Nebenzya: If not for the coup in Ukraine, Crimea would have remained where it was until 2014

Russian Permanent Representative to the UN Vasily Nebenzya commented on another attack against Russia on the issue of reunification with Crimea. It all started with the fact that during the meeting of the UN Security Council "with the participation of representatives of civil society", the permanent representatives of several European countries declared the non-recognition of Crimea as part of the Russian Federation. These permanent representatives are diplomats from France, Germany, the Czech Republic, as well as a diplomat from the European Union.

Responding to the attack from the series “we do not recognize the entry of the Crimean peninsula into Russia and believe that its accession by Russia is a violation of international standards,” Vasily Nebenzya reminded the interlocutors of how it all began.

The Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation made a reference to the beginning of 2014 and noted that Ukraine itself had opened the way for Crimeans to a referendum on the issue of self-determination.

Vasily Nebenzya:

Ukrainians have no one to blame but themselves.

The Russian diplomat also reminded the French and German colleagues that it was the representatives of the Foreign Ministries of these countries, along with the Polish Foreign Ministry, who in February 2014 acted as guarantors of the agreement between the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych and the opposition.

Vasily Nebenzya:

But the opposition violated these guarantees the very next day.

As is known, no measures were taken by the guarantors then. Both Germany, and France, and Poland have eliminated themselves.

Nebenzya recalled that the opposition carried out an armed seizure of power in the country, forcing Yanukovych to save his life.

Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN:

If then none of this had happened, then today Crimea would have remained where it was until 2014.

After that, Vasily Nebenzya urged the participants in the meeting not to build judgments without having listened to those who live in Crimea now.

Comments

[Alexey Sommer]

Locally, for the coup, you can say thank you in that case.
People are just sorry. We left all the rest in Ukraine.
And they are not enough.
And this is just our land.

[u123uuu]

They were thrown by the drunk Borka, but not the people. Who could without blood (Crimea) Putin pulled out. Alas, not everyone (Donbass), but there were reasons and conditions .. Putin is a cool strategist, but alas, it seems that war or harsh decisions in that spirit is not his.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: u123uuu

Putin is a cool strategist, but alas it seems that war or harsh decisions in that spirit is not his

I can’t agree that he is a strategist ..
Well, it doesn’t.
That we took Crimea, that all of Ukraine, the consequences would be the same now. Only neither the Nord Stream nor the Turkish would need to be built now.
And by the way, and now it’s not too late to take your own. Only the brains of the Seluk will have to solder longer now.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: u123uuu

How old are you, what terms do you judge?

48, and you?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Insurgent

And Russia will have to solve the problem of the Outskirts, no matter how long this matter is postponed "on the back burner."

Yes, every year it will be more difficult to do, because the Soviet people leave, and instead they grow Bandera and Natsik.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Insurgent

but then Rotenberg would have been left without a Hero Star ...

It's not about Rotenberg, it happened along the way.
But thank him even for that.

[New Year day]

Quote: Insurgent

And Russia will have to solve the problem of the Outskirts, no matter how long it takes to postpone this matter ..

... and the farther, the more expensive in every sense

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

That we took Crimea, that all of Ukraine, the consequences would be the same now

No, not the same! It would not be possible to take all of Ukraine without blood. And that stopped ... IMHO. Left until better times, let it cross itself ...

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Left until better times, let it cross itself ...

It has already been translated. In Croatia, in Bosnia.
But Russia is not Serbia. We are potentially powerful, except for impotent politicians. You have to take yours.

[major147]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: Alexey Sommer

That we took Crimea, that all of Ukraine, the consequences would be the same now

No, not the same! It would not be possible to take all of Ukraine without blood. And that stopped ... IMHO. Left until better times, let it cross itself ...

Yes, it would be a victory .... but "Pyrrhic." If Russia had entered Ukraine then, they would have jumped on us, saying that we were preventing us from going towards a brighter future in Europe, and even with the West they would have had problems incomparable with today's ones. And so, let them get sick.

[mark2]

And how are your Jews different from ours? The fact that both of them act not in the interests of the country of residence. You are embittered with us because your Jews told you so. Ours told us so. Maybe the whole thing is that you need to listen less, but what to do?

[mark2]

Ivan Vasilyevich, when you say, it feels like you are raving

(film "Ivan Vasilyevich changes his profession")

[bondrostov]

No Akim will not allow. One way or another, you have too much of our land and sooner or later we will return it to ourselves. And for the price we will not stand not yours not yours. It is bitter but it is.

[bondrostov]

In the world of rule, power will rule. So I won’t breed srach. Whether we can return our time or not will show time. So see you on the battlefield.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Akim

.Bodya Khmelnitsky, go and turn over in a coffin - forgive the Ukrainians, did not know what I was doing)

Bogdan Khmelnytsky, who for the time being was "on one leg" with the Poles, and when they "threw" him, suddenly became "anti-Polish" and "pro-Russian"?

Yes, in fact, not for you "broad Ukrainian patriot", on whose ave "flaunts" polish sign in honor of Henrik Dobrzański ("Major Hubal"), to declare this ...

[revnagan]

Quote: bondrostov

you have too much of our land and we will return it to us sooner or later.

You can have our land only under your nails, here you can return it to yourself. On our land you have nothing to do.

[bondrostov]

Wait and see in battle.
PS And this is our land including Kiev. your it is Lviv and Ivano Frankivsk command there.

[revnagan]

Quote: bondrostov

will see

Yeah, what color is your combat sofa? And to begin, finish school, and pass the Russian exam.

Quote: bondrostov

And this is our land including Kiev.

Yeah, this is so in the Russian way, “we don’t want someone else's, but we’ll take our own, whoever it is.” No, guys, nothing will work for you. My ancestors lived on this land, they rebuilt it with their own hands (not Russian), poured their sweat and blood and lay in it when you were not even in the project. So you can consider something as your own, but people on this earth will defend exactly their own, blood.

Quote: bondrostov

your it is Lviv and Ivano Frankivsk command there.

Where did you get the idea that NOBODY is (namely "nobody", not "someone"), how can you decide who owns what? I, and only I on my land will decide what will happen here and how I should act ... Lviv and Frankivsk will remain here, but Banderas can roll to their beloved Poland or there to Austria.

[stalki]

Yes, you have slogans no less, or even more, trying to cover up a fig leaf that is not being covered? Who wants to leave let him leave, this is the Russian land and nobody specifically holds you.

[stalki]

We are not natives and not Indians, who were not asked when they took the land and turned into colonies, we are not going to uproot our roots. No matter how it is to anyone fantasized. Dream on

[major147]

Quote: Akim

Let's figure it out. But, if you allow me, without you. Do not allow it - anger will be longer and more blood. Who needs this, think, if you have not forgotten how to ...

If you were normal people, you would say, they say, dear brothers (non-brothers), we are not on our way. You remain in the Eurasian Union, while we go to Europe. Happy to stay, do not remember it dashingly! Well, like the Czechs with the Slovaks. But when you tried to escape, you shit everything you could, spat into all the wells, etc. etc. And what do you want after all you've done? What would we get rid of your spitting and watch you sell Russian lands, abundantly watered with the blood of our ancestors? Maybe you will go to "Europe" (if they take it), but at best you will leave with what you came to the 20th century with, or even with what you carry in your hands, that is. naked, barefoot, without Russian gifts!

[Incvizitor]

So you would have figured it out yourself, for 23 years no one bothered, but you have to pay for the "amerikasny" in any case, it's like joining the igils.

[Voyager]

only I - do not bother anyone to live.

Even as you interfere.

Quote: Akim

Let's figure it out. But, if you allow me, without you.

So you let go of people who are not on your way and territory, who have presented you and go wherever you want.

[revnagan]

Quote: Voyager

you let go of people who are not on your way and territory

You don’t need to mix everything together. Let’s say: flies separately, cutlets separately. Let people go wherever they want. And the territorial integrity of any state is inviolable. But you didn’t let the Chechens go along with the territory?

[Voyager]

Chechens voted in a referendum and expressed a desire to stay in Russia.

Quote: revnagan

Let people go wherever they want.

And people in Crimea have already decided where they want - to Russia. They went there and the whole peninsula ..

[revnagan]

Quote: Voyager

Chechens voted in referendum

on which specifically? They had a lot of referenda. And you won’t vote against the Russian sight specifically.

[Voyager]

At a constitutional referendum in 2003, the people of Chechnya wanted to remain part of Russia. The people, not the units of terrorists who wanted independence.

And stop talking nonsense about the sights and gun barrel. There are many records and fixations about how the referenda took place in Chechnya and in the Crimea. There is still common sense, which gives a clear answer whether it is possible to force 2 million people to vote at gunpoint.

Or do you think that Crimeans are sleeping and see how to return to Ukraine?

[revnagan]

Quote: Voyager

At a constitutional referendum in 2003, the people of Chechnya wanted to remain part of Russia. The people, not the units of terrorists who wanted independence.

Of course, if there is a contingent of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

Quote: Voyager

And stop talking nonsense about the sights and gun barrel. There are many records and fixations about how the referenda took place in Chechnya and in the Crimea.

Well, yes, well, yes, what is profitable, we shoot, what is not profitable, "randomly" remains behind the scenes Well, I understand

[Voyager]

Quote: revnagan

Of course, if there is a contingent of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

Once again, how did the contingent of the RF Armed Forces influence the voting process?

Quote: revnagan

what is not profitable - "randomly" remains behind the scenes

What remains behind the scenes?

[revnagan]

Quote: Voyager

Once again, how did the contingent of the RF Armed Forces influence the voting process?

Do you really don’t understand? Is it your birthright, or did you graduate from any special courses? Take all the Russian security officials out of Chechnya, or the Crimea there, and see.

Quote: Voyager

What remains behind the scenes?

You left behind the scenes, you know better.

[Voyager]

Quote: revnagan

You left behind the scenes, you know better.

Go there, I don’t know where and do it, I don’t know what - this is about you You say specifically what and where left behind the scenes and prove it, or do not engage in verbiage.

Quote: revnagan

Do you really don’t understand? Is it inborn for you, or did you graduate from any special courses?

So you speak directly and answer the questions posed, do not spin too much.
I ask again: how did the contingent of the armed forces affect the election results?

Naturally, it is more visible: what Crimeans always wanted to go to Russia is clear and has been known for a very long time. What they wanted, they got it, the vast majority are pretty happy. Chechens are also not seen in separatist sentiments. Unless in your head you can see

[revnagan]

Well, I turned out to be truly innate.

Quote: Voyager

So you speak directly and answer the questions posed, do not spin too much.

I answer directly to the question posed - the presence of the RF Armed Forces in the Crimea directly affected the fact that 102 percent of its residents wanted to join Russia (as in Chechnya) as a force factor. Fighters everywhere, even close to civilians and children. that there are no extras in the frame, an experienced operator knows how to shoot correctly. If in Chechnya you find Russian security officers instead of Russian and Ukrainian in Crimea instead of Russian, the referendum will be 102% for secession from Russia. Or doubt?
laughing Chechens are also not seen in the separatist moods. Unless in your head you can see laughing
Certainly not noticed, I swear by several Chechen wars of the 90s and the tribute that Russia pays the Caucasus .

[Voyager]

Quote: revnagan

The presence of the RF Armed Forces in the territory of Crimea directly affected the fact that 102 percent of its inhabitants wanted to join Russia (as in Chechnya), as a force factor.

An interesting story, and now the facts and evidence in the studio, that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in this way influenced these elections. Forward. Clearly state how the force was used to drive 2 million mostly Russian people in the voting booths and to force to put the necessary tick. At the same time, tell me how my grandmother and relatives were forced to do this, so I laughed

Or, I repeat the question, do you think that Crimeans are sleeping and seeing how to return to your wonderful state?

Quote: revnagan

and in Crimea, instead of Russian-Ukrainian, the referendum will be 102% for secession from Russia. Or are you in doubt?

There can be no doubt whatsoever: if the Ukrainian security forces in Crimea were in such a referendum, a lot of blood would have been shed in Crimea, especially those of the Ukrainian security forces. You don’t even need to run for an example - there is the same Donbass and military operations there because of the sense of impunity of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But in the Crimea there were no and no military operations, and all thanks to the fact that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are there and the APU will not even think to go there.

Moreover, the lack of any desire for various international monitoring commissions to visit Crimea with the aim of observing the state of residents and the general background, only confirms the fact that everything is good there now)

As for Chechnya, this your number will not work - you should clearly distinguish between terrorists and the people of Chechnya, who ultimately voted the way they voted.

[ANB]

. Let people go wherever they want.

Well, that would go to Poland in 1991.
Why did the integrity of the USSR be violated?

[revnagan]

Quote: ANB

Why did the integrity of the USSR be violated?

The integrity of the USSR was first violated by YOU.

[ANB]

. Call me Selyuk, Bander, scum, only I - I do not bother anyone to live.

Every day, shelling civilians in the Donbass, blocking the water in the Crimea, etc. — are you bothering anyone?
Separatists should not be indignant if someone decided to leave them.

[revnagan]

Quote: ANB

Separatists should not be indignant if someone decided to leave them.

That is, Russia decided to leave the USSR, then it is a separatist. Then why are you indignant about the departure of Ukraine (which came out AFTER the RSFSR) or, say, Chechnya? You yourself say, you should not be indignant .

[ANB]

.
That is, Russia decided to leave the USSR, then it is a separatist. Then why are you outraged about the departure of Ukraine (which came out AFTER the RSFSR) or, say, Chechnya? You yourself say, you should not be outraged laughing.

I was against Russia's exit from the USSR. Therefore, I have every right to be indignant about Ukraine and Russia.
Do you think that Ukraine withdrew from the USSR lawfully and fairly? Then, just as legally and fairly, they have the right to exit from Ukraine any of its parts.

[revnagan]

Quote: ANB

Do you think that Ukraine withdrew from the USSR lawfully and fairly?

Ukraine left the USSR AFTER Russia. And I was against the collapse of the USSR. And 83% of Ukrainians were against it. But Russia left. So is Ukraine legal and fair after the USSR AFTER Russia?

Quote: ANB

Then, just as legally and fairly, they have the right to exit from Ukraine any of its parts.

I don't see any logic. Now, if a "parade of sovereignty" of regions began in Ukraine, and Kiev and the region seceded from Ukraine, then yes. Or Russia should have recognized the sovereignty of Chechnya, which,

Quote: ANB

legally and fairly have the right to exit

following your logic .

[ANB]

. Ukraine left the USSR AFTER Russia.

The adoption of the law on the priority of local legislation over the Union does not mean withdrawal from the Union. Although yes, it greatly contributes to its collapse. But the Union collapsed into 91 four traitors. Moreover, our drunk even lacked time to agree on the borders and territories. And Gorbachev, instead of giving the command to arrest everyone, quietly merged. And gkchp was some theatrical.
Actually, if Bandera’s power had not taken power in Ukraine, I would have stood up for it first.
And it’s not clear that you have a Kozhedub hero, and I lived on Kozhedub Street. And now she is also called.
But in today's Ukraine is no longer the case. And who are you protecting? It turns out that now the real Ukrainians live in the Donbass and in the Crimea.

[revnagan]

Quote: ANB

It turns out that now the real Ukrainians live in the Donbass and in the Crimea.

Real Ukrainians live a lot where. They wish their camp well and work for its good. And it turns out that if someone does not want the good of Russia, does not want to be its vassal again, that Bandera, terrorist, American bedding. They want to go to Donbass RF-yeah, they are REAL Ukrainians. But I do not want to go to Russia. In the USSR, yes, I would love to return. So all the territorial losses of Ukraine are bad for me. Globally bad. Everyone who inflicted them on Ukraine is an enemy, and should be punished. Although this is America, even Russia. Although corrupt Ukrainian politicians.

[ANB]

. And it turns out that if someone doesn’t want the good of Russia, doesn’t want to be her vassal again, that Bandera man, terrorist, American litter

Crossing everything. Where did I write about the good of Russia?
It is clearly written, whose hero is not Kozhedub, but Bandera, that’s just everything you wrote.
And it so happened that it was Donbass and Crimea for Kozhedub. And the rest of Ukraine is either for Bandera or, like you, quietly whisper in the kitchen and blame Russia for everything.

[ANB]

. The commander of the 503 Separate Marine Battalion, Vadim Sukharevsky, who hung in his office a portrait of Hitler’s favorite Otto Skorzeny,

You are defending just such a Ukraine. And it was from this that Crimea and the Donbass left. And this is exactly what kills people in the Donbass.

[revnagan]

Quote: ANB

You are defending just such a Ukraine.

It’s not true, I’m ashamed of such a Ukraine. But it will not be so always. And Russia, recognizing this Ukraine, does not fight with it, but cooperates by selling goods and raw materials (the same fuel and lubricants), but at the same time supports and encourages the split of the territory, to pick up the neighbors who had broken off from trouble and pocket them. He also comes up with specious pretexts to support the population in the fight against the Nazis. And they themselves recognized these Nazis. It's just amazing treachery. So, when Ukraine gets rid of the Nazis, the territory she’ll come in handy herself. And the fewer they fall into the tenacious clutches of an unprincipled neighbor, the better for Ukraine.

[ANB]

. So, when Ukraine expands from the Nazis, the territories will come in handy for itself.

So Putin told you in plain text (and this is recorded in Minsk) - remove Bandera from power, declare them criminals, and Donbass will return to Ukraine.
Although it is no longer a fact that the Donetsk people want this, after so many murders. But it’s up to you to apologize to them.
But Crimea is everything. Already returned. The fact that Yeltsin swelled in 91m.

[revnagan]

Quote: ANB

But Crimea is everything.

Nothing lasts forever under the Moon. Moreover, officially the fact of the capture of Crimea by Russia in the world has been officially recognized, but no one has legally recognized Crimea as part of the Russian Federation and will never recognize it. No, I understand you, they captured it - that's all. So you conveniently. But for Ukraine, the loss of territory is bad. It doesn’t suit us, and Ukraine will never admit it. We’ll wait in the wings. And I don’t have anything to apologize to the Donetsk people. to do with them. I don’t feel guilty about anything. Yes, Donetsk is not Israel, and Ukraine is not Germany.

[ANB]

. This does not suit us, and Ukraine will never recognize this.

So you can wait not for the weakening of Russia, but the recognition of Crimea by the Russian next president of Ukraine.
You have already been shown that in Ukraine, the president can promise one thing, and fulfill a completely different one. They will cram the next one, he will recognize Crimea in a day and will dump it. What will you do then?

[revnagan]

Quote: ANB

recognition of Crimea by the Russian next president of Ukraine.

Well, firstly, he is the president, not a kamikaze. Secondly, the Verkhovna Zrada must ratify this decision (this is not for you in the Russian Federation),

Quote: ANB

he recognizes the Crimea in a day and dumps.

But where will he go after that? He will run to the plane, his own guard will hang. Yes, and Rostov is not rubber Also, see above. Verkhovna Zrada, a referendum all over Ukraine ... No, you have no chance of recognizing Crimea as Russian. In Ukraine they say: "Duren dumkoy bagatie." So you don't have to wash yourself, there will be no water .

[ANB]

. He doesn’t run to the plane, his own guard will hang

When properly organized, it will both run and not hang. Security can also be your own.
Putin has completed the minimum program for Ukraine today. And she was not at all in the spin of the territory. OEMK, for example, is now plowing in full, and in 2013 they introduced a shortened day.

[revnagan]

Quote: ANB

When properly organized, it will both run and not hang.

Who will deal with it, the "correct" organization? And who will allow the "correct" organization of the pro-Russian idea on the territory of Ukraine at the expense of Ukraine? And most importantly, who will agree to hold an anti-Ukrainian action in favor of Russia with the official transfer of Ukrainian territory? It’s a verdict right away. And it’s good, if only as a politician. Besides, I repeat, the President of Ukraine does not have such dictatorial powers as the Russian one. "Zrada" did not ratify - and Usyo .

[ANB]

... Zrada "did not ratify

So enough public statement. Who needs ratification if the transfer has already taken place?

[revnagan]

Quote: ANB

So enough public statement.

Listen, the dispute takes on a childish tinge on the topic "whose dad is stronger." I will answer for the last time, and we will finish on this. A public statement by the President is not enough. The President is not a tsar (as in the Russian Federation). This does not work. ratification I don't see any sense in answering, it is childish. There is a procedure for signing such documents. Russia has not ratified the "Bucharest Memorandum", and that's all, there is no need to fulfill it. So it will be with the hypothetical statement of the President of Ukraine. ra.ka "so that the tyrant rulers do not give away drunken" Kemsky volosts ". And if such simple truths need to be explained to you ... what then to talk about. The president, even captured by terrorists, will not be able to either promise or give them anything. why it was done (exaggerating). On this, let me take my leave, the pointless dispute and your clumsy attempts to prove the legitimacy of the seizure of foreign territories under the guise of "we need it more" are pretty tired. Crimea will never become an official Russian territory with everyonethe consequences for its inhabitants and the Russian Federation.

[ANB]

. .Krym never become official Russian territory with all the consequences for its residents and the Russian Federation

So Crimea is already officially Russian territory with all the ensuing consequences.

[revnagan]

Quote: ANB

Crimea is already officially Russian territory

Officially CAPTURED, but NOT RECOGNIZED BY ANYONE IN THE WORLD, Russian territory (about the "recognition" by your lackeys like South Ossetia, which itself is not recognized by anyone, you can not mention).

Quote: ANB

with all the ensuing consequences.

Well, if the sanctions are not enough, and they did not affect the economy of the Russian Federation in any way. Plus, nobody needs Crimean products, Crimean diplomas are not quoted anywhere, etc. etc ... In general, go ahead.

[ANB]

. Plus, Crimean products are not needed by anyone, Crimean diplomas are not quoted anywhere, etc. and so on

In Ukraine, yes. Not needed and not quoted.
I have a friend from Feodosia. He himself moved to Moscow under the Ukrainian Crimea. But his father is happy as a hippo.
We opened a plant in Primorsky, orders went. Planting vineyards, building roads. Full of work, and normal work, and not sitting in the market or in a shaman. I personally buy Crimean oysters in the store, if I have time. Since they disassemble quickly. Was in Crimea in 2008, 2009 and last year. Just drove to familiar places. The difference is very noticeable.

[ANB]

. In Russia, a contract was signed for the construction of two landing ships of domestic production - analogues of French ships. Work in the near future will begin at the Zaliv shipyard in Crimean Kerch.

[ANB]

. Having recognized ETU Ukraine, Russia does not fight with it, but cooperates by selling goods and raw materials (the same fuels and lubricants

Read the comments on this site. Almost 100 percent are outraged by this.

[Voyager]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

That we took Crimea, that all of Ukraine, the consequences would be the same now.

Due to the lives of our military? Was it necessary to fully deploy troops and begin a massive shed of blood? We were afraid of this and for a reason.

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

That we took Crimea, that all of Ukraine, the consequences would be the same now

Thoughtfully ... Interestingly, but the question "at whose expense the banquet" was considered when writing?

[Stepych]

Quote: u123uuu

Putin is a cool strategist, but alas it seems that war or harsh decisions in that spirit is not his.

I do not agree.
For 20 years of rule, it would be possible to bring the country out of the oil and gas needle. Instead, they continued to stupidly sell oil and gas without developing light industry and consumer goods. As a strategist, in the first place, he would set such a task so that there is independence from external supplies.
Then the "optimization" of the health care system led to the fact that the coronavirus was raging across the country. There is a lack of specialists in the field, and medical students have to be attracted.
A mess in the healthcare system.
So this is most likely a failure

[New Year day]

Quote: u123uuu

Putin is a cool strategist

judging by the result in Ukraine- yes

Quote: u123uuu

war or harsh decisions in that spirit is not his.

and Munich speech, at least, doesn’t count?

[revnagan]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

We left all the rest in Ukraine.

100% true.

Quote: Alexey Sommer

And they are not enough.

Now it’s much less. And precisely because

Quote: Alexey Sommer

We left all the rest in Ukraine.

Quote: Alexey Sommer

And this is just our land.

No, this is our land, and the Russian Federation has nothing to do with my land.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: revnagan

No, this is our land, and the Russian Federation has nothing to do with my land.

Excuse me, what language do you think?
Less to you is not mine. Note)

[revnagan]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Excuse me, what language do you think?

In Russian. Not Russian, but in Russian. As the Austrians think in German. And the Swiss. And the Belgians.

[Alexey Sommer]

Yes .. And you live, you are like a Belgian?

[revnagan]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Do you live like a Belgian?

As a citizen of Ukraine. Approximately, as an average Russian.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: revnagan

No, this is our land, and the Russian Federation has nothing to do with my land

All all? Well, love her, and save the land, the people ... and the country ... Otherwise, you rob it godlessly, and your most successful export is the export of "migrant workers" ... How many people are left in your homeland? And how much will remain in 10 years?

[revnagan]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

All all? Well, love her, and save, and the land, and the people ... and the country ...

I do what I can to save. And the land and the people. But some nimble neighbors strive to chop off a piece for themselves, taking advantage of the scum that got into our power, and there is trouble in the country. Only my humble forces are barely enough to fulfill their duties .

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And then rob it shamelessly, and your most successful export is the export of "migrant workers" ...

Oh, you shamelessly flatter me .

Quote: Mountain Shooter

How many people are left at home? And how much will remain in 10 years?

Yes, this is bad. But you have the same thing. So why should I change my idea? Yes, the Russians are not allowed into the European Union, and you would have such a shameful thing as zarobitchans.

[ANB]

. But some nimble neighbors strive to chop off a piece for themselves, taking advantage of the fact that scum got into our power, and the country is in trouble.

Debt by payment is red.
At first, some nimble neighbors chopped off a piece for themselves (and not a small one) in 1991. And when the return flow started, now they howl "and we are for sho?" Sorry, now capitalism and PAC.

[revnagan]

Quote: ANB

At first, some nimble neighbors chopped off a piece (and not a small one) in 1991.

No one chopped off anything in 1991. Everything was allowed kindly, honestly, within the framework of international law.

Quote: ANB

Excuse me, now capitalism and FWM.

Nothing, God will forgive. We will wait ...

[ANB]

. No one chopped off anything in 1991. Everything was allowed kindly, honestly, within the framework of international law.

So how did you not chop off?
Taking advantage of the fact that in the USSR the president was a traitor Gorbachev, and in the RSFSR drunk Yeltsin, they completely brazenly and illegally left the Union. Bringing Crimea, Donbass and New Russia with them.
And now you are referring to the mythical "international law".
Well, now wait. True, what are you going to wait for?

[revnagan]

Quote: ANB

Taking advantage of the fact that in the USSR the president was a traitor Gorbachev, and in the RSFSR drunk Yeltsin, they completely brazenly and illegally left the Union.

Why so impudently, shamelessly and shamelessly lie? The first of the Union left the RSFSR on June 12, 1990.
"The Declaration on State Sovereignty of the RSFSR is a political and legal act that marked the beginning of constitutional reform and the proclamation of the state sovereignty of the RSFSR.
The declaration was adopted in the course of a difficult political struggle by the First Congress of People's Deputies of the RSFSR on June 12, 1990. Voting results: 907 for, 13 against, 9 abstained [1] [2].
In addition to the proclamation of the sovereignty of the RSFSR and the intention to create a new democratic rule of law within the renewed Union of the SSR, the declaration also stated:
priority of the Constitution and laws of the RSFSR over the legislative acts of the USSR;
wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_state_ sovereignty of the RSFSR
Having started to lie, you are no longer able to stop, and you generate more and more lies. "You are to blame for the fact that I want to eat!" No, guys, you can't build anything worthwhile on a lie. So Ukraine has every reason (legal) take advantage of the weakening of Russia and regain their own. Big things are done slowly. Let's wait.

[ANB]

. No, guys, you can’t build anything worthwhile on a lie. So Ukraine has every reason (legal) to take advantage of Russia's weakening and regain its own. Great things are being done slowly. Let's wait.

In 1990, the USSR itself still existed. And Yeltsin is also a separatist. I honestly wrote that Gorbachev and Yeltsin are traitors who drove the country to f. Ukraine brazenly took advantage of this.
Now Ukraine has fallen into the same position as Russia in the 90s.
And Russia also took advantage. And less arrogant, since only Crimea took.
And you wait there for yourself. By the way, what exactly are you waiting for? Hedgehogs we have eaten all of them, the economy to shreds, the bottom has broken. Already, growth is beginning. So you have to wait next time.

[revnagan]

Quote: ANB

Ukraine brazenly took advantage of this.

The first took advantage of the Russian Federation.

Quote: ANB

Hedgehogs we have eaten all of them, the economy to shreds, the bottom has broken.

I'm crying right now with compassion.

Quote: ANB

Already, growth is beginning.

Forward.

Quote: ANB

So you have to wait next time.

Though the next. After all, he will come very soon.

[ANB]

. Though the next. After all, he will come very soon.

And what exactly are you waiting for?

[revnagan]

Quote: ANB

And what exactly are you waiting for?

Ah, don’t bother .... You, the great ones, have nothing to fear at all, so doesn’t it matter what we wait.

[ANB]

. and so you would have such a shameful thing as zarobitchane.

So it was already. And it ended. How many salaries do Europeans offer? Maydauns dreamed of 1000 euros, and in Russia it was the average salary. And is it worth the Russians to go to Poland?
And who told you such nonsense that Russian citizens are not allowed abroad?

[revnagan]

Quote: ANB

And who told you such nonsense that Russian citizens are not allowed abroad?

They let me in, of course. You are just trying to pervert and defame the meaning of what I said above. But here, as Ukrainians, they are not taken that way. And about 1000 euros, salaries in the Russian Federation do not have to lie. 10-15-18 tyr. in the territory of Zamkadia is a normal RFov s / n.

[ANB]

. They let me in, of course. You are just trying to pervert and defame the meaning of what I said above. But here, as Ukrainians, they are not taken that way. And about 1000 euros, salaries in the Russian Federation do not have to lie. 10-15-18 tyr. in the territory of Zamkadia is a normal RFov s / n.
Reply

Well, where am I misinterpreting your words. Now you agree that the Russians are allowed abroad.
We clarify about the work. Ukrainians get jobs, mostly illegally and in low-skilled jobs.
Officially and for a normal salary, I think that they take about the same. Till. Although not a fact, I do not own statistics.
But to go koryachitsya in Poland for a penny, I definitely do not make sense.
Salary of the seller in 5ke 30-50 thousand. It is less than 1000 euros. But this is the position of the seller. Men in working positions get more.
In the 90s, yes, they also drove en masse to work over the hill. Now the departure has greatly decreased, as it is unprofitable.

[revnagan]

Quote: ANB

Now you agree that the Russians are allowed abroad.

You might think that I did not agree with this, but you convinced me of the opposite.

Quote: ANB

We clarify about the work.

We clarify about work, where? In the Russian Federation or the European Union?

Quote: ANB

Ukrainians get jobs, mostly illegally and in low-skilled jobs.

You don’t own the knowledge of the materiel. The fact of the matter is that they go to work, having previously drawn up a contract in Ukraine. Officially. Yes, they work in most of them not in the office, but where the locals don’t go. And the Russians can also pre-contract in the Russian Federation, and for a variety of jobs?

Quote: ANB

Salary of the seller in 5ke 30-50 thousand.

Oh, I’m so happy for you. If that were true, I would have rejoiced even more .

Quote: ANB

Now the departure has greatly decreased, as it is unprofitable.

It’s good that employers are right after the citizens of the Russian Federation. They grab from hand, offering 50 ty. for simple easy work, and citizens proudly turn away, not agreeing to work for such a penny. Finally, luck turned to face the Russians and you have built a society of universal social justice !

[ANB]

. offering 50 sput. for simple easy work, and citizens proudly turn away, not agreeing to work for such a penny.

There was no question of simple and easy work. But in Europe this is exactly what they are offering?
In the 90s, and we had such offices.
Now they are not visible. Share it somewhere.
At my work place, if I find an intelligent specialist to work for us, then I’m supposed to get a bonus of 30 thousand. And, damn it, I just got it. And work is easier than picking strawberries. True, it is not much easier.
And look at haha ​​ru.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

you export "migrant workers" ... How many people are left in the homeland? And how much will remain in 10 years?

I don’t get it. Explain more detailed please.

[major147]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

and your most successful export is the export of "migrant workers" ...

You underestimate them. More babies are successfully selling!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: revnagan

No, this is our land, and the Russian Federation has nothing to do with my land.

And who is claiming your land? As far as your media write correctly, you will not sell the land to the Russians, but only to the Americans and Gay Europeans. It is you who find reasons all the time to "squeeze" something from Russia, but not Russia from you. Crimea and Donbas were able to break away from the outskirts. Have you ever looked in the mirror for the last time?
And you write 100% of the truth that Russia left you. Have you ever looked at the data whom you threw, and for what? Maybe Russia needs 70% of the pro-Bandera Nazi population that has already blown up all of Ukraine. Live on your land, Russia does not need it, but what you got from Russia will have to be returned, because we are now on opposite sides of the barricades. Ours is ours, and yours is yours.

[major147]

Quote: tihonmarine

And you write 100% of the truth that Russia left you.

Why didn't they go out to the Maidan when they were blowing into their ears from irons and coffee grinders - "Ukraine is not Russia"! They only squealed with joy at the thought that they got rid of the "lazy and always drunk" older brother "whom they feed." I have not seen protests except in the Crimea.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: major147

They only squealed with joy at the thought that they got rid of the "lazy and always drunk" older brother "whom they feed."

Because they were 93% of these screeching with joy, so they do not need such a Maidan either then or now. Although now they no longer squeal, but squeal.

[mark2]

What's the truth then? The fact that the Ukrainians wanted to live separately, and Russia would have fed them? Did they throw a job to her and so on? And do not dream. Gone so gone. A debt would not be bad to return. Let the Crimea, let Donbas. With a black sheep, even a tuft of wool. It would be better of course with money. But the great agrarian power will remain agrarian. There will never be money from the word.

[major147]

Quote: mark2

But the great agrarian power will remain agrarian.

Yes, you flatter them, they buy agricultural products abroad, including and in Russia!

[revnagan]

Quote: mark2

A debt would not be bad to return.

Well, we have decided on our debts after the collapse of the USSR. Everything. Point. The rest is robbery. However, you can start by returning the squeezed oil production platforms.

Quote: mark2

Let the Crimea, let Donbas.

Bananas. And refined dust. Territories will come in handy when the government becomes sane, so NEVER Ukraine recognizes them as Russian.

[major147]

Quote: revnagan

No, this is our land, and the Russian Federation has nothing to do with my land.

Oh how !!!! And when did our land become "yours"? If you in the Union were allowed to live on it, then this does not make it yours. It's like a room in an apartment.

[revnagan]

Quote: major147

Oh how !!!! And when did our land become "yours"?

Hello to you. She was always ours. Here my great-grandfathers were born, lived and protected her. They are buried here. Here I was born, I live and I will protect her. And there is nothing to do for any of the people from the cordon.

Quote: major147

If you in the Union were allowed to live on it, then this does not make yours.

It’s ridiculous. Well, from whom do I need permission to live on my land, is it not from you, but, neighbors? What relation can you, with your RF, have to my property? Jews troll for hutspu, but you yourself are exactly like that same.

[major147]

Quote: revnagan

Hello to you.

The lands on which you temporarily live belonged first to RI, then to the USSR. They conquered them, bought them, etc. You deny them, like "lived in the occupation." How did you live "in occupation" on lands that do not belong to you? Like the blacks who were brought to the USA?

[revnagan]

Quote: major147

The lands on which you temporarily inhabit belonged first to RI

So we all live on this earth temporarily, and RI has long been living in Bose. Like the USSR. So what was conquered was conquered by my ancestors. And bought for the money of my ancestors. For future generations who will live. And the Russians Well, they can’t pretend to be descendants in any way, because everything that was new and alien after 1991. I didn’t live in occupation, my grandfathers freed Europe from the Nazis. They rebuilt the factories that blew up during the evacuation. These are their government bonds. I keep together with their photographs from Budapest, orders and medals, as a memory. So I didn’t live on earth for a minute. Which does not belong to me. It is mine by right. And you, Russian White Guards chauvinists, you can’t even dream about mine the earth.

[major147]

Quote: revnagan

And you, the Russian White Guard chauvinists, you can not even dream about my land.

It is bad that such a concept as "succession of states" is not familiar to you. We'll take all ours!

[revnagan]

Quote: major147

It is bad that such a concept as "succession of states" is not familiar to you.

It is perfectly familiar, therefore, Ukraine, like Russia, are the heirs of the USSR in the part that concerns them. And you will take "your" with "lyuli". Well, with manure. Come, personally a bunch of dump. Look, do not overstrain when you will take "your" with you, crawling on all fours . "His" he will take ... the bullock in the dogs hut ...

[major147]

therefore, Ukraine, like Russia, are the heirs of the USSR in the part concerning them.

Debts of the USSR also given?
We have just started from the Crimea, look on YouTube how people like you "Lyuli" promised, then apologized in captivity

[revnagan]

Quote: major147

Debts of the USSR also given?

But the assets of the USSR were also divided into all? Parents still have a savings book. Sberbank of the USSR lies, and it has 10 full-fledged Soviet rubles. And 000 from me. Who did you give them to?

Quote: major147

We just started from Crimea

On that and finished.
But who can argue? On the "hapok", the factor of surprise, cunning and despicable perfidy .... 6 years have passed since then, much has changed, in the fact that the Russians - "brothers" are no longer believed. And to force the prisoners to apologize ( and taken by surprise by former "brothers") a lot of heroism is not needed.

[major147]

Quote: revnagan

And the assets of the USSR also divided into all?

How to repay debts - so Russia, how to divide assets - so on everyone! Interesting logic!

The book of the Sberbank of the USSR lies, To whom did you give them?

They gave you $ 200 million over 20 years! Where have you been?

On the "hapok", the factor of surprise, cunning and despicable perfidy.

And Crimeans only rejoiced and welcomed .....

a lot has changed, in the fact that the Russians - "brothers" no longer believe.

Our brothers in the Crimea and in the Donbass! Bandera is not our brothers.

And make the prisoners apologize

Yes, God bless them, with an apology! But as the camera promised "Muscovites" "here and there," but something did not grow together ....

[revnagan]

Quote: major147

Interesting logic!

Not worse than yours: screaming that you gave back your debts for everyone (although, in fact, you didn’t repay them), but the fact that the assets were tidied up FOR EVERYTHING is modestly silent.

Quote: major147

They gave you $ 200 million over 20 years! Where have you been?

And show the statement with my signature. Net? Yes, 200 of something there is not a debt given, but the top bribed. So you can ask the question "where did you go" to the Rostov prisoner.

Quote: major147

And Crimeans only rejoiced and welcomed .....

Yes, if only for health. And now seriously: the only plus of Crimea is that there was no blood, like in the Donbass. That's all. Legally, Crimea remains Ukrainian, and no one will ever recognize him as Russian. And the most interesting thing there is just beginning : there is no water, the winter was snowless, there will be no tourists. There are budget problems in Russia, so it will be difficult to get money in the Crimea. Agricultural products in Crimea are not in demand (far to carry, the price rises, plus, again, watering .. .). So the Russian salaries and pensions of Crimeans will be expensive. A year for n x will be hard, and it's only the beginning.

Quote: major147

But as the camera promised "Muscovites" "here and there," but something did not grow together ...

Well, then it’s not a man. He promised, do it. And is it something offensive to you?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

People are just sorry. We left all the rest in Ukraine.
And they are not enough.
And this is just our land.

At first, everything was sold by Eltsin, and then captured by immigrants from Western Ukraine. There are many of our Soviet people in Ukraine, who are with us in our souls and minds, and as many people who are against us, and even hate with fierce hatred. You can only feel sorry for the first half, but nothing can be done already.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: tihonmarine

You can only feel sorry for the first half, but nothing can be done already.

Everything is possible. It would be a desire and a will.

[major147]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Quote: tihonmarine

You can only feel sorry for the first half, but nothing can be done already.

Everything is possible. It would be a desire and a will.

What, again to Russian Vanya to pour his blood while Mykola chews bacon and thinks out what else to demand from Vanya for "capturing him by Velik Nenki"?

[revnagan]

Quote: major147

What, again to Russian Vanya to pour his blood while Mykola chews bacon and thinks out what else to demand from Vanya for "capturing him by Velik Nenki"?

By "Mykola" do you mean Kozhedub? Kovpak? Kirponos? Heroes of the Soviet Union-Ukrainians, who are second only to Russians in the number of awarded? And, yes, yes, yes, your president said that "they coped (would) themselves" , the truth is .

[major147]

Quote: revnagan

By "Mykola" do you mean Kozhedub? Kovpak? Kirponos? Heroes of the Soviet Union-Ukrainians, who are second only to Russians in the number of awarded? And, yes, yes, yes, your president said that "they coped (would) themselves" , the truth is

You do not touch the Heroes of the USSR, who beat your idols - the fascists and Banderva, and whose monuments you are now demolishing with hooting. Go to the gay pride parade along Bandera street and do not touch the Heroes with your bloody paws, you sold them for "European" cowards!

[revnagan]

Quote: major147

who beat your idols - fascists and banderv

Judging by your comments, these are your idols. My people are standing on the photo as if they were alive. On May 9, I celebrate with them every year.

Quote: major147

Go to the gay parade

Sorry, I don’t go to some events with you.

Quote: major147

don't touch out your bloody paws

In general, by the way. By the way, why is it so angry, a dog-watchdog? Did you miss the spring vaccine against rabies? Did you stop the tail?

[major147]

Quote: revnagan

Judging by your comments, these are your idols. My people are standing on the photo as if they were alive. On May 9, I celebrate with them every year.

Beautiful fairy tale! When you destroy the next monument to the heroes of the Second World War, you can tell your own people - laugh.

Quote: revnagan

Sorry, I don’t go to some events with you.

I hasten to upset the ukroeitusovku - such rubbish does not exist in Russia, but I am watching with curiosity the further movement of Ukraine along Bandera Street to Europe. Or is there no street like this in the capital "Square"? By the way, do you know that RI bought your capital from the Poles?

Quote: revnagan

By the way, why so angry, dog watchdog?

Well, when the argument ends at Bandera, he goes on to personal insults. Not new.
You can also call me "Putin's slave". I will not sleep all day, I will not eat all night, I will "worry"!

[revnagan]

Quote: major147

Beautiful fairy tale! When you destroy the next monument to the heroes of the Second World War, you can tell your own people - laugh.

The Arabs say: “sand is heavy, and stone is heavy, but the worst is the anger of a fool.” This is about you. But the monuments to the Heroes of the Second World War in my city:
http://shostka.info/shostkanews/vo-vremya-karantyna-kulturnye-meropryyatyya-v-shostke-prohodyat-vyrtualno-vyrtualnaya-ekskursyya-v-muzej-kozheduba/
Well, this is for you to break the template. However, the descendants of the White Guards and Vlasovites, this is not to understand ....

Quote: major147

there’s no such rubbish in Russia,

Yeah, never since Tchaikovsky, ending Moiseev in Russia this was not. Glory to the braces.

Quote: major147

By the way, are you aware that RI bought your capital from the Poles?

In the course. But it’s not clear what side you, the descendants of serfs, feel about the tsar’s purchase. Yes, and now it’s now in the yard-21. And you know that in the 21st century Moscow pays tribute to the Caucasus, like the Tatars in 17m? You were one of the Golden Horde uluses shortly before the purchase of the territory of the then Maloros? And now what? Ulan Bator will require a tribute, give? .

Quote: major147

Well, when the argument ends at Bandera, he goes on to personal insults. Not new.

I don’t know the Bandera, so you know better. As for the insults, for some reason you can, and this is considered from your side almost valor. But how do you like the same coin: "- And we are for sho ?!". Oh, somewhere I have already heard something like that .... Someone you remind me with that, I just don't understand who. Well, just one to one.

Quote: major147

I will not sleep all day, I will not eat all night, I will "worry"!

Right now, I would like to help you wholeheartedly, but I don’t know how. If I were a cat-valerian, I would suggest drinking, and so ... Well, dig out a bone, gnaw it, or lie down for yourself something (if you stayed), maybe let it go.

[major147]

Quote: revnagan

maybe let it go.

Well, based on the totality of your posts, I can state a complete lack of mental function, the main reason for which is the systematic long jumps from the pan on the head.

[Incvizitor]

It would be the people’s desire and will, enough to feed them a tit.

[revnagan]

Quote: tihonmarine

There are many of our Soviet people in Ukraine, who are with us in our hearts and minds,

Not with you (as with Russia), but with you, just like with the USSR. Well, since the difference between the USSR and the modern RF is approximately the same as between a simple chair and an electric one, it’s not with you.

[major147]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

Russia has not left anyone. These are Ukrainians

I will subscribe to your every word! But in the opinion of not our brothers, as always, "Russia is to blame for everything!"

[Incvizitor]

Something went wrong with the former slave with independence, he immediately ran to look for new masters, this slave cannot be without masters ...

[Maverick78]

The storyteller ... at the time of the collapse of the Union, no more than 15 percent negatively related to Russia ...

[Vend]

Well it is. They themselves are to blame.

[major147]

Quote: Wend

Well it is. They themselves are to blame.

What do you!? According to their old tradition, they are "not guilty of anything"!

[Vend]

Quote: major147

Quote: Wend

Well it is. They themselves are to blame.

What do you!? According to their old tradition, they are "not guilty of anything"!

But you never know what they’ll invent for themselves)

[4ekist]

That is our land.

[Maverick78]

Believe me, you had no other option.

[demo]

And the most obscene thing is that our leadership has stepped over and recognized the coup.
Then she began to communicate with the putschists.
And now it’s impossible to wash off of it.
Now, if they would say to the UN or where else:
"Maidan is the illegal overthrow of a popularly elected president. We do not recognize the power that has come.
In order to avoid bloodshed, we are introducing our troops into the territory inhabited by ethnic Russians, and which is primordially Russian land. "
Then then, Nebenzya could be taught to live Polish-French-German Germans.
And now it’s not worth it.

[andr327]

They don't want to hear it, that's why they don't hear it. And there was no command to "pull out the earplugs" from Washington.

[svp67]

Well, where does France climb with its claims against us in relation to Crimea ... maybe it’s enough for us to remain silent and not recognize Mayotte as its member?

[The leader of the Redskins]

And what will it give? Well, we do not recognize Venezuela, Cuba, Armenia .... We can even impose sanctions. What will it give? How will this hit the same France? Will they withdraw their banks from there, or will airfrance with the rest of the world's airlines stop flying?

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And what will it give?

So far, just a hint ... We don’t know how it will turn tomorrow, maybe France will turn out to be objectionable to the "world community"

[The leader of the Redskins]

This is unlikely ... No, everything happens, but the French are not a third-rate country and, I am sure, while doing her colonial affairs, she consults with the "gentlemen's club" - are anyone's interests being infringed upon? And our lord of the Siberian Cranes imagined that he had risen above the birds and decided to turn it in an original way, but in his own way. It seems to have worked out, but somehow clumsily ...

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

It seems to have happened, but clumsily somehow ....

Once you can’t stop halfway ... you always need to finish things right away

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

Well, where does France climb with its claims against us in relation to Crimea ... maybe it’s enough for us to remain silent and not recognize Mayotte as its member?

You may not recognize the entire zone of influence of the CFA, where France creates the economic and military genocide of the African population.

[rocket757]

Vasily Nebenzya reminded the interlocutors of how it all began.

No, they will not remember, they will not understand .... until they bring something formidable, argued to their "nose"! Then their scent will immediately appear and the memory will "wake up"!

[cniza]

Interrogated, it will be so ...

[Terenin]

Quote: cniza

Interrogated, it will be so ...

I agree. It's time to finish - harness ...

[major147]

Quote: Terenin

Quote: cniza

Interrogated, it will be so ...

I agree. It's time to finish - harness ...

I think that you need to harness "when ready." "They don't show a fool half the battle!" When the "arguments" are completely ready, then they should be brought "to the nose" of the consumer!

[rocket757]

Honestly ... I just fantasized, did not even dream.
It is bad that our desires do not correspond to our reality and possibilities.
We need many changes in the country, we have got a Schaub, and we must bring in those who will do it.

[Masha]

Crimea is Russia! And this is a fait accompli! And who is there that sounds ... on the drum ....

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Masha

Crimea is Russia! And this is a fait accompli! And who is there that sounds ... on the drum.

Yes, already 6 years have passed, and everyone agrees that this is Russia. This is only in arthropods, the Crimea is still supposedly independent, and the Crimea is already for her as "by the company they are wearing chacha, past the nose cherry plum", flew like a basin over the bath. Everything flies away with a whistle from the outskirts, and they all jump and jump like driven horses with their blinders down over their eyes, and don't notice anything ...

[New Year day]

Quote: tihonmarine

and everyone agrees that this is Russia.

.. and even Ukraine! BUT the theme of Crimea is very convenient for the Ukrainian government - you can exaggerate it, chew it, spit it out and chew it again, since this is relevant and a simple Ukrainian will not ask the authorities about education, healthcare, and living standards. Again, those who are offended love and little by little they throw up some money.
because

Quote: tihonmarine

they all gallop and gallop, like driven horses dropping their blinders over their eyes, and noticing anything .....

because it’s so convenient and even beneficial, but ... not for everyone

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Silvestr

BUT the theme of Crimea for the Ukrainian government is very convenient - you can exaggerate it, chew, spit it out and chew again

And what is more for them to scratch with their tongue. Are they really going to exaggerate and shout that the Crimea and Donbas have run away from them, or that they have already started their lands "under the hammer."

[major147]

Quote: tihonmarine

and do not notice anything .....

In front of them, Crimea and Donbass are "waving" so that their eyes are not averted while the remnants of the "Square" are being fought!

[revnagan]

Quote: tihonmarine

all agree that this is Russia.

All this is who? Your lackeys who live at your expense and do not even have the international status of a state (such as South Ossetia) ?

[prior]

Nebenza should express her gratitude to the Ukrainian "skakuas" and their European directors.
Without their active help, Crimea would have remained Ukrainian.
And now - our Crimea.
Continue to ride Svidomo, and there you watch and the rest of Ukraine will return to its native harbor.

[babylon]

What do you think means "ours"? But the Ukrainian people are not ours or something that was left to their own devices?
These are our people and we theirs, it must be understood in our heads and not to separate what it is we and it is they

[prior]

In America, darkness is the people of Russia. Whose will they be? Ours or theirs?
In fascist Germany, a mass of soldiers were workers and sympathized with the USSR. Whose are they?
Vlasov, Krasnov, Kolchak Russians. Whose are they?
While the Ukrainian people are not with us, they are not ours. For the most part, if not Bandera, then a hatskraynik.
The term "non-brothers" did not appear in Russia.

[babylon]

I don’t understand your answer to my comment, but I’ll try to answer your arguments,
Well, firstly, the United States is a country of immigrants there, all the strangers and who went there, he decided for himself where he should live and don’t need to confuse America with Ukraine. Ukraine has always been the same Russia and people are the same Russians as we are,
Well, Vlasov and others like him are also ours, even though they are bastards, but they are our bastards as they say in the family
And you need to understand one thing that Bandera is not a people is not a nation is an ideology

[revnagan]

Quote: vavilon

Ukraine has always been the same Russia

Was.

Quote: vavilon

people are the same Russians as we are

And here-naughty. Russians, yes, there are plenty of us here. Soviet-also yes, I agree. Russians? No, thank you. To change Petliura's Ukraine to White-Guard Russia is to change awl for soap. There are no "Russians" here and will not be.

[babylon]

And who are you at the summit?
Who do you think you are?

[revnagan]

Quote: vavilon

you summit

What "summit"?

Quote: vavilon

Who do you think you are?

A citizen of Ukraine (I would like the USSR, but alas ...) by ethnicity-Russian. I do not want to in the Russian Federation. Explain why?

[babylon]

Try to explain, trying to understand you

[revnagan]

Quote: vavilon

Try to explain

Now Russia is no better than Ukraine. Everything is bought and sold. Power belongs to a bunch of oligarchs. There is no justice such as in the USSR. Russia seizes other people's territories by the right of the strong, but in relation to itself, beloved, it refuses to recognize this right. easily refuses his words, guarantees, promises under far-fetched pretexts. The Russian government lies and dodges. Crimea was needed not because Russians live there, but as a strategically important territory. An opportunity arose, Ukraine weakened, and the Russian Federation squeezed Crimea in spite of their guarantees. And the whole world is pouring nonsense into the ears. "You are to blame for the fact that I want to eat", yeah. The main thing that I do not like is injustice. No, in Ukraine the situation with justice is not better, but let's say, just like that Russia is far from the USSR, it has become exactly the same capital country as the rest, and lives on the principle of robbers from the fairy tale "We will rob, good, we will be robbed, bad." Plus constant, ever-swelling chauvinism "We fed you , all yours is ours, yes you have a languagethen no ... "and other Nazi crap. Therefore, the Russian Federation is no better than Ukraine. Ukraine is my home, my small homeland. It was robbed under a plausible pretext, and adhering to the principles of" divide and conquer ", they plan to rob in the future. You are surprised that I'm against?

[babylon]

Of course, I agree with many of your comments, and I adhere to the same point of view, well, I have one BUT!
The problem is that today Ukraine uses other forces that are now in power, they do not need Ukraine, Ukraine for them is a way to earn money and they rely on world financial institutions that will absorb Ukraine, and its people will become homeless on their own land and from Ukraine one name will remain
As for Russia, I agree with you, but this is not the way of struggle that is happening in Ukraine now
First you need to clean up your house in Kiev and then you can already talk with Russia
And so we will always be scapegoats in someone’s hands
As for me we are one people that Russia Belarus Ukraine, it is politicians who made us all enemies and pushed our heads together

[revnagan]

Quote: vavilon

they do not need Ukraine

They need Ukraine, like Russia, for their own purposes. Russia is angry because it has lost influence in Ukraine, and capitalist Russia is just as ready to swallow Ukraine with all the consequences.

Quote: vavilon

As for Russia, I agree with you, but this is not the way of struggle that is happening in Ukraine now

And there is no other way to fight. What can you do if Natsik became the most ardent fighters for the territorial integrity of Ukraine .

Quote: vavilon

First you need to clean up your house in Kiev and then you can already talk with Russia

External forces neither in the West nor in the East does not need it. After all, it is so convenient to do your deeds under the slogan of "fighting the Nazis" or the "eastern threat". Therefore, there is only one way out - to make the invaders pay an exorbitant price.

Quote: vavilon

As for me, we are one people that Russia Belarus Ukraine

I used to think so, too, but now, no. And I don’t want to have anything to do with stiff Russians. When they become Russians again, then perhaps. Only so that it is not too late.

[babylon]

In Russia, it is not going to absorb Ukraine because oligarchs rule in Russia and oligarchs are not financially profitable to absorb countries, but to maintain their spheres of influence is yes.
There are different ways of fighting, do you think it’s better to shed blood to send young people who do not understand what they’re fighting to the bullets, Just don’t tell me here about the slogans “Ukraine ponadus” or the like?
As I said, you need to understand first inside Ukraine without otherworldly help. We look at the oligarchic system of Russia and we don’t notice the oligarchs who take away the last of the Ukrainian people
As for our Slavic peoples, so I can say one thing that no one chooses and does not replace father and mother

[Operator]

Is "Ukraine" in Canada?

[revnagan]

Quote: vavilon

In Russia is not going to absorb Ukraine

Of course it is going. In Russia, they well remember the words of Z. Brzezinski (the land is glass wool) that without Ukraine it will never be a superpower. And it will not hurt to move the borders away from the West. Taking the remains of industry from the "fascists" .Pipelines. Nedra. But why do we need all this?

[revnagan]

Quote: prior

In America, darkness is the people of Russia. Whose will they be? Ours or theirs?

Theirs. And since former Russians have American passports, now America has rights to the territory on which these Russians previously lived. Well, just like Russia in the Donbass and in Crimea .

[prior]

Bravo. You are a master of verbiage, in a good way. Just let these former elections be held in the territory that they supposedly have the right to hold. Well, as in the Crimea or in the Donbass.
Let's see what happens.
And then suddenly, as a result of the referendum, it turns out that Alaska and California are not American at all.

[revnagan]

Quote: prior

Just let these former elections be held in the territory that they supposedly have the right to hold.

To do this, it will be necessary to introduce the US military / territorial control to these territories, treacherously taking advantage of the gullibility of the Russian Federation (as the Russian Federation did in relation to Ukraine). I hope that China will restore world justice in relation to Russia ....

[prior]

Obviously, you are ready to lie under anyone, even under America, even under China, if only to shit Russia for returning its rightful territory - the Crimea, which, by Khrushchev’s stupidity, accidentally became part of Soviet Ukraine.

[revnagan]

Quote: prior

Obviously you're ready to lie under anyone

Do not judge strangers by yourself. Not everyone is ready to do what you are in a similar situation. And yes, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Quote: prior

just to spoil Russia

Do not shit, but restore justice.

Quote: prior

she regained her rightful territory

She (Russia) can return Crimea only to Ukraine. Since the collapse of the USSR, this is the legal territory of Ukraine. And legally, nothing has changed at the moment.

[major147]

Quote: vavilon

What do you think means "ours"? But the Ukrainian people are not ours or something that was left to their own devices?
These are our people and we theirs, it must be understood in our heads and not to separate what it is we and it is they

Ours rose up against the junta, and yours happily visited such "attractions" during the Maidan!

Cherishing your "greatness" over "quilted jackets"! But I'll upset you, yours is also sitting in a cage!

[babylon]

And in the cell and outside the cell it is also ours and we theirs

[major147]

Quote: vavilon

And in the cell and outside the cell it is also ours and we theirs

Can you imagine such a performance with a Ukrainian in a cage in Russia !?

[New Year day]

Quote: prior

and there you look and the rest of Ukraine will return to its native harbor.

I do not like it when, so to speak, they operate with the concepts of "territory" and not with people.
In fact, this is the philosophy of the Banderlog: "Crimea will be Ukrainian or deserted"
People are the main thing in any territory and it is necessary to fight for the minds, it is difficult, but possible.
Hence the question: how do you pretend to all of Ukraine, quitting the fight for the minds of Ukrainians?

[prior]

Do not cling to terms. For me, the territory of Ukraine and the people of Ukraine are inextricable, like Crimea and Crimeans.
It is useless to "treat" Zapadentsev, so there is no one to fight for, and Orthodox Ukraine will eat its fill of crap and remember the Pereyaslav Rada.

[babylon]

I fully support you, now many Ukrainian minds are clogged with the ideology of Bandera and this weed needs to be uprooted and we need to do it now, nobody will do it for us

[tihonmarine]

Quote: prior

Continue to ride Svidomo, and there you watch and the rest of Ukraine will return to its native harbor.

That's for sure, because time works against them.

[tihonmarine]

After that, Vasily Nebenzya urged the participants in the meeting not to build judgments without having listened to those who live in Crimea now.

But the "progressive west" people in Crimea do not see or hear, they are just dust for them, but they see and hear in Kiev the Zelnskiy, Kolomoskiy, Veltsmans, as well as Banderas who have joined them, and other garbage that have nothing to do with Crimea ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Right to all the service stations!

[Vladimir]

Quote: prior

Without their active help, Crimea would have remained Ukrainian.
And now - our Crimea.

I agree, there was still a certain third party in the scenario of which they surrendered the Crimea, agree 25 thousand. a soldier of the Ukrainian army, although not quite combat-ready, is something, and I believe there was an order from the outside.

[New Year day]

Quote: Vladimir 

I agree, there was still a certain third party in the scenario of which they surrendered the Crimea, agree 25 thousand. a soldier of the Ukrainian army, although not quite combat-ready, is something, and I believe there was an order from the outside.

everything is simple! You can get an answer. looking all hated Gordon. 2 former defense ministers of Ukraine live in Russia - does this mean something?

[major147]

Quote: Vladimir 

there was still a certain third party

Are you talking about the Lord God?

[cniza]

Russian Permanent Representative to the UN Vasily Nebenzya commented on another attack against Russia on the issue of reunification with Crimea.

The issue with Crimea is closed and there is nothing to procrastinate it.

[Terenin]

Quote: cniza

Russian Permanent Representative to the UN Vasily Nebenzya commented on another attack against Russia on the issue of reunification with Crimea.

The issue with Crimea is closed and there is nothing to procrastinate it.

So if the teeth are knocked out or can be knocked out, it remains - to procrastinate

[major147]

Quote: cniza

The issue with Crimea is closed and there is nothing to procrastinate it.

They are "combing" him and he worries them!

[revnagan]

Quote: cniza

The question with Crimea is closed

This is your point of view. Ukrainian is different. The question is postponed until there is a decision in favor of Ukraine.

[cniza]

Quote: revnagan

The question is postponed until there is a decision in favor of Ukraine.

Who should decide and why in favor of Ukraine, the people of Crimea have already decided, period.

[revnagan]

Quote: cniza

the people of Crimea have already decided, period.

You say a point, we say a comma. International laws are violated, no one recognized Crimea as Russian. We’ll wait. If you sit on the river for a long time, sooner or later the enemy’s corpse will float by ...

[cniza]

Here time will judge us, it’s not long to wait ...

[75 Sergey]

I don’t understand one thing, why Russia will not put the return of Crimea as a restoration of justice, i.e. return of the territory with the population, ka illegally squeezed earlier by Ukraine?
To begin with, the transfer of Crimea to the RSFSR was not ratified, and Sevastopol, as a separate enclave, has always been the territory of the RSFSR.

[New Year day]

Quote: 75Sergey

ka illegally squeezed earlier by Ukraine?

in more detail from this place ..
Crimea was not squeezed out, but transferred to Ukraine by decision of the supreme power of the USSR. The opinion of people, neither then nor now, was or is not interested

[major147]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: 75Sergey

ka illegally squeezed earlier by Ukraine?

in more detail from this place ..
Crimea was not squeezed out, but transferred to Ukraine by decision of the supreme power of the USSR. The opinion of people, neither then nor now, was or is not interested

Previously, the people of Crimea did not ask anyone about his desire, but now they asked and the people said their word! That's it, all the discussions are over!

[75 Sergey]

"The transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR (also known as the" transfer of Crimea to Ukraine ") was carried out on the basis of the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR dated February 19, 1954", but "The change in the territory of the republics was not included in the powers of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, determined by Article 49 of the Constitution of the USSR "and" According to Article 18 of the Constitution of the USSR in force in 1954 and Articles 16, 19, 22 and 23 of the Constitution of the RSFSR of 1937, the territory of the RSFSR could not be changed without its consent, which could be given by the highest body of state power - The Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR "and" According to the resolution of the Supreme Soviet of the Russian Federation dated 21.05.1992 No. 2809-1, the Resolution of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR dated 05.02.1954 "On the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR", as adopted in violation of the Constitution ( Of the Basic Law) of the RSFSR and the legislative procedure was recognized as having no legal force from the moment of adoption "
Let them go to the garden, take their own, not a stranger.

Here is such an incident, during the times of the USSR no one paid attention to this, but times have changed.

[babylon]

Justice will be restored when Russia Belarus Ukraine will be as one state and one people, this will be historical justice

[75 Sergey]

And for this we need to make sure that everyone in Russia works and generates income (a national idea, wages must be decent and productivity), when we ride like butter and cheese, then we will reach for us

[babylon]

Crimea is wonderful, why did Ukraine stay where it is now? because these are also our people our land our history
Why are we so cruel to Ukraine?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: vavilon

Why are we so cruel to Ukraine?

Did we really want that ???
The act of proclaiming the independence of Ukraine - adopted by an extraordinary session of the Supreme Soviet of the Ukrainian SSR on August 24, 1991, which proclaimed the independence of Ukraine. Thus, the legal existence of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was ended. The act came into force from the moment of its approval. 346 deputies voted for. On August 24, 1991, a blue-yellow flag was raised over the dome of the Verkhovna Rada - the flag of Ukraine, which people brought under the walls of the Verkhovna Rada. Simultaneously with the Declaration of Independence, the Decree on the Declaration of Independence was adopted, which stipulated the holding of a referendum on December 1, 1991 to confirm the Declaration of Independence. On December 1, 93% of the Ukrainian population voted for independence.

And where is our fault here, and how cruelly we treated Ukraine, if 93% of the population were against cohabitation. And now some of us say that it is our people. Somehow everything does not fit.

[babylon]

My dear interlocutor
And how do you explain the result of the referendum of March 91 when all the republics spoke out in favor of preserving the Soviet Union, and if I am not mistaken, more than 76% of the union, what can you say?
At that time, the central government was inactive in Moscow, purposefully loosening the USSR, separatism spread to the whole Union and the fact that Kiev accepted it didn’t mean anything, and where do you get these figures from 93 percent is completely false, while the whole army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, special services were under control of Moscow dotted and put the Bialowieza Agreement with the signature of Yeltsin
when all the other republics didn’t know what to do with this independence, At that time they also tried to create the Volga, Ural, and Far Eastern republics of Chechnya, which also voted for independence, but it is now part of Russia, how to explain this correctly?
I never agree when we do not know how to admit our mistakes and try to blame everything that happened on others.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: vavilon

at that time the whole army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and special services were under the control of Moscow a point over and the Belovezhskaya agreement with the signature of Yeltsin put

You bring everything down on Yeltsin, forgetting about Kravchuk and Shushkevich. There were three of them. The Belovegsky putsch was on December 8, 1991. But let me remind you again
On August 24, 1991, a blue-yellow flag was raised above the dome of the Verkhovna Rada - the flag of Ukraine, which people brought under the walls of the Verkhovna Rada. At that time, other crucial decisions were made: the deportation of law enforcement agencies (the prosecutor’s office, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the then KGB); It was decided to subordinate all military formations deployed on the territory of the republic to the Verkhovna Rada; form the Ministry of Defense; the government - to begin the creation of the Armed Forces, the Republican Guard and the security units of the Verkhovna Rada, the Cabinet of Ministers and the National Bank. And which army, which GB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which were no longer subordinate to Moscow on December 8.12.1991, XNUMX.

[babylon]

What’s the flag here? What kind of people? What are you talking about? Read my comment carefully again

[revnagan]

Quote: tihonmarine

The act of declaration of independence of Ukraine - adopted by the extraordinary session of the Supreme Council of the Ukrainian SSR on August 24, 1991, which proclaimed the independence of Ukraine.

Quote: tihonmarine

Did we really want that ???

Is not it so?
Here, admire "who first started."
"The Declaration on the State Sovereignty of the RSFSR is a political and legal act that marked the beginning of the constitutional reform and the proclamation of the state sovereignty of the RSFSR. The declaration was adopted during a difficult political struggle by the First Congress of People's Deputies of the RSFSR on June 12, 1990." (cited).
"The Declaration on State Sovereignty of the RSFSR is a political and legal act that marked the beginning of constitutional reform and the proclamation of the state sovereignty of the RSFSR.
The declaration was adopted during a difficult political struggle by the First Congress of People's Deputies of the RSFSR on June 12, 1990. The results of voting: 907 - in favor, 13 - against, 9 - abstained [1] [2]. "
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_state_ sovereignty of the RSFSR
If you find even one false word here, I will delete my account from the site.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: revnagan

If you find even one false word here, I will delete my account from the site.

Well what are you! I will even give some quotes. Gorbachev. If a republic emerges using constitutional law, the Union will experience infringement. And if Russia exercises its right of exit? Then - everything: there is no Soviet Union. more... Elzin. Russia needs full-blooded sovereignty! .. Russia has suffered great damage from an obsolete, but still clinging to the life of the administrative-command system. In terms of labor productivity, the republic is in first place in the country, and in spending on social needs - in the last, fifteenth. Not the center, but Russia should think about what functions to transfer to the center. Well, as a result. On June 12, 1990, the First Congress of People's Deputies of the RSFSR adopted the Declaration on State Sovereignty. Of the thousands who voted against, there were three. (On June 12, 1991, the republic elected its own President, B.N. Yeltsin). From the Declaration on State Sovereignty of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic of June 12, 1990

[major147]

Quote: vavilon

Crimea is wonderful, why did Ukraine stay where it is now? because these are also our people our land our history
Why are we so cruel to Ukraine?

Let Crimea go to Russia.

[babylon]

I'm all for it ! the fact is that in Russia we have forces that are not interested in the reunification of Slavic peoples

[tihonmarine]

Quote: major147

Let Crimea go to Russia.

Crimea, this is Crimea. He has a different story back in 1991. January 20, 1991 in the Crimean region of Ukraine held a referendum on the reconstruction of the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, first plebiscite in the history of the USSR. The question was put to a general vote: "Are you for the re-establishment of the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic as a subject of the USSR and a participant in the Union Treaty?" On January 22, 1991, the commission for a referendum in the Crimean region reported "On the results of the referendum on the state and legal status of Crimea, held on January 20, 1991". On the basis of the submitted protocols of the referendum commissions, the regional (central) commission reported that the number of citizens who took part in the voting was 1 people, which is 441% of those included in the lists. The number of votes cast for the restoration of the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic as a subject of the USSR and a participant in the Union Treaty amounted to 019, or 81,37% of those who took part.

[Campanella]

While Russia will hang between the legs of the powers that be, it will be kicked by everyone. Putin's getting up is reminiscent of the rise of a drunk who wants to get up, but his head does not cook and his legs do not obey ...

[north 2]

the fact that if there hadn’t been a coup in Ukraine so Crimea would have remained part of Ukraine, such a statement can only be like diplomatic pasta on the ears of those who do not understand or are afraid to admit that God has drawn the path of Russia, the relay legacy of past generations and history. And this path is the Empire, which must include not only Little Russia, Great Russia and White Russia, but also those lands of the Russian Empire that the ancestors annexed to this Empire as buffer zones to move through these lands the danger of enemy invasion into the Empire to empire to dismember, plunder and destroy. Moreover, if more than one generation of Russian wars and sailors shed blood for these lands of the Empire, these lands were so important for the generations of ancestors who created this Empire. So Russia cannot live without enclaves like Crimea. They should be returned as soon as possible to this reviving Empire, the rebirth of which will end in not a year or two, and after Putin. And it doesn’t matter what power is today in Little or White Russia. These lands must be returned to the new Empire, otherwise Lukoshenko in White Russia is now gradually being converted into Poroshenko in Little Russia and on the outskirts. But the new Empire cannot call its Kaliningrad region yet another Outskirts, because the outskirts of the Empire on which Kiev stands are already called Outskirts. So, through the territory of White Russia the lands of the Outskirts, the lands of Little Russia and the lands of the Kaliningrad region with the lands of Great Russia must be connected so that Russia finally revived its Empire. And do not wait until Lukoshenko finally becomes Poroshenko.
That's what should be in the minds of politicians such as Nebenzya, and only such thoughts of Russian politicians turning into actions justify them if they diplomatically hang pasta on the ears of local
liberals, Badera on the outskirts of the empire or the Anglo-Saxons abroad.

[Karaul73]

Opposition forced Yanukovych to escape!
Yes, he ran like a cowardly coyote! And Putin has sheltered this mess. Take the stolen money and throw it back to Ukraine. So that all subsequent ones know that you need to fight to the end.

[Rosko]

Dream on, the near future will show whose time and where it went. Your last name is not Anderson's case?

[Rosko]

Get out of your "crap" pigsty for a start, Selyuk are illiterate.

[Radius]

"... Who is this ordinary mass, which only after" retirement "began to move"
I wonder after what kick, sorry, stimulation !, the "ordinary" mass in Ukraine will stir?

[revnagan]

Quote: Akim

the communist state, in terms of its content and content, does not need an opinion ... of the majority of the people (!!).

What the hell is komunyatskoe? There’s a bar, but there are slaves whose opinion is not interesting to anyone. The bar decided that it would be better for them, that's all, period. Under the communists of the Russian Federation it grew by population, industry, people developed, (like Ukraine, by the way), but these ...

[Pug]

And there is nothing to report to them .. Just keep silent and with your lips like laurels explain everything

[Elephant]

And it was necessary to chop off gas altogether, how they Crimeans water, light, began to kill the Russians in the Donbass, etc.

[Junior Private]

Quote: Akim

There is a lot of shit in Ukraine, but this is a scoop, lack of education and the dominance of Jews in power. Let's figure it out. But, if you allow me, without you.

You've already figured it out enough. Enough for three generations. So profucu entire country still have to try. The agricultural industry is breathing in the dark, production has been killed (and what kind of defense industry), armed gangs roam the country, it’s not clear to anyone under control, soon it will be possible to convey greetings to the black soils ... And again, Russia is your fault. Tired of listening to your clinic.

Quote: Akim

Do not allow it - anger will be longer and more blood.

Here is a typical neohohlyatsky thinking. America commands the Ukrainians, Russia is to blame, but we will figure it out ourselves - we will fill everything with blood and will be angry in our own impotence. Ugh!

[Elephant]

The coup in Ukraine exposed the problems of the Russian special services, which at the initial stage allowed this obscurantism. The return of Crimea is certainly good for Russia, but bad - now Ukraine is under foreign influence and a hostile belligerent state.

[Olgovich]

Nebenzya: If not for the coup in Ukraine, Crimea would have remained where it was until 2014

Not so it was necessary: ​​Crimea was UNLAWFUL, in violation of the Constitution of the USSR and the RSFSR, transferred to Ukraine.

The people said their word in a referendum.

That's it!

[Olgovich]

Quote: Akim

not the people, but a particle of those who are sober and expecting millions on their heads))

It is the people of Crimea, 96%, who have said their WHOLE WORD so-called. "ukraine", which, with a kind of fright, considered Crimea .... its own.

Quote: Akim

) without tourists, without water))

There are more tourists than before, and the waters are the whole Black and Azov Seas.

But the pan-and-leg-not panties, no work, no land ...

The townspeople!

[AllBiBek]

Below you is a chair smoking. Please be careful, otherwise the whole hut will burn out - and Muscovites will always be to blame.

[AllBiBek]

All Ukraine in one film is "The Queen of the Gas Station", oddly enough. An archetype on an archetype, and "I won't give money," and "this is an anonymous call," and "a woman must have her little weaknesses," and so on, so on, so on ...

Even two bureaucrats in embroidered shirts, and the dilapidated bridge collapsed because of them.

Ie even then it was all, and on a massive scale, since everything was shoved into one not-so-expensive comedy.

So there is not so much arrogant-Saxon machinations as a mentality. The place there is.

[alien]

Quote: Akim

Apparently, history does not teach anything.

The Hauptman of the punitive battalion Roman Shukhevych at the OUN congress in 1940, he bluntly stated: "If half of the 40 million Ukrainians remain, there is nothing to worry about."
http://www.ukrstat.gov.ua/express/expr2020/02/18.pdf

[alien]

Akim (Akim)

Dostoevsky Fedor Mikhailovich. The diary of a writer. September - November 1877
III. ONE WITH ALL THE SPECIAL WORDS ABOUT THE SLAVES, WHICH I HAVE LIKE FOR A LONG TIME TO SAY
“... according to my inner conviction, the most complete and insurmountable - Russia will never have, and never have, haters, envious people, slanderers, and even obvious enemies, like all these Slavic tribes, as soon as Russia liberates them, and Europe agrees to recognize them released!
... It will be especially pleasant for the liberated Slavs to express and trumpet the whole world that they are educated tribes capable of the highest European culture, while Russia is a barbaric country, gloomy northern colossus, not even pure Slavic blood, persecutor and hater of European civilization ”
http://az.lib.ru/d/dostoewskij_f_m/text_0500.shtml

[alien]

Quote: Akim

But the board is yet to come

V. Zelensky:
“What the hell is the association with the EU? Which EU? Have you read the agreement? Europe takes our forest, Ukrainian zarobitchans make furniture, and then the EU sells this furniture to our country three times more expensive than for the countries of the European Union. They export our natural resources, make products, and then sell them to us. And what did Ukraine get from this? Loans on enslaving terms. Everything, nothing more ”

[Junior Private]

Quote: Akim

I haven’t been surprised for a long time - why Ukrainians hate the Scoop so much

Eka you deftly cling to the Ukrainians. They are our blood brothers, unlike the Ragul Nazis. I understand that you are not able to directly answer my questions. You just have to march under the banner of the Polish passive homosexual Bandera-Popel.

[Russian jacket]

Quote: revnagan

Quote: ANB

And who told you such nonsense that Russian citizens are not allowed abroad?

They let me in, of course. You are just trying to pervert and defame the meaning of what I said above. But here, as Ukrainians, they are not taken that way. And about 1000 euros, salaries in the Russian Federation do not have to lie. 10-15-18 tyr. in the territory of Zamkadia is a normal RFov s / n.

You have interesting salary statistics. In the Russian Federation. And just like my subordinates, simple hard workers, as well as teachers, doctors, kindergarten teachers in our small town in Siberia, go on vacation abroad. Of course, in basic it is Asia, but there are also many who went to Europe before quarantine. The figures given by you correspond to the average pension. My mother gets just 18 thousand. A teacher with forty years of experience. My place of residence is Siberia, about 100 km from Baikal in a straight line. The lower bar w / board we have in the production of 25 - 30 thousand. This is the second category. Energy I just get more than 1000 euros. Mid-level engineering.