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US Air Force B-1B Lancer flew fifty kilometers from the former submarine base in the Kuril Islands

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The American media came out with materials that describe the flight of 2 strategic bombers of the US Air Force B-1B Lancer "in the backyard of Russia." This is the language used by the American press. Where exactly did the American supersonic “strategists” make their flight?


It turns out that B-1B performed a flight in airspace over the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.

American information sources describe the situation as follows:

The B-1B strategic bombers carried out a global mission, during which, as trackers show, they took unprecedented steps. They entered the airspace over the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, which is surrounded on three sides by the territory of Russia.

The Drive wrote that it was the “most daring” flight of US strategic bombers in the region over the past 15 years.

In the USA, they note that such flights are carried out as part of the new strategic mission DFE (Dynamic Force Employment). Earlier, the US Air Force said that such a mission includes a change in the course of strategic aviation already in flight - receiving new introductory notes from the command. That is why, as they say in the US, such missions are "less predictable for a potential adversary."

It is known that a pair of B-1B Lancer took off from Andersen Air Base, located on the island of Guam. After that, they headed for Alaska, and then towards Japan. During the “Japanese” stage of their flight, US Air Force strategic bombers turned into airspace over the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, which the US press called the “entry into the backyard of Russia.” The flight took place in the Kuril Islands. At one point in the flight, American strategic bombers were about fifty kilometers from the Kuril island of Simushir. Previously, the island was a Soviet submarine base. The base was closed already in the time of the Russian Federation - in 1994.



It is noted that in Alaska a pair of "Lancers" received escort from the F-16 and F-22 fighters from the base of Elmendorf-Richardson to conduct joint exercises in the area of ​​the United Pacific training ground in Alaska.

Lt. Col. Ryan Stalsworth:

Such missions demonstrate our ability to hold any target in jeopardy anytime, anywhere.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 23 May 2020 07: 47 New
    -8
    US Air Force B-1B Lancer flew fifty kilometers from the former submarine base in the Kuril Islands
    Oh, you indulge there before, oh, there you fly before .... (almost Vysotsky) repeat
    1. BYCHARA
      BYCHARA 23 May 2020 09: 21 New
      -6
      Yes, let them fly so far and our air defense training is good hi
      1. ancient
        ancient 23 May 2020 10: 31 New
        +7
        Quote: BUCHARA
        Yes, let them fly so far and our air defense training is good

        And where did you "see" or "hear" from our media or the Ministry of Defense that the air defense forces and means reacted in time and a pair of MiG-31BMs from the DS of the newly revived 865th Fighter Regiment were taken into the air to intercept.

        And where is the marine OSAP ...? belay
        1. BYCHARA
          BYCHARA 23 May 2020 10: 38 New
          0
          Quote: ancient
          And where did you "see" or "hear" from our media or the Ministry of Defense that the air defense forces and means reacted in time and a pair of MiG-31BMs from the DS of the newly revived 865th Fighter Regiment were taken into the air to intercept.

          Well, who will tell us how everything was there? May be you ..? laughing
          Your questions are provocative, as if they will tell you everything with callsigns and other negotiations will be posted on the network .. There are a lot of such curious "specialists" here .. So they sniff out everything! Sometimes it is possible not to react, but to keep it at gunpoint .. This flight was precisely exploratory, and from all satellites, etc. followed us ..
          When you need to be knocked down and where they are not waiting for an air defense strike!
          1. ancient
            ancient 23 May 2020 10: 45 New
            -6
            Quote: BUCHARA
            Sometimes you don’t have to react, but keep your sight

            Have you gone to the doctors for a long time? ...Highly recommend.....
            Quote: BUCHARA
            This flight was exploratory.

            Maybe "intelligence"? (in which class are you studying ... in the 3rd? The grammar of the Russian language is not yet ... not hello?) wassat
            Quote: BUCHARA
            When you need to be knocked down and where they are not waiting for an air defense strike!

            Zagorodnoye sh., 2, g. Moscow ... to you there
            1. BYCHARA
              BYCHARA 23 May 2020 11: 03 New
              -4
              Quote: ancient
              Have you gone to the doctors for a long time? ...Highly recommend.....

              Every year ! Decided to insult? Well, here it’s been such a tactic for a long time, if I don’t agree ..
              Quote: ancient
              Maybe "intelligence"? (in which class are you studying ... in the 3rd? The grammar of the Russian language is not yet ... not hello?)

              Well, the two higher ones, so what? wink This is generally not the site of teachers of the Russian language, etc. You are our grammar (the usual course of the neoliberal)))
              Quote: ancient
              Zagorodnoye sh., 2, g. Moscow ... to you there

              You have already been there, if you know the address by heart. wassat
              .What so excited? I talked normally with you and just expressed my opinion .. From the outskirts you see, everyone is so nervous there hi
              1. ancient
                ancient 23 May 2020 11: 09 New
                -4
                Quote: BUCHARA
                Every year ! Decided to insult?

                Why insult? ... Is the recommendation already related to insult? belay
                Quote: BUCHARA
                Well, the two higher ones, so what?

                So why write so .. "clumsily" and absolutely without knowledge of the "theme" and .. "mat.part"? belay
                Quote: BUCHARA
                Why are you so excited?

                Absolutely calm wink and I expect the same to you. As far as I read and understood correctly, you deigned to put it .... like "come in large numbers here" (literally "....There are a lot of such curious "specialists" here)
                Where is it here ... how long have you been on VO ... preferably in .. "hours" laughing
                1. BYCHARA
                  BYCHARA 23 May 2020 11: 22 New
                  -4
                  Quote: ancient
                  Why insult? ... Is the recommendation already related to insult?

                  You make mistakes yourself, your hands are shaking? Oh well
                  In short, relax and learn to respect the elders ..
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 23 May 2020 12: 38 New
                    +1
                    The US Air Force B-1B Lancer flew over fifty kilometers from the former submarine base in the Kuril Islands.

                    By the way, this is very similar to the coordinated response of the NATO countries among themselves - between the US and Turkey - against the Russian Federation on issues in the BV and the SA - in Libya and Syria.
                    Since Russia transferred eight planes from Syria to help Haftar.
                    1. BYCHARA
                      BYCHARA 23 May 2020 12: 57 New
                      -7
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      The US Air Force B-1B Lancer flew over fifty kilometers from the former submarine base in the Kuril Islands.

                      By the way, this is very similar to the coordinated response of the NATO countries among themselves - between the US and Turkey - against the Russian Federation on issues in the BV and the SA - in Libya and Syria.
                      Since Russia transferred eight planes from Syria to help Haftar.

                      Perhaps Tatiana! Russia is like a bone in their throat .. And they really want to drive the "Russian bear" into a den, as in the 90s .. But alas, it's too late!
                    2. bayard
                      bayard 23 May 2020 19: 28 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      Since Russia transferred eight planes from Syria to help Haftar.

                      Yesterday there was a refutation from both Havtor and the Russian Foreign Ministry. Moreover, this fake about "6 MiG-29 and 2 Su-24" is not beaten by the types of aircraft. The satellite image shows 8 MiG-29. The color is similar to the Syrian ... but you should also look at the Egyptian MiG-29.
                      Personally, my opinion is that most likely it was Egypt that threw its MiG-29s to cover from the air from Turkish drones, Hawthor’s factions. It was they who were quicker and easier to do. They are the ones who support the Havtor, along with KSA, the UAE, France and Israel.
                      Under what matters is Russia here, I can’t imagine.
                      And Russia could not have reacted so quickly. It is necessary to prepare planes for the stage, and one stage will take how long it will take. And here a couple of days after the rout of the Havtor’s troops ...
                      The one who had the opportunity to react reacted. And hardly it was Syria. Therefore, objectively - I rely on Egypt.
                      In the Russian Federation, they said that these MiG-29s have nothing to do with the Russian Air Force, they were not in the arsenal of the Russian Federation, and therefore could not be delivered. There were reports that the pilots were from Belarus and Serbia, and the planes themselves were Belarusian ... Everything may be right.
                      But for this, the planes had to be ordered much earlier, and the fact that they appeared exactly when needed was a pure coincidence ...
                      Unlikely.
                      I remain with my opinion - the Egyptians.
                      But the "Bloomberg" stuffing, picked up by others and this flight ... yes, the usual everyday life of the Cold War. This has always been the case before.
                      And it seems those fun times are coming back.
                      If only the leadership corresponded to external and internal challenges ...

                      And about the fact that the air defense slipped this pair, the on-duty couple of interceptors from Kamchatka did not raise it to intercept and escort ... Yes, and other duty forces seemed to overslept ... Coronovirus probably ...
                      A call to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk with a turn in the middle of the Kuril ridge is a test of the duty of the air defense forces of the Russian Federation. Apparently realizing that there was no escort from Kamchatka, a decision was made to fly in the most vulnerable part of the Kuril ridge. Apparently there we have holes in the radar field ... It's a shame for colleagues ...
                2. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 23 May 2020 16: 15 New
                  -2
                  Quote: ancient
                  So why write so .. "clumsily" and absolutely without knowledge of the "theme" and .. "mat.part"?

                  Catherine the Great did not understand the grammar of the Russian language ... But that didn’t stop her from joining vast territories in the Russian Empire ... For every illiterate Great Empress, the enlightened Europe bowed low and wished the Empress the Russian (German by birth) health ... Therefore, one should not find fault with the incorrectly written words of the opponent ...
                  1. ancient
                    ancient 23 May 2020 16: 27 New
                    +4
                    Quote: 30 vis
                    Therefore, one should not find fault with the incorrectly written words of the opponent ..

                    I "found fault", as you wish to express, not ... "to the incorrectly spelled words" of the opponent, but to the MILITARY TERMS and DEFINITIONS.
                    Here is a quote - This flight was exactly exploratory What do you think, can a normal person with at least some "knowledge" write this?
                    The answer ... there is definitely no normal, therefore we are summing up a resume ... a person or ... or ... what is nitpicking? belay .
                    I don’t "drive" it a face on the table and I don’t tell that any flight of any aircraft (of all accessories and departments) has the task of performing associated aerial reconnaissance, which is performed by various radio and electronic technical means and aerial photography.
                    But since the opponent "fits" into a specific topic, then let him be kind ... "corresponds" .... or at least ... is interested soldier
                    1. Xnumx vis
                      Xnumx vis 23 May 2020 16: 56 New
                      -1
                      Quote: ancient
                      But since the opponent "fits" into a specific topic, then let him be kind ... "corresponds" .... or at least ... is interested

                      Welcome Got it ... hi
              2. ancient
                ancient 23 May 2020 16: 39 New
                +1
                Quote: BUCHARA
                This is generally not the site of teachers of the Russian language, etc. You are our grammar (the usual course of the neoliberal)))

                Why do you think that this is not a "move" by a professional who is familiar with this type of military aviation operation?
                Well, let's write - masaletic, banderer, istribok..etc.
                There is such a law "you can't fly ... don't get in the cockpit" soldier
            2. Piramidon
              Piramidon 23 May 2020 12: 55 New
              -1
              Quote: ancient
              The grammar of the Russian language is not yet ... not an ale?)

              As you already got, unemployed and unclaimed anywhere, teachers of the Russian language. Show your awesome literacy and try to humiliate your opponent with people like you in the blood! negative
              1. ancient
                ancient 23 May 2020 16: 30 New
                -1
                Quote: Piramidon
                As you already got, unemployed and unclaimed anywhere

                Is it that in you now .. "leaped"? ... a long time spent in the "stern"? wink
          2. qobnvmog
            qobnvmog 23 May 2020 18: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: BUCHARA
            Well, who will tell us how everything was there?

            On this site there are constantly brave news about the air interception in seconds and su planes of adversaries. And here it is not, the American news came out and they were reprinted.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 23 May 2020 10: 57 New
      +5
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Oh, there you indulge in, oh, there you fly.

      So ALREADY should be fly, for the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is TOTALLY INLAND SEA Russia !!

      Those. Americans flew in the airspace of Russia and ... nobody and nothing, are silent in Russia, and they ... boast ...

      Some game .... Where is the Foreign Ministry, MO?
    3. Looking for
      Looking for 23 May 2020 15: 40 New
      +3
      Well, we can all voice empty threats. And a weak pair of TU-160s walk 50 km from San Diego or Nyoport News. That's what is called an adequate response.
  2. Olgovich
    Olgovich 23 May 2020 07: 47 New
    +7
    The B-1B strategic bombers carried out a global mission, during which, as trackers show, they took unprecedented steps. They entered the airspace over the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, which is surrounded on three sides by the territory of Russia.

    The Drive wrote that it was the “most daring” flight of US strategic bombers in the region over the past 15 years.

    Here are the amazing cattle, WHAT they echo, and they provocateur, as always .... Russia!

    The Sea of ​​Okhotsk is surrounded on four sides by Russia, from the East it is the Kuril Islands.

    1. BYCHARA
      BYCHARA 23 May 2020 11: 26 New
      -6
      Quote: Olgovich
      The Sea of ​​Okhotsk is surrounded on four sides by Russia, from the East it is the Kuril Islands.

      Actually the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, this is the internal border of Russia! We staked it back in 2015, thanks to our deep-sea vehicles, etc. ..This is the richest territory of flora and fauna ..so we have every right to shoot all violators ..!
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 23 May 2020 13: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: BUCHARA
        Actually the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, this is the internal border of Russia!

        Do not confuse the economic zone with territorial waters. hi
  3. lwxx
    lwxx 23 May 2020 07: 51 New
    15
    The flight schedule shows that the board crossed the Russian border. And if so, then it should be at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean.
    1. knn54
      knn54 23 May 2020 09: 40 New
      +5
      The area of ​​their geopolitical interests is almost the whole world. Therefore, EVERYWHERE they consider themselves masters of the situation.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 23 May 2020 13: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: lwxx
      The flight schedule shows that the board crossed the Russian border. And if so, then it should be at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean.

      On this graph, the thickness of the line is 50-70 kilometers. Between the islands, he could fly without entering the territorial waters of Russia. hi
  4. Mouse
    Mouse 23 May 2020 07: 52 New
    0
    all our borders lick ... and pathos, how much ....
  5. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 23 May 2020 07: 56 New
    0
    and what is it possible or not?
  6. fa2998
    fa2998 23 May 2020 08: 01 New
    +2
    Quote: Olgovich
    The Sea of ​​Okhotsk is surrounded on four sides by Russia, from the East it is the Kuril Islands.

    Quote: lwxx
    The flight schedule shows that the board crossed the Russian border.

    In the middle of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, there are neutral waters (it is huge). It means that to get there you need passages for foreign ships. It means that there are marked out between the Kuril Islands, I think there are government decisions. Who knows? hi
    1. Avior
      Avior 23 May 2020 08: 20 New
      29
      The width of the territorial waters is 12 miles, about 22 km.
      All that’s next is international water, anyone can just swim or fly there.

      And then up to 200 miles is an economic zone. You can swim and fly there, but to conduct economic activity, only with the permission of the state.
      Most of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is an economic zone, not tervody, so you can formally fly there.
      In order to fly past the Kuril Islands without violating territorial waters, the strait between the islands must be at least 45 km, so that international waters remain.
      The width of the Bussol Strait, through which the Americans flew, is 68 km.
      So, formally, there were no violations; the Ministry of Foreign Affairs would have already declared claims, if there had been.
      And the fact that this is essentially a provocation and, most likely, reconnaissance in order to open air defense in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is obvious.
      hi
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 23 May 2020 08: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: fa2998
      In the middle of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, neutral waters (it is huge).

      Since March 14, 2014 there are no neutral waters in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk for it is proved - Shelf
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 23 May 2020 14: 51 New
        +1
        They are neither neutral nor territorial .. they are an "economic zone" - nothing is forbidden to fly in it ..
  7. Errr
    Errr 23 May 2020 08: 04 New
    +4
    ... about the flight of 2 strategic bombers of the US Air Force B-1B Lancer "in the backyard of Russia."
    If you think in American terms, then the "backyard of Russia" is not Chukotka with Kamchatka, but, rather, Alaska with California ... laughing
  8. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 23 May 2020 08: 09 New
    +1
    well, what a daring ... they’re not afraid of anything ...
  9. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 23 May 2020 08: 17 New
    +5
    If I don’t confuse anything, then the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is the inland sea of ​​the Russian Federation, and the crossing of the Kuril ridge is the crossing of the Russian border. I would like comments from the Russian military and diplomats. This is not just flying around the borders, it is a provocation with violation of the state border, or an information provocation and still need a reaction and comments at the highest level.
    1. mark1
      mark1 23 May 2020 08: 46 New
      0
      You're right
      Inland sea waters are part of the territory of the state and their sovereignty extends to them. The state in the national legislation establishes the boundaries of its internal sea waters, taking into account the rules of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea and other norms of international law.
    2. venik
      venik 23 May 2020 10: 48 New
      0
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      If I don’t confuse anything, then the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is the inland sea of ​​the Russian Federation

      =====
      Quote: "...Inland marine waters include: seas washing the shores of one or two states with an entrance width less than 24 miles; waters of bays, lips, bays, estuaries with an entrance width of less than 24 miles ;..... " request
      We look at the map of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk:

      request
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 23 May 2020 10: 55 New
        +3
        Of course, I am not an expert in the law of the sea and its terms, but it seems that the Sea of ​​Okhotsk does not have international waters, and it seems to be recognized as a shelf. In any case, this is a provocation — a provocation that cannot be let down, where our SSBNs need to cherish the only relatively safe place for deployment and its purpose in the backyard, like the treasures of the Hermitage.
        1. iouris
          iouris 23 May 2020 12: 36 New
          0
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          there our SSBN is the only relatively safe place to deploy

          It means that it is no longer safe (comrade Koreiko was indicatively touched by the udder).
        2. venik
          venik 24 May 2020 10: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          I am certainly not an expert in the law of the sea and its terms, but it seems that the Sea of ​​Okhotsk does not have international waters, and it seems to be recognized as a shelf.

          ===========
          ".... Most of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk outside the territorial waters of Russia and Japan belongs to the exclusive economic zone (EEZ) of Russia, with the exception of a small part adjacent to the island of Hokkaido and belonging to the EEZ of Japan, as well as a narrow enclave in the central part of the sea, which is located at a distance of more than 200 nautical miles from all shores. The specified enclave, completely surrounded by the EEZ of the Russian Federation, at the request of Russia and the subsequent decision of the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf of March 14, 2014 [4] was assigned to the continental shelf of Russia, thanks to what the RF has exclusive rights to resources subsoil and seabed in this part (but not on covering waters and air space above them); sometimes found in the media erroneous statementsthat the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is completely inland waters Russia ......)
          request
    3. Looking for
      Looking for 23 May 2020 15: 46 New
      +1
      and they spat on all this. They have power and this is the main thing for today. And you continue to build temples. -you do it well.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 23 May 2020 16: 13 New
        -2
        Quote: Seeker
        And you continue to build temples. - you do it well.
        Reply

        Temples always build time.
  10. Lekov L
    Lekov L 23 May 2020 08: 53 New
    +4
    Another argument for our narrow-eyed Nippon partners is that our air defense forces are not enough on the Kuril ridge, otherwise the "counterparties" around the whole circle of borders have become a bit of a fuss.
    And it's a pity that the escort from our fighters was not around. The Balts should share their experience of "non-professionalism", the desire to fly where it is not necessary will quickly fade.
    Respectfully..
  11. svp67
    svp67 23 May 2020 08: 54 New
    0
    They themselves climb into the "back ...", and what else to expect from people who have legalized "non-traditional families"
  12. Topol M
    Topol M 23 May 2020 08: 56 New
    -3
    Oh and get sometime full
    1. iouris
      iouris 23 May 2020 12: 41 New
      +1
      I am sure that you will not be able to explain two things: what does it mean "to the fullest" and "someday".
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 23 May 2020 09: 05 New
    0
    When they cannot do anything real, concrete, and it is necessary / want to create information noise! Then they start all sorts of missions, strategies, "backyards" to invent ... this is "noodles" for their layman.
    Elections, elections, all candidates are talkers .... and their assistants, in general I begin to chat without ceasing!
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 23 May 2020 09: 15 New
      +3
      And what even more "concrete real" can be done? To drop an atomic bomb on Petropavlovsk or Magadan? Do what they want, and you: "God's dew".
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 May 2020 09: 28 New
        -3
        And you sho, this "dew of God" sprayed?
        What you .... fisherman sholi, in that area trades?
  14. sagitch
    sagitch 23 May 2020 09: 15 New
    +2
    You would not write, they would not know that they flew near the "former" base.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 23 May 2020 09: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: sagitch
      flew near the "former" base.

      And NEAR it? Through an open bomb bay could urinate from above?
      Or was it all outside territorial waters?
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 23 May 2020 09: 42 New
        +2
        You perfectly understand that a demonstration of power and powerlessness. But clowning ... in a bad game
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 23 May 2020 10: 12 New
          +1
          Interestingly, who showed power there, and who showed powerlessness? What is your alignment?
          As for me, the usual, routine "work", to train ourselves and provide the enemy with "entertainment".
  15. K-50
    K-50 23 May 2020 09: 49 New
    +2
    it was the “most daring” flight of US strategic bombers in the region over the past 15 years.

    They speak as valor.
    If Russia had done this, they would have choked with bile, accusing it of provocations and aggressiveness. yes
    Vile duplicity !!! sad negative
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 23 May 2020 10: 18 New
      +3
      They talk, they want to cheer up their audience. In fact, an ordinary, routine flight. We are flying near them, they came here ... for a specialist, this is not a topic at all, they trumpeted the media, and so pf-e.
      1. ancient
        ancient 23 May 2020 11: 03 New
        0
        Quote: rocket757
        In fact, a normal, routine flight

        No, dear ... if you look at the "wiring", then there is a deliberate invasion of the airspace of the Russian Federation ....... all countermeasures should have been taken ... ... but that's it ... ..."should have been" request
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 23 May 2020 11: 08 New
          +3
          Show where the invasion was, at least a millimeter?
          What you write is called ..... geography under taught b, for starters and the correct terminology.
          1. ancient
            ancient 23 May 2020 15: 51 New
            +4
            Quote: rocket757
            geography under taught b, for starters, and the correct terminology.

            Following exclusively your advice, I "repeated" the lessons of geography and ... did not find any mistakes in my knowledge.
            Quote: rocket757
            and the terminology is correct.

            But here I had to once again carefully read the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea and "discover" that Article 78 of this Covenant "says" the following:

            "1. The rights of the coastal state to the continental shelf do not affect the legal status of the overlying waters and airspace over these waters.

            2. The exercise of the rights of the coastal state with respect to the continental shelf must not infringe upon the exercise of navigation and other rights and freedoms of other states provided for in this Convention, or lead to any unjustified interference with their exercise. "
            So I admit that you are right .... I was fundamentally wrong and ... "got excited" hi
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 23 May 2020 17: 15 New
              +2
              I won’t teach .... more thoroughly necessary.
              1. ancient
                ancient 23 May 2020 17: 24 New
                +2
                Quote: rocket757
                more thoroughly necessary.

                Agree drinks ... "haste is needed only when .........." lol
                It's just "news" well, very surprising ... then they report. that once a month, at least wasp conducts exercises to intercept and escort the VC, and then a couple of Lancers on the traverse passes and ... silence belay request
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 23 May 2020 18: 11 New
                  +1
                  Russia is a strong state and can put anyone in their place, to whom it does not reach.
                  Whether we make a return move or not depends on ..... from US, incl.
                  1. ancient
                    ancient 24 May 2020 10: 01 New
                    0
                    Quote: rocket757
                    Whether we make a return move or not, depends on ..... from US, incl.

                    I agree with everything drinks , that's just with the "extreme" proposal ... no, since it is from US in the Russian Federation ... nothing, unfortunately, depends ....... It is clear that not everyone can be Suvorov, but ... "the current the top ".... causes ......" tenderness " soldier
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 24 May 2020 13: 55 New
                      +1
                      Question - and the top, to the top, who raised? Did we not do it ourselves?
                      By itself? It doesn’t happen that it’s completely by itself, someone put a hand to this, voting!
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  17. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 23 May 2020 10: 55 New
    0
    So, what is heroism if the base was closed back in 1994? And something I have not heard about such a base, maybe just an anchor?
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  19. Operator
    Operator 23 May 2020 11: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: Olgovich
    The Sea of ​​Okhotsk is FULLY INLAND SEA of Russia

    Only in part of the economic zone.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 23 May 2020 12: 14 New
      +1
      Indeed, after all sorts of different "what you please" who signed, handed out, tried, admitted, Russia has a lot of problems added!
  20. Indifferent
    Indifferent 23 May 2020 12: 49 New
    +4
    There have never been any boat bases in the Kurill Islands. All boats were based in Kamchatka and only one brigade in Magadan. The Americans will soon burst from their "importance" in the absence of any presence.
    1. AlexSM
      AlexSM 23 May 2020 17: 59 New
      +2
      I lived in Simushir in those days from 82 to 84, there was the 137th OVR brigade, boats rarely came and then for combat training of the brigade)
  21. Old26
    Old26 23 May 2020 14: 03 New
    +3
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Oh, there you indulge in, oh, there you fly.

    So ALREADY should be fly, for the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is TOTALLY INLAND SEA Russia !!

    Those. Americans flew in the airspace of Russia and ... nobody and nothing, are silent in Russia, and they ... boast ...

    Some game .... Where is the Foreign Ministry, MO?

    And what? Americans in their own right. And here you are, dear Andrei, confusing the concept of the inland sea and territorial waters. And the inland sea, by definition, is a concept in oceanology, meaning a sea that deeply extends into the land and communicates with the ocean or adjacent seas along relatively narrow straits. Most of the inland sea belongs to Russia. Minor - Japan. But what belongs to Russia - this mainly applies to the exclusive economic zone. But the EEZ is not the territorial waters of Russia. So the Foreign Ministry and the Defense Ministry are out of business

    Quote: Olgovich
    The Sea of ​​Okhotsk is surrounded on four sides by Russia, from the East it is the Kuril Islands.

    And from the south - including and Japan ... Do not confuse the inland sea and territorial waters ...

    Quote: Ryaruav
    and what is it possible or not?

    The most amazing thing is that the Americans did not violate any norms. Passed between the islands of Simushir and Chirpoy. The distance between the islands is 69 km. Even if we take into account that the tervodes are 12 miles (22,2 km), then the neutral space (international waters) there is about 25,5 km.

    Quote: Avior
    The width of the territorial waters is 12 miles, about 22 km.
    All that’s next is international water, anyone can just swim or fly there.

    And then up to 200 miles is an economic zone. You can swim and fly there, but to conduct economic activity, only with the permission of the state.
    Most of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is an economic zone, not tervody, so you can formally fly there.
    In order to fly past the Kuril Islands without violating territorial waters, the strait between the islands must be at least 45 km, so that international waters remain.
    The width of the Bussol Strait, through which the Americans flew, is 68 km.
    So, formally, there were no violations; the Ministry of Foreign Affairs would have already declared claims, if there had been.
    And the fact that this is essentially a provocation and, most likely, reconnaissance in order to open air defense in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is obvious. hi

    Bravo, Sergey! Plus, unfortunately, only one from me. At least one person knows the "materiel" good

    Quote: Tusv
    Quote: fa2998
    In the middle of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, neutral waters (it is huge).

    Since March 14, 2014 there are no neutral waters in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk for it is proved - Shelf

    Namesake! You're not right! Shelf - does not mean belonging to the water surface of Russia. And this only applies to the economic activities of other states. Here Americans cannot drill and mine minerals there. And to swim and fly, if they do not violate the territorial waters of Russia - no problems ...

    Quote: KVU-NSVD
    If I don’t confuse anything, then the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is the inland sea of ​​the Russian Federation, and the crossing of the Kuril ridge is the crossing of the Russian border. I would like comments from the Russian military and diplomats. This is not just flying around the borders, it is a provocation with violation of the state border, or an information provocation and still need a reaction and comments at the highest level.

    Confused, Victor! The most common misconception that the inland sea is the territory of Russia. Territorial waters (that is, the Russian border) is 12 miles (22,2 km) from the coast. That violation of this line is a violation of the Russian border ...
    1. Looking for
      Looking for 23 May 2020 15: 58 New
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      there is a concept of "sphere of influence" that includes all concepts - political, economic, military, and it is not defined mathematically. Explain further, or will you understand yourself?
  22. Bez 310
    Bez 310 23 May 2020 14: 17 New
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    Why so many illiterate comments?
    Well, the Americans flew to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, what so excited our "victims of the exam"?
    Yes, such flights show the capabilities of American aviation, are provocative in nature, but there is nothing illegal in them.
    Unfortunately, due to the lack of air bases abroad, our planes can carry out such flights to the limit, so they are extremely rare.
    The "response" to the flight of the Americans was the recent flight of a pair of Tu-142 from Kamchatka to the Pacific Ocean, but it was a usual "showy" flight, and our planes did not create any problems. An ordinary flight in the air, like, we also have something else that can move, but it's completely pointless ...
  23. zwlad
    zwlad 23 May 2020 15: 33 New
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    This is the reason our strategists hit the shores of California. With a return visit. Beaches to see.
  24. AlexSM
    AlexSM 23 May 2020 17: 53 New
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    Yes there was no base of submarines there !! There was 137 OVR brigade
  25. Nicholas
    Nicholas 23 May 2020 19: 08 New
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    I am most interested in, but on our part, the interception of goals was carried out, were these Lancers taken for escort or were they slammed?
    1. AlexSM
      AlexSM 24 May 2020 05: 30 New
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      It is unlikely that they were spotted (((During the basing of the 137th brigade of the OVR, an air defense company with a "Oborona" radar was stationed on Simushir, then they would be spotted without any problems ... It is necessary to restore an air defense company there with a modern radar. 3 SU-35s are based on Iturup + there would be a radar station on Simushir, the interception was 100%
  26. Nicholas
    Nicholas 23 May 2020 19: 15 New
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    That's right, but we are told that a long-range new interceptor is not needed, as in the Khrushchev era, we will drop barrels on high-altitude flights, saying that they fly away or land at our airfields, God, how did they destroy everything and what do we do with our own hands.
  27. Old26
    Old26 23 May 2020 20: 08 New
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    Quote: Nicholas
    I am most interested in, but on our part, the interception of goals was carried out, were these Lancers taken for escort or were they slammed?

    It is possible that they were taken for escort, but the interception is unlikely ...
    1. Nicholas
      Nicholas 23 May 2020 20: 58 New
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      Thank you Vladimir, but the keyword is POSSIBLE, and this is the main thing, interception is unlikely- this is also the main thing, everything else is Baltology.
    2. AlexSM
      AlexSM 24 May 2020 05: 32 New
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      In the place where they crossed the islands, there is nothing to take for escort ((But there is something to intercept, 3 SU-35s are based on Iturup Island
      1. ancient
        ancient 24 May 2020 10: 26 New
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        Quote: AlexSM
        there is nothing to take on escort ((But there is something to intercept, on the island of Iturup 3 SU-35s are based

        A little "confuse" the definitions ... for the air defense IA "interception" is .. identification of the intruder's aircraft and taking measures to land at its airfield ... at best (for the intruder), indicating to him the course to follow from the airspace of the state where he is. . "push forward" and ... the natural possibility of using "extreme measures".
        And the escort is "approached", "identified" and "stood side by side" and .... you follow in accordance with the instructions wink
      2. Bongo
        Bongo 25 May 2020 05: 23 New
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        Quote: AlexSM
        But there is something to intercept, 3 SU-35s are based on Iturup Island

        No, not constantly based. No. In terms of fighter cover in our Far East, everything is quite sad. crying
    3. ancient
      ancient 24 May 2020 10: 39 New
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      Quote: Old26
      It is possible that they were taken for escort, but the interception is unlikely.

      Volodya ... I doubt that with those (ground) air defense means, it would be possible to .. "get" the Lancers (although yes .... Avacha Bay is covered).
      Survey locators yes ... found and ... ... why did not they raise the DS ... after all, it is the Lancers for them that are the primary task of destruction, it is they who are carriers ... however ... "a pair of potential enemy "passed by.
      It is clear that there was nothing left of the "past" 40th air defense missile defense, but also with Elizovo MiG-31s, Lancers could be easily intercepted. (At the turn of their lapel towards the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, between the islands of Simushir and Chirpoy.) interception on "supersonic" (reaching the interception line at a speed of more than M> 1) wink
  28. AlexSM
    AlexSM 24 May 2020 05: 46 New
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    The author, there was no submarine base on the island of Simushir, these are all stories from the Internet. The 137th OVR brigade and the air defense company with the Oborona radar were based there (the air defense company appeared there after the events of 1984, when a Korean Boeing invaded Soviet airspace and was shot down over Sakhalin)

    The task of the brigade included:
    1) Search and destruction of enemy submarines in the near zone, when crossing the straits.
    2) Anti-submarine support of their submarines when deploying them in the combat zone.
    3) Search and destruction of min.
    4) Arming and destruction of minefields.
    5) Implementation of mine protection of ships and vessels.
    6) Protection of transports and auxiliary vessels at the passage by sea.
    I say this as a person who was on this island from 82nd to 84th year.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 25 May 2020 05: 34 New
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      Quote: AlexSM
      The author, there was no submarine base on the island of Simushir, these are all stories from the Internet. The 137 brigade of the OVR and the air defense company with the Oborona radar were based there.

      There has never really been a submarine base on Simushir. I also have big doubts about the P-14 "Oborona" radar, on the northeastern end of the island 10 years ago there was an EMNIP radar post with a P-37 radar, I also heard that they were planning to deploy a 22Zh6M three-coordinate radar, but was it I do not know implemented.
      1. AlexSM
        AlexSM 25 May 2020 12: 39 New
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        The defense was definitely in 1984, I lived in Simushira in those days, so I don’t invent it, but I know for sure. Perhaps later updated radar
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 25 May 2020 12: 51 New
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          Quote: AlexSM
          The defense was definitely in 1984, I lived in Simushira in those days, so I don’t invent it, but I know for sure. Perhaps later updated radar


          Such an antenna?
          1. AlexSM
            AlexSM 25 May 2020 13: 05 New
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            It was 36 years ago (I don’t remember ... but the name is exactly Defense and this has now been confirmed to me by the Senior Assistant to the Chief of Staff for the operational part and combat training of 137 BKR OVR. I’ll try to find the photo.
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 25 May 2020 13: 07 New
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              Then, complete with this station were supposed to be radio altimeters (PRV).
  29. Old26
    Old26 24 May 2020 12: 15 New
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    Quote: AlexSM
    In the place where they crossed the islands, there is nothing to take for escort ((But there is something to intercept, 3 SU-35s are based on Iturup Island

    When I wrote about what was possibly taken for escort, I meant that segment of his path when he was moving along Kamchatka. There, judging by the scheme from the article - the distance of kilometers is 250-300. so maybe they were spotted and maybe taken for escort, but whether MiGs were raised from Yelizovo - KhZ
  30. Alexfly
    Alexfly 24 May 2020 13: 00 New
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    And where were our falcons? I do not see snapshots of interception! Actually, this is a scandal! Almost territorial waters! And don't look for excuses, colleagues !!
  31. Old26
    Old26 24 May 2020 15: 30 New
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    Quote: AlexFly
    And where were our falcons? I do not see snapshots of interception! Actually, this is a scandal! Almost territorial waters! And don't look for excuses, colleagues !!

    The territorial waters on the continental part are hundreds of kilometers away. If there, on Simushir, there is no radar post, then who will direct the "falcons". The nearest interceptors could only be 600-800 km away. In addition, the adversary did not violate our territorial waters, so what's the scandal? If a NATO scout passes 15 km from the border of the Kaliningrad region, we do not consider it a scandal. And then, almost half a hundred kilometers from the island - and a scandal ???
  32. Revolver
    Revolver 25 May 2020 05: 22 New
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    Well, flew by, and what? Have you entered the airspace? No? So what's the problem? Carcasses also revolve around Alaska, and not only. Just the boys who grew up to many big stars on the shoulder straps, but in their hearts remained boys, wanted to play airplanes. And since there are many stars, they are played in real life; those who have no stars cost War Thunder.
  33. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 25 May 2020 08: 16 New
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    Quote: ancient
    Quote: BUCHARA
    Yes, let them fly so far and our air defense training is good

    And where did you "see" or "hear" from our media or the Ministry of Defense that the air defense forces and means reacted in time and a pair of MiG-31BMs from the DS of the newly revived 865th Fighter Regiment were taken into the air to intercept.

    And where is the marine OSAP ...? belay


    They told you everything about KAL-07? And how many Americans were shot down? So you can’t wait here ... By the way, KAL-07, like Boeing over Ukraine, was blown up by the crusaders in the air ...
  34. Kestrel
    Kestrel 26 May 2020 00: 49 New
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    Shoot down such flyers. Flying over the Kuril Islands, the Yankees violated the air border of the Russian Federation ...
  35. Old26
    Old26 26 May 2020 01: 19 New
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    Quote: Kestrel
    Shoot down such flyers. Flying over the Kuril Islands, the Yankees violated the air border of the Russian Federation ...

    Learn materiel, beater. First, learn the width of the territorial waters of Russia ... And then look at the distance between the two islands where the Americans flew and answer (at least for yourself) to the question, where is the violation of the state border ...