran in matters of military security of the country.
    1) The IRGC is not subordinate to the Ministry of Defense of Iran and even the President of Iran .. This is so, for reference
    2) The IRGC is directly subordinate to Khamenei .. And carries out only his orders. Besides him no one decree to him ..
    3) The IRGC has its own ground forces. The Air Force and Air Defense, the Navy .. Each military branch has its own commander, and these commanders are subordinate to the IRGC commander. The air defense commander could not rely on the data of the Ministry of Defense, because he does not obey this structure, he only fulfills orders. coming from the IRGC command center ..
    With this statement, the Iranians simply found a "scapegoat." and at the same time they moved arrows from the IRGC and the Ministry of Defense .. Of course, they will pay compensation, they will punish the poor fellow (he will sit for 5-10 years) ..
    But the top leadership of the IRGC will remain beyond suspicion
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 24 May 2020 20: 45 New
      -1
      Yes, I don’t understand why Iran pleaded guilty? .. Ukraine pleaded guilty when the plane, Siberia, was shot down? ..
  • andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 24 May 2020 20: 39 New
    0
    You know who is to blame. Who does not understand, ask Meehan.
    1. alone
      alone 25 May 2020 10: 13 New
      0
      Quote: andreykolesov123
      You know who is to blame. Who does not understand, ask Meehan.

      laughing laughing Meehan is always Professor to blame laughing
      1. andreykolesov123
        andreykolesov123 25 May 2020 14: 37 New
        0
        Quote: lonely

        Meehan is always Professor to blame

        Well yes. Because of the professor and others like him, there is neither water in the tap nor air defense working properly.
  • Evil Booth
    Evil Booth 25 May 2020 14: 13 New
    0
    By the way, the operator saw the mark from the Kyrgyz Republic and erased it and I saw that it wasn’t him but the torus and there was no connection with the CP .. so he is guilty and formally not. but it all looks like a Japanese nuclear power plant according to the American project, when there is a tsunami of 10 m, 30 are possible and the nuclear power plant drowns and explodes at wave 5 .... by the way, nobody seems to have fallen from a banana skin to the tree from the bottom up and so 8 times .. and it's also ugly.
  • kris_67
    kris_67 25 May 2020 16: 54 New
    +1
    "The liner was mistaken for an American cruise missile" - nonsense! It’s like the boat was mistaken for a rowing boat.
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