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A new video of the Bayraktar UAV strike on the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system of Marshal Haftar forces in Libya is shown

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A new video of the Bayraktar UAV strike on the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system of Marshal Haftar forces in Libya is shown

New shots appeared on the network using Turkish-made Bayraktar strike drone in Libya. One of the videos shows how an impact drone fires at the Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile and cannon system, which was armed with units of the field marshal Khalifa Haftar, who calls himself field marshal. This is a unit of the Libyan National Army, which suffered a tangible defeat in the area of ​​the base of al-Vatiya.


A video published by Turkish bloggers demonstrates the destruction of the Pantsir air defense missile defense system in the Tarkhuna area. It is in these territories on the LNA, as previously reported by the Military Review, that the threat of getting into the boiler to the forces of the government of "national consent" hung. This is the government of Prime Minister Fayez Saraj, on the side of which Ankara is more active than others today.

The footage shows how the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile defense system (delivered to Haftaru earlier from the UAE) finds itself in an open area, turning into an ideal target for almost any strike weapon aviationincluding unmanned. As a result, the fate of the complex was a foregone conclusion at the very moment when it was brought out into the open.

Bayraktar TB2 UAV strike:

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  1. Break through
    Break through 20 May 2020 17: 34 New
    +6
    Again crew error. The Turks stupidly caught while the Shell is traveling. In short, the LNA does not really know how to handle Shells. Lose by stupidity.
    1. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 20 May 2020 17: 42 New
      +4
      Странные эти "Панцири", никто с ними обращаться не умеет, даже если расчеты учат российские военные...
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 20 May 2020 17: 51 New
        42
        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        Странные эти "Панцири", никто с ними обращаться не умеет, даже если расчеты учат российские военные...

        К сожалению, русская поговорка "И один в поле воин, коли ладно скроен" это не про арабов.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 20 May 2020 20: 01 New
          13
          Quote: sabakina
          К сожалению, русская поговорка "И один в поле воин, коли ладно скроен" это не про арабов.

          Glory. The air defense levels are sharpened differently. If there is a hole in one echelon, then everyone will be repaired one by one in several hours. You dumb or in flight. This is the law hi Count on NATO to drop troops on my battalion, but the marines do not pinch it - the khan to the battalion, and then on the list. Hole = Khan to all air defense
          1. nikon7717
            nikon7717 20 May 2020 21: 08 New
            +2
            [quote = Tusv] [quote = sabakina] Imagine NATO will drop troops on my battalion, but the marines will not pick it up - the khan to the battalion, and then on the list. Hole = Khan to all air defense [/ quote]
            I figured it out. You have a division, either a shell or a c300. So an airborne landing or are you at sea? If from the air, then the question to you is why I overslept huge planes and turntables with a landing party, and not destroyed it in the air. If from the sea, how did the sailors allow the landing and on the approach did not sink the landing ships or boats? With such an operation, you will have cover or you will be on the line already.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 21 May 2020 00: 18 New
              +5
              Quote: nikon7717
              I figured it out. You have a division, either a shell or a c300.

              Don’t worry Nikon, you still don’t understand the Semi-Military Organization. We were called A2 / AD That is, there are two to hell. Not only that, if we don’t cope, our younger brother will take revenge - Military Air Defense !!!!
              The Arabs and even the Yankees do not have such chic. Full stuffing is a very expensive pleasure
              1. Private-K
                Private-K 21 May 2020 08: 51 New
                -1
                Quote: Tusv
                We were called A2 / AD That is two to hell.

                Я правильно понимаю, что эта меткая саркастическая "расшифровка" аббревиатуры появилась среди российских военных?
              2. nikon7717
                nikon7717 21 May 2020 20: 12 New
                0
                Can Tsuv say thanks for a peaceful sky. Looks like you just adore the ultra-reliable P-12 (???). Trendy words a2ad is not about us. Is there probably something like 55zh6m or 1l119 in this area now?
                About the paramilitary hindered. Straight PMC.
        2. krillon
          krillon 20 May 2020 22: 31 New
          +3
          And the other, give the fool a glass, he will break it or cut his hands ..
        3. Rostislav
          Rostislav 20 May 2020 23: 36 New
          -1
          Немного по другому. "И один в поле воин, если он по русски скроен"
      2. Break through
        Break through 20 May 2020 17: 51 New
        38
        Able to our military. The rest lose out on stupidity. Even you in Syria, two Shells knocked out the stupidity of the Syrians. By the way, they are whole and already in service. You didn’t hit them much.
        1. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 20 May 2020 18: 09 New
          -52
          By the way, at least six, not two.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 20 May 2020 18: 22 New
            26
            A maximum of two, and then one was damaged, and the hardware seems to have survived, and you can actually shoot cartoons, unlike the Turks, in your Pantsyr even looks like yourself. The Turks move amoebas on a glass slide and only
          2. Interlocutor
            Interlocutor 20 May 2020 18: 25 New
            10
            wink The remaining 4 were imitators.
            1. Zeev Zeev
              Zeev Zeev 20 May 2020 18: 38 New
              -30
              Moreover, the wreckage of these imitators are scattered around the Syrian bases so far. To confuse the Zionist aggressor ™
        2. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 20 May 2020 18: 24 New
          29
          This is not even the case. The armor is not close to military air defense from the very beginning, but use it in that way and besides
      3. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 20 May 2020 18: 03 New
        32
        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        even if the calculations are taught by the Russian military ...

        Поставленный из СА "Панцирь"? А учили русские? А как это?
        1. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 20 May 2020 18: 09 New
          -37
          I'm talking about Syria.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 20 May 2020 21: 08 New
            20
            Quote: Zeev Zeev
            I'm talking about Syria.

            Syria inflicted vile attacks from Lebanon. Israeli vultures, covering their jackals with civilian traffic at the airports of Larnaca, Beirut, Damascus, Amman and Tel Aviv, were beaten in the back by the warriors with IS, Nusra and the armor fighting with Nusra and IS SSA Panzirim. Accidentally fell into one, having taken from two different angles gave out for two. How long? Why is the S-300 silent? Why are Putin and the Oligarchy indulging the Rothschilds? Where is the Rockefeller voice?
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 20 May 2020 22: 51 New
              +2
              Quote: Krasnodar
              vultures

              Domestic Pheasants
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 20 May 2020 23: 16 New
                -2
                Сто процентов! Да как они смеют...шестерки создателей дешевки "Старбакса" am
                1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                  Boris ⁣ Shaver 21 May 2020 04: 30 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  how dare they ..

                  So, as Benny agreed with Vova, obviously.
                  1. Maki Avellevich
                    Maki Avellevich 21 May 2020 05: 51 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                    So, as Benny agreed with Vova, obviously.

                    погуглите слово " сарказазм сэр " а то Краснодар не перестанет.
                    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                      Boris ⁣ Shaver 21 May 2020 05: 58 New
                      0
                      Quote: Maki Avellievich
                      погуглите слово " сарказазм сэр "

                      In every sarcasm ... - as they say
      4. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 20 May 2020 18: 34 New
        12
        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        Странные эти "Панцири", никто с ними обращаться не умеет, даже если расчеты учат российские военные...

        Сказавши "а" надо говорить и "б".
        https://diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/4271093.html
        https://diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/4579627.html
        But only to whom from Israel is it interesting?
        1. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 22 May 2020 10: 43 New
          0
          Ukrainians noted here:
          "Высокий процент потерь ББЛА «Байрактар TB2» в результате ударов, наносимых ВСХ с применением авиации и ББЛА «Вин лун II», привел к тому, что в конце августа 2019 года в Мисрате появилась третья партия «Байрактаров TB2», доставка которых выполнены украинскими авиакомпаниями на самолетах Ан-12 и Ил-76ТД. Всего было поставлено не менее 16 БЛА."
      5. Alstorm
        Alstorm 20 May 2020 18: 44 New
        +6
        То есть вы хотите сказать, что "Панцирь" это фикция, раздуваемая российской пропагандой? Раз уж никто с ними обращаться не умеет.
        It would be interesting to listen to your arguments.

        My opinion is as follows. The system was not put on alert. At the end of the video you can see in what position the containers with missiles are.
        Or, as an option, the UAV was out of sight of the radar, given the point from which the survey was made.

        Ну и так, на заметку. Например ОАЭ купила "Панцирь" себе. Наверно они ничего не понимают в хорошем вооружении и технике.
      6. Pytnik
        Pytnik 20 May 2020 18: 47 New
        19
        Haftar needs to put an iron dome, it is not 100% breakable wink
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 20 May 2020 21: 19 New
          +5
          Quote: Pytnik
          it is 100% not penetrable
          To 100%, it is necessary not to put a dome, but to put a cumpol. smile
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 20 May 2020 21: 27 New
          +6
          Quote: Pytnik
          Haftar needs to put an iron dome, it is not 100% breakable wink

          A leaky dome dishonored the military-industrial complex of the puppet regime with an unsecured dollar regime, letting through 90% of all water pipes fired by starving Gaza residents at Zionists trembling with fear. It would be better if the Pampers bought fellow
          1. bobba94
            bobba94 20 May 2020 21: 38 New
            +3
            This is not sarcasm, this is ............ (jammed).
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 20 May 2020 21: 40 New
              +9
              Sealed by Israeli lobby in Anadyr administration negative
        3. +5
          +5 21 May 2020 10: 26 New
          +1
          Kumpol sharpened knock down water pipes stuffed from a hardware store .... such in Libya
      7. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 20 May 2020 18: 48 New
        21
        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        Странные эти "Панцири", никто с ними обращаться не умеет, даже если расчеты учат российские военные...

        А что поделать? Вон, сосед Сирии тоже думал, что дело в нашем оружии - и купил вместо него "Абрамы". Но и с "Абрамсами" у него та же фигня получилась.
        - А я тебе говорил - место проклятое! А то всё "руки не из того места, руки не из того места".
        laughing
        1. Ryazan87
          Ryazan87 20 May 2020 21: 49 New
          +3
          Алексей, я насчет "Панцирь" и читал, и смотрел изрядно. Но знаете, что больше всего смутило?
          Наткнулся как-то на вот такой сюжет программы "Полигон" (официоз вполне себе, по Россия 2 показывали):
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv57h6fZqvA
          Please see from 24.30, and especially from 25.10.
          I looked and was somehow thoughtful.
          1. pvs512
            pvs512 21 May 2020 07: 51 New
            +1
            At a distance of 2 km from the guns did not hit, but a rocket shot down.
        2. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 21 May 2020 11: 04 New
          -1
          A blow to the Saudi refineries, and the uniform disgrace in Yemen. The question of shooting down air targets by the Patriot during the Yemeni company is a very big question. From the debris shown, it can be assumed that only 1/10 of the targets were actually shot down by missiles.
      8. Pacifist
        Pacifist 20 May 2020 18: 50 New
        30
        As you can see, the car comes with an inactive radar, with weapons in the stowed position. Those. the doormats again translate the complex without shutting down and inactive. Well, well done, protocols and regulations? No, not heard. And there is nothing to ulcerate. The carapace is a good complex, but some even use a microscope to nail nails.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 20 May 2020 23: 27 New
          +3
          As you can see, the car comes with an inactive radar, with weapons in the stowed position

          Hmm .. where is it visible? just before the explosion, the rotation of the surveillance radar is visible.
          Another thing is that the angle of attack for him is probably transcendental - they remove it almost vertically.
          1. Alexey G
            Alexey G 21 May 2020 14: 26 New
            0
            Well, guys, we were not at the scene of this battle! Do not know exactly what happened there? Maybe that shell of rockets was no longer there, then the sense of the rotating radar was, maybe the guys wanted to escape by leaving stupidly from the area ...
            Specialists in the Baltic warfare are playing against you, they sow your doubts about our Russian weapons so that no one buys them, because they are easily destroyed like!
            And here you’ve already folded your legs! Look, if the Turks really need these shots, then the Shell is a FIGURE on the field, otherwise why is this noise. After all, they do not remove and do not spread the defeat of the ZSU23 or T72go missile, no, they want to step on your leg!
            And now couch analysts in Russia talk about the power of unmanned weapons, the invincibility of a swarm of drones !!! lol From which there is no salvation, except in prayer ...
            1. Sencis
              Sencis 22 May 2020 00: 42 New
              0
              Всё равно это очень странно, беспилотник не истребитель это чаще всего "РУ самолётик с ракетой" и тем не менее он справляется с боевой машиной ПВО, которая ещё и просто стоит пока в неё летит ракета не пытаясь сбить дрон или подлетающую ракету. Как самолётик подошёл на дистанцию обстрела своей ракеткой, почему экипаж видя его как он летит (если видел) не предпринимал никаких действий неужели тупо стоять это лучшее решение? Я бы врятли стоял на месте зная, что за мной летит дрон, если без ракет и патронов поехал бы под купол другой ПВО, вызвал подмогу, ПЗРК, ну или хотя-бы дымы запустил может машина целая будет, но экипажи ничего не делают, значит либо они его не видят, либо видят но слишком поздно, либо видят но всё перечисленное вообще бесполезно и тогда ЗРПК действительно говно ведь подобные ситуации происходят постоянно. ПЗРК в данной ситуации будет гораздо эффективнее а его потеря не столь значительна, поднять-бы ему дальность до 10км и дрогой ЗРПК получается вообще не нужен, достаточно нормального радара и пару взводов с базуками.
              1. Alexey G
                Alexey G 22 May 2020 12: 10 New
                0
                Well, they showed you a piece of the video. What is there to see? That the car is leaving from somewhere. But where from? Maybe she was standing in a hangar, inside which the radar does not catch anything. Left and these caught her until Pantsyr had time to do anything.
                Why do you all dream of a superweapon? He is not and never will be. Everything has weaknesses and strengths!
                Well, in fact, what are you like then? If someone was sitting in the bushes and hammering on Pantsyr from a heavy machine gun, would you also say that Patsyr is shit and it is useless?
                Well, why then not a single drone will hammer on Khmeimim ??? Purely out of respect for Russia? What do you think that the drone does not see the drone? They see. All their effectiveness lies in the fact that the manager is far from the place of events and does not risk his life, only grandmothers.
                The drones are terrible only to the natives, since they have weak air defense or there are few of them, so they are hidden in hangars. In the event of a conflict with a state with developed aviation and air defense, drones are of little use! They will be brought down in the first days of the war and therefore they will quickly end. Or, at the bases where they are collected, real aviation will strike and smash this expensive rubbish into chips! And those fat asses that they control will be sent to battle as infantry, where they will quickly die ...
      9. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 20 May 2020 19: 29 New
        +6
        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        Странные эти "Панцири", никто с ними обращаться не умеет, даже если расчеты учат российские военные...


        Here's what American Forbes writes about this. request
        Libyan government forces have successfully completed an important intelligence operation. At the al-Vatiya airbase, they were able to capture the latest anti-aircraft missile and cannon system “Shell-C1”. In fact, this Russian air defense system was delivered not by Russia, but most likely by the United Arab Emirates and taken from their arsenals.

        The capture of this ZRPK was preceded by dramatic events. On May 16, an unmanned aerial vehicle attempted to attack this missile system shortly after its arrival at al-Vatiyah base. There is a video recording that shows how this ZRPK is first driven into a fortified aircraft hangar, where it is hit by a rocket. This airbase is under the control of the opposition to the current government of the Libyan National Army under the command of Khalifa Hawtor. As a result of the attack carried out with the help of a Turkish-made TB2 drone, this missile system, apparently, was destroyed even before it was put into combat mode. However, it was only damaged, not destroyed. Most likely, the missile didn’t get into the installation itself, but into the “technical” armored vehicle, in the jeep located next to it.

        As it turned out, this was a real success for the government forces, since only two days later, on May 18, they captured this base. Based on the numerous images that appeared on social networks, this ZRPK suffered from a rocket explosion, but not much. Obviously, at the time of the attack, the missiles of the complex itself were already in its containers.

        https://inosmi.ru/military/20200519/247456197.html
      10. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 20 May 2020 19: 50 New
        +4
        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        Странные эти "Панцири", никто с ними обращаться не умеет, даже если расчеты учат российские военные...

        It’s not technology that is fighting, people are fighting with this technology.
        1. qobnvmog
          qobnvmog 20 May 2020 20: 32 New
          -4
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          It’s not technology that is fighting, people are fighting with this technology.

          If this technique was sold to people who do not know how to handle it, then this technique should have a fully automatic operation mode, otherwise either the technique is not so good or these people were deceived.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 20 May 2020 21: 42 New
            0
            Quote: qobnvmog
            in this technique there should be a fully automatic operation mode,

            Here you are and engage in its manufacture.
            1. qobnvmog
              qobnvmog 21 May 2020 01: 15 New
              -7
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Here you are and engage in its manufacture.
              If I knew how to do it and would do it, that is exactly what I would do. But I’m not talking everywhere about having no analogs, and those who are talking about couldn’t do it.

              To assess the quality of the TV, I do not need to be able to produce it, I do not even need to buy it, I just need to see it from others.

              To evaluate something, I do not have to be able to produce it.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 21 May 2020 08: 21 New
                +3
                Quote: qobnvmog

                To evaluate something, I do not have to be able to produce it.

                Well, do not worry, since you do not know how.
                1. qobnvmog
                  qobnvmog 21 May 2020 13: 47 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Well, do not worry, since you do not know how.

                  I do not bother, I appreciate. For this, there is no need to squander.
              2. alexmach
                alexmach 21 May 2020 08: 22 New
                +1
                I don’t even have to buy it, I just need to see it from others.

                Not enough. You need to at least operate it yourself. Otherwise, your rating is zilch
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 21 May 2020 10: 09 New
                  +1
                  This kind of schoolboy is joking: AI needs to be fully automatic, and the schoolboy saw this Shell only in pictures.
                  And if this ZRPK was put on the road alone, without giving the jeep a network communication channel over the air, then these are dolbak algorithms, regardless of nationality ...
                  Хотя бы парами выпускали: один идёт, другой дежурит - или это уже "авось" сработал.
                  1. Black Colonel
                    Black Colonel 22 May 2020 10: 58 New
                    0
                    Там не "Авось", там 'Аллаху Акбар" сработал.
                2. qobnvmog
                  qobnvmog 21 May 2020 13: 49 New
                  -2
                  Quote: alexmach
                  Not enough. You need to at least operate it yourself. Otherwise, your rating is zilch

                  My assessment is sufficient for me and my decision to buy something or not. Who looks at these Armor decides everything in that way.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 21 May 2020 13: 53 New
                    +1
                    Even the TV needs to be used for some time. Click the buttons on the remote control, watch it with different lighting, maybe try playing on it with a prefix, I'm already silent about all sorts of smart-tivi functions that often often look different.

                    My assessment is sufficient for me and my decision to buy something or not. Who looks at these Armor decides everything in that way.

                    Nobody seemed to offer you shells to buy. And a lot of you there know how and what re-attack is the one who buys air defense systems :)
                    1. qobnvmog
                      qobnvmog 21 May 2020 14: 06 New
                      -1
                      Quote: alexmach
                      Even the TV needs to be used for some time.

                      No. I do not spend money on what I do not like. Dot.
                  2. alexmach
                    alexmach 21 May 2020 14: 00 New
                    0
                    And as for examples of use - well, there are such examples. There is an example of Hiimim, who repulsed all but one air attack. There is also an example of recent CAA actions against the Turks and their proxies in Idlib - the first days were a complete shock, then in a couple of days they were able to turn the tide.
          2. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 21 May 2020 05: 53 New
            +2
            Quote: qobnvmog
            If this technique was sold to people who do not know how to handle it, then this technique should have a fully automatic operation mode.

            тогда заодно надо арабам и калашы с "режимом полностью автоматической работы" разработать надо.
            1. qobnvmog
              qobnvmog 21 May 2020 13: 53 New
              -1
              Quote: Maki Avellievich
              тогда заодно надо арабам и калашы с "режимом полностью автоматической работы" разработать надо.

              They know how to use Kalash; It doesn’t matter what they know how to use, it is important what they don’t know how to use. This is what automation is needed for.
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 21 May 2020 14: 58 New
                0
                Так и "не наши" арабы пользоваться ЗРК тоже не умеют. Тенденция однако. А чуваков на АБрамсах и Ошкошах гоняют мужики с АКМ в тапочках..
              2. Maki Avellevich
                Maki Avellevich 23 May 2020 07: 04 New
                0
                Quote: qobnvmog
                Quote: Maki Avellievich
                тогда заодно надо арабам и калашы с "режимом полностью автоматической работы" разработать надо.

                They know how to use Kalash; It doesn’t matter what they know how to use, it is important what they don’t know how to use. This is what automation is needed for.

                Well, at least this shot needs to be helped by technology.
          3. alexmach
            alexmach 21 May 2020 08: 20 New
            0
            o in this technique should be fully automatic

            Aha and fully automatic placement on the battlefield?
            1. qobnvmog
              qobnvmog 21 May 2020 13: 54 New
              -1
              Quote: alexmach
              Aha and fully automatic placement on the battlefield?

              It’s enough to shoot back in automatic mode, and where they put it is not a matter of automation.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 21 May 2020 13: 55 New
                0
                and where they put it is not a matter of automation.

                And doesn’t it affect the shooting by itself?
                And by the way, they all have an automatic shooting mode.
                1. qobnvmog
                  qobnvmog 21 May 2020 14: 07 New
                  -2
                  Quote: alexmach
                  And by the way, they all have an automatic shooting mode.

                  Horseradish means mode. Doesn't shoot.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 24 May 2020 16: 38 New
                    -1
                    Horseradish means mode. Doesn't shoot.

                    Normal Mode But exalted commentators are so-so.
                2. hydrox
                  hydrox 22 May 2020 14: 35 New
                  +1
                  Ещё бы к Калашам приделать и режим автоматического прицеливания с блочком "свой-чужой". laughing
      11. Piramidon
        Piramidon 20 May 2020 20: 39 New
        +4
        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        Странные эти "Панцири", никто с ними обращаться не умеет

        Any, even the best technique in the hands of a savage is a piece of iron.
      12. halpat
        halpat 20 May 2020 20: 43 New
        +5
        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        Странные эти "Панцири", никто с ними обращаться не умеет, даже если расчеты учат российские военные...

        Arabs should not be given weapons more difficult than small arms. they only dishonor those who gave it to them and even taught them.
        this has been confirmed repeatedly since the Arab-Israeli wars.
      13. hohol95
        hohol95 20 May 2020 23: 36 New
        +4
        UAE - 50 units 96K6, as of 2018. 50 Pantsir-S1E complexes and 1000 9M311 units were delivered from Russia between 2009 and 2013. (initially, the first delivery was planned for 2003).
        I'm not sure that the crews were trained by Russian instructors.
        In the UAE, they themselves had to learn for a long time. And since these Shells were from them, they were supposed to train calculations. Or sit in cars yourself.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 21 May 2020 08: 28 New
          +2
          In the UAE, they themselves had to learn for a long time. And since these Shells were from them, they were supposed to train calculations. Or sit in cars yourself.

          Слушайте, при чем тут обучение персонала то? Панцирь снимают с дрона практически вертикально, вероятно и удар наноситься оттуда же - из "мертвой зоны" обзора радара. Как он попал в такое положение - вопрос открытый, вот только при наличии одного единственного Панциря эта проблема не решается ни при какой выучке экипажа. Решается она только грамотным построением ПВО. А при их единичных количествах любой техники я почему-то уверен что там и не пахнет никакой системой.
      14. V1er
        V1er 21 May 2020 08: 33 New
        +3
        The shell was handed over from the AOE, which Russian military? Rather, the Arabs taught the Arabs, that’s the result.
      15. sivuch
        sivuch 21 May 2020 08: 55 New
        +3
        And who said what the Russian military was teaching?
      16. +5
        +5 21 May 2020 10: 23 New
        +1
        How many cases of shooting down 8 air defense missiles in one battle in the history of mankind do you know?
    2. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 20 May 2020 19: 13 New
      +6
      Quote: Break through
      Again crew error. The Turks stupidly caught while the Shell is traveling. In short, the LNA does not really know how to handle Shells. Lose by stupidity.


      A dramatization while taking the base of El-Vaty?
      This whole story began a few days before the forces of the Government of National Accord took control of the El-Vatyy base. According to a source, the General Command of the forces stationed at the base ordered the withdrawal of troops three days earlier. The conclusion was carried out in stages: first, 1000 cars left in the direction of Az-Zintan and Ar-Rajban. It was planned to export supplies in three batches.

      In the end, the base remained empty - without weapons and ammunition. What could be seen on the videos of the Government of National Accord, according to the source, these are just worn-out Mirage planes, Sukhoi and MiG planes that have failed since 2011.


      In addition, according to a source, the demonstrated ammunition is a pre-planned performance, which is nothing but the ammunition of the PNS forces. In other words, the army can now change the rules of the game and bomb the base whenever it wants.
      The interlocutor supplemented his version of events with details of the last secret meeting held by Field Marshal Haftar with a number of representatives of Az-Zintan. During the talks, he assured the latter that the regions of El-Batu, Surman and Sabrat did not have strategic significance and the mission related to the aforementioned base was completed after 70% of the ammunition was delivered through this point.


      The last forces, according to the source, left the base five hours before the advance of the PNS forces, and the officers left it nine days before. Eighteen days earlier, the Air Force fighter squadron left the area, as deciding to stay would be suicide.

      https://inosmi.ru/politic/20200520/247465597.html
    3. lucul
      lucul 20 May 2020 19: 30 New
      +2
      A new video of the Bayraktar UAV strike on the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system of Marshal Haftar forces in Libya is shown

      But the Libyans write that all this is fake)))
    4. Alexey G
      Alexey G 21 May 2020 02: 24 New
      +1
      The creators of the Shell said that he was combat-ready and in movement, as I heard. So on the go does not heal ...
    5. Tuzik
      Tuzik 21 May 2020 09: 07 New
      +4
      the carapace and on the move can work, knowing that they are constantly hunted, just to ride through the desert - this is suicide, which the crew did
  2. Masha
    Masha 20 May 2020 17: 41 New
    0
    One of the videos shows how an impact drone fires at the Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile and gun system

    Even I can slap this with my weak mind ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 20 May 2020 18: 30 New
      +2
      you are great! like Catherine the second!
  3. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 20 May 2020 17: 43 New
    14
    Все таки, этот "байкартар" стоит своих денег. Конечно, это чисто мое личное мнение, но сутки висеть и выжидать именно нужную цель...
    Soon the Turks will lift a heavy UAV with a powerful bomb load on the wing, then it will become even darker on the battlefield.
    1. Emphasis
      Emphasis 20 May 2020 17: 51 New
      +1
      Yes, a combination of light, medium and heavy UAVs can break the situation on any battlefield
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 20 May 2020 18: 25 New
        10
        With adequate organization, CC will not be able to ...
      2. Alexey G
        Alexey G 21 May 2020 02: 27 New
        +3
        Yes, yes, yes ... Again, panic among the natives! Take a pair of Mig 31s with AWACS into the air and see what remains of your bayrackers! laughing
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 21 May 2020 08: 34 New
          0
          a pair of Mig 31 with support for AWACS

          MiG-31? well enough.
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 20 May 2020 17: 53 New
      +3
      Even darker ... Nazarii, are you talking about tactical nuclear weapons? recourse
    3. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 20 May 2020 18: 27 New
      +5
      Soon the Turks will lift a heavy UAV with a powerful bomb load on the wing, then it will become even darker on the battlefield.


      laughing и уронят его на очередной "Панцирь"
    4. qobnvmog
      qobnvmog 20 May 2020 18: 33 New
      -4
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      heavy UAV with powerful bomb load

      Only not bombing, but rocket. Use UAVs for bombs - waste. The heavier the UAV, the more long-range homing missiles it can carry, and the farther the aircraft can release them from the air defense.
  4. dgonni
    dgonni 20 May 2020 17: 44 New
    +8
    The armor can work in motion. The question is why didn’t he?
  5. elai
    elai 20 May 2020 17: 44 New
    -14
    Radar enabled .. Yes, not the first obser of these complexes
    1. Break through
      Break through 20 May 2020 17: 52 New
      -1
      And what is included? Everything depends on the operator.
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 20 May 2020 17: 53 New
      -36
      It is interesting to have at least some modern Russian weapons that have shown effectiveness?
      1. Break through
        Break through 20 May 2020 17: 59 New
        +3
        All Russian weapons are effective. All the destroyed shells were on the march, either without a crew, and one stupidly threw rockets.
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 20 May 2020 18: 00 New
          -24
          Where are the success examples?
          1. loki565
            loki565 20 May 2020 18: 07 New
            15
            Does the number of UAVs lost in Libya mean nothing?
            1. Kronos
              Kronos 20 May 2020 18: 08 New
              -26
              Have accurate quantity data? Moreover, they performed their work
              1. loki565
                loki565 20 May 2020 18: 13 New
                17
                At the beginning of May there were 14 Bayraktar TB2 drones shot down
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 20 May 2020 18: 27 New
                  20
                  15 already + 4 of an unknown type - if you are about Libya
                2. bobba94
                  bobba94 20 May 2020 21: 50 New
                  +6
                  The export price of Shell-S is approximately $ 11 million. Bayraktar costs about $ 10 million (Ukraine recently bought 6 Bayraktar from Turkey for $ 60 million). Here it is necessary to take scores and make a calculation ........
                  1. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 20 May 2020 22: 05 New
                    +4
                    Control complex, 6 UAVs, 200 units of ASP, preparation of a battlefield - 69 million killed raccoons
                  2. KURT330
                    KURT330 21 May 2020 08: 41 New
                    -5
                    The export price of Shell is approximately $ 70 million. It is beneficial for some to present a lower price to the people. Why and why think for yourself.
          2. Break through
            Break through 20 May 2020 18: 09 New
            -1
            Syria, Libya, Donbass.
            1. Kronos
              Kronos 20 May 2020 18: 13 New
              -22
              Okay, Syria and Libya are permissible, but is there a shell in the Donbass?
              1. Alexander Galaktionov
                Alexander Galaktionov 20 May 2020 18: 16 New
                +4
                The carapace glowed in the Donbass, and as in Libya and Syria with the old radar, this is despite the fact that the Ukr have Bayraktars
              2. 113262a
                113262a 20 May 2020 20: 27 New
                +3
                In the LPR, there is definitely one!
                1. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 20 May 2020 22: 12 New
                  +6

                  Quote: 113262
                  In the LPR, there is definitely one!

                  Do not chat on the phone, a talker is a godsend for a spy ..
              3. sivuch
                sivuch 21 May 2020 09: 05 New
                +6
                Over the past month, several Ukrainian drones, which invaded the region’s airspace from the north, were shot down by the Pantsir anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems “Armor” in the Crimea, a Crimean power source said in December 2014.
                Source: http://bastion-karpenko.ru/pantsir-s/ MTC "BASTION" AVKarpenko
          3. slipped
            slipped 20 May 2020 18: 09 New
            23
            Quote: Kronos
            Where are the success examples?


            Internet disconnected laughing In 2019, 53 unmanned aerial vehicles and 27 MLRS shells were shot down https://iz.ru/957837/2019-12-24/shoigu-nazval-chislo-sbitykh-za-2019-god-bespilotnikov-terroristov-v -sirii
            1. Kronos
              Kronos 20 May 2020 18: 12 New
              -29
              Um, where are the proofs just statements? Anyone can call a number
              1. loki565
                loki565 20 May 2020 18: 19 New
                11
                Usually every UAV shot down in Libya is then found by locals, photos and videos are full, Google is there to help.
              2. T.Henks
                T.Henks 20 May 2020 18: 35 New
                20
                Go look. I do not offer a sofa.
              3. poquello
                poquello 21 May 2020 00: 24 New
                +4
                Quote: Kronos
                Um, where are the proofs just statements? Anyone can call a number

                these are your problems, ask your clown to turn on tv and internet
          4. alexmach
            alexmach 21 May 2020 08: 36 New
            0
            Where are the success examples?

            The shell? In Syria.
        2. Leon68
          Leon68 20 May 2020 22: 38 New
          +7
          Quote: Break through
          ... and one stupidly threw rockets.

          Is this, you mean, that fake Jewish video? So it has already been proven on the network that this is fake - glued from different parts, Pantsyr missiles do not fly like that and different types of installations are shown in the video. Or Turks? Where did the installation evaporate after a rocket hit?
    3. loki565
      loki565 20 May 2020 18: 16 New
      +5
      The included radar does not say anything about the presence of missiles.
    4. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 20 May 2020 18: 28 New
      +5
      Radar enabled .. Yes, not the first obser of these complexes


      And what else complexes work there and do not hit? List in the studio ...
    5. D16
      D16 20 May 2020 18: 29 New
      +7
      Radar is on ..

      The radar has a dead zone on top. It is possible that even before it was turned on, the drone was already there. Without surveillance radars and Range, and with the Arab sloppiness, good luck is not to be seen.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 20 May 2020 18: 49 New
        +6
        In solitary order, the same complexes to use criminally ...
      2. Alex f
        Alex f 20 May 2020 22: 50 New
        0
        but the Turks destroyed him, aren’t they slobs?
      3. sivuch
        sivuch 21 May 2020 09: 09 New
        +7
        Mutual cover? No, not heard. These are not just Arabs - they are Libyans. Compared to them, the Syrians seem German neat.
  6. knn54
    knn54 20 May 2020 17: 46 New
    +4
    Где прикажете "Панцию" в Сахаре прятаться?
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  7. tlauicol
    tlauicol 20 May 2020 17: 59 New
    +1
    For today, four different videos have been thrown into the network. It looks like a lot of shells
    1. yfast
      yfast 20 May 2020 18: 12 New
      -1
      If they beat them, then they interfere with something. Maybe the view is scary.
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 20 May 2020 18: 26 New
      +1
      2 pieces and 1 captured
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 20 May 2020 18: 36 New
      -8
      Do not break the heart cheers patriots. They will soon agree to hundreds of bairaktars ...
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 20 May 2020 18: 53 New
        +7
        Learn - Libya, https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/dblist.php?Country=5A
        Are there also patriots?
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 20 May 2020 19: 13 New
          -7
          Изучил. 15 беспилотников почти за год. Если полистать все листы, то МиГов, Сушек, Милей и Чехов гораздо больше. И!!! Они не уничтожали "панцирей"!
          А если учесть тактические плюсы, которые были получены с помощью "байрактаров", особенно последний разгром, то извините...
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 20 May 2020 19: 18 New
            +8
            You deftly changed your shoes in flight. Incidentally, a total of 98 Bayraktar was built in December last year. And lost 20 pieces today.
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 20 May 2020 19: 35 New
              -7
              И в чем моя переобувка? Вот сбрасываю скрин вчерашнего общения, коммент "эксперт" удалил, но скрин то остался))) И как не назвать его урапатриотом?
            2. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 20 May 2020 19: 40 New
              -2
              There are 04.2020 bayraktars in the Turkish Armed Forces (107), of which 87 are under the wings of a rocket. Another Anki is fighting 12-15 pieces. There are 9 pieces of battle bayraktars in the gendarmerie. 6 pieces were sold, among other things. Ukraine, 12 pcs. Qatar, 20 pcs. Livia, and 6 pcs. Anka-S Tunisia.
              "А потеряно на сегодня штук 20." Если даже предположим,что потеряли за все время 20 шт,то это уже давно пополнили,так как они сейчас впускают в среднем 7-9 байрактаров в месяц.Еще завод Анки тоже впускает аппаратов без остановки.
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 20 May 2020 20: 20 New
                +2
                Link will be on 9 UAV per month? And then it turns out for 6 years that 98 pieces were delivered for the Turkish Armed Forces until December 2019 + export, with an average rate of 2.5 cars per month.
                Out of your link, most of the Libyan Bayraktars were lost.
                1. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 20 May 2020 20: 38 New
                  +5
                  I watched a wound video (in Turkish) about the Bayraktar production, where it was said that by 2019 they let in 1 week of UAVs per week. After that, they built and launched a workshop for the production of composite materials, a furnace for cooking composite elements, blanks for creating elements of the entire housing, etc., and this accelerated the intake rate by 2 times.
                2. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 20 May 2020 20: 56 New
                  0
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55ZoEwv5COQ Видео от 05.2019. Пишут красным текстом,что расширили производства в 2 раза,в год будет выпушено 92 Байрактаров,после запуска крупный Акынджы в серию,будет впущено 24 шт. в год и.т.д.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 21 May 2020 08: 42 New
                    +3
                    It is natural that when the first samples are piece production, and then with production and especially with successful combat use, the output is increased.

                    And as for the fact that they are being shot down - the correct observation is above, it is an unmanned aerial vehicle, it is intended for this purpose to use it as a consumable.
  8. Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 20 May 2020 18: 11 New
    -8
    [quote=Вождь краснокожих]Все таки, этот "байкартар" стоит своих денег. Конечно, это чисто мое личное мнение, но сутки висеть и выжидать именно нужную цель...
    Soon the Turks will lift a heavy UAV with a powerful bomb load on the wing, then it will become even darker on the battlefield. I agree the bayraktars showed that they are worth their money, but the Shell is not particularly to say the least And if there is activation in the Donbass, then bayraktars can bring troubles to the DNI LPR Army
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 20 May 2020 18: 29 New
      +5
      6. 6. Incidentally, a set of 200 flyers, a control complex and 69 TSA costs 10 million evergreens. One Bayraktar more than XNUMX lamas comes out.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 20 May 2020 18: 38 New
        -13
        А стоимость "панциря"? Не говоря уже о жизни человеческой?
        By the way, I found it!
        13-15 million dollars in the export version!
        We also add trained operators ...
        Bayraktar is cheaper, safer and with proper use, no less effective.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 20 May 2020 19: 40 New
          +6
          Here the cost of an offensive or defensive operation is still important ...

          This is not a direct confrontation between TV2 / Anka / other UAVs against the Shell / other air defense systems.

          The task of air defense is not to survive, but to protect objects, troops, and the defended area.
          The UAV’s task is not to make beautiful videos with the Shell or other air defense, but to ensure that the ground operation is completed.

          In local conditions, when l / s likes to give up positions in case of any complications. Impact UAVs are extremely effective and ensure success. Actually, now the PNS has already reached Tarkhun for the second time, the LNA doesn’t really want to fight for the city this time. If Tarhuna falls, then everyone who did not have time to run away from Tripoli will soon get to different vidos, or maybe they will arrange a parade with them in Tripoli to raise their spirits.

          As you can see, the Turks combine power well. They grouped local + tourists from Syria - they gave them percussion instruments + support for SPN and UAVs. Which ensures success.

          The UAE and the Haftar sponsors could not oppose this. Despite the buildup of forces in early spring (when the western claw that had engulfed Tripoli was cut off at Haftar).
        2. D16
          D16 20 May 2020 20: 08 New
          +7
          Bayraktar is cheaper, safer and with proper use, no less effective.

          With proper use of the Shell, Bayraktar is not a tenant at all.
      2. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 20 May 2020 19: 42 New
        -5
        "Один Байрактар более 10 лямов выходит" Это на экспорт.Для своих ВС в 2-3 раза дешевле.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 20 May 2020 20: 22 New
          +5
          Link will be? I’m looking at Ripper - 17 million raccoons. The thing is extremely cheap, and the UAV is not much cheaper than a manned aircraft with comparable avionics and engines
      3. reservist
        reservist 21 May 2020 13: 23 New
        0
        АСП и БПЛА это по сути "расходники", которые по ходу применения наверняка придётся докупать ...
        в итоге нужно учитывать "совокупную стоимость владения" комплексом, так что ценник в расчёте на один БПЛА может и поменяться ... даже не готов предсказать, в какую сторону ...
  9. Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 20 May 2020 18: 19 New
    -4
    On the site of the LNA, one needs to ask the Torah from his friends
  10. Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 20 May 2020 18: 21 New
    -5
    And how many years our MO has been chewing with shock UAVs? Although yes, if they can’t even normally modernize the T-72, this is about the T-72B3
  11. domovoy doma_2
    domovoy doma_2 20 May 2020 18: 22 New
    +2
    Any air defense system can be destroyed, the main tactic and strategy.
  12. Alexander Seklitsky
    Alexander Seklitsky 20 May 2020 18: 22 New
    16
    Quote: Kronos
    It is interesting to have at least some modern Russian weapons that have shown effectiveness?

    And what if at least one plane was destroyed at Hmeimim airbase? And the attacks were not enough.
    1. agond
      agond 20 May 2020 18: 41 New
      -1
      Shell-C1 is too large a complex, much higher than the bus, it is impossible to hide it and you won’t mix it up, it’s time to think how to reduce it otherwise losses in the future cannot be avoided, it would be more correct to divide its equipment and weapons into two smaller vehicles
      1. Alexander Seklitsky
        Alexander Seklitsky 20 May 2020 18: 54 New
        13
        The carapace is a complex of object air defense, not military. There are other types to cover the troops on the march. Yes and they do not work alone, but only as part of a layered defense. They would have kicked another beech from the beech into the desert.
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 20 May 2020 18: 42 New
      -20
      They are attacked by simple artisanal drones
    3. BREAKTHROUGH READY
      BREAKTHROUGH READY 20 May 2020 18: 47 New
      -4
      At least one attack was with the use of modern factory ammunition, or are you trying to equate artisan crafts from g_vna and sticks with modern types of weapons?
    4. no one
      no one 20 May 2020 19: 08 New
      +1
      Hmeiyim attacked the Barmalei with artisanal drones
  13. senima56
    senima56 20 May 2020 18: 29 New
    -8
    Вот вам "антиреклама" нашим средствам ПВО! Арабы, сирийцы, ливийцы.... да какая разница если наши "Панцири " "раскалывают"?!!! fool It's a shame.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 20 May 2020 18: 44 New
      +6
      Arabs are capable people, they are able to do anti-advertising to any mega-device. Patriot, they, too, are good anti-advertisements constantly .... Just chew it all
  14. alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 20 May 2020 18: 31 New
    -4
    An UAV is a consumable of war as ammunition for AKMs. And the price will soon be the same. And the shells will not solve the problem. What to do with a swarm of drones at the price of a mobolnik?
    1. Disant
      Disant 21 May 2020 15: 48 New
      0
      What to do with a swarm of drones at the price of a mobnik?

      pulse electromagnetic fucking, so that to hell burned. Satchel and the like.
  15. BREAKTHROUGH READY
    BREAKTHROUGH READY 20 May 2020 18: 35 New
    -7
    Это подтвержденная потеря уже пятого "панциря" за последние 3 суток, видимо, дела у Хафтара совсем плохо. Нужно как то исправлять ситуацию, лишь бы турки не укрепились еще и в Ливии.
    1. poquello
      poquello 21 May 2020 00: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: BREAKTHROUGH READY
      Это подтвержденная потеря уже пятого "панциря" за последние 3 суток, видимо, дела у Хафтара совсем плохо. Нужно как то исправлять ситуацию, лишь бы турки не укрепились еще и в Ливии.

      especially for specialists having problems with television and the Internet, the Havtor escaped from a tactical cauldron and globally didn’t care for him with shells, which, by the way, managed to beat the Turkish flyers, they did their job
  16. Colonel
    Colonel 20 May 2020 18: 39 New
    +5
    Topwar, you have more joy than a Turkish blogger.
  17. Camrad
    Camrad 20 May 2020 18: 41 New
    +5
    Ошибка не расчета, а командования, поодиночке использовать "черепашек" нельзя.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 20 May 2020 18: 45 New
      +2
      Haftar’s organization is of course incomparable!
  18. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 20 May 2020 18: 43 New
    +1
    and what prevents the daddy from installing the upper hemisphere radar module ... the war is not the first year, a bunch of videos where UAVs are constantly hanging right above the top of the target and they, these very objects, can’t see from your word ... Add this to the topic Is shelling expensive or is it technically difficult? A multi-band optical head would be just right for that. He is blind-blind, this carapace, of the Arabian bottling of the UAE. In the video, he is definitely in a fighting position.
    1. poquello
      poquello 21 May 2020 00: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: viktor_ui
      which prevents the installation of the upper hemisphere radar module on the daddy.

      second shell interferes
      1. viktor_ui
        viktor_ui 21 May 2020 04: 46 New
        0
        kidding, an additional module for viewing the upper hemisphere = the whole shell ??? ... although if you put the second shell on the popA and still weld wassat Laughter, laughter, but do we have any of the samples in the mobile version that sees in the upper hemisphere 180 degrees, or will it come down and let the crews continue to burn?
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 21 May 2020 08: 48 New
          0
          kidding, the optional top hemisphere review module

          Optional review module? only? and additional radar guidance is not necessary?
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 21 May 2020 10: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: viktor_ui
          Laughter, laughter, but do we have any of the samples in the mobile version that sees in the upper hemisphere 180 degrees, or will it come down and let the crews continue to burn?

          Crews burn not because of the lack of visibility of the external hemisphere, but because of the lack of an air defense system. If the UAV was able to enter the dead zone, then no radar will help.
          В нормальной системе ПВО мёртвые зоны комплексов прикрываются соседями, а противник обнаруживается ещё на подходе, а не когда он уже над головой, в "воронке" над ЗРПК. А один ЗРПК - это как одинокий танк без прикрытия, сколько его не обвешивай разными девайсами - всё равно подобьют.
          1. viktor_ui
            viktor_ui 21 May 2020 14: 30 New
            0
            and besides the radar there are other ways to control the upper hemisphere? Or ONLY a radio channel? Maybe the shell base is no longer responding to the challenges of the times?
        3. poquello
          poquello 21 May 2020 14: 28 New
          0
          Quote: viktor_ui
          kidding, an additional module for viewing the upper hemisphere = the whole shell ??? ... although if you put the second shell on the popA and still weld wassat Laughter, laughter, but do we have any of the samples in the mobile version that sees in the upper hemisphere 180 degrees, or will it come down and let the crews continue to burn?

          Yes, the geometry is simple, with increasing distance, the sharpness of the angle decreases, they overlap the blind spots and all the problems
          1. viktor_ui
            viktor_ui 21 May 2020 14: 37 New
            0
            And besides the ECHO radio channel, what can be used in the detection and tracking system in the upper hemisphere ??? WHAT ELSE IS ALTERNATIVE IRON? Can the optics of certain wave ranges select medium-level drone objects? Technical vision is not only a radar ...
            1. poquello
              poquello 21 May 2020 14: 56 New
              0
              Quote: viktor_ui
              And besides the ECHO radio channel, what can be used in the detection and tracking system in the upper hemisphere ??? WHAT ELSE IS ALTERNATIVE IRON?

              nifiga didn’t understand what, the carapace can work without optics or on the network from a neighbor, but I'm talking about the fact that two carapace cover each other’s top, unless of course they’re near
              1. viktor_ui
                viktor_ui 21 May 2020 16: 12 New
                0
                A good answer, let's continue ... the radar channel and the optical one are rigidly coupled or the thermal imager can have a wider viewing angle than the vertical radar and is it able to work independently from the radar channel ... which prevents the optical and thermal imaging channels from working in the upper hemisphere including ? 5 km for modern optics, both in height and in length, the identification and identification of targets is a rather primitive task.
                1. poquello
                  poquello 21 May 2020 16: 16 New
                  0
                  Quote: viktor_ui
                  What prevents the optical and thermal imaging channels from working in the upper hemisphere as well? 5 km for modern optics, both in height and in length, the identification and identification of targets is a rather primitive task.

                  ) I don’t know, the spade has no wheels, but you can roll it to the garden
                  1. viktor_ui
                    viktor_ui 21 May 2020 16: 25 New
                    0
                    это не ответ, просто я в месте с вами пытаюсь понять что мешает перекрыть слепую верхнюю зону у панциря в плане банального обнаружения и наведения имеющихся ракет в зенит имеющимися уже в распоряжении техническими средствами у панциря... его нужно дорабатывать в плане эргономики размещения имеющихся на платформе приблуд ? Уже сколько десятков лет поражают "железо" в верхнюю проекцию ? Сколько ещё должно сгореть экипажей, что-бы МО озаботилось этим вопросом и конструкторы решили бы проблему слепых зон. Лопату можно и волоком волочь .
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 21 May 2020 16: 29 New
                      0
                      Quote: viktor_ui
                      это не ответ, просто я в месте с вами пытаюсь понять что мешает перекрыть слепую верхнюю зону у панциря в плане банального обнаружения и наведения имеющихся ракет в зенит имеющимися уже в распоряжении техническими средствами у панциря... его нужно дорабатывать в плане эргономики размещения имеющихся на платформе приблуд ? Уже сколько десятков лет поражают "железо" в верхнюю проекцию ? Сколько ещё должно сгореть экипажей, что-бы МО озаботилось этим вопросом и конструкторы решили бы проблему слепых зон.

                      firstly, is there a vulnerability of the upper projection I was not interested in, secondly, if there is, two shells mutually cover it, so what about the shovel?
                      1. viktor_ui
                        viktor_ui 21 May 2020 16: 35 New
                        0
                        it is useful to dig in both shovels if they are unable to control the upper projection ... it seems that there is insufficient viewing angle and the sensitivity of the survey systems, including resistance to electronic warfare and UAVs, this has repeatedly proved in practice as a logical result.
                      2. poquello
                        poquello 21 May 2020 16: 45 New
                        0
                        Quote: viktor_ui
                        it seems that there is an insufficient viewing angle and the sensitivity of the survey systems, including resistance to electronic warfare and UAVs, this has more than once been proved in practice as a logical result.

                        well this .. who looks like, who doesn't like
  • audigamma
    audigamma 20 May 2020 18: 45 New
    10
    This video shows the destruction of one shell and one destroyed. The first complex only took a position (the radar antenna did not even make half a turn), the second judging by the folded launch missiles was certainly not in a combat position. So talking about not the effectiveness of the Shell, in this case, is at least stupid.
    1. poquello
      poquello 21 May 2020 00: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: audigamma
      This video shows the destruction of one shell and one destroyed. The first complex only took a position (the radar antenna did not even make half a turn), the second judging by the folded launch missiles was certainly not in a combat position. So talking about not the effectiveness of the Shell, in this case, is at least stupid.

      it’s stupid to talk about it, the working anti-aircraft gun, the Indians had a bad T90 because it broke on the biathlon, it’s unlimited stupidity
  • vladcub
    vladcub 20 May 2020 18: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Quote: Zeev Zeev
    even if the calculations are taught by the Russian military ...

    Поставленный из СА "Панцирь"? А учили русские? А как это?

    Вообще-то в тексте сказано:" поставлен из ОАЭ"
  • Alexander Seklitsky
    Alexander Seklitsky 20 May 2020 18: 49 New
    +3
    Quote: Kronos
    They are attacked by simple artisanal drones

    Note with a lower EPR than this rattle. It's just silly to compare the operation of a single complex and a layered air defense system. Any most advanced weapon can be destroyed if it is used alone outside the system and tactics.
    1. qobnvmog
      qobnvmog 20 May 2020 19: 18 New
      -6
      Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
      with a lower epr than this rattle

      No. They fly slowly. They need to fly straight to the target for ramming or dropping homemade mines.

      A shock UAV Bayraktar flies at altitudes of 3-8 km. And he launches from that height supersonic homing or guided missiles with an even smaller EPF. How the Shell resists these missiles is just shown in the clip.
      1. D16
        D16 20 May 2020 19: 50 New
        +7
        The shell of these missiles is just shown in the clip.

        In the video, he confronts a planning bomb. And no other ammunition on the downed Bayraktara has not yet shone. Given its speed, this bomb will not fly far. Therefore, you have to hang over the target.
        They fly slowly.

        The slower it flies, the harder it is to detect the Doppler Effect however laughing . They themselves are much smaller. Accordingly, less EPR.
        1. qobnvmog
          qobnvmog 20 May 2020 20: 02 New
          -6
          Quote: D16
          In the video, he confronts a planning bomb. And no other ammunition on the downed Bayraktara has not yet shone.


          The ammunition video in the article is not visible.

          In this video, the ammunition is also not visible.

          So their speed is much higher than the speed of the camera. If the planning bomb flies at supersonic speed, then from my point of view it does not represent a difference with a missile in this regard. If planning bombs cannot reach such speeds, then I consider these videos evidence of the use of supersonic missiles.

          Quote: D16
          The slower it flies, the harder it is to detect the Doppler Effect however laughing . They themselves are much smaller. Accordingly, less EPR.
          I won’t comment on this.
          1. D16
            D16 20 May 2020 23: 37 New
            +2
            The ammunition video in the article is not visible.

            Do you see a trace from the booster engine? lol
            If planning bombs cannot reach such speeds, then I consider these videos evidence of the use of supersonic missiles.

            You can count anything, but a twenty-kilogram bomb, even in free fall, will not accelerate like that.
            1. qobnvmog
              qobnvmog 21 May 2020 03: 05 New
              -4
              Quote: D16
              Do you see a trace from the booster engine? lol
              It was ridiculous, salty, especially funny sitting in these Carapace; they certainly didn’t have time to see anything.
              The second video shows how the moving Carapace was hit by something faster than the speed of the camera and she could only see the explosion.
              Then they destroyed the stationary target under the roof, and there the camera perfectly recorded the approach of the planning ammunition.
              So the speeds in the first and second cases were so incomparable that the camera could not detect the first, and the second could. From which the conclusion is that they used different types of ammunition.

              Quote: D16
              You can count anything, but a twenty-kilogram bomb, even in free fall, will not accelerate like that.
              Which confirms my conclusion that it was not a bomb that was used, but a supersonic missile. This is just an argument in my favor.
              1. D16
                D16 21 May 2020 07: 37 New
                +3
                It was ridiculous, salty, especially funny sitting in these Carapace; they certainly didn’t have time to see anything.

                Nobody put them in a car forcibly. Surely received a handsome salary. If you fell out of stupidity, then you yourself are evil Pinocchio.
                Then they destroyed the stationary target under the roof, and there the camera perfectly recorded the approach of the planning ammunition.

                This really seems to be true.
                The second video shows how the moving Carapace was hit by something faster than the speed of the camera and she could only see the explosion.

                This something fast should be an analogue of the supersonic ATGM Attack, Sturm or Hellfire. We look at their weight and see 49-50 kg. The load capacity of Bayraktar is only 55kg. He carries two MAM-Ls of 22.5 kg each. That is, the two declared ammunition, he physically can not take away. Or the Turks have their own, alternative physics laughing .
                Which confirms my conclusion that it was not a bomb that was used, but a supersonic missile. This is just an argument in my favor.

                This confirms the conclusion that this is a victory for the Turkish information forces. Any, even hypersonic missile leaves a trail behind a working engine and it is impossible to remove it with a camera at such a distance.
                1. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 21 May 2020 12: 16 New
                  -2
                  It is said that the Turks recently brought to Libya UAV Anka-S with a carrying capacity of 200 kg. It is likely that there was Anka
                  1. D16
                    D16 21 May 2020 12: 39 New
                    0
                    Anka has 4 MAM-C or L ammunition. There are no supersonic guns there. Do not invent. By the way, for moving targets, only version L with PALGSN can be used.
                    1. Oquzyurd
                      Oquzyurd 21 May 2020 12: 48 New
                      -2
                      Они каждый "день" несут,способны нести(тоже говорилась в интервью) изменения на характеристику,по вооружению БПЛА. То что вы говорите,да,это все знают.Но,они могут,или уже сделали изменения в вооружении,так как сами производят,не закупают,и не надо ждать разрешения зарубежного поставщика.
                      1. D16
                        D16 21 May 2020 15: 19 New
                        0
                        Name sister, name (s) ATGM laughing
                2. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 21 May 2020 12: 20 New
                  -2
                  "Грузоподъемность Байрактара всего 55кг." Так пишут,но,построивший Байрактар ТВ2,Селджук Байрактар в интервью говорил,что реально могут взять вес до 75 кг.
                  1. D16
                    D16 21 May 2020 12: 44 New
                    0
                    And if you do not take fuel, then you can more laughing . Case for small. It remains to develop and adapt the supersonic Turkish ATGM. And do not forget to make the jet stream invisible.
                    1. Oquzyurd
                      Oquzyurd 21 May 2020 12: 52 New
                      -2
                      It is quite possible, since they fly 24 hours with a full tank. Distances and tasks allow you to take fuel, for example, for 6-10 hours ... and more
                3. qobnvmog
                  qobnvmog 21 May 2020 14: 01 New
                  -1
                  Quote: D16
                  That is, the two declared ammunition, he physically can not take away. Or the Turks have their own, alternative physics laughing .
                  I never wrote that there was one UAV. Moreover, the shooting could be from one that did not shoot at all (which often happens). There could be 10 of them, this is their advantage, they can be sent more than airplanes.
                  So one was with missiles, the other was with bombs. The fact is that the camera doesn’t have time to see some ammunition, while others have time.

                  Quote: D16
                  Any, even hypersonic missile leaves a trail behind a working engine and it is impossible to remove it with a camera at such a distance.
                  It is immediately clear that the person did not see the launch of the rocket. At maximum distances, the missiles accelerate using up fuel, and then fly planning.
                  1. D16
                    D16 21 May 2020 15: 16 New
                    0
                    At maximum distances, the missiles accelerate using up fuel, and then fly planning

                    Excuse me, where did you see the maximum distance there? At this pepelats when working with laser-guided munitions, it has a maximum of 3-3,5 km in fine weather. This is due to the energy capabilities of UAVs of this class. This is not a laser pointer to shine. So the smoky trail would have to get into the frame. And finally, name the Turkish counterpart to Hellfire or Whirlwind. Enough already pull the owl on the globe. Already several Anoks with empty tanks swarm over a lonely Carapace laughing . Fake is likely. It is not necessary to produce entities and invent nonsense. Why shoot from one UAV and shoot from another? Show at least one video where there are signs of using ATGMs from Turkish UAVs.
                    Py.sy. A supersonic ATGM is not only a missile, but also thirty to fifty kilograms of appropriate equipment on board.
                    1. qobnvmog
                      qobnvmog 21 May 2020 15: 34 New
                      -2
                      Quote: D16
                      Excuse me, where did you see the maximum distance there?

                      Where I didn’t see a trace or ammunition, but I saw an explosion.
                      The rest is lyrics.
                      1. D16
                        D16 21 May 2020 15: 43 New
                        +1
                        laughing Where there is no trace, no ammunition, but there is an explosion, most likely photoshop. It’s just that you really want, by virtue of stubbornness, to be so in reality. So you pull the owl on the globe of Turkey laughing .
                      2. qobnvmog
                        qobnvmog 21 May 2020 15: 44 New
                        -2
                        Quote: D16
                        Where there is no trace, no ammunition, but there is an explosion, most likely photoshop.
                        I won’t comment on this. Lyrics.
                      3. D16
                        D16 21 May 2020 19: 07 New
                        +1
                        So do not comment on the lyrics, finally tear off the covers. Photos, videos, titles, links, not idle fiction in the studio! laughing
                    2. Cyril G ...
                      Cyril G ... 21 May 2020 20: 02 New
                      +1
                      Турки режиссера сменили и начали "побеждать"...
  • poquello
    poquello 21 May 2020 01: 05 New
    +4
    Quote: qobnvmog
    A shock UAV Bayraktar flies at altitudes of 3-8 km. And he launches from that height supersonic homing or guided missiles with an even smaller EPF. How the Shell resists these missiles is just shown in the clip.

    and sho? this shell for a snack, only in organized air defense, the fact that the Turks have to organize the destruction of the shell already speaks of the need to reckon with it
    1. qobnvmog
      qobnvmog 21 May 2020 03: 18 New
      -2
      Quote: poquello
      the fact that the Turks have to organize the destruction of the shell already says
      that not only air defense can be organized, but also strike aircraft, and the destruction of the shell already speaks of the need to reckon with this aircraft.
      1. poquello
        poquello 21 May 2020 14: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: qobnvmog
        Quote: poquello
        the fact that the Turks have to organize the destruction of the shell already says
        that not only air defense can be organized, but also strike aircraft, and the destruction of the shell already speaks of the need to reckon with this aircraft.

        namely, reasoning about nothing, but obviously not the situation when missiles just fly past patriots
        1. qobnvmog
          qobnvmog 21 May 2020 15: 38 New
          -4
          Quote: poquello
          obviously not the situation when rockets just fly past the patriots

          I agree, obviously not the one.
          In that, official Americans immediately honestly declared that the Patriot could not bring down such a thing.
          In this paid patriots to the last with a foam at the mouth repeat about having no analogues Shell and stupid Arabs.
          1. poquello
            poquello 21 May 2020 16: 10 New
            0
            the carapace knows how to knock and knock them down, do not carry nonsense
          2. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 21 May 2020 20: 08 New
            0
            You are sorry, but when the videos show the eee life activity of amoebae on a microscope slide, glued scraps, their turbidity is such that even where there is a maximum increase, the probability of correct identification is lower than the baseboard, and this nonsense is supposed to be believed? ..... When Hel Khavir hit two Syrian armor of issues there was a minimum
            1. qobnvmog
              qobnvmog 21 May 2020 23: 19 New
              -1
              Quote: Cyril G ...
              When Hel Khavir hit two Syrian issues armor there was a minimum

              Yeah. I remember those minimums of questions for hundreds of posts per day.
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 21 May 2020 23: 34 New
                0
                Taki much less than in Turkish design delights
  • Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 20 May 2020 18: 51 New
    -7
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    А стоимость "панциря"? Не говоря уже о жизни человеческой?
    By the way, I found it!
    13-15 million dollars in the export version!
    We also add trained operators ...
    Bayraktar is cheaper, safer and with proper use, no less effective.

    And what kind of advertising is more precisely anti advertising to the Shell that covers C -400 for a moment
    1. D16
      D16 20 May 2020 19: 57 New
      +6
      And what kind of advertisement is more accurate than anti-advertisement for the Shell

      People who understand the issue, regardless of nationality, are not targeted at such videos. They are well aware that in Khimki the shells are not acting alone, but as part of an air defense system. There similar situations are impossible in principle.
  • V.I.P.
    V.I.P. 20 May 2020 18: 54 New
    +1
    Интересно, а "Тунгуска" в такой ситуации более живуча? Хоть и старая ,но войсковая ПВО, а не объектовая..
    1. qobnvmog
      qobnvmog 20 May 2020 19: 02 New
      -6
      Quote: V.I.P.
      а "Тунгуска" в такой ситуации более живуча?

      Only if it shoots homing shells to a height of 3 to 8 km.
      1. D16
        D16 20 May 2020 20: 03 New
        +4
        Only if it shoots homing shells to a height of 3 to 8 km.

        Not properly. Only if there is another Tunguska five kilometers from it. At least it can shoot a bomb.
  • Sarkazm
    Sarkazm 20 May 2020 18: 54 New
    +9
    The destruction of each new model of Russian weapons gives rise to a storm - and why?
    The Saudis have lost modern American weapons and not only production in battles with the Hussites shod in slippers on their bare feet, and? Index?
    The Vietnamese gave a light to the American Air Force in their skies on the MiGs, on the same MiGs the Arabs and not only, the crews were different, flew clean to the Jews, and? Index?

    But there is a fact, the role of UAVs is growing, are there UAVs in service with us? - NO. And they already exist even yesterday in service with even the smallest CIS countries.
    As usual, everyone remembers Ukraine, without which no one can live directly - she bought the same Bayraktar UAVs and can very well use them, including as we see for the destruction of air defense systems in the East, untied the hands of its aviation, etc., etc. .P.
    1. V.I.P.
      V.I.P. 20 May 2020 19: 10 New
      -4
      Так это ещё никто барражирующими ударными боеприпасами не обстреливал "Панцири". Думаю против них он ещё хуже работает... У турок, например, есть свой барражирующий ударник ALPAGU BLOK II . Правда пока ни в Сирии, ни в Ливии о их применении не писали.
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 20 May 2020 19: 51 New
        -2
        ALPAGU BLOK II. Have passed all the tests. It is said that the large Akıncı will wear them under his belly for special tasks.
        1. V.I.P.
          V.I.P. 20 May 2020 20: 09 New
          -1
          So they themselves can fly. Duration 10-20 minutes. Range 5-10 km.
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 20 May 2020 20: 13 New
            -1
            This is so, but Akıncı will deliver them over long distances, and launch them on purpose.
  • donavi49
    donavi49 20 May 2020 19: 11 New
    +2
    The second video is forgotten. There is generally shine. 2 Shell with working radar - UAV removes them brazenly. Reveal ammunition depot. They undermine some equipment (it is possible that this is the Shell) at full speed. They throw it into the warehouse and undermine it too.


    In general, the battle for the sky is lost and the local l / s will not fight under such conditions, but will run to the Egyptian border.
    1. Alexander Galaktionov
      Alexander Galaktionov 20 May 2020 19: 17 New
      -5
      With a working radar, they will tell you that the missiles have ended, and in general, with a bayraktara missile range of 8 km, it’s an air defense star
    2. Alexander Galaktionov
      Alexander Galaktionov 20 May 2020 19: 21 New
      -5
      I wonder what kind of EPR in Bayraktar? Radar 1RS2-E "Helmet". The base of the station is a dual-band radar (cm + mm), which ensures the operation of air defense systems (including in motion) for a wide class of targets - aircraft, helicopters (including those in the “hover” mode), remotely piloted aircraft (UAVs) , precision weapons, mobile ground targets [32]. The millimeter range locator provides detection and destruction of targets with an ESR of 0,1 m² at a distance of 20 km The missile provides destruction of targets with an ESR of 0,1-0,3 square meters. meters at a distance of 20 km and effective destruction of all types of promising means of air attack, primarily high-precision weapons with flight speeds of up to 1000 m / s and a minimum effective reflective surface (EOP) of 0,03 - 0,06 m², with a probability of at least 0,7 XNUMX single rocket request what
    3. Alexander Galaktionov
      Alexander Galaktionov 20 May 2020 19: 26 New
      -2
      donavi49 How can you show this to an unparalleled Armor in the world) the same complex covers C 400) Also unparalleled in the World although the Turks bought it, but it turns out the Turks are such a super ally) that they sold the C 400 complex, although it’s exported to yourself
    4. Break through
      Break through 20 May 2020 19: 56 New
      -2
      The first Shell is lined on the march. The second in the hangar. Both shells are not in working position.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 20 May 2020 19: 57 New
        +3
        Well, at the beginning of the video, 2 shells - twist with radars. UAV calmly removes them. Modules do not turn in his direction wink .
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 20 May 2020 20: 17 New
          -3
          Amazing arrogance from the UAV. How can you explain why they don’t respond to it?
        2. Break through
          Break through 20 May 2020 20: 30 New
          -3
          Not the fact that they are deployed. They were knocked out one during the ride, the second in the hangar.
    5. huntsman650
      huntsman650 20 May 2020 21: 27 New
      +2
      Так близко оба не могут одновременно на " высоком" работать. Взаимными помехами "засветят" друг друга, частоты близкие. ИХМО.
    6. poquello
      poquello 21 May 2020 01: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: donavi49
      The second video is forgotten. There is generally shine. 2 Carapace with working radars - UAV takes them brazenly. Reveal ammunition depot. They undermine some equipment (it is possible that this is the Shell) at full speed. They throw it into the warehouse and undermine it too.

      I envy your eyesight))))))))))))), in addition to breaking off a piece of shooting with two shells, I could not see further))))))))))))))))))))))))) )))))))), by the way, are close
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 21 May 2020 08: 04 New
        +1
        Well, they turn the radar - this is even visible with poor eyesight. In this case, the modules are in place, do not turn towards the UAV. The UAV did not climb directly on them, but also removed them calmly.

        Close set - well, the white people’s instruction worked, not to include one at a time. About the fact that they do not need to be included in each other, they forgot to say.

        By the way, another claim, this time again progress, the carapace beneath the net was driving under its own power.
        https://www.facebook.com/Sabkmark/videos/676858583150970/?t=2
        1. poquello
          poquello 21 May 2020 14: 25 New
          0
          Quote: donavi49
          Well, they turn the radar - this is even visible with poor eyesight. In this case, the modules are in place, do not turn towards the UAV. The UAV did not climb directly on them, but also removed them calmly.

          correctly and then the picture is cut off, and could be removed from a small copter which is not able to pick up a grenade
  • Gost2012
    Gost2012 20 May 2020 19: 12 New
    +3
    Turkish blogger destroyed the shell. Maybe two laughing
    But it can’t be that this movie is bullshit?
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 20 May 2020 19: 22 New
      +1
      Obviously some kind of strange slicing
    2. Alexander Galaktionov
      Alexander Galaktionov 20 May 2020 19: 29 New
      -3
      As the saying goes, what military equipment is capable of shows the combat experience of its use and not cheers Star films about unparalleled
      1. Break through
        Break through 20 May 2020 20: 33 New
        -3
        Agree with you. Dozens of padded Turkish Drones with Shells are a great result. About 40 percussionists they landed.
        1. Alexander Galaktionov
          Alexander Galaktionov 20 May 2020 20: 35 New
          -6
          Here you need to be objective in the photo and video how many UAVs and how many Shells
        2. Alexander Galaktionov
          Alexander Galaktionov 20 May 2020 20: 41 New
          -5
          Immediately, the question is, let’s say the carapace removes the bayraktar, but the range of its missiles is 8 km, that is, not to shoot it down even at 10 -15 km, I’ll say to myself the air defense complex taking into account that it covers C 400
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 20 May 2020 22: 11 New
            0
            In a duel situation, the question is the range and performance of detection systems ....
  • GMM
    GMM 20 May 2020 19: 18 New
    +1
    The phrase that the ZRPK was destroyed by an UAV sounds something like:
    - direct bomb hit a bomb shelter ...
  • Camrad
    Camrad 20 May 2020 19: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: donavi49
    2 Shell with working radar

    Ситуация-фантастическая. Это всё не имеет отношения к "честной" войне, это какие-то мутняки-договорняки с кидаловом, или безнадежная экономия по боеприпасам или неисправность техники/расчета или просто фейк.
    1. qobnvmog
      qobnvmog 20 May 2020 19: 39 New
      -3
      Quote: Comrad
      Ситуация-фантастическая. Это всё не имеет отношения к "честной" войне, это какие-то мутняки-договорняки с кидаловом, или безнадежная экономия по боеприпасам или неисправность техники/расчета или просто фейк.

      Everything is easier. Written similar to symptoms of cognitive dissonance.
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Когнитивный_диссонанс

      Denial arises when persistent confidence in something (often characteristic of patriotic personalities) contradicts visual evidence.
  • Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 20 May 2020 20: 17 New
    -5
    donavi49 After the LDNR’s statement about putting the troops on high alert, the RQ-4 Global Hawk made a reconnaissance flight over the line of withdrawal of forces in the Donbas.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 20 May 2020 20: 25 New
    +2
    Another confirmation that the lack of professionalism of the technical characteristics of weapons cannot be made up for. Well, not for the Basmachi system and not for Mordovorot.
  • Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 20 May 2020 20: 32 New
    -4
    https://forumfiles.ru/uploads/000a/e3/16/79/260824.jpg Кто скажет от куда этот Панцирь?
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 20 May 2020 22: 09 New
      +3
      In my opinion, the evacuation of a failed Syrian Armor ...
  • Kelwin
    Kelwin 20 May 2020 20: 57 New
    +4
    Анекдот помните - дайте дураку х стеклянный - или разобъет или потеряет... Мне непонятно, почему люди, распространяющие эти "новости" на территории РФ еще не изнасилованы на -7 этаже кеждиби..
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 20 May 2020 21: 29 New
    +1
    What Papuans do not sell, everything - through one place use.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 20 May 2020 21: 32 New
    0
    Вот такая вот "загогулина" .
    Gopoda and the ladies. Very vulnerable cars in fact.
    And we must work on this fact.
  • Camrad
    Camrad 20 May 2020 23: 27 New
    0
    Quote: qobnvmog
    Quote: Comrad
    Ситуация-фантастическая. Это всё не имеет отношения к "честной" войне, это какие-то мутняки-договорняки с кидаловом, или безнадежная экономия по боеприпасам или неисправность техники/расчета или просто фейк.

    Everything is easier. Written similar to symptoms of cognitive dissonance.
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Когнитивный_диссонанс

    Denial arises when persistent confidence in something (often characteristic of patriotic personalities) contradicts visual evidence.


    Wow, how much pathos. Wikipedia fans, of course, know better.
  • open
    open 21 May 2020 00: 20 New
    0
    Not only the ZRPK Shell was destroyed, but they also killed him economically.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 21 May 2020 06: 32 New
      0
      these are not Russian shells
      1. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 22 May 2020 11: 47 New
        0
        I did not consider the pictures, but most likely the emirate, of the first issues.
  • Sarkazm
    Sarkazm 21 May 2020 00: 26 New
    -5
    Quote: Break through
    Agree with you. Dozens of padded Turkish Drones with Shells are a great result. About 40 percussionists they landed.
    Shot down quite a lot, but there is one BUT, how much does one Bayraktar cost and how much does the ZRPK Shell cost?
    According to the news, 8 shells are allegedly destroyed in the last day, 2 are immediately taken away, they were destroyed at the airbase by artillery fire, one of them was simply littered with fragments of the shelters of the shelter in which it was located, 2 still destroyed UAVs, totaling only 4 in the last four days. Where 4 more came from is not clear. In addition, some equipment on the chassis of our BAZ was destroyed, supposedly it was the REB Krasukha, although it is unlikely that we ourselves do not have so many to give to Haftar.
    One Shell was loaded onto a trawl and rolled along Tripoli, it wasn’t set a goal, but only 4 counted different air defense missiles from the photo, you need to wait for regulars of resources like lost armor, there I think more carefully and compare the photos with the arrangement and see the real losses of the Shell.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 21 May 2020 06: 31 New
      -1
      what difference does it cost? these are not our shells
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 21 May 2020 15: 03 New
      0
      Bayraktar Khokhlam sold for 69 million dead raccoons. Control complex + 6 UAVs + 200 ASP + training personnel.

      Summary - 1 bayraktar - 10-11 mln.u., Pantsyr 25 mln.u.
  • Olegi1
    Olegi1 21 May 2020 02: 19 New
    +1
    Technique in the hands of a savage - a piece of iron.
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 21 May 2020 04: 07 New
    +1
    "сенсационная новость" - Русский "Панцирь" поразили !!! Панцирь то при чем !? -если эксплуатирует бездарность. У арабов ,ума хватает только на калаши.
  • u123uuu
    u123uuu 21 May 2020 04: 51 New
    +1
    Everyone shouted now I’ll say ... Alas, Haftar has no defense in defense or shock fist. The carapace is not a panacea, it works (and works exceptionally well) in conjunction. Haftar went all in, and he almost succeeded. Now he will have to build a defense, a strategy taking into account Turkish air and ground forces, he is not in the best option yet, but he has not lost his main forces.
  • KURT330
    KURT330 21 May 2020 08: 09 New
    -1
    Selcuk Bayraktar, the creator of Bayraktar TB2, announced the launch of serial production of the new AKINCI heavy drone, armed with SOM cruise missiles destined for the F-35. Practical ceiling of 14000 m, takes on board 1350 kg of weapons.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 21 May 2020 15: 04 New
      0
      It will cost as F-35
  • KURT330
    KURT330 21 May 2020 08: 11 New
    0
    Well, Russia got its money for these Shells and there’s nothing to worry about it ... Or maybe it didn’t get it and there’s nothing to worry about .. request
  • Alex russia
    Alex russia 21 May 2020 08: 22 New
    -2
    Факт один, нагнули нас турки в очередной раз, вернее наше оружие, отличная рекламная кампания со слоганом - "никто не умеет толком обращаться с русским оружием". И ещё, скоро наши туристы поедут, повезут в Турцию бабосики, в помощь на постройку очередных турецких военных пепелацов, которые дадут нам прикурить и в Сирии и в Ливии и ещё много где
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 21 May 2020 11: 44 New
      -1
      We recall the rocket attacks on Saudi Arabia, the fragments of allegedly shot down Yemeni missiles that had no military damage, the burning Abrams, Oshkoshi and so on, and we understand how it really happens.
  • olhon
    olhon 21 May 2020 09: 11 New
    0
    Well hit a little ..
  • +5
    +5 21 May 2020 10: 42 New
    +1
    I do not understand hype and disputes ... well, they seem to have destroyed the rider !!! (which is the object of air defense) Shell with missiles in the stowed position, it seems not a fake ... so what? Single Armor in the hands of the Arabs versus individual UAVs in the hands of the Turks ... moreover, these UAVs were shot down by 20 pieces, and the Shell is like 2, and their price is about the same. This does not apply to the effectiveness of either the Shell or Baiktar.
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly 21 May 2020 15: 31 New
    -3
    These strange shells, if they can’t protect themselves ....
  • Grigory grigoryevich
    Grigory grigoryevich 22 May 2020 06: 21 New
    -4
    Yes guys. Our equipment does not pass the battle test. Golemous PR, and as it comes to application, then everything is sad. It is impossible to make air defense systems without modern electronics. I think that’s all with our airplanes. Western technology will take everything to zero. Like the Israelis in Bekaa, the Americans in Yugoslavia, Iraq.
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      1. TatarinSSSR
        TatarinSSSR 22 May 2020 12: 16 New
        -1
        The problem is the management of Rosoboronexport. Selling one component of a whole echelon air defense is the very mistake. All Russian air defense systems are designed for layered defense, that is, in the depths of the long-range air defense missile systems (S-300, S-400, S-500), they are covered by exactly the same kind of Pantsir-S1 short-range anti-aircraft missile systems, then medium-range air defense missiles go, then already closer to the front are all these same army Armor, Torah, Tunguska, Wasps and others. All of them overlap their zones and operate together along the echelons. SAM S-300, S-350 medium - long-range interception will just complicate the task of the enemy, whether it be an airplane or an UAV, approach the distance of using their weapons along the Shell in the front-line zone, and will not allow him to be taken aback. And the same Shell and torus will produce drifted through those missiles and plan. bombs that broke through the military air defense to the S-300 and S-350 in the depths of the defense. Russia, for export, is selling a separate part - for example, the same Shell. He is not covered by anything. And besides, he works alone, not a division. It should be a technical malfunction, or disconnecting from active combat duty, reloading, refueling, changing positions - and that’s all, it is vulnerable.
        1. d4rkmesa
          d4rkmesa 22 May 2020 12: 59 New
          0
          Ну, С-300В4 туда отправить - дорого. Или даже "Бук". Вы не путайте, кстати, объектовую и ПВО сухопутных войск.
          1. TatarinSSSR
            TatarinSSSR 22 May 2020 15: 22 New
            -1
            and you read carefully and do not confuse what is written.
            1. d4rkmesa
              d4rkmesa 22 May 2020 15: 42 New
              0
              Погодите, т.е. вы всерьез хотите, чтобы подобные "туземные" режимы покупали С-400/С-500? Дабы "Панцирь" не был "не прикрыт ни чем"? Вы понимаете, что "Панцирь " - ЗРК самообороны, т.е. от подобных напастей ему надлежит как раз самостоятельно отбиваться? Только вот получается пока не очень.
              1. TatarinSSSR
                TatarinSSSR 22 May 2020 17: 41 New
                -1
                Independently fighting off alone, no one sight in the world can. In any case, he needs to be recharged sometime, change his position, repaired, serviced, refueled. He cannot be in active combat mode for days without shutting down. There must be at least three such complexes in the cover of the object, and not one. While one is working, two are ready. And here is one complex, during the march to the position, not covered by anyone
                . He doesn’t even have an antenna spinning, he was not active.
  • d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa 22 May 2020 11: 37 New
    -1
    Ну что ж, неплохой БПЛА зятек Эрдогана сконструировал. Кстати, интересно, у Хафтара уже обновленные "Панцири"? Вроде им ПО должны были обновить. Был контракт в прошлом году. Если все еще те же, то понятно, что для этих БПЛА комплекс совсем не соперник. Похоже, лучше перейти на бронированное шасси с КАЗ.
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 22 May 2020 12: 02 New
    0
    Визги кряк-патриотов о "подловили на марше", "экипаж тупой", "расчет не обучен", "БК не загружен", "и ваще это всё комп. графика!" уже были?