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On the causes and consequences of Poland’s refusal of Russian gas

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In Poland, they expect in the foreseeable future to completely abandon Russian gas. At the same time, Warsaw is trying to explain this refusal not only with political considerations, but also with the supposedly unreliability of Gazprom as a partner.


Poland seeks economic and political arguments against Gazprom


Of course, the Polish side cannot recognize that the rejection of Russian gas is dictated solely by the desire to please overseas patrons represented by the United States. Not solid, and in Europe they will not understand. An entirely different matter is to try to bring an economic justification for this decision. Therefore, in Poland, the allegedly high prices for pipeline gas supplied by Gazprom were called the main reason for the refusal.

If we do not take into account Norwegian gas, a pipeline for the supply of which has not yet been built, then the only alternative to gas from Russia at the moment is only American liquefied natural gas. A special terminal was opened in специальныйwinouj открытcie for LNG reception, after which Poland received technical capabilities to increase the supply of American gas.

As you know, LNG is more expensive than ordinary (pipe) gas, but Warsaw claims that Gazprom sold fuel to Poland at the highest prices in Europe. At the same time, the Polish side makes a reservation that if Russia had lowered gas prices and even made them dumped, this would not have freed Poland from certain political risks associated with the purchase of gas from Russia.

It has long been known that Poland, like Ukraine, has a very great hostility towards Gazprom. But the attempts to make the Russian natural monopolist an unreliable partner, in addition to everything else politically engaged, look rather ridiculous. So, the same Germans or French are able to conduct financial affairs just as well as the Poles, especially if we compare the level of economic development of Germany or France with Poland. But they are not going to refuse to supply Russian gas to Berlin and Paris, but that’s something, yes. Or does Poland have some kind of “benefit” incomprehensible to other EU countries?

Among other reasons for the rejection of Russian fuel, mentioned by Polish analysts, there is also a very funny reason - in Poland they believe that the proceeds of Gazprom from the sale of gas go to finance the Russian armed forces.


In particular, Petr Wozniak, who once headed the Polish oil and gas concern, warns compatriots: 20-30% of the money that they pay for gas goes to the needs of the Russian army. But what does it matter if Poland receives gas? After all, if you look from this point of view, then Russian gas is also used in NATO countries, which include Germany, for various defense tasks. So now, stop all economic ties?

The reaction of the Polish press and the public


Yakub Vekh, the author of the Polish edition of Defense24, in his attempts to explain the rejection of Russian gas, in the end does not find anything smarter than remembering the “capture” of Crimea, the “outbreak of war” in the Donbass, as well as the provocation in the Kerch Strait and the muddy stories with the poisoning of Sergei Skripal. Where is Skripal, and where is Russian gas and the interests of the Polish economy? But in the minds of the Polish gentry, everything was mixed up, any pretext would fit, just to demonstrate their loyalty and usefulness to the Washington owners.

Agnieszka Marcela Kaminska from Polskie Radio is happy to complete the contract for gas transit through the Yamal-Europe gas pipeline, although it’s still not able to explain sensibly what Poland’s benefit is. The editor-in-chief of the Business Alert portal, quoted by her, Wojciech Jakubik, also discusses the reduction of political risks and believes that Gazprom will have to make very large concessions in order to maintain significant supplies to Europe. But is it really so?

By the way, the Polish audience, usually distinguished by its “victorious” moods, perceives the idea of ​​abandoning Russian gas rather carefully. This is understandable: one thing is demagogy about the “power of the Polish weapons", And another thing is gas, because it’s in the kitchen, and you have to pay for it from your wallet. And gas is the development of industry. Because they think about the consequences.

Russian gas for Poland is a drop in the bucket, this volume will be sent to China or other European countries. But what peace will be with Poland? Poland will pay billions for so-called independence,

- Someone writes ettas.

Another commentator recalls that the purchase of Russian gas fits into the model of energy diversification, so the contract with the Russians is still worth signing.

Stop making ideology out of it! Buy where it's cheaper, that's all

- Another user is indignant, and someone rmarcin555 recalls that American LNG and Norwegian gas will still cost more than Russian.
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  1. naburkin
    naburkin 20 May 2020 18: 15 New
    12
    All phobias, including Russophobia, are expensive in the modern world. You have to pay for everything, as old as the world.
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 20 May 2020 18: 33 New
      0
      Let the whole world die without Russian gas! yes
      1. naburkin
        naburkin 20 May 2020 18: 41 New
        -4
        Your humor, citizen, flat ....... well, very flat.
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 20 May 2020 19: 21 New
          +6
          Dear Poles, the last time you bought our gas, we specifically spent 100% of your payments ONLY on the army, moreover, on the western border and in the Kaliningrad region. And yes, and what else remained of your payments, squandered on the armored armada that look at you.
          Live now with this. tongue
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 20 May 2020 19: 36 New
            -7
            Quote: Mitroha
            Dear Poles, the last time you bought our gas, we specifically spent 100% of your payments ONLY on the army, moreover, on the western border and in the Kaliningrad region. And yes, and what else remained of your payments, squandered on the armored armada that look at you.
            Live now with this. tongue

            right now, tell the Turks the same ... they also refused ... maybe they believe that Miller gave everything to the defense industry with his shaking hands ... 100% ...
            1. Mitroha
              Mitroha 20 May 2020 19: 41 New
              +7
              The Turks refused, loudly said. Hapat where it is absolutely cheaper, while there is an opportunity. Temporarily.
          2. Andrei Gurov
            Andrei Gurov 21 May 2020 07: 33 New
            0
            They spent not only on weapons, but also on paint to write on the tanks "To Warsaw".
          3. Hagen
            Hagen 21 May 2020 12: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: Mitroha
            while you bought our gas, we specially spent 100% of your payments ONLY on the army

            I think it’s worth adding that while there is a trade between Russia and Poland, we are interested in having a profitable trading partner on the map, and we protect it, despite its tricks. Nothing strengthens trust and security from each other as mutually beneficial economic mutual dependencies.
            1. Mitroha
              Mitroha 21 May 2020 17: 46 New
              +2
              Quote: Hagen
              Nothing strengthens trust and security from each other as mutually beneficial economic mutual dependencies.

              Tell me this on the example of Ukraine and Russia, and yet we were also fraternal. And how many dependencies it was.
              It is time to stop tolerating their (Polish) Russophobic actions and statements, and to punish them by curtailing economic contacts and projects that are beneficial for them. As they say, "beat with a ruble"
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 21 May 2020 20: 17 New
                -1
                Quote: Mitroha
                Tell me this on the example of Ukraine and Russia

                This rule only works in independent, sovereign countries.
                1. Mitroha
                  Mitroha 21 May 2020 21: 22 New
                  -1
                  Do you consider Poland, at the moment, an independent and sovereign country? Completeness ..
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 21 May 2020 21: 41 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Mitroha
                    You consider Poland, at the moment, independent and sovereign

                    Of course not. Today, in their decisions from the 20s, no more than 4-5 countries can be called independent. Of those who are not included in the G20, there are none at all. However, this does not mean that the peoples, even in wishes, do not strive for independence.
            2. Thompson
              Thompson 22 May 2020 15: 25 New
              +1
              The feeling is that this benefit is somehow one-sided. They supposedly don't give a damn, but we don’t at all.
              Or are you really not seeing political ears?
        2. antivirus
          antivirus 20 May 2020 20: 52 New
          -1
          The whole earth is flat .... and the brains are flat (on the table)
      2. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 20 May 2020 21: 22 New
        0
        Be more humane. Do not, ,, die ,,. Let them pay. Have time, die.
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner 20 May 2020 20: 41 New
      +5
      I am sure that US gas companies will not stand up for bakshish for the Polish authorities. And the sale of the interests of ordinary Poles can be explained by the intrigues of "evil" Russia. Everyone does this, why be ashamed? The man in the street pays for Russophobia, and the ruling "elite" warms their hands quite well. hi
    3. Civil
      Civil 20 May 2020 20: 45 New
      -6
      They crawl on their knees, beg to sell them gas. The poor Poles are really not clear. But whether Russia will benefit from the island of prosperity and wealth is not a fact.
      1. Bagatur
        Bagatur 21 May 2020 06: 30 New
        +1
        Beggars Poles ??? They have a payment after taxes of $ 1000 ... And you?
        1. Civil
          Civil 21 May 2020 07: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: bagatura
          Beggars Poles ??? They have a payment after taxes of $ 1000 ... And you?

          And we have spirituality, okushka in the river and a little poverty.
          1. Tochilka
            Tochilka 21 May 2020 10: 07 New
            +3
            We also have 25 million high-tech jobs, getting up from our knees, no time for swinging, and three temples a day. Sarcasm if that
            1. Civil
              Civil 21 May 2020 11: 45 New
              +2
              Quote: Tochilka
              We also have 25 million high-tech jobs, getting up from our knees, no time for swinging, and three temples a day. Sarcasm if that

              In vain, sarcasm. More than half of schools already have warm toilets. We carry out the five-year plan for churches at the age of 4. And about 25 million high-tech jobs, so long as there are so many hands, they’ll give birth, it will be so.
      2. Mikhail Tynda
        Mikhail Tynda 21 May 2020 06: 32 New
        0
        Everything can be, dear, everything can be.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 20 May 2020 18: 18 New
    +7
    Russia can not understand with a mind!
    How to understand the Polish ... lords, but I can not imagine.
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 20 May 2020 18: 35 New
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      I can’t understand Russia!

      I am very sorry, but you said that you are a power engineer.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 May 2020 18: 47 New
        +2
        By the way, I could just give an example for comparison!
        Ha, ha, I also have a diploma in power engineering "Power supply of industrial enterprises ......". there was such a need in the service, it was very useful in civilian life ...
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 20 May 2020 19: 13 New
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          Ha, ha, I also have a diploma in power engineering "Power supply of industrial enterprises ......". there was such a need in the service, it was very useful in civilian life ...

          I want to note that the civilian "Diploma" cost at least 5-6 years of study at the university and coming to the enterprises of the N / X for another 5 years it was necessary to delve into the specifics.
          PySy. if you are talking about "phase" - "zero", then glory and honor to you! And if about "ENERGY", then take off your pants. hi
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 20 May 2020 19: 52 New
            +7
            What good was the classical Soviet education, even with distance learning, with shown interest and diligence, they received the necessary, extensive knowledge in general! On the planned topics, everything is necessary.
            The concept of ENERGY is so extensive that a competent specialist will not compare it with wires "through which kerosene flows". Electricity is just one part of a broad definition.
            For example, I am leading a team of IT specialists at a large enterprise. Without special education, without patronage, just having a classic Soviet education and a lot, a lot of self-education ....
            We installed a control system for POWER SUPPLY of the enterprise - EVERYTHING is taken into account. Electricity, steam, gas ..... everything that is supplied from the outside.
            PS phase, application, grounding, I do not confuse .....
            1. Nicholas C.
              Nicholas C. 20 May 2020 21: 42 New
              0
              Quote: rocket757
              What good was classical Soviet education, even with distance learning
              The concept of ENERGY is so extensive that a competent specialist will not compare it with wires "through which kerosene flows".
              For example, I am leading a team of IT specialists at a large enterprise.
              We installed a control system for POWER SUPPLY of the enterprise - EVERYTHING is taken into account. Electricity, steam, gas ..... everything that is supplied from the outside.
              It is believed that behind-the-ear and even evening training did not provide the necessary education. And even some full-time institutes. Although the current Bologna system, it’s more likely to scrap the brains rather than put anything into them.
              Weaker person (IT specialist) what does it have to do with energy? My wife in her large enterprise of low-voltage drivers drives like goose goats so that their snot (low-current wires) would not be thrown anywhere and had no habit of wrapping them with cable ties to power cables and other circuits. Well, did you put some kind of ASKUE (you have it in the singular), and what, after that, did the programmers and installers of low-current power engineers become?
              Sorry if that. Gift picture for you:
              1. Motorist
                Motorist 20 May 2020 23: 03 New
                0
                gift picture

                Try stepping on the boat like that. All mixed up taking into account space savings. There, probably, the laws of Kirchhoff Om Faraday (unnecessary - cross out) are slightly different. what
                1. pv1005
                  pv1005 20 May 2020 23: 43 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Motorist
                  gift picture

                  Try stepping on the boat like that. All mixed up taking into account space savings. There, probably, the laws of Kirchhoff Om Faraday (unnecessary - cross out) are slightly different. what

                  As a steamboat, there is unmeasured space. You lay this on a submarine with electric cables + high pressure air pipelines + fuel lines and all in one bundle. Just a dream. laughing
                  1. Motorist
                    Motorist 20 May 2020 23: 48 New
                    0
                    I also wanted to add, but I am a "submariner" only according to VUS - I have no experience and, accordingly, no argumentation ... request
              2. rocket757
                rocket757 20 May 2020 23: 12 New
                +2
                Quote: Nikolai S.
                It is believed that behind-the-ear and even evening training did not provide the necessary education

                Man lives, man studies, man develops!
                We started in different ways, for example, with anti-aircraft artillery, and it was also possible to finish in different ways, for example, as a specialist in setting up air defense systems in the ABM structure.
                Again, technology has progressed over the years, from lamp "kyrogas" to electronic assemblies made on the basis of a high degree of integration. Progress, from the size of a chumodan, to the same, in terms of functionality, the size of a matchbox.
                Education ... to someone and full-time is not good, but to someone in absentia to help, especially when necessary.
                Then, you can engage in self-study, continuing education courses and other ways to obtain the necessary knowledge.
                By the way, digital networks are now solid optics, and it’s cool around the power cable .... it’s not right, of course, but from the point of view of interference, she doesn’t care.
                1. Motorist
                  Motorist 21 May 2020 00: 58 New
                  +2
                  a person develops

                  Victor, in general, agrees, but education is a necessary thing. Here, for example, what would I do if I had no idea about the Kliperon-Mendeleev law (PV = RT)? I wondered what was happening there with the perfect gas? what
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 21 May 2020 05: 18 New
                    +1
                    Mendeleev invented the main formula, the correct ratio of WATER and HIS!
                    40% and in no other way ...... like I’ve compiled some other table, but that’s okay.
          2. major147
            major147 20 May 2020 20: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: Malyuta
            if you are talking about "phase" - "zero", then glory and honor to you!

            If you speak not a pillar, but a support - likewise!
        2. major147
          major147 20 May 2020 20: 14 New
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          I have a diploma in energy

          Yes, we are colleagues !!!
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 20 May 2020 23: 29 New
            +1
            Greetings colleague soldier
            An energetic, I became out of necessity, as I thought then, but this diploma really helped me !!! After the "demobilization", in civilian life in the dashing 90 hl. I worked as an energy engineer at a poultry farm! Normally it happened, SATICIOUS, for those times.
            But still, I'm an electronic engineer and switched to another job when the opportunity presented itself.
            But, knowledge is not superfluous, it is a fact.
            All e-mails always hung on me. power economy of our division. So sho do the feasibility study of the substation and now I can ... with the reference book of course.
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 21 May 2020 04: 50 New
              +2
              Quote: rocket757
              So sho do technical and economic calculation of substation and now I can ... with the reference book of course.

              What's it?
              As far as I remember, the calculation of the electrical substation determines:
              Calculation of the electrical part of the substation of the power supply system
              1. Determination of the total capacity of the substation consumers.
              2. Calculation and selection of power transformers.
              3. The choice of the main electrical connections of the projected
              substations.
              4. Calculation of short circuit currents.
              Quote: rocket757
              So sho do

              As if I didn’t have a problem with a robot, a technical one and an economical one. I remember the optimal rozrahunok ... Would you like, about the superperechka?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 21 May 2020 05: 35 New
                +2
                Quote: ROSS 42
                What's it?

                Zaroportilsya, it’s time to sleep, and then get up early.
                . Feasibility study (feasibility study), feasibility study (feasibility study) Feasibility study is a document that provides information justifying the economic feasibility of creating a product or service.

                TKZ, wandering currents, lightning protection .... how young we were, how many interesting things we studied!
            2. major147
              major147 21 May 2020 16: 29 New
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              this diploma really helped me !!!

              I was only on urgent duty, I served as an electrician on the AB-8t-230 at the R-404 radio station. After that, in the service I already provided advisory assistance by email. equipment of field camps during both Caucasian campaigns, and in part he patronized a generator with a tank engine. And so more and more in the household.
          2. _Sergei_
            _Sergei_ 21 May 2020 04: 46 New
            +1
            Yes, there is a mountain of colleagues. Especially when MES members come and say "pillar", I call my wife, because almost all of her former students, and in their presence I explain what illiterate specialists she learned. Or in the word "cable" the stress is not there.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 21 May 2020 05: 39 New
              +2
              A pillar b b, he is a pillar in Africa! And they call it, depending on how fast you drove into it!
    2. major147
      major147 20 May 2020 20: 12 New
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      How to understand Polish ...

      By the way, all their attempts against SP-1 ended .... with nothing!

      The German authorities have decided to withdraw the Nord Stream gas pipeline from the EU Gas Directive for 20 years, which introduces a number of restrictions for the project. This was announced on Wednesday by the Nord Stream operator Nord Stream AG.

      "On May 20, 2020, the Federal Grid Agency provided the Nord Stream gas pipeline with an exception to the main provisions of the EU Gas Directive," the statement said.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 May 2020 23: 31 New
        +1
        Yes, they will bypass all the directives, when he locks!
        Martsinkevich gave a whole lecture on YouTube how to do it.
        I listen to him constantly, interestingly, however.
  3. Asad
    Asad 20 May 2020 18: 22 New
    +1
    They don’t want to pay extra zloty for democratic gas, but they’ll have to!
  4. iouris
    iouris 20 May 2020 18: 22 New
    +1
    The reason is clear: the goal of the Polish elite is Poland from Mozh to Mozh. On the globe of Poland, the Russian Federation does not exist. Consequences ... The consequences follow from the realism of the goal and the scientific nature of the globe.
  5. Strashila
    Strashila 20 May 2020 18: 24 New
    +8
    the funny thing is that Poland buys LNG from American companies that buy it in Russia.
  6. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 20 May 2020 18: 28 New
    +1
    these articles should not be laid out to us, but in the Polish segment in a good Polish language this will be useful or let the board of Russia and Gazprom think
  7. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 20 May 2020 18: 35 New
    +8
    And I'm glad for Poland)))! After all, a fool does not need a knife, you show him a penny and do what he likes with him))))
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 20 May 2020 21: 37 New
      -2
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      After all, a fool does not need a knife, you show him a penny and do what he likes with him))))

      A bit wrong.
      A fool not need a knife,
      He's lying with three boxes
      And do what you like with him.

      The rest, I agree. wink
  8. Masha
    Masha 20 May 2020 18: 40 New
    +3
    Not solid

    So I understand ... face? I doubt that the owner will appreciate ... recourse
  9. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 20 May 2020 18: 43 New
    +6
    The strangest thing in all this muti is not Polish behavior. They have the right to buy gas wherever they like. It is strange that by criticizing the policies of the USA and the EU, Russia demonstrates the stupid persistence of a nerd to earn the currency of his geopolitical opponents.
    A catastrophic mistake or betrayal was made by the leadership of the USSR more than 50 years ago when, instead of a scientific and technical breakthrough, the choice was made in favor of exporting hydrocarbons to the west.
    We live in the theater of the absurd .. reign, but the actors do not rule, and we do not even know the scriptwriters and directors, this performance.
  10. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 20 May 2020 19: 09 New
    +8
    As you know, LNG is more expensive than ordinary (pipe) gas,


    Mantra .... and gas at a hub in Holland - $ 53, with a penny. In Baumgarten - 56 dollars. Buy, I do not want ...

    And because pipeline gas is cheaper, because Gazprom returned half the money to Europe for bribes, after a dispute with the European Commission.

    Meanwhile, in Bulgaria, gas fell in price in January (14. 12%), in February (23.23%) and in March (31.65%). This is for end consumers .... plus from the account, for the period from August 2019 to 2020, which citizens paid to Bulgargaz they will return the money. Those same about 100 million euros that Gazprom returned to Bulgarghaz.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 20 May 2020 21: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      Meanwhile, in Bulgaria, gas fell in price in January (14. 12%), in February (23.23%) and in March (31.65%). This is for end consumers .... plus from the account, for the period from August 2019 to 2020, which citizens paid to Bulgargaz they will return the money. The same about 100 million euros that Gazprom returned to Bulgarghaz

      Bulgaria must, must switch to "American liquefied". Your partners are yours; they will definitely not deceive you. laughing Why does Bulgaria need Russian gas? I will only be glad. Bulgarian economy will develop that. wink lol
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 21 May 2020 08: 14 New
        +1
        Bulgaria must, must switch to "American liquefied". Your partners are yours; they will definitely not deceive you.


        We make a mix. Russian gas, we have an agreement on Azeri, through Turkey and LNG at the terminal in Alexandroupolis. So we can minimize price fluctuations and get a favorable price for end consumers. Just trade, no politics.

        The minus is not mine.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 21 May 2020 09: 32 New
          0
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          Just trade, no politics.

          So and I about the same. wink
    2. Kisa
      Kisa 21 May 2020 04: 04 New
      0
      As I understand it, there are two options for buying gas and, accordingly, different prices - one price when they take it long - for now Belarusians pay 140 dollars which they bought a year in advance and what Father is not happy with and the new price tag will only be in 8 months for them. and gas that is sold on the hub for now 50 or 70 dollars. Ukraine also played this lottery a couple of years ago when in the winter it was left without a contract and took from the hub for 250 in the winter
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 21 May 2020 08: 22 New
        0
        As I understand it, there are two options for buying gas and, accordingly, different prices - one price when they take in the long


        So there was a dispute between Gazprom and the European Commission. And the price for the EU is already tied to the exchange price on the hubs.
  11. for
    for 20 May 2020 19: 17 New
    +7
    I don’t understand that it worries us where they want and how much they want there and buy. Maybe they are switching to LNG with the prospect, Something is wrong with the pipelines. And our supply of LNG will obviously increase, according to SevMorPuti, not Chinese goods will be transported. LNG is not dependent on transit countries, but the cost price will decrease as well as the price.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 20 May 2020 21: 45 New
      -3
      Quote: for
      I don’t understand that it worries us where they want and how much they want there and buy. Maybe they are switching to LNG with the prospect, Something is wrong with the pipelines. And our supply of LNG will obviously increase, according to SevMorPuti, not Chinese goods will be transported. LNG is not dependent on transit countries, but the cost price will decrease as well as the price.

      In general, I believe that it is necessary to stop supplying gas to Europe through pipes, except for LNG at an honest market price. Let them grow their economy. IMHO. hi
      1. for
        for 20 May 2020 23: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Tank Hard
        Let them grow their economy. IMHO.

        It would be better if ours were doing this.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 20 May 2020 23: 41 New
          0
          Quote: for
          It would be better if ours were doing this.

          I agree that Russia needs to develop its economy, not the Ukrainian one, for example. repeat
  12. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 20 May 2020 19: 18 New
    -2
    Selling power of Poland is trying to justify itself to the people of their country ....
  13. Rriv
    Rriv 20 May 2020 19: 20 New
    +3
    Yes, they carry gas from Russia every day
  14. Mitroha
    Mitroha 20 May 2020 19: 20 New
    +1
    in Poland they believe that the proceeds of Gazprom from the sale of gas go to finance the Russian armed forces.

    The proceeds of ANY company go to finance the army of the state of which the company belongs, at least through taxes, and in other ways, depending on the scope of the company.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 20 May 2020 21: 47 New
      -2
      Quote: Mitroha
      The proceeds of ANY company go to finance the army of the state of which the company belongs, at least through taxes, and in other ways, depending on the scope of the company

      So it is, but why at the same time feed the independent Kuev, for example? request
  15. The comment was deleted.
    1. Oleg Zorin
      Oleg Zorin 20 May 2020 19: 27 New
      +1
      Yes, it will. In 10-15 years
  16. really
    really 20 May 2020 19: 43 New
    +3
    Europe bought half of the gas in Russia, and then began to buy a third, Poland also goes this way. The more suppliers, the easier it is to get lower prices.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 20 May 2020 21: 50 New
      -2
      Quote: really
      Europe bought half of the gas in Russia, and then began to buy a third, Poland also goes this way. The more suppliers, the easier it is to get lower prices.

      Let it not buy Russian at all, let it take from Qatar or Israel, "for inexpensive", let it develop its economy. wink IMHO.
      1. really
        really 20 May 2020 22: 34 New
        -1
        Well, in general, this is what’s going on, everyone reads each other’s newspapers and monitors moods, some draw conclusions
  17. Grading
    Grading 20 May 2020 19: 59 New
    -2
    Quote: ASAD
    They don’t want to pay extra zloty for democratic gas, but they’ll have to!

  18. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 20 May 2020 20: 02 New
    +2
    I’m tired of reading, they (psheks) will probably soon have a whole ministry on inventing nonsense.
  19. Grading
    Grading 20 May 2020 20: 03 New
    -1
    Quote: Mitroha
    The Turks refused, loudly said. Hapat where it is absolutely cheaper, while there is an opportunity. Temporarily.

    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 20 May 2020 22: 22 New
      +2
      Well, they write that LNG is three times cheaper than Gazprom fellow Stupid Turks did not read this article, where the author Ilya Polonsky clearly indicated that
      As you know, LNG is more expensive than ordinary (pipe) gas, but Warsaw claims that Gazprom sold fuel to Poland at the highest prices in Europe.
      It is unclear why you are being minus ... like, instead of trampling on "psheks", you cite the Turks, for example, who have stuck another knife in the back. And local quilted jackets start bombing from this hi
  20. Million
    Million 20 May 2020 20: 12 New
    0
    As usual: to evil, mom’s ears are frost-bitten
  21. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 20 May 2020 20: 44 New
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    I don’t understand anything in gas supplies, but article is a plus.
    The heavier the sound of the guitars, the worse for the enemy! As the rock group "Cruise" taught in the years of distant youth.
  22. fif21
    fif21 20 May 2020 21: 01 New
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    Polish shipyards were left without orders from the Russian Federation, Polish farmers were left without a sales market in the Russian Federation. Now psheks will be left without money for gas transit. Avaricious pays twice, not smart three times! wassat
  23. Pavel57
    Pavel57 20 May 2020 21: 26 New
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    US agents are thinking about where to buy gas more expensive.
  24. Sergey985
    Sergey985 20 May 2020 21: 40 New
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    What is this nonsense? Nowhere is easier. Poland entered the European Union, the legislation has changed. Even if the Poles wanted to extend the old agreement on the same terms (and oh they would like), now it is simply impossible. And all this noise, except for a cheap booth, can not be called. A new contract will still be concluded. The Poles will never refuse our gas, Ms and transit, no matter how frosty the Psheks seem. Only everything will happen according to the rules currently in force in Europe. That's all. It is unclear why help the Poles fan this hysteria, self-PR ...
  25. Finn
    Finn 20 May 2020 22: 23 New
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    Quote: major147
    Quote: Malyuta
    if you are talking about "phase" - "zero", then glory and honor to you!

    If you speak not a pillar, but a support - likewise!

    And if the "spill"?
  26. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 21 May 2020 01: 13 New
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    Hmmm ...! Not Poland, but a kindergarten for ill-mannered impudent "children"! In spite of everyone, I'll frostbite my ears! Better yet, let them freeze their pips right away ... so that there are fewer idiots!
  27. Vovser
    Vovser 21 May 2020 02: 37 New
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    Yes. Cancel ALL gas supplies abroad, and pay attention to the domestic market. And after a 5-year embargo, sell gas only on the border with Russia. And we will see how they will sing.
  28. Alien From
    Alien From 21 May 2020 04: 21 New
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    The Poles themselves beckon, why do they need more gas: ....?
  29. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 21 May 2020 04: 59 New
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    On the causes and consequences of Poland’s refusal of Russian gas

    So should the causes and consequences really worry Russia? Yes, even with firewood, even with peat.
    First of all, we should worry that the country's natural resources go into oblivion in exchange for nothing. Why does nobody care what we received from Poland in exchange for the gas supplied?
    This is some kind of insanity in feeding jackals biting a hand.
  30. kig
    kig 21 May 2020 09: 55 New
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    The reasons are described in detail, but the article is called Causes and Consequences. And where are the consequences? Not even a price comparison.
  31. NF68
    NF68 21 May 2020 16: 11 New
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    If Poland is so rich that it can afford to buy more expensive LNG or something else, but more expensive is the flag of Poland in your hands and drums around your neck. It seems that they are not threatened to grow wiser in the near future.
  32. Radius
    Radius 21 May 2020 20: 05 New
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    "... Agnieszka Marcela Kamińska from Polskie Radio is happy with the completion of the contract for gas transit through the Yamal-Europe gas pipeline, although she is still unable to explain clearly what Poland's benefit is."
    Agnieszka will have to console herself at least with the fact that the winters are warm and there are still a lot of firewood in Poland!
  33. Artyom1979
    Artyom1979 21 May 2020 23: 24 New
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    Quote: Hagen
    Quote: Mitroha
    You consider Poland, at the moment, independent and sovereign

    Of course not. Today, in their decisions from the 20s, no more than 4-5 countries can be called independent. Of those who are not included in the G20, there are none at all. However, this does not mean that the peoples, even in wishes, do not strive for independence.

    But what about the DPRK?
  34. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 22 May 2020 08: 10 New
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    The Poles get it like this: - "And you, pioneer, let me re-educate me ..." without Russian carbohydrates and raw materials Everything is learned in comparison.
  35. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 May 2020 15: 09 New
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    I recently received a letter from a Polish nationalist, he writes - we need to run back to the Warsaw Pact, otherwise Jews and Germans will undress us. I don’t know, maybe you are late, and Borjomi will not help, I answered him. laughing
  36. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 May 2020 15: 14 New
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    Hai now forelocks are cracking ... to whom how much dostaneets and who more than the price for transit vparit ..

    The export capacity of Gazprom, excluding the Polish direction, now exceeds 170 billion cubic meters, after the commissioning of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline will reach about 230 billion cubic meters.

    exports in 2020 will amount to 166,6 billion cubic meters with an average price of $ 133 per thousand cubic meters. laughing
  37. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 May 2020 15: 15 New
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    $ 50 million a year is not money at all. This is not enough to ensure gas pumping.

    The Polish section of Yamal-Europe is 683 km. If we take $ 4 (the tariff for Ukraine all the time around this figure) per thousand cubic meters. m per 100 km and 30 billion cubic meters. per year, then half [(4 * (683/100) * (30'000'000'000 / 1000) =] almost $ 820 million.

    "$ 6,8 per thousand cubic meters" - I think, for 100 km

    Or what, logs for the dollar per 100 km pumped? No, I don’t believe, Kazakhs take 2 dollars. laughing
  38. IC
    IC 23 May 2020 18: 23 New
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    Or maybe their logic is different. Remember when you paid a lot of money for branded American jeans. 3 times more expensive than for Polish. And nothing, they spent and did not doubt.
  39. 1536
    1536 24 May 2020 08: 11 New
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    No, to admit that this Poland does not need such a volume of natural gas, since the country's economy is on the verge of collapse. This is an obvious fact if we compare economic indicators with the level of gas purchases. So, for example, according to reports from the Main Statistical Office of Poland itself, industrial production in the country by the II quarter of 2020 fell by a quarter (!). And this despite the fact that earlier the Polish economy was actually "exhausted". Fooling one's head at the level of "jokes" "Zucchini" 13 "chairs" have long been accepted in this unfortunate country to prevent a social explosion. However, this is a very dangerous trend, since the statements of the Americans about the relocation of nuclear weapons to Poland, as well as about the "knife" aimed at the heart of Europe, in the form of the Kaliningrad region, are heard from the lips of uncouth cowboys more and more often, and they are connected precisely with the growing instability on the borders of NATO, which these cowboys instinctively sensed.
  40. Thomas the Unbelieving
    Thomas the Unbelieving 24 May 2020 19: 57 New
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    It would be nice to gasify your country. And with Poland, that lead a conversation. It is interesting how he will live with tankers during emergencies through the ships of the Baltic Fleet. And Europe, for energy and other security, would be worth the American occupiers return to their continent.