Franco-German project to create a promising tank launched

German-French project to create a core tank, designed to arm the armies of both countries, started. According to the German company Rheinmetall, a consortium of French and German defense companies began work on the project.

According to the report, Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (Germany), Nexter systems (France) and Rheinmetall (Germany) began work on the creation of a joint main battle tank (MBT) MGCS (Main Ground Combat System). They formed a working group, within the framework of which they signed the first contract to "determine the system architecture of a new model."

At the first stage, research will be carried out to determine the architecture of the MGCS system. According to plans, this stage will take two years. Further, based on the results of research, a technology demonstrator will be developed, on the basis of which the parties will finally determine their requirements for the tank.

As previously reported, on April 28, 2020, Paris and Berlin signed two agreements under this program. The parties agreed to share the costs of creating a new tank in half, it was also agreed that both countries would receive "sufficient" intellectual property rights to the results of R&D under the program.

The Main Ground Combat System (MGCS) program is designed to create a new main tank to replace the German Leopard 2 and the French Leclerc. The arrival of new tanks in the army of both states is expected around 2035.

Comments

[rocket757]

Will do ... land "battleship" !!!
Here's how I again recall the allegations of some that everything is already with tanks !!!

[tanki tanks]

Will do ... land "battleship" !!!

So what. Yes, let them do it. But this is unlikely to be a battleship.

[Pereira]

I would look at the result. But I'm afraid I will die of old age.

[Shurik70]

It looks, at least in the picture, impressive.
Only for such a colossus do you need an appropriate motor. If there is a motor, they will create the rest. Is there such a motor? The current maximum is MT-883-2250, giving 2250 hp. with a weight of 1800 kg. For a heavier tank, you need a more powerful one with the same mass dimensions.
Does this exist?

[V.I.P.]

They wanted Leo's chassis and a turret with an automatic loader from Leclerc. Caliber 130-140mm. Rheinmetall has a 130 mm gun. They already tested it. But there is a long projectile ... ... .. impressive. .... When hit by a tower like from the T-72, its shell will simply tear it off))

[zwlad]

Quote: V.I.P.

.... When hit by a tower like from the T-72, its shell will simply tear it off))

I doubt it very much. The crowbar will break through. And BB in general will go into a rebound.

[rocket757]

Quote: tanki-tanki

But this is unlikely to be a battleship.

The Fritzes have already done the "Mouse" ... so no one can overtake them by weight, let it be a "land cruiser". the name will come up by joint efforts.
wait and see.

[sabakina]

Victor I'm not a visionary, but I think the output will be something like "Mouse".

The company bought a Mercedes plant AvtoVAZ. Reconfigured production, start the conveyor. . . Bam! at the exit of the Lada!
Dismantle the equipment, drove the new one from Germany, installed, adjusted, launched. ! ! ! Lada again!
All plant personnel are dismissed, workers from Germany are brought in, they are established, inspected, and launched. ! At the exit again - Lada!
There is a hill near the plant; ch. engineer and director of the plant (both with the prefix Ex .. Look at all this. Engineer to the director:
- And I told you - the place is damned! ! ! And then all "hands from the priests, hands from the priests"

[novel66]

Glory! and always with rivets. without them, the tank does not look brutal

[prior]

Particularly spectacular, with the modern development of video technology, rear-view mirrors look.
Not otherwise, as with a lorry "licked".

[novel66]

this, damn it, radars, damn it, with phased, edrit. bars! all to you to mock!

[prior]

Thanks for the hint, just why are they looking backwards? Cover up from the rear?

[novel66]

cover from the rear - the most important task in the tank troops!
as smart people used to say

When landing in Sicily, American tankers enriched themselves with new combat experience, which stated that anyone could hit anyone in the ass

[rocket757]

Hi Vyacheslav

Quote: sabakina

the output will be something like "Mouse".

The idea is that they will create something fundamental, more of the Leclerc tank! But to the "dark geniuses of the Fuhrer", they are still far away.

[orionvitt]

Quote: rocket757

"the dark geniuses of the Fuhrer"

If only it didn't turn out "iron kaput". But seriously, what are they missing? According to all "international ratings", "Leopard-2" is considered the best tank in the world. Or is it still not the best?

[rocket757]

Quote: orionvitt

According to all "international ratings", "Leopard-2" is considered the best tank in the world. Or is it still not the best?

So he was burned in Yemen ... or not?
And so if you look, a very heavy tank full of junk ... BUT, what did he prove that he was the best ???
And the ratings rule .... the one who pays!

[V.I.P.]

Where did Leopard 2A6 / A7 come from in Yemen? The Saudis Abrams. Emirates were there at Leclerc. But the Emirates have already left .... 2A6 only among the Qatari in the Middle East. But they were not there on Leo ....

[rocket757]

Cant! I wrote about Leclerc.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: orionvitt

"Leopard-2" is considered the best tank in the world. Or is it still not the best?

Well, how is it better in comparison with the closest brother of the Merkava? Their weight is similar. Their guns are the same. The motor, the Merkava is American, the Leopard is German. Moreover, the Leopard is almost a meter longer than the Merkava. This means that the Leopard's armor is "smeared" by this meter and therefore it is thinner compared to the Merkava. At the same time, the Merkava has both an engine and a transmission in front, unlike the Leopard, which has an engine and a transmission in the back, i.e. in the event of a frontal penetration in the Merkava, the projectile will need to overcome another power unit, which disproportionately increases the chances of survival for the crew. For evacuation, the Israelis use a wide rear ramp, while German tankers will have to jump through hatches under bullets. Well, and like a cherry, the Merkava already has a KAZ, tested in combat conditions. The Leopards don't have it yet.

[orionvitt]

Quote: andreykolesov123

Well, why is it better than the closest brother Merkava?

And this is what you ask the scholars who make up Western ratings. Besides, it is incorrect to compare the "Merkava" with the "Leopard". "Merkava", was developed by the Israelis specifically for the Middle East war zone, specifically for desert conditions. In short, for yourself and for your tasks. In other theaters of war, it is ineffective.

[zwlad]

And how fundamental this will move around Europe. Will the bridges survive? And how to throw a brigade on rails? And if they bring them to us? On the road? The hezh are sick.

[BREAKTHROUGH READY]

The arrival of new tanks in the army of both states is expected around 2035 ...

... and there either the shah will die, or the donkey will die.
They’re ready to cut money on anything, so long as they don’t produce real products, this is the norm in Europe.

[Doccor18]

It is hard to imagine how much this tank will cost the end user in the person of the armed forces. Given that the Leopards and Leclerc in the armies of the two countries, 3-4 hundred each, how much will they buy new? 50 pieces each? This tank, if it ever appears, will be the most expensive in the history of tank building.

[Blackmokona]

Well, so they do together to reduce costs. Plus, most likely it will be an EU tank, for all EU armies.

[Doctor]

Plus, most likely it will be an EU tank, for all EU armies.

That is the whole point. We are present at the creation of a single European army.

[Liam]

Quote: Arzt

Plus, most likely it will be an EU tank, for all EU armies.

That is the whole point. We are present at the creation of a single European army.

No one will ever create a single European army. Europeans do not build a single state or a new empire. This is the key to their success.

[Doctor]

Europeans do not build a single state or a new empire. This is the key to their success.

In words, yes. And this is correct, while it is not necessary.
But in fact - the lack of internal borders, a single currency, common spiritual values, almost uniform legislation, is this your opinion?

[Liam]

Quote: Arzt

Europeans do not build a single state or a new empire. This is the key to their success.

In words, yes. And this is correct, while it is not necessary.
But in fact - the lack of internal borders, a single currency, common spiritual values, almost uniform legislation, is this your opinion?

This is the behavior of smart people who have learned from their mistakes. Only structures are built that bring pluses to everyone — the absence of borders, customs, a common currency. And negative aspects are avoided — a united state of dozens of different nations with inevitable nationalisms, oppression, divisions into elder and younger brothers, etc. In short, a quarter of separate villas with shared roads and infrastructure, rather than a common hut with bunk beds)

[Doctor]

This is the behavior of smart people who have learned from their mistakes. Only structures are built that bring pluses to everyone — the absence of borders, customs, a common currency. And negative aspects are avoided — a united state of dozens of different nations with inevitable nationalisms, oppression, divisions into elder and younger brothers, etc. In short, a quarter of separate villas with shared roads and infrastructure, rather than a common hut with bunk beds)

Not only on their own. They learned the lessons of the USSR. They do not force events, with the introduction of a common language, for example, do not rush.
Although wangyu, over the next 10 years will begin the announcement of a common European language.
I think it will be artificial, like Esperanto, because neither Germany nor France, and even Greece will never agree to the introduction of the language of some other EU country, and English is not at all involved.

[zwlad]

Third (or whatever) Reich

[Albert1988]

Quote: Arzt

That is the whole point. We are present at the creation of a single European army.

Only here the American "Baba Yaga" is against ...

[Doctor]

Only here the American "Baba Yaga" is against ...

Baba Yaga has not decided. On the one hand, a strong rival is not needed, on the other - it’s time to stir up a big war, most remaining behind the ocean and welded on everyone.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Arzt

Baba Yaga has not decided.

How to say - against the creation of a united Euroarmony - definitely against - then NATO doesn’t need to ... But shifting military expenditures to Europeans within the framework of NATO itself, including its own, is always for

[5-9]

Leklerkov - 216 (of which 56 in the linear parts, or 86), Leopards - 225 ... but the Germans have an ambitious plan to increase their number to 336 !!! (revanchists want to decommission Dutch tanks), at an accelerated pace, their tank armada is being upgraded to option 2A7 (according to the budget option of all possible), it has been ordered to upgrade 20, twenty !!! tanks from the available ones. They threaten in a couple of years, or even a year, another 20 to order!
And we slurp soup with bast shoes - an analogue of what may be (or rather + n years) Gallo-Teutons will receive already in 2035, we have only 120 pieces ordered for "pozyrit cho it happened" and not even everyone will have time to deliver this year ...
T-72B3M is upgraded in a year crumbs - a total of 100 tanks, and all of their modernized and a half thousand not typed .....
Fatherland is in danger, I shield!

[bk0010]

In vain mock: Russia is not going to attack them. But NATO against Russia is not a fact. And a small amount of heavy equipment is some guarantee that the states will not drive Europeans to Russia at the forefront. Plus budget savings.

[zwlad]

One and a half thousand 72 against five hundred leoclerks? Think in danger?
But for good, it’s not necessary to consider nada, but how many anti-tank weapons do they and we have for one tank.

[5-9]

In our ranks approx. 2400 tanks. Leclkrkov 216, not pizziot. The United States has less than 1500 tanks in service. This is for reference.
Well, tanks are needed not to fight with tanks, but to crush everything in the rear, after they passed through anti-tank defense suppressed by TNW.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Design - damn handsome. Undoubtedly. Well, what comes out, when and most importantly for what price - we'll see.

[novel66]

too broken, not enough smooth lines .. and tolerance not disclosed

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: novel xnumx

too broken

Surely - stealth. Following the Zwolt. Probably every shot from the gun will cost the same.

Quote: novel xnumx

and tolerance is not disclosed

Just from the rear projection did not show. Who knows - how is it there?

[novel66]

but there’s nothing to bullet from a gun wherever it hits .. there is a machine gun

[Grits]

Quote: novel xnumx

too broken, not enough smooth lines .. and tolerance not disclosed

Smooth lines for the tank - the most necessary trick. Let the bourgeoisie learn to bend a thick strong iron to give these very lines.

[novel66]

why bend? pour .. and polish

[V.I.P.]

Look at the tower of Almaty . What is the angle of inclination of the armor and the designers did not hear)))

[fider]

novel66
"too broken"
But armata - some smooth lines An unknown author stuck a photo of unknown what, and you pounced. There is no project yet.

[novel66]

and here and fuck!

[tarabar]

The design is certainly strong, but rearview mirrors are touching, probably in the GSVG warehouses they rummaged around and found deposits of mirrors from shishigi. That's right, but what good is to disappear!

[malyvalv]

Saved on rear view cameras.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Design - damn handsome.

The Italians will be connected, it will be even more beautiful.

[Karaul73]

The "Iron Kaput" project has started! Soon to cut the ribbon.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Sentry73

Soon to cut the ribbon.

Not. Not soon yet.

[Ded_Mazay]

Germany and the Americans already had a KPz 70 project. As a result, everyone went their own way. I think it will work out as well. And if Germany and the fifth republic now begin to decide who is the first in the European Union, who is the second, then the project does run the risk of covering itself with a copper basin.

[Grits]

Quote: Ded_Mazay

And if Germany and the fifth republic now begin to decide who is the first in the European Union, who is the second, then the project does run the risk of covering itself with a copper basin.

All these international joint projects for the creation of military equipment do not always end well. More often they simply stall.

[svp67]

The German-French project to create the main tank, designed to arm the armies of both countries, was launched. According to the German company Rheinmetall, a consortium of French and German defense companies began work on the project.

So far, all such joint attempts of theirs have ended with the fact that all the parties that took part in them thanked each other for their cooperation and made each of their tanks ... let's see what comes of this attempt

[Zeev Zeev]

They did their tank. But the development used joint. To each in his tank.

[Pvi1206]

The arrival of new tanks in the army of both states is expected around 2035.

then there will be no war between Russia and Europe until 2035 ... and this is already good ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

it means there will be no war between Russia and Europe until 2035 ....... yes, it won’t be there at least with a new tank, even without ... that's all. financial fuss, maybe a war only with the hostages, well, in this scenario, the tanks absolutely will not be needed

[Vasyan1971]

It will be interesting to see the result of the fragrant and gloomy geniuses.

both countries will receive “sufficient” intellectual property rights to the R&D outputs of the program.

Vague wording. Nifiga is not for such cases. Someone is "enough", but someone is not quite ...

[Knell wardenheart]

Who would have thought 80 years ago what the Germans would do with the French a common tank project ...

[Grits]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Who would have thought 80 years ago what the Germans would do with the French a common tank project ...

Who would have thought that they were creating it in order to sell to the Arabs later

[ROSS_51]

I think by the 35th year prototype tanks will already fly low above the ground.

[Felix Chuykov]

The system architecture of a new model

When we look back
We forget a lot ...
Partners need a tank -
We don’t yawn either.

What do ministries call -
We know: defense!
It’s time to vote -
Again: slaves, crowns ...

How to protect yourself? Attack!
Columns, clones, drones ...
Who would give the system trunk? ..
Coffins, palaces, corrals ...

Felix Chuykov

21 May 2020 years

[Lord of the Sith]

Oh, wangyu, heavy will be like a bastard, the size of a barn, and gold in value.
But hung with whistles and fakes))

[Pavel57]

Quote: Pereira

I would look at the result. But I'm afraid I will die of old age.

I would rather die laughing.

[bk316]

Turn signals, mirrors, LED fog lights.
It’s like they are selling Arabs, only they need to paint red. Suggest something ....