The network discusses the words of Igor Strelkov in the case of MH17

The network is discussing the comment that Igor Strelkov (Girkin) gave to the British Times. British journalists asked the ex-commander of the Donbass militia to comment on the accusations brought forward by the Netherlands prosecutor’s office against him.

Recall that Igor Strelkov passes in the "Dutch" case as an accused along with three others. One of the accused is a citizen of Ukraine, three are citizens of the Russian Federation.

In a commentary to a British newspaper, Strelkov noted that the Donbass militia did not bring down the Malaysian Boeing. In addition, he denies the accusations that are streaming from the West against the Russian military. According to Igor Girkin, the Russian military was not involved in the attack on the Boeing either.

Speaking about the fault of himself, Strelkov noted that he feels "moral guilt, because at that time he was directly involved in the conflict along with the militia soldiers he commanded."

After such words, Girkin was asked whether his statements would be taken “as a confession,” to which the ex-militia commander replied that “people can interpret this as they please,” but that does not cancel the truth.

In the West, discussing Strelkov’s commentary, they said that "the court will establish what he invested in his statement."

On June 8, a court hearing is scheduled in The Hague, which is engaged in the consideration of the MH17 case. It is noteworthy that the case does not even consider the possibility of fault of the Ukrainian side. This suggests that the investigation, which has been conducted for more than 5 years, did not engage in its direct business, but tried to adjust the materials to the result required by certain forces.

And this is an interview by Igor Strelkov to Ukrainian journalist Dmitry Gordon, which lasted more than 3,5 hours:

Comments

[Thrifty]

He could have said nothing at all, because according to this farce Russia was appointed "guilty"! And uk-roin in vain did not allow the Kremlin to collapse! We will still regret bitterly that the Kremlin did not help Donbass to return to our country for a start.

[Shurik70]

The word "moral" will be forgotten at once. They will only leave that "Strelkov admitted his guilt"

[seregatara1969]

Another terrible provocation against Russia

[Tatyana]

I do not understand. Why did Strelkov contact the Ukrainian provocateur Gordon, who cooperates with the Armed Forces and, in fact, does not intervene, but mediates the interrogation of the Armed Forces by the SBU and in favor of the Armed Forces ?!
What else could Strelkov have expected from Gordon, except for yet another sophisticated AFU’s provocation against DLNR, Russia and Strelkov himself?

[Mikhail3]

Quote: Tatiana

I do not understand. Why did Strelkov contact the Ukrainian provocateur Gordon,

He failed to monetize his participation in the war, which is not there. And he, apparently, counted heavily on it. Well, he tries to cut down where possible, without disdaining anything. That's all ...

[New Year day]

Quote: Mikhail3

Mu failed to monetize his participation in a war that does not exist. And he, apparently, counted heavily on it.

Have you watched the interview? there is an answer to your speculation

[Mikhail3]

Quote: Silvestr

Have you watched the interview? there is an answer to your speculation

The answer to my "speculation" is the very fact of the interview. With a statement that Strelkov is "ashamed of his participation." A man has seen enough American films, where in the finale they go into the sunset with a money bag. And he's like that without a bag. Like a goof. So I was ashamed ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: Mikhail3

Shooters "ashamed of their participation"

Where, in what part of the interview did you see / hear / do this?

[Mikhail3]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: Mikhail3

Shooters "ashamed of their participation"

Where, in what part of the interview did you see / hear / do this?

he feels "moral guilt, because at that time he was directly involved in the conflict along with the militia soldiers whom he commanded."

Either you are fighting a just war, or you feel "moral guilt." You can't be a little pregnant.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Mikhail3

Either you are fighting a just war, or you feel "moral guilt." You can't be a little pregnant.

By analogy, it turns out that if a person (any) for some reason begins to feel guilty, moral responsibility for something (not always justified), then you can put an end to life, brand yourself and be strangled?

Strelkov announced individual episodesand you interpolate his statement throughout the war ...

[Mikhail3]

What is the matter with you? Dramatizing ideas down to strangle? I look, the hysterics rose just the same ... I do not interpolate anything anywhere. I just read what he said. And he said a simple thing - he is ashamed of the fact that he participated in this war. I am ashamed both for my participation and for my command. Plus, he, very meanly, said that at the same time he did not participate in the episode with a downed plane, and at the same time he was ashamed. That is, he intentionally gave food for all sorts of slippery generalizations and those very interpolations.
It seems that he was paid to pass along the edge. Naturally, he cannot admit his guilt in this matter, but he can declare such things here, giving rise to speculation. All this looks vilely.

[Overlock]

Quote: Mikhail3

he is ashamed that he participated in this war.

he did not say these words

[Mikhail3]

Over there, I quoted from an article. You can read it, just read the article lazy. Apparently, the British came up with these words for him - great specialists in ambiguous chatter.

[New Year day]

Quote: Mikhail3

Over there, I quoted from an article. You can read it, just read the article lazy.

you must listen to the source, and not read someone else's

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Mikhail3

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: Mikhail3

Shooters "ashamed of their participation"

Where, in what part of the interview did you see / hear / do this?

he feels "moral guilt, because at that time he was directly involved in the conflict along with the militia soldiers whom he commanded."

Either you are fighting a just war, or you feel "moral guilt." You can't be a little pregnant.

Moral blame refers to the downing of an aircraft, and not to participation in the conflict. The conflict led to the downing

[skobars]

You probably think that if you think so. At the forefront, if you can monetize, then just a bullet or a splinter into your carcass.

[mmaxx]

Apparently you yourself are only thinking about monetization. Man fought, and in such conditions that there is no hope. What kind of monetization? What did he get to himself in that war, except for a bunch of slop on his head from sofa warriors? He may or may not like his opinion on various issues, but he is a warrior.

[anjey]

People of the Bubble monetized this war from all sides, I think Strelkov did not participate in this, sitting on the front line and thinking about the Bubble is nothing more stupid when at any moment you can say goodbye to your life these thoughts are inappropriate.

[svp67]

Quote: Tatiana

What else could Strelkov have expected from Gordon, except for yet another sophisticated AFU’s provocation against DLNR, Russia and Strelkov himself?

Do you know how you already dubbed this interview? "Answers of the FSB, to the questions of the SBU" ... Ukraine has shaken up strongly now. And there is not so much for the death of MH17, as for the fact that the Kremlin did not help, about the connection between Korchinsky (a very ardent Ukrainian nationalist) with Surkov, etc., etc.

[Insurgent]

Quote: svp67

Do you know how you already dubbed this interview? "Answers of the FSB, to the questions of the SBU" ...
Shocked Ukraine now strongly.

And who dubbed the interview so?

Gardon himself , after he was run over by the Natsiks, who were just "stirred up" not childishly.

Speech about the whole outskirts, no ...

[svp67]

Quote: Insurgent

speech about the whole outskirts, no

Yes, it is being discussed by so many. Two such interviews ... at Poklonskaya and Strelkova ... Especially at the second, there are too many inconvenient facts for Ukraine about which they openly tried not to talk about

[Insurgent]

Quote: svp67

Yes, it is being discussed by so many. Two such interviews ... at Poklonskaya and Strelkova ...

There,much is being discussed, even more discussed, and even more will to discuss, do not attach any special importance to the ANNUAL EVENT ...

[svp67]

Quote: Insurgent

Do not attach any special importance to the ANNUAL EVENT ...

This is not an ordinary event at the moment ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: svp67

This is not an ordinary event at the moment ...

Not ordinary eventcapable of sweeping the outskirts from the map is the reduction of the DPR and LPR to full combat, and in fact the ultimatum of dill.

Everything else is husk ... Or do you think that the interview in ex-Ukraine caused more resonance there than the statements of Pasechnik and Pushilin?

[Tatyana]

Quote: svp67

Do you know how you already dubbed this interview? "Answers of the FSB, to the questions of the SBU" ...

Not surprised at all! This "winged" wording was probably invented by Gordon himself. For such things, he is an inveterate provocateur-master! Knows what he is doing.
Babchenko with his provocateurs-VSUshniki is not suitable for Gordon, even to the point.

[svp67]

Quote: Tatiana

Babchenko with his provocateurs-VSUshniki is not suitable for him.

Actually, he worked with the SBU ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: svp67

Actually, he worked with the SBU ...

Tell me, WHERE did you "pick up" this? From Gardon's own address?

And you faithlessly believed him ? On what basis ?

Here, about his nonsense about "working with the SBU" (gain strength and watch both videos):

[svp67]

Quote: Insurgent

Tell me, WHERE did you "pick up" this? From Gardon's own address?

And with whom do you think Babchenko "did" his provocation?

[Insurgent]

Quote: svp67

And with whom do you think Babchenko "did" his provocation?

Babchenko, with SBU , and this one, darned, when they pinned him down, began to bleat about ... "ex-secret service officers" .

You video, without looking, without understanding, continue to bend your line, not at all true ...

[svp67]

Quote: Insurgent

You video, without looking, without understanding, continue to bend your line, not at all true ...

I also watched these videos and looked at Ukrainian sites, and communicated with people, so I "drew my line" as I consider necessary ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: svp67

I watched these videos and looked through Ukrainian sites

It’s sad that you couldn’t get the main idea out of the video regarding our argument, namely, that D Gordon actually recognizedthat the SBU has a very indirect relation to the interview (most likely it’s just bought SBUshnikov permission to interview).

And his entire op about "cooperation with the SBU" was caused by fear of the Natsik who had run over.
In such an uncomplicated way, he tried to "hide behind" the SBU ...

[svp67]

Quote: Insurgent

In such an uncomplicated way, he tried to "hide behind" the SBU ...

Sorry, but you didn’t understand something correctly. I gave a humorous definition of this interview, and you already draw some conclusions from it. Do you think that Girkin faced a screen on which answers from the FSB were printed, or did he learn them beforehand?
I just wrote that the interview itself did not go unnoticed and is discussed more often than a press conference, it seems Zelensky

[Insurgent]

Quote: svp67

And with whom do you think Babchenko "did" his provocation?

Another killer video exposing D. Gordon's lies about the SBU's involvement in the "sensational" interview ...

[New Year day]

Quote: svp67

"Answers of the FSB to the questions of the SBU" ..

and it couldn’t be otherwise, Gordon was preparing with the help of the SBU.
Strelkov did not say anything new, except about Korchinsky's connection with Russia. Gordon's pride "for the investigation" is nonsense, as nothing new is said

[svp67]

Quote: Silvestr

Gordon's pride "for the investigation" is nonsense, as nothing new is said

Well, he was obliged to say something, to somehow "save his face". Actually, I don't like him. Its only merit is that it knows how to work well with the language, but not smart and faithful

[Ironcity]

At the very end of the interview, Gordon asked him the same question, and Girkin answered in a rather detailed manner.

[pytar]

I do not understand. Why did Strelkov contact the Ukrainian provocateur Gordon, who cooperates with the Armed Forces and, in fact, does not intervene, but mediates the interrogation of the Armed Forces by the SBU and in favor of the Armed Forces ?!

Three days ago, Gordon came out with an emergency statement. Kolega forumchanin Insurgent I’ve already put it in, but I will copy the links again, for a better understanding of the logical connections of what happened:

I think that no one doubted what purpose Gordon had, and Strelkov, of course, could not have guessed! With all that, he gave an interview! It is unlikely that this is Strelkov’s personal decision! Most likely, here we are talking about a coordinated public contact between the special services of the Russian Federation, Ukraine and the Netherlands! Everyone set their goals!

Stelkov cannot go to a Dutch court to defend himself, but ... in fact, he gave public testimony, which, as the judge said, is already being studied and will be taken into account! A very interesting, unexpected development on the situation with the Boeing! A Dutch court to judge defendants publicly! And the accused Strelkov publicly testifies! There is no doubt that all the questions of Gordon were carefully coordinated, both from the Ukrainian representatives, and from the Dutch! And the answers Strelkova, with the appropriate structures in the Russian Federation!
Here Strelkov’s behavior is interesting, for some time he sharply and publicly criticized the Russian authorities and Putin personally, entering the role of an oppositionist! And no one touches him, he is in Russia, quite so well, he lives quietly! This suggests that such a line of defense was adopted at the very top in the Kremlin! Stelkov goes into the role "self-promoter, unconnected with the official power in the Russian Federation, and, moreover, a critical one who treats it"! Tipo "The Kremlin has nothing to do with it, I do everything myself, and I am innocent, on the charges of the court, the Russian authorities are even less to blame, after all, I am in conflict with him, I would say if that ..." Thus, Strelkova’s testimony, as though objectiveness is conveyed, is the whole point of the situation!

[svp67]

Quote: pytar

Here Strelkov’s behavior is interesting, for some time he sharply and publicly criticized the Russian authorities and Putin personally, entering the role of an oppositionist! And no one touches him, he is in Russia, quite so well, he lives quietly!

And how should he live? You, what do we think he is the only one who sharply criticizes the government?

[pytar]

And how should he live? You, what do we think he is the only one who sharply criticizes the government?

Some critics had problems, and even died meeting a piece of lead ... Shooters, has a very special situation, for a number of reasons. He is an iconic figure! An ego interview with Gordon, exactly at that moment, in view of the process of shooting down a Boeing, can not be called random! And it will be very naive to think that he himself so spontaneously decided to chat! Neither Gordon nor Strelkov would arbitrarily go to a public meeting, without the preparation and decision of the relevant state structures. The pledge is huge, applies not only to Strelkova and Gordon as an individual, but also to the country! Even the very construction of questions from Gordon was one to one similar to that of the courts when they take evidence! I won’t be surprised if other defendants appear in the same indirect way along the way! Very interesting, extraordinary construction of defense in the case of the Russian Federation!

[svp67]

Quote: pytar

Some critics had problems, and even died meeting a piece of lead.

Sorry, we don’t kill FOR POLICY, all murders have a FINANCIAL background

Quote: pytar

An ego interview with Gordon, exactly at that moment, in view of the process of shooting down a Boeing, can not be called random!

Strelkov’s interview can not be used as evidence, either side. Due to the failure to comply with many rules, how these testimonies should be taken and provided

Quote: pytar

Very interesting, extraordinary construction of defense in the case of the Russian Federation!

The lawyers of one of the accused are working very well there now, they very much destroy the charges and "evidence"

[pytar]

Sorry, we don’t kill FOR POLICY, all murders have a FINANCIAL background

Politics and money go hand in hand. When a politician speaks beautifully, we need to beware of our pockets ...

Strelkov’s interview can not be used as evidence, either side. Due to the failure to comply with many rules, how these testimonies should be taken and provided

This is not a classic case, according to the rule of law. There is clearly a mutual agreement. By the way, you're wrong. Public statements are evidence in court.

The lawyers of one of the accused are working very well there now, they very much destroy the charges and "evidence"

No one has canceled legal practice. In the given case, the process is largely political, so an extraordinary, combined approach is used. I think we'll see a lot more interesting!

[svp67]

Quote: pytar

Politics and money go hand in hand.

It’s clear that without money you are no one in politics

Quote: pytar

When a politician speaks beautifully, we need to beware of our pockets ...

And nevertheless, we had and still have many politicians who are not very loyal to the authorities who are very good at "burning with a verb" and they are alive or if they have gone "to another world", then by their own death. All those you are hinting at were just forgotten politicians and only their death, due to financial squabbles or even worse, due to the fact that their assistants, as in Starovoitova's case, owed a lot of money to someone and so wanted to fix it her business ... she recalled their names again. Our power has many other levers to influence people who are "unpleasant"

Quote: pytar

I think we'll see a lot more interesting!

We will see. I expect the same "show"

[Overlock]

Quote: pytar

Even the very construction of questions from Gordon was one to one similar to that of the courts when they take evidence!

tooting! I also drew attention to this

[pytar]

tooting! I also drew attention to this

I suppose everything was persuaded in advance, even the questions themselves! This cannot be without the participation of special services! And I think this unexpected move to the Russian side was very successful! It doesn’t matter that many do not understand what is really happening and what the ego is! The game is large-scale, here a resourceful intellectual resource is involved! There are a lot of things on the chair! Rosia made a strong move with the horse!

[Terenin]

Quote: seregatara1969

Another terrible provocation against Russia

Already looking, in Russia, for an angle where you can hide from these "terrible" provocations, in the form of a bazaar of two idiots and a pocket court without jurisdiction, legitimacy and power

[Andrey Bragin]

Not tired of positioning Russia as a big dumb bear? Russia is more like an elephant, especially Russia is the birthplace of elephants.

[Non liberoid Russian]

and Girkin Che from the Kremlin forced to climb to Ukraine, give an interview to a bald man? this reconstructor mows, and the whole country is responsible

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

and Girkin Che from the Kremlin forced to climb to Ukraine, give an interview to a bald man? this reconstructor mows, and the whole country is responsible

And you want to say that Girkin at that time was an independent figure?

[New Year day]

Quote: Stroporez

And you want to say that Girkin at that time was an independent figure?

we will not know, we can guess. It could well be that way: realizing Putin's "decisiveness", the Shooter could set as his goal to push him to decisive action with his campaign against Slavyansk.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Silvestr

we will not know, we can guess. It could well be that way: realizing Putin's "decisiveness", the Shooter could set as his goal to push him to decisive action with his campaign against Slavyansk.

The fact that Strelkov’s campaign provoked a war in the Donbass is a fact!
The fact that Girkin was an active employee is also a fact! After all, he left Donbass by order, respectively, by order, he came to Donbass.
Shl. Of course, it could have been used "in the dark", since few could imagine the consequences of those events.
but.....

[Doctor]

And you want to say that Girkin at that time was an independent figure?

Maybe. The main argument for this is the lack of coordination of Girkin’s actions with our Armed Forces and special services.
There is no semblance of a well-thought-out operation, even with deliveries from Russia of arms, money, and personnel.
It started later, and then in the form of unorganized volunteers.
Compare with Afghanistan or the same Crimea.

[Overlock]

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

this reconstructor mows

explain your opus

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

the whole country is in charge

for WHAT interesting?

[Retvizan 8]

If even after the journalist's question Girkin farted, these boobies would be "pulled" by the ears and this is like an obvious fact, they say he was scared, which means he is guilty.)))

[iouris]

Quote: Shurik70

The word "moral" will be forgotten at once.

It seemed to me that Strelkov said something else: 1) only one side will be blamed for the death of passengers (there are no options here), 2) if "some political changes" take place in Moscow (that is, the "orange revolution" and the collapse of the state), then Strelkov himself will be extradited Dutch.
I believe that the decision to "give an interview" to this "journalist" is a political mistake, i.e. this is pi times worse than a crime.

[Ascetic]

Quote: Shurik70

"Strelkov admitted his guilt

And Malofeev? He lives and lives ... Malofeev had a "mandate for Novorossia" But then Malofeev had his "mandate for Novorossia" withdrawn and his people flew from their posts. Including Strelkov ... Neochazaria is still winning the Russian world ... then we'll see ...

[krops777]

He could have said nothing at all, because according to this farce Russia was appointed "guilty"!

Although de facto Russia was appointed guilty, we will continue to fight with this for a long time proving our innocence, but we won’t get away with a crested forelock, for it is a concrete fact against them, namely, not the closure of airspace over the combat zone.

[Olgovich]

Quote: krops777

for there is a reinforced concrete fact against them, namely, not the closure of airspace over the combat zone.

I agree, a fact undeniable by anyone!

But WHO is looking at him except us?

[iouris]

Quote: krops777

with this we will fight for a long time proving our innocence

To prove innocence to whom? These "specialists" in coup d'etat, the colonialists, must be fought with arms in hand. For this, an independent state is needed.

[military_cat]

According to Igor Girkin, the Russian military was not involved in the attack on the Boeing either.

He said this:

At the same time, he stated that the separatist forces under his command did not bring down the plane. When he was asked whether his words could be interpreted as an admission that the Russian military was to blame, Girkin said: “People can interpret it as they want.” He declined to comment further.

This is a big difference.

[Krasnoyarsk]

[quote = military_cat]. [/ quote] When he was asked if his words could be interpreted as an admission that the Russian military was to blame, Girkin said: “People can interpret it as they want.” He declined to comment further. [/ I]

This is a big difference. [/ Quote]
With this answer, Girkin wanted to show how smart he was and that he did not care who and what he thought.
But in fact, he planted a pig for us, - he gave an extra reason for the enemies to talk about Russia's fault in this matter.
He is muddy, this Girkin. S. Kurginyan was right.

[New Year day]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

S. Kurginyan was right.

Kurginyan is still that fruit! By the way, he himself then confirmed the presence of "Buk" in the arsenal of the LPNR

[Civil]

The rest of his words did not notice? About the generals about the leadership? About goals and objectives, the result in the end?

[demo]

You are right.
But there is a small "but".
The Kremlin did not need either the Donbass or anything else.
It so happened that a sharp change in the situation connected with Maidan and everything else that followed was perceived by the Kremlin as a very poor development of the situation.
If extraordinary steps had not been taken, as a result of which Yanukovych had been evacuated and a referendum organized in the Crimea, then in a year our fleet would have huddled in Novorossiysk (that is, it would have completely become unfit for combat).
And a couple of years and talk about the independence of the Russian Federation was no longer worth it.
And if the Donbass would be completely cleared of disloyal persons and annexed to the Russian Federation, then along the entire length of the border of Ukraine with the Russian Federation there would have been hotbeds of tension.
Donbass is a distraction, a dispersal of forces, and a bone in the throat, and much more.
As much as I was mortally offended that the state’s policy and strategy are in conflict with the conscience and interests of the people.
Of my people.

[New Year day]

Quote: demo

Donbass is a distraction ...

Sorry, you're right. Donbass voluntarily or involuntarily became a distraction in the battle for the Crimea. If you believe Strelkov, then involuntarily, if you do not believe and suspect him as a cog in the state mechanism, it is voluntary. But anyway

Quote: demo

State policy and strategy contradicts the conscience and interests of the people.

[Non liberoid Russian]

we ? I love local screamers screaming for EVERYONE ... who gave you the right to speak for everyone?

[Andrey Bragin]

Crimea was enough for Putin. He did not accept South Ossetia and Abkhazia, despite their requests. He no longer wants to quarrel with the Europeans. He did not expect such a reaction with the Crimea, if he knew, then maybe he would not have gone for the return of the Crimea.

[Hto tama]

It’s not very smart on his part, the admission of guilt, albeit moral, with an absolute guarantee of his words, will be turned upside down, as a confession

[rocket757]

In the West, discussing Strelkov’s commentary, they said that "the court will establish what he invested in his statement."

The word is not a sparrow! Will fly out "winged", will return a criminal case, sometimes!

[Catfish]

Something I did not understand the author of this article: then he has Strelkov (Girkin), then just Strelkov, and then just Girkin appears. Dear, you would decide for yourself under what surname you will represent the person. Or is it just such humor?

[Fedorov]

And Maxim Gorky-Peshkov, Ulyanov-Lenin, Stalin-Dzhugashvili ... Moreover, humor, judged by human affairs.
Yes, and Hitler reptile Schickelgruber. And Leon Trotsky is Leyba Davidovmch Bronstein.

[Catfish]

What does humor have to do with it? Well, here's a small example: There is, say, an article called "Saltykov-Shchedrin about the problems of the city of Foolov", and then Saltykov, then Shchedrin is mentioned in the text, then they are both hyphenated together, and the question arises, not about three different people are talking. That's all, just about the inattention of the author of the note, and not a word about the cases by which a person is judged.

[Fedorov]

If a person is educated at the level of the 10th grade of the Soviet school, then questions and confusion will not be by definition.

[Catfish]

So about that and speech.

[Free wind]

So he calls himself that, and few people know who he will call himself next time. According to the port, he is Girkin.

[knn54]

-According to Igor VSEVOLODOVICH Girkin, the Russian military was not involved in the attack on the Boeing either.
-How does Igor IVANOVICH Strelkov feel "moral guilt."

[saigon]

It’s just interesting, but are there any military in the Netherlands?
The judges could call any horseradish from their warriors and ask a simple question - how many pieces of equipment need to be driven from Russia in order to shoot a gift for an unnecessary aircraft?
Drive to the area where they roam do not understand which groups with weapons, equipment and shoot down an unnecessary plane.

[KCA]

For the Armed Forces, it is enough to fit one Buk launcher, which, although limited, but can itself aim at the target, without an external radar, the dispatcher drives the Boeing into the required corridor and echelon, leads it and transmits the exact coordinates to the launcher, knowing the time of flight up to a second , the distance to the target and the height, the calculation of one launcher was quite able to hit such a target as a Boeing

[Fedorov]

I'm like an air defense shnik. Truth on "Wasp and" Torah. “A beech without any target designation can overwhelm anyone. The main thing is to know the approximate time of flight, then its own radar works. A bold mark is visible on the IKO, clearly not AN-2. Confusing such a monster is unrealistic.

[reservist]

Quote: Fedorov

IKO shows a bold mark, obviously not AN-2. Confusing such a monster is unrealistic.

I also cannot understand how, in the version of the shooting down of the Boeing, the personnel Russian air defense personnel explain this moment ...
probably according to the Dutch version, a calculation of exclusively blind specialists worked on the BUK ...

[Alexey Z]

And they hunted for the AN-2? Or maybe for a transporter with l / s and weapons for the enemy

[reservist]

and where could the Ukrainian transporter come from?
after IL-76 was shot down near Lugansk in June of that year, they stopped flying over Donbass ...

[Mavrikiy]

And this is an interview by Igor Strelkov to Ukrainian journalist Dmitry Gordon,

Interview dolls, Russophobian talking head. There are questions for the doll.

Strelkov noted that he feels "moral guilt,

"Morally" wrong? Would like to fix everything, how the culprit?

[Avior]

He used to say that the militia did not hit the plane.
In this interview, he said that the Russian military did not do this either.
But at the same time, as far as I understand, he does not blame the APU for this, in any case, such statements of his did not come to his eyes.
It is not clear what he is leading to.
What kind of game is he having?

[K-612-O]

This is not a game, but the result of strong friendship with the drunk Russophobe M. Kalashnikov

[mikh-korsakov]

Andrew! Are you talking about the inventor of the assault rifle Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov? You shouldn’t be so.

[K-612-O]

There is Maxim Kalashnikov, a wino-grief writer. After his demarches and illuminations with the opposition and unification with this degenerate, comrade Girkin is of no interest. His Excellency Damn.

[mikh-korsakov]

Sergei! I put you a plus. It is not clear to me why they are minus. Indeed, a friend clearly carried a blizzard. Indeed, if, in his opinion, none of the Russians shot down the plane, but in Ukraine - he doubts, then what was it? But it looks like this. that a friend lays straws for himself, and if that, what if? Even if not, I found someone to contact.

[Roman123567]

if in his opinion none of the Russians shot down the plane

He did not say that ..

[voyaka uh]

"What kind of game is this?" ///
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What is incomprehensible here? He does not want to go to jail.
He commanded the militias.
And he said: "my subordinates, the militia did not shoot down the plane."

[askort154]

Speaking about the fault of himself, Strelkov noted that he feels "moral guilt, because at that time he was directly involved in the conflict along with the militia soldiers he commanded."

For modern Western media and jurisprudence, the concept of "morality" is nonsense.
They are now in vogue "highley like" (very likely). Therefore, from all his super-long interviews, this phrase will become a boomerang for his accusation, and a "foundation" for the MH-17 trial. Got it!

[Roman123567]

this phrase will become a boomerang for his accusation, and a "foundation" for the MH-17 trial. Got it!

What nonsense ..
Like, if he had not said this phrase, then something would have changed dramatically ..))

[codetalker]

Strange statement, of course. What is his moral guilt, for the fact that people under his command fought for their home?

[Roman123567]

Strange questions..
Because a plane was shot down in which people who never fought were killed ..
Despite the fact that Girkin himself with his people did not have any of his home there ..

[New Year day]

Quote: codetalker

What is his moral guilt, for the fact that people under his command fought for their home?

he sees his guilt in the fact that the "biting hook" led to the death of people, destruction, and on the way out - Minsk. He asks himself a question - and what is all this for? He hoped that in the Donbass, and throughout Novorossia, it would be the same as in the Crimea and its war pushed the Kremlin to this. But it so happened that it was in vain

[Break through]

There is no sense in lying to Strelkov. I believe him. Boeing shot down by Ukrainians.

[Roman123567]

If you believe Strelkov .. then the Boeing was probably already shot down by our military .. what he hinted at ..
And the "moral" guilt also emerges from here ..

[Break through]

On the contrary, he said that neither the militia nor the military did not shoot down.

[Roman123567]

he said no militias no the military did not shoot down

Once again - he did not say that !!
But he said just the opposite .. exactly as much as he could say ..

When he was asked if his words could be interpreted as an admission that the fault lies with the Russian military, Girkin said: “People can interpret it as they want.” He declined to comment further.

[Break through]

And where is the recognition? Are you really ku ku?

[samarin1969]

Shooters takes every opportunity to maintain their media character. Says about the same thing. Probably does not want to share the fate of Bolotov and others. Eliminating a public identity will be difficult without image losses.
Sadly, as a leader, Strelkov shared the fate of the Russian spring, Novorossia.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: samarin1969

Shooters takes every opportunity to maintain their media character.

Strelkov, as time has shown, turned out to be a very conflicted person. He participated in the creation of K-25 as the main one, then quarreled with all the members. Participated in the project of Boldyrev "people's leaders", supported Grudinin, then turned sharply and began to throw mud at Boldyrev, Grudinin and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation with the NPSR. He performed on the YouTube channels Spets and Stalingrad, then they stopped inviting there too. Not to mention the conflicts with Borodai, Shevchenko, whom I don't even know Surkov in absentia. With only one Maxim Kalashnikov and stayed. Although they are two boots of a pair, in terms of conflict. Now, in order to return to the media space, he gave an interview to the Russophobe Gordon, which he would never have done before. The "Napoleon Complex" in all its glory.

[New Year day]

Quote: samarin1969

Shooters takes every opportunity to maintain their media character.

media is its guarantee of security and it is still not clear from whom to a greater extent.

[samarin1969]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: samarin1969

Shooters takes every opportunity to maintain their media character.

media is its guarantee of security and it is still not clear from whom to a greater extent.

Undoubtedly !!

[aszzz888]

But do any hempy Dutch court really need any witnesses ?!
The culprits were appointed long ago, even before the ill-fated Boeing was shot down.

[georggy]

this body has already fed everyone with its statements. Doesn't know how to attract attention.

[Retvizan 8]

I want to say a few words about the interview with Gordon.
Or rather, comment on the circus that Gordon (really, in a person's last name, the letter "H" was clearly changed to "P" is not fair) arranged later!
Well, firstly, he did not publicly expose himself as a journalist, but as an ordinary Trickster, esboushny!
Secondly, Girkin was "the most courteous", even flattered him, and then behind his back he began to sign: "Terrorist" they say he is a criminal!
And about the Hague in general some nonsense froze, about flash drives ....
And before, he didn’t respect him, but now he finally lowered himself below the plinth!

[Stirbjorn]

Yes, Gordon was always like that, even Shariy several years ago was analyzing his interview with Bondarenko .... just Strelkov from the information blockade, which he himself created in essence, is ready to talk with the frank Russophobe Gordon, just to light up

[Operator]

Girkin stupidly worked out fees from the SBU agent Gordon and the Times.

[Pvi1206]

Interviews with Gordon Poklonskaya and Strelkova came out one after another and it was no accident ... the planned special operation? ... but who is the conductor? ...

[Siberian]

Kurginyan said to himself from the TV screen for all comers (which I completely agree with him): the country and the army did not take part there, and I as a citizen ... and so on. This is when they asked him about the supply of weapons. The retracted position and no one raised the washing. Everything is clear and understandable. We all who sent and sent packages there, transferred money, are morally responsible for supporting the war in the Donbass. And there already agree with your sailor as you see fit.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Siberian

We all who sent and sent packages there, transferred money, are morally responsible for supporting the war in the Donbass. And there already agree with your sailor as you see fit.

I sent parcels to children in Alchevsk! He helped real refugees from the Donbass in their region with housing and employment. So what? What remorse should I have?
My deep conviction is that the leadership of countries on both sides of the border should bear the full responsibility for what is happening in the Donbass.

[Kronos]

Yes, as a citizen bought thousands of assault rifles and armored personnel carriers, every citizen can

[Barmaleyka]

Of course I ask for periodontal but ....

In 1993-1994, he served in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation [24] as a gunner of the company of the guard of the 190th missile technical base in Golitsyno (military unit 11281 of the Air Defense Ministry; now disbanded) [source not specified 1621 days].

After completing military service in 1994, he remained under contract to serve as sergeant: first as part of a motorized rifle brigade, then as a reconnaissance range finder of a platoon of the mortar division control [3].

In March - October 1995 he served in the 166th guards separate Vitebsk-Novgorod twice Red Banner Motorized Rifle Brigade, then in other regions of Russia until 1998

when he managed to become a colonel of the FSB ?!

[Tamparu]

Quote: Mikhail3

Yes, yes, he is a knight in shining armor. Gone. Only now it’s going to the sunset in the cinema, but in life it’s getting closer to the ground. You need to go to an apartment, and preferably to your house, and there should be a constant income, and many want to be famous ... So first this person began to make statements, let's say ambiguous, but with a hint that they say I’ll say - I’ll say, there will be little to anyone! But he quickly gave up indulging, apparently some structures that work to protect state secrets found a key to him and clarified his real situation. So now this person is involved in all kinds of dubious projects and interviews, and, frankly, he’s doing a shit about it. That’s all chivalry.

Comparing yourself, Dear?

[skobars]

Girkin (Shooters) - MAN !!!

[Nikodim]

Quote: Tatiana

I do not understand. Why did Strelkov contact the Ukrainian provocateur Gordon, who cooperates with the Armed Forces and, in fact, does not intervene, but mediates the interrogation of the Armed Forces by the SBU and in favor of the Armed Forces ?!
What else could Strelkov have expected from Gordon, except for yet another sophisticated AFU’s provocation against DLNR, Russia and Strelkov himself?

Have you watched the interview itself?
It’s not Strelkov who got in touch with Gordon, it was Gordon who got in touch with Strelkov on his head, as Strelkov looked absolutely convincing there, his position was clear and consistent, Gordon could not object to Strelkov on anything

[GUSAR]

Well done Ivanovitch!

[datura23]

Girkin is your infamous selling bastard

[Pavel73]

Strelkov’s moral fault is that he splashed the enemy under his nose and allowed this provocation to be carried out. I did not foresee that they are capable of this. This is also our fault. They knew what bastards we were dealing with.

[mikstepanenko]

Well, yes, the court has reinforced concrete evidence of Russia's guilt. A witness (who we have, but who we will not tell anyone), who is directly at the firing position (how did he get there?), Who, through the roar of a missile launch (that's because the rumor, will analyze a mosquito squeak against the background of a working tractor) I heard that the commands were given in Russian (and in what else, not in English) and even with a Russian accent. The main evidence is the Russian accent (Russian language).

[babylon]

I can’t understand what purpose Strelkov pursued giving this interview
As you know, nothing happens just like that

[Ayyal]

I saw a video, he clearly said the militia did not bring down the Boeing. Everything else is the speculation of the USA and their slaves Ukrainians.

[Oleg133]

In Western law, apology is equal to a guilty plea.

[Oleg133]

This particular Boeing was not shot down by anyone.