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In Russia, comment on statements about the likelihood of a reduction in the retirement age

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In Russia, comment on statements about the likelihood of a reduction in the retirement age

Representatives of various authorities and expert circles continue to comment on publications in the Russian media, which stated the likelihood of lowering the retirement age bar in Russia. It all started with a statement by the assistant professor of Plekhanov University, Farida Mirzabalaeva, who spoke about the possibility of reducing the retirement age for Russians with increasing unemployment in the Russian Federation.


In particular, it is noted that with an increase in the ratio of the percentage of unemployed to the total number of representatives of the economically active population, an additional imbalance may arise in the implementation of pension provision. As well as difficulties in the fulfillment by the state of its obligations to provide "pre-pensioners" with jobs. The fact is that the state will be forced to support the creation of jobs primarily for young people.

Experts note that from an economic point of view there is indeed a risk of non-fulfillment of obligations to “pre-pensioners”. However, to speak of lowering the retirement age bar, unfortunately for most citizens of the Russian Federation, in this case is hardly possible.

RIA News cites a statement by State Duma deputy Yaroslav Nilov, who heads the committee on labor and social policy. Nilov notes that he himself is in favor of reducing the age of retirement, but at the same time "doubts that the authorities will do this." It should be noted that Nilov represents the LDPR party in the lower house of the Russian parliament.

However, it is worth noting that if the federal authorities, in connection with the current situation in the country, really went down the retirement age, this would not only add political points to them, but also reduce the degree of social tension. Not only that, it would give at least some confidence in the future for those citizens who were unemployed a few years before retiring under the new legislation.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 23 May 2020 18: 33 New
    21
    То есть на момент принятия закона этого видно не было, а тут прозрели? Скорее всего готовятся поправки "по просьбе трудящихся"!
    1. Looking Petrovich
      Looking Petrovich 23 May 2020 18: 45 New
      57
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      То есть на момент принятия закона этого видно не было, а тут прозрели? Скорее всего готовятся поправки "по просьбе трудящихся"!

      "По просьбе трудящихся" с подачи выжившей из ума космолайки готовится обнуление. А для недовольных пенсионным геноцидом есть росгвардия.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 23 May 2020 18: 51 New
        27
        Quote: Looking Petrovich
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        То есть на момент принятия закона этого видно не было, а тут прозрели? Скорее всего готовятся поправки "по просьбе трудящихся"!

        "По просьбе трудящихся" с подачи выжившей из ума космолайки готовится обнуление. А для недовольных пенсионным геноцидом есть росгвардия.

        The cheaters will find how to rob ... even if they take this step, they will still rob, reset to zero, and after a year will again ask you to be understanding.
        1. depressant
          depressant 23 May 2020 19: 13 New
          40
          Svarog, этот цирк наблюдаю с 2000 года. Примут закон, я его читаю и говорю: по таким-то причинам закон работать не будет. Проходит некоторое время. Депутаты: ой, закон по таким-то причинаи не работает, надо поправлять. Поправляют, но как? Усиливая коррупционную составляющую. Вот как с оплатой медикам. Человека с улицы бы спросили! Они ж, депутаты, жизни не знают. Так нет же, замахнулись на пенсии -- высшей пробы идиотизм, подрывающий основы государства. Требую немедленно отменить "реформу"!
          1. Deck
            Deck 23 May 2020 19: 49 New
            38
            So no, they swung at retirement - the highest standard idiocy that undermines the foundations of the state.


            Do not interfere with the work of professionals! Let them anneal harder - it will end sooner. Raise taxes, retire from the 80s, all chip. 5 vodka vodka Label not only every pack of cigarettes, but also every cigarette and matches. And to be sure to Rotenberg. Strengthen the Russian Guard with strategic bombers, nuclear weapons and tank armies.
            1. prior
              prior 23 May 2020 20: 03 New
              26
              Give an excise stamp for every match!
              and of course at the request of the workers ....
            2. depressant
              depressant 23 May 2020 20: 09 New
              24
              Colleague Deck, I appreciate your sarcasm, and the State Duma perceives such wishes as a guide to action. For example, it is currently considering a law on digital tax on consumers of digital products. With a proposal went to Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Belousov.
              1. Deck
                Deck 23 May 2020 20: 59 New
                25
                Well, you see! Brief news from the State Duma for the last week:
                "товарищи из Минкомсвязи предлагают отдать рынок дорожных камер с оборотом в 15 ярдов в руки одному ООО с громким названием ГЛОНАСС БДД, но с 3 (тремя, Карл!) сотрудниками в штате и оборотом в 93 тыщи рублей за год."
                "Минздрав опять пытается протолкнуть идею запрета на продажу алкоголя и сигарет до 21 года. Работать, умирать за Родину, брать кредиты – можно с 18ти, а вот выпить бокал вина только с 21"
                "Внёсен на рассмотрение в Госдуму любопытный законопроект о патриотическом воспитании в школах. Теперь любить Родину со школьной скамьи нужно будет по закону. Текст этого законопроекта ссылается на поправку к Конституции, которая ещё не принята. Ну то есть не принята на всероссийском голосовании, для власти-то это, как мы видим, вопрос давно решённый"
                People work! We wish them good luck, and we survive it
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 24 May 2020 21: 02 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Deck
                  товарищи из Минкомсвязи предлагают отдать рынок дорожных камер с оборотом в 15 ярдов в руки одному ООО с громким названием ГЛОНАСС БДД, но с 3 (тремя, Карл!) сотрудниками в штате и оборотом в 93 тыщи рублей за год."
                  "Минздрав опять пытается протолкнуть идею запрета на продажу алкоголя и сигарет до 21 года. Работать, умирать за Родину, брать кредиты – можно с 18ти, а вот выпить бокал вина только с 21"

                  Seeing business is coming to sunset! The closer the finale, the worse and worse the laws that no one will abide by.
        2. snake
          snake 24 May 2020 13: 27 New
          +6
          Даже если (что маловероятно, ведь "многомудрый не может ошибаться") пенсионная "реформа" будет отменена, то возникает вопрос: кто ответит за нервы, за издевательство, за унижение населения? Сколько ещё идиотских законов и "реформ" напринимают жулики в правительстве? С этими деффективными манагерами хлебнём мы ещё горя...
      2. Aleksandre
        Aleksandre 23 May 2020 18: 57 New
        26
        Quote: Looking Petrovich
        And for those dissatisfied with the pension genocide there is the Russian Guard.

        Punitive party units wassat
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 23 May 2020 19: 12 New
          17
          Not only that, it would give at least some confidence in the future for those citizens who were unemployed a few years before retiring under the new legislation.

          According to the new legislation, the less people live to retire, the better! What kind of confidence is there ...
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 23 May 2020 19: 13 New
      14
      Well, this is the usual pounding of water in a mortar! The fish whispered to someone, or someone misinterpreted their prophetic dream, and that's it, tomorrow they will reduce the retirement age to 45 years for women, and 49 years for men! !! lol To paraphrase a well-known truth, I’ll say: Russia is full of rumors! Only the authorities will not change these speculations and rumors on the drum - the return of retirement.
    3. Deniska999
      Deniska999 23 May 2020 19: 20 New
      +9
      In the midst of a recession to reduce retirement age? It is doubtful, well, if only with the abolition of state pensions.
    4. hydrox
      hydrox 23 May 2020 19: 33 New
      14
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Скорее всего готовятся поправки "по просьбе трудящихся"!

      Скорее всего, либер-избранная власть снова пытается нас надуть:: один раз у них это получилось (с понижением возрастной планки), второй раз это планируется с формулировкой пенсионного возраста, проталкиваемой в Конституцию, а этот новый третий раз - это композиция из первых двух: при таком подходе запросто по факту мы можем быть "осчастливлены" пенсиюшкой размером в $10/мес.
    5. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 23 May 2020 22: 06 New
      +5
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      То есть на момент принятия закона этого видно не было, а тут прозрели? Скорее всего готовятся поправки "по просьбе трудящихся"!

      This duck is launched into circulation with one goal - to release the steam. And do not be led on it.
    6. Civil
      Civil 23 May 2020 22: 54 New
      +8
      Most likely, fog was launched before the constitutional vote. Do not even hope. Do not return back.
    7. YOUR
      YOUR 24 May 2020 05: 18 New
      +2
      Will be linked to the vote on constitutional amendments. Voted for the abolition of the increase in the retirement age, automatically for amendments and zeroing.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 24 May 2020 21: 05 New
        +5
        Quote: YOUR
        Will be linked to the vote on constitutional amendments. Voted for the abolition of the increase in the retirement age, automatically for amendments and zeroing.

    8. Instruktor
      Instruktor 24 May 2020 08: 52 New
      -4
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Скорее всего готовятся поправки "по просьбе трудящихся"!

      Most likely ... They will lower it on paper, but as they adopt the constitution, they will raise it again ..
    9. New Year day
      New Year day 24 May 2020 21: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Скорее всего готовятся поправки "по просьбе трудящихся"!

      Терешкова скоро снова выступит от "имени и по поручению" laughing
  2. Crowe
    Crowe 23 May 2020 18: 34 New
    31
    unfortunately for most citizens of the Russian Federation, it is hardly possible to talk about lowering the retirement age bar.

    I don’t believe it for a long time already. Nobody has to wait for anything good, alas.
  3. Alien From
    Alien From 23 May 2020 18: 40 New
    25
    Rather, cancer hangs on the mountain than our fathers of the people remember about people .....
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 23 May 2020 18: 52 New
      28
      Quote: Alien From
      Rather, cancer will hang on the mountain than our fathers of the people will remember about people ..

      They deservedly called the father of the people of Stalin, and these are so, co-operative swindlers ...
  4. paul3390
    paul3390 23 May 2020 18: 40 New
    35
    One can’t expect anything good for the people from this government. The cannibalistic essence of capitalism has long been rushing out of all the cracks. And only a change of order can make a difference.
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 23 May 2020 20: 13 New
      17
      Story is already changing. The bright future of feudalism loomed.
      1. naburkin
        naburkin 23 May 2020 20: 28 New
        10
        With serfdom. So to speak, new staples))))
  5. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 23 May 2020 18: 42 New
    11
    if this happens, then before the next presidential election ...
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 23 May 2020 18: 45 New
      15
      Quote: Pvi1206
      if this happens, then before the next presidential election ...

      Of course this will happen. Gain points. The power rating fell below the plinth. But who will believe them now?
      1. ximkim
        ximkim 23 May 2020 19: 12 New
        10
        Like who ? Voters! Who see the rays of the sun (power) in the window today that she is the best, they are all in the way, they put sticks in the wheels and shrug forever. A nightmare is shorter.
        1. lis-ik
          lis-ik 23 May 2020 19: 15 New
          10
          Quote: ximkim
          Like who ? Voters! Who see the rays of the sun (power) in the window today that she is the best, they are all in the way, they put sticks in the wheels and shrug forever. A nightmare is shorter.

          It no longer rolls. Although there are especially obstinate.
    2. saigon
      saigon 23 May 2020 19: 07 New
      0
      Excuse me, will this help the president?
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 23 May 2020 19: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: saigon
        Excuse me, will this help the president?

        What is there to help him? He chooses his actions. Or not?
        1. saigon
          saigon 23 May 2020 19: 19 New
          +2
          But who argues, of course.
          Just do not see in the foreseeable future what statistics will raise?
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 23 May 2020 19: 41 New
            12
            Do you need raised statistics?
            And I thought that the government should take care of increasing the real well-being of the population ...
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 24 May 2020 02: 43 New
              +8
              Quote: hydrox
              power must take care

          2. Alf
            Alf 23 May 2020 21: 48 New
            +6
            Quote: saigon
            Just do not see in the foreseeable future what statistics will raise?

            Mr. Peskov said that the Kremlin has its own rating system.
      2. samarin1969
        samarin1969 23 May 2020 19: 25 New
        10
        Quote: saigon
        Excuse me, will this help the president?


        Ваш вопрос довольно сложный. А что хочет Президент? Пенсионная реформа точно не поднимет "уровень благосостояния граждан". И "виагрой рейтинга" точно не станет.

        п.с. С 2014го года у нас в РФ, вместо Президента, принято слушать опусы мужа Навки. А вот у Трампа сложно вспомнить, кто у них - "вместоПсаки".
        1. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 23 May 2020 22: 06 New
          +1
          And in the town of Primorsky colleague, today it is raining.
          To a certain extent they say good. To a degree, not very ....
      3. pl675
        pl675 24 May 2020 00: 06 New
        0
        Quote: saigon
        Excuse me, will this help the president?


        nothing will help him, everything that will happen next, only in the red.
  6. marchcat
    marchcat 23 May 2020 18: 43 New
    12
    По отдельности депутаты против повышения пенсионного возраста, ну а когда "толпой" то получается как оно и получилось.
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 23 May 2020 18: 46 New
    +2
    Conversations, conversations ..... when will IT end? When is something being decided?
  8. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 23 May 2020 18: 51 New
    +3
    Ну лично я так думаю, что если прямо сейчас вернут возраст выхода на пенсию как было - 55/60 - у Власти есть пусть малюсенький - но шанс провести "обнуление"... ну а на "нет" - и суда не будет laughing
  9. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 23 May 2020 18: 51 New
    21
    What the hell with confidence.?!. What are you rushing from there, here, back! ..
    I personally observe that the government does not understand what to do at all. It rushes about ...
    From this, to the people, to put it mildly, it’s not calm, it’s not known what will happen tomorrow ?!
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 23 May 2020 19: 03 New
      +8
      Quote: Benzorez
      , Bo is not known, what will happen tomorrow?! ..
      What will it be? Yes, the dawn will be. And with us or without us, a separate conversation. wink
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 23 May 2020 19: 42 New
        0
        But suddenly it will not be?
        What will you do?
        1. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 23 May 2020 19: 48 New
          +3
          Honestly, the question has long ripened. Are you Comrade Sabakin-Muzchin, or not a man?
          Bo chat with a female man ...
          In our area, to put it mildly ... Not comme il faut ...
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 23 May 2020 19: 45 New
        +4
        Quote: sabakina
        And with or without us

        There will be no conversation, for without us they would be immeasurably better ...
        1. 210ox
          210ox 23 May 2020 20: 35 New
          +4
          And who will feed them? It’s good without us. I doubt it.
          1. Alf
            Alf 23 May 2020 21: 50 New
            +6
            Quote: 210ox
            And who will feed them? It’s good without us. I doubt it.

            Что сказал в свое время черномырдин ? ''Мне для обслуживания газовой системы в стране нужно 2 миллиона человек, остальные мне не нужны''.
            1. dauria
              dauria 23 May 2020 23: 41 New
              +5
              ''Мне для обслуживания газовой системы в стране нужно 2 миллиона человек, остальные мне не нужны''

              Hmm ... You see, he did not come up with anything new.
              Wild landowner. Saltykov-Shchedrin
              "Только и взмолился однажды богу этот помещик:
              - Lord! I am pleased with everything from you, I have been awarded everything! One only cannot bear my heart: there are too many divorced men in our kingdom!
              But God knew that the landowner was stupid, and did not heed his petition.
              Видит помещик, что мужика с каждым днем не убывает, а все прибывает, — видит и опасается: «А ну, как он у меня все добро приест?»..."
              1. Alf
                Alf 23 May 2020 23: 51 New
                +3
                Quote: dauria
                Hmm ... You see, he did not come up with anything new.

                Yes, I don’t argue, simply THESE do not even hide anything.
          2. hydrox
            hydrox 24 May 2020 08: 20 New
            +3
            Quote: 210ox
            And who will feed them? It’s good without us. I doubt it.

            Doubt is helpful.
            How do they feed from us?
            Очень просто:: Занимая ответственные должности, они лоббируют "свои" фирмы и "своих" олигархов на получение госзаказов что-то строить в рамках госпрограмм, что-то у "них" покупать на тендерах, пользоваться "их" услугами и т.п., т.е. каждая статья бюджета расписывается между известными в той или иной степени нам лицами. Таким образом и "растаскивается" бюджет - на этом уровне он ещё не разворовывается (разворовывается на более низких уровнях доступа к средствам).
            Now we look at the tablet, WHAT pieces of the budget are the largest and most delicious by years :: 16 17 18 19 20.
            Budget revenue in trillion. RUB :: 13,7; 13,5; 15,2; 20,1; 20,4 ..
            Social policy (mainly pensions) :: 3,8 (27,7%); 5,1 (30%); 5,0 (31); 4,9 (24%); 4,4 (22%) ..
            Law enforcement. activity :: 1,7 (12,7%); 1,3 (7,7%); 1,9 (12,5%); 2,3 (11,3%); 5,4 (26,6%) ..
            А теперь вспомните, какое кол-во полицейских полковников и генералов выкинули из рядов и посадили за деятельность, несовместимую с честью мундира? И кто-то говорит, что эти "кадры" в состоянии бороться с коррупцией?
            Do not make me laugh. smile
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 25 May 2020 07: 11 New
              0
              So look: why is this liberda yelling that the police did not have a rest for them? And because the type police must be reduced, especially since there are a lot of faults behind them.
              And why does this Liberdyanskiy pr-in yell that there is a constant hole in the PF budget and it is necessary to raise the retirement age?
              And so that the old people do not survive to retirement, but that they have to live, it is necessary to assign a pension in the amount of a living wage so that they do not get used to this world for a long time (which is already being done, only the real income of pence from inflation and the beyond dollar rate is reduced ( only from this the weight of the pension has decreased from half in 16)).
              Therefore, the liberda believes that the smaller the military-industrial complex, the army, the police and the pence, then half of the money will be directed to those sectors of the economy that are supervised by the same almighty liberde and she will cut money from her assets, and then with such a poor population from shopping centers alone they’ll never scrape up so much money to hit the road in Florida, Courchevel, Seychelles, Nice, and four times in Milan.
  10. alone
    alone 23 May 2020 18: 52 New
    14
    Does anyone remember that the authorities admitted their mistakes? I personally don’t remember this ..
    Снизить пенсионный возраст -это означает что правительство сделала ошибку,причем серьёзную..А власть никогда не "ошибается"..По крайней мере властьимущие считают так..Разговоры при снижение считаю предвыборной агиткой,ничего более
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 23 May 2020 18: 56 New
      19
      Quote: lonely
      Does anyone remember that the authorities admitted their mistakes? I personally don’t remember this ..

      Even with the WTO, they were not mistaken, but deceived.
      1. alone
        alone 23 May 2020 18: 57 New
        11
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Even with the WTO, they were not mistaken, but deceived.

        Well not yet reset lol
    2. Ravil_Asnafovich
      Ravil_Asnafovich 23 May 2020 19: 00 New
      10
      No, well, they will find the guilty party (they will appoint), then they will threaten with a finger, they will dismiss them with the wording for the loss of confidence, and they will reassign them somewhere.
    3. fif21
      fif21 23 May 2020 20: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: lonely
      Reducing the retirement age means that the government made a mistake, and a serious one ..

      Therefore, the next President of the Russian Federation will be the one who corrects the mistake or promises to fix it. hi
      1. alone
        alone 23 May 2020 20: 42 New
        +5
        Quote: fif21
        Therefore, the next President of the Russian Federation will be the one who corrects the mistake or promises to fix it.

        Well, according to how the process goes, the next will be the same again, and the promise is always good because it is always forgotten hi
      2. Alf
        Alf 23 May 2020 22: 07 New
        +5
        Quote: fif21
        Therefore, the next President of the Russian Federation will be the one who corrects the mistake or promises to fix it.

    4. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 23 May 2020 22: 15 New
      0
      The devil knows him. Personally, I think it's better to see the error earlier and accept it for correction than never
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 23 May 2020 22: 18 New
        +1
        The essence of the question is: was it a mistake ?.
        And no options, no.
  11. Junior Private
    Junior Private 23 May 2020 19: 07 New
    11
    They wouldn’t raise it - and thanks for that.
  12. pardonov
    pardonov 23 May 2020 19: 09 New
    +8
    Yes, right now, when the economy is in the red, half the country’s ITD is not working
  13. lis-ik
    lis-ik 23 May 2020 19: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: saigon
    But who argues, of course.
    Just do not see in the foreseeable future what statistics will raise?

    And I doubt that myself. Therefore, with seam statistics.
  14. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 23 May 2020 19: 24 New
    18
    In Russia, comment on statements about the likelihood of a reduction in the retirement age

    So far this is only talk, the purpose of which is to probe the mood inside the electorate. The comment here can be expressed in one word: FEAR!
    But all these "ffm" - for good reason. This is a characteristic feature of weak people who care about personal well-being and who simply cannot go against the masses.
    The vile and unscrupulous bureaucrats divided the laws into “for their beloved” and “for beggars” ...
    I look forward to and hope that the time will come when everyone will be rewarded according to his sins. This will be a holiday - “Day of National Unity”, because it is no longer possible to live like this.
    1. dauria
      dauria 23 May 2020 23: 58 New
      +4
      This will be a holiday - “Day of National Unity”, because it is no longer possible to live like this.


      Смешной Вы. Даже если сейчас объявится Козьма Минин, что будет ? Похвалят его, изберут в Госдуму и успокоят "Тише, Кузенька, ты кушай-кушай, родной наш". А взбрыкнёт к примеру, как Наталья Полонская супротив - так забудут , как и не было . Ни по телику, ни в интернете, ни скандалов ... laughing Lord, yes they have this experience of fooling - the whole planet.
      А у нас и нет его, кроме всеми забытого девиза "Объединяйтесь, сукины дети "
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 24 May 2020 04: 41 New
        +4
        Quote: dauria
        You are funny. Even if Kozma Minin appears now, what will happen?

        I'm not so funny if you look from a meter and a half (close). But in terms of greed, greed, arrogance, I am much more decent than many "serious and respected" famous personalities. I can even (I used to say) to tell my boss that he is, to put it mildly, wrong. Or send it - to show how what he offers to do to others is done.
        You know, flattering mediocrity looks ridiculous and disgusting, which set themselves only one goal - to “butter” the boss, to give him maximum satisfaction with his own “ego”.
        The funniest thing will begin when modern Joseph Vissarionovichi and Lavrentii Pavlovichi appear. Where will different Anatolyevich, Vladimirovich, Ivanovna, Volfovichi and other gentlemen go, who for decades have pushed water in a mortar, gaining their "fat reserves", ignoring the right of the people to determine their own fate.
        It is necessary to laugh like that in order to live-live, “plow-plow”, row-row, grind-grind, and then suddenly “break a stone” on the mountain and start life from scratch. And the loudest laugh happens when it’s not with batons or face in the asphalt, not with LTP or STTP, but with your head in the trash can ... kick in the ass ... with a green brush in the face ... and without any right to re-employment .. .and without any state exclusiveness ... like everyone else: at 12, at 130 or at 17 ... And also, no guards and benefits at the expense of taxpayers. Only own savings that will remain after tax. This is laughter, this is ukatayka!
        Not in personal - on the riviera, but in public - on the city beach. wassat
  15. Double major
    Double major 23 May 2020 19: 27 New
    +7
    МВФ столько сил и средств вложила в это "наше" решение, что фиг кто теперь даст обратно отыграть.
  16. faterdom
    faterdom 23 May 2020 19: 37 New
    +7
    Эту "реформу" отменят. Кто - вопрос. Либо сам ее творец Путин, либо следующий президент, который уже точно будет не -Путиным. А тот останется в памяти, не смотря на все свои благие дела (они есть) эдаким Навуходоносором, про которого никто не помнит, что он сделал, но поскольку имя нарицательное - то что-то плохое.
    The real Putin still has a choice: there was a mistake - the mistake was fixed, an apology was brought. If not, the second option.
    And who and how he will punish there for his wounded vanity is his personal affair, although it would be useful to all courtiers for prevention, so that they do not forget whose bread they chew.
    1. Miller
      Miller 23 May 2020 20: 21 New
      -5
      I think the creator is not the president. Creators in government. In 2018, even the president was apparently not easy to resist the pressure of the government, headed by the chairman of the ruling party. But the party chairman was pushed behind the closet. Now we need to deal with the majority in the Duma. Probably sorted out. But then you can find the guilty. I would like to believe. Dreams, dreams where your sweetness is, dreams have passed, muck has remained.
    2. Alf
      Alf 23 May 2020 22: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: faterdom
      Or its creator Putin himself,

      Hah!
      Quote: faterdom
      the next president, who will definitely be non-Putin.

      3 times HA!
  17. UserGun
    UserGun 23 May 2020 19: 38 New
    17
    "Перспектива снижения пенсионного возраста в России слабореализуема, поскольку его increase enabled the state to save significant funds. Об этом заявил глава комитета Государственной думы по труду и социальной политике Ярослав Нилов, сообщает РИА Новости в субботу, 23 мая."

    Вот и вся "сермяжная" правда этой "реформы" ))) Никакая не забота о людях, о чём внушала вся пропаганда, а банальная экономия на них же. Похоже, что даже у самых больных на всю голову назрело: А на хрена такая власть?
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 23 May 2020 20: 30 New
      0
      35 billion rubles, these funds
    2. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 24 May 2020 06: 22 New
      -1
      Quote: UserGun
      The prospect of lowering the retirement age in Russia is poorly implemented, since its increase has enabled the state to save significant funds.

      If the rollback of the increase will save more on unemployment benefits, it may happen.
  18. parusnik
    parusnik 23 May 2020 19: 46 New
    10
    Che is not clear ... They will rob again ...
  19. Barmaleyka
    Barmaleyka 23 May 2020 19: 46 New
    0
    It all started with a statement by the assistant professor of Plekhanov University, Farida Mirzabalaeva, who spoke about the possibility of reducing the retirement age for Russians with an increase in unemployment in the Russian Federation.
    and she definitely disappears in the economic university? !!!
    bo as the more unemployed the more difficult it is to pay pensions
  20. Miller
    Miller 23 May 2020 20: 00 New
    +7
    Отобрать у одних и отдать другим. Полнейшая "шариковщина". Вместо создания высокооплачиваемых рабочих мест с белой зарплатой. Борьбы с серыми зарплатами. Приняли единогласно "одобрямс". А теперь на распутье проголосуют за правящую партию или нет. Нет не проголосуют. Рейтинг "0". Умерла так умерла.
  21. Flinkfan
    Flinkfan 23 May 2020 20: 03 New
    +8
    Больше всех этому "верят" военные пенсионеры которых нынешние топ-пенсионные воры восемь лет назад первый раз с пенсиями на 46% кинули, а потом, многих из них и предпенсионных членов их семей, ещё раз обокрали.
    Слава Богу "благодарные потомки" от власти в мае прошлого года свой позорный "патриотический коэффициент 0,54" (по сути налог) в отношении военных пенсионеров из числа участников ВОВ отменили. Только вот, много ли их, ветеранов, в живых-то осталось?
    Если кого интересует тема грядущих "конституционных индексаций пенсий и иных социальных выплат", после обнуления Конституции, то поговорите об этом с военными пенсионерами, пенсионерами МВД, МЧС.
    There is no need to speak with officials, deputies, prosecutors, judges and investigators, they are of white bone and their blood and soul .... blue, these are not subject to constitutional discrimination.
    They are untouchables .... patriots, or tripots
  22. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 23 May 2020 20: 05 New
    +3
    Decrease up, or decrease down?
    These are two big differences actually.
    Скорее всего друзья мои будущие "пенсы" как и я, болезный.
    Ситуация следующая- дожил до "пансиона"- молодец.
    Did not live ... What to do ?! Time is right now.

    By the way, it was like that before. In fact.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 23 May 2020 21: 02 New
      +6
      It used to be a little different, just a little bit, but a little bit is a kind of watershed.
      А исповедовать тезис: "Бог терпел и нам велел", это удел холопов, и в самом ничтожном варианте.
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 23 May 2020 21: 37 New
        0
        Are you really planning to live out a certain retirement?
        Honestly, I do not plan. I don’t even expect it.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 23 May 2020 21: 44 New
          +7
          Виталь, мне легче, если так можно выразиться, я 47-го года рождения и давно уже "вышел в тираж", да и пенсия, хоть и дерьмо, но московская и по сравнению с другими... Я же Вам не предлагаю терпеть ярмо, навешанное на шею, вы, ребята, помоложе - вам и карты в руки, и не только карты...
          1. Petrol cutter
            Petrol cutter 23 May 2020 21: 49 New
            +3
            Fig / ce. Immediate respect. Once such a thing .. I have no more questions! ...
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 23 May 2020 21: 57 New
              +6
              Questions to a fig and all of them are unpleasant, and the most disgusting: how will we continue to live?
  23. Flinkfan
    Flinkfan 23 May 2020 20: 20 New
    +6
    [quote = Barmaleyka] [quote] more because the more unemployed the more difficult it is to pay pensions [/ quote]

    Who said?
    Это для инициаторов нынешней "пенсионной реформы" кошерно сравнивать количество работников на содержание одного пенсионера в 30-е годы прошлого века с днём сегодняшним.
    Только вот никто из них не удосужился посчитать количество нынешних "импортных батраков" по всему миру, гнущих свои спины за российские нефть, газ, продукцию сельского хозяйства,оружие и прочие материально-интеллектуальные ресурсы.
    Under Comrade Stalin, the Soviet budget did not include such a number of foreign workers, and at that time they worked out for one combine operator, a miner, a steelworker, etc. was slightly lower.
    Comrade Stakhanov did not have a coal processor, and noble Ivanovo weavers did not abuse the CNC machines especially.

    Maybe it’s not a matter of dust on the piano at the Conservatory, but at the Conservatory and its teachers?
  24. Alt 22
    Alt 22 23 May 2020 20: 23 New
    +7
    According to all opinion polls, the vast majority of Russians are AGAINST pension reform.
    Putin is a shame.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 23 May 2020 20: 59 New
      +9
      Putin is a shame.

      Yes, perhaps something else is already needed, the kid has gone too far with zeroing his term, he felt complete impunity, although ... they don’t create the gendarmerie from a good life in a poor country.
  25. fif21
    fif21 23 May 2020 20: 31 New
    0
    Are there working military pensioners on the site who want to receive a piece of pension from the FIU? So, all nishtyaki for early retirement do not concern you! Dismissed, reduced, 43 years of experience ..... for this you need to get on the labor exchange, but military people are not put on the stock exchange, since there is a constant income - a military pension. Or am I wrong? hi
  26. Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 23 May 2020 20: 33 New
    +4
    Soon a vote for constitutional amendments ...., however.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 23 May 2020 20: 56 New
      +3
      Слав, не однако, а одинаково. Всё как и прежде: "Одобрямс". !!! fool
  27. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 23 May 2020 20: 39 New
    0
    So to speak. Working in production. I, like most of my comrades, absolutely do not think about some retirement inconsistencies.
    Moreover, we think all the way for doing the work .. You will laugh, for doing the x-ray we think. In fact...
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 23 May 2020 20: 55 New
      +3
      ... for the X-ray, we think.

      And that the x-ray shows how it is there, not filtered? Happy holiday to you. Dear Stakhanovites, work for the good ... if you know whose. laughing
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 23 May 2020 21: 05 New
        +1
        X-ray shows, what the hell, you made a seam father! And you will digest it. And to me, as a collector, you will make money.
        As not knowing how to cook.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 23 May 2020 21: 30 New
          +4
          I know how not to cook, but to cut, and the one you work for should pay you, and you do not work for me, so you won’t get a penny from me.
          At your leisure, try to learn the Russian language: the word be written with a soft sign; The word you pay is written through A. Well it is. if you are Russian, of course.
          As not knowing how to cook.

          If you are about welding, then I do not own this profession, but my head is brewing, which is what you, my friend, a stranger, sincerely wish. drinks
          1. Petrol cutter
            Petrol cutter 23 May 2020 21: 43 New
            +2
            To blame. Please forgive generously.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 23 May 2020 21: 48 New
              +3
              With great pleasure! We are not enemies of each other and should not argue, but support each other.
            2. Petrol cutter
              Petrol cutter 23 May 2020 22: 35 New
              +1
              Gentlemen and ladies got excited. Was wrong. I apologize to Comrade Sea Cat. hi
    2. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 23 May 2020 20: 56 New
      0
      Perhaps I’ll finish it.
      Because it is impossible to launch ships not tested by X-ray into the sea. Why?
      A lot of marriage in welds.
      Archi's marriage is many ...
  28. Avior
    Avior 23 May 2020 20: 41 New
    +2
    . cites a statement by State Duma deputy Yaroslav Nilov, who heads the committee on labor and social policy. Nilov notes that he himself advocates reducing the retirement age,

    Curious, and how did he vote when he was raised, if he was for a decrease?
    1. Alf
      Alf 23 May 2020 22: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: Avior
      . cites a statement by State Duma deputy Yaroslav Nilov, who heads the committee on labor and social policy. Nilov notes that he himself advocates reducing the retirement age,

      Curious, and how did he vote when he was raised, if he was for a decrease?


      LDPR did not vote, that is, in fact, sided with the EP.
  29. Catfish
    Catfish 23 May 2020 20: 51 New
    +6
    ... if the authorities, due to the situation in the country, really went down the age of retirement, this would not only add political points to them, but also reduce the degree of social tension.

    And he, these authorities, all this is not to hell? Or is someone still convinced that these are interested in something other than their offshore accounts? Any naivety should have some reasonable limits ...
  30. APASUS
    APASUS 23 May 2020 21: 06 New
    +3
    Не повысили бы в очередной раз по "просьбе трудящихся !"А то что откатят назад,должно что то случиться и тогда ,для поднятия рейтинга,возможно .............
  31. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 23 May 2020 21: 25 New
    0
    Yeah, schach. They will not reduce anything, why? 1
  32. sagitch
    sagitch 23 May 2020 21: 35 New
    0
    Do not hope will not lower the retirement age. Young people will wait for the elderly to die, possibly occupying their workplace.
  33. mark2
    mark2 23 May 2020 21: 37 New
    0
    You look. The government heard authoritative voices of local experts in all areas of the national economy
  34. Valter1364
    Valter1364 23 May 2020 22: 04 New
    +1
    I don’t know what will happen to pension affairs! If they want to do better, it will be even worse. Since only children can do beautiful things with us!
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 23 May 2020 22: 52 New
      0
      What will happen? Nothing will happen. Everything will be as it was.
      We’ll go to work, do our business (who, where),
      Think of the good. How else to live?
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 24 May 2020 02: 45 New
        0
        I want to think about good things, but I’m not going to work very well. The strength of any organism is, for many decades this process continues. It wouldn’t be bad, with a fishing rod on the shore, to show the grandson how to hook and snatch. Stop this endless run, with the ringing of nerves and the death of cells.
  35. Maks1995
    Maks1995 24 May 2020 00: 20 New
    0
    From empty to empty. Do not confuse your Wishlist with the great decision of the great Putin and the great EDRA (((((
  36. Amur
    Amur 24 May 2020 03: 22 New
    0
    I am for all the undertakings of the native government! But on one condition - let them start with themselves, shoot for corruption and confiscate everything stolen.
  37. unknown
    unknown 24 May 2020 07: 04 New
    +1
    The decision to raise the retirement age to 65 was taken by the so-called liberals.
    So-called, because the foundation of true liberalism is patriotism. Patriotism, not a betrayal of national interests.
    In fact, defining a true retirement does not present a real problem.
    Nature herself determined it.
    Man is a biological species. The basis of existence is the continuation of the human race.
    From the point of view of medicine, the minimum age at which the fair sex can conceive, endure, and give birth to healthy offspring, without consequences for their own health, is 14 years old.
    But, having given birth, it is necessary to educate.
    А западные представители военной инженерной психологии уже давно пришли к выводу, что " возраст идеального солдата" начинается с 35 лет. То есть, мозги встают на место только с этого возраста.
    Но, за возрастом "идеального солдата" следует "возраст управления". Он начинается со второй половины сораколетнего возраста. Пик "возраста управления" -это 55 лет. Так называемый "директорский возраст".
    Management effectiveness lasts up to 62-63 years. It is at this border, in the vast majority of people, health problems begin. Brains work, but physics starts to fail.
    This is the real retirement age.
    That is, in nature, some give birth, while others raise.
    Проблема современной России в том, что поколение родившихся в 60-е годы прошлого века, которое сейчас находится, или приближается к "возрасту управления", и его пику, фактически выбито из жизни.
    Недаром, Глоба назвал это поколение "потерянным".
    The knocked-out generation turned out to be replaced by a younger generation, which for many reasons, primarily biological ones, cannot manage effectively.
  38. cosmonaut
    cosmonaut 24 May 2020 21: 27 New
    0
    Before the vote, always the blizzard is carried. There is no faith for you, gentlemen of the bourgeois. Pack your bags