Zhirinovsky proposes to put the body of Lenin on sale "to replenish the budget"

The leader of the LDPR party once again decided to be proactive. Some time ago, Vladimir Zhirinovsky suggested thinking about the abolition of the Federation Council, which is the upper house of the Federal Assembly. Prior to this, Zhirinovsky proposed reducing the number of parliamentarians in the State Duma of the Russian Federation.

Zhirinovsky’s new initiative is already linked to another “general line”.

In his Twitter microblog, the deputy announced his proposal for "putting up for sale the mummy of Vladimir Lenin."

Zhirinovsky:

In France, a businessman wants to sell the painting "The Mona Lisa". We could sell Lenin’s mummy. ”

The deputy of the State Duma, apparently associating himself with a businessman, is sure that "there will certainly be buyers." According to the leader of the Liberal Democratic Party, such a buyer could be "some kind of communist" or "China, Vietnam."

Zhirinovsky believes that the sale of Lenin’s body “will bring huge funds to the country's budget.”

It turns out that, being guided solely by the issue of profit (declaratively - for the state budget), some modern politicians are ready to sell even what is connected with history Of Russia. Of course, Vladimir Ulyanov (Lenin) can be treated differently, but to declare the sale of his body is a bust even for a politician who during his presence in the political arena was distinguished by various resonant statements.

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[Ravil_Asnafovich]

When the cat has nothing to do ...

[Grandfather]

sell yourself, on the "Leningrad", old senile.

[Stas157]

. Zhirinovsky offers put up the body of Lenin for sale

Highpoor is cheap. It’s easy to joke over a dead lion. But something I did not hear his jokes about the king.

[Shurik70]

Zhirinovsky, of course, is creative.
And even many communists liked it. No longer.
It's one thing to run into different oligarchs and their actions. And another offend the history of the state.
Will fall by rating greatly.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Shurik70

Zhirinovsky, of course, is creative.

I have a simple question, who will remember Zhirinovsky in 10 years?
And Lenin's legacy will be studied in 100 years. The further we are from the era of the USSR, the more clearly we understand its greatness, as well as the greatness of the personalities of that epoch. Now we live in a terrible time of obscurantism and "personality" corresponds to the time, petty, pathetic clowns, foam ...., spit and grind.
I think that those who have not yet understood what little people have been "running" the country for 30 years, let them study in detail the biography of such "Zhirinovskys".

[Topol M]

This is what legacy you are going to learn! Have you ever read this Jew’s work? With the ego of filing, the Russian Empire has become unclear what! For sixteen years in the army, I studied the creations of this “genius” - how to organize concentration camps, how to destroy the color of a nation. Write more examples to you.

[T.Henks]

And at least did something on the main vus? Khrushchev’s?

[tvgpvo]

He studied poorly. Who led the empire to collapse by entering the war? Who overthrew the emperor, putting an end to autocracy and empire? Did you hear about the February revolution? Who signed the text of telegrams of the commanders of the fronts and the Baltic Fleet in Pskov asking for abdication? (And there were some of them the first persons of the Russian army is its color, and they then knew exactly who led the Russian Empire to collapse) But only the Bolsheviks were able to head a ruined country. As a result, the USSR appeared (not a frail country compared to the Russian Empire)

[forester1971]

It is not a matter of the personality of Lenin V.I., but of the transcendent cynicism of Zhirinovsky - to offer to sell human ashes is already too much!

[Simargl]

Quote: Poplar M

With the ego of filing, the Russian Empire has become unclear what!

Read carefully, tree! The Bolsheviks picked up (not even taken away), in fact, the power of bourgeoiswho overthrew the king (February bourgeois revolution / coup) and, in fact, ruined the empire.

[Constructor68]

Lenin’s legacy will be studied in 100 years

Not a legacy, but consequences. And they will study in order to prevent the appearance of such sadists in the future

[Normal ok]

Quote: Shurik70

Zhirinovsky, of course, is creative.
And even many communists liked it. No longer.
It's one thing to run into different oligarchs and their actions. And another offend the history of the state.
Will fall by rating greatly.

It has long been known that, with the help of the Zhirinovsky stuffing, the authorities are testing the public many. So that it is ZhZhZ, - not with simple. Of course they will not sell, but thoughts about the burial have a place to be.

[New Year day]

Quote: Shurik70

Will fall by rating greatly.

his electorate is clients of the madhouse. And their number is constant.

[ccsr]

Quote: Shurik70

Zhirinovsky, of course, is creative.

No, he is an ordinary political prostitute according to Lenin’s definition, which is why he demands the removal of the leader’s body from the mausoleum. In general, observing his behavior, even on talk shows, I am more and more convinced that he is simply insane, and it seems that the insanity crisis has already come.

[Charik]

Hahaha rating and what he decides, will they choose to think or not?

[Labrador]

Of course, Zhirinovsky’s sale will not work ... But I’m ready to chip in so that he will be taken with surcharge.

[bondrostov]

She’s such a schizophrenia .. progresses to old age. Ukraine may buy Wolfovich for experiments, but not for expensive

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Labrador

Of course, Zhirinovsky’s sale will not work ... But I’m ready to chip in so that he will be taken with surcharge.

Nobody will buy Zhirik, now they are not quoted. If, only to present to Ukraine.

[Simargl]

Quote: tihonmarine

If, only to present to Ukraine.

Ambassador to Ukraine ...

[svp67]

Quote: Labrador

Of course, Zhirinovsky’s sale will not work ...

Why? You can sell everyone ... for example, if you don't sell it, since the other side may not have enough pennies, you can exchange it for an equal weight of "bacon" ...

[4ekist]

And why not sell you, or you are too valuable and irreplaceable frame?

[svp67]

Quote: 4ekist

And why not sell you, or you are too valuable and irreplaceable frame?

It will cost more ... "Citizen Chekist"
Are you a supporter of the Liberal Democratic Party? Are you not afraid that at one point he will decide to sell you? Moreover, this is not the first time he has done this.

[4ekist]

And you didn’t notice that who just didn’t sell us and will sell us. I somehow do not even doubt it.

[svp67]

Quote: 4ekist

And you didn’t notice

Of course I noticed ... but this one has already reached the point of trading in "mummies" ... And this is a BOOK.

[T.Henks]

In Ukraine, the tandem would be glorious. Two clowns. Moreover, the plywood factory in Lviv had plywood under NEP.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Stas157

Highpoor is cheap.

Yes, mocking the dead is the last thing.

Quote: Stas157

It’s easy to joke over a dead lion.

You got very excited about the lion. What Lenin was the lion? He did so many things in Russia with his filthy burry tongue that the devils were baptized in hell. Or do you recall how many deaths were caused by this hyena?

Quote: Stas157

But something I did not hear his jokes about the king.

Because Gilles, however, like Grudinin, Sobchag, Medvedev and others like them, including even the same Soloviev, are all products of this built system.

[parkello]

Andrei. They don’t really know how much evil he did to Russia. they naively believe in that bright future that he has blinded them to their ears ... driving everyone into bondage and destroying the color of the nation. Even the Earth does not accept this offspring, otherwise they would have buried it for a long time. But it is not a human being ... and its land is not a mother wants ... somehow amazed reading the comments of ethnic Russians on this site. people do not know at all who the Russians were at the beginning of the 20th century. and how the Russian Empire could have grown did not make it a coup. many Russians lived in our city. who stayed here after the revolution. the most prestigious area in Thessaloniki - Harilau district. called Little Russia. lived here. fought here for Greece and died with dignity. they erect monuments and honor them. I respect Stalin. But Lenin ... pooh ... scum ... and therefore his family is destroyed. And has no offspring.

[Simargl]

Quote: parkello

and how could the Russian Empire have grown did not make it a coup

Well let's tell asif, in fact, to october, Empire did not exist: it fell apart.

[Tatyana]

Zhirinovsky proposes to put the body of Lenin on sale "to replenish the budget"

Such an old man must not sit in power for so many years!
Such people in life are just impudently fooling around.
Limit the duration of your stay in the State Duma to a few calls - and that’s it! Moreover, psychiatric examination should be added to them legally!

[Stas157]

Quote: Tatiana

Must not such the old man has been sitting in power for so many years!
Such people in life are just impudently fooling around.
Limit your stay

The court jester became quite old (not only the body). But the old king does not need another. A permanent jester, a permanent king has long been living in isolation from reality.

[mikh-korsakov]

The Yeltsin constitution took property away from the people (arguments that property did not belong to the people, were not accepted by partocrats, because for extracting someone from the property those times were severely punished when they caught), but it granted anyone the right to publicly express any nonsense on any topic. I want to ask Zhirinovsky, well, be according to him - the Leader’s body will be sold, what will happen from this - the virus will calm down, the unemployed will find work - no! I remember as a child in a summer house a neighbor boy boasted of how he was peeping in the outhouse when women went there. Out of stupidity they listened. But the boys are one thing, and the old politician is another, and his chatter is akin to that. In short. I would be ashamed of his bazaar, otherwise you will not name,. if I were a member of the LDPR.

[Vadim237]

No, just on the labor of citizens of the USSR, the party super-executive pulled out 120 countries of rogue people - they paid on average 150 rubles, but no one knew the real cost of their labor and there was no property to take away from you except the money earned for cars and so on, and everyone lived according to the plan that they created in the partner’s office and distributed all the goods as they decide at the top, but such planning from above will never be able to accurately provide all the needs and changes below, and they got a shortage of money; people have a lot of goods on the shelves - since everything Pali stuff bought from despair minimal choice. For a long time such an economic system cannot exist.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Tatiana

Such an old man must not sit in power for so many years!

Definitely !!!
All of our Duma elders, with one fact of their existence, turn political life in Russia into a long boring boring performance with very little hope from the audience for a happy ending.

[unaha]

But who chooses them? All of these athletes, actors and others who have never encountered the actual life and needs of the vast majority of citizens ...

[Polite Moose]

Quote: unaha

But who chooses them?

I believe that your question is purely rhetorical. After all, as Mark Twain said: "If something depended on the elections, we would not be allowed to participate in them." Although, in my opinion, old Twain is somewhat categorical. Nobody canceled the opinion of the electorate (completely).
Another question: why and why are they (athletes and actors) chosen? Many copies were broken on this subject. In short, they choose friends and popular people, because few have heard of any economics professor or academician in corporate governance. So the seats in the State Duma are filled with wrestlers, boxers and singers who, without understanding anything in matters of management and lawmaking, like that of Rabinovich, hesitate along with the main line of the party. But on the screen they look great.

[stalki]

There’s nothing to add congenially. Well, except for comparison. It's like amerskie heroes on the screen, spectacular, spectacular, "wow straight", but in reality they are not, our soldier of the Second World War is a hundred times better. The doctor performs real feats, the passer-by who saved the child, and so on. But people like it, especially the young generation. Here too, a certain public figure, promoted, constantly before our eyes, on the screen. The protectorate has "confidence" in him, what's the difference that he himself did not do anything for society, he is recognizable.

[unaha]

"I believe that your question is purely rhetorical" - in general, yes))) But nevertheless I really do not understand how you can choose a person (in particular, the last presidential election) who didn’t say anything about his plans AT ALL.
And it’s even interesting to know what percentage of those who choose before reading at least reads (not to mention understanding and realistic implementation) the candidates' programs.

[reservist]

Quote: unaha

Nevertheless, I don’t really understand how to choose a person (in particular, the last presidential election) who generally did not say anything about his plans.

so every year says the same ...

video from 2015 ...

[unaha]

That yes ... says ... and even the right things (in the first performances anyway), but where is the result?

[reservist]

so here is the result - I will have to work five years longer before receiving the "retirement benefit," but also less ...

[unaha]

Indeed ... the result is not what I would like, but there is, you can’t argue)

[Polite Moose]

Quote: unaha

And it’s even interesting to know what percentage of those who choose before reading at least reads (not to mention understanding and realistic implementation) the candidates' programs.

If for the failure to fulfill promises with our promise, he would bear at least some real responsibility, then these programs should be read on promises. And so - since the time of Gorbachev, everyone has almost the same thing. Election Blah Blah Blah.

[unaha]

Then I remembered the local elections. There was a case trying to be elected by a team under the roof of an apple, while they themselves were not Yabloko themselves, they just took them to the elections. The guys had just an excellent program, well-developed, completely real, allowing them to improve living conditions in the city in stages with specific terms and resources. Well, I remember they got 5 percent ... As a result, traditionally local "oligarchs" got out, deciding primarily their business interests. From what confusion ...

[sniperino]

Quote: Polite Elk

And so - since the time of Gorbachev, everyone has almost the same thing.

Khrushchev did not promise you life under communism? And he promised me ...

[Simargl]

Quote: Polite Elk

In short, they choose friends and popular people, because few have heard of any economics professor or academician in corporate governance.

You can unwind any weaver.
I think actors, athletes and all sorts of other actors are simply used to working for the public and are more manageable.

[New Year day]

Quote: Polite Elk

All these our Duma elders with one fact of their existence turn political life in Russia into a long boring boring performance

Poklonskaya in an interview with Gordon called it easier - "Tomb"

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Tatiana

Such an old man must not sit in power for so many years!

I have a mother-in-law, if 100 meters from the cottage depart, then her police will return.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Tatiana

Moreover, psychiatric examination should be added to them legally!

And the psychic examination of the same leader of the proletariat was not needed? No?

[Zefr]

Lenin was in power for 6 years. Six years old, Natasha. Whatever he did, the counter-revolution in thirty years could have done everything the way it should (and how it should, really?). But could not.

[4ekist]

He has such a profession - the Head of the LDPR faction in the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation.

[Basil50]

I propose to look at it objectively.
Zhirinovsky offers for sale the FOUNDER OF STATE.
THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE was destroyed by liberal democrats and other openly bought representatives of the then * elite *.
Bolsheviks under the leadership of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (Ulyanov), not afraid of difficulties, took power into their own hands and gathered the country AGAIN. Under the leadership of IOSIF VISSARIONOVICH STALIN they rebuilt then defended themselves from the Nazis with their hangers-on and rebuilt the SOVIET UNION.
A new wave of liberal democrats and others frankly bought from the current * elite * again destroyed the country and sold everything that was possible.
But they’re located, I don’t even know how to name them, .............................. who offer to sell in addition to raw materials and cultural property and the founder of the state.
If this one .............. is so hurt by budget worries, let him sell his kidneys, well, or his children-grandchildren, and let the money go to the treasury.
By the way, I have not heard ANY offer to sell saints or parts of their bodies, which the church periodically arranges for a tour * to enthuse people with the sweet babble of a mandolin *.
Something about the official church of the Jew Zhirinovsky’s language in * the right place.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vasily50

RUSSIAN EMPIRE destroyed by liberal democrats

They destroyed, sold, plundered, and now they also want to sell the founder. Oh! Where did Lavrenty Pavlovich go?

[4ekist]

He rotted like a sub-fence dog.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Vasily50

I propose to look at it objectively.

Good idea.
And Lenin and his mausoleum are part of our history, regardless of the attitude of different masses of people towards them. Having buried Lenin and razed the mausoleum with the earth, 1917 cannot be crossed out. I have a negative attitude to any options for correcting and tinting historical events. What was - was. And descendants have the right to objective information about the affairs of bygone days, whatever the role of their ancestors. So, let Ilyich lie to himself where he lies. And, if someone does not have enough money, then you can make an entrance to the mausoleum for foreigners paid. 10 Euros. Do not become poor.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vasily50

Zhirinovsky offers for sale the FOUNDER OF STATE.

And let's objectively. At what cost? As a result, the USSR was smaller than the Russian Empire. The intelligentsia as a class was destroyed in the bud. Who was nobody, he became everything. And then the Civil War, which for any state is not just a tragedy, but a rollback decades ago in development. I'm not talking about how many people died because of Lenin’s ideas.

Quote: Vasily50

Bolsheviks under the leadership of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (Ulyanov), not afraid of difficulties, took power into their own hands and gathered the country AGAIN,

This is the most obvious idiocy. To break something that worked and developed beautifully and then again to collect fragments already, not counting large territories. Just the top of genius.
At the same time, setting up the Red Terror, building the Gulag, and plunging the country into poverty and hunger. Just the top of peace and genius.
Lenin, however, like EBN with Mechnyi, must be executed twice for what they have done, and then buried somewhere so that even memories of them remain.

[Angelo Provolone]

The intelligentsia as a class was destroyed in the bud.

Of course not. Who was Lenin?
The top of the Bolsheviks is the intelligentsia, representatives who have not dumped abroad.

[reservist]

Quote: NEXUS

The intelligentsia as a class was destroyed in the bud.

it’s interesting what the older generation of his wife’s relatives would answer, some of them were awarded orders under the Soviet regime, born in the noble family of a military doctor ...

Who was nobody, he became everything.

if he was capable of it ...
in RI to get a higher education and "make a career" for a child from an ordinary peasant family was practically unrealistic ... in the USSR it was a common thing ...

At the same time arranging the Red Terror

as an answer to the White Terror ... Civil wars are usually the most brutal ...

building the gulags

so at the beginning of the enemies, the Soviet government let out honestly no longer fight against it ... but it seems that such a practice did not justify itself ...

his wife’s grandfather (from that same noble family) suffered a stomach stomach and dieting until his death, in 1942 they tried to poison the entire workshop of the Katyusha production plant ... they probably had to be scolded by poisoners and told not to be naughty with poison again?

[New Year day]

Quote: NEXUS

And let's objectively. At what cost? As a result, the USSR was smaller than the Russian Empire.

let's reason in another plane.
Was RI able to avoid the February Revolution? - No
What were the chances of its preservation if essays and cadets remained in power? ”“ I don’t know.
Why did Lenin win against the cadets and essays? - Because he turned out to be smarter and more cunning than them.
As a result: the process of the disintegration of RI is objective and the strongest have taken advantage of its fruits.
So it was not Lenin who destroyed RI, but near-power persons, generals. Lenin simply lifted power from the earth

[Basil50]

There are statistics from the RUSSIAN EMPIRE on child mortality, on hunger, on education, on health care, but there are no statistics on convicts, prisoners, executed. But if you can still find at least something by criminals and political, then EVERYTHING is strictly classified in church prisons and is still hiding.
Today's sufferers for the * victims of the Bolsheviks * do not know and do not want to know that ALL prisoners in the RUSSIAN EMPIRE must be flogged, only nobles were allowed to avoid corporal punishment.
I tried to find the numbers of those who were hanged and shot by military teams sent to pacify the unrest and there is no data either, so the mention of the fact that in EACH village village were hanged and shot by several men, the rest of the population, including women and children from seven years old, flogged everyone, without exception.
There was a case when the soldiers of the imperial army refused to shoot the workers, they were subjected to * executions * for this, and there is evidence of the king’s statement - * It’s a pity, it was necessary to shoot *.
Three hundred years of the history of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE, in addition to glorious deeds, contains the blood of millions of tortured, burned, executed, starved to death. That's just for the day haters of RUSSIA it is not interesting.

[Simargl]

Quote: Vasily50

That's just for the day haters of RUSSIA it is not interesting.

It’s rather not convenient

[sniperino]

Quote: Vasily50

THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE was destroyed by liberal democrats and other openly bought representatives of the then * elite *.

Liberals signed Brest Peace?

[Simargl]

Quote: sniperino

Liberals signed Brest Peace?

And who made it necessary to sign it? Who ruined the army and the front?

[sniperino]

Quote: Simargl

Quote: sniperino

Liberals signed Brest Peace?

And who made it necessary to sign it? Who ruined the army and the front?

The one who put forward the political slogan: turn the imperialist war into a civil war (Lenin PSS edition 5 volume 26); those who campaigned in the army urged soldiers to kill officers, fraternize with the Germans, pick up weapons and desert. The Bolsheviks spread out the army, which was a stone's throw from the surrender of the enemy and could be among the winners, and the February revolution only facilitated the work of agitators and accelerated the process.

[Simargl]

Quote: sniperino

those who campaigned in the army urged soldiers to kill officers, fraternize with the Germans, pick up weapons and desert.

Who is this? You know a bad story.
The army was decomposed before the October Revolution!

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Dead Day

sell yourself, on the "Leningrad", old senile.

Yes, he sells himself for a long time and regularly.
And it would be better once and immediately for a scarecrow.

[Pug]

Quote: Dead Day

sell yourself, on the "Leningrad", old senile.

Zhirik for this needs to be put up for sale itself, in general the language has remained without bones or sniffed something ..

[The point]

It is better to then determine in the Kunstkamera or in the chamber of weights and measures as a standard of empty talkativeness (1 fat, 1 fat).

[albert]

Quote: Dead Day

sell yourself, on the "Leningrad", old senile.

Zhirik himself on the bodies to sell, the country and the budget will definitely be better.

[Simargl]

Quote: albert

Zhirik himself on the bodies to sell, the country and the budget will definitely be better.

Firstly, from the mouth of this jester the ultimate aspirations of the elite are heard (whom will we later deceive as the jester? Not Dimona?), And secondly, he even composted - so-so stuff ...

[Brigadier]

I would correct a little.
When Zhirinovsky has nothing to do ...

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Brigadier

When Zhirinovsky has nothing to do ...

Or a cat. ) He sells gas and oil ... Vladimir Volfovich just with humor.
He looks at this circus and jokes so as not to cry.
I'm tired of the absurdity.
How many will be punished to mock Russia and its people without punishment?
Well, thieves and mediocrity rule !!! How did this happen? !!!
What kind of May decrees ... What year are these decrees? .. Pension reform, mother of her tudes .. Constitution for use in the toilet. I hear about this periodically .. How long will this nonsense continue? ..
Do we live in illusion? ..
Stop this tram, I'll get off.

[mitroha]

Zhirinovsky- "In France, a businessman wants to sell the painting La Gioconda. We could sell Lenin's mummy."

What self-isolation does to people

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Mitroha

Zhirinovsky- "In France, a businessman wants to sell the painting La Gioconda. We could sell Lenin's mummy."

What self-isolation does to people

Answer me, quote another .. What is the matter with you?
Then the site admin wanted to ban me, until the second arrival)))
Is that what?)

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

He personally does not sell, but in my small homeland the ghouls were sold to several collective farms, or rather land units, thereby deceiving people and with the current government this year 2006, under the cover of mandates of deputies of this ghoul people would be glad to object to agriculture, but no, the land is not theirs, and it’s already sprouted with forest and weeds, but how many such representatives of the country are there? It’s not even wolves in sheep’s clothing, but real jackals, you can safely put a fat minus. I have everything. ps Personally, I didn’t put a minus to you, everyone has an opinion.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich

Personally, I didn’t set you a minus, everyone has his own opinion.

I understand you completely.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Brigadier

When Zhirinovsky has nothing to do ..

All yard dogs begin to howl.

[LeonidL]

The idea is good, but technically just not feasible! Well, he does not reach the genitals because of the belly! It may, however, lick strangers.

[Thrifty]

I offer Wolfovich to sell Israel, or there, the United States!

[Stas157]

Quote: Thrifty

I offer Wolfovich to sell Israel, or there, the United States!

But first, mummify. A scarecrow in the price would probably be even more expensive!

[Alex Justice]

I offer Wolfovich to sell Israel, or there, the United States!

Ukraine. A cheerful bouquet will turn out Saakashvili, Zelensky and Zhirinovsky.

[Valerikk]

But who needs it there! There are enough idiots there.
Alas, the Zhirik is our cross; you cannot push it out of here with a tank.

[kjhg]

Quote: Thrifty

I offer Wolfovich to sell Israel, or there, the United States!

The king will not allow it. He himself needs some clowns, artists, and athletes. Otherwise, I would not have gathered them for so many years around me. Against their background, he feels himself a man.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich

When the cat has nothing to do ...

Damn, and these are the words of the head of the faction of the State Duma party !!! And we chose these ..... laughter through tears !!! It’s better to rent out !!! And sorry for my rudeness, along with the whole zoo for 450 seats !!!!!!!

[Stas157]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

together with the whole zoo with 450 seats

So Putin that zoo exclusively picked up for himself. Putin himself loves to ride on the topic of Lenin in a negative way. Remember the laying of mines and atomic bombs. Here Putin and Zhirinovsky (the tsar with a jester) think in the same paradigm.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

It’s better to rent out !!! And sorry for my rudeness, along with the whole zoo for 450 seats !!!!!!!

Excuse me ... How will the zoo function in isolation from the upper house?

Need your further explanation?

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

And sorry for my rudeness, along with the whole zoo for 450 seats !!!!!!!

Taki not all 450 - a zoo.

[Far B]

It’s useless to put up Zhirinovsky for sale, anyway, no one will buy it. Offer to give it free. In the clinic. For experiments. Without waiting for the flippers to wrap.

[Insurgent]

Zhirinovsky proposes to put the body of Lenin on sale "to replenish the budget"

"The older the worse"... It is regrettable that Vladimir Volfovich falls into insanity.

In previous years, he also sometimes foolish himself about stupidities, but this is too much obvious even for his eccentricity.

[Severok]

Unfortunately, this is not insanity. This is his usual state, as a representative of the State Duma. They are all there: narrow-minded, greedy, stupid bedding. It’s just not yet clear who they are laying under, adopting laws on digitalization, pension plans, and many others, not popular, and sometimes openly boorish towards the peoples of Russia ...

[Vend]

Of course, I understand that if you arrange an auction, the amount will not be small, but selling Lenin is nonsense. It is already necessary to bury this person who entered the history of Russia, and it would be nice to create a memorial. In Russia there are many people who sincerely respect him, it would be good for them to come and pay tribute to them.

[iouris]

Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich

When the cat

.... nothing more to sell.

[Campanella]

He is no longer a cat, but this does not change the essence of the power vertical.

[Ka-52]

Yes, you need to bury the mummy already. And do not arrange a circus with her. Although Volodya was a militant atheist, we are not atheists

[Hagen]

Quote: Ka-52

Yes, you need to bury the mummy already.

Do you want to knock some parts of the people around this person with their heads? Want to complete tasks from your "neighbors"? Is Lenin lying to himself, bothering anyone? So let it lie. There is a part of the population for whom this is important. Don't bother them with little things.

[Ka-52]

You want to shove foreheads some parts of the people around this person

oh how Leninists got excited. Already threw cons According to Christian tradition, the body should be buried, as far as I know. And then, at first, for decades, they clowned a corpse with the bridegroom, and now they turned everything into a show. And the main thing is to consider putting the body to burial as a crime, and a circus with a corpse - well, as it were, a normal situation, it's okay ....

[Angelo Provolone]

Zhirinovites were just excited.

[Ka-52]

Zhirinovites were just excited.

in Zhirinovites, permanent arousal does not pass. With such a leader But you, Leninists, can’t defeat idolatry in any way. And it sometimes surprises

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Hah, and now this is not happening ???

[New Year day]

Quote: Ka-52

But you, Leninists, can’t defeat idolatry in any way.

Is it really about Lenin? It's about the history of the country! You also easily abandoned the leading role of the CPSU (b) in the Second World War, fanned the Mausoleum, then removed the portraits of the marshals from the Regiment, then threw Stalin into the dustbin of history, and then ... Kolyazurengoy appeared, then more.

[Constructor68]

Do not compare the worship of this sadist (Lenin) and the memory of those killed in the Second World War

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Ka-52

According to Christian tradition, the body should be buried, as far as I know. And then, at first, for decades, they clowned a corpse with the bridegroom, and now they turned everything into a show. And the main thing is to consider putting the body to burial as a crime, and a circus with a corpse - well, as it were, a normal situation, it's okay ....

Each has its own temple. The relics of saints lying in the churches do not bother you, and the body of Lenin in the Mausoleum does not let you sleep. Zhirik survives from the mind and, in addition to a cap with LDPR symbols, there is nothing to take from him. In the process, he wants to free a place for himself in the Mausoleum. Calm down and engage in tailoring of disposable masks, there will be more sense. And yet, yes, from the point of view of filling the budget of Moscow, the presence of Lenin’s body is much more profitable than his absence, since for hundreds of thousands of Chinese and Vietnamese tourists who come to Moscow, visiting the Mausoleum is a priority goal.

[Ka-52]

Each has its own temple. The relics of saints lying in the churches do not bother you,

Nerobsky, when you write, you don’t even try to comprehend what is written. Well, let's say the relics of the saints. They lie in the temple, that is, on the consecrated ground. They lie in sarcophagi and crypts. From the point of view of Christianity (although I am far from being so religious as to go into theological disputes) this is normal. But for Lenin, a personal pantheon was hoisted up and for decades people walked and looked at the corpse (as in the Kunskamera) of a man who brought hunger, devastation, terror, the loss of part of the territories and the death of millions of citizens to Russia along with the revolution.

and the body of Lenin in the Mausoleum does not allow sleep.

Yes, I do not care where he lies. Do you think it matters to me? I just recalled that there are human customs, customs that came with culture. And in them the body of the deceased is buried. And if it is important for you to stare at the corpse in the pantheon - well, please, I have nothing against it. There are more strange deviations

[codetalker]

I just recalled that there are human customs, customs that came with culture. And in them the body of the deceased is buried

The burial is precisely in the instillation? Why then were the remains of monarchs not interred? In all the rest ... Lenin's body is in a coffin underground. At the cemetery. You can explain the difference with the remains of Peter I, which tourists also go to look at in thousands.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Ka-52

Nerobskywhen you write ......

Shkodnik Syndrome ?! Well, a little boy, as a child, swears on the walls and fences were painted, and here they distorted the nickname - almost "mushchina"!

Quote: Ka-52

Well, let's say the relics of the saints. They lie in the temple, that is, on the consecrated ground. They lie in sarcophagi and crypts. From the point of view of Christianity (although I am far from being so religious as to go into theological disputes) this is normal.

It is not normal to disassemble common relics into their constituent parts and expose human fragments.

Quote: Ka-52

I just recalled that there are human customs, customs that came with culture.

With European culture? It is there that you will find a bunch of crypts and catacombs where, from the time of the Middle Ages, there have been half-decayed corpses in ancient clothes, which account for thousands open to tourists. And here, around Lenin alone, crowds of rabid liberotas rage about him, who cannot forgive him for the fact that he was able to knock out the bourgeoisie and build a socially just state.

[Ka-52]

And here, around Lenin alone, crowds of rabid liberotas rage about him, who cannot forgive him for the fact that he was able to knock out the bourgeoisie and build a socially just state.

I understand, of course, that you, as a staunch communist, can now begin to carry the nonsense that we, cadets, were forced to study while studying at the Tambov Higher Military School. About the victory of communism, happiness and equality. But I repeat once again, thanks to your idol, before the onset of happiness and equality, such a small surprise was formed in the form of the collapse of the country. I understand that for you, a communist, brought up in the spirit of the slogans: "He who is not with us, is against us! The forest is cut down - chips are flying!" the death of millions of people is just a small speck of pigeon droppings on the shiny lapel of a jacket. By the way, even in the era of socialism with equality and happiness, it was not so cloudy either. Someone was more equal than others, like Orwell's. In our regiment, if you are not a party member, then you fuck, not a promotion. You go to retirement as a captain and even a squadron will not trust you. May you be a pilot from God.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Ka-52

But I repeat once again, thanks to your idol, before the onset of happiness and equality, such a small unexpected person was formed in the form of a collapse of the country.

In addition to the history of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, there are quite a few other, alternative sources covering the period when the "idol" came to power. You don't have to be seven spans in your forehead, so as not to understand one simple truth - the Tsar was overthrown by the bourgeoisie and the Provisional Government, which really led the country to collapse and disintegration, and Lenin still seized power from the Provisional Government, which was unable to keep this power ...

Quote: Ka-52

I understand that for you, a communist, brought up in the spirit of the slogans: "He who is not with us is against us! The forest is cut down - the chips are flying!" the death of millions of people is just a small speck of pigeon droppings on the shiny lapel of a jacket.

Hmm !!! ??? Communist and lapel jacket ?! Yes, my friend, we are proletarians and cobblestones are our weapons. In the French, you know, throwing cobblestones is impossible.

Quote: Ka-52

By the way, even in the era of socialism with equality and happiness, not everything was so cloudy either. Someone was more equal than the others, like Orwell’s.

I do not argue. There was a certain party nomenclature, there were special rations, there were country dachas, but there was more justice and truth. OBKHSS worked and periodically high thieves' foreheads were smeared with green stuff and shot for especially large thefts of social property, and the position of "Brezhnev's son-in-law" did not save them from prison. Here the people stole all the resources and factories in bulk and nothing, these are no longer thieves, but businessmen, honorable people, only a little frightened by the possible resurrection of the spirit of Lenin, which, in order to heighten their tranquility, it would also be necessary to bury it, so that the "wrong" people suddenly I remembered his main slogan - "Power to the people, land to peasants, factories to workers!"

Quote: Ka-52

In our regiment, if you are not a party member, then to you hell, but not promotion. You go to retirement in the captains and even the squadron will not trust you.

Well, she came up, the basis of your insult to the Soviets!

[Ka-52]

Yes, my friend, we are proletarians and cobblestones are our weapons. In the French, you know, throwing cobblestones is impossible.

come on, comrade Schwonder, don't be discouraged. Stories about the modest and ascetic life of the communist elite, as if they were not always true
The most disgusting thing that hurt you is the phrase about the French, but not about millions of ruined lives

Well, she came up, the basis of your insult to the Soviets!

do not pick out such conclusions from your nose. It's not about resentment, but about a statement of fact. Partisanship was a certain way to enter paradise. Not thanks to intelligence, knowledge, skills, but a red crust. This is the kind of "nepotism". As is happening now with United Russia.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Ka-52

come on, comrade Schwonder, don't be discouraged.

Quote: Ka-52

do not pick out such conclusions from your nose.

Well, here again. Why don’t you value yourself so much? I’ll survive Shvonder, but your reputation suffers. Nerves to hell! How were you allowed to fly with such nervousness and quarrelsome nature? Did not try to build a dialogue without resorting to trying to somehow prick your opponent? Work on yourself, as an interlocutor you are not interesting to me

[Ka-52]

Nerves to hell!

Well, this is your life. They sat at the party committee behind a red tablecloth, filled out protocols that nobody needed — not life, but raspberries. With the advent of perestroika, they quickly changed their shoes into bankers and entrepreneurs, and again raspberry life. Somehow I got a brochure about 10-15 years ago in the waste paper - a list of regional committee workers. Baaa, yes there is not a former secretary of the regional committee, then a banker. What a dramatic change in principles! And you are blowing my ears about happiness and equality

Did not try to build a dialogue without resorting to trying to somehow prick your opponent?

tried it. With those who do not lie, it turns out pretty successfully. And with people like you - alas ....

as an interlocutor you are not interesting to me

I understand you perfectly. You would give such interlocutors who will read your nonsense and assent. excuse me

[sniperino]

Quote: Ka-52

With the advent of perestroika, they quickly changed their shoes into bankers and entrepreneurs, and again raspberry life.

Party secretaries - in bankers, and the young change - Komsomol organizers - in show business and "business schools" as part of it (shows in education).

[Campanella]

Wipe your eyes with a binge! You’re carrying a blizzard here about the victims ... A victim of post-Soviet propaganda.
Study the history of the country, there were so many victims before Lenin, and even more in the west. And how many of your democrats have killed the people with their capital revolution you can see and you’re not sure, Mr. Ghoul.
Click here with a mummy like a ram.

[reservist]

Quote: Ka-52

In our regiment, if you are not a party member, then to you hell, but not promotion. You go to retirement in the captains and even the squadron will not trust you. May you be a pilot from God.

my father had the same garbage in the research institute, without a membership card you can’t jump higher than the head sector ...
I think that in the Russian Empire it was hardly possible to make a career in the civil service, openly adhering to anti-monarchist views
probably all states with one-party systems suffer from this garbage ...

[Gardamir]

Each has its own temple.

That's it, this Ka-52 (Andrew), it’s enough to pray to them at the Temple of Democracy. Boris Yeltsin. Namely, Yeltsin worshipers spit in the Mausoleum.

[Ka-52]

I spit on your Boris One schizophrenic plunged the country into the abyss of the Civil War, and another sold it and drank it. And you, like that crow, rush around, don’t know which of them will be beaten

[Chief Engineer]

Dear, you have obvious gaps with knowledge of the history of the Motherland, read, understand, my advice to you.

[Ka-52]

Dear, you with obvious knowledge of the history of the Motherland can see

not respected, I'm not going to learn history your homeland. It is good that there was no civil war, famine and devastation of the 20s.

[Chief Engineer]

Well, then be a non-respected, just funny, stupid person.

[New Year day]

Quote: Ka-52

I spit on your Boris

you spit on everyone, but get into yourself
Mikhail Lomonosov: “A nation that does not know its past has no future”

[Private-K]

Quote: Gardamir

just pray at the temple of democracy to them. Boris Yeltsin. Namely, Yeltsin worshipers spit in the Mausoleum.

So in the Yeltsin centers, the history of Russia is presented EXACTLY ALSO as the Bolshevik-Leninists submitted it.

[knn54]

"The son of a lawyer," however.
I would like to note a couple of points:
- a great hostility to the Communist Party and Zyuganov personally.
-the itch in power (whose mouthpiece was and is Zhirinovsky) about the Lenin Mausoleum, from 1945 and the Victory Mausoleum, in general.
In fact, spitting, at least for an era in our history.

[Ka-52]

In fact, spitting, at least for an era in our history.

this era, as you put it, the inhabitant of this mausoleum filled the brim with hunger, terror and the death of innocent people. If for this, in your opinion, he is worthy of becoming a cult, then of course let him lie))

[Private-K]

Quote: knn54

"The son of a lawyer," however.

And who is Ulyanov-Blank?

[Private-K]

Hey, petty minusers - can you say something, can you answer me at least?
And it is possible and necessary to mention with negative that Zhirik’s father is Jewish. Although, what's wrong with that?
But to mention that Lenin is a Jew - nizz! Is this somehow insulting and belittling Ulyanov-Blanc known to us by his blogger pseudonym "Nikolai Lenin"?

[mark2]

According to Christian tradition, the body should be buried, as far as I know

This is you tell the Christians who mummies saints around the world ride

[Ka-52]

This is you tell the Christians who mummies saints around the world ride

in any course there are extremes and radicalism. For example, people were burned at the stake in the Middle Ages, waged wars in the name of faith, now houses and churches in the name of faith are being blown up. I expressed my personal opinion of the person to whom all these extremes with dances around already dead bodies seem delirious of people whose mind is still stuck in the dark ages. And I am surprised at how much such obscurantism is in VO. The memory of a person is important, not the appearance of his corpse or a piece of his flesh. And you are like savages

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Ka-52

oh how Leninists got excited. Already threw minuses.

Quote: Angelo Provolone

Zhirinovites were just excited.

How did you get all the Leninists, Zhirinovites, green, white and gray-brown-raspberry!
There is nothing more to do !!! Princes, kings and emperors lie in their sarcophagi, in the Lenin mausoleum, in the graves of the general secretary to bow and for the sake of curiosity different people come to them !!! Well, God forbid, to each his own !!! I’ll go dig a ditch!
Regards, Vlad.
P.S. My heart breaks when my respected members of the forum, after a century, begin to cut on knives for white and red !!!

[Brylevsky]

My heart breaks when my respected members of the forum, after a century, begin to cut on knives for white and red !!!

It's because class the struggle is eternal. And with the aggravation of social tension, it escalates ...

[New Year day]

Quote: Brylevsky

the class struggle is eternal.

Are there classes in Russia?

[Simargl]

Quote: Silvestr

Are there classes in Russia?

De jure or de facto?

[Far B]

The tomb of Lenin corresponds exactly to the Christian custom. The body is below ground level. Zealous of Christian customs, but you do not know the basics. And let us burrow all the holy relics into the earth, otherwise this custom looks absolutely wild, and the deceased hardly approves when his carcass is dismantled for parts and pulled apart in different directions.

[Ka-52]

The tomb of Lenin corresponds exactly to the Christian custom. The body is below ground level.

yes calm down you already. Let your idol lie. Pray for him, do not stop.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Ka-52

According to Christian tradition

Quote: Ka-52

was Volodya a militant atheist

It first.
How to bury him, our ancestors decided, the same

Quote: Ka-52

atheists

This is the second.
Red Square, together with the Mausoleum, which is now under plywood, is included in the UNESCO World Heritage List.

Criterion VI. From the 200th century until the founding of St. Petersburg, the Kremlin was directly and materially connected with all the important events of Russian history. The 1918-year period of oblivion ended in XNUMX, when it again became the seat of government; Today it houses the Council of Ministers of the USSR, the Presidium of the Supreme Council and the Palace of Congresses. The Lenin Mausoleum on Red Square is a prime example of symbolic monumental architecture. In order to proclaim the universal significance of the Russian revolution, funeral urns with the ashes of the heroes of the revolution were walled up in the Kremlin walls between the Nikolskaya and Spasskaya towers. The indicated place combines in itself an exclusively preserved historical heritage and modern symbols of one of the greatest events of modern history.

This is the third.

[Ka-52]

This is the third.

I already wrote to one above: Calm down, you are already with your idol. You can even smash your forehead about him.

together with the Mausoleum, which is now under plywood, is included in the UNESCO World Heritage List.

is the mummified corpse inside this "monumental architecture" also included in the UNESCO heritage?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Ka-52

I already wrote to one above: Calm down, you are already with your idol. You can even smash your forehead about him.

He is not an idol for me, but one of the most significant people in the history of the country.

Quote: Ka-52

UNESCO World Heritage Site?

Contact UNESCO for this. The mausoleum enters, like the Cathedral of the Blessed.

[Ka-52]

He is not an idol for me

if you want a mummified corpse of a man worshiped in the heart of Russia, then it means an idol for you. Well, explain - how can one be sane and worship a mummy in the 21st century?

one of the most significant people in the history of the country.

significant on what basis? Only without clichés like "He is the leader of the world proletariat."

The mausoleum enters, like the Cathedral of the Blessed.

The mausoleum comes in - I see. Is the corpse included? What are you sending me to UNESCO? I did not cite it as an example and did not discuss the architectural value of the Mausoleum as a building.

[New Year day]

Quote: Ka-52

how can one be sane and worship the mummy in the 21st century?

and who worships? Is there a queue in the Mausoleum?

Quote: Ka-52

significant by what principle?

by the principle of construction of the STATE. We leave out the discussion of the state model

Quote: Ka-52

The mausoleum comes in - I see. Is the corpse included?

and built a mausoleum for whose body? It is inextricable! Although you do not like it. There is no pal on taste and color

[Hagen]

Quote: Ka-52

oh how Leninists got excited.

I think you knew that it would be so, and specifically provoke this excitement. What for? What is your goal?

[Ka-52]

I think you knew that this will happen, and specifically provoke this excitement

Too often I have spoken out against our neoliberals. It is time to step on the sacred egg of the Communists. There they jumped

[New Year day]

Quote: Ka-52

Too often I have spoken out against our neoliberals. It is time to step on the sacred egg of the Communists.

I want to disappoint you, these are the same faces. Have you still not noticed this?

[reservist]

Quote: Ka-52

According to Christian tradition, the body should be buried, as far as I know.

Tombs of the Romanov dynasty in the Archangel Cathedral of the Kremlin.

[Ka-52]

Tombs of the Romanov dynasty in the Archangel Cathedral of the Kremlin.

Well? They are according to the Christian rite in church crypt. Or is it difficult for you, Alexei, to figure out - how is the cathedral (church) different from the pagan pyramid from the point of view of the Christian religion? Learned to google pictures, but in any way to think?

[reservist]

Is it difficult for you, Andrey, to realize that the idea of ​​burial in the mausoleum was simply borrowed?
Of course, you can call the mausoleum "pagan pyramid", but what will change from this ...
try to offer to bury the relics of the saints - there will be "an insult to the feelings of believers", but is it possible to insult the feelings of another part of society?
to think in any way?

[Ka-52]

try to offer to bury the relics of the saints - there will be "an insult to the feelings of believers", but is it possible to insult the feelings of another part of society?
to think in any way?

What are you stupid parrots all three about relics? Is it about the relics of saints? We are talking about the mummy of a person lying in the very center of the country who brought her (the country) only colossal sacrifices and suffering!

try to offer to bury the relics of the saints - there will be "an insult to the feelings of believers", but is it possible to insult the feelings of another part of society?
to think in any way?

what part of your body do you think when writing these lines? That is, you equate the body of a sadist and executioner of Russia with the subject of worship?

Was the idea of ​​burial in the mausoleum simply borrowed?

nonsense that only an illiterate person could write. Firstly, I recall - Ulyanov was a militant atheist. And any questions about references to the religious method of burial are simply ridiculous. Secondly, the overwhelming majority of CEC members who made the decision to embalm were atheists. Thirdly, I recall that the funeral pyramids were only in ancient pagan cultures, such as Ancient Egypt, Assyria, China, Mexico and so on.

[reservist]

Quote: Ka-52

We are talking about the mummy of the person lying in the very center of the country who brought her (the country) colossal sacrifices and suffering alone!

You must admit that there is no single assessment in our society, for someone a villain, for someone a genius ...
Is it really only sacrifice and suffering? Did kings live better?

... funeral pyramids were only in ancient pagan cultures, such as Ancient Egypt, Assyria, China, Mexico and so on.

well, suppose the cults of the gods of the Indians from South America are not so ancient ...
I’ll even suppose that if it weren’t for the Christian colonialists, it would be possible for these religions to hold out to our days ...

why doesn’t anyone get the idea to remove the mummy of the Buddhist lama Itigelov from the Ivolginsky datsan in Buryatia? Or the remains of Ivan the Terrible from the Archangel Cathedral?

[Ka-52]

You must admit that there is no single assessment in our society, for someone a villain, for someone a genius ...

and genius can be a villain. Everyone agrees with Hitler’s assessment of the outstanding leadership and organizational qualities. But they only served as a maniac and their result was genocide.

Is it really only sacrifice and suffering? Did kings live better?

the concept of "lived" here does not fit as an assessment. Under none of the last three kings there was a civil war with such victims (Vicki):

A total of 2 were killed and died of wounds.
2 died as a result of terror
6 died of hunger and epidemics
Total killed 10 million
2 emigrated
Total losses 12 500 000
In pre-revolutionary Russia there was a fairly strong peasantry, industry developed, although with a lag behind the leading powers, but with confidence. And your picture is about nothing, stupid trolling. Poverty (or the poor) existed and exists in all countries and in all ages. Or do you, satisfying breakfast, retell the words of my parents, who in the 25-30s of the last century still cooked quinoa and potato peelings?

well, suppose the cults of the gods of the Indians from South America are not so ancient ...
I’ll even suppose that if it weren’t for the Christian colonialists, it would be possible for these religions to hold out to our days ...

you like to pull by the ears Civilizations of Central America existed in the same era as the beginning of the formation of Russia. But for some reason, in history there is an expression Ancient Russia, and with regard to Maya you consider them not so ancient

why doesn’t anyone get the idea to remove the mummy of the Buddhist lama Itigelov from the Ivolginsky datsan in Buryatia? Or the remains of Ivan the Terrible from the Archangel Cathedral?

you are like an old cemetery horse I repeat again in the last. In terms of religion, their relics are in a holy place. This is a temple, church, cathedral, datsan, church, church. And here the mummy of an inveterate atheist is in a structure that in no way belongs to the Christian religion. Yes, and in the main square of the country. Let yourself lie in Simbirsk, the current Ulyanovsk.

[reservist]

Quote: Ka-52

Everyone agrees with Hitler’s assessment of the outstanding leadership and organizational qualities.

not all ... I now think that he did not have enough intelligence:
- to stop at the stage of unification of the German lands ... there was an opportunity to create a strong state, which after some time would "crush" its neighbors with its potential, but here it was necessary to get "everything at once" ...
- start fighting on two fronts, although Germany already had the experience of the First World War, i.e. under the leadership of this "outstanding leader" the Germans stepped on the same rake for the second time ...
- starting the war against the USSR, the goal was not to seize resources, but to seize territories, as if Napoleon had not been to Moscow before him ...

Under none of the last three kings there was a civil war with such victims

and there were no such losses as in the First World War

In pre-revolutionary Russia there was a fairly strong peasantry

according to the same wiki:

in 1912, horseless farms accounted for 32% of all peasant farms

industry developed, although lagging behind the leading powers, but confidently.

and how did it happen that in the Republic of Ingushetia with a steadily developing industry, with the beginning of the First World War, they were unable to provide a sufficient number of army boots or shells ...

Poverty (or the poor) existed and exists in all countries and in all ages.

Yes, it did exist and it will continue to exist ... the question is, in what quantity ...

Or do you, satisfying breakfast, retell the words of my parents, who in the 25-30s of the last century still cooked quinoa and potato peelings?

firstly - no need for speculation about my breakfasts ...
secondly, let me remind you of your words about the fact that "there was a poor population ..."

Civilizations of Central America existed in the same era as the beginning of the formation of Russia. But for some reason, in history there is an expression Ancient Russia, and with regard to Maya you consider them not so ancient

in 1697, the Spaniards subjugated the last independent Mayan city of Tayyasal
Peter the Great went with the Embassy to Europe this year ...

you are like an old cemetery horse

and you, as an old shabby parrot, talk about what is permissible and what is not from the point of view of the Christian religion, as if there could be no other beliefs besides it ...

[Ka-52]

not all ... I now think that he did not have enough intelligence:
- to stop at the stage of unification of the German lands ... there was an opportunity to create a strong state, which after some time would "crush" its neighbors with its potential, but here it was necessary to get "everything at once" ...

he had a mind, but the maniac prevailed. Lenin was also a maniac, just his mania was different. From a young age he was obsessed with the idea of ​​a proletarian revolution and walked towards it, ignoring the victims. Moreover, even before the revolution, he approved and even insisted on revolutionary terrorism, considering the expropriation (simply robbery) and the killing of public servants to be correct. And after 1917 he turned around in full.

- start fighting on two fronts, although Germany already had the experience of the First World War, i.e. under the leadership of this "outstanding leader" the Germans stepped on the same rake for the second time ...

Well, the idea of ​​revenge was not unique to Hitler. And Barbaross’s plan was not his idea. It was all about blitzkrieg strategy. The idea itself may not be bad from a military point of view. And even in the case of the rest of the European countries, it paid off - the defeat of the states took place so quickly that the world reaction could not keep up. The USSR saved the stamina of its defenders (not fully taken into account) and the size of the pie. Therefore, this is more likely a mistake of the General Staff planning the offensive.

and there were no such losses as in the First World War

but what does the 1st world? The participation of the Republic of Ingushetia in the 1st World War is due to allied obligations. There is no blame for the political leadership of Russia.

secondly, let me remind you of your words about the fact that "there was a poor population ..."

those. you consider the presence of a poor and starving population in the Republic of Ingushetia a crime of tsarism, and you consider poverty and hunger of the 20-30s of the 20th century to be something unimportant. This is where the savagery of the communist worldview manifests itself. We consider the gendarmes of the Republic of Ingushetia as executioners (the death penalty in the Republic of Ingushetia - until 100 people per year), and the NKVD - fighters for the purity of the ranks of Soviet citizens (681 692 death sentences were pronounced for only 2 years - 1937-1938).

in 1697, the Spaniards subjugated the last independent Mayan city of Tayyasal
Peter the Great went with the Embassy to Europe this year

we are talking about the heyday of Mayan civilization, the fruit of which was the appearance of those architectural masterpieces like the Kukulkan pyramids. And this period ended when Oleg sailed to Kiev.

and you, as an old shabby parrot, talk about what is permissible and what is not from the point of view of the Christian religion, as if there could be no other beliefs besides it ...

can. Let's bury the followers of the pasta god on Red Square. Are you by any chance a pastafarian?

[Olgovich]

Quote: Hagen

Do you want to push foreheads on some parts of the people around this person?

I also think that selling is impossible!

For this is a valuable exhibit of the Museum. Peter the Great on the University Embankment.

[Angelo Provolone]

You are responsible for yourself ...

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Angelo Provolone

You are responsible for yourself ...

Did your grandfather fight in the "Death's Head" division?

[Angelo Provolone]

Did your grandfather fight in the "Death's Head" division?

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[codetalker]

What for? He is already underground and in a coffin. Do you need to bury? But do not need to bury the remains of our monarchs and clergy who rest in various temples? I do not suggest, I just want to understand the difference. Why does everything suit everyone in the second case, and in the first case, an urgent need to be buried?

[Mikhail m]

And what to do with the relics of saints, scattered in pieces? It’s unlikely that they can even be put together for burial. Except in some cases when relics are typed on several skeletons.

[Angelo Provolone]

Plus. Only now it is necessary to be more careful at the "turns". And then we have feelings ... very common among some fellow citizens

[Brylevsky]

Why does everything suit everyone in the second case, and in the first case, an urgent need to be buried?

Perhaps because in Christian culture it is customary to "kiss the relics", in particular, in Orthodoxy - this is the norm. Actually, for this, the relics are exhibited in the temples. Someone believes that by kissing them, the patient will receive healing from the disease, someone does not believe ... I read that there were cases of healing and some people even went on pilgrimage specifically for this. But I do not know of a single case when the patient was healed by "kissing" the "relics" of Lenin, such is the rebus ... There is a historical anecdote in the church environment: in those days when the mausoleum was still wooden, an incident happened in it - by For some unknown reason, it was a little "flooded" by the sewage system ... When it was reported to some archbishop, he said: "By the relics and myrrh."

[codetalker]

Hmm ... Who was healed by the remains of Emperor Peter II, who are in the Archangel Cathedral of the Kremlin, within walking distance of the mausoleum?

[Brylevsky]

Is he a saint? When was he canonized? I was referring to the relics of saints, not mummies.

[codetalker]

But in various temples are the remains of not only saints. Heads of state of different eras, their associates, etc. Do they also need to be pulled from there and instilled somewhere?

[Brylevsky]

But in various temples are the remains of not only saints. Heads of state of different eras, their associates, etc.

Give examples.

[codetalker]

See above. The remains of Emperor Peter II in the Archangel Cathedral of the Moscow Kremlin.

[Brylevsky]

Is this the only example? I find it difficult to answer what his remains are doing there. As far as I know, he is not considered a saint. Moreover, the question of his canonization was not even raised.

[codetalker]

The point is not holiness. This is not the only example. In St. Petersburg, how many Romanovs in the temple have thus rested. The fact is that there is a tradition of dealing with the remains of significant statesmen in a special way. In the era when Christianity was not only our faith, but also played the role of state ideology - the remains of state leaders found their place in temples. In the era when Christianity ceased to be a state ideology (without ceasing to be our faith), the remains of statesmen acted a little differently. All of them are not “buried” in the ground. All of them are part of the history of our country. Why it is urgent to run into vandalism and selectively drag one of them out and bury it is not clear to me.

[bober1982]

The fact is that the Archangel Cathedral is the tomb of Russian rulers from the Rurik dynasty and the first Romanovs.
The custom of the burial of Russian tsars and grand dukes in the church came to Russia from Byzantium.

[codetalker]

This custom was embodied in the burial of Lenin. With some features of that time.

[bober1982]

Quote: codetalker

This custom was embodied in the burial of Lenin. With some features of that time.

These are your affairs, by the way, the position of the Russian Orthodox Church on this issue is very balanced, namely, do not throw anyone out of the mausoleum.
Zhirinovsky is an old provocateur.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Brylevsky

Is he a saint? When was he canonized? I was referring to the relics of saints, not mummies.

If my memory fails in the Assumption Cathedral of the Kremlin, the remains of Dmitry Donskoy are buried. Question have they cured anyone?
As for relics, this is a separate issue. In the period from 1998 to 1999, a study of the relics was conducted in the temples of the Church of England. The project was closed with a scandal when one of the eligible candidates made a reservation to the local press that, in general, 2 of the 3 relics were not related to people, and of the remaining ones, one third had exclusive markers related to holy relics (gender, age, etc.).
Of course, our Orthodox Church, the most correct (at least in the scandals with pork cartilage did not shine), but ..... how!

[bober1982]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

a study of the relics was conducted in the temples of the Anglican church

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

Of course, our Orthodox Church, the most correct

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

but ..... someone like that!

Indeed, someone like that.
The Russian Church has no contacts with the Anglican Church, suspended for a long time.
There are many reasons, here are just some, the smallest part of which is the introduction by the Anglican Church of the female priesthood and episcopate, the elevation of open homosexuals, and much more.

[bober1982]

Quote: Brylevsky

There is a historical joke in the church environment

Quote: Brylevsky

When this was reported to some archbishop, he said: "By relics and myrrh."

This is not a joke.
This is how Patriarch Tikhon spoke about this incident.

[reservist]

Quote: Brylevsky

There is a historical anecdote in the church environment: in those days when the mausoleum was still wooden, there was an incident in it - for an unknown reason, it was a little "flooded" by the sewage system ... When this was reported to some archbishop, he said: "By the relics and the world. "

this is when they just began to dig a pit under the mausoleum, they damaged the sewer pipe ...

[Berkut752]

SHELL OF THE HEAVENLY KING, you look at the map of the Kremlin, what the hell is the pipe. Where does it come from.

[reservist]

1. from BOB and hear
2. Ask Patriarch Tikhon and Brylevsk about "where does it come from?"
3. What do you need to see on a map of the Kremlin? By the way, a hundred years ago people lived in the Kremlin permanently, and not only worked, so there were already plumbing with sewage ...

[reservist]

after all, I looked at the map, next to the mausoleum behind the Kremlin wall is the building of the former Senate, want to say that a hundred years ago there was no water supply or sewage system in it?

[Olgovich]

Quote: codetalker

But do not need to bury the remains of our monarchs and clergy who rest in various temples?

They are hidden in crypts, sarcophagi from human eyes but are in orthodox churches-so christian tradition for sovereigns, for they ALL were Christians.

As for the relics of the saints, they are "bearers of grace, must be preserved and honored believers for moral, edifying and liturgical purposes " for believers-so accepted in the Church for more than 1300 years.

Those. these are traditions of faith, only for BELIEVE Christians with MORAL and LOW, educational goals in accordance with the sacraments of the Church.

According to what faith, for what purposes, what and whose sacraments are performed at the mummy's mummy staring at the exhibit by idle tourists? Or name the name of the new church, this temple, the name of new believers and what they pray for, Lenin is her parishioner?

How is this different from inspection any other exhibit at any exhibition (except that they do not charge)?

I am also against the sale, because this the most valuable object is the result of many scientific experiments, tests the whole institute for many decades (huge amounts of money were spent) and they, of course, need to continue

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Ka-52

Yes, you need to bury the mummy already.

How can I not recall the joke No. 785791:

Lenin was a great joker. He came to power, promising the peasants land. But they never saw her ... But the peasants were also big jokers. Therefore, Lenin still does not see the earth ...

[Basil50]

for an admirer of church canons.
For Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, the mausoleum and mummification were carried out by people who grew up under the prevailing Greek Catholic Orthodox Church and church canons knew better than current church leaders.
During the construction of the Mausoleum, ALL church canons were observed, since VLADIMIR ILYICH (ULYANOV) LENIN was baptized and did not refuse from the church, he only separated the church from the state.
By the way, the separation of the church from the state is directly recorded in church canons.

[Alex Justice]

Yes, you need to bury the mummy already. And do not arrange a circus with her.

Or Give balance to the Communists. Let them pay for the contents of the exhibit.

[vvnab]

To begin with, give the temples to the balance of the Russian Orthodox Church.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Alex Justice

Yes, you need to bury the mummy already. And do not arrange a circus with her.

Or Give balance to the Communists. Let them pay for the contents of the exhibit.

Quote: vvnab

To begin with, give the temples to the balance of the Russian Orthodox Church.

If in order. Many temples are the historical heritage of the people of Russia! Yes, it’s not the ROC, but people.
So, starting from the 90s, there is an undercover struggle between museum workers and clergy! And to the shame of Orthodox clergy, their Muslim counterparts are much more tolerant. Why, say we have "in the city of demons" for five years there has been a lawsuit between the choir of boys and priests !!! The musicians managed to get a room where before the revolution there was a parish, a red corner. I will not lie. An interesting fact is that it is not a separate building, but a room (hall)!
What can I say, if during the construction of the Patriarchal Compound, the Russian Orthodox Church squeezed the ground from the hospital of the Ministry of Internal Affairs !!!
So, if you started to leave your car pop on the forging, beware the ROC legal department is already coming to you!

[bober1982]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

Why, say we have "in the city of demons" for five years there has been a lawsuit between the choir of boys and priests !!!

The lawsuit between the Yekaterinburg diocese and MUGISO (there is such an office in the city of demons) ended in a settlement.
The buildings of three colleges, including the choral (and not the choir of boys), remained free of charge for this very MUGISO

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

An interesting fact is that it is not a separate building, but a room (hall)!

It’s not clear what you are talking about. The lawsuit was about three buildings, everyone was satisfied, including MUGISO

[Simargl]

Quote: vvnab

To begin with, give the temples to the balance of the Russian Orthodox Church.

To begin with - tax the Russian Orthodox Church, like everyone else. At least for activities not directly related to service.
Otherwise, it turns out that each taxpayer pays his "tithe": the church uses "buns" from the state at our expense.

[Hagen]

What else can you expect from a batch of commercial votes. No matter how stupid it is, to attract attention to your person. Typically, no serious initiatives have been put forward by this party for a long time.

[Pilot]

He has quite sound thoughts, but everyone understands that this is impossible, on the nose there are already Duma elections of 21g. and we must somehow remind ourselves. And there is nothing more for Zhirinovsky to attract the attention of voters.

Some time ago, Vladimir Zhirinovsky suggested thinking about the abolition of the Federation Council, which is the upper house of the Federal Assembly. Prior to this, Zhirinovsky proposed reducing the number of parliamentarians in the State Duma of the Russian Federation.

[Nikolay87]

Quote: Pilot

Here are quite sensible thoughts from him, but everyone understands that this is impossible, on the nose is already the Duma elections of 21g. and we must somehow remind ourselves. And there is nothing more for Zhirinovsky to attract the attention of voters.

Some time ago, Vladimir Zhirinovsky suggested thinking about the abolition of the Federation Council, which is the upper house of the Federal Assembly. Prior to this, Zhirinovsky proposed reducing the number of parliamentarians in the State Duma of the Russian Federation.

Is it really not clear to him what to make of Lenin, what to propose to abolish the Federation Council - populism.

[Pilot]

Where I do not understand, please quote. I didn’t use the word “populism” - well, yes, without it nothing is clear at all, for some.
,, If the meaning of the text is not clear to you, then this text is not for you. ,, (c)

[Nikolay87]

Here are quite sound thoughts with him

Quote: Pilot

Where i don't understand

We drove through. I see that you corrected the text

[Victor_B]

Zhirik, as always, zhalat napalm!
The thing is where to get along, crawls out of all the holes.
I wonder what hole this opus got out of?

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Victor_B

The thing is where to get along, crawls out of all the holes.

Like the Scarecrow's needles. Only that good was Wise.

[Dmitry Potapov]

How would they lower the fat ?! The country is spinning in a crisis, and these decided again to mock the body and memory of the one who devoted his whole life so that people would not know what the economic crisis is.

[Angelo Provolone]

I know who Lenin is. Who is Zhirik? Political whistle in which a pair of popular indignation pits. Figlar on the talk show Solovyov and political woman low social. responsibility.

[Brylevsky]

I know who Lenin is.

How do you like Lenin "from this" side?
https://3rm.info/publications/80001-lenin-palach-i-pederast.html
I must confess that I didn’t know that he was ... "that" about which it is indecent to speak. Here it it just killed me there:

Love correspondence between Lenin and Zinoviev.

Do you think this is true, or fiction? I ask quite seriously ...

[Karaul73]

Absolutely cuckoo? And they are elected as deputies! It may be time to introduce a psychiatric examination in parliament. Many would be weeded out and moved away from the feeder.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Sentry73

It may be time to introduce a psychiatric examination in parliament.

Daily!

[Brigadier]

Zhirinovsky. Did you smoke? I want it too !!!
Surely a thorny thing !!!

[Free wind]

Himself, and many others, led by "who cannot be called" put up for sale, "on sugarcane plantations in Argentina or Brazil.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Fill up the procurement plan !!!

[Mavrikiy]

Zhirinovsky proposes to put the body of Lenin on sale "to replenish the budget"

I propose to sell Zhirinovsky to the Turks, they love him very much, "to replenish the budget"

[sagitch]

That's what old age does to people ...

[strelokmira]

Let's sell Zhirinovsky to the circus, such a clown disappears

[72jora72]

Let's sell Zhirinovsky to the circus, such a clown disappears

I would put the whole "troupe" (Duma, Federation Council) up for auction .......

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

Who needs this "troupe", and even more so for money? Nobody will take them for free.

[Vladimir61]

The guy in quarantine sat up, went outside to show off in front of the girls.
And the question itself, so simply, cannot be resolved even if you have the political will to do so. It so happened that Lenin was not the property of the ruling class or a certain historical relic, but one of the symbols of a bygone era, as if others did not belong to it. In Egypt, no one thought of taking the pharaohs out of the pyramids, they were just stolen by everyone who got access to them. Now they show off in the largest museums of both hemispheres - barbarians, however!

[Plastmaster]

We have so many parties with communist names. And they can’t shut up their mouths. There are a lot of options, from the court, for the insult, to the head publicly.

[Graz]

man’s time to rest

[rocket757]

VVZh ignites! But somehow there is a feeling \ desire to call orderlies from a specific, specialty institution! It looks like TIME!

[Serg koma]

Quote: Dead Day

sell yourself, on the "Leningrad", old senile.

After conducting a medical examination, sell the giricum in parts (bodies) to replenish the budget of the Liberal Democratic Party

[Alex66]

Thanks to Lenin, we received an 8-hour working day with paid leave, free housing, education, medicine, pensions, and thanks to talkers like Zhirinovsky, we are squeezing it all out. I propose to sell Zhirinovsky, it is possible not entirely for the maintenance of Lenin's mausoleum.

[Vasyan1971]

What a nightmare! Even if you imagine this for a second, then anyone should understand that this is not an urn with ashes, say. You can’t put it on a shelf or in a corner. How does Volfych imagine this, in principle?
Kashmar ...

[oracul]

Something Zhirinovsky V.V. with age begins to "mow" more and more. Carries an obvious nonsense, in which something healthy sometimes flickers,

[nobody111body]

Zhirinov- veiled Jewish henchman

[viktor_ui]

Well, Zhirik has always been a political prostitute ... but such an offer simply does not go into any gates. They are there for sure all the nariks judging by deeds and chatter. GOSDURA in all its glory and baldezha at the expense of taxpayers.

[rusich]

Better Zhirik put up for sale

[parusnik]

.... "It must be handed over to the clinic, for experiments" (c)

[Chever]

People's Artist of Russia delivers again

[Ross xnumx]

Zhirinovsky proposes to put the body of Lenin on sale "to replenish the budget"

It is necessary to disperse this DG - budget savings will appear in a month.

[Million]

Something to become buggy was an old Jewish opposition ....

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

Zhirik is an oppositionist? Do not make me laugh.

[Million]

Like an oppositionist) .Zyuganov, Mironov and other Sobchak are the same "oppositionists"

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

About Zyuganov, I generally keep quiet. A strange grandfather calling himself a communist and exploiting great people, Lenin and Stalin, under this sauce.

[Van 16]

What a wildness ..

[Tochilka]

Confiscate from him, all his relatives (including second cousins) + all his party members, property, seize all accounts, send him to the Arctic Circle. Or in the third hut of the camp builders dry floating dock to determine. And let the right to freedom of race, exceeding the standards, earn.

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

All today's State Duma is not worth the little finger of V.I. Lenin.

[Romanenko]

In general, historically this structure in Russia has so far been dispersed twice, in my opinion it is time once again and finally. God loves the trinity.

[PValery53]

About "Lenin's mummy". This pygmy, in comparison with Lenin, completely forgot how "a soldering iron hisses in the eye."

[Romanenko]

Old age is not joy, Zhirik is the best confirmation of this, it is time for him to go to the village on the stove. And then carefully concealed insanity became apparent.

[mark1]

And he wouldn’t go to the strippers himself along with the entire LDPR. Just with your teles on the budget would have earned.

[Shuttle]

I feel we are on the verge of a global outlook.
In general, it is beyond the boundaries of political views, economic structures, etc., to trade in ancestors, even if it is strangers.
Volfych is not so stupid as to substitute for nothing. He feels, you bastard, that no one in his t.s. weight category will not do anything. Feels the support of someone. The working people do not have a true leader. And the need is already there.

[75 Sergey]

A counter proposal, I propose to show this clown in a circus, and of course, to supplement the budget, the income will be incomparably greater, people are watching his performances so as to laugh

[Captan78]

Surviving the mind of Silence

[Roman123567]

In France, a businessman wants to sell the painting "The Mona Lisa". We could sell Lenin’s mummy. ”

This one, if he wishes, can go and sell his underpants ..
20 years ago we already sold everything that was possible in the country .. as a result, the people had nothing left, and those who bought / sold - in chocolate ..

It is clear that the more money goes to the budget, the more the government can interpret from there to fit your needs .. it all just started with the nickel, Rushydro, and other nishtyakov, but in the end it came to Lenin ..

[vvnab]

It’s time to embalm himself ...

[Alexey from Perm]

He was not distinguished by resonant statements, but by idiotic

[Sotskiy]

Zhirinovsky: In France, a businessman wants to sell the painting "The Mona Lisa". We could sell Lenin's mummy

Why is the country's chief psychiatrist silent on this issue, or is Trotsky's "laurels" not allowed to Zhirik?

[sergo1914]

Nothing. Soon spring will end and the "Zhiriks" will calm down. Until the next exacerbation.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Oh-yo-yo-yo !!!!! What a pandemic does to people

[vkd.dvk]

This bastard completely lost the coast. I relate to the personality of Lenin sharply negatively. But, the human face cannot be lost.

[Capellan23]

Not a bad option.

[aszzz888]

Something already over the edge was enough Zhirinovsky. To bury V. Ulyanov in a Christian way, and let people come to the grave.

[Pug]

Quote: aszzz888

Something already over the edge was enough Zhirinovsky. To bury V. Ulyanov in a Christian way, and let people come to the grave.

That's when the last "born in the USSR" dies, then bury it and do whatever you want .. It's not long to endure, we are dying out in batches ..
And Lenin is a symbol of the USSR, like Stalin! Do not spit in our souls, let us live.

[aszzz888]

Pug today, 10:41
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That's when the last "born in the USSR" dies, then bury it and do whatever you want .. It's not long to endure, we are dying out in batches ..
And Lenin is a symbol of the USSR, like Stalin! Do not spit in our souls, let us live ... soldier

I don’t spit on your “soul”. I do not interfere with life. I expressed my point of view.

[Pug]

Quote: aszzz888

I don’t spit on your “soul”. I do not interfere with life. Expressed my point of view

I realized the stone did not throw at you .. Sorry! There are simply those who like to dance on the bones of the USSR ..

[georggy]

Let him sell

[ZVS]

We must put this Jew Zhirinovsky for sale. He will be happy to buy the circuses of the world. It will work as a clown. He has no place in the legislative assembly.

[Klmn]

For me it would be better to be really buried. The meaning is to keep the mummy, pictures, photos remained, so the appearance is known.
I used to understand that pumping with an ideology (by the way, I don’t see anything wrong with that, if I don't go too far to fanaticism), but now why? How idolatry is the right thing, and somehow it’s stupid to bow to the flesh ..