Yeni Şafak: Turkish UAVs destroyed six Pantsir-C1 air defense missiles in recent days

Every day is another victory. The Libyan Government of National Accord, with the support of Turkey, wins a new victory every day over Haftar's Libyan National Army. Only in recent days Turkish Drones destroyed six Russian anti-aircraft systems "Pantsir-S1", writes the Turkish edition of Yeni Safak.

The Turkish edition of Yeni Safak published an article praising the victories of the "Libyan army supported by Turkey," and narrating the victory of the Turkish weapons over Russian. The author of the article tells how the valiant forces of the PNS, after taking control of the strategic base of Al-Vatyy, "on all fronts" defeat the HFA. So much so that the field marshal began the retreat and was ready to ask for mercy.

The article especially draws attention to the "superiority" of Turkish-made Bayraktar strike UAVs over Russian weapons systems. The recent drone strike on the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system of Haftar’s LNA, which led to its destruction and was confirmed by the video, suddenly turned into the destruction of five Pantsir-S1 air defense missile systems.

As of noon on May 20, Turkish-made UAVs destroyed more than 10 Pantsir-C1 air defense systems in Libya, of which five - only in the last 24 hours (...) each of which costs about $ 15 million

- writes the author of the material, adding that in Syrian Idlib, Turkish drones also "defeated" Russian air defense systems, destroying the "Shell", "Tor" and S-300 systems.

The fact that now in Libya, Russian weapons systems catch "like flies", once again demonstrated the technological superiority of Turkish-made aircraft

- emphasized in the material.

I don’t know how anyone, but this article, which turned the destruction of one “Shell” into six at once, reminded the words of the notorious Shpak from the comedy “Ivan Vasilyevich Changes the Profession”: - Three tape recorders, three movie cameras abroad, three cigarette cases domestic, a suede jacket .. . three...

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[Romka47]

If I zaplyuyu 10 sleeping well-fed crocodiles, can we assume that I defeated them?

[pereselenec]

If the combat mission was to spit crocodiles and after spitting they became incapacitated, then it was. Everything else is the flat excuses of the crocodile breeder, who at first yelled everywhere that his crocodiles have no analogues in the swamp, and then complains that the crocodiles are disturbed by the curvature of the swamp, moon phase, sleep, spider architecture, etc.

[Romka47]

I mean, they did not try to bite off. Look at the latest collections of Libya, on the march or in the hangars. There isn’t just one video that they would burn the shooting shell, if the natives in sneakers do not use them for their intended purpose, then this is purely their spending and problems and not the problem of our military-industrial complex

[really]

Task. The military should destroy the enemy with the least losses, and why the enemy is not ready for battle is not his problem. It’s just that if in different countries in different armies, weapons are destroyed in a similar way, either the methodology, or the trainees, or the weapons themselves, do not fit the battlefield.

[Abbot]

The Turkish edition of Yeni Safak published an article glorifying the victories of the "Libyan army, supported by Turkey" and narrating about the victory of Turkish weapons over Russian.

Oh, this Turkish press ... I remember that it recently defeated the Syrian army. And then Erdogan urgently flew to Moscow to negotiate. Although, the expression "a technique in the hands of a barbarian turns into a heap of scrap metal" has not been canceled. The quality of training of Arab crews, both for the Russian "shells" and for the American "patriots", leaves much to be desired. As well as general command and control of troops. Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Libya ...

[Pirogov]

Quote: Abbot

Oh, this Turkish press ... I remember that it recently defeated the Syrian army. And then Erdogan urgently flew to Moscow to negotiate. Although, the expression "a technique in the hands of a barbarian turns into a heap of scrap metal" has not been canceled. The quality of training of Arab crews, both for the Russian "shells" and for the American "patriots", leaves much to be desired. As well as general command and control of troops. Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Libya ...

Here you are angry. Do not let even the Turks dream. .....)))))

[evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru]

There is, dear really, universal, proverb about a bad dancer ...
State ,, RK ,, （,, Capitalist Russia ,,） - ,, educational ,, state. He, accordingly, has a training army, which knowledgeable people call the Paper Army. Mountains ,, waste paper ,,, ,, mountains ,, photo reports instead of real combat training. For coloring, the BP magazine requires 5 （!） Pencils of different colors. For the normal functioning of the platoon, KV must have a competent clerk （better - two, main and ,, spare ,,）. Which, naturally, is not in stock. Business PC （laptop） and printer - required! The schedule of classes for a week is comparable in size with the school schedule of the times of the USSR on the half-year. ,, Game of life, instead of life. The state of the Republic of Kazakhstan is not able to answer the basic questions of the indigenous peoples of Russia （,, Why should the families survive with a mortgage ?, ； ,, Why the state cannot protect law-abiding citizens from ,, street ,, and ,, organized ,, crime? ,, ； ,, Why is TV in the Republic of Kazakhstan spreading out the population? ,, etc. etc.) and the same army in this state. Why are there no repair units? Where are the officers-, techies ,, SV? Where is the field artillery? Where are the cutting edge engineering vehicles? Why are there no chaplains? What vehicles are planning to take the wounded from the battlefield? Where is the ambulance? Why did the guardhouse in the army of the Republic of Kazakhstan become something ,, surprising ,, and ,, unattainable ,,? Why is the officer not trusted to wear a service pistol? Why are weapons from soldiers - defenders of the Fatherland hidden behind bars, alarms, and three locks? Such stupid and worthless soldiers? Or such a stupid and worthless SYSTEM?
If for years you don’t work, but pretend to be work, then one day everything will begin to “crumble”. Right now, the RK and its army have just such a period. Called - ,, p and e x and l and ,,

[really]

Ie everything went into the zone of incompetence. as far as I remember the weapon, a little more than 30 years ago it was also kept under lock and key, an alarm, and a direct look from the sentry, and the officer received a gun on duty.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: really

weapons earlier, a little more than 30 years ago, were also kept under lock and key, alarm, and direct look of the sentry, and the officer received a gun on duty.

But why in the 30s and during the war, weapons were always at hand. And could an officer or an employee of the People’s Commissariat freely shoot a gopnik who tried to attack at night in the gateway? Why are soldiers constantly walking with weapons in Israel? . If they regularly shoot at colleagues, and the state is afraid to leave them with weapons

[really]

The state and the population do not trust each other. In Israel, a traditionally armed soldier is a defender of the population, in the USSR there was no such probability of meeting with terrorists, but over time, requirements for the order of opening fire are tightened.

[Jack ivanov]

Russia, or rather the USSR on the eve of the Great Patriotic War in the 30s and 40s, of course, everyone walked around with guns. Gangs of remnants and agents plus only civilian is over. By our time, by the way, in the 90s when there was a rampant terrorism and banditry, too, everyone was fully armed. The police, the military, and we civilians, too, had something in reserve. Now this is superfluous. Law enforcement copes quite well. The army stops terrorism at distant frontiers. I think Israel will cease to behave like an elephant in a china shop; you also won’t have to walk around with pockets in your pockets. Well, what are we? It will be necessary - we will open arms again.

[really]

Israel behaves much more accurately than they tell you, plus, on the other hand, not a single mother of Theresa. For the rest, without objection.

[KLV]

Eugene, your scribble is impossible to read! Please take care of our eyes and nerves!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Romka47

If I zaplyuyu 10 sleeping well-fed crocodiles, can we assume that I defeated them?

Of course not. It’s just that you don’t come to a sleeping crocodile at a distance of spitting.

[Sky strike fighter]

The fact that now in Libya, Russian weapons systems catch "like flies", once again demonstrated the technological superiority of Turkish-made aircraft

Further, you can’t read this nonsense about the technological superiority of cheap Bairaktar type aircraft. (Our counterpart is the Corsair UAV.) An advertising article is nothing more. PR went for these UAVs from the pages of Turkish media, advertising campaigns to increase UAV sales.

the author writes, adding that in Syrian Idlib, Turkish drones also "defeated" Russian air defense systems, destroying the Pantsir, Tor and S-300 complexes.

Yeah. Meli Emelya is your week. The author forgot to mention the "defeat" of the Khmeimim base with these UAVs.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Further, you can not read this nonsense about the technological superiority of cheap ones like Bayraktar. (Our counterpart is the Corsair UAV.). Advertising article no more

Of course, I understand your desire to shout slogans about greatness, belittling the dignity of opponents, but let me ask you a simple question, where is Turkey in the world in the development and production of UAVs? And the second, tell us more about Corsair.
I think after answering these questions you will no longer want to write completely empty slogans.

[poquello]

Quote: Malyuta

let me ask you a simple question, where in the world is Turkey in the development and production of UAVs?

Yes, it’s absolutely all the same, because the shell easily destroys them, and the fact that the Turks managed to destroy the Libyan shells, well done, solved the problem. In war as in war, now the Libyans are rumored to be trying to solve the problem with Turkish ships.

[Sky strike fighter]

According to rumors another minus 3 UAVs in Libya.

At night, the LNA Air Force launched air strikes against PNS troops and Syrian militants southwest of Tripoli. The bridge south of Garyan was destroyed.
Also, the LNA claims to 3 downed UAVs in the Tarhun area, but so far there are only one photo.

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/5887742.html

[Vadim237]

It’s just that the operators of these Carapace and the Haftar’s army are just suckers, neither intelligence nor well-coordinated coordination of the air defense system in hangars, there are no airdromes for quick help to everyone else in the same vein.

[chingachguc]

Apparently, Khalifa does not have an air defense system, but individual air defense elements. "Shells", like planes, like tanks are used one by one - everyone fights as best he can. Therefore, it is very easy to catch them on the march, or when the crew went to pee or are drinking coffee. In addition, the capabilities of the ZRPK system itself are not even half used. Nowhere did I see the Shells firing from the cannons. Arabian mentality. The Houthis beat the Saudis in batches ...

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Malyuta

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Further, you can not read this nonsense about the technological superiority of cheap ones like Bayraktar. (Our counterpart is the Corsair UAV.). Advertising article no more

Of course, I understand your desire to shout slogans about greatness, belittling the dignity of opponents, but let me ask you a simple question, where is Turkey in the world in the development and production of UAVs? And the second, tell us more about Corsair.
I think after answering these questions you will no longer want to write completely empty slogans.

Compare the performance characteristics of the Corsair and Bayraktar UAV. Almost one to one. Yes, and very similar. Bayraktar has longer wings. Photo UAV Corsair at the link below.

Equipped with a piston engine, the new drone with a mass of 200 kilograms is able to reach a maximum speed of up to 150 kilometers per hour (cruising - 120 kilometers per hour). The flight height of the Corsair can exceed five kilometers. This makes it unattainable for both conventional small arms and for many types of MANPADS (American Stinger, for example, hits a target at an altitude of 3 meters). The UAV flight range is 800-120 kilometers, it is assumed that it can be increased to 180 kilometers. Due to the economy of the original engine (the characteristics of which were not disclosed), the Corsair can be continuously in the air for up to eight hours.
The new drone has rather large dimensions: the wingspan is 6,5 meters, the length of the fuselage is 4,2 meters. With such dimensions, a specially equipped runway will be required for its take-off and landing. However, this can be any part of the road with a flat surface.

An ATAK missile system can be installed on such a UAV, capable of destroying ground targets at a distance of up to six kilometers. Also, military experts do not rule out a combat mount in the form of multi-role rocket launchers. But still, the main purpose of the “Corsair” - intelligence.

Not so long ago in Russia, mass production of a new generation of electronic systems began, designed specifically to equip existing and promising UAVs. It was reported that the designers of our military-industrial complex managed to develop technologies for transmitting a large amount of information over distances of tens and hundreds of kilometers. It is likely that on-board equipment was also installed on the Korsar, which provided real-time data exchange with ground control centers and drones.

https://m.tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201805281031-psxq.htm

[White AK]

And how many of these corsairs in the army, I saw nothing except the eagles.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: White AK

And how many of these corsairs in the army, I saw nothing except the eagles.

I don’t know. But last year they were shown at the May 9th Parade.

[Roman123567]

At the Parade, even Armata was shown ..
So .. he’s a parade and a parade in Africa ..

[d4rkmesa]

This is not the case, the "Corsair" and "Bayraktar" TB2 are completely different UAVs. "Corsair" - average (maximum up to 200 kg) UAV small range. "Bayraktar" - can be in the air for a day and belongs to the category of medium-heavy - up to 600 kg maximum take-off weight (MALE class according to the bourgeois classification). In fact, this is a Turkish "Reaper", only lighter and, apparently, more successful. Among our analogues: the failed Dozor-600 and Orion. "Orion" is heavier, but it will probably be possible to hang "Attacks" and similar missiles there. In fact, the situation with drone UAVs in the RF Armed Forces is sad, for 10 years they have not been able to decide what, to whom and how much they need. Dozor-600 exploded on tests 10 years ago. During this time, "Bayraktar" was finalized, tested on the Kurds and brought to relative perfection. The Orion has great chances of being put into service, but everything takes too long, while everything is at the stage of experimental military operation.

[Sencis]

The corsair is no better than the same cheap thing, but the Turks made their UAVs an excellent ammunition which from a height of 8 km plans for a long distance and because he plans, does not reserve routes and thermal radiation from the engine; this makes blows more secretive. In addition, in Russia there is no microelectronics and large software enterprises in this area, the basis of a drone is a camera + computer, so we can’t produce a camera or a computer for drones, they use foreign software for development everywhere, they also showed corsair for PR, but they are not in service, the Turks use their own UAVs everywhere.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: tihonmarine

It’s just that you don’t go to a sleeping crocodile

interesting to hear why ?? ..... the whole thing is that I came up .... more than once))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Tiksi-3

it is interesting to hear why ?? ..... the whole point is that I came up .... and more than once

By the fact that you are lucky. You came up, and I just ran away, disgusting creatures.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: tihonmarine

By what you're lucky

in the sense of luck? .... I was taught and swim nearby ....

[really]

Correct spit on crocodiles right from the couch

[svp67]

Quote: Romka47

If I zaplyuyu 10 sleeping well-fed crocodiles, can we assume that I defeated them?

It depends on how the press covers it, first of all the Turkish ...

[Abbot]

Quote: svp67

primarily turkish

Absolutely correct remark.

[Civil]

Haftar and his nukers have shamed Russia in the media. A strong blow to the image due to the Arabs' habit of throwing everything and running.

[rocket757]

I don’t understand what is the problem with sleeping crocodiles ???
Yes, cram them into the refrigerator and all the business, at least a hundred! They will be completely dead, as if to sleep !!! And by the tails of them it will be possible to carry BOLD!

Quote: Civil

A strong blow to the image due to the Arabs' habit of throwing everything and running.

Yes, the Arabians CANNOT shit more than it was before !!! they are ALWAYS the same! Such a "client" and all the specialists know about it ... but the average person HANGED, HANGED, and will HANG up always and everywhere.
That's when the AI ​​installed on the equipment does not cope with the task of confronting the stupidity of the buyer !!! This will be the collapse of all hopes, finally and irrevocably.

[Piramidon]

Quote: rocket757

I don’t understand what is the problem with sleeping crocodiles ???
Yes, cram them into the refrigerator and all the business, at least a hundred!

It would be interesting to know the opinion of crocodiles. Will they agree to "shove" there?

[rocket757]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: rocket757

I don’t understand what is the problem with sleeping crocodiles ???
Yes, cram them into the refrigerator and all the business, at least a hundred!

It would be interesting to know the opinion of crocodiles. Will they agree to "shove" there?

Of course they will be strongly against ... if someone will ask them. But this does not negate the fact that chilled toothy becomes not fish, not meat!
So with some, on this planet, the same thing, even cooling is not required.

[Nastia makarova]

and when the Saudis throw the technique is it a blow to the image of the United States?

[Freemason Mason]

How many cries of joy there were when the Saudi patriots were unable to intercept the Houthi drones. How many they wrote, what a patriot he is. It turned out that this works in both directions, and the Arabs know how to use our weapons as badly as the American ones. But if in the first case, "everyone recognized" that the problem is precisely in the patriots, now for some reason not the shells are bad, but the Arabs of the "wrong system". Double standards however. However, our uryashki they are, they are no stranger

[Nastia makarova]

and it remains, the Arabs are bad, the patriots g., armor krasava

[rocket757]

Quote: Freemason

How many cries of joy were there when the Saudi patriots could not intercept the Hussite drones.

A simple question - WHO was driving the Patriot complex when the SA plant was destroyed?
Who controlled the Shell when it was knocked out?
Any associations do not arise? Then, in SA there was a BATTERY! fully deployed with all support and support systems, and the Armor is caught one by one when they are discharged or the calculations are left off ... a big jamb of those who operate them!
Addition - the Patriot complex is not designed to deal with low flying targets, especially of a smaller dimension, this is also true.

[Interlocutor]

Who controlled the Shell when it was knocked out?
Any associations do not arise? Then, in SA there was a BATTERY! fully deployed with all support and support systems, and the Armor is caught one by one when they are discharged or the calculations are left off ... a big jamb of those who operate them!

It seems to me that at the controls there are already students from those trained by the students.

[rocket757]

It was once taught ... memories are not ah, but how many years have passed.
I don’t think that something has changed since then.

[Alexander Mironovsky]

In general, tactical-level air defense missile defense systems should work practically in automatic mode, excluding the human factor, because the operator is simply physically incapable of tracking and identifying the target in a constantly changing combat environment in the minimum time .. By the way, the Shell is not the only such exit complex and appeared much later than its western counterparts ..

[Interlocutor]

The shell is not the only such exit complex and appeared much later than its Western counterparts ..

But I just don’t see them in pictures of TV, Internet, etc. Where are they? At exhibitions, in the virtual, where? The carapace becomes slowly but steadily the plowman of war. No wonder warriors in slippers in the cities carry the lined Armor.

[rocket757]

Quote: Freemason

But if in the first case, "it was recognized by all" that the problem was precisely in the patriots, now for some reason it is not the shells that are bad, but the Arabs of the "wrong system." Double standards however. However, our uryashki they are, they are no stranger

Without considering the objective reasons for the incident, you become the same "uryashka", only with a sign in the opposite direction.

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: Freemason

But if in the first case, "it was recognized by all" that the problem was precisely in the patriots, now for some reason it is not the shells that are bad, but the Arabs of the "wrong system." Double standards however. However, our uryashki they are, they are no stranger

The shells filled a bunch of equipment, proved their effectiveness. Further, the Haftarovites loved a certain amount, and everything was non-combat (in the hangar, during transportation, etc.) according to their slovenliness. If you think that the Shells have shown their inefficiency, then was it worth the Turks to strain so purposefully, to engage in the destruction of the Haftar shells?

[V.I.P.]

How not in combat? The detection radar was working. The fabulous broadcast "military acceptance" showed that the "shell" can detect and fire at targets in motion. At the same time, they were burned ...
Baikatar uses the Umtas ATGM, which is planning a laser-guided bomb Mam-L and Mam-C. Ptur beats for 8 km, Bombs when dropped from high altitude are the same 8 km, if the height is not high, then the range is less than 8 km.

[Disant]

give at least one link to the video where the shell with a working radar

[Connor MacLeod]

Well, there’s definitely one video ...



Most likely learned to jam the radar shell. Either ground-based EW stations, or an interference station is installed directly on the drone. If terrestrial, then it is necessary to find the signal source and hammer it with an artichoke. If the electronic warfare is on the drone itself, then hell knows if ZRAK can independently detect and destroy it ...

[Disant]

Well, there’s definitely one video ...

Well, you see - the station started working (rotation) for half a second-second before it hits.

Most likely learned to jam the radar shell

Video from above, the car was watched before. I left the shelter -BACH.
neither intelligence nor cover ....

[Connor MacLeod]

Quote: Disant

Well, you see - the station started working (rotation) for half a second-second before it hits.

Video from above, the car was watched before. I left the shelter -BACH.
neither intelligence nor cover ....

Well, you look at the next segment in the same video - there are two Shells with radars on, a drone and zero reaction hang above them. I say, most likely the Turks are just jamming the radar.

If you look chronologically, the data on the losses of Turkish drones was first sent. The answer of the Turks was just a matter of time, and as it turned out, he did not take long to wait. Most likely we are talking about ground-based EW stations. I do not think that the Turks have such advanced drones that the interference station also stands on them.

Therefore, instead of taking what is wanted for reality, it is better to think than to answer Erdogan. In my opinion, the most appropriate answer would be to put Haftar RTR ground stations and long-range self-propelled guns and MLRS.

[Disant]

there are two Carapace with radar on, a drone and zero reaction hang over them. I say, most likely they just jam the radar.

this is an information war. drone owners showed what they wanted to show.
I see it differently - they were watching the shells, they knew the approximate location. there was no counteraction to tracking. two shells rolled out from under a nearby hangar and turned on the radar - this moment also hit the video (just a few seconds). what happened next - and then an observer was shot down.

I say, most likely they just jam the radar.

if so, then this is most likely a violation of the rules. So they will continue to remove the gun from the wall (supply

RTR ground stations

, airplanes, needles, jammers)

[Disant]

From this we can conclude that our opponent is not very perspicacious

Our opponent ?? Well, if only considered as an enemy of the shell.

[Connor MacLeod]

I agree, realistic Russia in this situation is likely to do nothing. Let's just say that the unfavorable situation in the oil market does not contribute to drawing into another mediated war in the Middle East. Although the very idea of ​​taking the side of Haftar in order to end the civil war as soon as possible is very noble ...




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[voyaka uh]

"Was it worth the Turks then to strain so purposefully, to
destruction of the Khaftar Shells? "////
----
The Turks corrected their mistake on Idlib: you must first destroy the air defense,
and then engage in strikes on armored vehicles.
They focused on air defense and achieved their goal.

[lBEARl]

There is a small difference: the patriots crap one's pants on combat duty, and the shells on the march and in hangars. That is, some tried to show combat properties, were deployed and ready to repulse the attack, but they didn’t smack, and the second ones collapsed like ordinary trucks. Well, about the Arabs, yes ...

[Cyril G ...]

A little earlier, the Saudis put the hegemon in their pants when they missed the blows at the refinery, and before that it flew into the suburbs of the capital. Who will take Arabs seriously?

[Maz]

Tuta, the Sarajevo minister complains about Russia, which, according to him, transported six MIG-29 and two Su-24 to Haftar. Apparently they will be engaged in these Turkish bayraktars and lower them from heaven to earth.

MiG-29 at the airfield of Al-Dzhufra, Libya, May 19, 2020. Coordinate net: 29.1916, 16.0112
There is no smoke without fire.
(https://t.me/operline_ru/22433)Photo credits comrade. B. Gastner.
Libyan Foreign Minister citizen Fathi Bashagha accused Russia (https://turkishpress.com/russia-sends-8-soviet-made-warplanes-to-haftar/) that most recently the latter surpassed 6 MiG fighters from Syria in the interests of Generalissimo Haftar -29 and two Su-24 bombers.

It is entirely possible that this was precisely the same Mig-29 crossing through the Caspian Sea and Iran on May 15 this year.

[kris_67]

"10 sleeping well-fed crocodiles" - this speaks only of the skill of the Turkish military. We were able to destroy six installations with impunity - a well-planned operation.

[A. Privalov]

Turks are eastern people. And here they love all sorts of exaggerations.
They will show them, they will believe. They will not show, so it will all remain at the level of idle talk.

[Victor_B]

It's a bit much ...
The emirates of the Shell IMHO had ~ 35 pieces.
Well, attention is the question, but how much is left?

[Victorio]

Quote: Victor_B

It's a bit much ...
У Emirates Armor IMHO ~ 35 pieces were.
Well, attention is the question, but how much is left?

===
But it is known how much they sent to the Marshal? or did he have other supplies?

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: Victor_B

The emirates of the Shell IMHO had ~ 35 pieces.
Well, attention is the question, but how much is left?

How many Haftaru the UAE has allocated out of 50 pieces of Shell is an interesting question. All the same, 13-15 million dollars for each. I do not think that tractors drove mock-ups or wrecked vehicles in the desert, under the attacks of drones.

[The leader of the Redskins]

An exaggeration ... I wonder how the winged phrase about Basurians will sound in Turkish?
- How many "unfaithful shells to write, O Vizier, two?"
- Why consider infidels? Write ten! ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Why count infidels? Write ten !.

Ten already a lot, if five do not believe it, but 6 just right.

[Yeraz]

Quote: A. Privalov

Turks are eastern people. And here they love all sorts of exaggerations.

Oh come on. This is in Russia adepts has no analogues in the world, and this level of exaggeration of the Eastern Turks still grow and grow.

[Swordserg]

One could agree with you if NATO, led by the United States, didn’t make a terrible and terrible beast from Russia from which you urgently need to defend yourself and come up with new weapons. It turns out now or you ram with your analysis, or they.

[tihonmarine]

I don’t know how anyone, but this article, which turned the destruction of one "Shell" into six at once, reminded me of the words of the well-known Shpak from the comedy "Ivan Vasilyevich Changes Profession"

The Turks invested money and funds in Libya, not small, and laid their people. So when it is necessary in front of his country and people, the current leadership with Erdogan to answer for their deeds.
Well, the article is it, the article is not responsible for the facts. While there is no such law to punish the media for false information. So they are trying to raise the rating of the article, higher rating, more money.

[Borz]

Nowhere do they lie so much as in war and hunting.
Otto von Bismarck

[zwlad]

fishing echo

[tihonmarine]

Quote: zwlad

fishing echo

Fishing is our privilege. A foreigner can’t understand the whole buzz of fishing, and they don’t even eat fish soup.

[zwlad]

It seems to me they are foreigners, especially naglosaksa, her (ears) overeat

[tihonmarine]

Quote: zwlad

It seems to me they are foreigners, especially naglosaksa, her (ears) overeat

The ears did not overeat, but the mushrooms overeat, that's for sure.

[Borz]

Of course, how could I forget .... Bismarck is forgivable

[qobnvmog]

Quote: zwlad

fishing echo

Fishing is a fish hunt.

[Grits]

Turkish "tractors" mediated by propaganda plow the publicized glory of the Russian air defense

[Ka-52]

I don’t know how anyone, but this article turned the destruction of one "Shell" into six at once

It is a common practice in the history of any wars: their losses are underestimated 10 times, the enemy's losses are overestimated 10 times. Of course, you can laugh at this from the outside, but there are very good reasons for this (apart from the usual eyewash of the military): propaganda should raise the spirit in society, prevent decadence and panic from penetrating into it. "We are leveling the front", "Another Buryat brigade of armored cavalry has been destroyed", as well as "No losses", these are all links in one chain. Otherwise, the variant of Vietnam and 1 Chechen company.

[Mamuka Petrovich]

Conflicting information. In one article they write one thing, in the opposite, the truth is most likely in the middle:

It is worth noting here that such significant losses are by no means connected with the characteristics of the Pantsir air defense missile system. Firstly, to destroy them, the Turks carried out a clearly planned operation, which attracted a significant number of attack drones. Two complexes were hit when transported by tractors, another when changing positions. At the Tarhun air base, the Turks destroyed the "Shell" at the moment when he was in the hangar. Secondly, the LNA command reacted rather negligently to the security of the latest military equipment, which together with the successful actions of the Turkish military led to the destruction of complexes with impunity.

It is worth noting that most of the destroyed Pantsir-C1 air defense missile systems were in combat readiness with radars turned on, as evidenced by rotating antennas. At the same time, Turkish UAVs struck from a short distance. This indicates the emergence of modern GNA electronic warfare systems that suppressed LNA radars.

Judging by the published videos, in six of the seven cases of destruction, these air defense missile systems were not in combat mode. They independently changed their location or were transported on trawls. Other vehicles were in concrete shelters or under awnings, where they were overtaken by strikes of high-precision munitions of drones.

[Zaurbek]

Well, not one was destroyed there, but the truth was six ... and one was captured and rolled around the city for a long time, like a prisoner
Apparently there are no surveillance radars there that give the central missile defense and the Turks catch them when traveling. There steppes and deserts and from afar can be observed.

[Vadim237]

Haftar’s army has neither coherence nor a single air defense system.

[V.I.P.]

Video there is destruction of 2 pieces. Another one was captured and dragged away from the hangar ... It is not clear why the "Shell" does not see the "Baikatar" hanging above it (aka big)? The radar worked, "military acceptance" says that it can work on the move and even shoot ... But for some reason it did not shoot ...

[Black Colonel]

Because it didn’t work

[kjhg]

Quote: V.I.P.

.It is not clear why the "Shell" does not see the "Baykatar" hanging above it

We discussed this after the destruction of the Shell in Idlib. While the carapace is in motion, the drone approaches it and at the moment of turning on the air defense radar it is already above it - in the dead zone for the radar. To avoid this, Shells need to work in groups and at least one or two should be in work all the time.

[Constructor68]

While the carapace is in motion, the drone approaches it and at the moment of turning on the air defense radar it is already above it - in the dead zone for the radar.

Yes, of course, wise guy Armor station 1рс1-1е can operate in motion. As well as launch missiles. To get into the dead zone of a UAV so quickly, you need to have hyper speed.

[kjhg]

Quote: Designer 68

Yes, of course, wise guy

Oh great Professor Lego, I welcome you.

Quote: Designer 68

Armor station 1рс1-1е can operate in motion.

-Dad and what is theoretically and practically?
- Well, look sonny, go to mom, grandparents and ask "they would
I slept with a black man for a million? "
Over time.
- Dad they all said "YES!"
- Here is the son !!! Theoretically, we have a million, but practically - one gay and
two women with reduced social responsibility.

[Constructor68]

No need to tell me scenes from your family life. It does not apply to the topic. In this case, the problem is that the horseradish operators did not even bother to scan. The complex was in a stowed position.

[kjhg]

Quote: Designer 68

Don't tell me scenes from your family life. It does not apply to the topic.

Lego constructor, how could you not recognize yourself, a boy, in a joke?

Quote: Designer 68

In this case, the problem is that the horseradish operators did not even bother to scan. The complex was in a stowed position.

This is just the same case of what can be theoretically (in your view) and what most often happens in practice, in life.

[Constructor68]

Lego constructor, how could you not recognize yourself, a boy, in a joke?

The shooter translation is the most stupid attempt at trolling. It's not gonna go.

This is just the same case of what can be theoretically (in your opinion) and what most often happens in practice, in life

This is just a case of the fact that you, not having the slightest idea about the work of such complexes, sit and find you scribbling versions about "practice". Come on, write some more. The Internet is so rubbery

[kjhg]

Quote: Designer 68

The shooter translation is the most stupid attempt at trolling. It's not gonna go.

This is just a case of the fact that I, not having the slightest idea about the work of such complexes, sit and find myself writing a version about "practice". Come on, I'll write more. The Internet is so rubbery

Self-critical, however, but fairly and, most importantly, admitted on time. Keep up the good work.

[V.I.P.]

Look at the zomboyaschik with a "military acceptance" about the "shell" and shouts about "there is no analogue in the world!" There he, in motion, carries out detection and firing of missiles and cannons. Therefore, it does not have .......

[Zaurbek]

Radars on air defense systems and MANPADS do not work all the time .... they have the wrong resource. A more powerful surveillance radar should work, which gives the TS in a particular sector. Then the SAM radar itself in a specific sector is already turned on. In Syria, this is, but in Libya, this is not. The radar, like any equipment, has its own possible hours of operation and maintenance, and the Shell is also mobile.

[really]

So this program is the same propaganda. We must sell to decent countries that do not fight, and the equipment is intact and the image is on top

[cat Rusich]

The sale of weapons to a "non-belligerent country" brings "little income" (as an example - the modernization of Soviet technology to "infinity"). The supply of weapons to war allows the manufacturer of weapons to identify "flaws" and the possibility of selling weapons in exchange for "lost" (the USSR is a bad example of a seller of weapons - there are a lot of supplies of "goods", and as a result, losses). The program "Military Acceptance" is not a skillful advertisement, reminds of "Soviet news from the fields" - the collective farms are overfulfilling their plans, and the shelves in the stores are "empty".

[really]

The income is small, but loyal, but the warring country lost, and the money is bye bye

[cat Rusich]

The bad guys pay $ and go. Legal arms trade between countries is 101% policy.

[really]

You see, what one Arab country bought, handed over to another, which already raises questions, and there the glorified weapon did not cope with the task.

[cat Rusich]

We also see how one "Arab country" (KSA) bought a TOW ATGM and transferred some of it to "other hands" (ISIS). "Soviet weapons" also fall into "other hands" through Bulgaria. Someone asks questions on these occasions?

[really]

In agreements on the sale of weapons, a clause is usually prescribed not to transfer to a third party, and if we assume that the Cornet can be stolen from a warehouse, then you will agree that it is difficult to steal the Shell and deliver it across three seas without the consent of the buyer, and even more so the batch machines

[cat Rusich]

The "thread of the conversation" has been lost. LNA (Haftar) does not know how to use the Pantsir air defense missile system, and "dirt" is poured onto the Pantsir product and its manufacturers. PNS (Saraj and Turks) know how to use shock UAVs - everyone praises Turkish UAVs. The LNA (Haftar) Council is to adopt not only military equipment, but also specialists who know how to use it.

[really]

So I’m leading to this, that the most likely illegal transfer of weapons leads to image losses, and material.

[Viktor Sergeev]

And why is so little modesty stuck? They would have written 60, they probably already for the fifth time began to destroy all the shells of Syria.

[G. Georgiev]

Bad advertising of Russian weapons. But is it true or not?

[G. Georgiev]

The Russian base in Syria every day reflects the attacks of enemy drones, and here it is vulnerable. What is so difficult to detect and destroy a Turkish drone.

[Vadim237]

This is because instead of operators they have pure lapushars at the command of gouging.

[really]

One thing is a technician in a hospital, another on a march, well, the difference is for staff.

[alex aircraft]

The fact is that the boiled shells suffer losses in Syria and in Libya. Perhaps the calculations are not properly trained? And about the superiority of our systems, remember the pogrom of Syrian air defense in 1982 by Jews in the Bekaa Valley.

[PN]

Air defense should be comprehensive and layered. Here we see a lone war in the field, and sometimes sleeping.

[really]

So the Jews, many here expect nothing good from them

[shoroh]

Who cares how the Papuans use our weapons.

[BREAKTHROUGH READY]

Who cares how the Papuans use our weapons.

Do you want to say that only Papuans use Russian weapons?

[shoroh]

what's the difference who uses it? The main thing is that this weapon should be abundant in Russia itself.

[novel66]

was already

It's strange, ”the mediator said, recalling the blueprint of the blue side, which did not say a single word about sending destroyers to Devil's Plyosh. “Strange ... but certainly possible.” And how many destroyers are there?

“Three,” Piichik answered and thought, “What am I sorry for?”

[Mavrikiy]

Yeni Şafak: Turkish UAVs destroyed six Pantsir-C1 air defense missiles in recent days

And what is not 10? Paper can stand it.

.... Field Marshal began the retreat and is ready to ask for mercy.

And before that I decided to bomb myself in full, probably, so that no one would accept the surrender.

[Stirbjorn]

How many shells the Turks destroyed did not matter, since Haftar was defeated and retreats, and, as always, the victors write the story. Let me remind you that when Haftar pressed the PNS, here they spread information about dozens of downed drones and the local armored couch, enthusiastically cited the valiant Libyans, as an example to the Asadites, who at that time were nightmare Turkish drones in Syria. And now it turns out that these hands are crooked, these are the paradoxes

[prior]

A monkey with a grenade is equal to a monkey with a "Shell".

[Mountain shooter]

Well, the same method in Idlib - tanks 100, soldiers - 10 thousand, shells - dozens ... they just dragged from there, and UAVs lost more than 10 ... East, he is like that ... every second correspondent, not counting the first - Scheherizade!

[Retvizan 8]

These journalists, if only they add a script, write that they are smashing victoriously Russian equipment, and the Turkish military (in the same Idlib) are dying in dozens.

[really]

They will write off people and equipment, the question is who will leave the land

[zoland]

Quote: V.I.P.

Video there is destruction of 2 pieces. Another one was captured and dragged away from the hangar ... It is not clear why the "Shell" does not see the "Baikatar" hanging above it (aka big)? The radar worked, "military acceptance" says that it can work on the move and even shoot ... But for some reason it did not shoot ...

Grenades have the wrong system

[Whirlwind]

Testing in combat is the best type of testing military equipment. Surely our gunsmiths do not leave weapons of such high complexity as "Armor" without technical support. Will deal with this situation. They will collect all the necessary information, find a weak point, if any, and eliminate it. But when it begins as an adult, ours will be whole, and not our noses in the ground.

[Nastia makarova]

It's not about the shells, but about who controls them.

[donavi49]

I don’t know how anyone, but this article, which turned the destruction of one “Shell” into six at once, reminded the words of the notorious Shpak from the comedy “Ivan Vasilyevich Changes the Profession”: - Three tape recorders, three movie cameras abroad, three cigarette cases domestic, a suede jacket .. . three...

Let's count together, if for all the time, then destroyed-captured-defeated with fixation:
Time

Two in a littered hangar.

Three on the road, probably Jordanian on Kamazik:
https://twitter.com/CagataiTemuchin/status/1263196496570265601

Four and five - the first one was masked by a network on the road with BC (a rocket engine was initiated and a rocket flew out), the second was masked by a network on a trellis
https://www.facebook.com/Sabkmark/videos/676858583150970

Six is ​​on the road. And the seventh is in question, under a canopy. But consider 6.


Seven who rode with the radar

They initially claimed 8 cars for the whole time, then 15. This article is about the last days - that is, 4-5 + 6 + 7 (8 in doubt) from the links above - 4 confirmed + 1 under question + 1 video photo was not confirmed.

And yes, it refers to a hit, not a complete and unconditional destruction.

[loki565]

Well, if you take it economically, then the shells paid off, having shot down 14 Bayraktar TB2 plus unidentified UAVs. The shell would still have a remote control, so that the crew does not take risks, and so it can automatically detect, track and destroy the target.

[Disant]

plusan at the count.
but

Seven who rode with the radar

- it is clear that the radar began rotation one second before it hit - the station was just turned on

[WOLF330]

Quote: tihonmarine

The Turks invested money and funds in Libya, not small, and they put their people

The entire operation is sponsored by Qatar, and you are deeply mistaken at the expense of "your people".

[WOLF330]

Quote: tihonmarine

Fishing is our privilege. A foreigner can’t understand the whole buzz of fishing, and they don’t even eat fish soup.

Again, not the topic)) It seems so to you. In the East they like fishing very much, and the ears there are about 30 recipes (different dishes), they are simply called differently.

[bairat]

Quote: AzDefence2020

Quote: tihonmarine

And you ask those

I asked the Libyan. He spoke very well about Gaddafi. Life was much easier and calmer.

The Turk told me how during the days of Gaddafi he labored in Libya. The Libyans then considered the Turks not to be people, but to a higher rank than a dog. If the Turk touched something, then this thing was automatically considered haram, dirty. I said, like in a supermarket, I corrected a package of groceries in my neighbor’s line, she strove to fall out of the basket, almost piled on. The packaging was replaced with a new one.

[Alexander Schumacher]

Well, before you write everything at once, think about what to write. if they give me the coolest race car, and for a simple race car there will be a specialist, then I will not overtake him !!! the technology is not controlled by AI yet, but by man, the most important factor is waking people up. 1 armor ate not a warrior if the task is to kill the armor, first missiles are launched easier and drones are simple until the armor shoots everything. and then they kill him. if you have the coolest machine gun but no longer ammo, then this is just a pile of metal and not protection. Under what circumstances was the armor killed? or maybe it was damaged in a salvo of artillery and hail, and then they finished it off for a picture with a rocket. everywhere you need a carousel !!! part of the technique shoots another goes to reload! this is the foundation! for some reason, something did not reach the base of the Russian Federation in Syria.

[V.I.P.]

And the base in Syria was attacked by drummers like Baikatar? ... There were only home-made crafts ...

[zwlad]

Therefore, they did not attack with normal drones. Understand that nothing will reach. And then they seized such PR for free. Advertising is the engine of progress. How so. The Turks have the best armored terminator drones.

[chingachguc]

One bayraktar shot down near Tartus

[ZaDedov]

In skillful hands, any weapon will cause significant damage.

[16112014nk]

The Ottomans are certainly more belligerent than the Arabs. If you look at how Egypt fought with Israel, the Arabs simply threw equipment and weapons and "faster than the doe" fled from their positions. It also looks like things are going on with Haftar's "warriors" in Libya.

[really]

You are not quite right, the Arabs threw the equipment, but before that there were fierce battles, and losses from both sides. There was no easy walk anywhere.

[AllBiBek]

No need to read what Turkey writes for domestic use.

For example, from their textbooks on the history of the Great Turkey from the time of the Big Bang - even Vyatrovich will clutch his head.

But they are different, for the city - one, for the village - others.

And what is there for the village - it's quiet horror ...

[cniza]

The fact that now in Libya, Russian weapons systems catch "like flies", once again demonstrated the technological superiority of Turkish-made aircraft

- emphasized in the material.

I don’t understand the advertisement of my drone, but to the point of absurdity it’s impossible or they’ll get a ride ...

[senima56]

If our "Pantsiri-C1" are good, but the Arabs are bad operators, do not sell "good" equipment to "bad" warriors, so that they do not create anti-advertising for our "good" weapons! And then it will come out more expensive!

[Bersaglieri]

This "rake" is already 60+ years old :(

[donavi49]

The UAE funded the development of the Shell ($ 120-140 million) and the Tiger ($ 65 million). If the UAE did not enter with money in 2003, then there would be no Shell and Tiger. The UAE has also become a starting customer.

[V.I.P.]

So they bought a bunch of BMP-3. There are more of them in the UAE army than in the Russian Federation. If not for them, then the plant has long been closed ....

[Bersaglieri]

They were, according to the "old Arab tradition", turned off, because Ramadan?

[Andrey Ostroushko]

I remember how in early May the LNA celebrated the downing of the 30th anniversary of the Bayraktar TB2 drone in Libya. Just yesterday, two more landed.

[soldat tv]

Testing grounds and war are two different things. And in these events, I’m only pluses, fat pluses. Just so that our guys do not die. Let the engineers and the military scratch their heads, how to improve this product.

[tekinoral]

The Libyan army in 4 days destroyed 9 ZRPK "Shell"
Russian-made Pantsir complexes were destroyed by artillery units and strikes from the UAVs of the Government of National Accord (PNS) as part of Operation Volcano of Wrath
22.05.2020

[tekinoral]

Changing the balance of power in Libya will force many to reconsider plans for this country

[Alexey from Perm]

even if the result is exaggerated, it is not the first time it has been shown how shells are destroyed by those weapons from whom they should help defend themselves. There is a problem. It would be foolish to deny her.

[Interlocutor]

And there is no alternative. From the word AT ALL.

[V.I.P.]

Perhaps the South Korean "Biho" K-30 is better. Hindus chose him for a reason

[Interlocutor]

Have you ever seen him? What would they participate somewhere in Libya or Syria?

[V.I.P.]

There were tests ......... And the Su-35, MiG-35, IL-38n, etc. shot down at least one plane? or maybe the boat was sunk? ..... K-30 bought according to test results. Like the shell bought the UAE, without testing it in the war

[Interlocutor]

I don’t even know what to answer.
There is a "Shell", which knocks something down, it is destroyed. Well, as usual in the war. A good crew is at war. The bad one perishes with the car. But I have never seen in the footage any South Korean vehicle, Chinese vehicle or other air defense vehicles. So that they would rush along the roads of Syria, launch rockets. That is, the simplest evidence. Here I see the TOU. They are. They beat various techniques well. And I don't see someone else's air defense except ours.
And it’s better not to talk about Hindus at all. Brrrr

[chingachguc]

why no one shows how the Shell is destroyed in Khmeimim? Because there UAVs and rockets are shot down on the approach. Those same cursed "Shells". And here the gunners hang at the zenith and shoot a movie ...

[V.I.P.]

At Khmeinim a bunch of TOPs. They are hammering

[Ros 56]

But why can't these earhooks do anything with our base in Khmeinim? And there drones launch packs of barmalei. Apparently it wasn’t a woman’s case, the gouge was sitting in the cabin.

[Jack O'Neill]

As you can see, real hostilities put everything in its place. Naturally, adjusted for the Arab crew.
We all remember Ren-TV, the Military Reception and so on, how the PR Shell was publicized there, that it was enough for him (the Shell) to let everyone fall to the ground. And if you give shells with missiles, then generally write-and-miss.

This is how weapons are created. Something falls into the war, shows itself, after which conclusions are drawn and weapons are improved. So it was, is and will be. This applies to any weapon, any faith and nationality!
Therefore, we will wait for the Mark-2 Shell.

[Cyril G ...]

Actually, the stage was Pantsyr-1SE if I remember the name correctly.
On deliveries - first 1SE went to the UAE on the MAN chassis, then to Syria on Kamaz, We have most of the delivered Pantsyr-C2, SM, SA

[Jack O'Neill]

And it's not just about the Saudi Shell.

[Cyril G ...]

The Saudi Pantsire did not have a time ...

[Jack O'Neill]

Yes, the UAE. Mistake

[TermNachTer]

I would like to see evidence or refutation thereof. It is easy to do this - how many "shells" have been released, how many have been transferred to and how many are in stock now. Subtract and get a real figure, not Turkish fiction. I understand Erdogan, he needs to sell his goods to someone, especially since evil tongues claim that one of the co-owners is his relative. How not to please, dear little man?

[tarakan]

Although I’m a civilian, I would move armor in pairs, one covers, the other rides

[Alexey from Perm]

some shells were destroyed in a combat situation, not a marsh. In my opinion, the problem is with target detection by shell. As well as the absence of the second stage missile engine march

[nobody111body]

well, let's put the Turks headquarters bombed well - Jews are pushing Erdogan to war in several directions at once - the Turks need to work out the NATO loot correctly, too, but why the Libyans will not send their ships to the Turkish coast and why Israeli planes do not bring down a riddle in Syria; and air defense of any country can be broken another thing the same bppa apply in response to the enemy and not play a war game where it is impossible and it is possible

[Disant]

and what - Israeli planes fly into Libyan airspace, where air defense is on duty?

[chingachguc]

Personally, I continue to believe in "Shell". The fact that the "gunner" is hanging over the air defense missile system and filming a video is already an air defense failure. This should not be the case in principle. Either a very small "gunner" the size of a pigeon, or the complete helplessness of the crew. But such "kids" have very little autonomy; In addition, any UAVs are sources of radio signals and can be tracked at a great distance. And Pantsir, in addition to radar, has infrared and optical channels. If they are not involved (as well as cannon armament, which for some reason is always not in a combat position), then this indicates a low qualification of the crew. But "Bayraktars" is a rather difficult goal. One such approached 4 km to Tartus before being shot down.

[V.I.P.]

At Baikatar, the ATGM hits 8 km. MAM-L, MAM-S bombs for the same 8 km, but when dropped from high altitude. If shot down from 4 km, it means that he simply conducted reconnaissance. Otherwise, he could shoot back from 8 km ...

[chingachguc]

Our developers have "screwed" the UAV revolution. They were guided by all sorts of missiles, cruise and ballistic - but they forgot about that, although even 1982 showed that there is a competent use of drones. The main problem is their detection, not demolition ...

[Yury zaloga]

And this g ... post "Military Review"? It's just disgusting to read.

[Kirill Petrov_2]

Nobody reads us, but everyone reads them - this is a huge damage to the reputation of our weapons and everyone understands that the Russian Federation will simply wash it off as always - we have no will or even any intelligible sequence to beat the Turks ..

[Pariv]

have the wisdom not to sell your weapons to anyone

[IC]

Do not be surprised. Technique in the hands of d ... and further in the text.

[Homo]

A lot of things have been said here. But the Pantsir is not an American-Hollywood super-duper machine that can shoot down 100500 targets. And if 10-15 UAVs arrive on one Pantsir, then they will naturally destroy it, but they won’t tell you or show you the 6-8 that were shot down, but will only show the destroyed Pantsir. The news, the article and most of the comments have one goal - Russian weapons are bad. And here you are talking about crew training, performance characteristics of the installation, the Russian military-industrial complex, etc.

[shinobi]

If everything is super duper, why is there such a holivar about the S-400, why is everyone so eager (under any pretext or sauce) to get our anti-aircraft systems? Conclusion: Nonsense in order to bring down the price.
PS: There is no need to sell these systems to Papuans and Arabs at all; they still don’t know how and are afraid to use them.

[Connor MacLeod]

Quote: Disant

this is an information war. drone owners showed what they wanted to show.
I see it differently - they were watching the shells, they knew the approximate location. there was no counteraction to tracking. two shells rolled out from under a nearby hangar and turned on the radar - this moment also hit the video (just a few seconds). what happened next - and then an observer was shot down.

In my opinion, everything is much more prosaic - the Turks suffered losses in drones, deployed electronic warfare stations and are now jamming them.

Quote: Disant

if so, then this is most likely a violation of the rules. So they will continue to remove the gun from the wall

Everything is according to the rules. An adequate answer, albeit belated. From this we can conclude that our enemy is not very perspicacious. Therefore, we need to be more forward-thinking and think one step ahead.

Quote: Disant

supply RTR ground stations

This comes first. And in addition to them, Msta and/or Hurricane. I established the location of the source of interference and immediately fired a Hurricane...

Quote: Disant

aircraft

This is another argument in favor of deploying RTR stations, long-range artillery and MLRS. We must be able to suppress the air defense systems in advance, which the Turks have probably already deployed.

Quote: Disant

needles

Well, if only in reserve, in case the Turks have attack helicopters. MANPADS are not very effective against drones due to the drone's small infrared signature.

Quote: Disant

jammers

This will also come in handy...

[Nikolay Balashov]

Why only six? 400 Shells were destroyed. Or are they being modest? And the S-500 was also destroyed. Two pieces.

[Dimmedroll]

Strangely, in other articles, it was written that they were shot down from the ground with grenade launchers. How was the shell destroyed?