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Sohu: The Russian military can only complain about the low efficiency of the aircraft industry

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The Chinese portal Sohu came out with material dedicated to fifth-generation fighters. The material says that today "only two countries of the world have mastered the production technology of such fighters."


From Sohu Material:

And among these countries there is no Russia. These are the USA and China. China has surpassed Russia by creating its own J-20 fighter, which is built using stealth technology and which is already in service with the country's air force. And the Russian military can only complain about the low efficiency of the aircraft industry.

Further, the author, continuing to extol the Chinese J-20 fighters, writes that in the USA "initially they did not believe in the success of Chinese aircraft manufacturers in terms of creating stealth fighters." But in the end, according to Sohu, along with the American F-22 and F-35, the Chinese J-20 stealth fighter appeared.

At the same time, it is added on the Chinese resource that Russia is building a fifth-generation fighter Su-57, "however, it has problems with stealth." On what basis does the Chinese author draw a conclusion of this kind, he certainly cannot say. But he allows himself the following statement:

By stealth in the infrared, the Russian Su-57 is not as good as the F-22, F-35 or J-20.


One gets the impression that the author of this tirade personally compared the fighters he examined in terms of stealth indicators, including indicators in the infrared range mentioned. For obvious reasons, the author of the material for Sohu does not have any specific data, and therefore all these statements in the “not so good” style look exclusively as author's fantasies, designed to convince primarily Chinese users that the J-20 is “the best of the best ".
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  1. Voltsky
    Voltsky 23 May 2020 14: 55 New
    +8
    is invisibility a panacea? :)
    1. letinant
      letinant 23 May 2020 15: 33 New
      26
      A country that makes copies of Russian engines. And I can say with confidence that bad copies (either a small resource or fuel are consumed like three Russian ones). And on the other hand, I don’t care, even if we have airplanes, 3+, 4 ++, 100-500+, but they shoot me down better than anyone else, they’re not buying from under the stick and that’s enough for me.
      1. Andrey Zhukov
        Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 16: 54 New
        -13
        Quote: letinant
        And I can say with confidence that bad copies (either a small resource or fuel are consumed like three Russian ones).

        Down and Out trouble started. Bringing their engines.
        And they rivet their planes quickly and inexpensively.
        And they can sell without problems and sanctions.
        In a few years, we will have to deal with them in the market with our 4 ++ ones.
        Our pepelats take completely frostbitten or poor, who are not afraid of sanctions
        1. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 23 May 2020 20: 45 New
          +4
          Quote: Andrey Zhukov
          Down and Out trouble started. Bringing their engines.
          And they rivet their planes quickly and inexpensively.
          And they can sell without problems and sanctions.

          Precisely, dashing trouble is the beginning. Now the Americans began to strangle Chinese electronics, and then proceed to total strangulation. Those. all types of sanctions imposed against the Russian Federation will be applied to China, and even with a plus.
        2. Cottodraton
          Cottodraton 24 May 2020 07: 51 New
          +4
          For 30 years they have already been "improving" them and still nothing ... And yes, I can say quite confidently that despite some problems with the organization of work, our airplane drinking is not backward for a long time. However, the sloppers from China are hardly aware of this, because this rabble, at least, is not allowed to enter our plant even on a cannon shot since the beginning of the two thousandth
        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 25 May 2020 00: 27 New
          +1
          They have been upgrading their engines for 30 years, like gas turbines for the energy sector - the result is a little more than not horseradish. The first is bought from Russia, the second from Germany.
      2. Voltsky
        Voltsky 23 May 2020 16: 56 New
        -26
        Quote: letinant
        but they’re the best shot down


        wow how much pathos :) Urya-patriot we are the best and the coolest !!!
        1. Cottodraton
          Cottodraton 24 May 2020 07: 55 New
          +4
          In the SGA, a flag sticks out of every ass and everyone speaks in the same spirit ... and this is called patriotism. But liberals like you are making fun of the same thing here. What's the point? Everywhere "urya", what's the problem then? Much better than your eternal self-abasement and whining. At least it doesn't poison your negativity and bile ...
          1. Voltsky
            Voltsky 24 May 2020 09: 18 New
            -4
            probably the problem is that I personally do not like such people :)
            1. letinant
              letinant 25 May 2020 03: 25 New
              0
              Quote: Voletsky
              probably the problem is that I personally do not like such people :)

              I don’t care what you don’t like.
        2. businessv
          businessv 24 May 2020 17: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: Voletsky
          wow how much pathos :) Urya-patriot we are the best and the coolest !!!
          Anyway, it’s better in any way than to groan that everything is gone! Or do you prefer it:
          look exclusively copyright fantasies designed to convince primarily Chinese users that the J-20 - "the best of the best."
          Sometimes it would also be nice for us to read such articles from our authors about our technology, and not stupidly praise everything that has been done over the hill! hi
          1. Voltsky
            Voltsky 24 May 2020 17: 26 New
            0
            Urya-Urya and everything is lost - these are equally alien to me radical opinions; and it seems to me that a cold assessment without unnecessary emotions is much better. but I emphasize - this is strictly my opinion, and I expressed it; and as you have now addressed me with a remark addressed to me because my opinion differs from yours, so he wrote to him in the same vein.
            Available explained?
            1. businessv
              businessv 24 May 2020 17: 59 New
              +2
              Quote: Voletsky
              Available explained?

              And I gave an occasion to ask such questions? laughing You piled in one pile utryalok and our military experience
              Urya-patriot we are the best and the coolest of all !!!
              I actively disliked this, because yes, I think that our soldiers, in the words of Zhvanetsky, "will not help out in a fight, they will win in a war"! hi
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 23 May 2020 20: 25 New
        -5
        Quote: letinant
        shoot down best of all

        And who was shot down?
      4. Polente the Wanderer
        Polente the Wanderer 23 May 2020 21: 12 New
        +3
        We have too few combat aircraft
      5. Federal1
        Federal1 24 May 2020 19: 29 New
        0
        subtle sarcasm .... Mig-29- F15,16 in the Maim 0-40, not in favor of Mig and so subtly said, with knowledge of the matter right from the couch :)
      6. keeper03
        keeper03 26 May 2020 11: 36 New
        0
        We are already beginning to lose to China in the "information war"! belay
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 23 May 2020 16: 26 New
      -19
      This is an extremely important parameter.
      Stealth is a much more important parameter than over-maneuverability.
      1. Voltsky
        Voltsky 23 May 2020 16: 49 New
        16
        Quote: SovAr238A
        This is an extremely important parameter.
        Stealth is a much more important parameter than over-maneuverability.

        And if the decimeter range sees this "stealth", and the missiles have a homing head already in the centimeter range, which allows it to aim at stealth at short distances on its own without the aid of target designation systems; I hesitate to ask, what then?! :)

        I just think that rab and rap are more important parameters :) it allows the racket either to be directed in the wrong direction or to bang much earlier than necessary :) And you need a plow on the forum in order to further defend the wonders of "stealth"
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 23 May 2020 17: 29 New
        +6
        Quote: SovAr238A
        Stealth is a much more important parameter than over-maneuverability.

        In real battles, did you check, or do you focus on commercials?
    3. cniza
      cniza 23 May 2020 17: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: Voletsky
      is invisibility a panacea? :)


      More like a myth ...
      1. Voltsky
        Voltsky 23 May 2020 17: 24 New
        +6
        Quote: cniza

        More like a myth ...

        Well, you know this as a contraceptive, it would be better if it were, but not useful; than it would be nice to have, but no
        1. cniza
          cniza 23 May 2020 17: 39 New
          +7
          Of course, and most importantly, that they would buy it ...
          1. Voltsky
            Voltsky 23 May 2020 18: 03 New
            +3
            Well, for this soyuznechkov you need to strain yours, and in which case offer a rollback :)
            1. cniza
              cniza 23 May 2020 18: 11 New
              +8
              So they do, why reinvent the wheel - NATO is primarily a market for American weapons ...
              1. Voltsky
                Voltsky 23 May 2020 18: 14 New
                +4
                more actively, and more insistently, and the most patriotic to break out their hands, because nefig look to the side.
                Many countries have Gaster, let them take what you offer; but no, well, the visa regime is also free.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 23 May 2020 18: 54 New
                  +3
                  A lot of things could be done, but for this you need to want, and then be able to ...
                  1. Voltsky
                    Voltsky 23 May 2020 18: 55 New
                    +5
                    when you want to, with time you can be able to :)
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 23 May 2020 19: 03 New
                      +3
                      God grant, but in life it’s not always like that ... often those who want know and don’t give anything to do, but that doesn’t mean that you don’t have to try ... yes
                    2. really
                      really 23 May 2020 21: 18 New
                      +3
                      There is also an option when the Wishlist is left, but the urge is no longer obtained as before. laughing
                      1. Voltsky
                        Voltsky 24 May 2020 09: 19 New
                        0
                        impotence :)
                2. Cottodraton
                  Cottodraton 24 May 2020 08: 07 New
                  0
                  Who has "you"? Who!
                  1. Voltsky
                    Voltsky 24 May 2020 09: 36 New
                    +1
                    I am a cynical Baltic :) and here only out of love for weapons
              2. Voltsky
                Voltsky 23 May 2020 18: 26 New
                10
                sorry: added
                I'm young enough, but I remember "Russians don't leave, we need slaves", do you want to be friends with these people ?! No, they should be put with cancer, and indicate where they should go, and that they would sneeze only with permission; and took only what they recommend from the city on the hill
                1. cniza
                  cniza 23 May 2020 18: 56 New
                  +2
                  And I'm not young enough.
                  but I remember "Russians do not leave, we need slaves", do you want to be friends with these people ?!


                  But did I offer to be friends with someone, I know one thing the richer you are, the more relatives and friends you have ...
            2. businessv
              businessv 24 May 2020 17: 36 New
              0
              Quote: Voletsky
              Well, for this soyuznechkov you need to strain yours, and in which case offer a rollback :)
              And name a couple of allies who can acquire but don't want to! Although, just name a couple of our not "allies", but allies.
    4. hydrox
      hydrox 23 May 2020 20: 01 New
      -7
      Quote: author
      By stealth in the infrared, the Russian Su-57 is not as good as the F-22, F-35 or J-20

      But in terms of the totality of capabilities and capabilities, one "Start" button on the Su-57 ends the mortal life of any of this trinity with at least air-to-air missiles launched at a range of up to 300 km - nothing like that is found by the Yankees or the Chinese.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 23 May 2020 20: 41 New
        +9
        "at least by air-to-air missiles launched at a range of up to 300 km" ///
        ----
        There has never been a case in the history of aviation of a military launch of an explosive rocket from such a distance.
        The maximum that was - 80 km
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 24 May 2020 08: 59 New
          0
          https://topwar.ru/143822-rossiyskie-rakety-klassa-vozduh-vozduh-istoriya-sovremennost-i-perspektivy.html
          You would not be dishonored: this is the R-37M product from the review for 2018 - read more to be less embarrassed! lol
        2. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 24 May 2020 11: 30 New
          +1
          In combat conditions and on a tactical aircraft, IMHO 57 km maximum. From what distance shot at the Indian MiG is not known. In the light of this, it makes sense to have an RVV from Dusk = 180 km, I'm talking about the AiM-120D, only if, like the RVV of the R-37 type, a drift is justified as a means of combating VTA, AWACS and strategic bombers ...
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 25 May 2020 08: 28 New
            0
            The missile range is given for high altitudes, if the target leaves with an excess, then the launch range on it is greatly reduced, therefore, a constant calculation is carried out, and the pilot is displayed "Start allowed" only if the defeat is physically possible.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 25 May 2020 08: 44 New
              0
              this is understandable, the enemy can lie abruptly on the reverse course.
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 24 May 2020 09: 06 New
        -1
        Thanks Liberde for the minus!
        I understand HOW all of you are upset by the inconsistency of the advertising data of the American weapon icon-painting for you when comparing it with real data, which is fu-35, that of Patriot.
        It is also interesting where the Yankees gathered to hide their aircraft carrier pelvis, if suddenly a mess breaks out (and it smells of gunpowder!) laughing
    5. Crimea26
      Crimea26 25 May 2020 11: 03 New
      0
      This word is called today simply "stealth". Nobody has grown up to be completely invisible.
  2. evgenii67
    evgenii67 23 May 2020 14: 59 New
    18
    Does Sokha print articles from VO? Let the Chinese surpass the Su-30MKK in all respects for a start, I'm not talking about the Su-35, and even more so ... well, you understand.
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 23 May 2020 15: 49 New
      12
      Quote: evgenii67
      Does Sokha print articles from VO?

      There are 10 times more Chinese than Russians. And writers in sokhas (not to be confused with sokhaty) - not count at all. We stupidly do not have enough life to read all their opuses about our backward BT. And if there will still be a need to answer all the articles in their yellow press (a pun, however, turned out), then life expectancy in Russia will have to be raised to 250-300 years.
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 23 May 2020 16: 16 New
        +9
        Quote: Polite Elk
        about our backward BT. And if there will still be a need to answer all the articles in their yellow press (a pun, however, turned out), then life expectancy in Russia will have to be raised to 250-300 years.

        I don’t understand, but did everyone get so excited after reading some SOCH article?
        Well, they wrote that - "In terms of stealth in the infrared range, the Russian Su-57 is not as good as the F-22, F-35 or J-20."
        And our scribblers write - "there is no analogue in the world." Let them write to themselves. And those and others. You have to earn money for a loaf of butter.
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 23 May 2020 16: 28 New
          +4
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          I don’t understand, but did everyone get so excited after reading some SOCH article?

          So otozh. Recently, this Sohu has become almost the ultimate truth here.
          1. cniza
            cniza 23 May 2020 17: 18 New
            +5
            She is trying to raise the level of patriotism within the country and no more ...
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 23 May 2020 20: 10 New
              +3
              So let them publish in their own country - why should the Russians be corrupted by other people's nonsense?
              I understand that if a Russian author compiled a review with a comparison, this is useful and necessary material, but the imperial speeches in Chinese lips are written for whom?
              1. cniza
                cniza 23 May 2020 20: 42 New
                +3
                This question is not for me, but you know to whom ...
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 24 May 2020 09: 21 New
                  +1
                  Quote: cniza
                  This question is not for me, but you know to whom ...

                  And I can tell him in plain text that our gates for enemy information warfare materials are wide open and that the Russian liberda is only strengthening, being saturated with advertising disinfection.
              2. really
                really 23 May 2020 21: 22 New
                +1
                So not a Chinese writes an article, reminds you, but he also called you an earthworm. laughing
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 23 May 2020 21: 49 New
            -2
            Quote: Polite Elk
            So otozh.

            I think I can guess in what woods "Polite Elk" roams
            1. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose 24 May 2020 12: 55 New
              +2
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              I think I can guess in what woods "Polite Elk" roams

              hi No! My forests, although they are located to the south, as well as to the west of Krasnoyarsk, are located in the Russian Federation. And in these forests for the slogans "Sala to Ukraine!", "Bandera will come ...", etc. kind and seemingly harmless mushroom pickers can dig in without asking the name. This, if I correctly understood your guess.
              PS Someone gave you a minus. I see no reason for this. I am a sinner, sometimes I insert the phrase "in French". I can be misleading. drinks
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 24 May 2020 13: 46 New
                0
                Quote: Polite Elk
                And in these forests for the slogans "Sala to Ukraine!", "Bandera will come ...", etc. kind and seemingly harmless mushroom pickers can dig in without asking the name.

                Well, although I’m not a Moose and, moreover, not polite, in our forests the same unwritten laws as in yours. drinks hi
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 23 May 2020 16: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: evgenii67
      Does Sokha print articles from VO? Let the Chinese surpass the Su-30MKK in all respects for a start, I'm not talking about the Su-35, and even more so ... well, you understand.

      What parameters do you want to exceed?
      Not tired of being measured like in sports?
      Bigger, taller, stronger?

      There is only one parameter for combat aircraft - the number of victories in aerial combat.
      Everything else is dust ...
      1. Vadim Zhivov
        Vadim Zhivov 23 May 2020 17: 53 New
        +3
        Dear! Well, how many victories does the Chinese "miracle of engineering" have ??? repeat
        1. Cormorants
          Cormorants 25 May 2020 03: 54 New
          0
          Yes, this is the market. The article is intended for potential buyers.
  3. knn54
    knn54 23 May 2020 14: 59 New
    +6
    And what about the detection by the Su-30 radar of the flight of the "Chinese invisible" in the Tibet region?
  4. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 23 May 2020 15: 01 New
    10
    And that the Chinese have already learned to do motors better than us? Go and an analogue of the product "30" in the series !? And they surpassed us in terms of resource?
  5. Well done
    Well done 23 May 2020 15: 02 New
    +4
    The Chinese are bending their line. Sofa expert and patriot. No wonder.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 23 May 2020 18: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Welldone
      The Chinese are bending their line. Sofa expert and patriot. No wonder.

      Ordinary propaganda ... Please note that the Chinese media stopped publishing interviews with Chinese aircraft designers, as they gave out points of view that were completely opposite to all this "patriotism", it turned out awkward ...
  6. Svetlana
    Svetlana 23 May 2020 15: 05 New
    -1
    Everything is fine..
    The Chinese praises the Chinese and you, unobtrusively, the Russian. Everything is as it should be.
    ***
    -On what basis does the Chinese author draw a conclusion of this kind, he certainly cannot say. 

    Everything is simple too. The Chinese are already in service, but the Russian is not.
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 May 2020 15: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: Svetlana
      Everything is fine..
      The Chinese praises the Chinese and you, unobtrusively, the Russian. Everything is as it should be

      Only a Chinese man in the street reads only a Chinese "expert" on all issues. And VO carefully provides our inhabitant with such valuable opuses by such competent Chinese comrades.
  7. vladcub
    vladcub 23 May 2020 15: 10 New
    +3
    "to convince first of all Chinese users that j-20 is" the best of the best "Chinese and so accustomed:" we are the best of the best "or" in the world only 2 countries are capable of producing such a miracle, who are the first of modesty to keep silent. " signal: 1 to potential buyers - do not forget about us And 2 personally to Washington - guys, mind you if you need we will kick your ass.
  8. Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 23 May 2020 15: 15 New
    +2
    Apparently, in the modern world this has become a part of advertising. Normal phenomenon.
  9. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 23 May 2020 15: 22 New
    +4
    Another couch expert praises an airplane that he never flew on and which he most likely did not even see live.
  10. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 23 May 2020 15: 29 New
    +3
    you will not praise yourself, no one will praise ...
  11. senima56
    senima56 23 May 2020 15: 31 New
    +3
    Unfortunately, we have to complain about the "low efficiency" of our entire industry!
    Wherever you look - "due dates are shifting to the right"!
    "It's a shame for the State!"
  12. lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 23 May 2020 15: 35 New
    -4
    Perhaps in the infrared range increased visibility due to round nozzles.
    In terms of flight capabilities, the Chinese are more likely an analogue of the Phantom those interceptor-bomber, but not a fighter.
    F-22 is the fighter standard at the moment.
    We are waiting for the Su-57 in the second edition with the provisions of the engines, with circular electronics, with new missiles.
    1. Hwostatij
      Hwostatij 23 May 2020 16: 14 New
      +9
      Interceptor bomber. The couple blew ...
    2. Andrey Zhukov
      Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 16: 59 New
      -5
      I'm afraid that the Su-57 even in the second edition will not receive flat nozzles ...
      which means that the visibility in the IR will be much lower than for the f-22, and lower than for the f-35 (because there is 1 engine, and we have 2)
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 23 May 2020 17: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Zhukov
        I'm afraid that the Su-57 even in the second edition will not receive flat nozzles ...
        And let's be afraid together? wink

        Quote: Andrey Zhukov

        which means that the visibility in the IR will be much lower than for the f-22, and lower than for the f-35 (because there is 1 engine, and we have 2)
        You know that after these words I got sick of fear. laughing
        1. Andrey Zhukov
          Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 17: 22 New
          -5
          Quote: sabakina
          I got sick of fear

          google "photo flight of Su-57 with stage 2 engine" and find a flat nozzle there.
          He was not in the plans for SU-57 ...
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 23 May 2020 18: 33 New
            +2
            Quote: Andrey Zhukov
            google "photo flight of Su-57 with stage 2 engine" and find a flat nozzle there.
            He was not in the plans for SU-57 ...

            I dare to ask - is the notorious "flat nozzle" a panacea?
            1. Andrey Zhukov
              Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 18: 39 New
              -4
              for visibility in the IR range this is the main factor + the shape of the air intakes
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 23 May 2020 22: 02 New
                0
                Quote: Andrey Zhukov
                another form of air intakes

                But this is not for the IR range, it is for hiding the engine blades in the radio range. And the shape of the nozzle does not help much for camouflage in IR - only from very old missiles ...
            2. Charik
              Charik 23 May 2020 19: 08 New
              +3
              Yes, if it's flat, then write everything is gone, I will win all
          2. EvilLion
            EvilLion 25 May 2020 08: 46 New
            0
            Because bad dumb put such nonsense on the plane. Did you know that a flat nozzle is a serious loss of traction?
      2. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 23 May 2020 21: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Zhukov
        I'm afraid that the Su-57 even in the second edition will not receive flat nozzles ...
        which means that the visibility in the IR will be much lower than for the f-22, and lower than for the f-35 (because there is 1 engine, and we have 2)

        The F-35 also does not have flat nozzles. And that is not stealth in your opinion? lol
        1. Andrey Zhukov
          Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 21: 40 New
          -2
          they are all stealth, but to varying degrees.
          f-35 to a greater extent than su-35
          1. Sky strike fighter
            Sky strike fighter 23 May 2020 21: 46 New
            +2
            You wrote about fears that the Su-57 will not receive flat nozzles, so maybe you should not be afraid of this, because the same F-35 from your own words and without flat nozzles is a stealth fighter?
            Quote: Andrey Zhukov
            they are all stealth, but to varying degrees.
            f-35 to a greater extent than su-35

            Su-35 was never declared as a stealth fighter. request
            1. Andrey Zhukov
              Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 22: 23 New
              0
              described. I meant su-57
              1. Alexander Seklitsky
                Alexander Seklitsky 24 May 2020 09: 31 New
                +1
                Quote: Andrey Zhukov
                described.

                Well, you are not so neat my friend laughing
                1. Sky strike fighter
                  Sky strike fighter 24 May 2020 09: 45 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
                  Quote: Andrey Zhukov
                  described.

                  Well, you are not so neat my friend laughing

                  What letter should the accent be put on? On the letter and or on the letter a? lol
      3. ultra
        ultra 24 May 2020 23: 37 New
        0
        Flat nozzles were tested in the Sukhoi Design Bureau back in the eighties.
    3. SaLaR
      SaLaR 23 May 2020 18: 16 New
      -6
      By the time he appears, the Chinese and Americans will already be flying on the 7th generation
    4. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay 23 May 2020 21: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: lopuhan2006
      bomber interceptor
      this is the one who is the "fruit of love" hedgehog with a snake ??? lol
  13. Siberian 66
    Siberian 66 23 May 2020 15: 39 New
    13
    I don’t understand at all, Sohu writes frank nonsense, which speaks of her specific yellowness and unhealthy ambitiousness. Why print this nonsense? Our caravan goes its own way, and you should not even notice mongrels on the sidelines. We should be interested in the opinion of professionals here and beyond the hill. And not the magazine from the yellow edition.
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 May 2020 17: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: Siberian 66
      And not the magazine from the yellow edition.


      Since China is on the first lines, and their professionals are silent because they understand, this publication comes from here ...
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 23 May 2020 18: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: cniza
        and their professionals are silent because they understand

        Rather, their professionals simply do not give more words - for it went against the article like these ...
        1. cniza
          cniza 23 May 2020 19: 04 New
          +4
          You can say so, and they will not be allowed, in China it is as easy as shelling pears ...
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 23 May 2020 22: 00 New
            +3
            Quote: cniza
            You can say so, and they will not be allowed, in China it is as easy as shelling pears ..

            On the site you can search last year's articles by the same "Sokhata" on the 5th generation fighters - they interviewed Chinese engineers working in this area a couple of times, they said about the same thing as many members of the forum - "we need to go to China first To catch up with the Su-35, and only then think about the 5th generation. " After several such "embarrassments" interviews with engineers ceased, giving everything to scribblers, journalists ...
            1. cniza
              cniza 23 May 2020 22: 06 New
              +5
              This is not a secret, and to whom we must prove something, there is a struggle for sales markets and no more ...
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 23 May 2020 22: 07 New
                +1
                Quote: cniza
                This is not a secret, and to whom we must prove something, there is a struggle for sales markets and no more ...

                So the fact is that Chinese pepelats of the "5th generation" type are unlikely to interest anyone in the foreign market - firstly, the price is already tangible, and secondly, all their potential customers prefer proven clones of our dryers ...
  14. iouris
    iouris 23 May 2020 16: 07 New
    -4
    You read the comments and understand: there is nothing to complain about, everything is just fine!
  15. Tarasios
    Tarasios 23 May 2020 16: 07 New
    11
    yes ... This is a long-standing historical tradition of different countries: to loudly declare the outstanding steepness of your army and climb to butt with Russia, for magic cots. In this regard, France, Poland, Prussia, Germany, Turkey and so on are willing to share their experience;) Russia is the official calibrator of ChSV of any country;)
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 May 2020 17: 13 New
      +4
      History is forgotten, and then puffed ...
  16. Yuri Mikhailovsky
    Yuri Mikhailovsky 23 May 2020 16: 14 New
    +1
    Well, well ... sushi however ...
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 23 May 2020 17: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: Yuri Mikhailovsky
      Well, well ... sushi however ...

      Why, normal thing, if done by a professional. I just don’t understand, what for do liquid sauce, which instantly flows back? request
  17. Arhizaman
    Arhizaman 23 May 2020 16: 17 New
    +5
    If my memory serves me right on their planes are our engines. 4 hundreds bought 6 years ago
  18. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 23 May 2020 16: 39 New
    +3
    Further, the author, continuing to extol the Chinese J-20 fighters, writes that in the USA "initially they did not believe in the success of Chinese aircraft manufacturers in terms of creating stealth fighters."

    And now they don't believe much. And in general - no one, except for the "elk" part of the Chinese themselves. request
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 May 2020 17: 12 New
      +5
      But cheeks will blow and boast ...
  19. codetalker
    codetalker 23 May 2020 16: 51 New
    0
    I do not want to offend anyone. But not Russia buys VT from China or copies it. Not our people go to study in Chinese physical-mathematical / engineering, etc. Universities, if they go there, then as teachers. Well, Sohu and J-20 ... you will not praise yourself, no one will praise.
    I just do not understand why the work of other states is belittled.
    Here we have, as diplomatically: “It has no analogues in the world” :)))
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 May 2020 17: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: codetalker

      I just do not understand why the work of other states is belittled.
      Here we have, as diplomatically: “It has no analogues in the world” :)))


      Manifestation of Growth Disease ...
  20. Andrey Zhukov
    Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 16: 56 New
    -12
    Quote: evgenii67
    Let the Chinese surpass the Su-30MKK in all respects for a start, I'm not talking about the Su-35

    ahh .. yes, yes ... are those dryers that still have no AFAR? which is already on almost all competitors?
  21. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 23 May 2020 16: 57 New
    +7
    No facts, only Chinese propaganda))).

    Su-57 consists of composite materials, they make up 25% of the mass and about 70% of its surface, the design of the airframe eliminates right angles. All this allows you to get a fairly low ESR and not the fact that the Chinese aircraft they are better.

    They also did not learn how to make engines, but they shout that they have the best aircraft in the world))).
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 May 2020 17: 09 New
      +5
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan


      They also did not learn how to make engines, but they shout that they have the best aircraft in the world))).


      Let them shout, they need to assert themselves.
  22. Andrey Zhukov
    Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 17: 07 New
    -7
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    Su-57 consists of composite materials

    This is true for all 5 generations of aircraft
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    not the fact that they are better with a Chinese plane

    Alas...
  23. cniza
    cniza 23 May 2020 17: 08 New
    +3
    By stealth in the infrared, the Russian Su-57 is not as good as the F-22, F-35 or J-20.


    It is designed for the domestic audience ...
  24. Ded_Mazay
    Ded_Mazay 23 May 2020 17: 13 New
    +3
    Sohu, as I look, has been quite active lately in trying to insert some kind of hairpin in Russia. If my memory doesn’t fail me, then Charles Zhang is the founder of sohu, although a Chinese man received his doctorate at 93m in Massachusetts Technological (MTI).
  25. bar
    bar 23 May 2020 17: 17 New
    +4
    It seems that the author of this tirade personally compared

    One gets the impression that the news in the world is over, and again I had to switch to reposting the fabrications of iksperds from Sohu sad
  26. EXPrompt
    EXPrompt 23 May 2020 17: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: letinant
    A country that makes copies of Russian engines. And I can say with confidence that bad copies (either a small resource or fuel are consumed like three Russian ones).

    And the secret is simple from Mr. and sticks. A good modern 5th generation fighter can be assembled, but a maximum 4th engine is obtained, moreover, the Soviet one is still 40 years old.
    By the way, sticks and humus - have an extremely low ERP)))
  27. komandir8
    komandir8 23 May 2020 17: 33 New
    +2
    This informational Internet portal is written by everyone who is not too lazy .... like in our social networks ....
  28. ximkim
    ximkim 23 May 2020 17: 43 New
    +1
    Well, they’ll start now: we have one, they don’t have one. There is no airplane (the 5th generation is full-fledged), it’s okay. The main thing is to rush slowly and not be pulled into fashion without any analogy.
  29. Junior Private
    Junior Private 23 May 2020 17: 49 New
    +4
    Quote: Hwostatij
    Interceptor bomber. The couple blew ...

    What's wrong with that? Intercepted and bombed. If you imagine, a beautiful picture is obtained.
    It is high time for the Chinese in the classification of the 5th generation, to prescribe "motor resource no less than", otherwise they do not pull even by 3 engines on engines.
  30. lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 23 May 2020 18: 16 New
    0
    Quote: Hwostatij
    Interceptor bomber. The couple blew ...

    Equip the MiG-31 with sighting equipment and get an interceptor-bomber. I’m not funny because it is also a military unit.
    1. Hwostatij
      Hwostatij 23 May 2020 18: 44 New
      +2
      Equip the IL-76 with sighting equipment - and there will be a long-range bomber. Identity unit
    2. Alexander Seklitsky
      Alexander Seklitsky 24 May 2020 09: 39 New
      0
      Quote: lopuhan2006
      Equip MiG-31 with sighting equipment

      Well, in fact, moment 31 with a dagger under his belly and that is
  31. Andrey Zhukov
    Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 18: 36 New
    -4
    Quote: Albert1988
    Quote: Andrey Zhukov
    google "photo flight of Su-57 with stage 2 engine" and find a flat nozzle there.
    He was not in the plans for SU-57 ...

    I dare to ask - is the notorious "flat nozzle" a panacea?

    for visibility in the IR range this is the main factor + the shape of the air intakes
    1. Hwostatij
      Hwostatij 23 May 2020 19: 00 New
      +1
      And how does the shape of the air intakes affect IR visibility?
      Schoolchildren have a vacation, an addition to the iksperd’s regiment)))
      1. Andrey Zhukov
        Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 19: 03 New
        -2
        For Google educational program to help.
        1. Hwostatij
          Hwostatij 23 May 2020 19: 17 New
          +1
          Well, take advantage)
      2. Andrey Zhukov
        Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 19: 15 New
        -3
        although, okay, for such a case I will give a hint. because you hardly know how to use Google
        Do you think that in the frontal plane of the fighter the radiation of the hot part of the engine is visible?
        How to screen it?
        S-shaped air intake duct, partitions, coatings
        1. Hwostatij
          Hwostatij 23 May 2020 19: 44 New
          0
          Of course, the fighter exhaust is perfectly visible in its frontal plane. Only the s-shape of the air intake can save from this most critical unmasking factor.
          1. Andrey Zhukov
            Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 19: 58 New
            -3
            Bravo! success good
            1. Hwostatij
              Hwostatij 23 May 2020 20: 15 New
              -1
              Mde ... Sarcasm did not pass ... Next time I will have emoticons, table, add ...
            2. Simfy
              Simfy 23 May 2020 20: 39 New
              0
              X-y..shaped shape will definitely provide invisibility, especially when free organs are "excited" ...)
      3. lopuhan2006
        lopuhan2006 23 May 2020 19: 32 New
        -1
        Take advice and learn to at least google ....
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 23 May 2020 22: 53 New
      0
      On F-35 the nozzle is round if that.
  32. Nicholas
    Nicholas 23 May 2020 18: 57 New
    -3
    Every sandpiper praises its swamp, that’s the whole danger of China that America runs into Russia and China, and China, and that China should conquer the markets of the whole World. Well, as in Spain. Personally, I think the F-22 is a good aircraft, the F-35 is not quite. And the Chinese are torn from the developments. raw and still unfinished. but again, the Chinese will bring down the price and achieve supplies. Our SU-57 needs the engines of the 2nd stage as much as possible. armament is not bad, and then you need to work with flat nozzles. We need a 5th generation aircraft of the MIG company of the 6th generation in order to master these technologies to perfection, and in order for any raving Chinese publications to knock the ground about rumors of the 5th generation. and while the truth is there are no new engines. the thing is going very slowly and the reflectivity wants to be the best, although Russia did the plane.
  33. ZVS
    ZVS 23 May 2020 18: 58 New
    -1
    This is not only the low efficiency of the aviation industry, but the whole range of measures from the creation of an aircraft, a set of tests, prompt correction by designers of the identified shortcomings during the test period and to the industrial production of aircraft. Not unimportant, and sometimes the main role is played by lobbyists of Boeing's interests in the government, ministries and various committees ..
    1. Hwostatij
      Hwostatij 23 May 2020 19: 05 New
      0
      Schoolchildren, how did you ... tire with your ... heresy.
  34. jaroff
    jaroff 23 May 2020 18: 59 New
    +6
    The Chinese said, sitting down in the cockpit of the Su-35.
  35. lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 23 May 2020 19: 27 New
    0
    Quote: Andrey Zhukov
    although, okay, for such a case I will give a hint. because you hardly know how to use Google
    Do you think that in the frontal plane of the fighter the radiation of the hot part of the engine is visible?
    How to screen it?
    S-shaped air intake duct, partitions, coatings

    It is useless to explain to idiots, for they reject any that differs from their opinion and your advice will not help them.
    1. Hwostatij
      Hwostatij 23 May 2020 19: 49 New
      +1
      You better continue the topic about the interceptor-bomber
  36. lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 23 May 2020 20: 00 New
    -2
    Quote: Hwostatij
    You better continue the topic about the interceptor-bomber

    Neighing I look to your face)
    1. Hwostatij
      Hwostatij 23 May 2020 20: 16 New
      +1
      It’s a sin not to laugh with your comments)
  37. Simfy
    Simfy 23 May 2020 20: 34 New
    +1
    It's a cloudy evening in Crimea today, but this article lifted my spirits better than the feuilleton in "Pepper" or "Crocodile" from the years of my youth .... THANKS to the Chinese)))
  38. Andrey Zhukov
    Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 20: 47 New
    -4
    Quote: Captain Pushkin
    Quote: Andrey Zhukov
    Down and Out trouble started. Bringing their engines.
    And they rivet their planes quickly and inexpensively.
    And they can sell without problems and sanctions.

    Precisely, dashing trouble is the beginning. Now the Americans began to strangle Chinese electronics, and then proceed to total strangulation. Those. all types of sanctions imposed against the Russian Federation will be applied to China, and even with a plus.

    let's see ...
  39. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 23 May 2020 21: 09 New
    +2
    The basis of the foundations of the aircraft is the engine. But the Chinese have problems with this unit.
  40. Sibguest
    Sibguest 23 May 2020 21: 30 New
    +2
    NARROW-FILMED: our J-20 fighter is better than others
    QUESTION: which is better?
    NARROW FILM: than others
    (editorial comment: no comments)
  41. Andrey Zhukov
    Andrey Zhukov 23 May 2020 22: 36 New
    -2
    Quote: Albert1988
    Quote: Andrey Zhukov
    another form of air intakes

    But this is not for the IR range, it is for hiding the engine blades in the radio range. And the shape of the nozzle does not help much for camouflage in IR - only from very old missiles ...

    S-shaped air intakes not for stealth in IR?
  42. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 23 May 2020 22: 42 New
    0
    Quote: Andrey Zhukov
    Quote: letinant
    And I can say with confidence that bad copies (either a small resource or fuel are consumed like three Russian ones).

    Down and Out trouble started. Bringing their engines.
    And they rivet their planes quickly and inexpensively.
    And they can sell without problems and sanctions.
    In a few years, we will have to deal with them in the market with our 4 ++ ones.
    Our pepelats take completely frostbitten or poor, who are not afraid of sanctions

    They make and sell stolen copies, and only because the penguins considered them enemies of the USSR-Russia. The time has come to consider them your enemies, and the lafa through looking through the fingers at the art of crooks will cease. The period of sanctions begins, turning into sanctions for illegal copying of someone else's. At first, his own, and then massively, for everything.
  43. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 23 May 2020 22: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: 7,62x54
    The basis of the foundations of the aircraft is the engine. But the Chinese have problems with this unit.

    The engine is not the most difficult. Management of the product made for the highest accuracy in an unbalanced pattern. A well-balanced airplane does not spin well. He strongly resists bending. With all my being. The piece of iron, striving in every possible way to make a feint, and fall, can do wonders. But to compensate for the burrow, the control system must in milliseconds pull the reins in one direction or another. And this is not only programs, but also actuators, hung in abundance where it’s difficult to even think. A pilot, he cannot do this of any skill.


    It is known how many I-16s were brisk during the war years. But inexperienced pilots fought on them in a multitude. That is why.
  44. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 23 May 2020 23: 09 New
    0
    Quote: SU
    This is not only the low efficiency of the aviation industry, but the whole range of measures from the creation of an aircraft, a set of tests, prompt correction by designers of the identified shortcomings during the test period and to the industrial production of aircraft. Not unimportant, and sometimes the main role is played by lobbyists of Boeing's interests in the government, ministries and various committees ..

    What do you understand in the complexes? The collapse of the USSR made the industry, consisting of unconnected pieces. All ties are torn, and not only between the links remaining in different republics, some of which have become hostile, but also within Russia itself. A couple of examples, the Armenians decided that they did not need to make mercury tube lamps, poison their Ararat valley, and electric lamps disappeared throughout the country. Estonians decided that it was necessary to produce auto electrics for dollars, and the production of KAMAZ trucks stopped. Neither one nor the other has dollars.
    And so it was, until they built the most necessary for themselves. All in all, hundreds of thousands of industries are needed. Or half-dead, or create anew, at an already modern level. Where can I get the money, can you say? And what to do first of all?
    1. vkd.dvk
      vkd.dvk 23 May 2020 23: 22 New
      0
      Restored individual production links do not produce results. It is necessary to restore the entire production, from the extraction of raw materials to super-micron production.
  45. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 24 May 2020 04: 05 New
    -1
    It seems that a moderator who knows Chinese has appeared on the site. Any technique has flaws. Ideal does not exist. The Chinese should at least do something of their own from scratch, because, as at the heart of the "copy", and fitting to the original does not lead to good.
  46. cord
    cord 24 May 2020 06: 04 New
    0
    So the American no longer falls under the criteria!
    https://www.defensenews.com/air/2020/04/24/the-pentagon-will-have-to-live-with-limits-on-f-35s-supersonic-flights/
  47. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 24 May 2020 09: 51 New
    -1
    Quote: tolmachiev51
    It seems that a moderator who knows Chinese has appeared on the site. Any technique has flaws. Ideal does not exist. The Chinese should at least do something of their own from scratch, because, as at the heart of the "copy", and fitting to the original does not lead to good.

    In order to copy, and not to spoil, you need to understand WHY the designer did it this way and not otherwise. There are many options for solving the same problem. And, the more difficult the task, the more solutions.
    A good car is not one that is assembled only from good solutions. this does not happen in principle. Any thing consists of both positive and negative properties. It is not discontinuous. So, a good car is the right choice, a balance of qualities between millions of "good" and "bad". And to make the right choice, you need to "GET INTO THE DEVELOPER'S BRAIN" to understand WHY he did this. This is no less difficult than making a thing with your own hands, and from scratch.
    And the last copy is ALWAYS worse than the original.
  48. Nitarius
    Nitarius 24 May 2020 10: 19 New
    0
    it's simple)) provoke ours to light up the car .. that's a mustache))
  49. lopvlad
    lopvlad 24 May 2020 16: 59 New
    0
    China surpassed Russia by creating its own J-20 fighter, which was built using stealth technology and which is already in service with the country's air force.


    this is written by the press of those who are not able to make a tank that would not constantly break down on the tank biathlon and surpass the Russian t-72. Stealth technologies in Yugoslavia have shown that it is stupid to rely on them.
  50. Oleg Sherstnev
    Oleg Sherstnev 25 May 2020 01: 24 New
    0
    Dear "Voennoye Obozreniye" stop writing PURSUES ... Chinese site full of Sucks. !!!!!