Sohu: The Russian military can only complain about the low efficiency of the aircraft industry


The Chinese portal Sohu came out with material dedicated to fifth-generation fighters. The material says that today "only two countries of the world have mastered the production technology of such fighters."


From Sohu Material:

And among these countries there is no Russia. These are the USA and China. China has surpassed Russia by creating its own J-20 fighter, which is built using stealth technology and which is already in service with the country's air force. And the Russian military can only complain about the low efficiency of the aircraft industry.

Further, the author, continuing to extol the Chinese J-20 fighters, writes that in the USA "initially they did not believe in the success of Chinese aircraft manufacturers in terms of creating stealth fighters." But in the end, according to Sohu, along with the American F-22 and F-35, the Chinese J-20 stealth fighter appeared.

At the same time, it is added on the Chinese resource that Russia is building a fifth-generation fighter Su-57, "however, it has problems with stealth." On what basis does the Chinese author draw a conclusion of this kind, he certainly cannot say. But he allows himself the following statement:

By stealth in the infrared, the Russian Su-57 is not as good as the F-22, F-35 or J-20.


One gets the impression that the author of this tirade personally compared the fighters he examined in terms of stealth indicators, including indicators in the infrared range mentioned. For obvious reasons, the author of the material for Sohu does not have any specific data, and therefore all these statements in the “not so good” style look exclusively as author's fantasies, designed to convince primarily Chinese users that the J-20 is “the best of the best ".
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  1. Voltsky 23 May 2020 14: 55 New
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    is invisibility a panacea? :)
    1. letinant 23 May 2020 15: 33 New
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      A country that makes copies of Russian engines. And I can say with confidence that bad copies (either a small resource or fuel are consumed like three Russian ones). And on the other hand, I don’t care, even if we have airplanes, 3+, 4 ++, 100-500+, but they shoot me down better than anyone else, they’re not buying from under the stick and that’s enough for me.
      1. Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 16: 54 New
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        Quote: letinant
        And I can say with confidence that bad copies (either a small resource or fuel are consumed like three Russian ones).

        Down and Out trouble started. Bringing their engines.
        And they rivet their planes quickly and inexpensively.
        And they can sell without problems and sanctions.
        In a few years, we will have to deal with them in the market with our 4 ++ ones.
        Our pepelats take completely frostbitten or poor, who are not afraid of sanctions
        1. Captain Pushkin 23 May 2020 20: 45 New
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          Quote: Andrey Zhukov
          Down and Out trouble started. Bringing their engines.
          And they rivet their planes quickly and inexpensively.
          And they can sell without problems and sanctions.

          Precisely, dashing trouble is the beginning. Now the Americans began to strangle Chinese electronics, and then proceed to total strangulation. Those. all types of sanctions imposed against the Russian Federation will be applied to China, and even with a plus.
        2. Cottodraton 24 May 2020 07: 51 New
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          They have been “finishing up” them for 30 years, and still nothing ... And yes, I can say quite confidently that despite some problems with the organization of labor, our aircraft production has long been backward. However, this is hardly known to the sloupoks from China, because this rabble, at least, is not allowed in our factory and the cannon shot that way since the beginning of the two thousandth
        3. Vadim237 25 May 2020 00: 27 New
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          They have been upgrading their engines for 30 years, like gas turbines for the energy sector - the result is a little more than not horseradish. The first is bought from Russia, the second from Germany.
      2. Voltsky 23 May 2020 16: 56 New
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        Quote: letinant
        but they’re the best shot down


        wow how much pathos :) Urya-patriot we are the best and the coolest !!!
        1. Cottodraton 24 May 2020 07: 55 New
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          A flag sticks out of every ass in the SGA and everyone speaks in the same vein ... and this is called patriotism. But liberals like you, for some reason, make fun of the same thing with us. What's the point? Everywhere "Urya", what is the problem then? Much better than your eternal self-abasement and nagging. At least your negativity and bile does not poison ...
          1. Voltsky 24 May 2020 09: 18 New
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            probably the problem is that I personally do not like such people :)
            1. letinant 25 May 2020 03: 25 New
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              Quote: Voletsky
              probably the problem is that I personally do not like such people :)

              I don’t care what you don’t like.
        2. businessv 24 May 2020 17: 16 New
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          Quote: Voletsky
          wow how much pathos :) Urya-patriot we are the best and the coolest !!!
          Anyway, it’s better in any way than to groan that everything is gone! Or do you prefer it:
          look exclusively copyright fantasies designed to convince primarily Chinese users that the J-20 - "the best of the best."
          Sometimes it would also be nice for us to read such articles from our authors about our technology, and not stupidly praise everything that has been done over the hill! hi
          1. Voltsky 24 May 2020 17: 26 New
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            Urya-Urya and everything is lost - these are equally alien to me radical opinions; and it seems to me that a cold assessment without unnecessary emotions is much better. but I emphasize - this is strictly my opinion, and I expressed it; and as you have now addressed me with a remark addressed to me because my opinion differs from yours, so he wrote to him in the same vein.
            Available explained?
            1. businessv 24 May 2020 17: 59 New
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              Quote: Voletsky
              Available explained?

              And I gave an occasion to ask such questions? laughing You piled in one pile utryalok and our military experience
              Urya-patriot we are the best and the coolest of all !!!
              I didn’t like it actively because yes, I think that our soldiers, in the words of Zhvanetsky, “will not help out in the fray, they will win in the war”! hi
      3. Mordvin 3 23 May 2020 20: 25 New
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        Quote: letinant
        shoot down best of all

        And who was shot down?
      4. Polente the Wanderer 23 May 2020 21: 12 New
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        We have too few combat aircraft
      5. Federal1 24 May 2020 19: 29 New
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        subtle sarcasm .... Mig-29- F15,16 in the Maim 0-40, not in favor of Mig and so subtly said, with knowledge of the matter right from the couch :)
      6. keeper03 26 May 2020 11: 36 New
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        We are already starting to lose China in the "information war"! belay
    2. SovAr238A 23 May 2020 16: 26 New
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      This is an extremely important parameter.
      Stealth is a much more important parameter than over-maneuverability.
      1. Voltsky 23 May 2020 16: 49 New
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        Quote: SovAr238A
        This is an extremely important parameter.
        Stealth is a much more important parameter than over-maneuverability.

        And if this “stealth” sees the decimeter range, and the missiles have a homing head already in the centimeter range, which allows it to aim at stealth at short distances on its own without the help of targeting systems; I’m embarrassed to ask, what then?! :)

        I just think that rap and rap is a more important parameter :) it allows a racket to be sent either in the wrong direction or to bang a lot earlier than necessary :) But you need to go to the forum so that it can further defend the wonders of "stealth"
      2. Piramidon 23 May 2020 17: 29 New
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        Quote: SovAr238A
        Stealth is a much more important parameter than over-maneuverability.

        In real battles, did you check, or do you focus on commercials?
    3. cniza 23 May 2020 17: 19 New
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      Quote: Voletsky
      is invisibility a panacea? :)


      More like a myth ...
      1. Voltsky 23 May 2020 17: 24 New
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        Quote: cniza

        More like a myth ...

        Well, you know this as a contraceptive, it would be better if it were, but not useful; than it would be nice to have, but no
        1. cniza 23 May 2020 17: 39 New
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          Of course, and most importantly, that they would buy it ...
          1. Voltsky 23 May 2020 18: 03 New
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            Well, for this soyuznechkov you need to strain yours, and in which case offer a rollback :)
            1. cniza 23 May 2020 18: 11 New
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              So they do, why reinvent the wheel - NATO is primarily a market for American weapons ...
              1. Voltsky 23 May 2020 18: 14 New
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                more actively, and more insistently, and the most patriotic to break out their hands, because nefig look to the side.
                Many countries have Gaster, let them take what you offer; but no, well, the visa regime is also free.
                1. cniza 23 May 2020 18: 54 New
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                  A lot of things could be done, but for this you need to want, and then be able to ...
                  1. Voltsky 23 May 2020 18: 55 New
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                    when you want to, with time you can be able to :)
                    1. cniza 23 May 2020 19: 03 New
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                      God grant, but in life it’s not always like that ... often those who want know and don’t give anything to do, but that doesn’t mean that you don’t have to try ... yes
                    2. really 23 May 2020 21: 18 New
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                      There is also an option when the Wishlist is left, but the urge is no longer obtained as before. laughing
                      1. Voltsky 24 May 2020 09: 19 New
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                        impotence :)
                2. Cottodraton 24 May 2020 08: 07 New
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                  Who has you? Who!
                  1. Voltsky 24 May 2020 09: 36 New
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                    I am a cynical Baltic :) and here only out of love for weapons
              2. Voltsky 23 May 2020 18: 26 New
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                sorry: added
                I’m young enough, but I remember “Russians don’t leave, we need slaves,” do you want to be friends with these people ?! No, they need to be put in cancer, and indicate where they should go, and that would be sneezed only with permission; and took only what they recommend from the city on the hill
                1. cniza 23 May 2020 18: 56 New
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                  And I'm not young enough.
                  but I remember "Russians do not leave, we need slaves," do you want to be friends with these people ?!


                  But did I offer to be friends with someone, I know one thing the richer you are, the more relatives and friends you have ...
            2. businessv 24 May 2020 17: 36 New
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              Quote: Voletsky
              Well, for this soyuznechkov you need to strain yours, and in which case offer a rollback :)
              And name a couple of allies that can acquire, but do not want to! Although, just name a couple of ours not "allies", but allies.
    4. hydrox 23 May 2020 20: 01 New
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      Quote: author
      By stealth in the infrared, the Russian Su-57 is not as good as the F-22, F-35 or J-20

      But in terms of the totality of capabilities and abilities, one Start button on the Su-57 ends the mortal life of any of these trinity with at least air-to-air missiles launched at a distance of up to 300 km - neither the Yankees nor the Chinese have anything like it.
      1. voyaka uh 23 May 2020 20: 41 New
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        “at least air-to-air missiles launched at a range of up to 300 km” ///
        ----
        There has never been a case in the history of aviation of a military launch of an explosive rocket from such a distance.
        The maximum that was - 80 km
        1. hydrox 24 May 2020 08: 59 New
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          https://topwar.ru/143822-rossiyskie-rakety-klassa-vozduh-vozduh-istoriya-sovremennost-i-perspektivy.html
          You would not be dishonored: this is the R-37M product from the review for 2018 - read more to be less embarrassed! lol
        2. Cyril G ... 24 May 2020 11: 30 New
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          In combat conditions and on a tactical aircraft, IMHO 57 km maximum. From what distance shot at the Indian MiG is not known. In the light of this, it makes sense to have an RVV from Dusk = 180 km, I'm talking about the AiM-120D, only if, like the RVV of the R-37 type, a drift is justified as a means of combating VTA, AWACS and strategic bombers ...
          1. EvilLion 25 May 2020 08: 28 New
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            The missile range is given for high altitudes, if the target leaves with an excess, the launch range on it is greatly reduced, therefore, there is a constant calculation, and the pilot is allowed to "Start allowed" only if the defeat is physically possible.
            1. Cyril G ... 25 May 2020 08: 44 New
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              this is understandable, the enemy can lie abruptly on the reverse course.
      2. hydrox 24 May 2020 09: 06 New
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        Thanks Liberde for the minus!
        I understand HOW all of you are upset by the inconsistency of the advertising data of the American weapon icon-painting for you when comparing it with real data, which is fu-35, that of Patriot.
        It is also interesting where the Yankees gathered to hide their aircraft carrier pelvis, if suddenly a mess breaks out (and it smells of gunpowder!) laughing
    5. Crimea26 25 May 2020 11: 03 New
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      This word is simply called “stealth” today. For complete invisibility no one has grown.
  2. evgenii67 23 May 2020 14: 59 New
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    Does Sokha print articles from VO? Let the Chinese surpass the Su-30MKK in all respects for a start, I'm not talking about the Su-35, and even more so ... well, you understand.
    1. Polite Moose 23 May 2020 15: 49 New
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      Quote: evgenii67
      Does Sokha print articles from VO?

      There are 10 times more Chinese than Russians. And writers in sokhas (not to be confused with sokhaty) - not count at all. We stupidly do not have enough life to read all their opuses about our backward BT. And if there will still be a need to answer all the articles in their yellow press (a pun, however, turned out), then life expectancy in Russia will have to be raised to 250-300 years.
      1. Krasnoyarsk 23 May 2020 16: 16 New
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        Quote: Polite Moose
        about our backward BT. And if there will still be a need to answer all the articles in their yellow press (a pun, however, turned out), then life expectancy in Russia will have to be raised to 250-300 years.

        I don’t understand, but did everyone get so excited after reading some SOCH article?
        Well, they wrote that - "By stealth in the infrared, the Russian Su-57 is not as good as the F-22, F-35 or J-20."
        And our bribe-tellers write - "having no analogues in the world." Let them write to themselves. And those and others. You need to earn money on a bun with butter.
        1. Polite Moose 23 May 2020 16: 28 New
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          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          I don’t understand, but did everyone get so excited after reading some SOCH article?

          So otozh. Recently, this Sohu has become almost the ultimate truth here.
          1. cniza 23 May 2020 17: 18 New
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            She is trying to raise the level of patriotism within the country and no more ...
            1. hydrox 23 May 2020 20: 10 New
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              So let them publish in their own country - why should the Russians be corrupted by other people's nonsense?
              I understand that if a Russian author compiled a review with a comparison, this is useful and necessary material, but the imperial speeches in Chinese lips are written for whom?
              1. cniza 23 May 2020 20: 42 New
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                This question is not for me, but you know to whom ...
                1. hydrox 24 May 2020 09: 21 New
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                  Quote: cniza
                  This question is not for me, but you know to whom ...

                  And I can tell him in plain text that our gates for enemy information warfare materials are wide open and that the Russian liberda is only strengthening, being saturated with advertising disinfection.
              2. really 23 May 2020 21: 22 New
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                So not a Chinese writes an article, reminds you, but he also called you an earthworm. laughing
          2. Krasnoyarsk 23 May 2020 21: 49 New
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            Quote: Polite Moose
            So otozh.

            I seem to guess what kind of forests the Polite Elk roams.
            1. Polite Moose 24 May 2020 12: 55 New
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              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              I seem to guess what kind of forests the Polite Elk roams.

              hi No! My forests, although they are located to the south, as well as to the west of Krasnoyarsk, are located in the Russian Federation. And in these forests for the slogans "Sala Ukraine!", "Bandera come ...", etc. good and innocuous-looking mushroom pickers can even be buried without asking for a surname. This is if I understood your guess correctly.
              PS Someone put you a minus. I see no reason for this. I am sinful, sometimes I insert the phrase "in French". I can be misleading. drinks
              1. Krasnoyarsk 24 May 2020 13: 46 New
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                Quote: Polite Moose
                And in these forests for the slogans "Sala Ukraine!", "Bandera come ...", etc. good and innocuous-looking mushroom pickers can even be buried without asking for a surname.

                Well, although I’m not a Moose and, moreover, not polite, in our forests the same unwritten laws as in yours. drinks hi
    2. SovAr238A 23 May 2020 16: 29 New
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      Quote: evgenii67
      Does Sokha print articles from VO? Let the Chinese surpass the Su-30MKK in all respects for a start, I'm not talking about the Su-35, and even more so ... well, you understand.

      What parameters do you want to exceed?
      Not tired of being measured like in sports?
      Bigger, taller, stronger?

      There is only one parameter for combat aircraft - the number of victories in aerial combat.
      Everything else is dust ...
      1. Vadim Zhivov 23 May 2020 17: 53 New
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        Dear! Well, and how many victories does the Chinese “engineering miracle” have? repeat
        1. Cormorants 25 May 2020 03: 54 New
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          Yes, this is the market. The article is intended for potential buyers.
  3. knn54 23 May 2020 14: 59 New
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    But what about the detection of the Su-30 by a Chinese invisible flight in the Tibet region?
  4. Cyril G ... 23 May 2020 15: 01 New
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    And what have the Chinese already learned to do motors better than us? Go and analogue of the product "30" in the series !? And the resource surpassed us?
  5. Well done 23 May 2020 15: 02 New
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    The Chinese are bending their line. Sofa expert and patriot. No wonder.
    1. Albert1988 23 May 2020 18: 28 New
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      Quote: Welldone
      The Chinese are bending their line. Sofa expert and patriot. No wonder.

      The usual propaganda ... Please note that in the Chinese media they stopped printing interviews with Chinese aircraft designers, since they gave out completely opposite points of view to all this "patriotism", it was awkward ...
  6. Svetlana 23 May 2020 15: 05 New
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    Everything is fine..
    The Chinese praises the Chinese and you, unobtrusively, the Russian. Everything is as it should be.
    ***
    -On what basis does the Chinese author draw a conclusion of this kind, he certainly cannot say.

    Everything is simple too. The Chinese are already in service, but the Russian is not.
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 May 2020 15: 30 New
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      Quote: Svetlana
      Everything is fine..
      The Chinese praises the Chinese and you, unobtrusively, the Russian. Everything is as it should be

      Only a Chinese citizen reads only a Chinese "expert" on all issues. And VO carefully provides our philistine with such valuable opuses from so competent Chinese comrades.
  7. vladcub 23 May 2020 15: 10 New
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    “First of all, to convince Chinese users that the j-20 is“ the best of the best ”, the Chinese are already accustomed to:“ we are the best of the best ”or“ in the world only 2 countries are able to produce such a miracle, who is the first to remain silent from modesty. ”There are two Signal: 1 to potential buyers - don’t forget about us. And 2 to Washington personally - guys, consider if we need to kick your ass. Do you want to?
  8. Interlocutor 23 May 2020 15: 15 New
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    Apparently, in the modern world this has become a part of advertising. Normal phenomenon.
  9. Andrey Krasnoyarsky 23 May 2020 15: 22 New
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    Another couch expert praises an airplane that he never flew on and which he most likely did not even see live.
  10. Pvi1206 23 May 2020 15: 29 New
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    you will not praise yourself, no one will praise ...
  11. senima56 23 May 2020 15: 31 New
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    Unfortunately, we need to complain about the "low efficiency" of our entire industry!
    Wherever you look - "deadlines are shifting to the right!"
    "It's a shame for the Power!"
  12. lopuhan2006 23 May 2020 15: 35 New
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    Perhaps in the infrared range increased visibility due to round nozzles.
    In terms of flight capabilities, the Chinese are more likely an analogue of the Phantom those interceptor-bomber, but not a fighter.
    F-22 is the fighter standard at the moment.
    We are waiting for the Su-57 in the second edition with the provisions of the engines, with circular electronics, with new missiles.
    1. Hwostatij 23 May 2020 16: 14 New
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      Interceptor bomber. The couple blew ...
    2. Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 16: 59 New
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      I'm afraid that the Su-57 even in the second edition will not receive flat nozzles ...
      which means that the visibility in the IR will be much lower than for the f-22, and lower than for the f-35 (because there is 1 engine, and we have 2)
      1. sabakina 23 May 2020 17: 16 New
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        Quote: Andrey Zhukov
        I'm afraid that the Su-57 even in the second edition will not receive flat nozzles ...
        And let's be afraid together? wink

        Quote: Andrey Zhukov

        which means that the visibility in the IR will be much lower than for the f-22, and lower than for the f-35 (because there is 1 engine, and we have 2)
        You know that after these words I got sick of fear. laughing
        1. Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 17: 22 New
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          Quote: sabakina
          I got sick of fear

          google "photo flight of the Su-57 with an engine of 2 stages" and find there a flat nozzle.
          He was not in the plans for SU-57 ...
          1. Albert1988 23 May 2020 18: 33 New
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            Quote: Andrey Zhukov
            google "photo flight of the Su-57 with an engine of 2 stages" and find there a flat nozzle.
            He was not in the plans for SU-57 ...

            I dare to ask - is the notorious "flat nozzle" a panacea?
            1. Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 18: 39 New
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              for visibility in the IR range this is the main factor + the shape of the air intakes
              1. Albert1988 23 May 2020 22: 02 New
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                Quote: Andrey Zhukov
                another form of air intakes

                But this is not for the IR range, it is for hiding the engine blades in the radio range. And the shape of the nozzle does not help much for camouflage in IR - only from very old missiles ...
            2. Charik 23 May 2020 19: 08 New
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              Yes, if it's flat, then write everything is gone, I will win all
          2. EvilLion 25 May 2020 08: 46 New
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            Because bad dumb put such nonsense on the plane. Did you know that a flat nozzle is a serious loss of traction?
      2. Sky strike fighter 23 May 2020 21: 37 New
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        Quote: Andrey Zhukov
        I'm afraid that the Su-57 even in the second edition will not receive flat nozzles ...
        which means that the visibility in the IR will be much lower than for the f-22, and lower than for the f-35 (because there is 1 engine, and we have 2)

        The F-35 also does not have flat nozzles. And that is not stealth in your opinion? lol
        1. Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 21: 40 New
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          they are all stealth, but to varying degrees.
          f-35 to a greater extent than su-35
          1. Sky strike fighter 23 May 2020 21: 46 New
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            You wrote about fears that the Su-57 will not receive flat nozzles, so maybe you should not be afraid of this, because the same F-35 from your own words and without flat nozzles is a stealth fighter?
            Quote: Andrey Zhukov
            they are all stealth, but to varying degrees.
            f-35 to a greater extent than su-35

            Su-35 was never declared as a stealth fighter. request
            1. Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 22: 23 New
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              described. I meant su-57
              1. Alexander Seklitsky 24 May 2020 09: 31 New
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                Quote: Andrey Zhukov
                described.

                Well, you are not so neat my friend laughing
                1. Sky strike fighter 24 May 2020 09: 45 New
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                  Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
                  Quote: Andrey Zhukov
                  described.

                  Well, you are not so neat my friend laughing

                  What letter should the accent be put on? On the letter and or on the letter a? lol
      3. ultra 24 May 2020 23: 37 New
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        Flat nozzles were tested in the Sukhoi Design Bureau back in the eighties.
    3. SaLaR 23 May 2020 18: 16 New
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      By the time he appears, the Chinese and Americans will already be flying on the 7th generation
    4. Ded_Mazay 23 May 2020 21: 27 New
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      Quote: lopuhan2006
      bomber interceptor
      is that one that is the "fruit of love" hedgehog with a snake ??? lol
  13. Siberian 66 23 May 2020 15: 39 New
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    I don’t understand at all, Sohu writes frank nonsense, which speaks of her specific yellowness and unhealthy ambitiousness. Why print this nonsense? Our caravan goes its own way, and you should not even notice mongrels on the sidelines. We should be interested in the opinion of professionals here and beyond the hill. And not the magazine from the yellow edition.
    1. cniza 23 May 2020 17: 15 New
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      Quote: Siberian 66
      And not the magazine from the yellow edition.


      Since China is on the first lines, and their professionals are silent because they understand, this publication comes from here ...
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        and their professionals are silent because they understand

        Rather, their professionals simply do not give more words - for it went against the article like these ...
        1. cniza 23 May 2020 19: 04 New
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          You can say so, and they will not be allowed, in China it is as easy as shelling pears ...
          1. Albert1988 23 May 2020 22: 00 New
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            Quote: cniza
            You can say so, and they will not be allowed, in China it is as easy as shelling pears ..

            On the site you can search last year’s articles by the same “Sukhata” on the 5th generation exterminators - they interviewed Chinese engineers working in this area a couple of times, they said about the same as many forum users - “we need to go to China first To catch up with the Su-35, and only then to think about the 5th generation. " After several such "embarrassments," they stopped taking interviews with engineers, giving everything to scribblers-magazines ...
            1. cniza 23 May 2020 22: 06 New
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              This is not a secret, and to whom we must prove something, there is a struggle for sales markets and no more ...
              1. Albert1988 23 May 2020 22: 07 New
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                This is not a secret, and to whom we must prove something, there is a struggle for sales markets and no more ...

                So the fact is that Chinese pepelats like the “5th generation” are unlikely to interest anyone in the foreign market - firstly, the price is already palpable, secondly, all their potential customers prefer proven clones of our dryers ...
  14. iouris 23 May 2020 16: 07 New
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    You read the comments and understand: there is nothing to complain about, everything is just fine!
  15. Tarasios 23 May 2020 16: 07 New
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    yes ... This is a long-standing historical tradition of different countries: to loudly declare the outstanding steepness of your army and climb to butt with Russia, for magic cots. In this regard, France, Poland, Prussia, Germany, Turkey and so on are willing to share their experience;) Russia is the official calibrator of ChSV of any country;)
    1. cniza 23 May 2020 17: 13 New
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      History is forgotten, and then puffed ...
  16. Yuri Mikhailovsky 23 May 2020 16: 14 New
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    Well, well ... sushi however ...
    1. sabakina 23 May 2020 17: 25 New
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      Quote: Yuri Mikhailovsky
      Well, well ... sushi however ...

      Why, normal thing, if done by a professional. I just don’t understand, what for do liquid sauce, which instantly flows back? request
  17. Arhizaman 23 May 2020 16: 17 New
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    If my memory serves me right on their planes are our engines. 4 hundreds bought 6 years ago
  18. Vasyan1971 23 May 2020 16: 39 New
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    Further, the author, continuing to extol the Chinese J-20 fighters, writes that in the USA "initially they did not believe in the success of Chinese aircraft manufacturers in terms of creating stealth fighters."

    And now they don’t believe much. Anyway, no one but the "dried up" part of the Chinese themselves. request
    1. cniza 23 May 2020 17: 12 New
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      But cheeks will blow and boast ...
  19. codetalker 23 May 2020 16: 51 New
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    I do not want to offend anyone. But not Russia buys VT from China or copies it. Not our people go to study in Chinese physical-mathematical / engineering, etc. Universities, if they go there, then as teachers. Well, Sohu and J-20 ... you will not praise yourself, no one will praise.
    I just do not understand why the work of other states is belittled.
    Here we have, as diplomatically: “It has no analogues in the world” :)))
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      Quote: codetalker

      I just do not understand why the work of other states is belittled.
      Here we have, as diplomatically: “It has no analogues in the world” :)))


      Manifestation of Growth Disease ...
  20. Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 16: 56 New
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    Let the Chinese surpass the Su-30MKK in all respects for a start, I'm not talking about the Su-35

    ahh .. yes, yes ... are those dryers that still have no AFAR? which is already on almost all competitors?
  21. Ratmir_Ryazan 23 May 2020 16: 57 New
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    No facts, only Chinese propaganda))).

    Su-57 consists of composite materials, they make up 25% of the mass and about 70% of its surface, the design of the airframe eliminates right angles. All this allows you to get a fairly low ESR and not the fact that the Chinese aircraft they are better.

    They also did not learn how to make engines, but they shout that they have the best aircraft in the world))).
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      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan


      They also did not learn how to make engines, but they shout that they have the best aircraft in the world))).


      Let them shout, they need to assert themselves.
  22. Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 17: 07 New
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    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    Su-57 consists of composite materials

    This is true for all 5 generations of aircraft
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    not the fact that they are better with a Chinese plane

    Alas...
  23. cniza 23 May 2020 17: 08 New
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    By stealth in the infrared, the Russian Su-57 is not as good as the F-22, F-35 or J-20.


    It is designed for the domestic audience ...
  24. Ded_Mazay 23 May 2020 17: 13 New
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    Sohu, as I look, has been quite active lately in trying to insert some kind of hairpin in Russia. If my memory doesn’t fail me, then Charles Zhang is the founder of sohu, although a Chinese man received his doctorate at 93m in Massachusetts Technological (MTI).
  25. bar
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    It seems that the author of this tirade personally compared

    One gets the impression that the news in the world is over, and again I had to switch to reposting the fabrications of iksperds from Sohu sad
  26. EXPrompt 23 May 2020 17: 19 New
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    A country that makes copies of Russian engines. And I can say with confidence that bad copies (either a small resource or fuel are consumed like three Russian ones).

    And the secret is simple from Mr. and sticks. A good modern 5th generation fighter can be assembled, but a maximum 4th engine is obtained, moreover, the Soviet one is still 40 years old.
    By the way, sticks and humus - have an extremely low ERP)))
  27. komandir8 23 May 2020 17: 33 New
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    This informational Internet portal is written by everyone who is not too lazy .... like in our social networks ....
  28. ximkim 23 May 2020 17: 43 New
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    Well, they’ll start now: we have one, they don’t have one. There is no airplane (the 5th generation is full-fledged), it’s okay. The main thing is to rush slowly and not be pulled into fashion without any analogy.
  29. Junior Private 23 May 2020 17: 49 New
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    Interceptor bomber. The couple blew ...

    What's wrong with that? Intercepted and bombed. If you imagine, a beautiful picture is obtained.
    It’s high time for the Chinese in the 5th generation classification to register “motor resources no less than”, otherwise they don’t even pull 3 engines.
  30. lopuhan2006 23 May 2020 18: 16 New
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    Interceptor bomber. The couple blew ...

    Equip the MiG-31 with sighting equipment and get an interceptor-bomber. I’m not funny because it is also a military unit.
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      Equip the IL-76 with sighting equipment - and there will be a long-range bomber. Identity unit
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      Quote: lopuhan2006
      Equip MiG-31 with sighting equipment

      Well, in fact, moment 31 with a dagger under his belly and that is
  31. Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 18: 36 New
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    google "photo flight of the Su-57 with an engine of 2 stages" and find there a flat nozzle.
    He was not in the plans for SU-57 ...

    I dare to ask - is the notorious "flat nozzle" a panacea?

    for visibility in the IR range this is the main factor + the shape of the air intakes
    1. Hwostatij 23 May 2020 19: 00 New
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      And how does the shape of the air intakes affect IR visibility?
      Schoolchildren have a vacation, an addition to the iksperd’s regiment)))
      1. Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 19: 03 New
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        For Google educational program to help.
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          Well, take advantage)
      2. Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 19: 15 New
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        although, okay, for such a case I will give a hint. because you hardly know how to use Google
        Do you think that in the frontal plane of the fighter the radiation of the hot part of the engine is visible?
        How to screen it?
        S-shaped air intake duct, partitions, coatings
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          Of course, the fighter exhaust is perfectly visible in its frontal plane. Only the s-shape of the air intake can save from this most critical unmasking factor.
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            Bravo! success good
            1. Hwostatij 23 May 2020 20: 15 New
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              Mde ... Sarcasm did not pass ... Next time I will have emoticons, table, add ...
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              X-u..shaped form will definitely provide invisibility, especially with the "excitation" of free organs ...)
      3. lopuhan2006 23 May 2020 19: 32 New
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        Take advice and learn to at least google ....
    2. Cyril G ... 23 May 2020 22: 53 New
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      On F-35 the nozzle is round if that.
  32. Nicholas 23 May 2020 18: 57 New
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    Every sandpiper praises its swamp, that’s the whole danger of China that America runs into Russia and China, and China, and that China should conquer the markets of the whole World. Well, as in Spain. Personally, I think the F-22 is a good aircraft, the F-35 is not quite. And the Chinese are torn from the developments. raw and still unfinished. but again, the Chinese will bring down the price and achieve supplies. Our SU-57 needs the engines of the 2nd stage as much as possible. armament is not bad, and then you need to work with flat nozzles. We need a 5th generation aircraft of the MIG company of the 6th generation in order to master these technologies to perfection, and in order for any raving Chinese publications to knock the ground about rumors of the 5th generation. and while the truth is there are no new engines. the thing is going very slowly and the reflectivity wants to be the best, although Russia did the plane.
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    ZVS 23 May 2020 18: 58 New
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    This is not only the low efficiency of the aviation industry, but the whole range of measures from the creation of an aircraft, a set of tests, prompt correction by designers of the identified shortcomings during the test period and to the industrial production of aircraft. Not unimportant, and sometimes the main role is played by lobbyists of Boeing's interests in the government, ministries and various committees ..
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      Schoolchildren, how did you ... tire with your ... heresy.
  34. jaroff 23 May 2020 18: 59 New
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    The Chinese said, sitting down in the cockpit of the Su-35.
  35. lopuhan2006 23 May 2020 19: 27 New
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    Quote: Andrey Zhukov
    although, okay, for such a case I will give a hint. because you hardly know how to use Google
    Do you think that in the frontal plane of the fighter the radiation of the hot part of the engine is visible?
    How to screen it?
    S-shaped air intake duct, partitions, coatings

    It is useless to explain to idiots, for they reject any that differs from their opinion and your advice will not help them.
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      You better continue the topic about the interceptor-bomber
  36. lopuhan2006 23 May 2020 20: 00 New
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    You better continue the topic about the interceptor-bomber

    Neighing I look to your face)
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      It’s a sin not to laugh with your comments)
  37. Simfy 23 May 2020 20: 34 New
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    It's a cloudy evening in Crimea today, but this article raised my mood better than the feuilleton in "Pepper" or "Crocodile" of the years of my youth .... THANKS to the Chinese)))
  38. Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 20: 47 New
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    Quote: Andrey Zhukov
    Down and Out trouble started. Bringing their engines.
    And they rivet their planes quickly and inexpensively.
    And they can sell without problems and sanctions.

    Precisely, dashing trouble is the beginning. Now the Americans began to strangle Chinese electronics, and then proceed to total strangulation. Those. all types of sanctions imposed against the Russian Federation will be applied to China, and even with a plus.

    let's see ...
  39. 7,62h54 23 May 2020 21: 09 New
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    The basis of the foundations of the aircraft is the engine. But the Chinese have problems with this unit.
  40. Sibguest 23 May 2020 21: 30 New
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    NARROW-FILMED: our J-20 fighter is better than others
    QUESTION: which is better?
    NARROW FILM: than others
    (editorial comment: no comments)
  41. Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 22: 36 New
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    Quote: Andrey Zhukov
    another form of air intakes

    But this is not for the IR range, it is for hiding the engine blades in the radio range. And the shape of the nozzle does not help much for camouflage in IR - only from very old missiles ...

    S-shaped air intakes not for stealth in IR?
  42. vkd.dvk 23 May 2020 22: 42 New
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    Quote: Andrey Zhukov
    Quote: letinant
    And I can say with confidence that bad copies (either a small resource or fuel are consumed like three Russian ones).

    Down and Out trouble started. Bringing their engines.
    And they rivet their planes quickly and inexpensively.
    And they can sell without problems and sanctions.
    In a few years, we will have to deal with them in the market with our 4 ++ ones.
    Our pepelats take completely frostbitten or poor, who are not afraid of sanctions

    They make and sell stolen copies, and only because the penguins considered them enemies of the USSR-Russia. The time has come to consider them your enemies, and the lafa through looking through the fingers at the art of crooks will cease. The period of sanctions begins, turning into sanctions for illegal copying of someone else's. At first, his own, and then massively, for everything.
  43. vkd.dvk 23 May 2020 22: 50 New
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    The basis of the foundations of the aircraft is the engine. But the Chinese have problems with this unit.

    The engine is not the most difficult. Management of the product made for the highest accuracy in an unbalanced pattern. A well-balanced airplane does not spin well. He strongly resists bending. With all my being. The piece of iron, striving in every possible way to make a feint, and fall, can do wonders. But to compensate for the burrow, the control system must in milliseconds pull the reins in one direction or another. And this is not only programs, but also actuators, hung in abundance where it’s difficult to even think. A pilot, he cannot do this of any skill.


    It is known how many I-16s were brisk during the war years. But inexperienced pilots fought on them in a multitude. That is why.
  44. vkd.dvk 23 May 2020 23: 09 New
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    Quote: SU
    This is not only the low efficiency of the aviation industry, but the whole range of measures from the creation of an aircraft, a set of tests, prompt correction by designers of the identified shortcomings during the test period and to the industrial production of aircraft. Not unimportant, and sometimes the main role is played by lobbyists of Boeing's interests in the government, ministries and various committees ..

    What do you understand in the complexes? The collapse of the USSR made the industry, consisting of unconnected pieces. All ties are torn, and not only between the links remaining in different republics, some of which have become hostile, but also within Russia itself. A couple of examples, the Armenians decided that they did not need to make mercury tube lamps, poison their Ararat valley, and electric lamps disappeared throughout the country. Estonians decided that it was necessary to produce auto electrics for dollars, and the production of KAMAZ trucks stopped. Neither one nor the other has dollars.
    And so it was, until they built the most necessary for themselves. All in all, hundreds of thousands of industries are needed. Or half-dead, or create anew, at an already modern level. Where can I get the money, can you say? And what to do first of all?
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      Restored individual production links do not produce results. It is necessary to restore the entire production, from the extraction of raw materials to super-micron production.
  45. tolmachiev51 24 May 2020 04: 05 New
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    It seems that a moderator who knows the Chinese language has appeared on the site. Any technique has a flaw. Perfect does not exist. The Chinese need at least something to do their own from scratch, because, as the basis of the "copy", and fitting the original, do not lead to good.
  46. cord 24 May 2020 06: 04 New
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    So the American no longer falls under the criteria!
    https://www.defensenews.com/air/2020/04/24/the-pentagon-will-have-to-live-with-limits-on-f-35s-supersonic-flights/
  47. vkd.dvk 24 May 2020 09: 51 New
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    Quote: tolmachiev51
    It seems that a moderator who knows the Chinese language has appeared on the site. Any technique has a flaw. Perfect does not exist. The Chinese need at least something to do their own from scratch, because, as the basis of the "copy", and fitting the original, do not lead to good.

    In order to copy, and not to spoil, you need to understand WHY the designer did it this way and not otherwise. There are many options for solving the same problem. And, the more difficult the task, the more solutions.
    A good car is not one that is built only from good solutions. this does not happen in principle. Any thing consists at the same time of positive and negative properties. This is not breaking. So, a good car is the right choice, a balance of qualities between millions of “good” and “bad”. And to make the right choice, you need to "Crawl into the brains of the DEVELOPER" to understand why he did so. It is no less difficult than to do a thing with your own hands, and from scratch.
    And the last copy is ALWAYS worse than the original.
  48. Nitarius 24 May 2020 10: 19 New
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    it's simple)) provoke ours to light up the car .. that's a mustache))
  49. lopvlad 24 May 2020 16: 59 New
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    China surpassed Russia by creating its own J-20 fighter, which was built using stealth technology and which is already in service with the country's air force.


    this is written by the press of those who are not able to make a tank that would not constantly break down on the tank biathlon and surpass the Russian t-72. Stealth technologies in Yugoslavia have shown that it is stupid to rely on them.
  50. Oleg Sherstnev 25 May 2020 01: 24 New
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    Dear "Military Review" stop writing CHUSH ... Chinese site full Sucks. !!!!!