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Nebenzya: If not for the coup in Ukraine, Crimea would have remained where it was until 2014

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Nebenzya: If not for the coup in Ukraine, Crimea would have remained where it was until 2014

Russian Permanent Representative to the UN Vasily Nebenzya commented on another attack against Russia on the issue of reunification with Crimea. It all started with the fact that during the meeting of the UN Security Council "with the participation of representatives of civil society", the permanent representatives of several European countries declared the non-recognition of Crimea as part of the Russian Federation. These permanent representatives are diplomats from France, Germany, the Czech Republic, as well as a diplomat from the European Union.


Responding to the attack from the series “we do not recognize the entry of the Crimean peninsula into Russia and believe that its accession by Russia is a violation of international standards,” Vasily Nebenzya reminded the interlocutors of how it all began.

The Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation made a reference to the beginning of 2014 and noted that Ukraine itself had opened the way for Crimeans to a referendum on the issue of self-determination.

Vasily Nebenzya:

Ukrainians have no one to blame but themselves.

The Russian diplomat also reminded the French and German colleagues that it was the representatives of the Foreign Ministries of these countries, along with the Polish Foreign Ministry, who in February 2014 acted as guarantors of the agreement between the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych and the opposition.

Vasily Nebenzya:

But the opposition violated these guarantees the very next day.

As is known, no measures were taken by the guarantors then. Both Germany, and France, and Poland have eliminated themselves.

Nebenzya recalled that the opposition carried out an armed seizure of power in the country, forcing Yanukovych to save his life.

Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN:

If then none of this had happened, then today Crimea would have remained where it was until 2014.

After that, Vasily Nebenzya urged the participants in the meeting not to build judgments without having listened to those who live in Crimea now.
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  1. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 22 May 2020 08: 06 New
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    Locally, for the coup, you can say thank you in that case.
    People are just sorry. We left all the rest in Ukraine.
    And they are not enough.
    And this is just our land.
    1. u123uuu
      u123uuu 22 May 2020 08: 16 New
      0
      They were thrown by the drunk Borka, but not the people. Who could without blood (Crimea) Putin pulled out. Alas, not everyone (Donbass), but there were reasons and conditions .. Putin is a cool strategist, but alas, it seems that war or harsh decisions in that spirit is not his.
      1. Alexey Sommer
        Alexey Sommer 22 May 2020 08: 25 New
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        Quote: u123uuu
        Putin is a cool strategist, but alas it seems that war or harsh decisions in that spirit is not his

        I can’t agree that he is a strategist ..
        Well, it doesn’t.
        That we took Crimea, that all of Ukraine, the consequences would be the same now. Only neither the Nord Stream nor the Turkish would need to be built now.
        And by the way, and now it’s not too late to take your own. Only the brains of the Seluk will have to solder longer now.
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          1. Alexey Sommer
            Alexey Sommer 22 May 2020 08: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: u123uuu
            How old are you, what terms do you judge?

            48, and you?
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          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 22 May 2020 08: 47 New
            +5
            Quote: Insurgent
            А решать проблему Окраины,России придётся всё равно,сколько не откладывай это дело "в долгий ящик".

            Yes, every year it will be more difficult to do, because the Soviet people leave, and instead they grow Bandera and Natsik.
          2. Alexey Sommer
            Alexey Sommer 22 May 2020 08: 57 New
            +4
            Quote: Insurgent
            but then Rotenberg would have been left without a Hero Star ...

            It's not about Rotenberg, it happened along the way.
            But thank him even for that.
          3. New Year day
            New Year day 22 May 2020 09: 40 New
            +2
            Quote: Insurgent
            А решать проблему Окраины,России придётся всё равно,сколько не откладывай это дело "в долгий ящик"..

            ... and the farther, the more expensive in every sense
        3. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 22 May 2020 08: 47 New
          +4
          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          That we took Crimea, that all of Ukraine, the consequences would be the same now

          No, not the same! It would not be possible to take all of Ukraine without blood. And that stopped ... IMHO. Left until better times, let it cross itself ...
          1. Alexey Sommer
            Alexey Sommer 22 May 2020 08: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            Left until better times, let it cross itself ...

            It has already been translated. In Croatia, in Bosnia.
            But Russia is not Serbia. We are potentially powerful, except for impotent politicians. You have to take yours.
          2. major147
            major147 22 May 2020 10: 20 New
            +2
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            That we took Crimea, that all of Ukraine, the consequences would be the same now

            No, not the same! It would not be possible to take all of Ukraine without blood. And that stopped ... IMHO. Left until better times, let it cross itself ...

            Да, это была бы победа...., но "Пиррова". Войди Россия тогда на Украину, они бы взвились на нас, мол мешаете идти к светлому будущему в Европу, да и с Западом поимели бы проблем не сравнимых с сегодняшними. А так, пусть переболеют.
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          1. mark2
            mark2 22 May 2020 09: 38 New
            +2
            And how are your Jews different from ours? The fact that both of them act not in the interests of the country of residence. You are embittered with us because your Jews told you so. Ours told us so. Maybe the whole thing is that you need to listen less, but what to do?
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              1. mark2
                mark2 22 May 2020 11: 37 New
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                Ivan Vasilyevich, when you say, it feels like you are raving
                (к/ф "Иван Васильевич меняет профессию")
          2. bondrostov
            bondrostov 22 May 2020 09: 45 New
            +5
            No Akim will not allow. One way or another, you have too much of our land and sooner or later we will return it to ourselves. And for the price we will not stand not yours not yours. It is bitter but it is.
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              1. bondrostov
                bondrostov 22 May 2020 09: 59 New
                +3
                In the world of rule, power will rule. So I won’t breed srach. Whether we can return our time or not will show time. So see you on the battlefield.
              2. Insurgent
                Insurgent 22 May 2020 11: 04 New
                +3
                Quote: Akim
                .Bodya Khmelnitsky, go and turn over in a coffin - forgive the Ukrainians, did not know what I was doing)

                Богдан Хмельницкий,который до поры-времени был с поляками "на одной ноге",а когда те его "кинули",стал вдруг "антипольским" и "пророссийским" ?

                Да собственно не вам " щирому украинцу-патриоту", на аве которого "красуется" polish sign в честь Хенрика Добжаньского ( "майора Хубаля"),заявлять об этом...

            2. revnagan
              revnagan 22 May 2020 20: 08 New
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              Quote: bondrostov
              you have too much of our land and we will return it to us sooner or later.

              You can have our land only under your nails, here you can return it to yourself. On our land you have nothing to do.
              1. bondrostov
                bondrostov 22 May 2020 21: 01 New
                +3
                Wait and see in battle.
                PS And this is our land including Kiev. your it is Lviv and Ivano Frankivsk command there.
                1. revnagan
                  revnagan 24 May 2020 10: 01 New
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                  Quote: bondrostov
                  will see
                  laughing
                  Yeah, what color is your combat sofa? And to begin, finish school, and pass the Russian exam.
                  Quote: bondrostov
                  And this is our land including Kiev.

                  Ага,это так по российски-"чужого не хотим,но своё заберём,чьим бы оно не было".Не,ребята,ничего у вас не получится.На этой земле жили мои предки,они её отстраивали своими руками(не российскими),поливали своим потом и кровью и легли в неё тогда, когда вас и в проекте не было.Так что можете считать что то своим,но люди на этой земле будут защищать именно СВОЁ,кровное.
                  Quote: bondrostov
                  your it is Lviv and Ivano Frankivsk command there.

                  С чего вы взяли,что такое НИКТО (именно"никто", а не "некто"),как вы,может решать ,кому что принадлежит?Я, и только я на своей земле буду решать,что тут будет,и как мне поступать. Львов и Франковск останутся тут,ну а бандеры могут катиться в свою любимую Польшу или там в Австрию.
          3. stalki
            stalki 22 May 2020 09: 47 New
            +3
            Yes, you have slogans no less, or even more, trying to cover up a fig leaf that is not being covered? Who wants to leave let him leave, this is the Russian land and nobody specifically holds you. laughing
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              1. stalki
                stalki 22 May 2020 10: 04 New
                +5
                We are not natives and not Indians, who were not asked when they took the land and turned into colonies, we are not going to uproot our roots. No matter how it is to anyone fantasized. Dream on tongue
          4. major147
            major147 22 May 2020 10: 40 New
            +8
            Quote: Akim
            Let's figure it out. But, if you allow me, without you. Do not allow it - anger will be longer and more blood. Who needs this, think, if you have not forgotten how to ...

            Были бы вы нормальными людьми, то сказали бы, мол дорогие братья (небратья), нам с вами не по пути. Вы остаётесь в Евразийском союзе, а мы идём в Европу. Счастливо оставаться, не поминайте лихом! Ну как чехи со словаками. Но вы же при попытке бегства обгадили всё что могли, плюнули во все колодцы и т.д. и т.п. И чего же вы хотите после всего вами сделанного? Что бы мы отёрись от ваших плевков и смотрели как вы распродаёте русские земли, обильно политые кровью наших предков? Может вы и уйдёте в "Европу" (если возьмут), но уйдёте в лучшем случае с тем, с чем пришли в 20-й век, а то и с тем, что в руках унесёте, т.е. голыми-босыми, без российских подарков!
          5. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 22 May 2020 11: 15 New
            +1
            Вот и разбиральсь бы сами, 23 года никто не мешал но за "америкаснами" нужно платить в любом случае, это как к игил примкнуть.
          6. Voyager
            Voyager 22 May 2020 12: 39 New
            +1
            only I - do not bother anyone to live.

            Even as you interfere.
            Quote: Akim
            Let's figure it out. But, if you allow me, without you.

            So you let go of people who are not on your way and territory, who have presented you and go wherever you want.
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 22 May 2020 20: 14 New
              -5
              Quote: Voyager
              you let go of people who are not on your way and territory

              You don’t need to mix everything together. Let’s say: flies separately, cutlets separately. Let people go wherever they want. And the territorial integrity of any state is inviolable. But you didn’t let the Chechens go along with the territory?
              1. Voyager
                Voyager 22 May 2020 22: 51 New
                0
                Chechens voted in a referendum and expressed a desire to stay in Russia.
                Quote: revnagan
                Let people go wherever they want.

                And people in Crimea have already decided where they want - to Russia. They went there and the whole peninsula ..
                1. revnagan
                  revnagan 23 May 2020 10: 02 New
                  -4
                  Quote: Voyager
                  Chechens voted in referendum

                  on which specifically? They had a lot of referenda. And you won’t vote against the Russian sight specifically.
                  1. Voyager
                    Voyager 23 May 2020 12: 29 New
                    0
                    At a constitutional referendum in 2003, the people of Chechnya wanted to remain part of Russia. The people, not the units of terrorists who wanted independence.

                    And stop talking nonsense about the sights and gun barrel. There are many records and fixations about how the referenda took place in Chechnya and in the Crimea. There is still common sense, which gives a clear answer whether it is possible to force 2 million people to vote at gunpoint.

                    Or do you think that Crimeans are sleeping and see how to return to Ukraine?
                    1. revnagan
                      revnagan 23 May 2020 13: 38 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Voyager
                      At a constitutional referendum in 2003, the people of Chechnya wanted to remain part of Russia. The people, not the units of terrorists who wanted independence.

                      Of course, if there is a contingent of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
                      Quote: Voyager
                      And stop talking nonsense about the sights and gun barrel. There are many records and fixations about how the referenda took place in Chechnya and in the Crimea.

                      Ну да,ну да,что выгодно-снимаем,что не выгодно-"случайным" образом остаётся за кадром good Well, I understand
                      1. Voyager
                        Voyager 23 May 2020 13: 47 New
                        0
                        Quote: revnagan
                        Of course, if there is a contingent of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

                        Once again, how did the contingent of the RF Armed Forces influence the voting process?
                        Quote: revnagan
                        что не выгодно-"случайным" образом остаётся за кадром

                        What remains behind the scenes?
                      2. revnagan
                        revnagan 24 May 2020 10: 05 New
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                        Quote: Voyager
                        Once again, how did the contingent of the RF Armed Forces influence the voting process?

                        Do you really don’t understand? Is it your birthright, or did you graduate from any special courses? Take all the Russian security officials out of Chechnya, or the Crimea there, and see.
                        Quote: Voyager
                        What remains behind the scenes?

                        You left behind the scenes, you know better.
                      3. Voyager
                        Voyager 24 May 2020 20: 05 New
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                        Quote: revnagan
                        You left behind the scenes, you know better.

                        Go there, I don’t know where and do it, I don’t know what - this is about you laughing You say specifically what and where left behind the scenes and prove it, or do not engage in verbiage.
                        Quote: revnagan
                        Do you really don’t understand? Is it inborn for you, or did you graduate from any special courses?

                        So you speak directly and answer the questions posed, do not spin too much.
                        I ask again: how did the contingent of the armed forces affect the election results?


                        Naturally, it is more visible: what Crimeans always wanted to go to Russia is clear and has been known for a very long time. What they wanted, they got it, the vast majority are pretty happy. Chechens are also not seen in separatist sentiments. Unless in your head you can see laughing
                      4. revnagan
                        revnagan 25 May 2020 20: 05 New
                        -4
                        Well, I turned out to be truly innate.
                        Quote: Voyager
                        So you speak directly and answer the questions posed, do not spin too much.

                        I answer directly to the question posed - the presence of the RF Armed Forces in the Crimea directly affected the fact that 102 percent of its residents wanted to join Russia (as in Chechnya) as a force factor. Fighters everywhere, even close to civilians and children. that there are no extras in the frame, an experienced operator knows how to shoot correctly. If in Chechnya you find Russian security officers instead of Russian and Ukrainian in Crimea instead of Russian, the referendum will be 102% for secession from Russia. Or doubt?
                        laughing Chechens are also not seen in the separatist moods. Unless in your head you can see laughing
                        Certainly not noticed, I swear by several Chechen wars of the 90s and the tribute that Russia pays the Caucasus laughing .

                      5. Voyager
                        Voyager 25 May 2020 20: 40 New
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                        Quote: revnagan
                        The presence of the RF Armed Forces in the territory of Crimea directly affected the fact that 102 percent of its inhabitants wanted to join Russia (as in Chechnya), as a force factor.

                        An interesting story, and now the facts and evidence in the studio, that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in this way influenced these elections. Forward. Clearly state how the force was used to drive 2 million mostly Russian people in the voting booths and to force to put the necessary tick. At the same time, tell me how my grandmother and relatives were forced to do this, so I laughed laughing

                        Or, I repeat the question, do you think that Crimeans are sleeping and seeing how to return to your wonderful state? laughing

                        Quote: revnagan
                        and in Crimea, instead of Russian-Ukrainian, the referendum will be 102% for secession from Russia. Or are you in doubt?

                        There can be no doubt whatsoever: if the Ukrainian security forces in Crimea were in such a referendum, a lot of blood would have been shed in Crimea, especially those of the Ukrainian security forces. You don’t even need to run for an example - there is the same Donbass and military operations there because of the sense of impunity of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But in the Crimea there were no and no military operations, and all thanks to the fact that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are there and the APU will not even think to go there. smile

                        Moreover, the lack of any desire for various international monitoring commissions to visit Crimea with the aim of observing the state of residents and the general background, only confirms the fact that everything is good there now)

                        As for Chechnya, this your number will not work - you should clearly distinguish between terrorists and the people of Chechnya, who ultimately voted the way they voted. wink
      2. ANB
        ANB 23 May 2020 17: 14 New
        -1
        . Let people go wherever they want.

        Well, that would go to Poland in 1991.
        Why did the integrity of the USSR be violated?
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 24 May 2020 10: 06 New
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          Quote: ANB
          Why did the integrity of the USSR be violated?

          The integrity of the USSR was first violated by YOU.
  2. ANB
    ANB 22 May 2020 21: 25 New
    0
    . Call me Selyuk, Bander, scum, only I - I do not bother anyone to live.

    Every day, shelling civilians in the Donbass, blocking the water in the Crimea, etc. — are you bothering anyone?
    Separatists should not be indignant if someone decided to leave them.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 23 May 2020 13: 41 New
      -3
      Quote: ANB
      Separatists should not be indignant if someone decided to leave them.

      That is, Russia decided to leave the USSR, then it is a separatist. Then why are you indignant about the departure of Ukraine (which came out AFTER the RSFSR) or, say, Chechnya? You yourself say, you should not be indignant laughing .
      1. ANB
        ANB 23 May 2020 17: 08 New
        +1
        .
        That is, Russia decided to leave the USSR, then it is a separatist. Then why are you outraged about the departure of Ukraine (which came out AFTER the RSFSR) or, say, Chechnya? You yourself say, you should not be outraged laughing.

        I was against Russia's exit from the USSR. Therefore, I have every right to be indignant about Ukraine and Russia.
        Do you think that Ukraine withdrew from the USSR lawfully and fairly? Then, just as legally and fairly, they have the right to exit from Ukraine any of its parts.
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 24 May 2020 10: 12 New
          -2
          Quote: ANB
          Do you think that Ukraine withdrew from the USSR lawfully and fairly?

          Ukraine left the USSR AFTER Russia. And I was against the collapse of the USSR. And 83% of Ukrainians were against it. But Russia left. So is Ukraine legal and fair after the USSR AFTER Russia?
          Quote: ANB
          Then, just as legally and fairly, they have the right to exit from Ukraine any of its parts.

          Не вижу никакой логики.Вот если бы на Украине начался "парад суверенитетов" областей,и Киев с областью вышли из состава Украины,тогда да.Или России следовало признать суверенитет Чечни,которая,
          Quote: ANB
          legally and fairly have the right to exit
          following your logic request .
          1. ANB
            ANB 24 May 2020 13: 00 New
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            . Ukraine left the USSR AFTER Russia.

            The adoption of the law on the priority of local legislation over the Union does not mean withdrawal from the Union. Although yes, it greatly contributes to its collapse. But the Union collapsed into 91 four traitors. Moreover, our drunk even lacked time to agree on the borders and territories. And Gorbachev, instead of giving the command to arrest everyone, quietly merged. And gkchp was some theatrical.
            Actually, if Bandera’s power had not taken power in Ukraine, I would have stood up for it first.
            And it’s not clear that you have a Kozhedub hero, and I lived on Kozhedub Street. And now she is also called.
            But in today's Ukraine is no longer the case. And who are you protecting? It turns out that now the real Ukrainians live in the Donbass and in the Crimea.
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 25 May 2020 20: 18 New
              -2
              Quote: ANB
              It turns out that now the real Ukrainians live in the Donbass and in the Crimea.

              Real Ukrainians live a lot where. They wish their camp well and work for its good. And it turns out that if someone does not want the good of Russia, does not want to be its vassal again, that Bandera, terrorist, American bedding. They want to go to Donbass RF-yeah, they are REAL Ukrainians. But I do not want to go to Russia. In the USSR, yes, I would love to return. So all the territorial losses of Ukraine are bad for me. Globally bad. Everyone who inflicted them on Ukraine is an enemy, and should be punished. Although this is America, even Russia. Although corrupt Ukrainian politicians.
              1. ANB
                ANB 26 May 2020 01: 08 New
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                . And it turns out that if someone doesn’t want the good of Russia, doesn’t want to be her vassal again, that Bandera man, terrorist, American litter

                Crossing everything. Where did I write about the good of Russia?
                It is clearly written, whose hero is not Kozhedub, but Bandera, that’s just everything you wrote.
                And it so happened that it was Donbass and Crimea for Kozhedub. And the rest of Ukraine is either for Bandera or, like you, quietly whisper in the kitchen and blame Russia for everything.
          2. ANB
            ANB 24 May 2020 13: 18 New
            0
            . The commander of the 503 Separate Marine Battalion, Vadim Sukharevsky, who hung in his office a portrait of Hitler’s favorite Otto Skorzeny,

            You are defending just such a Ukraine. And it was from this that Crimea and the Donbass left. And this is exactly what kills people in the Donbass.
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 25 May 2020 20: 25 New
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              Quote: ANB
              You are defending just such a Ukraine.

              It’s not true, I’m ashamed of such a Ukraine. But it will not be so always. And Russia, recognizing this Ukraine, does not fight with it, but cooperates by selling goods and raw materials (the same fuel and lubricants), but at the same time supports and encourages the split of the territory, to pick up the neighbors who had broken off from trouble and pocket them. He also comes up with specious pretexts to support the population in the fight against the Nazis. And they themselves recognized these Nazis. It's just amazing treachery. So, when Ukraine gets rid of the Nazis, the territory she’ll come in handy herself. And the fewer they fall into the tenacious clutches of an unprincipled neighbor, the better for Ukraine.
              1. ANB
                ANB 26 May 2020 01: 15 New
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                . So, when Ukraine expands from the Nazis, the territories will come in handy for itself.

                So Putin told you in plain text (and this is recorded in Minsk) - remove Bandera from power, declare them criminals, and Donbass will return to Ukraine.
                Although it is no longer a fact that the Donetsk people want this, after so many murders. But it’s up to you to apologize to them.
                But Crimea is everything. Already returned. The fact that Yeltsin swelled in 91m.
              2. revnagan
                revnagan 26 May 2020 09: 26 New
                -2
                Quote: ANB
                But Crimea is everything.

                Nothing lasts forever under the Moon. Moreover, officially the fact of the capture of Crimea by Russia in the world has been officially recognized, but no one has legally recognized Crimea as part of the Russian Federation and will never recognize it. No, I understand you, they captured it - that's all. So you conveniently. But for Ukraine, the loss of territory is bad. It doesn’t suit us, and Ukraine will never admit it. We’ll wait in the wings. And I don’t have anything to apologize to the Donetsk people. to do with them. I don’t feel guilty about anything. Yes, Donetsk is not Israel, and Ukraine is not Germany.
              3. ANB
                ANB 26 May 2020 22: 43 New
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                . This does not suit us, and Ukraine will never recognize this.

                So you can wait not for the weakening of Russia, but the recognition of Crimea by the Russian next president of Ukraine.
                You have already been shown that in Ukraine, the president can promise one thing, and fulfill a completely different one. They will cram the next one, he will recognize Crimea in a day and will dump it. What will you do then?
              4. revnagan
                revnagan 27 May 2020 08: 29 New
                -2
                Quote: ANB
                recognition of Crimea by the Russian next president of Ukraine.

                Well, firstly, he is the president, not a kamikaze. Secondly, the Verkhovna Zrada must ratify this decision (this is not for you in the Russian Federation),
                Quote: ANB
                he recognizes the Crimea in a day and dumps.

                But where will he go after that? He will run to the plane, his own guard will hang. Yes, and Rostov is not rubber laughing .К тому же-смотрите выше. Верховна Зрада,референдум по всей Украине...Нет,шансов на признание Крыма российским у вас нет.На Украине говорят:"Дурэнь думкою багатие".Так что можете и не мылиться-воды не будет laughing .
              5. ANB
                ANB 27 May 2020 09: 10 New
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                . He doesn’t run to the plane, his own guard will hang

                When properly organized, it will both run and not hang. Security can also be your own.
                Putin has completed the minimum program for Ukraine today. And she was not at all in the spin of the territory. OEMK, for example, is now plowing in full, and in 2013 they introduced a shortened day.
              6. revnagan
                revnagan 27 May 2020 09: 17 New
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                Quote: ANB
                When properly organized, it will both run and not hang.

                laughing Кто ж ей будет заниматься,"правильной" организацией?И кто даст заниматься "правильной" организацией пророссийской идеи на территории Украины за счёт Украины?И самое главное-кто согласится провести антиукраинскую акцию в пользу России с официальной передачей украинской территории?Да ещё и на территории Украины?Это ж сразу приговор.И хорошо, если только как политику.К тому же,повторюсь,у Президента Украины нет таких диктаторских полномочий,как у российского. "Зрада " не ратифицировала - и Усё request laughing .
              7. ANB
                ANB 27 May 2020 11: 47 New
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                . Зрада " не ратифицировала

                So enough public statement. Who needs ratification if the transfer has already taken place?
              8. revnagan
                revnagan 27 May 2020 12: 32 New
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                Quote: ANB
                So enough public statement.

                Послушайте,спор приобретает оттенок детского на тему "чей папа сильнее".Отвечаю в последний раз,и закончим на этом.Публичного заявления Президента не достаточно.Президент-не царь(как в РФ).Это так не работает.На вопрос-кому нужна ратификация вообще смысла отвечать не вижу,он детский.Есть процедура подписания подобных документов.Вот "Бухарестский меморандум" Россия не ратифицировала,и всё,исполнять не нужно.Так будет и с гипотетическим заявлением президента Украины.Это один из элементов "защиты от ду.ра.ка",чтобы правители-самодуры не раздаривались спьяну "Кемскими волостями".И если такие простые истины нужно объяснять вам...о чём тогда говорить.Президент,даже захваченный террористами не сможет ничего ни обещать им,ни отдать.Вот для чего это сделано(утрирую).На этом позвольте откланяться,беспредметный спор и ваши неуклюжие попытки доказать легитимность захвата чужих территорий под логом "нам оно нужнее" изрядно утомили.Крым же никогда не стане официальной российской территорией со всеми вытекающими для его жителей и РФ последствиями.
              9. ANB
                ANB 27 May 2020 12: 41 New
                0
                . .Krym never become official Russian territory with all the consequences for its residents and the Russian Federation

                So Crimea is already officially Russian territory with all the ensuing consequences.
              10. revnagan
                revnagan 27 May 2020 19: 42 New
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                Quote: ANB
                Crimea is already officially Russian territory

                Официально ЗАХВАЧЕННАЯ,но НИКЕМ В МИРЕ НЕ ПРИЗНАННАЯ российской территория(про "признание" вашими лакеями типа Ю.Осетии,которая сама никем не признана,можете не упоминать).
                Quote: ANB
                with all the ensuing consequences.

                Well, if the sanctions are not enough, and they did not affect the economy of the Russian Federation in any way. Plus, nobody needs Crimean products, Crimean diplomas are not quoted anywhere, etc. etc ... In general, go ahead.
              11. ANB
                ANB 27 May 2020 22: 43 New
                0
                . Plus, Crimean products are not needed by anyone, Crimean diplomas are not quoted anywhere, etc. and so on

                In Ukraine, yes. Not needed and not quoted.
                I have a friend from Feodosia. He himself moved to Moscow under the Ukrainian Crimea. But his father is happy as a hippo.
                We opened a plant in Primorsky, orders went. Planting vineyards, building roads. Full of work, and normal work, and not sitting in the market or in a shaman. I personally buy Crimean oysters in the store, if I have time. Since they disassemble quickly. Was in Crimea in 2008, 2009 and last year. Just drove to familiar places. The difference is very noticeable.
              12. ANB
                ANB 28 May 2020 00: 16 New
                0
                . In Russia, a contract was signed for the construction of two landing ships of domestic production - analogues of French ships. Work in the near future will begin at the Zaliv shipyard in Crimean Kerch.
  3. ANB
    ANB 26 May 2020 01: 17 New
    0
    . Having recognized ETU Ukraine, Russia does not fight with it, but cooperates by selling goods and raw materials (the same fuels and lubricants

    Read the comments on this site. Almost 100 percent are outraged by this.
  • Voyager
    Voyager 22 May 2020 12: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    That we took Crimea, that all of Ukraine, the consequences would be the same now.

    Due to the lives of our military? Was it necessary to fully deploy troops and begin a massive shed of blood? We were afraid of this and for a reason.
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  • Ded_Mazay
    Ded_Mazay 22 May 2020 12: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    That we took Crimea, that all of Ukraine, the consequences would be the same now

    Глубокомысленно... Интересно, а вопрос "за чей счет банкет", при написании рассматривался?
  • Stepych
    Stepych 22 May 2020 09: 07 New
    -1
    Quote: u123uuu
    Putin is a cool strategist, but alas it seems that war or harsh decisions in that spirit is not his.

    I do not agree.
    For 20 years of rule, it would be possible to bring the country out of the oil and gas needle. Instead, they continued to stupidly sell oil and gas without developing light industry and consumer goods. As a strategist, in the first place, he would set such a task so that there is independence from external supplies.
    Потом "оптимизация" системы здравоохранения привело к тому что по стране свирепствует коронавирус. На местах не хватает специалистов, и приходится привлекать студентов медиков.
    A mess in the healthcare system.
    So this is most likely a failure
  • New Year day
    New Year day 22 May 2020 09: 36 New
    +5
    Quote: u123uuu
    Putin is a cool strategist

    judging by the result in Ukraine- yes laughing
    Quote: u123uuu
    war or harsh decisions in that spirit is not his.

    and Munich speech, at least, doesn’t count?
  • revnagan
    revnagan 22 May 2020 08: 33 New
    -14
    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    We left all the rest in Ukraine.

    100% true.
    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    And they are not enough.

    Now it’s much less. And precisely because
    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    We left all the rest in Ukraine.

    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    And this is just our land.

    No, this is our land, and the Russian Federation has nothing to do with my land.
    1. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 22 May 2020 08: 36 New
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      Quote: revnagan
      No, this is our land, and the Russian Federation has nothing to do with my land.

      Excuse me, what language do you think?
      Less to you is not mine. Note)
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 22 May 2020 08: 47 New
        -10
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        Excuse me, what language do you think?

        In Russian. Not Russian, but in Russian. As the Austrians think in German. And the Swiss. And the Belgians.
        1. Alexey Sommer
          Alexey Sommer 22 May 2020 08: 49 New
          +2
          Yes .. And you live, you are like a Belgian?
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 22 May 2020 18: 25 New
            -5
            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            Do you live like a Belgian?

            As a citizen of Ukraine. Approximately, as an average Russian.
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 22 May 2020 08: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: revnagan
      No, this is our land, and the Russian Federation has nothing to do with my land

      Вся вся? Ну так и любите ее, и сохраняйте, и землю, и народ...и страну... А то грабите ее безбожно, а самый успешный экспорт у вас - экспорт "заробитчан"... Сколько людей на родине то осталось? И сколько останется через 10 лет?
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 22 May 2020 08: 52 New
        -10
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        All all? Well, love her, and save, and the land, and the people ... and the country ...

        I do what I can to save. And the land and the people. But some nimble neighbors strive to chop off a piece for themselves, taking advantage of the scum that got into our power, and there is trouble in the country. Only my humble forces are barely enough to fulfill their duties hi .
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        А то грабите ее безбожно, а самый успешный экспорт у вас - экспорт "заробитчан"...

        Oh, you shamelessly flatter me repeat .
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        How many people are left at home? And how much will remain in 10 years?

        Yes, this is bad. But you have the same thing. So why should I change my idea? Yes, the Russians are not allowed into the European Union, and you would have such a shameful thing as zarobitchans.
        1. ANB
          ANB 22 May 2020 15: 22 New
          -1
          . But some nimble neighbors strive to chop off a piece for themselves, taking advantage of the fact that scum got into our power, and the country is in trouble.

          Debt by payment is red.
          Сначала одни шустрые соседи оттяпали себе кусочек (и не маленький такой) в 1991. А когда пошла обратка, то теперь воют "а нас за шо?". Звиняйте, сейчас капитализм и ЧЧВ.
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 22 May 2020 18: 24 New
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            Quote: ANB
            At first, some nimble neighbors chopped off a piece (and not a small one) in 1991.

            No one chopped off anything in 1991. Everything was allowed kindly, honestly, within the framework of international law.
            Quote: ANB
            Excuse me, now capitalism and FWM.

            Nothing, God will forgive. We will wait ...
            1. ANB
              ANB 22 May 2020 21: 16 New
              -1
              . No one chopped off anything in 1991. Everything was allowed kindly, honestly, within the framework of international law.

              So how did you not chop off?
              Taking advantage of the fact that in the USSR the president was a traitor Gorbachev, and in the RSFSR drunk Yeltsin, they completely brazenly and illegally left the Union. Bringing Crimea, Donbass and New Russia with them.
              И теперь ссылаетесь на мифические "международное законодательство".
              Well, now wait. True, what are you going to wait for?
              1. revnagan
                revnagan 23 May 2020 10: 13 New
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                Quote: ANB
                Taking advantage of the fact that in the USSR the president was a traitor Gorbachev, and in the RSFSR drunk Yeltsin, they completely brazenly and illegally left the Union.

                Why so impudently, shamelessly and shamelessly lie? The first of the Union left the RSFSR on June 12, 1990.
                "Декларация о государственном суверенитете РСФСР — политико-правовой акт, ознаменовавший начало конституционной реформы и провозглашение государственного суверенитета РСФСР.
                The declaration was adopted in the course of a difficult political struggle by the First Congress of People's Deputies of the RSFSR on June 12, 1990. Voting results: 907 for, 13 against, 9 abstained [1] [2].
                In addition to the proclamation of the sovereignty of the RSFSR and the intention to create a new democratic rule of law within the renewed Union of the SSR, the declaration also stated:
                приоритет Конституции и законов РСФСР над законодательными актами СССР;"
                wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_state_ sovereignty of the RSFSR
                Начав лгать вы уже не в состоянии остановиться,и генерируете ложь всё больше и больше."Ты виноват уж тем,что хочется мне кушать!"Не,ребята,на лжи нельзя построить ничего стоящего.Так что у Украины есть все основания(правовые) воспользоваться ослаблением России и вернуть себе своё.Большие дела делаются неспешно.Подождём.
                1. ANB
                  ANB 23 May 2020 11: 38 New
                  -1
                  . No, guys, you can’t build anything worthwhile on a lie. So Ukraine has every reason (legal) to take advantage of Russia's weakening and regain its own. Great things are being done slowly. Let's wait.

                  In 1990, the USSR itself still existed. And Yeltsin is also a separatist. I honestly wrote that Gorbachev and Yeltsin are traitors who drove the country to f. Ukraine brazenly took advantage of this.
                  Now Ukraine has fallen into the same position as Russia in the 90s.
                  And Russia also took advantage. And less arrogant, since only Crimea took.
                  And you wait there for yourself. By the way, what exactly are you waiting for? Hedgehogs we have eaten all of them, the economy to shreds, the bottom has broken. Already, growth is beginning. So you have to wait next time.
                  1. revnagan
                    revnagan 23 May 2020 13: 45 New
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                    Quote: ANB
                    Ukraine brazenly took advantage of this.

                    The first took advantage of the Russian Federation.
                    Quote: ANB
                    Hedgehogs we have eaten all of them, the economy to shreds, the bottom has broken.

                    I'm crying right now with compassion.
                    Quote: ANB
                    Already, growth is beginning.

                    Forward.
                    Quote: ANB
                    So you have to wait next time.

                    Though the next. After all, he will come very soon.
                    1. ANB
                      ANB 23 May 2020 17: 09 New
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                      . Though the next. After all, he will come very soon.

                      And what exactly are you waiting for?
                    2. revnagan
                      revnagan 24 May 2020 09: 27 New
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                      Quote: ANB
                      And what exactly are you waiting for?

                      Ah, don’t bother .... You, the great ones, have nothing to fear at all, so doesn’t it matter what we wait.
      2. ANB
        ANB 22 May 2020 21: 21 New
        -1
        . and so you would have such a shameful thing as zarobitchane.

        So it was already. And it ended. How many salaries do Europeans offer? Maydauns dreamed of 1000 euros, and in Russia it was the average salary. And is it worth the Russians to go to Poland?
        And who told you such nonsense that Russian citizens are not allowed abroad?
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 23 May 2020 10: 17 New
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          Quote: ANB
          And who told you such nonsense that Russian citizens are not allowed abroad?

          They let me in, of course. You are just trying to pervert and defame the meaning of what I said above. But here, as Ukrainians, they are not taken that way. And about 1000 euros, salaries in the Russian Federation do not have to lie. 10-15-18 tyr. in the territory of Zamkadia is a normal RFov s / n.
          1. ANB
            ANB 23 May 2020 11: 52 New
            -1
            . They let me in, of course. You are just trying to pervert and defame the meaning of what I said above. But here, as Ukrainians, they are not taken that way. And about 1000 euros, salaries in the Russian Federation do not have to lie. 10-15-18 tyr. in the territory of Zamkadia is a normal RFov s / n.
            Reply


            Well, where am I misinterpreting your words. Now you agree that the Russians are allowed abroad.
            We clarify about the work. Ukrainians get jobs, mostly illegally and in low-skilled jobs.
            Officially and for a normal salary, I think that they take about the same. Till. Although not a fact, I do not own statistics.
            But to go koryachitsya in Poland for a penny, I definitely do not make sense.
            Salary of the seller in 5ke 30-50 thousand. It is less than 1000 euros. But this is the position of the seller. Men in working positions get more.
            In the 90s, yes, they also drove en masse to work over the hill. Now the departure has greatly decreased, as it is unprofitable.
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 24 May 2020 09: 36 New
              -1
              Quote: ANB
              Now you agree that the Russians are allowed abroad.

              You might think that I did not agree with this, but you convinced me of the opposite.
              Quote: ANB
              We clarify about the work.

              We clarify about work, where? In the Russian Federation or the European Union?
              Quote: ANB
              Ukrainians get jobs, mostly illegally and in low-skilled jobs.

              You don’t own the knowledge of the materiel. The fact of the matter is that they go to work, having previously drawn up a contract in Ukraine. Officially. Yes, they work in most of them not in the office, but where the locals don’t go. And the Russians can also pre-contract in the Russian Federation, and for a variety of jobs?
              Quote: ANB
              Salary of the seller in 5ke 30-50 thousand.

              Oh, I’m so happy for you. If that were true, I would have rejoiced even more laughing .
              Quote: ANB
              Now the departure has greatly decreased, as it is unprofitable.

              It’s good that employers are right after the citizens of the Russian Federation. They grab from hand, offering 50 ty. for simple easy work, and citizens proudly turn away, not agreeing to work for such a penny. Finally, luck turned to face the Russians and you have built a society of universal social justice good !
              1. ANB
                ANB 24 May 2020 12: 45 New
                +1
                . offering 50 sput. for simple easy work, and citizens proudly turn away, not agreeing to work for such a penny.

                There was no question of simple and easy work. But in Europe this is exactly what they are offering?
                In the 90s, and we had such offices.
                Now they are not visible. Share it somewhere.
                At my work place, if I find an intelligent specialist to work for us, then I’m supposed to get a bonus of 30 thousand. And, damn it, I just got it. And work is easier than picking strawberries. True, it is not much easier.
                And look at haha ​​ru.
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    3. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 22 May 2020 08: 53 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      у вас - экспорт "заробитчан"... Сколько людей на родине то осталось? И сколько останется через 10 лет?

      I don’t get it. Explain more detailed please.
    4. major147
      major147 22 May 2020 10: 47 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      а самый успешный экспорт у вас - экспорт "заробитчан"...

      You underestimate them. More babies are successfully selling!
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 22 May 2020 09: 02 New
    +6
    Quote: revnagan
    No, this is our land, and the Russian Federation has nothing to do with my land.

    А кто на вашу землю то претендует ? На сколько верно пишут ваши СМИ, то россиянам землю вы продавать не будете, а только американцам и гейропейцам. Это вы всё время находите поводы чтобы что то "отжать" от России, но не Россия от вас. Крым и Донбас смогли оторваться от окраины. Вы хоть когда последний раз в зеркало смотрелись ?
    And you write 100% of the truth that Russia left you. Have you ever looked at the data whom you threw, and for what? Maybe Russia needs 70% of the pro-Bandera Nazi population that has already blown up all of Ukraine. Live on your land, Russia does not need it, but what you got from Russia will have to be returned, because we are now on opposite sides of the barricades. Ours is ours, and yours is yours.
    1. major147
      major147 22 May 2020 10: 52 New
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      Quote: tihonmarine
      And you write 100% of the truth that Russia left you.

      А чего ж они не вышли на майдан, когда им из утюгов и кофемолок дули в уши - "Украина - не Россия"! Они только радостно повизгивали от мысли, что избавились от "ленивого и вечно пьяного "старшего брата", которого они кормят". Не видал я протестов кроме как в Крыму.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 22 May 2020 11: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: major147
        Они только радостно повизгивали от мысли, что избавились от "ленивого и вечно пьяного "старшего брата", которого они кормят".

        Because they were 93% of these screeching with joy, so they do not need such a Maidan either then or now. Although now they no longer squeal, but squeal.
  • mark2
    mark2 22 May 2020 09: 45 New
    +2
    What's the truth then? The fact that the Ukrainians wanted to live separately, and Russia would have fed them? Did they throw a job to her and so on? And do not dream. Gone so gone. A debt would not be bad to return. Let the Crimea, let Donbas. With a black sheep, even a tuft of wool. It would be better of course with money. But the great agrarian power will remain agrarian. There will never be money from the word.
    1. major147
      major147 22 May 2020 10: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: mark2
      But the great agrarian power will remain agrarian.


      Yes, you flatter them, they buy agricultural products abroad, including and in Russia!
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 22 May 2020 11: 45 New
      -7
      Quote: mark2
      A debt would not be bad to return.

      Well, we have decided on our debts after the collapse of the USSR. Everything. Point. The rest is robbery. However, you can start by returning the squeezed oil production platforms.
      Quote: mark2
      Let the Crimea, let Donbas.

      Bananas. And refined dust. Territories will come in handy when the government becomes sane, so NEVER Ukraine recognizes them as Russian.
  • major147
    major147 22 May 2020 10: 45 New
    +5
    Quote: revnagan
    No, this is our land, and the Russian Federation has nothing to do with my land.

    О как!!!! И когда это наша земля стала "вашей"? Если вам в Союзе разрешили пожить на ней, то от этого она вашей не становится. Это как с комнатой в квартире.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 22 May 2020 11: 49 New
      -7
      Quote: major147
      О как!!!! И когда это наша земля стала "вашей"?

      Hello to you. She was always ours. Here my great-grandfathers were born, lived and protected her. They are buried here. Here I was born, I live and I will protect her. And there is nothing to do for any of the people from the cordon.
      Quote: major147
      If you in the Union were allowed to live on it, then this does not make yours.

      It’s ridiculous. Well, from whom do I need permission to live on my land, is it not from you, but, neighbors? What relation can you, with your RF, have to my property? Jews troll for hutspu, but you yourself are exactly like that same.
      1. major147
        major147 22 May 2020 12: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: revnagan
        Hello to you.

        Земли, на которых вы временно обитаете принадлежали сначала РИ, потом СССР. Они их завоевали, купили и т.п. Вы их отрицаете, типа "жили в оккупации". Как вы жили "в оккупации" на землях вам не принадлежащих? Как негры, которых в США завезли?
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 22 May 2020 20: 23 New
          -4
          Quote: major147
          The lands on which you temporarily inhabit belonged first to RI

          So we all live on this earth temporarily, and RI has long been living in Bose. Like the USSR. So what was conquered was conquered by my ancestors. And bought for the money of my ancestors. For future generations who will live. And the Russians Well, they can’t pretend to be descendants in any way, because everything that was new and alien after 1991. I didn’t live in occupation, my grandfathers freed Europe from the Nazis. They rebuilt the factories that blew up during the evacuation. These are their government bonds. I keep together with their photographs from Budapest, orders and medals, as a memory. So I didn’t live on earth for a minute. Which does not belong to me. It is mine by right. And you, Russian White Guards chauvinists, you can’t even dream about mine the earth.
          1. major147
            major147 22 May 2020 21: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: revnagan
            And you, the Russian White Guard chauvinists, you can not even dream about my land.

            Плохо, что такое понятие как "Правопреемство государств" вам не знакомо. Всё своё заберём!
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 23 May 2020 10: 23 New
              -3
              Quote: major147
              Плохо, что такое понятие как "Правопреемство государств" вам не знакомо.

              Прекрасно знакомо,поэтому Украина,как и Россия,являются наследниками СССР в части,их касающейся.А "своё" вы заберёте "люлями".Ну и навозом.Приходи,лично кучу отвалю.Смотри,не надорвись,когда "своё" уносить будешь с собой,уползая на четвереньках laughing ."Своё" он заберёт...була в собаки хата...
              1. major147
                major147 23 May 2020 12: 04 New
                +1
                therefore, Ukraine, like Russia, are the heirs of the USSR in the part concerning them.

                Debts of the USSR also given?
                С Крыма мы только начали, посмотри на ютюбе как такие как ты "люли" обещали, потом в плену извинялись lol
                1. revnagan
                  revnagan 23 May 2020 13: 54 New
                  -2
                  Quote: major147
                  Debts of the USSR also given?

                  But the assets of the USSR were also divided into all? Parents still have a savings book. Sberbank of the USSR lies, and it has 10 full-fledged Soviet rubles. And 000 from me. Who did you give them to?
                  Quote: major147
                  We just started from Crimea
                  On that and finished.
                  Впрочем кто ж спорит?На "хапок",фактор внезапности,коварство и подлейшее вероломство....С тех пор прошло 6 лет,многое изменилось,в то,что россияне-"братья" уже мало кто верит.А заставить пленных извиняться(причём захваченных врасплох бывшими"братьями") много героизма не надо.
                  1. major147
                    major147 23 May 2020 18: 09 New
                    +1
                    Quote: revnagan
                    And the assets of the USSR also divided into all?

                    How to repay debts - so Russia, how to divide assets - so on everyone! Interesting logic!
                    The book of the Sberbank of the USSR lies, To whom did you give them?

                    They gave you $ 200 million over 20 years! Where have you been?
                    На "хапок",фактор внезапности,коварство и подлейшее вероломство.

                    And Crimeans only rejoiced and welcomed .....
                    многое изменилось,в то,что россияне-"братья" уже мало кто верит.

                    Our brothers in the Crimea and in the Donbass! Bandera is not our brothers.
                    And make the prisoners apologize

                    Да Бог с ними, с извинениями! Но как на камеру обещал "москалей" "и туда, и сюда", но что то не срослось....
                  2. revnagan
                    revnagan 24 May 2020 10: 27 New
                    -2
                    Quote: major147
                    Interesting logic!

                    Not worse than yours: screaming that you gave back your debts for everyone (although, in fact, you didn’t repay them), but the fact that the assets were tidied up FOR EVERYTHING is modestly silent.
                    Quote: major147
                    They gave you $ 200 million over 20 years! Where have you been?

                    А покажите ведомость с моей подписью.Нету?Да 200 чего то там -это не долги отдавали,а верхушку подкупали.Так что можете задать вопрос "куда дели" ростовскому сидельцу.
                    Quote: major147
                    And Crimeans only rejoiced and welcomed .....

                    Yes, if only for health. And now seriously: the only plus of Crimea is that there was no blood, like in the Donbass. That's all. Legally, Crimea remains Ukrainian, and no one will ever recognize him as Russian. And the most interesting thing there is just beginning : there is no water, the winter was snowless, there will be no tourists. There are budget problems in Russia, so it will be difficult to get money in the Crimea. Agricultural products in Crimea are not in demand (far to carry, the price rises, plus, again, watering .. .). So the Russian salaries and pensions of Crimeans will be expensive. A year for n x will be hard, and it's only the beginning.
                    Quote: major147
                    Но как на камеру обещал "москалей" "и туда, и сюда", но что то не срослось....

                    Well, then it’s not a man. He promised, do it. And is it something offensive to you?
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 22 May 2020 08: 41 New
    +6
    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    People are just sorry. We left all the rest in Ukraine.
    And they are not enough.
    And this is just our land.

    At first, everything was sold by Eltsin, and then captured by immigrants from Western Ukraine. There are many of our Soviet people in Ukraine, who are with us in our souls and minds, and as many people who are against us, and even hate with fierce hatred. You can only feel sorry for the first half, but nothing can be done already.
    1. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 22 May 2020 08: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      You can only feel sorry for the first half, but nothing can be done already.

      Everything is possible. It would be a desire and a will.
      1. major147
        major147 22 May 2020 10: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        Quote: tihonmarine
        You can only feel sorry for the first half, but nothing can be done already.

        Everything is possible. It would be a desire and a will.

        Что, опять русскому Ване свою кровь лить, пока Мыкола сало жуёт и придумывает, что ещё от Вани стребовать за "захват его вэликой нэньки"?
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 23 May 2020 10: 27 New
          -3
          Quote: major147
          Что, опять русскому Ване свою кровь лить, пока Мыкола сало жуёт и придумывает, что ещё от Вани стребовать за "захват его вэликой нэньки"?

          Вы под "Мыколой" имеете ввиду Кожедуба?Ковпака?Кирпоноса?Героев Советского Союза-украинцев,которые по количеству награждённых уступают только русским?А,да-да-да,ваш же президент сказал,что "сами справились(бы)",значит,чистая правда good .
          1. major147
            major147 23 May 2020 12: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: revnagan
            Вы под "Мыколой" имеете ввиду Кожедуба?Ковпака?Кирпоноса?Героев Советского Союза-украинцев,которые по количеству награждённых уступают только русским?А,да-да-да,ваш же президент сказал,что "сами справились(бы)",значит,чистая правда

            Вы не трогайте Героев СССР, которые били ваших кумиров - фашистов и бандерву, и памятники которым вы с улюлюканьем теперь сносите. Идите на гей-парад по улице имени Бандеры и не касайтесь из своими кровавыми лапами Героев, вы их продали за "европейские" труселя!
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 23 May 2020 13: 59 New
              -2
              Quote: major147
              who beat your idols - fascists and banderv

              Judging by your comments, these are your idols. My people are standing on the photo as if they were alive. On May 9, I celebrate with them every year.
              Quote: major147
              Go to the gay parade

              Sorry, I don’t go to some events with you.
              Quote: major147
              don't touch out your bloody paws

              In general, by the way. By the way, why is it so angry, a dog-watchdog? Did you miss the spring vaccine against rabies? Did you stop the tail?
              1. major147
                major147 23 May 2020 18: 24 New
                +2
                Quote: revnagan
                Judging by your comments, these are your idols. My people are standing on the photo as if they were alive. On May 9, I celebrate with them every year.

                Beautiful fairy tale! When you destroy the next monument to the heroes of the Second World War, you can tell your own people - laugh.
                Quote: revnagan
                Sorry, I don’t go to some events with you.

                Спешу расстроить укрогейтусовку- в России такой дряни не бывает, но с любопытством слежу за дальнейшим движением Украины по улице имени Бандеры в Европу. Или и улицы такой в столице "незалежной" нет? Кстати, Вы в курсе, что вашу столицу РИ купила у поляков?
                Quote: revnagan
                By the way, why so angry, dog watchdog?

                Well, when the argument ends at Bandera, he goes on to personal insults. Not new.
                Ещё "рабом Путина" меня можно обозвать. Я весь день спать не буду, всю ночь есть не буду, буду "переживать"!
                1. revnagan
                  revnagan 24 May 2020 10: 45 New
                  -3
                  Quote: major147
                  Beautiful fairy tale! When you destroy the next monument to the heroes of the Second World War, you can tell your own people - laugh.

                  Арабы говорят:"тяжёл песок,тяжёл и камень,но тяжелее всего-злоба глупца."Это о вас.А вот памятники Героям ВОВ в моём городе:
                  http://shostka.info/shostkanews/vo-vremya-karantyna-kulturnye-meropryyatyya-v-shostke-prohodyat-vyrtualno-vyrtualnaya-ekskursyya-v-muzej-kozheduba/
                  Well, this is for you to break the template. However, the descendants of the White Guards and Vlasovites, this is not to understand ....
                  Quote: major147
                  there’s no such rubbish in Russia,

                  Yeah, never since Tchaikovsky, ending Moiseev in Russia this was not. laughing Glory to the braces.
                  Quote: major147
                  By the way, are you aware that RI bought your capital from the Poles?

                  In the course. But it’s not clear what side you, the descendants of serfs, feel about the tsar’s purchase. Yes, and now it’s now in the yard-21. And you know that in the 21st century Moscow pays tribute to the Caucasus, like the Tatars in 17m? You were one of the Golden Horde uluses shortly before the purchase of the territory of the then Maloros? And now what? Ulan Bator will require a tribute, give? laughing .
                  Quote: major147
                  Well, when the argument ends at Bandera, he goes on to personal insults. Not new.

                  С бандерой не знаком,так что вам виднее.Что касается оскорблений-вам почему то можно,и это считается с вашей стороны чуть ли не доблестью.А вот как вам той же монетой:"-А нас же ж за шо?!".Ой,где то я уже подобное слышал....Кого то вы мне этим напоминаете-не пойму только кого.Ну прям один в один.
                  Quote: major147
                  Я весь день спать не буду, всю ночь есть не буду, буду "переживать"!

                  Right now, I would like to help you wholeheartedly, but I don’t know how. If I were a cat-valerian, I would suggest drinking, and so ... Well, dig out a bone, gnaw it, or lie down for yourself something (if you stayed), maybe let it go.
                  1. major147
                    major147 24 May 2020 18: 12 New
                    0
                    Quote: revnagan
                    maybe let it go.

                    Well, based on the totality of your posts, I can state a complete lack of mental function, the main reason for which is the systematic long jumps from the pan on the head.
      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 22 May 2020 11: 21 New
        0
        It would be the people’s desire and will, enough to feed them a tit.
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 22 May 2020 08: 55 New
      -9
      Quote: tihonmarine
      There are many of our Soviet people in Ukraine, who are with us in our hearts and minds,

      Not with you (as with Russia), but with you, just like with the USSR. Well, since the difference between the USSR and the modern RF is approximately the same as between a simple chair and an electric one, it’s not with you.
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    1. major147
      major147 22 May 2020 11: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Russia has not left anyone. These are Ukrainians

      Подпишусь под каждым Вашим словом! Но по мнению не наших братьев, как всегда "во всём виновата Россия"!
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 22 May 2020 11: 23 New
      +2
      Something went wrong with the former slave with independence, he immediately ran to look for new masters, this slave cannot be without masters ...
    3. Maverick78
      Maverick78 22 May 2020 12: 37 New
      +2
      The storyteller ... at the time of the collapse of the Union, no more than 15 percent negatively related to Russia ...
  • Vend
    Vend 22 May 2020 09: 46 New
    +2
    Well it is. They themselves are to blame.
    1. major147
      major147 22 May 2020 11: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: Wend
      Well it is. They themselves are to blame.

      Что Вы!? Они то по их старой традиции "не в чём не виноватые"!
      1. Vend
        Vend 22 May 2020 16: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: major147
        Quote: Wend
        Well it is. They themselves are to blame.

        Что Вы!? Они то по их старой традиции "не в чём не виноватые"!

        But you never know what they’ll invent for themselves)
  • 4ekist
    4ekist 22 May 2020 10: 12 New
    -1
    That is our land.
  • Maverick78
    Maverick78 22 May 2020 12: 29 New
    -1
    Believe me, you had no other option.
  • demo
    demo 23 May 2020 18: 17 New
    0
    And the most obscene thing is that our leadership has stepped over and recognized the coup.
    Then she began to communicate with the putschists.
    And now it’s impossible to wash off of it.
    Now, if they would say to the UN or where else:
    "Майдан - это незаконное свержение всенародно выбранного президента. Мы не признаем пришедшую власть.
    Во избежания кровопролития вводим свои войска на территорию заселенную этническими русскими, и являющуюся исконно русской землей".
    Then then, Nebenzya could be taught to live Polish-French-German Germans.
    And now it’s not worth it.
  • andr327
    andr327 22 May 2020 08: 08 New
    +4
    Они этого слышать не хотят, поэтому и не слышат. Да и команды "вытаскивать беруши" из Вашингтона не было.
  • svp67
    svp67 22 May 2020 08: 12 New
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    Well, where does France climb with its claims against us in relation to Crimea ... maybe it’s enough for us to remain silent and not recognize Mayotte as its member?
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 22 May 2020 08: 19 New
      +3
      А что это даст? Ну, мы не признаем, Венесуэла, Куба, Армения.... Можем даже санкции наложить. Что это даст? Как это ударит по той же Франции? Они оттуда свои банки выведут или "эирфранс" с остальными мировыми авиалиниям перестанут летать?
      1. svp67
        svp67 22 May 2020 08: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        And what will it give?

        Пока чистый намек...Мы незнаем, как оно повернется все завтра, может и Франция окажется неугодна "мировому сообществу"
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 22 May 2020 08: 30 New
          -1
          Это вряд ли... Нет, все бывает, но Французы не третьеразрядная страна и, уверен, проворачивая свои колониальные делишки, она советуется с "клубом джентльменов" - не ущемляются ли чьи ни будь интересы? А наш повелитель стерхов возомнил, что он поднялся выше птиц и решил оригинально, но по своему провернуть. Вроде и вышло, но коряво как то....
          1. svp67
            svp67 22 May 2020 08: 45 New
            +3
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            It seems to have happened, but clumsily somehow ....

            Once you can’t stop halfway ... you always need to finish things right away
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 May 2020 09: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67

      Well, where does France climb with its claims against us in relation to Crimea ... maybe it’s enough for us to remain silent and not recognize Mayotte as its member?

      You may not recognize the entire zone of influence of the CFA, where France creates the economic and military genocide of the African population.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 22 May 2020 08: 27 New
    +5
    Vasily Nebenzya reminded the interlocutors of how it all began.

    Не, не вспомнят, не поймут .... пока шо-то грозное, аргументированное им к "носу" не поднести! Вот тогда у них и нюх сразу появится и память "проснётся"!
    1. cniza
      cniza 22 May 2020 08: 58 New
      +7
      Interrogated, it will be so ... hi
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 22 May 2020 09: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: cniza
        Interrogated, it will be so ... hi

        I agree. It's time to finish - harness ...
        1. major147
          major147 22 May 2020 11: 07 New
          0
          Quote: Terenin
          Quote: cniza
          Interrogated, it will be so ... hi

          I agree. It's time to finish - harness ...

          Я думаю, что запрягать нужно "по готовности". "Дураку пол-дела не показывают"! Когда "аргументы" будут полностью готовы, тогда их и нужно подносить "к носу" потребителя!
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 22 May 2020 10: 23 New
        0
        Honestly ... I just fantasized, did not even dream.
        It is bad that our desires do not correspond to our reality and possibilities.
        We need many changes in the country, we have got a Schaub, and we must bring in those who will do it.
  • Masha
    Masha 22 May 2020 08: 29 New
    +8
    Crimea is Russia! And this is a fait accompli! And who is there that sounds ... on the drum ....
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 May 2020 09: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: Masha
      Crimea is Russia! And this is a fait accompli! And who is there that sounds ... on the drum.

      Да уже 6 лет прошло, и все согласны, что это Россия. Это только у членистоногих, Крым до сих пор якобы незалежная, а Крым то уже для неё как "мимо рота носят чачу, мимо носа алычу", пролетел как тазик над баней. Всё со свистом с окраины улетает, а они всё скачут и скачут, как загнанные лошади опустив шоры на глаза, и ничего не замечают.....
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 22 May 2020 09: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        and everyone agrees that this is Russia.

        .. and even Ukraine! BUT the theme of Crimea is very convenient for the Ukrainian government - you can exaggerate it, chew it, spit it out and chew it again, since this is relevant and a simple Ukrainian will not ask the authorities about education, healthcare, and living standards. Again, those who are offended love and little by little they throw up some money.
        because
        Quote: tihonmarine
        they all gallop and gallop, like driven horses dropping their blinders over their eyes, and noticing anything .....

        because it’s so convenient and even beneficial, but ... not for everyone
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 22 May 2020 09: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: Silvestr
          BUT the theme of Crimea for the Ukrainian government is very convenient - you can exaggerate it, chew, spit it out and chew again

          А о чём им больше то языком чесать. Неужели они будут муссировать и кричать, что от них убежали и Крым и Донбас, или что они уже и свои земли пустили "с молотка".
      2. major147
        major147 22 May 2020 11: 10 New
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        and do not notice anything .....

        Перед ними Крымом и Донбассом "машут", что бы глаза не отводили пока деребанят остатки "незалежной"!
      3. revnagan
        revnagan 22 May 2020 11: 54 New
        -7
        Quote: tihonmarine
        all agree that this is Russia.

        All this is who? Your lackeys who live at your expense and do not even have the international status of a state (such as South Ossetia) laughing ?
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  • prior
    prior 22 May 2020 08: 32 New
    +1
    Небензе следовало бы высказать благодарность украинским "скакуасам" и их европейским режиссёрам.
    Without their active help, Crimea would have remained Ukrainian.
    And now - our Crimea.
    Continue to ride Svidomo, and there you watch and the rest of Ukraine will return to its native harbor.
    1. vavilon
      vavilon 22 May 2020 09: 19 New
      -1
      What do you think means "ours"? But the Ukrainian people are not ours or something that was left to their own devices?
      These are our people and we theirs, it must be understood in our heads and not to separate what it is we and it is they
      1. prior
        prior 22 May 2020 09: 50 New
        +3
        In America, darkness is the people of Russia. Whose will they be? Ours or theirs?
        In fascist Germany, a mass of soldiers were workers and sympathized with the USSR. Whose are they?
        Vlasov, Krasnov, Kolchak Russians. Whose are they?
        While the Ukrainian people are not with us, they are not ours. For the most part, if not Bandera, then a hatskraynik.
        Термин "небратья" не в России появился.
        1. vavilon
          vavilon 22 May 2020 11: 37 New
          0
          I don’t understand your answer to my comment, but I’ll try to answer your arguments,
          Well, firstly, the United States is a country of immigrants there, all the strangers and who went there, he decided for himself where he should live and don’t need to confuse America with Ukraine. Ukraine has always been the same Russia and people are the same Russians as we are,
          Well, Vlasov and others like him are also ours, even though they are bastards, but they are our bastards as they say in the family
          And you need to understand one thing that Bandera is not a people is not a nation is an ideology
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 22 May 2020 11: 58 New
            -6
            Quote: vavilon
            Ukraine has always been the same Russia

            Was.
            Quote: vavilon
            people are the same Russians as we are

            А вот тут-шалишь.Русские,да,нас тут полно.Советские-тоже да,согласен.Россияне?Нет уж,увольте.Менять петлюровскую Украину на белогвардейскую Россию это менять шило на мыло.Никаких "россиян" тут нет и не будет.
            1. vavilon
              vavilon 22 May 2020 12: 18 New
              -1
              And who are you at the summit?
              Who do you think you are?
              1. revnagan
                revnagan 22 May 2020 12: 29 New
                -6
                Quote: vavilon
                you summit

                Какого "саммита"?
                Quote: vavilon
                Who do you think you are?

                A citizen of Ukraine (I would like the USSR, but alas ...) by ethnicity-Russian. I do not want to in the Russian Federation. Explain why?
                1. vavilon
                  vavilon 22 May 2020 12: 42 New
                  0
                  Try to explain, trying to understand you
                  1. revnagan
                    revnagan 22 May 2020 13: 09 New
                    -5
                    Quote: vavilon
                    Try to explain

                    Пробую.Сейчас Россия ничем не лучше Украины.Всё покупается и продаётся.Власть принадлежит кучке олигархов.Справедливости,такой как в СССР и близко нет.Россия захватывает чужие территории по праву сильного,но в отношении себя,любимой,это право признавать отказывается.Россия легко отказывается от своих слов,гарантий,обещаний под надуманными предлогами.Российская власть врёт и петляет.Крым то нужен был не потому,что там живут русские,а как стратегически важная территория.Появилась возможность,ослабела Украина,и РФ отжала Крым не взирая на свои гарантии.А всему миру льют в уши чушь."Ты виноват уж тем,что хочется мне кушать",ага.Основное,что мне не нравится-несправедливость.Нет,на Украине дело обстоит со справедливостью не лучше, а скажем-точно так же.Россия-далеко не СССР,она стала точно такой же кап.страной,как и остальные,и живёт по принципу разбойников из сказки"Мы пограбим-хорошо,нас пограбят-плохо".Плюс постоянный ,всё разбухающий шовинизм"Мы вас кормили,всё ваше-наше,да у вас и языка то нет..." и прочая нацистская лабуда.Поэтому РФ ничем не лучше Украины.Украина-мой дом,моя малая Родина.Её ограбили под благовидным предлогом,и придерживаясь принципов "разделяй и властвуй" планируют грабить в дальнейшем.Вас удивляет,что я против?
                    1. vavilon
                      vavilon 22 May 2020 13: 32 New
                      0
                      Of course, I agree with many of your comments, and I adhere to the same point of view, well, I have one BUT!
                      The problem is that today Ukraine uses other forces that are now in power, they do not need Ukraine, Ukraine for them is a way to earn money and they rely on world financial institutions that will absorb Ukraine, and its people will become homeless on their own land and from Ukraine one name will remain
                      As for Russia, I agree with you, but this is not the way of struggle that is happening in Ukraine now
                      First you need to clean up your house in Kiev and then you can already talk with Russia
                      And so we will always be scapegoats in someone’s hands
                      As for me we are one people that Russia Belarus Ukraine, it is politicians who made us all enemies and pushed our heads together
                      1. revnagan
                        revnagan 22 May 2020 13: 47 New
                        -4
                        Quote: vavilon
                        they do not need Ukraine

                        They need Ukraine, like Russia, for their own purposes. Russia is angry because it has lost influence in Ukraine, and capitalist Russia is just as ready to swallow Ukraine with all the consequences.
                        Quote: vavilon
                        As for Russia, I agree with you, but this is not the way of struggle that is happening in Ukraine now

                        And there is no other way to fight. What can you do if Natsik became the most ardent fighters for the territorial integrity of Ukraine request .
                        Quote: vavilon
                        First you need to clean up your house in Kiev and then you can already talk with Russia

                        Внешним силам ни на Западе, ни на Востоке это не нужно.Ведь так удобно творить свои делишки под лозунгом "борьбы с нацистами" или с "восточной угрозой".Поэтому выход один-заставить захватчиков платить непомерную цену.
                        Quote: vavilon
                        As for me, we are one people that Russia Belarus Ukraine

                        I used to think so, too, but now, no. And I don’t want to have anything to do with stiff Russians. When they become Russians again, then perhaps. Only so that it is not too late.
                      2. vavilon
                        vavilon 22 May 2020 14: 24 New
                        0
                        In Russia, it is not going to absorb Ukraine because oligarchs rule in Russia and oligarchs are not financially profitable to absorb countries, but to maintain their spheres of influence is yes.
                        There are different ways of fighting, do you think it’s better to shed blood to send young people who do not understand what they’re fighting to the bullets, Just don’t tell me here about the slogans “Ukraine ponadus” or the like?
                        As I said, you need to understand first inside Ukraine without otherworldly help. We look at the oligarchic system of Russia and we don’t notice the oligarchs who take away the last of the Ukrainian people
                        As for our Slavic peoples, so I can say one thing that no one chooses and does not replace father and mother
                      3. Operator
                        Operator 22 May 2020 14: 53 New
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                        "Украина" - это в Канаде? bully
                      4. revnagan
                        revnagan 22 May 2020 20: 37 New
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                        Quote: vavilon
                        In Russia is not going to absorb Ukraine

                        Конечно же собирается.В России хорошо помнят слова З.Бжезинского(земля ему стекловатой) о том,что без Украины она никогда не будет сверхдержавой.Да и границы отодвинуть не Запад не помешает.Остатки промышленности забрать у "фашистов" и положить себе в карман.Трубопроводы.Недра.Только вот нам всё это зачем?
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 22 May 2020 11: 56 New
      -6
      Quote: prior
      In America, darkness is the people of Russia. Whose will they be? Ours or theirs?

      Theirs. And since former Russians have American passports, now America has rights to the territory on which these Russians previously lived. Well, just like Russia in the Donbass and in Crimea good .
      1. prior
        prior 22 May 2020 12: 02 New
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        Bravo. You are a master of verbiage, in a good way. Just let these former elections be held in the territory that they supposedly have the right to hold. Well, as in the Crimea or in the Donbass.
        Let's see what happens.
        And then suddenly, as a result of the referendum, it turns out that Alaska and California are not American at all.
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 22 May 2020 12: 35 New
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          Quote: prior
          Just let these former elections be held in the territory that they supposedly have the right to hold.

          To do this, it will be necessary to introduce the US military / territorial control to these territories, treacherously taking advantage of the gullibility of the Russian Federation (as the Russian Federation did in relation to Ukraine). I hope that China will restore world justice in relation to Russia ....
          1. prior
            prior 22 May 2020 13: 01 New
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            Obviously, you are ready to lie under anyone, even under America, even under China, if only to shit Russia for returning its rightful territory - the Crimea, which, by Khrushchev’s stupidity, accidentally became part of Soviet Ukraine.
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 22 May 2020 13: 51 New
              -5
              Quote: prior
              Obviously you're ready to lie under anyone

              Do not judge strangers by yourself. Not everyone is ready to do what you are in a similar situation. And yes, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
              Quote: prior
              just to spoil Russia

              Do not shit, but restore justice.
              Quote: prior
              she regained her rightful territory

              She (Russia) can return Crimea only to Ukraine. Since the collapse of the USSR, this is the legal territory of Ukraine. And legally, nothing has changed at the moment.
  • major147
    major147 22 May 2020 11: 13 New
    +3
    Quote: vavilon
    What do you think means "ours"? But the Ukrainian people are not ours or something that was left to their own devices?
    These are our people and we theirs, it must be understood in our heads and not to separate what it is we and it is they

    Наши поднялись против хунты, а ваши радостно посещали вот такие "атракционы" во время майдана!

    Лелея своё "величие" над "ватниками"! Но расстрою вас, в клетке тоже ваш сидит!
    1. vavilon
      vavilon 22 May 2020 11: 43 New
      -4
      And in the cell and outside the cell it is also ours and we theirs
      1. major147
        major147 22 May 2020 12: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: vavilon
        And in the cell and outside the cell it is also ours and we theirs

        Can you imagine such a performance with a Ukrainian in a cage in Russia !?
  • New Year day
    New Year day 22 May 2020 09: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: prior
    and there you look and the rest of Ukraine will return to its native harbor.

    Мне не нравится, когда так говоря, оперируют понятиями "территория", а не людьми.
    По сути, это философия бандерлогов: "Крым будет украинским или безлюдным"
    People are the main thing in any territory and it is necessary to fight for the minds, it is difficult, but possible.
    Hence the question: how do you pretend to all of Ukraine, quitting the fight for the minds of Ukrainians?
    1. prior
      prior 22 May 2020 09: 57 New
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      Do not cling to terms. For me, the territory of Ukraine and the people of Ukraine are inextricable, like Crimea and Crimeans.
      Западенцев "лечить" бесполезно, так не за кого бороться, а православная Украина наестся досыта дерьмократического дерьма и вспомнит Переяславскую Раду.
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    4. vavilon
      vavilon 22 May 2020 11: 50 New
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      I fully support you, now many Ukrainian minds are clogged with the ideology of Bandera and this weed needs to be uprooted and we need to do it now, nobody will do it for us
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 22 May 2020 10: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: prior
    Continue to ride Svidomo, and there you watch and the rest of Ukraine will return to its native harbor.

    That's for sure, because time works against them.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 22 May 2020 08: 35 New
    +4
    After that, Vasily Nebenzya urged the participants in the meeting not to build judgments without having listened to those who live in Crimea now.
    А вот "прогрессивный запад" народ в Крыму не видит и не слышит, он для них просто пыль, но зато видит и слышит в Киеве зелнских, коломоских, вельцманов а также примкнувших к ним бандер, и других отбросов, не имеющих никакого отношения к Крыму.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 22 May 2020 08: 40 New
    +2
    Right to all the service stations!
  • Vladimir
    Vladimir 22 May 2020 08: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: prior
    Without their active help, Crimea would have remained Ukrainian.
    And now - our Crimea.

    I agree, there was still a certain third party in the scenario of which they surrendered the Crimea, agree 25 thousand. a soldier of the Ukrainian army, although not quite combat-ready, is something, and I believe there was an order from the outside.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 22 May 2020 09: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir 
      I agree, there was still a certain third party in the scenario of which they surrendered the Crimea, agree 25 thousand. a soldier of the Ukrainian army, although not quite combat-ready, is something, and I believe there was an order from the outside.

      everything is simple! You can get an answer. looking all hated Gordon. 2 former defense ministers of Ukraine live in Russia - does this mean something?
    2. major147
      major147 22 May 2020 11: 17 New
      -1
      Quote: Vladimir 
      there was still a certain third party

      Are you talking about the Lord God?
  • cniza
    cniza 22 May 2020 08: 56 New
    +8
    Russian Permanent Representative to the UN Vasily Nebenzya commented on another attack against Russia on the issue of reunification with Crimea.


    The issue with Crimea is closed and there is nothing to procrastinate it.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 22 May 2020 09: 17 New
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      Quote: cniza
      Russian Permanent Representative to the UN Vasily Nebenzya commented on another attack against Russia on the issue of reunification with Crimea.


      The issue with Crimea is closed and there is nothing to procrastinate it.

      So if the teeth are knocked out or can be knocked out, it remains - to procrastinate winked
    2. major147
      major147 22 May 2020 11: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: cniza
      The issue with Crimea is closed and there is nothing to procrastinate it.

      Они его "расчёсывают" и он их беспокоит!
    3. revnagan
      revnagan 22 May 2020 12: 02 New
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      Quote: cniza
      The question with Crimea is closed

      This is your point of view. Ukrainian is different. The question is postponed until there is a decision in favor of Ukraine.
      1. cniza
        cniza 22 May 2020 12: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: revnagan
        The question is postponed until there is a decision in favor of Ukraine.



        Who should decide and why in favor of Ukraine, the people of Crimea have already decided, period.
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 22 May 2020 12: 37 New
          -6
          Quote: cniza
          the people of Crimea have already decided, period.

          You say a point, we say a comma. International laws are violated, no one recognized Crimea as Russian. We’ll wait. If you sit on the river for a long time, sooner or later the enemy’s corpse will float by ...
          1. cniza
            cniza 22 May 2020 20: 23 New
            +3
            Here time will judge us, it’s not long to wait ...
  • 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 22 May 2020 09: 08 New
    +4
    I don’t understand one thing, why Russia will not put the return of Crimea as a restoration of justice, i.e. return of the territory with the population, ka illegally squeezed earlier by Ukraine?
    To begin with, the transfer of Crimea to the RSFSR was not ratified, and Sevastopol, as a separate enclave, has always been the territory of the RSFSR.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 22 May 2020 09: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: 75Sergey
      ka illegally squeezed earlier by Ukraine?

      in more detail from this place ..
      Crimea was not squeezed out, but transferred to Ukraine by decision of the supreme power of the USSR. The opinion of people, neither then nor now, was or is not interested
      1. major147
        major147 22 May 2020 11: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: 75Sergey
        ka illegally squeezed earlier by Ukraine?

        in more detail from this place ..
        Crimea was not squeezed out, but transferred to Ukraine by decision of the supreme power of the USSR. The opinion of people, neither then nor now, was or is not interested

        Previously, the people of Crimea did not ask anyone about his desire, but now they asked and the people said their word! That's it, all the discussions are over!
      2. 75 Sergey
        75 Sergey 22 May 2020 12: 58 New
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        "Передача Крымской области из состава РСФСР в состав УССР (также известна как «передача Крыма Украине») была осуществлена на основании указа Президиума Верховного Совета СССР от 19 февраля 1954 года", но "Изменение территории республик не входило в полномочия Президиума Верховного Совета СССР, определявшиеся статьёй 49 Конституции СССР" и "Согласно статье 18 действовавшей на 1954 г. Конституции СССР и статьям 16, 19, 22 и 23 Конституции РСФСР 1937 года, территория РСФСР не могла быть изменена без её согласия, дать которое мог высший орган государственной власти — Верховный Совет РСФСР" и "Согласно постановлению Верховного Совета Российской Федерации от 21.05.1992 № 2809-1, Постановление Президиума Верховного Совета РСФСР от 05.02.1954 «О передаче Крымской области из состава РСФСР в состав Украинской ССР», как принятое с нарушением Конституции (Основного закона) РСФСР и законодательной процедуры признано не имевшим юридической силы с момента принятия"
        Let them go to the garden, take their own, not a stranger.

        Here is such an incident, during the times of the USSR no one paid attention to this, but times have changed.
    2. vavilon
      vavilon 22 May 2020 11: 41 New
      +1
      Justice will be restored when Russia Belarus Ukraine will be as one state and one people, this will be historical justice
      1. 75 Sergey
        75 Sergey 22 May 2020 17: 29 New
        0
        And for this we need to make sure that everyone in Russia works and generates income (a national idea, wages must be decent and productivity), when we ride like butter and cheese, then we will reach for us
  • vavilon
    vavilon 22 May 2020 09: 14 New
    -3
    Crimea is wonderful, why did Ukraine stay where it is now? because these are also our people our land our history
    Why are we so cruel to Ukraine?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 May 2020 10: 20 New
      0
      Quote: vavilon
      Why are we so cruel to Ukraine?

      Did we really want that ???
      Акт провозглашения независимости Украины - принятый внеочередной сессией Верховного Совета УССР 24 августа 1991 года, которым провозглашена независимость Украины. Тем самым был положен конец юридического существования Украинской Советской Социалистической Республики. Акт вступил в силу с момента его одобрения. "За" проголосовали 346 депутатов. 24 августа 1991 был поднят над куполом Верховной Рады сине-желтый флаг - флаг Украины, который под стены Верховной Рады принесли люди. Одновременно с Актом провозглашения независимости было принято Постановление о провозглашении независимости, в котором было обусловлено проведение референдума 1 декабря 1991 года на подтверждение акта провозглашения независимости. 1 декабря 93% населения Украины высказались за независимость.

      And where is our fault here, and how cruelly we treated Ukraine, if 93% of the population were against cohabitation. And now some of us say that it is our people. Somehow everything does not fit.
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 22 May 2020 11: 24 New
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        My dear interlocutor
        And how do you explain the result of the referendum of March 91 when all the republics spoke out in favor of preserving the Soviet Union, and if I am not mistaken, more than 76% of the union, what can you say?
        At that time, the central government was inactive in Moscow, purposefully loosening the USSR, separatism spread to the whole Union and the fact that Kiev accepted it didn’t mean anything, and where do you get these figures from 93 percent is completely false, while the whole army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, special services were under control of Moscow dotted and put the Bialowieza Agreement with the signature of Yeltsin
        when all the other republics didn’t know what to do with this independence, At that time they also tried to create the Volga, Ural, and Far Eastern republics of Chechnya, which also voted for independence, but it is now part of Russia, how to explain this correctly?
        I never agree when we do not know how to admit our mistakes and try to blame everything that happened on others.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 22 May 2020 12: 12 New
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          Quote: vavilon
          at that time the whole army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and special services were under the control of Moscow a point over and the Belovezhskaya agreement with the signature of Yeltsin put
          You bring everything down on Yeltsin, forgetting about Kravchuk and Shushkevich. There were three of them. The Belovegsky putsch was on December 8, 1991. But let me remind you again
          On August 24, 1991, a blue-yellow flag was raised above the dome of the Verkhovna Rada - the flag of Ukraine, which people brought under the walls of the Verkhovna Rada. At that time, other crucial decisions were made: the deportation of law enforcement agencies (the prosecutor’s office, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the then KGB); It was decided to subordinate all military formations deployed on the territory of the republic to the Verkhovna Rada; form the Ministry of Defense; the government - to begin the creation of the Armed Forces, the Republican Guard and the security units of the Verkhovna Rada, the Cabinet of Ministers and the National Bank. And which army, which GB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which were no longer subordinate to Moscow on December 8.12.1991, XNUMX.
          1. vavilon
            vavilon 22 May 2020 12: 45 New
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            What’s the flag here? What kind of people? What are you talking about? Read my comment carefully again
      2. revnagan
        revnagan 22 May 2020 12: 08 New
        -5
        Quote: tihonmarine
        The act of declaration of independence of Ukraine - adopted by the extraordinary session of the Supreme Council of the Ukrainian SSR on August 24, 1991, which proclaimed the independence of Ukraine.

        Quote: tihonmarine
        Did we really want that ???

        Is not it so?
        Вот, полюбуйтесь,"кто первый начал".
        "Декларация о государственном суверенитете РСФСР — политико-правовой акт, ознаменовавший начало конституционной реформы и провозглашение государственного суверенитета РСФСР. Декларация была принята в ходе тяжёлой политической борьбы Первым Съездом народных депутатов РСФСР 12 июня 1990 года."(цит).
        "Декларация о государственном суверенитете РСФСР — политико-правовой акт, ознаменовавший начало конституционной реформы и провозглашение государственного суверенитета РСФСР.
        Декларация была принята в ходе тяжёлой политической борьбы Первым Съездом народных депутатов РСФСР 12 июня 1990 года. Результаты голосования: 907 — за, 13 — против, 9 — воздержалось[1][2]."
        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_state_ sovereignty of the RSFSR
        If you find even one false word here, I will delete my account from the site.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 22 May 2020 12: 34 New
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          Quote: revnagan
          If you find even one false word here, I will delete my account from the site.

          Well what are you! I will even give some quotes. Gorbachev. If a republic emerges using constitutional law, the Union will experience infringement. And if Russia exercises its right of exit? Then - everything: there is no Soviet Union. more... Elzin. Russia needs full-blooded sovereignty! .. Russia has suffered great damage from an obsolete, but still clinging to the life of the administrative-command system. In terms of labor productivity, the republic is in first place in the country, and in spending on social needs - in the last, fifteenth. Not the center, but Russia should think about what functions to transfer to the center. Well, as a result. On June 12, 1990, the First Congress of People's Deputies of the RSFSR adopted the Declaration on State Sovereignty. Of the thousands who voted against, there were three. (On June 12, 1991, the republic elected its own President, B.N. Yeltsin). From the Declaration on State Sovereignty of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic of June 12, 1990
    2. major147
      major147 22 May 2020 11: 21 New
      0
      Quote: vavilon
      Crimea is wonderful, why did Ukraine stay where it is now? because these are also our people our land our history
      Why are we so cruel to Ukraine?

      Let Crimea go to Russia.
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 22 May 2020 11: 27 New
        0
        I'm all for it ! the fact is that in Russia we have forces that are not interested in the reunification of Slavic peoples
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 22 May 2020 12: 18 New
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        Quote: major147
        Let Crimea go to Russia.

        Crimea, this is Crimea. He has a different story back in 1991. January 20, 1991 in the Crimean region of Ukraine held a referendum on the reconstruction of the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, first plebiscite in the history of the USSR. На всеобщее голосование был вынесен вопрос: "Вы за воссоздание Крымской Автономной Советской Социалистической республики как субъекта Союза ССР и участника Союзного договора?". 22 января 1991 года комиссия по референдуму в Крымской области сообщила "О результатах Референдума о государственном и правовом статусе Крыма, состоявшегося 20 января 1991 года". На основании представленных протоколов комиссий по референдуму областная (центральная) комиссия сообщала, что число граждан, которые приняли участие в голосовании, ‑ 1 441 019 человек, что составляет 81,37% от внесенных в списки. Число голосов, поданных за восстановление Крымской Автономной Советской Социалистической Республики как субъекта Союза ССР и участника Союзного договора, составило 1 343 855, или 93,26% от принявших участие.
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  • Campanella
    Campanella 22 May 2020 09: 28 New
    +1
    While Russia will hang between the legs of the powers that be, it will be kicked by everyone. Putin's getting up is reminiscent of the rise of a drunk who wants to get up, but his head does not cook and his legs do not obey ...
  • north 2
    north 2 22 May 2020 09: 35 New
    0
    the fact that if there hadn’t been a coup in Ukraine so Crimea would have remained part of Ukraine, such a statement can only be like diplomatic pasta on the ears of those who do not understand or are afraid to admit that God has drawn the path of Russia, the relay legacy of past generations and history. And this path is the Empire, which must include not only Little Russia, Great Russia and White Russia, but also those lands of the Russian Empire that the ancestors annexed to this Empire as buffer zones to move through these lands the danger of enemy invasion into the Empire to empire to dismember, plunder and destroy. Moreover, if more than one generation of Russian wars and sailors shed blood for these lands of the Empire, these lands were so important for the generations of ancestors who created this Empire. So Russia cannot live without enclaves like Crimea. They should be returned as soon as possible to this reviving Empire, the rebirth of which will end in not a year or two, and after Putin. And it doesn’t matter what power is today in Little or White Russia. These lands must be returned to the new Empire, otherwise Lukoshenko in White Russia is now gradually being converted into Poroshenko in Little Russia and on the outskirts. But the new Empire cannot call its Kaliningrad region yet another Outskirts, because the outskirts of the Empire on which Kiev stands are already called Outskirts. So, through the territory of White Russia the lands of the Outskirts, the lands of Little Russia and the lands of the Kaliningrad region with the lands of Great Russia must be connected so that Russia finally revived its Empire. And do not wait until Lukoshenko finally becomes Poroshenko.
    That's what should be in the minds of politicians such as Nebenzya, and only such thoughts of Russian politicians turning into actions justify them if they diplomatically hang pasta on the ears of local
    liberals, Badera on the outskirts of the empire or the Anglo-Saxons abroad.
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 22 May 2020 09: 47 New
    +3
    Opposition forced Yanukovych to escape!
    Yes, he ran like a cowardly coyote! And Putin has sheltered this mess. Take the stolen money and throw it back to Ukraine. So that all subsequent ones know that you need to fight to the end.
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    1. Rosko
      Rosko 22 May 2020 11: 26 New
      0
      Dream on, the near future will show whose time and where it went. Your last name is not Anderson's case?
    2. Rosko
      Rosko 22 May 2020 11: 27 New
      -1
      Выберитесь из своего "загаженого"свинарника для начала ,селюки безграмотные.
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    1. Radius
      Radius 22 May 2020 11: 00 New
      +1
      "...Кто эту заурядную массу, которая лишь после "пенсиона" зашевелилась"
      Интересно, после какого пинка, пардон, стимулирования!, зашевелится "заурядная" масса в Украине?
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 22 May 2020 12: 25 New
      -5
      Quote: Akim
      the communist state, in terms of its content and content, does not need an opinion ... of the majority of the people (!!).

      What the hell is komunyatskoe? There’s a bar, but there are slaves whose opinion is not interesting to anyone. The bar decided that it would be better for them, that's all, period. Under the communists of the Russian Federation it grew by population, industry, people developed, (like Ukraine, by the way), but these ...
  • Pug
    Pug 22 May 2020 10: 25 New
    -4
    And there is nothing to report to them .. Just keep silent and with your lips like laurels explain everything hi
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    1. Elephant
      Elephant 22 May 2020 11: 29 New
      +2
      And it was necessary to chop off gas altogether, how they Crimeans water, light, began to kill the Russians in the Donbass, etc.
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  • Junior Private
    Junior Private 22 May 2020 10: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    There is a lot of shit in Ukraine, but this is a scoop, lack of education and the dominance of Jews in power. Let's figure it out. But, if you allow me, without you.

    You've already figured it out enough. Enough for three generations. So profucu entire country still have to try. The agricultural industry is breathing in the dark, production has been killed (and what kind of defense industry), armed gangs roam the country, it’s not clear to anyone under control, soon it will be possible to convey greetings to the black soils ... And again, Russia is your fault. Tired of listening to your clinic.
    Quote: Akim

    Do not allow it - anger will be longer and more blood.

    Here is a typical neohohlyatsky thinking. America commands the Ukrainians, Russia is to blame, but we will figure it out ourselves - we will fill everything with blood and will be angry in our own impotence. Ugh!
  • Elephant
    Elephant 22 May 2020 11: 21 New
    -1
    The coup in Ukraine exposed the problems of the Russian special services, which at the initial stage allowed this obscurantism. The return of Crimea is certainly good for Russia, but bad - now Ukraine is under foreign influence and a hostile belligerent state.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 22 May 2020 11: 58 New
    +4
    Nebenzya: If not for the coup in Ukraine, Crimea would have remained where it was until 2014

    Not so it was necessary: ​​Crimea was UNLAWFUL, in violation of the Constitution of the USSR and the RSFSR, transferred to Ukraine.

    The people said their word in a referendum.

    That's it!
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      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 22 May 2020 13: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: Akim
        not the people, but a particle of those who are sober and expecting millions on their heads))

        Именно народ Крыма, 96%, и сказал свое ВЕСКОЕ СЛОВО т.н. "украине", которая , с какого-то перепугу, считала Крым .... своим. belay fool lol

        Quote: Akim
        ) without tourists, without water))

        There are more tourists than before, and the waters are the whole Black and Azov Seas.

        But the pan-and-leg-not panties, no work, no land ...

        The townspeople! lol
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      AllBiBek 22 May 2020 12: 48 New
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      Below you is a chair smoking. Please be careful, otherwise the whole hut will burn out - and Muscovites will always be to blame.
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  • AllBiBek
    AllBiBek 22 May 2020 12: 46 New
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    Вся Украина в одном фильме - это "Королева бензоколонки", как ни странно. Архетип на архетипе, и "денег не дам", и "это звонит аноним", и "должны же у женщины быть свои маленькие слабости", и прочее, прочее, прочее...

    Even two bureaucrats in embroidered shirts, and the dilapidated bridge collapsed because of them.

    Ie even then it was all, and on a massive scale, since everything was shoved into one not-so-expensive comedy.

    So there is not so much arrogant-Saxon machinations as a mentality. The place there is.
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    alien 22 May 2020 12: 46 New
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    Apparently, history does not teach anything.

    The Hauptman of the punitive battalion Roman Shukhevych at the OUN congress in 1940, he bluntly stated: "If half of the 40 million Ukrainians remain, there is nothing to worry about."
    http://www.ukrstat.gov.ua/express/expr2020/02/18.pdf
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      1. alien
        alien 22 May 2020 13: 11 New
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        Akim (Akim)

        Dostoevsky Fedor Mikhailovich. The diary of a writer. September - November 1877
        III. ONE WITH ALL THE SPECIAL WORDS ABOUT THE SLAVES, WHICH I HAVE LIKE FOR A LONG TIME TO SAY
        “... according to my inner conviction, the most complete and insurmountable - Russia will never have, and never have, haters, envious people, slanderers, and even obvious enemies, like all these Slavic tribes, as soon as Russia liberates them, and Europe agrees to recognize them released!
        ... It will be especially pleasant for the liberated Slavs to express and trumpet the whole world that they are educated tribes capable of the highest European culture, while Russia is a barbaric country, gloomy northern colossus, not even pure Slavic blood, persecutor and hater of European civilization ”
        http://az.lib.ru/d/dostoewskij_f_m/text_0500.shtml
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      alien 22 May 2020 14: 15 New
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      Quote: Akim
      But the board is yet to come


      V. Zelensky:
      “What the hell is the association with the EU? Which EU? Have you read the agreement? Europe takes our forest, Ukrainian zarobitchans make furniture, and then the EU sells this furniture to our country three times more expensive than for the countries of the European Union. They export our natural resources, make products, and then sell them to us. And what did Ukraine get from this? Loans on enslaving terms. Everything, nothing more ”
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  • Junior Private
    Junior Private 22 May 2020 14: 38 New
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    Quote: Akim
    I haven’t been surprised for a long time - why Ukrainians hate the Scoop so much

    Eka you deftly cling to the Ukrainians. They are our blood brothers, unlike the Ragul Nazis. I understand that you are not able to directly answer my questions. You just have to march under the banner of the Polish passive homosexual Bandera-Popel.
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  • Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 24 May 2020 07: 23 New
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    And who told you such nonsense that Russian citizens are not allowed abroad?

    They let me in, of course. You are just trying to pervert and defame the meaning of what I said above. But here, as Ukrainians, they are not taken that way. And about 1000 euros, salaries in the Russian Federation do not have to lie. 10-15-18 tyr. in the territory of Zamkadia is a normal RFov s / n.

    You have interesting salary statistics. In the Russian Federation. And just like my subordinates, simple hard workers, as well as teachers, doctors, kindergarten teachers in our small town in Siberia, go on vacation abroad. Of course, in basic it is Asia, but there are also many who went to Europe before quarantine. The figures given by you correspond to the average pension. My mother gets just 18 thousand. A teacher with forty years of experience. My place of residence is Siberia, about 100 km from Baikal in a straight line. The lower bar w / board we have in the production of 25 - 30 thousand. This is the second category. Energy I just get more than 1000 euros. Mid-level engineering.