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A new generation weapon for separation. NGSW Program (USA)

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Requirements for NGSW products. US Army Graphics


Currently, the U.S. Army, in collaboration with several commercial organizations, is implementing the NGSW (Next Generation Squad Weapon, “Weapon a new generation for separation ”), the purpose of which is to replace existing automatic rifles and light machine guns. Regularly published new data on the progress of work and successes.

In spite of difficulties


On May 13, Task & Purpose published new data on the NGSW project. The information was revealed by Bridgette Siter, a representative of the Soldier Lethality Cross Functional Team, which is responsible for the development of advanced weapons. Despite the known epidemiological problems, the work continues on schedule and gives the necessary results.

At present, tests of experimental weapons are being carried out involving military personnel of combat units. B. Seater notes that in the NGSW project, “Soldier Centered Design” is of great importance, and therefore the feedback of the operator and the designers is of particular importance.

To date, 567 soldiers and officers of the ground forces and marine corps have familiarized themselves with the NGSW program samples. They accumulated a total of 7658 hours with this weapon. Experimental work is ongoing, and in the near future, these indicators will increase significantly.

Future operators


Plans have already been drawn up for the further introduction of promising weapons, both within the framework of military tests and after adoption and putting into operation. This was announced on May 14 by Military.com with reference to Colonel Joel Babbitt of the Special Operations Command.


Machine gun NGSW-R from Textron. Photo Vpk.name

Colonel Babbitt noted that his department enthusiastically follows the NGSW program and is waiting for the completion of work. US SOCOM wants to get new weapons as soon as they begin mass production and deliveries to the troops. The officer also noted the importance of fruitful cooperation between different organizations and established feedback.

Samples of the NGSW program have already shown themselves well and even influenced the plans of US SOCOM. Based on the results of testing these weapons, the Command decided to suspend its own development program for the 6,5-mm machine gun. Instead, it is planned to take a sample from the army program.

Through the SOCOM line, NGSW-type complexes can receive several units and formations related to the Special Operations Forces. These will be the 75th Ranger Regiment, the Green Berets and other special forces in need of modern and effective small arms. At the same time, the delivery dates to the listed structures have not yet been specified.

Plans for the future


According to already published data, the current stage of military testing of two types of weapons will continue until the summer of next 2021. The purpose of this phase of the program is to identify all the pros and cons of the designs presented. The army will spend the next few months analyzing the test results, after which the winner will be selected.


Machine gun from Textron. Photo Vpk.name

The winner of the NGSW will be officially selected and announced in the 1st quarter of 2022. Then they will spend about a year finalizing the selected sample, preparing the series, etc. Not later than the beginning of 2023, they will launch the production and supply of finished weapons to the troops. The production and re-equipment rates of specific combat units have not yet been specified.

The program is highly complex, and weapons developers have to spend a lot of time and energy to solve specific problems. According to various estimates, the process of fine-tuning weapons and ammunition can drag out, at least. until the middle of the decade.

Applicants for victory


Recall that the NGSW program started a few years ago, and five arms and ammunition companies initially joined it. Its goal is to create a fundamentally new rifle systems with increased firepower, corresponding to the current requirements of the army. It is required to develop a new ammunition with increased penetration power, as well as weapons for it, capable of replacing the M16 / M4 rifles and M249 machine guns.

The program includes the development of two options for new weapons. Product NGSW-R is positioned as a new automatic rifle. The niche of a light machine gun will be given to the NGSW-AR product. Two types of weapons should use a common cartridge and have a maximum degree of unification. In addition to increased firepower, weapons require the ability to install a flame arrester or a silent firing device, interchangeable shops, well-developed ergonomics, etc.

A new generation weapon for separation. NGSW Program (USA)

Cartridge from General Dynamics. Photo Modernfirearms.net

Five arms companies were involved in the program at an early stage. To date, the number of contestants has been reduced to two. The first project is being developed by several companies led by General Dynamics, the second is done by AAI Corporation / Textron Systems and Sig Sauer. Both consortiums offered their versions of ammunition and weapons for them.

To date, the appearance of the developed complexes and their main features have become known, while other details have not yet been published. The requirement to increase firepower has led to the need to develop reinforced cartridges, which affects the characteristics of weapons, and also requires the use of specific design solutions.

For example, in the complex from General Dynamics, the .277 TVCM cartridge from True Velocity, based on a plastic sleeve, is used. The RM277 NGSW-R assault rifle for this munition is made according to the bullpup scheme and is equipped with developed means of reducing recoil. In particular, a rollback buffer is assumed. Ammunition is provided by a box magazine for 20 rounds.

The machine from Textron and AAI has a traditional layout, but uses a telescopic cartridge. In this regard, the product has a sophisticated ammunition supply system with a movable chamber. In terms of ergonomics, the Textron NGSW-R differs little from modern rifles, but should show advantages in combat qualities.


Cartridge .227 TVCM from the complex from General Dynamics. Photo Modernfirearms.net

In parallel, the program is developing sighting equipment. L3 Harris Technology and Vortex Optics are focusing on this topic. In April, they received new contracts for the work, the result of which will be the appearance of developed sights specifically for new weapons.

Midway


Promising samples of pilot batches have already reached the field tests involving military personnel. Several hundred fighters spent thousands of hours at the training grounds and gained some experience. Next year, the command plans to choose a winner and launch subsequent work preceding the widespread introduction of new weapons. However, while the situation does not lead to excessive optimism.

NGSW projects use many unusual and fundamentally new solutions that need to be developed. Identification and correction of deficiencies can take a lot of time, and the refinement process will continue even after putting into service. In addition, some technical features of a negative nature cannot fundamentally be removed. This can be attributed to excessive noise during shooting, which persists even when using muzzle devices, a large mass of the structure and an increase in cost in comparison with other samples.

Nonetheless, those in charge and organizations generally appreciate the current program. Its current results suit the customer, although not without reservation. The work will continue, and they are likely to be brought to its logical end. However, at the moment, all the proposed projects remain "raw", and the rangers or "green berets" will have to hope that their refinement will be successful.
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  1. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 21 May 2020 05: 13 New
    +7
    I did not like the article with pictures without translation and the image of cartridges instead of a rifle.
    Raw publication (copy-paste).
  2. pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 21 May 2020 05: 40 New
    +1
    The number of targets "per running meter" has decreased significantly, and the "trench broom" will become a thing of the past.
  3. Catfish
    Catfish 21 May 2020 06: 35 New
    +5
    Admins, dear, maybe still replace the cartridge with a rifle? fellow
    1. sen
      sen 21 May 2020 08: 56 New
      +9
      Here in this form I found

      1. Catfish
        Catfish 21 May 2020 09: 12 New
        +4
        Thank you, colleague, the view is normal and, unlike the article, something can be understood. hi
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 21 May 2020 17: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: sen
        Here in this form I found

        And I'm in this:
  4. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 21 May 2020 06: 39 New
    +6
    It is enough to look at the characteristics of the cartridge to recognize the obvious - aiming automatic fire from the hands will be impossible. Muzzle energy more than .308! And here miracles are not expected ...
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 May 2020 06: 48 New
      +1
      No wonder they offer a buffer to reduce the impact of recoil
    2. Baron pardus
      Baron pardus 31 May 2020 08: 39 New
      0
      This whole project is nothing more than REFUSAL from assault rifles under an intermediate cartridge, which means a refusal to conduct automatic fire with the middle shooter, and a return to the so-called Battle Rifles - FAL, M14, G3. When I was in the army, automatic fire was rare, usually in very short bursts or single. But the intermediate cartridge was originally the wrong concept. Such a cartridge has not only a reduced range, beyond 500 meters it is difficult to see anyone. Another thing is that we have excellent equipment for NVD and optics and for us to make fire contact from 500 meters with a high chance of hitting the target, it will soon be the norm. So increasing the range is justified, but the intermediate cartridge of any caliber has another drawback. It has a low breakdown ability. What we faced when the stone walls of houses in Iraq, our M4 often simply did not pierce. And I had to either wait for the mortars or call the guys with the same M14, M240 or snipers. In addition, no one has canceled personal protective equipment, and they have already reached such a level that from 50m they protect against 5.56x45, 5.45x39 and 7.62x39. The cartridges that many had hopes for: 6.8SPTS, or 6.5 Grendel there, although more powerful than those that I indicated, but still can not be compared with 7.62x51. The new cartridge is more powerful, it has a ballistics of 270 Win Maga. Queues will not be easy to shoot, even with a muzzle brake and other recoil systems (which will complicate the design of weapons). However, such a cartridge, especially with a steel core, will not only pierce personal protective equipment, but also light earthy trees, or even brick-stone shelters. This is a return to the combination of M14 + M60 or G3 + Mg3 there. There is nothing new under the sun. Everything new is forgotten old. The department will have TWO-THREE machine guns, as it is now, and the rest will have rifles. Only machine guns will be more powerful than the M249. T
  5. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 21 May 2020 06: 54 New
    +1
    And I did not have an article to taste. This is not the first time this topic has been raised, but at least so much new.
  6. Undecim
    Undecim 21 May 2020 07: 23 New
    21
    Another article by this author is about nothing. Transfusion from empty to empty.
    All information contained in the article can be presented in one figure and one paragraph.

    Currently, trials of samples of weapons and ammunition presented by three firms are underway.
    The final choice is scheduled for 2021, the receipt of the first samples in service - 2022.
  7. SVD68
    SVD68 21 May 2020 07: 35 New
    +2
    The capabilities of small arms rest on the psychophysiological abilities of fighters. According to our experience in fighting in the Great Patriotic War, it was found that the distance of an effective battle for the majority begins with 400 meters. Hence the adoption of the Kalashnikov assault rifle. For those able to fight at a greater distance, the weapon is already under a rifle cartridge.
    The Americans, having no such gigantic experience, are constantly trying to rely on the range of their weapons. This situation is aggravated by the fact that they do not have a decent machine gun under a powerful cartridge. Therefore, they either clung to the M14 or tried to circumvent the psychophysiological limitations by including electronics in small arms. Here in this program they are trying to introduce artillery devices into small arms: a muzzle brake and a recoil device. To create, of course, they will create something, but this is unlikely to become a mass weapon.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 21 May 2020 09: 32 New
      +3
      It's not about experience. Imagine an American attack, a regiment, through a bare field, on enemy trenches? So I can not imagine). US military action is marches through the desert, abandoned by bombing, long-range and missiles. And they need such weapons to shoot at an enemy who cannot answer. The cult of the American sniper bail)
      1. Octopus
        Octopus 21 May 2020 12: 24 New
        +5
        Quote: Mikhail3
        And they need such weapons to shoot at an enemy who cannot answer.

        Naturally, one should shoot at an adversary who cannot answer, preferably does not know at all that they are shooting at him. This is a very reasonable idea.

        But for Americans, the situation is exactly the opposite of what you described. Their army suffers losses from guerrilla warfare. This is the vast majority of their losses. Accordingly, they fall into situations when a normal machine gun works against them. To shoot with the M4 with a machine gunner is a pretty bad idea. This is in any case a bad idea, but especially with the M4.
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 21 May 2020 12: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Octopus
          Naturally, one should shoot at an adversary who cannot answer, preferably does not know at all that they are shooting at him. This is a reasonable idea.

          This wonderful belief is so ... sweet! World divan troops minted this formula for centuries. So that I am a hero, a veteran and a winner ... but to shoot with impunity! And all the military activities of America in this. To kill everyone, stay alone. Shish will succeed. That’s why Americans run at the very first real pressure, and therefore they try to take on someone else’s fame with other people's victories, because they overcame their debts - in order to overwhelm opponents with long-range, even a money printer was not enough.
          I am afraid that in the hope of a bloodless victory (from their side), they will destroy both us and themselves. By the way, they are also afraid of this. In their films, on an almost constant basis, all global threats to the world end up being initiated by them. Remember the cool subway quest when you needed to spin the Earth's core again? On the way, it turned out that they themselves had slowed him down, looking for a superweapon for "bloodless" victories.
          Cinema is cinema, but the truth is true - if you are not ready to die, there will be no victory. Will not be. Never.
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 21 May 2020 12: 49 New
            +3
            Quote: Mikhail3
            So that I am a hero, a veteran and a winner ...

            I AM? It does not pull at all.
            Quote: Mikhail3
            To kill everyone, stay alone.

            No, this does not work. America needs consumers.
            Quote: Mikhail3
            I am afraid that in the hope of a bloodless (for their part) victory, they will destroy us and themselves.

            Actually, a ticket to paradise was not promised to you by Trump, but by a completely different person.
            Quote: Mikhail3
            In their films, almost on an ongoing basis, all global threats to the world are ultimately initiated by them.

            The source of your ideas about geopolitics is understandable, thank you.
            Quote: Mikhail3
            if you are not ready to die, there will be no victory.

            I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb bastard die for his country.


            As you can see, your point of view suits everyone.
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 21 May 2020 12: 51 New
              +1
              Yes. Let me put it briefly. "You die today, and I will die tomorrow." Even better, right?
              1. Octopus
                Octopus 21 May 2020 12: 53 New
                +2
                Quote: Mikhail3
                "Die you today, and I will die tomorrow"

                Sorry, but this is a purely Soviet creed.

                As a rule, the bourgeoisie does not want to die unnecessarily, they have such a feature.
    2. Octopus
      Octopus 21 May 2020 12: 13 New
      +5
      Quote: SVD68
      Americans without such a gigantic experience all the time trying to bet on the range of weapons

      You are right and not.

      Your considerations were true for the late 40s, when they adopted Kalash. The Americans, of course, had both experience and a cartridge - .280 British - but there were no brains at all. When you are commanded by Eisenhower (commander-in-chief) and Bradley (chief of the OKNS) it is very difficult to expect reasonable decisions on the technical appearance of the army.

      Now the situation is somewhat different. Great experience - just the Americans. And now they are consciously moving towards increasing the distance of fire contact. Modern cartridges, and most importantly - modern sights (unlike open sights of the 40s) and a professional soldier (and not an untrained conscript from the times of total war) allow them to do this.
      1. prodi
        prodi 21 May 2020 12: 52 New
        0
        Yes, it’s hardly possible to talk about increasing the distance of fire contact (for shooting, right?) Rather, they decided to increase the breakdown effect of bullets, and they dance from the previous distance of a direct shot of 200-300 m for a rifle and 400-500 m for a machine gun. So I won’t be surprised if in the end two cartridges are formed again
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 21 May 2020 13: 15 New
          +1
          There are two problems. Chinese NIB and Kalash opponents. But not AK, but with a PC / PCP. So both armor penetration and distance, too.
          1. prodi
            prodi 21 May 2020 13: 25 New
            0
            the lethal distance, of course, will increase, but we must understand that they will be hit just as little, and therefore the issue of weight, ammunition and, at least optionally, automatic fire is not removed
            1. Octopus
              Octopus 21 May 2020 13: 47 New
              +2
              It’s precisely the topic of the weight of the gun and the cartridge that they are now solving, with difficult automation and muzzle bells and whistles that reduce recoil, and composite cartridges.

              As for getting in, the Americans are doing a lot of work on the sights, which is much less covered.
              1. prodi
                prodi 21 May 2020 13: 55 New
                0
                the cartridge will most likely be larger than 7.62x51, its power will increase, the weight of the weapon will inevitably also; they can only reduce the cost of a collimator sight, training fighters - no, not improve
                1. Octopus
                  Octopus 21 May 2020 14: 14 New
                  +3
                  Quote: prodi
                  the cartridge is likely to be larger than 7.62x51

                  No. Light sleeve, long bullet, new gunpowder.
                  Quote: prodi
                  the weight of the weapon is inevitable, too;

                  Beware. The role of firing bursts falls, plus contestants try to reduce perceived returns in different ways.
                  Quote: prodi
                  collimator scope they can only reduce the price

                  There we are talking about monsters with a range finder, a weather station and a ballistic computer in the sight housing, and for mass use, not sniper twos.
                  Quote: prodi
                  training fighters - no, not improving

                  You can work on it too. The military got the idea that poor cross-country shooting is not treated. Understood individually.
                  1. prodi
                    prodi 21 May 2020 14: 16 New
                    0
                    taking off from the run. You are a very big idealist
                    1. Octopus
                      Octopus 21 May 2020 14: 37 New
                      +1
                      If about cross - time will tell. If about iron - then all the characteristics are more or less known. It is not known whether they, with their sophisticated gadgets, such as the carriage layout, can provide operational qualities.
                      1. prodi
                        prodi 21 May 2020 14: 49 New
                        +1
                        you forget about the carriage layout, and about balanced automation too
                      2. Octopus
                        Octopus 21 May 2020 14: 50 New
                        +2
                        Quote: prodi
                        you forget about the carriage layout, and about balanced automation too

                        Yes, I know this position. The tendency of partners to overcomplicated wunderwafles is also.

                        We will observe.
                      3. prodi
                        prodi 21 May 2020 15: 11 New
                        +1
                        still must get better, the monitors may be, but only to reduce recoil, and possibly with a reduced rate of automatic firing; Yes, and balanced, also would not reset
        2. Engineer
          Engineer 21 May 2020 14: 03 New
          +1
          I am familiar with the program superficially. Therefore, I do not pretend to be unambiguous. Them of what I remember
          1. Not only lethal, but also effective shooting distance should increase. This is generally one of the key points.
          2. GD project allows automatic shooting even in the light version. And their option is my favorite. I don’t remember about the Textron (they have the same mutant, for techno-freaks) Sauer doesn’t have a carbine.
          3. As I understand it, it is first planned to produce 100 thousand units of weapons - the winner. And after intense mass use, the question will be raised about replacing traditional calibers
          1. psiho117
            psiho117 21 May 2020 19: 06 New
            +2
            Quote: Engineer
            after intense mass use, the question will be raised about replacing traditional calibers

            This question will never be raised, because all analysts unanimously say: skirmishes in the open field, by the 40s and 50s, will be reduced to 10%, and 90% will be occupied by battles in urban agglomerations.
            Everything, a kaput, a redesigned weapon under a rifle cartridge, with 20 cartridges in the store, overweight, and an ultra-expensive electronic sight - will not be trite.
            Unless it will be suitable except as a Marxian weapon - but this niche is now normally saturated.
            As a handbrake, this weapon also does not inspire me with optimism, but with a great desire - this owl can still be pulled onto the globe of necessity.
            Somehow bully
            1. Engineer
              Engineer 21 May 2020 19: 18 New
              +1
              This question will never be raised

              You can raise a question anyway. 20 rounds like only DD. The weight in the modification of the machine gun is promised to be significantly reduced in comparison with the existing samples. Super expensive sight - no data yet.
              40s - 50s, will be reduced to 10%, and 90% will be occupied by battles in urban agglomerations.

              The local Israelis claim that the increased ammunition power in the city is good
              And yes, the third caliber is too expensive. Moreover, before there was infa that sleeves under 6.8 cartridge will receive re-compression of 7.62x51. And then all the finalists offer a unique cartridge
              And yet, I look at Textron and doubts arise as to how "this" outstripped X & K. Some kind of cyberpunk
              1. psiho117
                psiho117 21 May 2020 19: 36 New
                0
                Quote: Engineer
                The weight in the modification of the machine gun is promised to significantly reduce

                Yeah, I did believe it ... How? in comparison with a rifle - a longer barrel, a kondovey and a heavier internal filling, more cartridges weight. How can this be "significantly reduced"?
                They are all crazy ... Do not believe it.
                Quote: Engineer
                The local Israelis claim that the increased ammunition power in the city is good

                Accustomed to killing peaceful Palestinians - that’s good for them.
                Bullets will break through several walls in a row, do not care how many fireflies kill with random fire - they are Arabs, they do not mind them.
                1. Engineer
                  Engineer 21 May 2020 19: 54 New
                  +1
                  more cartridge weight

                  Less than 7.62x51. Even Sauer.
                  M68 (machine gun version) from Sauer 12 pounds. I don’t know the configuration details. Less than or equal to M249 to replace which this particular option is made
                  Bullets will break through several walls in a row, do not care how many fireflies kill with random fire - they are Arabs, they do not mind them.

                  If it came to an assault, then no one would think of a peacekeeper. This is the reality of war unfortunately
                  1. psiho117
                    psiho117 21 May 2020 19: 58 New
                    0
                    the weight of cartridges is greater than that of a rifle. Russian in white wrote:
                    in comparison with a rifle - a longer barrel, a kondovey and a heavier internal filling, more cartridges weight. How can this be "significantly reduced"?
                  2. Engineer
                    Engineer 21 May 2020 20: 06 New
                    0
                    I was initially more interested in the machine-gun version. I just did not highlight this moment. On its own wave.
    3. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 22 May 2020 19: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Octopus
      Chinese nib

      Made of paper and foam.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 21 May 2020 12: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: SVD68
    According to our experience in fighting in the Great Patriotic War, it was found that the distance of an effective battle for the majority begins with 400 meters.

    You probably wanted to say "up to 400 meters"?
  • Operator
    Operator 21 May 2020 11: 33 New
    +1
    The author - not two, but three models from three manufacturers (TEXTRON, SIG Sauer and General Dynamics) participate in the NGSW competition. At the same time, the NGSW-R stands for a self-loading (rather than automatic) rifle, and the NGSW-AR stands for a light machine gun.

    We can confidently predict that, based on the results of military tests, the models from TEXTRON (the next version of the LSAT for a telescopic cartridge that had previously failed at the military test stage) and General Dynamics (which presented a 20-round machine gun with a magazine for XNUMX rounds with a plastic sleeve) will lose the classic models from SIG Sauer with a metal cartridge case.
    1. Svateev
      Svateev 21 May 2020 17: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: Operator
      NGSW-R stands for self-loading (rather than automatic) rifle,

      No, automatic. They shoot in bursts and the requirements for accuracy in bursts have already been formulated.
      But on the whole you are right: there are more and more articles on Voennoye Obozreniye - a collection of inventions. Like, we'll write nonsense, and the readers will correct ...
      1. Operator
        Operator 21 May 2020 17: 32 New
        +1
        The prefixes R (rifle) and AR (automatic rifle) and TTT of the contest testify in my favor, each participant of NGSW presented the corresponding pair of models.

        Another thing is that General Dynamics proactively implemented two shooting modes in its rifle model: self-loading with a closed shutter and automatic with an open. But only because the GD rifle and machine gun, made in the bullpup form factor, differ only in barrel length.
        1. Svateev
          Svateev 7 July 2020 17: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Operator
          The prefixes R (rifle) and AR (automatic rifle) and TTT of the contest testify in my favor,

          M16 is also "rifle", but it shoots in bursts. Indexes in the NGSW program mean:
          -R - assault rifle (the main type of fire is single, but if necessary fires bursts), exactly like M16;
          -AR - light machine gun (the main type of fire - bursts, but if necessary it can be single).
          Quote: Operator
          General Dynamics proactively implemented

          Want to say that -R from Sig Sauer or from Textron cannot fire bursts ?! Give a link to such information.
  • KSVK
    KSVK 21 May 2020 18: 02 New
    +1
    The author is not even versed in calibers. The cartridge is not .227, but .277.
    Unit per article. No, 0! If the author was even a little bit in the subject, he would have known that the bullet of the 5,56 NATO cartridge has a diameter of .224 ". Zero for the article, AdnAnatA!
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 21 May 2020 19: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: KSVK
      The author is not even versed in calibers

      This is Ryabov Kirill. bully
      More empty articles, god empty articles.
      Some manager blurted out about the "soldier-centric weapon" - and Ryabov Kirill immediately sprinkles an article of 800 characters, with a bunch of factual errors, trite pouring from empty to empty.
  • bk0010
    bk0010 21 May 2020 22: 16 New
    +3
    We would, before climbing into this harlot with a change of caliber, see how it ends in the west.
    1. bunta
      bunta 22 May 2020 08: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: bk0010
      We would, before climbing into this harlot with a change of caliber, see how it ends in the west.

      Gold words. The most sober thought in this topic.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 22 May 2020 01: 24 New
    +1
    Here is a rifle and machine gun from General Dynamics:
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 22 May 2020 01: 31 New
    +1
    Telescopic cartridges from Textron
  • KSVK
    KSVK 22 May 2020 12: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Here is a rifle and machine gun from General Dynamics:

    Machine gun complete nonsense. Shop at 20-30 in the machine gun ... not even funny.
    And you won't put the box, it will get in the way and the balance will be even more disturbed. A "tambourine" in military weapons ... well, so-so idea. And in general, the bullpup scheme for an automatic machine is quite, but for a machine gun IMHO it sucks.
    Quote: bk0010
    We would, before climbing into this harlot with a change of caliber, see how it ends in the west.

    Nothing good, IMHO. And again, the US specialists are "sorting out" the caliber. As at the time with .308. 6,8mm is closer to 7-ke, with its excess range and power. Hence, all the dances with "recoil damper" and other monitors. This will lead, as before, to the creation of AR-shaped garbage cans, which will then take a long time and costly to bring to mind. And in the end, the reliability of the Kalash will still not work. But the cartridge type 6,5x47 is the most. Ballistics at the level of .308 (or even better), small recoil, allowing automatic fire "from hand" without using a bunch of bells and whistles in the design. And you can have a single cartridge. In the end, there is another 6,5 Creedmor if the x47 case is not enough when used in machine guns. You can also play with a charge in it, in terms of a smaller charge a bullet is lighter for machine guns, a bigger bullet is a heavier charge for machine guns and Marksman.