Frigate "Admiral Kasatonov" completes state tests

The first serial frigate of project 22350 Admiral fleet Kasatonov "left Baltiysk to continue passing the final stage of state tests. This was reported by the press service of the Western Military District.

In the marine ranges of the Baltic Fleet, the ship’s crew together with industry representatives will check the operability of the ship’s weapons at sea. At sea, the frigate’s crew will carry out a number of anti-submarine missions in collaboration with the Baltic Fleet project 20380 “Stable” and “Stereguschiy” corvettes

- said in a statement.

It is stated that at sea ranges of the Baltic Fleet, ships will practice combat operations by a tactical group against a conditional enemy submarine using anti-submarine weapons and anti-torpedo protection.

In early April, the Severnaya Verf shipyard press service reported that Admiral Kasatonov had begun the final stage of state testing. The ship will conduct final tests in the Baltic Sea, after which it will return to the Severnaya Verf Shipyard to conduct an audit and prepare for transfer to the Russian Navy. The press service explained that, taking into account the state tests, the transfer of the frigate could take place in late May - early June. The customer is not informed about the postponement of the delivery of the ship.

The frigate Admiral Kasatonov is the second ship of the 22350 project and the first serial after the lead frigate Admiral Gorshkov. Displacement of 5 thousand tons with a length of 135 m and a width of 16 m. The frigate is able to travel 4500 miles, while developing a speed of up to 29 knots. Autonomy of navigation is 30 days. The crew is from 170 people.

Main power plant: gas turbine engine with a total capacity of 65 thousand liters. pp., diesel generators with a total capacity of 4 thousand kW.

The frigate is armed with: 130-mm A-192 artillery mount, Poliment-Redoubt anti-aircraft missile system, launchers for 16 anti-ship missiles Onyx or Caliber, anti-submarine complex Package, anti-submarine helicopter Ka-27.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

Step, step ... but steadily. There are more and more ships. Modern. It cannot but "cause satisfaction" ...

[KVU-NSVD]

It’s just interesting - why should he drive him from the North to the Baltic Sea to complete the tests, and then back to podsamanovanie and transfer to the fleet? In the North, it was impossible to finish everything, at local training grounds and then to the duty station? I understand that I misunderstand something, but I don’t understand what ..

[Bashkirkhan]

"Admiral Kasatonov" needs to take part in the parade in St. Petersburg in July. The frigate can be delivered to the fleet directly at the factory.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Jokingly, war is garbage, the main thing is maneuvers.

[seregin-s1]

Podshamanivanie in St. Petersburg will be where it was built.

[FIR FIR]

And to which fleet will he be assigned? If the Baltic, then everything is natural.

[venik]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

It’s just interesting - why should he drive him from the North to the Baltic Sea to complete the tests, and then back to podsamanovanie and transfer to the fleet? I understand that I misunderstand something, but I don’t understand what ..

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The only thing that you do not "understand" is that the "Severnaya Verf" (ex. "Putilovsky Zavod"), where the "Kasatika" was built, is not in Murmansk, but in Petersburg! He went out from there, and will return there (for "shamming"), and then he will go to the North (in the sense of the Northern Fleet)!

[Igor Borisov_2]

Good news, worthy !!!

[Kerensky]

Crew - from 170 people.

Before? Again, the number of posts changed

[Fmax]

On such a ship a crew of 170 people. Range - 4500 thousand miles. That is why, in comparison with analogues, such a large number of crews and short range? Arly Burke has a range of 6000 miles and superior weapons. The French FREMM, with similar displacement and armament, have a crew of 108 people and 6000 miles of travel, and also an air superior group (2 helicopters versus 1 ours). Horizons have superior air defense, and their range is generally 7000 miles.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: FMax

That is why, in comparison with analogues, such a large number of crews and short range?

well let's see

Quote: FMax

Arly Burke has a range of 6000 miles and superior weapons.

Nothing that Arly Burke is a destroyer, that is, a ship above the class?

Quote: FMax

The FREMM French have a similar displacement and armament with a crew of 108 people and 6000 miles

About weapons - have fun. The Frenchman has 16 mines under the KR SCALP Naval. These are cruise missiles to destroy only ground targets with a range of 1000 km. 22350 - 16 mines under the Kyrgyz Republic Caliber with a range of 2500 km, which can also use the Caliber RCC, Caliber PLUR and Onyx RCC, and in the future also Zircon. But let's not talk about sad things, let’s dwell on what we have now. In the arsenal of 22350 there are missiles with a range of 2 km, anti-ship missiles with a range of at least 500 km (actually more), including supersonic and PLUR with a firing range of 300 km. The French have no PLUR at all, the KR flies 50 times less, the RCC Exoset jumps up to 2,5 km. And the only joy is a larger ammunition load - 180 Exosets in light installations + 8 KR in mines.
Frankly speaking, this is such an advantage, in general, the shock capabilities of the 22350 are much higher.
Anti-submarine and anti-torpedo weapons The Frenchman has a small-caliber anti-submarine TA, we have the same caliber Package that can work against submarines and against torpedoes. Again, the advantage of 22350.
SAM The Frenchman has 16 cells where exactly 16 missiles fit, if my sclerosis does not lie to me. At 22350 - 32 cells, which fit either one long-range (120 km, like the French) or 4 small missiles. The clear advantage of the Russian frigate.
Artillery. We have 130-mm AC, 76-mm - with them. at 22350 there are 2 ZRAK Broadsword, the Frenchman - 2 20 mm Narwhal. According to the technical characteristics (density of fire, range, etc.), narwhals do not compare with ours. Again, plus 22350
Aviation One helicopter with us and with them. Parity however :)

Quote: FMax

also a superior air group (2 helicopters versus 1 for us)

as far as I remember, 2 helicopters French frigates can carry only in the ITALIAN anti-submarine version :)))

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: FMax

Horizons have superior air defense, and their range is generally 7000 miles.

Horizons, for a second, have a displacement of 6 tons (and not 700 at 5), but I would not call it the best air defense. It is really better in the British Daring, but the Italian EMPAR radar - well, that’s for itself :))))) UVP has 400 cells for SAM, but only one missile crawls into each. That is a maximum of 22350 missiles. With 48 cells, we have a maximum of 48 missiles. And with normal ammunition (say, 32 medium-range and 128-short) from 20 or more.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Parity however :)

This is despite the fact that the United States was going to order frigates from Italians. And if you remember that mattresses in relation to the fleet are very proud birds, then such an order is akin to recognizing your incompetence in the construction of this class of ships.

On April 30, 2020, the U.S. Navy announced that it had chosen the American shipbuilding association Fincantieri, the American shipbuilding company Marinette Marine Corporation (MMC) in Marinette (Wisconsin), as a designer and builder of promising frigates for the US Navy under the FFG (X) program. Thus, this means the choice for the US Navy in the competition for the FFG (X) program of the proposed MMC (Fincantieri) project frigate based on the French-Italian project (Italian version) of frigates FREMM.

And they really need frigates, since Burke will begin to write off in the foreseeable future, but there is no replacement for them.

[Fmax]

There is arly burke 3 with 48-64 cells for shock weapons, 80 air defense cells, 155 mm gun mount and radar with AFAR. And this despite the fact that the oldest Arly Burke was launched in the year 91, and they are constantly being modernized.

[Cyril G ...]

The main thing is that pr.22350 is worse, it is a PLO question. Our enemies can reload 324 mm TA, but we cannot Pack, because of the TPK. And a small number of torpedoes and anti-torpedoes is a real problem
Here's how they do it ...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Here's how they do it ...

And we have PLUR in UKKS. And, to be honest, a ship armed ONLY with 324-mm torpedoes is unlikely to have time to recharge when it meets a submarine. Of course, the lack of reloading the Package is a drawback (and not the only one) but not to say that it is fatal

[Cyril G ...]

PLUR reduce ammunition of the Kyrgyz Republic. This is a minus. PLURs in a combat campaign are really needed - at least 2, better than 4. The main task of the Package is to protect the ship from torpedoes and to finish off an already destroyed enemy submarine, in my opinion. It is clear that these are common truths, however, I will once again voice ...

In any case, from the point of view of anti-torpedo protection of the existing ammunition, it is not enough.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Cyril G ...

PLUR reduce ammunition of the Kyrgyz Republic. This is a minus.

relative to the Frenchman - this is not a minus, but a plus, because we have the opportunity to put PLUR, the Frenchman does not have such an opportunity.

Quote: Cyril G ...

In any case, from the point of view of anti-torpedo protection of the existing ammunition, it is not enough.

The Frenchman PTZ does not have the word "in general".

[Cyril G ...]

Of course, the lack of reloading the Package is a drawback (and not the only one) but not to say that it is fatal

All the same, this is not an OVR corvette. Spinning around the base ...

With 32 cells, we have a maximum of 128 missiles. And with normal ammunition (say, 20 medium-range and 48-short) from 60 or more.

Judging because it was shown in mock-ups and told, the 9M100 will have a damage zone of up to 15 km, and is guided by ARGS. I was somewhat surprised by the decision. On the other hand, I did not see a good table with the price tags of missiles from which it would be possible to draw conclusions. I can only compare the price of Aim-120 and AiM-9. Offhand AiM-120 costs twice as much ...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Cyril G ...

All the same, this is not an OVR corvette. Spinning around the base ...

In the case of a large badabum, it will rotate in the coastal seas. But that’s not the point. As an anti-submarine weapon 324-mm - very so-so. In some situation it may work, of course ... Well, no one complains about the weakness of the "last chance" pistol, because it is much better than nothing, and situations in which it can be useful are very rare.

Quote: Cyril G ...

Judging because it was shown in mock-ups and told, the 9M100 will have a damage zone of up to 15 km, and is guided by ARGS.

No, using IR GOS.

[Cyril G ...]

As an anti-submarine weapon 324-mm - very so-so. In some situation, it may work, of course ... Well, no one complains about the weakness of the "last chance" pistol, because it is much better than nothing, and situations in which it can be useful are very rare.

In general, it’s normal, because most likely Dobn submarines are really small especially in the same Baltic. Detection of submarines in general is extremely unpredictable. If in Kamchatka, the Albatrosses of Shelon have somehow taken submarines from 44 km as I recall, then in the Baltic the range may not exceed 6-8 km or even less

Further,

If the image is at least somewhat adequate, then there is no TGS at all,
maybe only RK or ARGSN ......
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2732719.html
But what they write in the BMPD and often does not intersect with their own pictures.

In the case of pr.20380, there is no radio correction for them.
I heard that on the 9M100 they screwed all the same ARGSN. So we'll see.

[Cyril G ...]

Not to mention, by the way, the need to have as many anti-torpedoes as possible in the event of a salvo of an enemy submarine

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Cyril G ...

In general, it’s normal, because most likely Dobn submarines are really small especially in the same Baltic.

I will not say anything about the Baltic, but 22350 - they are for the North and for the Pacific. They will be shoved into the Baltic last, if any.

Quote: Cyril G ...

If the image is at least somewhat adequate, then there is no TGS at all,

This is for sure - or is it just a drop-off nose, but I strongly doubt that. However, in the photo - 9M100E. And with IGSN 9M100. Perhaps the "yeshka" is telecontrolled, who knows?

Quote: Cyril G ...

In the case of pr.20380, there is no radio correction for them.

That's for sure. Although - how not? Puma adjusted. This is of course called adenoids autogenous through the seat, but still.

Quote: Cyril G ...

Not to mention, by the way, the need to have as many anti-torpedoes as possible in the event of a salvo of an enemy submarine

Well, 22350 have at least some of them. The French frigate that was being discussed has none at all.

[Cyril G ...]

They will be shoved into the Baltic last, if any.

I hope the Ministry of Defense has enough intelligence not to shove its prestige as a ship ....

This is for sure - or is it just a drop-off nose, but I strongly doubt that. However, in the photo - 9M100E. And with IGSN 9M100. Perhaps the "yeshka" is telecontrolled, who knows?

- dropping the bow? Strongly unlikely. I have never seen such a missile.
- For remote control, in one form or another, a command transmitter or AFAR is required. On pr.20380 this is not. What is the Barrier I do not know.
- 9M100E? Everything is simple to disgrace - once at the exhibition, then E - export.
- one comrade directly told me about the ARGSN. It seems so.
How there really sooner or later will be clear.

That's for sure. Although - how not? Puma adjusted.

Unfortunately no. Although Puma is a relative of the AP Dagger AP, it is neutered, and the SEC (command transfer station) is not there as a class. The whole point of Redoubt and Furke not getting anywhere at all is that Furke did not provide accurate target tracking. Therefore, according to rumors, there were continuous mistakes. They began to accompany Puma began to fall, because Puma RLSU AO, there the order of accuracy of tracking the target is completely different and ARGSN began to capture the target normally

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Cyril G ...

I hope the Ministry of Defense has enough intelligence not to shove its prestige as a ship ....

There is not so much intelligence as there are not enough ships :)))

Quote: Cyril G ...

dropping the bow? Strongly unlikely.

I agree, I also doubt it

Quote: Cyril G ...

For remote control, in one form or another, a command transmitter or AFAR is required. On pr.20380 this is not. What is the Barrier I do not know.

So I think - there is 9M100 with IR

Quote: Cyril G ...

9M100E? Everything is simple to disgrace - once at the exhibition, then E - export.

Here - not that I do not agree at all, but the fact is that in our country export options are usually denoted by the letter "e". ZM-54E, for example. Or new trends, or still a new rocket. And the barrier is at 20385.

Quote: Cyril G ...

one comrade directly told me about ARGS

So I was also told about IR rockets on 20380 - people, not Google. Remember who ... a long time ago it was.

Quote: Cyril G ...

The whole point of Redoubt and Furke not getting anywhere at all is that Furke did not provide accurate target tracking. Therefore, according to rumors, there were continuous mistakes. They began to accompany Puma began to fall,

As I heard, the lack of precise tracking did not allow me to missile missiles in flight. They used Puma - they began to know exactly where the target was - there was the possibility of flood. But I can not vouch

[Cyril G ...]

there 9M100 with IR

Well, you understand, there the TGSN should be there ... This is not. So either the layout is not correct, or the principle of pointing different

Or new trends, or still a new rocket.

Maybe quite ..

And the barrier is at 20385.

While the Barrier was screwed to 385, and there are still a bunch of ships without a barrier. What is there to do?

about IR rockets on 20380 - people, not Google. Remember who ... a long time ago it was.

They told me literally 2 weeks ago, specifically asking. We consider it a version so far, but fairly reliable.

They used Puma - they began to know exactly where the target was - there was the possibility of flood. But I can not vouch

Look for the latest complexes I will not say, but the principle is the same for everyone.
For example, Wasp includes 9 radars.
- SOC, target detection station
- SSC, wide beam tracking station, for primary target tracking
- SSC, narrow beam station, for accurate target tracking
- SVR1 and SVR2, missile sighting stations. (Passive)
- SPK1 and SPK2, telecontrol command transmission stations for missiles (Asset)
- state recognition system

It is clear that having a headlamp, and even more so, aphar design significantly changes. BUT the essence remains the same.
So, to transmit radio correction commands, you need a mini-SEC (command transfer station), it can’t be on Puma, or the radar needs to be completely processed, which was not done

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Well, you understand, there the TGSN should be there ... This is not. So either the layout is not correct, or the principle of pointing different

As far as I know, the 9M100 was not shown to the public at all, there is no photo of this rocket. And there is only a photo 9M100E. If we assume that the 9M100 and 9M100E are different missiles, then everything falls into place. I appreciated your suggestion that E is export, but still, in such cases, we use the letter E.

Quote: Cyril G ...

While the Barrier was screwed to 385, and there are still a bunch of ships without a barrier. What is there to do?

Shoot 9M100 with IR GOS :))) And use 9M96E with Puma :)

Quote: Cyril G ...

They told me literally 2 weeks ago, specifically asking. We consider it a version so far, but fairly reliable.

Willingly I believe. It is strange, of course, that the AGSN piled up on such a short-range missile, but if you have such information from a reliable source - how can I brush it aside?

Quote: Cyril G ...

So, to transmit radio correction commands, you need a mini-SEC (command transfer station), it can’t be on Puma, or the radar needs to be completely processed, which was not done

I agree. But this is the case - either at 20380 there was initially no system for correcting missiles in flight (and then it is not at all clear how they were going to shoot missiles with AGSN) or the complex redoubt still has a SEC in its composition. But not in the form of a separate complex of fire control radars, as in the same Wasp, Fort, etc., of course.

[Cyril G ...]

Willingly I believe. It is strange, of course, that the AGSN piled up on such a short-range missile, but if you have such information from a reliable source - how can I brush it aside?

So I myself do not quite believe to this day, but on the other hand, the reliability is high ... We'll see. The first shooting.

or the complex redoubt still has

I suppose we decided to save and do without SUV, remembering the Hurricane. Not, but why really. ARGSN itself will find !? Everything was aggravated by the fact that they saved on the development, on the experimental vessel, the complex was not even tested in the Redut trimmed configuration, but also with Polyment. IMHO outwitted themselves
Radio correction, as I understand it, is only on the Poliment Redoubt frigates ...

9M100 with infrared seeker

I do not exclude it. However, here again, radio correction and implementation of capture on the trajectory are needed ....

By the way, look here, here along the way for the first time flashed 9M96E and 9M96E2 ....

http://www.rusarmy.com/pvo/pvo_vvs/zur_9m96e_9m96e2.html

With us they go now as simple as 9M96

[venik]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

And we have PLUR in UKKS. And, to be honest, a ship armed with ONLY 324-mm torpedoes is unlikely to have time to recharge when it meets a submarine.

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Andrey (from Chelyabinsk) -
Although, as for me - pr. 22350 would not hurt at all RBK-6000 (with PLUR 90R) or additional (second set of "Package-NK") ........ Even to the detriment of additional UKSK 3S14 (which are planned for new (improved 22350)! That's THEN you get a UNIVERSAL and very even BALANCED ship!
I'd like to believe that at least some of this is being implemented (at least at 22350M!).
Again -

[Cyril G ...]

RBU must still be put on BMZ ships - OVR corvettes. In shallow water, the Dobn submarine is much smaller than in deep-sea areas .... In the frigate of the RBU there is no need ...

[Liam]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Caliber with a range of 2500 km

It will not be difficult to share data when and where was the Caliber tested at a distance of 2500 km?

[venik]

Quote: Liam

It will not be difficult to share data when and where was the Caliber tested at a distance of 2500 km?

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In the Caspian Sea (shelling of militants in Syria)!

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Was there 2 km - I don’t know! But shoot that not always AT THE LIMIT range ..... You know a lot of artillerymen who have brought THIS in REAL fighting conditions?
And at the ranges, "calibers" were fired at a long range ...

[Cyril G ...]

Missiles didn’t go along the shortest path, but agreed corridors

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Liam

It will not be difficult to share data when and where was the Caliber tested at a distance of 2500 km?

They don’t report to me. Is there any doubt? :))))

[Liam]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Quote: Liam

It will not be difficult to share data when and where was the Caliber tested at a distance of 2500 km?

They don’t report to me. Is there any doubt? :))))

Well, you are positioning yourself as an expert expert. And experts should not write nonsense from the ceiling, at least out of self-esteem)
Russia has missile systems that exceed the range of the Caliber missiles. This was announced today, October 19, by Russian President Vladimir Putin, speaking as part of a discussion at the Valdai Club.

“In addition to the Caliber, which has a range of 1400 kilometers, we also have other air-based missile systems - 4,5 range,” he said. The head of state added that the "Caliber" has demonstrated its effectiveness in Syria

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Liam

Well, you are positioning yourself as an expert expert. And experts should not write nonsense from the ceiling, at least out of self-esteem)

This is not nonsense from the ceiling, but the statement of an official with the rank of rear admiral
Caliber-NK is completing state tests, most of which took place on the Black Sea. The commander of the Caspian flotilla, Rear Admiral Sergey Alekminsky said this at a meeting with the President of Dagestan Magomedsalam Magomedov.
“The test results are positive,” the commander of the flotilla said. “The ship is not bad, with modern fillings. It is currently the most powerful ship in the arsenal of the Russian fleet. It has a missile system, the range of which is 375 km for surface targets and for coastal targets - up to 2 km. There are no more such complexes with powerful missile weapons in Russia, only in submarines. "

Quote: Liam

In addition to Caliber, which has a range of 1400 kilometers

GDP in its repertoire ... Gauges in Syria flew over 1500 km

[Liam]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

GDP in its repertoire

Accuse the Commander-in-Chief of not knowing the materiel?)
The Commander-in-Chief of the Chereomorsk Fleet also does not know the range of the Caliber or is it just that you would annoy?
On March 11, 2016, at the ceremony of raising the St. Andrew’s flag on the frigate Admiral Grigorovich, the commander of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy announced that this ship had a combat area of ​​800 thousand km² when firing at sea targets, and 7 million km² when firing at ground objects. This indicates the ability of the ship to hit surface targets in a radius of about 500 km, ground - in a radius of about 1500 km (with a non-nuclear warhead).
https://youtu.be/tN_vikqKzPY

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Caliber in Syria flew over 1500 km

You are unlikely to be able to name the exact launch site in the Caspian Sea, the exact flight route and the point of "landing" of the Calibers in Syria to justify 1500 km.
But I asked about megagalactic 2500)

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Liam

Accuse the Commander-in-Chief of not knowing the materiel?)

Among the many accusations. But perhaps not necessarily in this case.

Quote: Liam

The Commander-in-Chief of the Chereomorsk Fleet also does not know the range of the Caliber or is it just that you would annoy?

I believe that we are talking about different modifications of the Caliber. It is also possible that 1500 km is a range with special warheads

Quote: Liam

You are unlikely to be able to name the exact launch site in the Caspian Sea, the exact flight route and the point of "landing" of the Calibers in Syria to justify 1500 km.

It's right. Although at one time I measured according to the flight scheme, but, firstly, it was not preserved, and secondly, you still say that it is incorrect :))))

Quote: Liam

But I asked about megagalactic 2500)

Taking into account the fact that for "Pomegranates" the range was called even 3 km, I don't see anything galactic.

[5-9]

2500 km - with special warheads ... do you really want to be tested on someone?
With the usual - 1600 km, which is still much more than that of Scalp, whose really tested range is about km, because when he tried to post-shoot in Syria, he generally refused to leave the mine :)))

[Fmax]

In any case, the ship is much inferior to competitors in terms of automation and power reserve. Our 22350 was going to intercept the French squadron, but the fuel ran out. And the French are like that and say - "Let's wait until the Russians refuel, otherwise it's not fair!" Or the Americans are like - "Well, how can we send an entire destroyer against the Russian frigate !? %) Well, in terms of armament, I certainly didn’t have enough, there is only about identical air defense.

[Amateur modeller]

Your comparison with Arlie Burke is incorrect, Berk is a destroyer, the standard displacement of the I series of these ships is 6630 tons, the IIA series already has 7061 tons versus 4500 tons for Gorshkov, plus the crew there is much larger - from 327 to 380, depending on the series, well and better armed. So Burke is not at all analogous to Gorshkov. About "Fremma" - I agree.

[Fmax]

Arly Burke is the main workhorse of the U.S. Navy. The Chinese have 052 -ts, -d, etc. the French have fremmas, the British have derring, the Iponians have Atago. We have 22350, maybe someday 22350m will appear. How to contrast a ship with a range of 4500 miles to a ship with a range of at least 6000 miles?

[NEXUS]

Quote: FMax

Arly Burke has a range of 6000 miles and superior weapons.

That is, you do not understand the difference between a frigate and a destroyer ...

[venik]

Quote: NEXUS

That is, you do not understand the difference between a frigate and a destroyer.

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AND YOU - CAN EXPLAIN THAN TODAY Is the "destroyer" different from the "frigate"?
The difference between the classes of ships is already so "REFLECTED"What go and figure it out - where is the" corvette ", where is the" frigate ", and where is the" destroyer "?
Here's an example: the American missile CRUISER "Ticonderoga" has a total displacement of as much as 9 800 tons ..... and "Marshal Shaposhnikov" (recently "declassified" ("demoted") in "frigates") - 7 tons!
And at the same time - already on TWO class BELOW !!!

[Fmax]

in modern realities, the frigate is a destroyer for the homeless.

[venik]

Quote: FMax

That is why, in comparison with analogues, such a large number of crews and short range?

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Let's figure it out:
1) The number of crew.
Frigate "Gorshkov" (Russia) - 170 people.
Destroyer "A. Burke" (USA, latest series) - 368 people (twice as much);
Frigate "Alvaro de Bazan" (Spain) - 250 people (1.5 times more);
Frigate "Horizon" (France-Italy) - 230 people (1.35 times more);
Destroyer "Daring" (Great Britain) - 190 people (1.12 times more);
Frigate "Project 054A" (China) - 190 people (1.12 times more);
Frigate type FREMM (French-Italian) - 108 people (1.6 times smaller)
As you can see, the smaller crew only at FREMM! The rest have much more. At the same time - "Berk" has much more powerful weapons, the rest of the listed - comparable.
Conclusion: in terms of the level of automation and mechanization of processes, "Pots" look VERY good, ahead of almost all competitors !!!

2) Cruising range (for this we compare the total displacement with the cruising range - D / B coefficient = Cruising range (miles) / Total displacement (tons), which makes it possible to evaluate the hydrodynamic quality and efficiency of EI):
"Gorshkov" - 5 tons / 400 miles (D / H = 4);
Arolie Burke - 9 t / 648 miles (D / H = 6), [ --34%];
Alvaro de Bazan - 5 tons / 802 miles (D / H = 5), [+ 000%];
"Horizon" - 6 tons / 700 miles (D / H = 7), [+ 000%];
FREMM - 6 t / 700 miles (D / W = 6), [+ 000%];
Daring - 8700 tons / 7 miles (D / H = 000), [+ 0,80%];
Project 054A - 4 / 053 miles (D / V = ​​3), [+ 800%];
As you can see, the situation here is worse - pr. 22350 is significantly inferior to the Italian-French "Horizon" (by 25%), the Chinese "054A" (by 13%) and FREMM - (by 8%). With "de Bazan" and "Daring" - about "on the level", but "Burke" - and generally "out of competition" - the most UNECONOMIC!
Conclusion: Not everything is so bad, but with propellers and engines (and possibly with hydrodynamics) - "you have to think about something"!
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Well, HOW after that to understand your panic maxims?

[Liam]

Quote: venik

1) The number of crew.
Frigate "Gorshkov" (Russia) - 170 people.

Quote: venik

The frigate "Horizon" (France-Italy) - 230 people. (1.35 times more);

Andrea Doria (D 553)
Cacciatorpedinière

Crew 192 military:
Chapter 24
87 sottufficiali
81 graduati e comuni

Quote: venik

2) Range

Quote: venik

"Gorshkov" - 5 tons / 400 miles

Quote: venik

Horizon "- 6 tons / 700 miles

Everything would be fine. But Gorshkov does this range at 14 knots, and Horizon at 18. And this does not concern the real state of Gorshkov's systems and mechanisms with which he has been tormented for more than 10 years, who spent more on repairs than on the go.
Generally far-fetched diploma

[venik]

Quote: Liam

Everything would be fine. But Gorshkov does this range at 14 knots, and Horizon at 18

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Waited for THIS comment! And I agree fully!
That is why I wrote at the end: "You have to THINK something!"
DO NOT leave the situation to "drift"!

[Fmax]

And what does it have to do with profitability, the combat capabilities of a ship at one refueling will be economically evaluated by the hydrodynamics and eco-number of EUs, or by the real tactical possibility of maneuver and direct maneuverability of the course? You better count the crew for displacement and weapons capabilities. And the Chinese frigate 054A is generally a ship of the near-far marine zone, an analogue of our corvettes.

[Cyril G ...]

So near or far?

[Vlad Malkin]

And what can you hear about the engines on the third and fourth frigate?

[Sky strike fighter]

One of these days "Admiral Golovko" with a completely Russian power plant will be lowered.

"Admiral Golovko" is the third ship in the series of Project 22350 frigates and the second serial one. Laid down on February 1, 2012, transfer to the fleet is scheduled for 2021. At present, the lead frigate of project 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov" is serving in the Russian Navy, the first serial "Admiral Kasatonov" is being prepared for commissioning. The fourth frigate of the series (third serial) "Admiral Isakov" was laid down on November 14, 2013 and is being completed. Two more frigates of this project - Admiral Amelko and Admiral Chichagov - were laid down at Severnaya Verf on April 23, 2019.

Note that Admiral Golovko is the first Project 22350 frigate with a completely Russian power plant. The lead and first serial frigates of Project 22350 - Admiral Gorshkov and Admiral Kasatonov - are equipped with Russian-made diesel engines, but gas turbine units (GTU) manufactured by the Ukrainian enterprise Zorya-Mashproekt are used as afterburners. The "Admiral Golovko" has a domestic analogue of the Ukrainian GTU.

https://topwar.ru/171437-nazvany-novye-sroki-spuska-na-vodu-fregata-proekta-22350-admiral-golovko.html

[Vlad Malkin]

Sky Strike fighter (Maxim)

Thank! So it’s off!