Airborne combat lasers: not everyone believes in the prospects

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One of the modern areas in the field of defense research and development is combat lasers. Several countries are involved in this area. Russia is among the foremost. The Russian Armed Forces have been equipped with the Peresvet combat laser system, which can be used as one of the segments of the air defense and missile defense systems.

In turn, the research system for creating combat lasers has a special, so to speak, niche. These are aviation-based combat laser systems. In the future, as expected, the 6th generation fighters (what follows the F-22, F-35, J-20 and Su-57) will be able to use military laser systems as their main armament. However, not everyone is ready to believe in such prospects today.



One of the skeptics in this matter is the head of the US Department of Defense's research department, Mike Griffin. According to him, an experiment with military lasers for military means aviation may take place. But, according to Griffin, it is not necessary to say that with the help of a laser one plane can bring down another with the level of technology that is now and which will be in the medium term.

Griffin expressed his views on this subject during a remote meeting of the Round Table on Security and Space Activities.

Griffin:

I am skeptical that we will be able to put a high-power laser on the plane and use it, for example, to destroy enemy missiles even from a relatively close distance.

It is worth noting that today the Pentagon is trying to deploy work as part of a pilot program for the US Air Force. It aims to create, until 2030, a combat laser system capable of intercepting missiles of at least two classes — air-to-air and ground-to-air — in the air.

There are more than enough problems in implementing such a program. One of them is the need for laser power to create a pulse that could disable a missile in flight. No modern energy storage device can be effectively used on a fighter. The reason is the weight and dimensions.

For those batteries that are used for a ground-based combat laser, a military transporter is suitable. But only a power plant will occupy its main useful internal space, and therefore there is so far no particular sense in using such aircraft as carriers of combat laser weapons. Protect yourself? But what is the meaning of his flight without a payload? Protect other aircraft? But in which case, what? .. Certainly not fighters, given the speed parameters. Consequently, other aircraft of the same class. But as far as appropriate, is also a big question.

In this regard, experts propose to solve the problem of optimizing the power of a combat laser and a power plant that provides pumping. In particular, such an aspect is highlighted as the use of a relatively low-power laser not to destroy enemy missiles, but, for example, to disorient them in space.

One of the suggestions is that the laser does not “burn” a rocket in its flight, but creates a “snag” target, literally tracing in space. A kind of laser show for military purposes. But the task only at first glance may seem relatively easily solved. It’s one thing to do a laser show for the audience, another thing is to expose a laser beam of a certain power in space so that it is “noticed” by a rocket and confused for a real purpose. If such a task in the near future will be solved at least at the level of theoretical research, then aviation combat lasers can indeed have a great future with small dimensions of the power plant.
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  1. +2
    21 May 2020 15: 26
    // One of the suggestions is that the laser does not “burn” a rocket in its flight, but creates a “snag” target, literally tracing in space. A kind of laser show for military purposes. But the task only at first glance may seem relatively easily solved.
    Alexei, do you have an education that digests this set of words? Uh, not to say that I did not understand.
    But this is more like a work by Gogol. Logic (even Lukasevich laughing ) there seems to be no .........
    1. +3
      21 May 2020 15: 46
      Engineer Hyperboloid Garin - the only effective working instance! feel
      1. +4
        21 May 2020 16: 38
        No, not the only one. Lasers, Martians burned London long before the invention of engineer Garin.
        1. 0
          22 May 2020 01: 44
          Quote: Svetlana
          Martians burned out London

          Sergei hi And this is extraterrestrial technology!
      2. -1
        25 May 2020 08: 32
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        Engineer Hyperboloid Garin - the only effective working instance

        we also have our own Putin hyperboloid-Peresvet and Chelubey. Shoot-jump, go crazy.
    2. -1
      21 May 2020 16: 50
      In modern missiles with IR guidance, they use a matrix and guidance on the image, and not on the point.
      An ordinary trap will not fool such a GOS.
      So they try to draw a picture of the target with a laser
      1. 0
        21 May 2020 18: 25
        Those. IR hologram? But will they be able to imitate the signature, especially the intensity? After all, if it works out, then, perhaps, a new class of false goals will appear, and not only in the air.
        1. 0
          21 May 2020 19: 30
          I doubt that it is so difficult
          there are matrices with not very high resolution, not HD
    3. +2
      21 May 2020 19: 38
      The latest combat laser hit the imagination. So far, they have not managed to hit anything.
      In general, it all depends on the availability of a budget for this business. Either the laser is enough or the press service with cartoons.
    4. 0
      21 May 2020 19: 41
      The author meant that such a rocket was flying, and then once an inscription was drawn in the air. "Target! Welcome" The rocket read it, scratched its turnip and flew in the direction indicated by the laser.
  2. -1
    21 May 2020 15: 47
    Combat lasers are a good idea.
    Pentagon is trying to deploy work as part of a pilot program for the US Air Force

    Do you have any in Russia?
  3. +5
    21 May 2020 16: 01
    May Gd deal with land and sea based.
    On airplanes today there are neither free volumes for lasers, nor capacities for their pumping. hi
    1. -1
      21 May 2020 16: 11
      If you put a sufficient source of power on the plane, it will in itself be comparable to an A-bomb.
  4. 0
    21 May 2020 16: 02
    It doesn’t matter if such lasers are made or not. The main thing is to get money for research and design. All these modern military projects in the USA do not pursue other goals.
  5. +1
    21 May 2020 17: 19
    Alexei, in theory this has been decided a long time ago, but in practice everything depends on the materials for the laser itself, a focusing system at high speed against the same high-speed target, cooling the laser without power take-off in flight. ..and about three dozen more problems! So, from theory to practice, there is more than one, and even more so, a very gigantic step.
  6. 0
    21 May 2020 17: 23
    However, not everyone is ready to believe in such prospects today.

    So zvizdet that everything is shitty, the first thing! wink
  7. 0
    21 May 2020 17: 25
    The task of an aircraft laser is initially supposed to destroy missiles. Or ballistic, or anti-aircraft. Actually, all experimental aviation systems were created as part of the missile defense system, and the developments on the market are designed to blind heat-guided anti-aircraft and aircraft missiles.
    1. 0
      21 May 2020 18: 49
      By the way, how is it going with your Israeli lasers?
      And then for seven or eight years, "is about to take up combat duty."
      Enlighten me. hi
      1. 0
        21 May 2020 19: 13
        What kind of Israeli laser system are we talking about? "Nautilus", joint with the Americans, was closed 15 years ago. "Keren Barzel", the development of which began in 2014, went for testing in January. Aircraft self-defense systems, blinding heat-seeking missiles, have been in the series for a long time and are actively sold to protect civilian aircraft.
        1. 0
          21 May 2020 19: 26
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          "Keren Barzel"

          He, the devil, forgot the name.
          It was only in the 14th that it was already ready to be shown at Singapore's Airshow-2014, and development began in 2009, sort of ...
          By the 15th year they promised to deploy.
          In 2016, it was finally adopted.
          Now 2020.
          Some Israeli comrades have been convincing me since 16 that "next month the complex will take up combat duty."
          Already, damn it, on the Saar-5 corvettes, they saw something very similar to a laser on the superstructure, but there is still no "iron beam".
          So I'm interested.
          1. 0
            21 May 2020 19: 36
            In 2014, Keren Barzel was presented at an exhibition in Singapore in the form of a video and a model. No one has promised to create it in 2015, let alone deploy it in metal. And even more so they did not take into service.
            1. 0
              21 May 2020 19: 53
              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              presented ... in the form of a video and modelki

              Truth? and here
              Ezra Senderowitz, Rafael's Deputy General Director for Marketing and Business Development, explained what the company presented at the exhibition prototypes of the complex

              He also said that "to date, about 100 firing sessions have already been conducted, and their results can be assessed as" very good. "
              https://army-news.net/2014/02/izrail-predstavil-boevuyu-lazernuyu-sistemu-iron-beam/
              I also read your Wikipedia - so at least you have lasers, and the "iron beam", and Thor, and the Drone Dome, and "Magen Gedeon", and the Blade of Light, and sea-based and 2 unnamed, including for installation on Hercules ...
              True, there is nothing on combat duty so far. It is only written that a land-based fixed installation at the end of 2020 will be installed on the border with the Gaza Strip to test it in combat conditions.
              Well, we'll wait. I've been waiting for 6 years ... hi
              1. -1
                21 May 2020 21: 04
                Quote: psiho117
                I've been waiting for 6 years ...

                You know that there is the best aircraft in the world that has been waiting for 10 years.
                But such aircraft already exist. But no one has such a system, so 6 years for a completely new development, which has not been in the world for such a long time.
                Let's hope that soon we will see her in action.
              2. -1
                21 May 2020 23: 19
                Do not read such information in Russian. Your journalists do not translate correctly.
                1. -1
                  21 May 2020 23: 54
                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  Your journalists do not translate correctly.

                  Well, as if these were the answers to the very same Russian journalists from your deputy director of the company Rafael. And something tells me that they communicated not in Hebrew.
                  Do not read such information in Russian

                  No comments belay
                  1. -1
                    22 May 2020 07: 27
                    Something tells me that your journalists did not communicate with the deputy general director. Neither Hebrew nor English
  8. -1
    21 May 2020 17: 26
    This is currently a meaningless article for those who are versed in physics.
    1. 0
      21 May 2020 18: 13
      Quote: G. Georgiev
      This is currently a meaningless article for those who are versed in physics.
      Reply

      For many years, Israel has been using civilian airplanes to protect against MANPADS - Magen Rakiya. The system also uses a laser beam and has been operational for several years.
      As part of the development of a combat aviation system for UAVs (called the Hermes-900), the prototype will be placed on a transport aircraft; Hercules at the first stage. After its tests, the UAV system will be finalized, it is estimated that it will be operational after 18 months and is designed to destroy missiles up to 30 miles away, as well as short-range mortars, anti-tank missiles and small aircraft.
      There is a video, I did not insert it so as not to write about the cartoon.
      1. 0
        21 May 2020 22: 35
        Do you know how many kilowatts a laser beam must have to destroy a rocket 30 miles away?
        Currently, in the world, there is no more powerful laser than the Russian ground "Peresvet", which is 3 MW.
        1. 0
          28 May 2020 12: 30
          Quote: G. Georgiev
          Do you know how many kilowatts a laser beam must have to destroy a rocket 30 miles away?
          Currently, in the world, there is no more powerful laser than the Russian ground "Peresvet", which is 3 MW.


          It’s not necessary to shoot down them for 30 miles for self-defense of an aircraft from missiles or airborne missiles, 5-10 kilometers is enough, and for this you can start with 50 kW, with a phased increase to 150-300 kW (it will depend on how much you can catch the missiles). Separately, one can say about the defeat of missiles and infrared seeker, in this case a power of 5 kW may already be enough for an irreversible defeat of the seeker, after which the missile will be useless.
  9. 0
    21 May 2020 17: 27
    Do not understand. X Wing and Ty Fighter I alone saw in action?
    1. +1
      21 May 2020 20: 24
      Quote: sergo1914
      Do not understand. X Wing and Ty Fighter I alone saw in action?

      laughing laughing laughing
  10. 0
    21 May 2020 17: 30
    not everyone believes in prospects

    Here I believe, here I do not believe ... and here I wrap the fish ..
  11. 0
    23 May 2020 17: 37
    Airborne combat lasers: not only everyone believes in prospects)

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