Bloomberg, citing Tripoli authorities: MiG-29 and Su-24 transferred from the base Hmeimim to Libya

Reports are coming from Libya that the Libyan National Army under the command of Khalifa Haftar promises to unleash the largest stories country aviation the campaign. This statement was made by the commander of the LNA Air Force Sakr al-Jarushi. According to him, this campaign can be launched, as the Turkish forces have become "legitimate targets for the Libyan air force." The Libyan Air Force refers to the part that is controlled by Marshal Khalifa Haftar.

Marshal Haftar himself, after the silence that he maintained after the defeat in Al-Vatiyah, announced that Ankara should know - "she will get her own."

It is reported by the American news agency "Bloomberg" with reference to the LAA.

Bloomberg also claims that several combat aircraft were allegedly transferred from the military base of Khmeimim (Syria) to one of the Libyan airfields controlled by Haftaru. In this case, the American information service refers to the head of the security service of the Tripoli administration - that is, to the forces of Fayez Saraj.

Meanwhile, reports are coming from Turkey about how the administration of Recep Erdogan is responding. A spokesman for the Turkish president, Ibrahim Kalyn, said, "Ankara will respond in the most decisive way."

At the same time, the media claimed that earlier Turkey sent several air defense installations to Libya by sea. What specific installations are in question are not reported. But it is said that it is these ships that can become the target of Haftar’s aviation or “forces supporting it”.

Earlier, the LNA stated that they were not going to start military operations against the PNS in the holy month of Ramadan for Muslims. The end of this month this year falls on May 23.

Meanwhile the same Bloomberg referring to the head of the security service of the Tripoli administration, Fathi Bashahguh writes that MiG-29 fighters, Su-24 bombers, which arrived accompanied by fighters of the 4 ++ Su-35 generation of the Russian Aerospace Forces, were allegedly transferred to Libya from Khmeimim.

There is currently no evidence of this information from Russian officials, including the Russian Defense Ministry.

Comments

[iouris]

Can not be!

[vadim dok]

This has never happened and here again!

[Civil]

Operation "Save Row .... Marshal Haftar"

[Thrifty]

"Day by day everything is more fun, we live more wonderful" ... we will watch this "show" further. ..

[Grandfather]

Bloomberg, referring to the head of the security service of the Tripoli administration, Fathi Bashahgu, writes that MiG-29 fighters, Su-24 bombers, which arrived accompanied by fighters of the 4 ++ Su-35 generation of the Russian Aerospace Forces, were allegedly transferred to Libya from Khmeimim.
There is currently no evidence of this information from Russian officials, including the Russian Defense Ministry.

. I do not like popcorn, but I will get pickled cucumbers, and 0,5, I will observe with interest.

[really]

I’ll have to run often, get it. The series is long, and it looks like it will continue after the main characters are replaced

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Dead Day

0,5, I will observe with interest.

A liter is already required here:

According to The Cavell Group, witnesses of what happened near the port of Es Cider noticed a burning ship belonging to the Turkish military. Shortly before that, they heard an explosion.
A Turkish ship was attacked by unidentified aircraft. Presumably these were the Air Force of Egypt and the UAE. They are on the side (LNA) of the Libyan National Army.
According to the publication of The Cavell Group, citing a military source of the LNA, a Turkish ship was attacked while approaching Ras Lanuf.
Another source claims that in the Libyan sky noticed MiG-29 and Su-24, which are used only by the Egyptian military. This suggests that the Egyptians could strike.
Recently, they threatened Turkey, in big trouble because of the support (PNE) of the Government of National Unity.
It is known that the military command of the LNA Air Force openly spoke of an attack on the positions of the PNE and Turkey army with the help of the Air Force.

[vik669]

But AN-2 didn’t notice that after all 10 planes arrived!

[iouris]

Quote: Thrifty

we will watch this "show" further.

You will have to pay for viewing such "shows". Very soon. Perhaps by myself.

[really]

Rather out of pocket

[iouris]

Many have nothing in their pockets, but half the population has loans. Nobody is going to provide work. On the contrary.

[really]

You see again, headless patriotism is in fashion, we were completely bombarded.

[IvanT]

Half of the population took loans themselves

[vik669]

The country of frightened idiots - free cheese only happens in a mousetrap!

[4ekist]

Are you an unsurpassed financial donor or all-seeing?

[really]

If there was, there would hardly be time for talking here.

[4ekist]

Logically, I agree.

[certero]

Oil is 100 percent more expensive. And in Russia, the budget is formed from oil

[vik669]

Dress your pants with your fly backwards - what else can you take!

[Break through]

Egyptian and not ours. Bloomberg is lying again to the campaign.

[Ilya-spb]

Congratulations to you, Bloomberg!

[kjhg]

No wonder

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

And who is this (oh), Bloomberg ???

[Ilya-spb]

The mouthpiece of the Judeo-Masons)))

[Atlant-1164]

I don’t like it when someone wants to lay down the lives of young Russian guys ... for gasoline, in someone’s gas tank !!

[4ekist]

... Bloomberg also claims that several combat aircraft were allegedly transferred from a military base in Khmeimim (Syria) to one of the Libyan airfields controlled by Haftaru ......

For some time now this edition is no different from the sorted fake news.

[Fregate]

And were the MiG-29s at Hmeimim?

[Sky strike fighter]

Perhaps it’s MiG-29 and Su-24 from the Syrian Air Force that we previously handed over to Assad. In addition, Haftar and Assad seemed to have joined forces to combat the influence of Turkey. The Su-35S could simply cover them.

[cniza]

All these are speculations and elements of the information war ...

[novel66]

in Russian - zvezdezh !!

[cniza]

You can, of course, and so to speak, but someone wants a process of escalation and, again, Russia ...

[novel66]

but we have something to answer

[cniza]

And patamushta, everyone knows that Russia is everywhere and everyone ...

[novel66]

but not provable

[figwam]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Su-35S could just cover them.

Why su-35 cover MiG-29, they themselves can.

[Bashkirkhan]

When "Admiral Kuznetsov" was off the coast of Syria, MiG-29K were based on Khmeimim. That's all.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

When "Admiral Kuznetsov" was off the coast of Syria, MiG-29K were based on Khmeimim. That's all.

Syrian Air Force has MiG-29. From recent news. Coincidence?

Iran has announced the transfer to Syria of six Russian MiG-29 fighters.
As follows from the data of the Telegram community of the Notes of the Hunter, citing information from Iranian sources, Russia has thrown at least 6 MiG-29 fighters into Syria. At the moment, the fact for which purpose this was done remains unknown, however, according to some reports, we are not talking about the Russian Air Force fighters at all, but about the repaired, and probably modernized, Syrian Air Force fighters, which are actually armed combat aircraft.
“Today, the Tu-154 85042 route from Volga to Syria repeated with a stop in Iranian Hamadan. The situation is starting to clear up a bit. According to reports of local aviation enthusiasts from Iran, we are dealing with the transfer of a whole group of MiG-29 fighters (approximately 6 units arrived), ”the Telegram reports, the Iranian information sources cite.

https://rusonline.org/siriya/rossiya-perebrasyvaet-v-siriyu-shest-istrebiteley-mig-29

[figwam]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

MiG-29K was based on Khmeimim. That's all.

MiG-29SMT were in Syria and showed themselves well there.

[knn54]

Six (or eight) Haftar aircraft were under repair in Syria.

[Sky strike fighter]

They decide to strike at Turkish frigates, and most importantly there is something to strike at? It is not for nothing that the aircraft are being transferred there. Apparently, the Turks are standing near the coast. Are there unowned anti-ship missiles lying around?

The Turkish military, supporting forces opposing Haftaru government of national consent (PNS), deployed several frigates of type G, which are equipped with the most powerful medium-range air defense (air defense) system in the Turkish Navy. So, these ships are armed with Mk 13 universal launchers with ammunition of 40 SM-1MR anti-ship missiles and Harpoon anti-ship missiles, as well as eight Mk 41 vertical launchers, each of which has four RIM-162 ESSM launcher containers - in total difficulty 32 missiles.
At the same time, both the SM-1MR and the RIM-162 ESSM have a sufficient flight range - about 50 kilometers - to destroy any aircraft that the Haftar army uses. In particular, apparently, it was missiles from Turkish frigates standing off the coast of Libya that destroyed two Chinese-made Wing Loong II drones, which the LNA threw to the al-Vatiya airbase to help the besieged PNS.
As a result, Lyamin noted, Turkey cleared the sky from Haftar drones, with the help of which he had previously managed to successfully fight both the PNS and the Turkish military. In addition, now Turkish troops have been able to more actively use their own shock drones in this region, thanks to which the supply of Haftar troops has already been disrupted.

https://m.lenta.ru/news/2020/05/21/neudacha/

[Piramidon]

Quote: Fregate

And were the MiG-29s at Hmeimim?

AB Hmeimim could well be used as a jump airfield by Syrian or Libyan aircraft.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Oh, what it reminds me of the immortal phrase "... we are on the eve of a great nix ..." If "vacationers" of different nationalities start fighting for the Libyans, then we can safely say that this is Spain 2020!

[Sky strike fighter]

At the same time, the media claimed that earlier Turkey sent several air defense installations to Libya by sea. What specific installations are in question are not reported.

Recently, Ukraine is rumored to have transferred modernized S-200 or S-125 air defense systems from Turkey. These Soviet air defense systems have been around for a long time and are not considered to be assigned to one or another country, that is, if something is bribed from them smoothly. say. This is supposedly not us.

But it is said that it is these ships that can become the target of Haftar’s aviation or “forces supporting it”.

This is already more interesting. Egypt or the UAE will share with Haftar anti-ship missiles? Are there any MiG-29 and Su-24 anti-ship missiles in service with Syria? Or at least the Kh-25 / X-29 for the worst?

[Bongo]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Recently, Ukraine is rumored to have transferred Turkey from its S-200 or S-125 air defense systems, which were modernized.

Sorry, but this is nonsense ... In Ukraine, for a long time there are no functional S-200s, as for the S-125, they are being modernized in a very small amount. Selling these complexes is possible, but why the hell do Turks need them?

[Dmitry Vyazmenskiy]

The Turks have a C400, and in the middle distance there are several options.

[D16]

we can safely say that this is Spain 2020!

Syria was already Spain 2015. And how many of these Spain will still be. Africa she's big

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

In Africa, soon there will be so many Chinese that the blacks will not be sick.

[sabakina]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

then we can safely say that this is Spain 2020!

Nazarii, I do not see the future, but I won’t be surprised if the next president is a woman.

[Grits]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

If "vacationers" of different nationalities start fighting for the Libyans, then we can safely say that this is Spain 2020!

And for what Libyans? Libyans on both sides.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Gritsa

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

If "vacationers" of different nationalities start fighting for the Libyans, then we can safely say that this is Spain 2020!

And for what Libyans? Libyans on both sides.

The fact of the matter is that everyone

[raki-uzo]

Old people in Russia "got drunk" with pensions and they ask them not to do any harm, but to send "extra" money to Libya to help the "impostor-field marshal.

[iouris]

Write this to Erdogan: who does he support in Libya? Imperialism is a war. Oil is war. The strongest will win.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: iouris

Imperialism is a war. Oil is war. The strongest will win.

That is, Russia has sunk to imperialism ?! And our Soviet ancestors fought with this phenomenon

[iouris]

Quote: Stirbjorn

That is, Russia has sunk to imperialism ?!

Not "rolled", but "developed". Imperialism is the highest (last) stage of capitalism.

[qobnvmog]

Quote: iouris

Imperialism is the highest (last) stage of capitalism.

Not true. Capitalism is more suited to the evolution of imperialism. There used to be empires, now global transnational corporations (TNCs)

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/транснациональная_компания#Критика_транснациональных_компаний_(корпораций)

[iouris]

TNCs are not evolution, but imperialism itself. Imperialism is not an empire, but an export of capital. Empires were destroyed at a previous historical stage. Now capital no longer needs states with their social security systems.

[qobnvmog]

Quote: iouris

Now capital no longer needs states

Sometimes they are needed. When the next maduro of the next banana state declares TNK something like "it was yours - it became ours," a force is needed that will come and say: "Guys, we will now explain to you how wrong you are." - and so on, about "international debt".

[pmkemcity]

Quote: qobnvmog

Sometimes they are needed. When the next maduro of the next banana state declares TNK something like "it was yours - it became ours," a force is needed that will come and say: "Guys, we will now explain to you how wrong you are." - and so on, about "international debt".

In this case, PMCs or different "bandit formations", a la ISIS, will operate.

[qobnvmog]

Quote: pmkemcity

In this case, PMCs or different "bandit formations", a la ISIS, will operate.

Therefore, I wrote what are needed sometimes. Sometimes there is enough of a private army, which is enough in the world, sometimes direct pressure from one or several interested state-parties, sometimes paid by the TNC itself (or by special services of the state-party defending its interests) opposition. When TNCs need force, they find it.

[pmkemcity]

I support for the courage of thought.

[iouris]

Quote: qobnvmog

about "international debt"

You are a romantic person. I respect. But now all armies are PMCs. "Questions" are solved for the loot. Serious issues are resolved for a very large loot. Those who have a printing press have a lot of money. A multi-circuit control system has been built for everyone. Nazism showed how technologically any problems can be solved. If you work in a PMC, then you work only for the loot and any madura exists only as long as it performs a given function.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Stirbjorn

Quote: iouris

Imperialism is a war. Oil is war. The strongest will win.

That is, Russia has sunk to imperialism ?! And our Soviet ancestors fought with this phenomenon

But everything suits us, it seems.

[iouris]

Quote: Stirbjorn

And our Soviet ancestors fought with this phenomenon

The counter-revolution abolished the "ancestors" and the results of their struggle. We have become common people (or, rather, common people). Now one of two things: either imperialism is the last stage or we will not have descendants.

[boss]

Yes, Edik, hi there he wants to support, if only he would send the restless Idlib there more)
But ours, for the havftar's crushman, did not rake the heat from his hands.
And then the Libyan oil, as well as the oil of Syria, so that it would not cost us a little.
Although it is possible and necessary to supply weapons, the main thing is not on credit.

[noct]

Would you send ... to the taiga, to cut down the forest. Your place

[Tank hard]

Quote: raki-uzo

Old people in Russia "got drunk" with pensions and they ask them not to do any more harm, but to send "extra" money to Libya to help the "impostor-field marshal

Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten. We remember Oleg Peshkov.

[Dmitry Vyazmenskiy]

I hear from the impostor! (with)

[FIR FIR]

If Haftar is the solution to the problem of the eternal civil war in Libya, then why not support it. Give Turkish legionnaires so that others have a lesson. It’s only a pity that Marshal is old ....

[Grandfather]

Quote: FIR FIR

If Haftar is the solution to the problem of the eternal civil war in Libya, then why not support it.

Yes there are no solutions, because they are not needed, an eternal war is needed.

[FIR FIR]

Who needs it? To the West? And what about Russia?

[boss]

To assess the benefits of the Russian Federation from the ongoing wars in oil-producing countries is cruel. But objectively, the lower the production, the higher the price of oil.
According to experts, a massive attack by the Hussites at the Saudi oil depot, combined with Iran’s blocking of the strait, even now, in conditions of minimal consumption, can raise oil prices by at least three times.
Another thing is that by helping the PNS in Libya, Ed wants to get access to cheap oil, as it was when the IS exported Syrian to Turkey at a bargain price.

[Ka-52]

Who needs it? To the West? And what about Russia?

It is beneficial to Russia. Libya is an excellent light oil (the third largest oil field in the world in terms of oil reserves), on which France not only sat entirely, but also sold to the side. Our mining companies were contracted by the Libyans. Not for nothing, Gaddafi was a friend until he began to show off and threatened to block the pipeline. Gaddafi is not ours thrown. And now the French are buying oil from anyone who is nonsense. Therefore, if the oil is not ours, then let there be a draw

[mark2]

Haftar is a solution to the problem of eternal internecine war

and the opposite side is also the solution to the eternal civil war in Libya.
The fact is that no one wants to solve these problems. War is a business. Business for the marshal, business for the opponents, business for those who give them money for the war.
War is long, expensive and not interesting. Especially expensive. The problem must not be solved with those who are at war, but with those who give money for the war. But no one will decide. Because those who can solve this, pay for these wars themselves. And the most interesting thing is that the victory of one of the parties does not guarantee peace in the country.
How was it before? The winner not only defeated the enemy army, but also destroyed to the maximum all who could resist later. Men to galleys, women full, children to Janissaries, from the remaining such indemnities and that for years they could not buy new pants. and now? They came up with the distinction between warring and peaceful people .. They say you can shoot at the military and militants, but do not touch the peaceful people. And the military emerge from the mine. The soldiers themselves do not arise from the air. During the day he is a peaceful shepherd, and at night he puts on a harness, takes Kalash and goes to shoot.
And while this state of affairs will be, more and more conflicts will arise in the world. Either fight as an adult, or very, very soon, the World will turn into a sort of smoldering garbage heap.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: mark2

War is long, expensive and not interesting. Especially expensive. The problem must not be solved with those who are at war, but with those who give money for the war. But no one will decide. Because those who can solve this, pay for these wars themselves.

Do not pay. and profitably invested.
They subsequently profitably invested in recovery.

[Doliva63]

"to fight as an adult"
And for what, actually?

[mark2]

What are they fighting for now? What is all the war for? Money, resources, women, looting? What else ? Someone of course for the idea. But there are few of them. In the main these are those who are for money and most of them are stupidly duped by the authorities. History remembers many motivational excuses, from primitive robbery to the ideas of the superiority of one race over another. With the robbery, it’s at least somehow understandable, but the idea of ​​superiority is .... I don’t even know how to characterize the level of intelligence of those who believed it. And the motivation of religion, in general.

[Doliva63]

Quote: mark2

What are they fighting for now? What is all the war for? Money, resources, women, looting? What else ? Someone of course for the idea. But there are few of them. In the main these are those who are for money and most of them are stupidly duped by the authorities. History remembers many motivational excuses, from primitive robbery to the ideas of the superiority of one race over another. With the robbery, it’s at least somehow understandable, but the idea of ​​superiority is .... I don’t even know how to characterize the level of intelligence of those who believed it. And the motivation of religion, in general.

So it became interesting to me, why did you urge you to fight like an adult?

[really]

This is not a solution, this is a continuation

[Grits]

Quote: FIR FIR

It’s only a pity that Marshal is old ....

And it seems not even superstar ...

[Zaurbek]

The Greeks and Israel and the Turks themselves would have reported this before Bloomberg ...! There are a lot of radars and Avaxes .... and not the Russian Federation, the main sponsor of the Havtor .....

[Sky strike fighter]

And who? As? Whisper in your ear.

[Zaurbek]

Who has MiG29 and Su24M? Near.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

At me, not far in Kubinka.

[albert]

Quote: Zaurbek

Who has MiG29 and Su24M? Near

In Egypt. They just sold fifty Mig-29m2.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

I think the Saudis?

[Zaurbek]

They don’t have such aircraft ... there are F15E and F16

[Sky strike fighter]

Syria has it.

The operation of the Russian aerospace forces in Syria, which began officially on September 30, 2015, allowed the Syrian Air Force to rest - almost all modern machines were put out for repair and modernization. According to available information, the Syrian Su-24MK received a new sighting and navigation system SVP-24 and other equipment, which expanded the range of ammunition used and made it possible to sharply increase the accuracy of bombing with unguided bombs. This dramatically increased the effectiveness of their actions - now, in every take-off, the Syrian Su-24, thanks to the new equipment and the retrained pilots, could hit several targets, like modernized Russian bombers of the same type.

Preparation of the MiG-21 fighters of the Syrian Air Force to take off
Preparation of the MiG-21 fighters of the Syrian Air Force for the departure. Photo: Konstantin Machulsky / TASS
According to some reports, the modernization also affected at least part of the Syrian MiG-29, however, some experts believe that the delivery of the MiG-29M, which had been ordered by Damascus back in the 2000s, was masked by the modernization.

As far as one can judge, at present it is the Su-24 grouping that makes up the combat core of the Syrian Air Force, and aircraft of this type make up to 30 sorties per day. At the same time, other types of aircraft are used: Su-22M4 fighter-bombers, the number of which is estimated at about 25-30 serviceable aircraft, MiG-23BN, which number about the same, MiG-23ML / MLD and MiG-21 fighters, which According to various estimates, approximately 50-60 serviceable machines for each type remain.

https://m.lenta.ru/articles/2016/02/28/syriansky/

[qobnvmog]

S-400 VS MiG-29 and Su-24
oops?

[Grandfather]

Quote: qobnvmog

S-400 VS MiG-29 and Su-24
oops?

what?

[Lopatov]

Quote: qobnvmog

At their meeting, either Russian aircraft

Despite the fact that you really want to see Russian planes there, you definitely will not see them there.
However, like the S-400

[qobnvmog]

Quote: Spade

However, like the S-400

To create a no-fly zone with a 100% guarantee, IMHO, it’s enough for Turkey to openly announce to the whole world that the S-400 will be relocated to Libya. And you can not only not include them, you can not even deliver them there.
If and as soon as such an announcement is made, IMHO, only 2 options will remain:

either the planes will fly knocking down Turkish drones and bombing the Turkish army, and Russia will have to admit that it was the Russian army that attacked the Turkish army and the S-400 friend-or-foe system didn’t bring them down, or it’s not Russian planes and no friend’s friend, and the S-400 shitty system didn’t bring them down;

or no non-Turkish aircraft will fly anymore.

Someone here believes that it is better for Russia to attack Turkey?

[Lopatov]

Quote: qobnvmog

To create a no-fly zone with a 100% guarantee, IMHO, it’s enough for Turkey to openly announce to the whole world that the S-400 will be relocated to Libya.

After which the Greeks quickly convict them of a lie.

Quote: qobnvmog

Someone here believes that it is better for Russia to attack Turkey?

And Russia here is generally from which side?

[qobnvmog]

Quote: Spade

After which the Greeks quickly convict them of a lie.

The opinion of the Greeks does not bother anyone, especially the Turks.

Quote: Spade

And Russia here is generally from which side?

If for no reason, but the Turks will announce the S-400, and the planes will fly, then this is actually an admission that the S-400 is not a working system. Or Russia will have to officially go to "tune" the system to shoot down Haftar's planes. For the sake of such a circus and humiliation of Russia, Erdogan will specially bring the system there.

[Lopatov]

Quote: qobnvmog

If nothing, but the Turks will announce the S-400, and the planes will fly. That is actually a recognition that the S-400 is a worthless system.

Understood nothing.
Turks will announce that they can not shoot down old planes even with the latest S-400?
And why should they sign their incompetence?

Quote: qobnvmog

Or Russia will have to officially go to "tune" the system to shoot down Haftar's planes

Why not?
Remember the simplest thing: Haftar the CIA, not a Russian ally.

[qobnvmog]

Quote: Spade

Turks will announce that

with the help of the latest S-400 they cannot even shoot down old planes and will make claims to Russia on the quality of Russian crappy systems.
And to sign their incompetence will have to sell them to Russia. Officially, all over the world. Or just send experts to help Erdogan to shoot down "their" Haftar airplanes.

[Lopatov]

Quote: qobnvmog

make claims on the quality of Russian crappy systems.

After that, Erdogan can be stomped to retire. Best case scenario.

Quote: qobnvmog

And have to sign their incompetence

... to the Turkish authorities. Not only those who bought the "unusable", but also quarreled with the US and missed the F-35 ... This is what they lacked

And then the Chinese and Indians will glorify them as liars. Because they do not want to appoint themselves deceived well at all.

You just have to figure out why the Turkish authorities should expose themselves like that.

[qobnvmog]

Quote: Spade

After that, Erdogan can be stomped to retire.

Precisely, until now, Erdogan did what he wanted, and no one could say a word across him. And then he suddenly pleads guilty and takes responsibility. Children's naivety.
Turkish Sultan - a copy of Russian; Russian never pleads no fault.

The Turkish sultan takes care of the defense of the country, and if the infidels deceived him, it is their fault, not the father of the nation. The Sultan does not care about the opinion of the Chinese and Indians in the same way as the Greek. And alliance partners have long been waiting for a reason to understand and forgive.

[Tank hard]

Quote: qobnvmog

using the latest S-400, they cannot even shoot down old planes and will make claims on the quality of Russian crappy systems. And to sign their incompetence will have to sell them to Russia. Officially.

Many can dream about it, you can’t forbid dreaming. But it will not be so ...

[qobnvmog]

Quote: Tank Hard

Many can dream about it, you can’t forbid dreaming. request But it will not be so ...

Maybe not, maybe not. You must see at least 2 steps forward. Possible "Syrian" Russian airplanes are just an example of not being able to see those who sent them (if true).

[Tank hard]

Quote: qobnvmog

You need to see at least 2 steps forward.

Those versions that you offer here are too frank, so they have not fought since the Korean campaign. No one here will tell you any truth. We will find out later (well, or not all).

[qobnvmog]

Quote: Tank Hard

Those versions that you offer here are too frank, so they have not fought since the Korean campaign.

So it is not necessary to enter with trump cards at once. It is enough for the Turks to throw tomorrow, through the same Bloomberg, with reference to an "anonymous source in the Turkish army," that the Turkish leadership "weighs" the use of the S-400 in Libya, if reports about Russian aircraft arriving to defend Haftar.
And wait - will the "unknown" assistants of Haftar give up. It is not even an hour the planes will fly away without arriving. Before any loud statements.

[Tank hard]

Quote: qobnvmog

It is enough for the Turks to throw tomorrow, through the same Bloomberg, with reference to an "anonymous source in the Turkish army," that the Turkish leadership is "weighing" the use of the S-400 in Libya, if the reports about Russian planes arriving to protect Haftar are confirmed.
And wait - will the "unknown" assistants of Haftar give up. It is not even an hour the planes will fly away without arriving. Before any loud statements.

Do not give out the desired behind real.

[Dmitry Vyazmenskiy]

Such things (С400) will never be bought until they are sure of their capabilities!

[qobnvmog]

Quote: Dmitriy Vyazmenskiy

Such things (С400) will never be bought until they are sure of their capabilities!

Twenty five again. I was tired of answering people who sacredly believe in something, but are not able to understand what they read.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Dmitriy Vyazmenskiy

Such things (С400) will never be bought until they are sure of their capabilities!

Tell us about the use of the S-400 in combat conditions? Maybe I'll take

[Pilat2009]

Quote: qobnvmog

actually recognition that the S-400 is not a working system

It just doesn’t work for those who made it. For various reasons

[qobnvmog]

Quote: Pilat2009

It just doesn’t work for those who made it. For various reasons

So read the part in which about the recognition of the Russian army attacks on the Turkish. I don’t give lessons on reading comprehension.

[Tank hard]

Quote: qobnvmog

I'm understanding lessons

To tears.

[Roman_vh]

Do not feed the troll, it is already fat.

[Grits]

Quote: qobnvmog

For the sake of such a circus and the humiliation of Russia, Erdogan will specially bring the system there.

But why the hell did Erdogan blow the whole world that he, du-cancer, had bought a completely worthless system?

[qobnvmog]

Quote: Gritsa

But why the hell did Erdogan blow the whole world that he, du-cancer, had bought a completely worthless system?

One more.
First, the Sultan is never, and never is, guilty. Erdogan in Turkey, like Putin in Russia, is always beyond suspicion. As I wrote above, if anyone is declared a fool or guilty, then these are Russian infidels and assistants of the Sultan deceived or bribed by them, whom he will strictly punish for this (just like the Russian Tsar periodically publicly punishes his guilty boyars).

Secondly, it’s not necessary to blow anything at once to anyone, as I (again, above) have already written.
May be hinted through an anonymous sink.
If not "unknown mysterious assistants" Haftar do not understand, then the Turks will officially announce to the whole world that they are officially seeking help from the Russians to set up the S-400 to shoot down Russian Haftar’s Samoyets at the place of deployment.
Then either Russia in front of the whole world helps Turkey bring down planes Russian "unknown" intercessors of Haftar. Or Russia is inventing a pretext and publicly refusing to do so.
Now, if Russia refuses to help Turkey. Then Erdogan just needs to put the S-400 on public display and turn it on, announcing that now let everyone look at the glory of Russian weapons and look at this circus.
Everyone is invited to think about what will be better for Russia - if the S-400 fails русские "unknown" aircraft, or if they destroy the S-400.
There is also the third option - neither the planes nor the S-3 will destroy each other, and then, in turn, it will be Erdogan’s turn to chop off the world that the latest Russian S-400 systems are worthless. What excuses should Russia come up with (not recognizing that this is a friend or foe system, so as not to officially fight with Turkey), the whole world will be interested to see.

In any case, in my humble opinion, Russia (or those who made decisions on its behalf) may now be on the verge of great public shame, in a trap from which there are no good exit options.

The only least shameful action of those that I now see is that if Erdogan starts the game with the S-400, quietly remove the planes. Shame will be, but not a public humiliation when officials and the media from all sides are forced to play the role of exaggerating the topic for weeks, but quiet when the reputation of the Russian leadership suffers because of their incorrect decisions and only in narrow circles. To be honest, 99% of the world’s population doesn’t care about all this (and the patriots still don’t see anything at all).

[D16]

S-400 VS MiG-29 and Su-24

You would have looked where the Turkish S-400s have not yet been deployed. They are definitely not there for Libya.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

I agree, it will be a bit overwhelming.

[D16]

Yes, and far too. And to bring to Africa, then do not bring back.

[Grits]

Quote: qobnvmog

S-400 VS MiG-29 and Su-24
oops?

Do you think the Turks will drag the S-400 to Libya? Chances are there won't be any "oops"

[qobnvmog]

Quote: Gritsa

Do you think the Turks will drag the S-400 to Libya? Chances are there won't be any "oops"

Maybe it won’t come to that. But the sultans, they are such, sometimes go on principle; then there will be a circus for the whole world.

[babylon]

This is what will happen in Syrian Idlib
I hope the Turks have the full, so that they know their place

[Pacifist with AK]

Quote: raki-uzo

Old people in Russia "got drunk" with pensions and they ask them not to do any harm, but to send "extra" money to Libya to help the "impostor-field marshal.

Rajap, are you ??????????????????

[Pvi1206]

Ankara should know - "she will receive her own."

We are cooperating in one business, in another we will fight ... such is modern politics ...

[D16]

We are cooperating in one thing, in another we will fight ...

Are we here sideways? In Khimki there is no MiG-29. If this message is at least partially true, then most likely Haftar asked Assad's friend to deal with the invasion of greenery from Idlibshchyna. And this is quite fair. We helped Assad to bury the Soviet scumbags.

[D16]

Arrived from the territory of the former Soviet Union.

[alone]

Actually, to be honest, I doubt this information ..

And about the fact that whether an endless war in Libya is beneficial to some forces is one hundred percent ... The same UAE, Saudi Arabia. Why? All southern Europe bought Libyan oil .. It costs less. Now the market for Libya is closed, and its place was taken by the Saudis and sheikhs from the emirates .. There will be no war, there will be no oil from the Middle East in Southern Europe .. That's where they do everything possible so that the war continues

[huntsman650]

What about the pilots? Where from? Out of stock or acting?

[Fregate]

From the current supply!)) You must ask those whose planes, where their pilots come from.

[huntsman650]

Mercenaries)))

[kjhg]

Quote: huntsman650

What about the pilots? Where from? Out of stock or acting?

If Migi really arrived in Libya, then the pilots must be Syrians on the Syrian instant. Naturally, such a maneuver could not have happened without a decision from Moscow.

[Piramidon]

Quote: kjhg

If Migi really arrived in Libya, then the pilots must be Syrians on the Syrian instant

Or the Egyptians in Egyptian, or Sumerians in Ukrainian ...

[kjhg]

Quote: Piramidon

Or the Egyptians on the Egyptian,

Fully possible, by the way

Quote: Piramidon

or Sumerians in Ukrainian ...

Why did you add this?

[Piramidon]

Quote: kjhg

Why did you add this?

Nothing is impossible. They can hire these too. I have experience. Two of their "litaka" have already been burned there.
https://rg.ru/2019/07/28/smi-v-livii-unichtozheny-dva-ukrainskih-il-76.html

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

So I want to say, so that they (the Arabs) oil ended, and winter was like in Russia.

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: raki-uzo

Old people in Russia "got drunk" with pensions and they ask them not to do any harm, but to send "extra" money to Libya to help the "impostor-field marshal.

you are our sufferer ... for the whole Russian people oppressed, for the elderly and their pensions .... what would we do without orphaned and miserable without you? ..... information at the level of OBS and you already started universal whining ... it seems like a false start

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: lonely

Actually, to be honest, I doubt this information ..

And about the fact that whether an endless war in Libya is beneficial to some forces is one hundred percent ... The same UAE, Saudi Arabia. Why? All southern Europe bought Libyan oil .. It costs less. Now the market for Libya is closed, and its place was taken by the Saudis and sheikhs from the emirates .. There will be no war, there will be no oil from the Middle East in Southern Europe .. That's where they do everything possible so that the war continues

you know .... it is beneficial to us too ..... you said right ... Who supports HalHafa? CA, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt - these money have ... so they will buy nishtyaks like "Pantsir", SU-24, MiG-29 for KhalHaf from us and pay with "minted coins"))) .... and the longer there is fuss, the more these soldiers of Allah will love weapons and the more they will buy. This is certainly cynical, but she is so

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: huntsman650

What about the pilots? Where from? Out of stock or acting?

you know ... here I read your question and decided to just see the open info on the air forces of Libya, Syria and Iraq .... I'm not an expert, but it seems to me that there you can work out for HalHaf and his current air forces ... so that we have from the air forces of these countries to all this great commotion ... Libyan Air Force - MiG-21/23/25, Tu-22, SU-22/24 .... Syrian Air Force - MiG-23/29 , SU-22/24 ..... Iraq SU-25 ... but that is, pilots with the skills of aircraft of the USSR can still be found, I think

[Grits]

Quote: Ovsigovets

but that is, pilots with the skills of Soviet aircraft can still be found, I think

Can. But most likely only those who are now real and are these very pilots. That is - almost nobody. Part of them fled during the war, part went to the opposite side, part died during the war, part pulls a military strap somewhere on the ground ... Even those crumbs that can be scraped up are unlikely to be combat ready. You need to have raids again, remember skills.

[Reserve buildbat]

Some unconvincing bloomberg. The skakuas would have already yelled about the 2nd Su-57 regiment, the Armat division and the army of horse-diving armored drills. And here...

[Pandiurin]

If it's true ...
Then in the coming days there will be information about the collision, someone who will bomb someone will knock someone off and with the aircraft belonging will also be more specific.
Haftar is in great need of an urgent revenge, if there were airplanes, then he immediately put into action.

[Lord of the Sith]

Everything is more wonderful and wonderful))

[APASUS]

It seems that Libyan oil has very large reserves, the players are painfully different (there is no other explanation, even the Allies go against each other) and each pursues its own interests?
Most of all the question is about the participation of the Americans. It is they who in every barrel have a stopper, have missed such a conflict? Or maybe they organized a turnover?

[Grits]

Quote: APASUS

Most of all the question is about the participation of the Americans. It is they who in every barrel have a stopper, have missed such a conflict? Or maybe they organized a turnover?

They, as always, come when you need to share the booty. So while they are waiting, on whom to bet. And there they will declare themselves winners.

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: APASUS

It seems that Libyan oil has very large reserves, the players are painfully different (there is no other explanation, even the Allies go against each other) and each pursues its own interests?
Most of all the question is about the participation of the Americans. It is they who in every barrel have a stopper, have missed such a conflict? Or maybe they organized a turnover?

it feels like they are still being defined as "beautiful or smart")))))

[Johann Klassen]

The political prostitution agency, and Bloomberg personally, is in a hurry to report that the planes of the Russian Aerospace Forces, at the request of the State Department and the President of the United States, have been relocated to the lawn in front of the Yellow House and the Oval Toilet.
The US Congress, in its entirety, has resigned.
Good night!?

[jonht]

"One grandmother said ....", in short, speculation and gossip.
I think that if something has flown over, only what has been transmitted in the form of a gum. help, and even that is a big question.

[LeonidL]

Another Arabian Tale

[Pavel57]

These planes set fire to the Turkish frigate?

[Dmitry Vyazmenskiy]

Russian never admits any guilt. Because he tries not to do what he will have to blush for later!

[Klingon]

Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich

And who is this (oh), Bloomberg ???

there is such a city, not even a city but a village in the Black Forest, Blümberg, which translates as a flower mountain. But these people stole the name from the Germans and wrote it in a perverse way into Bloomberg and called them a media resource

[Pavel57]

And the dollar came from taller. Also stolen.))))

[Klingon]

it seems like

[5-9]

Haftara is supported by half of the Arab world, including Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, and the KSA, too .... why some Su-24 hmeimimy? Yes, and Syrian too ... they themselves are missing. Egypt and the United Arab Emirates (the KSA got stuck in the underbelly in Yemen, they have no time for butting with the Turks in the distance) have a lot of weapons. In general, it is not clear what Egypt is waiting for .... we can havtorka kicks ...
But most likely this is a stuffing, because the success of the Tripoli people may well be temporary ...

[Bare]

It's time, it's time to uphold our priorities.

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Gritsa

Quote: Ovsigovets

but that is, pilots with the skills of Soviet aircraft can still be found, I think

Can. But most likely only those who are now real and are these very pilots. That is - almost nobody. Part of them fled during the war, part went to the opposite side, part died during the war, part pulls a military strap somewhere on the ground ... Even those crumbs that can be scraped up are unlikely to be combat ready. You need to have raids again, remember skills.

FROM WHAT? these aircraft have been in service for a long time, most likely there are "enough" pilots prepared for the amount of aviation that HalHaf has ... and due to the likely decline in the demand for these specialists in these countries due to the great turmoil, then for a little money, I am sure there will be required amount

[silver_roman]

"Ikhtamnet" relocated to Libya to save it from democracy. Classic)