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Airborne combat lasers: not everyone believes in the prospects

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One of the modern areas in the field of defense research and development is combat lasers. Several countries are involved in this area. Russia is among the foremost. The Russian Armed Forces have been equipped with the Peresvet combat laser system, which can be used as one of the segments of the air defense and missile defense systems.


In turn, the research system for creating combat lasers has a special, so to speak, niche. These are aviation-based combat laser systems. In the future, as expected, the 6th generation fighters (what follows the F-22, F-35, J-20 and Su-57) will be able to use military laser systems as their main armament. However, not everyone is ready to believe in such prospects today.

One of the skeptics in this matter is the head of the US Department of Defense's research department, Mike Griffin. According to him, an experiment with military lasers for military means aviation may take place. But, according to Griffin, it is not necessary to say that with the help of a laser one plane can bring down another with the level of technology that is now and which will be in the medium term.

Griffin expressed his views on this subject during a remote meeting of the Round Table on Security and Space Activities.

Griffin:

I am skeptical that we will be able to put a high-power laser on the plane and use it, for example, to destroy enemy missiles even from a relatively close distance.

It is worth noting that today the Pentagon is trying to deploy work as part of a pilot program for the US Air Force. It aims to create, until 2030, a combat laser system capable of intercepting missiles of at least two classes — air-to-air and ground-to-air — in the air.

There are more than enough problems in implementing such a program. One of them is the need for laser power to create a pulse that could disable a missile in flight. No modern energy storage device can be effectively used on a fighter. The reason is the weight and dimensions.

For those batteries that are used for a ground-based combat laser, a military transporter is suitable. But only a power plant will occupy its main useful internal space, and therefore there is so far no particular sense in using such aircraft as carriers of combat laser weapons. Protect yourself? But what is the meaning of his flight without a payload? Protect other aircraft? But in which case, what? .. Certainly not fighters, given the speed parameters. Consequently, other aircraft of the same class. But as far as appropriate, is also a big question.

In this regard, experts propose to solve the problem of optimizing the power of a combat laser and a power plant that provides pumping. In particular, such an aspect is highlighted as the use of a relatively low-power laser not to destroy enemy missiles, but, for example, to disorient them in space.

One of the suggestions is that the laser does not “burn” a rocket in its flight, but creates a “snag” target, literally tracing in space. A kind of laser show for military purposes. But the task only at first glance may seem relatively easily solved. It’s one thing to do a laser show for the audience, another thing is to expose a laser beam of a certain power in space so that it is “noticed” by a rocket and confused for a real purpose. If such a task in the near future will be solved at least at the level of theoretical research, then aviation combat lasers can indeed have a great future with small dimensions of the power plant.
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  1. Shahno
    Shahno 21 May 2020 15: 26 New
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    // One of the suggestions is that the laser does not “burn” a rocket in its flight, but creates a “snag” target, literally tracing in space. A kind of laser show for military purposes. But the task only at first glance may seem relatively easily solved.
    Alexei, do you have an education that digests this set of words? Uh, not to say that I did not understand.
    But this is more like a work by Gogol. Logic (even Lukasevich laughing ) there seems to be no .........
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 21 May 2020 15: 46 New
      +3
      Engineer Hyperboloid Garin - the only effective working instance! repeat
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 21 May 2020 16: 38 New
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        No, not the only one. Lasers, Martians burned London long before the invention of engineer Garin.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 22 May 2020 01: 44 New
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          Quote: Svetlana
          Martians burned out London

          Sergei hi And this is extraterrestrial technology!
      2. Bar1
        Bar1 25 May 2020 08: 32 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Engineer Hyperboloid Garin - the only effective working instance

        we also have our own Putin hyperboloid-Peresvet and Chelubey. Shoot-jump, go crazy.
    2. Avior
      Avior 21 May 2020 16: 50 New
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      In modern missiles with IR guidance, they use a matrix and guidance on the image, and not on the point.
      An ordinary trap will not fool such a GOS.
      So they try to draw a picture of the target with a laser
      1. dzvero
        dzvero 21 May 2020 18: 25 New
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        Those. IR hologram? But will they be able to imitate the signature, especially the intensity? After all, if it works out, then, perhaps, a new class of false goals will appear, and not only in the air.
        1. Avior
          Avior 21 May 2020 19: 30 New
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          I doubt that it is so difficult
          there are matrices with not very high resolution, not HD
    3. Civil
      Civil 21 May 2020 19: 38 New
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      The latest combat laser hit the imagination. So far, they have not managed to hit anything.
      In general, it all depends on the availability of a budget for this business. Either the laser is enough or the press service with cartoons.
    4. mark2
      mark2 21 May 2020 19: 41 New
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      Автор имел ввиду, что летит ракета такая, и тут раз в воздухе нарисовалась надпись. "Цель! Добро пожаловать" Ракета прочитала, репу почесала и полетала в указанном лазером направлении.
  2. tanki-tanki
    tanki-tanki 21 May 2020 15: 47 New
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    Combat lasers are a good idea.
    Pentagon is trying to deploy work as part of a pilot program for the US Air Force

    Do you have any in Russia?
  3. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 21 May 2020 16: 01 New
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    May Gd deal with land and sea based.
    On airplanes today there are neither free volumes for lasers, nor capacities for their pumping. hi
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 21 May 2020 16: 11 New
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      If you put a sufficient source of power on the plane, it will in itself be comparable to an A-bomb.
  4. Sergey39
    Sergey39 21 May 2020 16: 02 New
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    It doesn’t matter if such lasers are made or not. The main thing is to get money for research and design. All these modern military projects in the USA do not pursue other goals.
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 21 May 2020 17: 19 New
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    Alexei, in theory this has been decided a long time ago, but in practice everything depends on the materials for the laser itself, a focusing system at high speed against the same high-speed target, cooling the laser without power take-off in flight. ..and about three dozen more problems! So, from theory to practice, there is more than one, and even more so, a very gigantic step.
  6. Masha
    Masha 21 May 2020 17: 23 New
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    However, not everyone is ready to believe in such prospects today.

    So zvizdet that everything is shitty, the first thing! wink
  7. Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev 21 May 2020 17: 25 New
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    The task of an aircraft laser is initially supposed to destroy missiles. Or ballistic, or anti-aircraft. Actually, all experimental aviation systems were created as part of the missile defense system, and the developments on the market are designed to blind heat-guided anti-aircraft and aircraft missiles.
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 21 May 2020 18: 49 New
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      By the way, how is it going with your Israeli lasers?
      А то уже семь или восемь лет "вот вот заступит на боевое дежурство".
      Enlighten me. hi
      1. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 21 May 2020 19: 13 New
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        О какой именно израильской лазерной системе идёт речь? "Наутилус", совместный с американцами, закрыт лет 15 назад. "Керен Барзель", разработку которого начали в 2014 году, в январе вышел на испытания. Системы самообороны самолётов, ослепляющие ракеты с тепловым наведением, уже давно в серии и активно продаются для защиты гражданских самолётов.
        1. psiho117
          psiho117 21 May 2020 19: 26 New
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          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          "Керен Барзель"

          He, the devil, forgot the name.
          It was only in the 14th that it was already ready to be shown at Singapore's Airshow-2014, and development began in 2009, sort of ...
          By the 15th year they promised to deploy.
          In 2016, it was finally adopted.
          Now 2020.
          Меня некоторые израильские товарищи, с 16-го года убеждают, что "в следующем месяце комплекс заступит на боевое дежурство".
          Уже, блин, на корветах Саар-5, видели на надстройке что-то очень похожее на лазер, а "железного луча" всё нет и нет.
          So I'm interested.
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev 21 May 2020 19: 36 New
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            В 2014 году "Керен Барзель" презентовали на выставке в Сингапуре в виде ролика и модельки. Никто его в 2015 году не то что развернуть, в металле создать не обещали. И уж тем более не принимали на вооружение.
            1. psiho117
              psiho117 21 May 2020 19: 53 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              presented ... in the form of a video and modelki

              Truth? and here
              Ezra Senderowitz, Rafael's Deputy General Director for Marketing and Business Development, explained what the company presented at the exhibition prototypes of the complex

              Также, он поведал, что "на сегодняшний день проведено уже около 100 стрельб, и их результаты можно оценить как «очень хорошие»".
              https://army-news.net/2014/02/izrail-predstavil-boevuyu-lazernuyu-sistemu-iron-beam/
              Почитал ещё вашу Википедию - так у вас лазеров хоть попой ешь, и "железный луч", и Тор, и Drone Dome, и «Маген Гедеон», и Клинок света, и морского базирования и 2 неназванные, в том числе для установки на Геркулесах...
              True, there is nothing on combat duty so far. It is only written that a land-based fixed installation at the end of 2020 will be installed on the border with the Gaza Strip to test it in combat conditions.
              Well, we'll wait. I've been waiting for 6 years ... hi
              1. Vitaly gusin
                Vitaly gusin 21 May 2020 21: 04 New
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                Quote: psiho117
                I've been waiting for 6 years ...

                You know that there is the best aircraft in the world that has been waiting for 10 years.
                But such aircraft already exist. But no one has such a system, so 6 years for a completely new development, which has not been in the world for such a long time.
                Let's hope that soon we will see her in action.
              2. Zeev Zeev
                Zeev Zeev 21 May 2020 23: 19 New
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                Do not read such information in Russian. Your journalists do not translate correctly.
                1. psiho117
                  psiho117 21 May 2020 23: 54 New
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                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  Your journalists do not translate correctly.

                  Well, as if these were the answers to the very same Russian journalists from your deputy director of the company Rafael. And something tells me that they communicated not in Hebrew.
                  Do not read such information in Russian

                  No comments belay
                  1. Zeev Zeev
                    Zeev Zeev 22 May 2020 07: 27 New
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                    Something tells me that your journalists did not communicate with the deputy general director. Neither Hebrew nor English
  8. G. Georgiev
    G. Georgiev 21 May 2020 17: 26 New
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    This is currently a meaningless article for those who are versed in physics.
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 21 May 2020 18: 13 New
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      Quote: G. Georgiev
      This is currently a meaningless article for those who are versed in physics.
      Reply

      For many years, Israel has been using civilian airplanes to protect against MANPADS - Magen Rakiya. The system also uses a laser beam and has been operational for several years.
      As part of the development of a combat aviation system for UAVs (called the Hermes-900), the prototype will be placed on a transport aircraft; Hercules at the first stage. After its tests, the UAV system will be finalized, it is estimated that it will be operational after 18 months and is designed to destroy missiles up to 30 miles away, as well as short-range mortars, anti-tank missiles and small aircraft.
      There is a video, I did not insert it so as not to write about the cartoon.
      1. G. Georgiev
        G. Georgiev 21 May 2020 22: 35 New
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        Do you know how many kilowatts a laser beam must have to destroy a rocket 30 miles away?
        В настоящее время,в мире ,нет более мощного лазера, чем российский наземнь " Пересвет" ,что составляет 3 МВт.
        1. Shopping Mall
          Shopping Mall 28 May 2020 12: 30 New
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          Quote: G. Georgiev
          Do you know how many kilowatts a laser beam must have to destroy a rocket 30 miles away?
          В настоящее время,в мире ,нет более мощного лазера, чем российский наземнь " Пересвет" ,что составляет 3 МВт.


          It’s not necessary to shoot down them for 30 miles for self-defense of an aircraft from missiles or airborne missiles, 5-10 kilometers is enough, and for this you can start with 50 kW, with a phased increase to 150-300 kW (it will depend on how much you can catch the missiles). Separately, one can say about the defeat of missiles and infrared seeker, in this case a power of 5 kW may already be enough for an irreversible defeat of the seeker, after which the missile will be useless.
  9. sergo1914
    sergo1914 21 May 2020 17: 27 New
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    Do not understand. X Wing and Ty Fighter I alone saw in action?
    1. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay 21 May 2020 20: 24 New
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      Quote: sergo1914
      Do not understand. X Wing and Ty Fighter I alone saw in action?

      laughing laughing laughing
  10. Mouse
    Mouse 21 May 2020 17: 30 New
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    not everyone believes in prospects

    Here I believe, here I do not believe ... and here I wrap the fish ..
  11. Vasisualiy Gus-Khrustalny
    Vasisualiy Gus-Khrustalny 23 May 2020 17: 37 New
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    Airborne combat lasers: not only everyone believes in prospects)