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Seen oddities in the teachings of the Chinese tank brigade

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In China have passed tank exercises in which the crews of the main Type96 PLA battle tanks were involved. These are 42,5-ton cars, the main armament of which is a smooth-bore 125-mm gun. The ZPT-98 tank gun is an unlicensed copy of the 2A46M (D-81TM), developed more than half a century ago in the USSR.


During the exercises, tank crews of the 72nd Army of the PLA practiced various skills. A feature of the exercises, as noted in China itself, is that dozens of tanks made a march to the mountainous area - "to an unfamiliar area", where they had to assess the situation and engage in battle with a conditional enemy.

Chinese tankers note that the difficulty was the need to access the operational space through narrow corridors on mountainous and hilly terrain.



In some areas, the tanks of the 72nd Brigade had to pass along narrow roads, on both sides of which actually steep mountains rose, in addition with fairly dense vegetation.

If the very conditional adversary with whom it was to enter the battle did not “expect” a tank column in open space (as envisioned by the legend of the exercises), but took up positions at dominant heights, then it is likely that most of the tanks would be in fiery a trap with all the ensuing consequences for them and for their crews. In this regard, the Chinese tank exercises and their legend, according to which the enemy expected an offensive where he had no chance, look very strange. The strange thing is that tank columns advanced in the mountains even without reconnaissance. What kind of "assessment of the situation" in the course of the exercises is mentioned by the brigade command is not entirely clear.

But the Chinese tankmen were in medical masks ...
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  1. Voltsky
    Voltsky 20 May 2020 15: 56 New
    12
    Jews are cosplayed, they also entered the Lebanon in the hills; it seems like they went in, the rope burned and went out ... profit.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 20 May 2020 16: 07 New
      +1
      This was the first time in Lebanon - the battle of Stsltan Yakub. In the second it was all easier)). And dumber laughing
      1. Voltsky
        Voltsky 20 May 2020 16: 13 New
        +5
        Well, let's see what these hills in Taiwan will do, as if hilly unfamiliar woodland hints; waiting for good from donnie
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 20 May 2020 16: 14 New
          +5
          I don’t think it’s for Taiwan - rather Tibet, India
          1. Voltsky
            Voltsky 20 May 2020 16: 21 New
            +9
            I doubt about Tibet (you don’t run into tanks there, and the situation in the near future does not bode well), India is going there too. But control at sea, where the citadel of democracy promises the Reds to put in a pose of siu, as it were more promising. And it’s not an hour that Doni, in a fit of madness, will blurt out about the basis for protecting the democratic system on Formosa, which will mean an immediate landing operation, and Doni’s extensive sanctions against China
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 20 May 2020 16: 24 New
              0
              Do you think that the Chinese will decide to use tanks there? If they have brains, they will flood the island with infantry carcasses, because tanks in such a place against an army of the level of Taiwan - a gamble of pure water. They will be poked cleanly, wherever they pass
              1. Voltsky
                Voltsky 20 May 2020 16: 30 New
                14
                yes the devil really knows them :) I just considered Taiwan to be a more promising target than Tibet or India.
                And so yes, a missile-bomb strike at the bases followed by occupation of administrative centers by marines; and then motorized pikachu catch and suppress foci of resistance
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 20 May 2020 16: 32 New
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                  Something like that, yes.
                  1. Shurik70
                    Shurik70 20 May 2020 21: 55 New
                    +2
                    You can’t take away the ability to learn from the Chinese.
                    As well as the ability to learn from other people's military conflicts.
                    The author, of course, cheerfully mocked the Chinese, but in real hostilities, I believe, swarms of reconnaissance and strike UAVs will hang over the theater of operations.

                    China very clearly demonstrated its capabilities by staging a show where giant swarms of UAVs formed various moving figures. From such figures, the Software for swarm UAVs is suitable with minimal alteration. And they have the right programmers.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 20 May 2020 22: 01 New
                      +1
                      It is possible they are very disciplined workaholics. However, like the Taiwanese
                2. kenig1
                  kenig1 20 May 2020 19: 40 New
                  +2
                  Why guess, Tibet, India, China has borders with other countries, these are teachings.
                  1. Voltsky
                    Voltsky 20 May 2020 19: 42 New
                    +4
                    these are just exercises where they taught carts to drive in unfamiliar terrain
              2. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 21 May 2020 00: 04 New
                +1
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Do you think that the Chinese will decide to use tanks there? If they have brains, they will flood the island with infantry carcasses, because tanks in such a place against an army of the level of Taiwan - a gamble of pure water. They shove cleanlywhere they generally pass

                For more details, can you talk about the "power" of Taiwan NE?
                Although the equipment, the presence of modern military equipment of the Armed Forces of Taiwan, are among the best in the Asia-Pacific region, but they have several serious problems that spoil the picture.

                - The low moral and psychological state of the Taiwanese military. They are the heirs of the Kuomintang army, under the command of Chiang Kai-shek - they suffered many defeats from the Japanese forces from 1937 to 1945, were defeated by the people's liberation army of Mao Zedong and in 1949 fled to the island of Taiwan in a hurry. And they weren’t destroyed only due to the lack of sufficient transport vessels in the PLA, as well as US support. The main reasons for the defeat from the PLA, despite the superiority in armaments - were low morale, poor discipline, incompetence of officers and venality of high command. All these reasons have not disappeared, they are only smoothed out by a good life and time.
                - The Taiwanese army is "famous" for numerous corruption scandals.
                - The system of mutual responsibility clearly operates in the army, and anyone who tries to break it and “strike at the prestige of the armed forces” risks not only epaulettes, but - often - life.
                - Unprofessionalism and low discipline, every year about 500 people die in the army, a whole battalion. The suicide rate among draftees is approximately two times higher than that of peers in the "civilian". Only in the latest military exercises, dedicated to the meeting of Obama and Hu Jintao, during the launches of air-to-ground and air-to-air missiles, a third of them did not hit the target.
                - The top military leadership is a kind of caste of “untouchables”, in terms of their lack of control over society.

                In the end, if Beijing decides on a military operation, it is possible that he will not meet strong resistance. Many of the Taiwanese Chinese would probably agree on the autonomy option, following the example of Hong Kong.

                https://topwar.ru/3475-tajvan-voennye-programmy-problemy-vs.html

                Taiwan's ground forces consist of 35 brigades, of which 25 are infantry, five - tank and three - mechanized brigades.
                https://yandex.ru/turbo?text=http%3A%2F%2Fwarfor.me%2Fsuhoputnyie-voyska-tayvanya%2F
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 21 May 2020 00: 12 New
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                  As for the low moral qualities, about 70 years ago - almost a century has passed))
                  As for corruption scandals - where they do not exist, suicides among companions always exceed the percentage of those among civilians. A third of the missiles didn’t hit - they didn’t show off like that, it’s a plus. And they will fight hard for their standard of living - they are reluctant to fall under China for reasons of a sharp decline in living standards in the event of a violent accession.
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 21 May 2020 00: 22 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    As for the low moral qualities, about 70 years ago - almost a century has passed))

                    Tell us about the long period that has passed since the defeat of the current Argentinean soldiers and APU soldiers who passed the "cauldrons" ....
                    If nothing changes for the better in the armed forces, then it becomes a group of temporarily armed prisoners of war ....
                    As for corruption scandals - where they are not

                    Somewhere it is not elevated to the role of "religion" ....
                    suicides among adolescents always exceed the percentage of those among civilians

                    In all armies ....?
                    A third of the missiles didn’t hit - they didn’t show themselves like that, already plus.

                    ... Taiwanese taxpayers (like Israeli Jews regarding the IDF) did not share such a "delight" with you ....
                    And they will fight hard for their standard of living - they are reluctant to fall under China for reasons of a sharp decline in life.

                    You conducted surveys among the population, studied the national composition of Taiwan and the influence of various political parties in Taiwan on the population?
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 21 May 2020 00: 39 New
                      -2
                      1) But not 70 years old - compare the Wehrmacht and the Bundeswehr laughing
                      2) Corruption - well, in the whole former social camp
                      3) The vast majority
                      Young people with baggage of teenage complexes, without relatives and in a hierarchical authoritarian system
                      4) It is clear that they would not have shared - moreover, fairy tales conducted from TV would not have been hawed - after all, the deadline has passed)).
                      5) I didn’t get into it - the only thing I know is that they hate the CCP from the early grades of the school bench
                      1. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 21 May 2020 00: 54 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        4) It is clear that they would not share - moreover, fairy tales conducted from TV would not hawala - after all, everyone passed)).

                        It makes up in Denmark - 4 months ....
                        Taiwan Recruited Duration Currently up to 4 months. As follows from the stories of servicemen, during the period of active service (regular service) draftees practically do not engage in fire training. The training is conducted on the old T65K2 and the new T91 5,56 mm assault rifles. During the basic course of military training (basic training) for each conscript less than 100 rounds are allocated. The calculations of 120-mm mortars T63 and 66-mm RPG M72 do not teach live rounds, but are mainly engaged in disassembling and cleaning weapons. The same applies to the mastery of the T40 85 mm grenade launcher.
                        After four months of training, conscripts are credited to the Reserve Command, where classes with them are held at five-day training camps once every two years. It is not known how many reservists arrive at these camps and how modern their program is, but classes with them, they say, boil down to doing chores. In this case, there are no training centers in Taiwan for training in conducting combat operations in various types of terrain - in the city, in the forest or in the mountains.

                        https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5c14533ec78ace00ab6e8490/voorujennye-sily-taivania-nujdaiutsia-v-pomosci-5c75223006dc8700b30ec5f0 (статья 2019 г.)
                        Did not delve into - the only thing I know is that they are taught hatred of the CCP from the early grades of the school bench

                        In vain.
                        Survey results over the past few years are virtually unchanged. Only 9% of respondents said they were ready to join the armed forces in the event of a Chinese invasion, another 6% intend to offer some resistance to the invaders. On the contrary, 25% of the respondents said that they were not going to do anything and what would happen, 15% were going to leave Taiwan, and 2-3% intend to give up immediately. Militia patriots make up an insignificant part of the population of Taiwan.
                        Although according to the Taipei Times, a survey conducted in September 2018 yielded the following results:
                        - 36,2 percent of respondents supported independent Taiwan;
                        - 26,1 percent favored unification with China;
                        - 23,2 percent supported the maintenance of the status quo;
                        It turns out that most Taiwanese do not want to become part of the People’s Republic of China. If we consider the results of these two surveys as mutually complementary, they do not refute each other. Perhaps many Taiwanese would prefer independent Taiwan ... but in the event of an invasion, they will not show any resistance. At least those who are wiser.

                        See there ...
                        I think Taiwan in some sense would be saved by irregular formations like the Scandinavian "Hemvern" ... formed on a national basis ....
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 21 May 2020 20: 54 New
                        0
                        Well, if 4 months is not an army
    2. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 20 May 2020 16: 25 New
      -2
      Sultan Yakub? And what kind of wadi goes there?
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 20 May 2020 16: 29 New
        +3
        I did not know where to go to the Sultan Yakub on the road between the hills. Lost the first and last car. They asked for art support, got a friendly fire. Barely left, leaving the wrecked equipment and several 200s.
        1. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 20 May 2020 17: 26 New
          -1
          https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8_%D0%A1%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD-%D0%AF%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%B5
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 20 May 2020 17: 31 New
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            The tanks and armored personnel carriers that followed the commander left on the other side of the village [/ b] narrow valley. Here Efroni decided to wait the night [6].
            By dawn, both sides realized the situation: the small forces of the Israelites were surrounded by superior Syrian forces. From attacks by infantry, the Syrians went on to shell the position of Efroni. The Israeli commander requested radio assistance [7]. Regardless of this request, reserve Israeli forces were already sent to the battlefield, whose task was to establish control over the entire sector, but they were mired in battle with the Syrians five kilometers from Sultan-Yakub [6].

            Two artillery battalions were thrown directly to the rescue of the Efroni battalion, but they were also unable to break through the ring of Syrian troops [6]. Nevertheless, the Syrians themselves were in no hurry to start a tank battle with the Israelis and continued to shell them from afar and attack with the forces of infantry armed with anti-tank missiles [5]. In addition, Israeli tanks were attacked from the air by a pair of Syrian MiGs, while the air support requested by Efroni never appeared [7].

            The Israelis in the Syrian ring continued to suffer losses in manpower and equipment, they ran out of ammunition, and at the insistence of the command, a decision was made to go on a breakthrough again [6]. At about 9 a.m. on June 11, almost all the IDF’s available artillery forces in the area were pulled into the hills around Sultan-Yakub [5] - at least 11 artillery battalions were ready to open cover fire when the Efroni tanks and armored personnel carriers began to move. The crews of the wrecked tanks were distributed among the armored personnel carriers, and the Israelis, in artillery bordering, began a jerk that lasted 16 minutes. Another tank was lost along the way, bringing the total number of lost vehicles to eight, and four more soldiers were killed. The breakthrough was successfully completed at 9:06 [6].

            About fire, the fireman listened and read maraki.
            1. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 21 May 2020 05: 34 New
              0
              Quote: Krasnodar
              About fire, the fireman listened and read maraki.

              moraines drinks
          2. kenig1
            kenig1 20 May 2020 19: 41 New
            0
            Did you write in Hebrew?
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 21 May 2020 08: 49 New
              -1
              Short for Moreshet Krav - a military heritage
    3. KLV
      KLV 21 May 2020 20: 19 New
      0
      First what? What’s the fight? Please write correctly. Respect the eyes and patience of other readers!
  • Masha
    Masha 20 May 2020 15: 56 New
    +2
    It’s hard to learn, easy in battle ...
  • Kasym
    Kasym 20 May 2020 15: 58 New
    +1
    To knock out the first tank - the entire column is forced to turn on the "back" to remove the "cork". hi
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 20 May 2020 16: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: Kasym
      To knock out the first tank - the entire column is forced to turn on the "back" to remove the "cork". hi

      classics of the genre...
  • +5
    +5 20 May 2020 16: 03 New
    +5
    It seems that these are just driving exercises in difficult conditions ....
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 20 May 2020 16: 09 New
    0
    Tibet and India
    Hint))
  • Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 20 May 2020 16: 10 New
    +7
    In the photo, as an officer in the SA, I noticed one strange thing about these exercises - on the faces of Chinese tankers are white unmasking gauze masks, and not green gas masks))))
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 20 May 2020 16: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
      In the photo, as an officer in the SA, I noticed one strange thing about these exercises - on the faces of Chinese tankers are white unmasking gauze masks, and not green gas masks))))

      why don’t you know that covid19 is rampant in the mountains ???
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 20 May 2020 17: 02 New
        +5
        And what, the gas mask does not save from the cove?))) And then I constantly drive the gas mask in the car))) Maybe in vain ???
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 20 May 2020 17: 35 New
      +1
      Oh...
      There are three comments at once:
      1) The tank itself is garbage unmasking - noise, clang, etc.
      2) In a gas mask - the glasses will fog up and what will be visible there? )))
      3) The damaging garbage is a vest displayed from the upper part of the form - it is fabulously considered into the night vision device
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 20 May 2020 18: 15 New
        +1
        Oh ... how convenient it is to aim, even from native Kalash)))), and the battle in the mountainous-wooded area is almost always close !!!!
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 20 May 2020 18: 36 New
          0
          On a blindfold aiming at melee? ))) laughing
      2. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 20 May 2020 18: 23 New
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        About the vest))) You definitely have the info that Comrade Lee Xi Qing from the Russian Airborne Forces commands a Chinese tank in the photo))) ??? Probably, so that DAY would not be unmasked by the vest in the night vision device, he specially put on a gauze mask)))) ????
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 20 May 2020 18: 37 New
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          No, I'm talking about the demasking factors of different armies of the world fellow
          1. Vitaly Tsymbal
            Vitaly Tsymbal 20 May 2020 18: 41 New
            -1
            And what different armies are vests (not sailors), especially tankers? I will not say anything about our tankers)))))
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 20 May 2020 18: 41 New
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              Airborne do not wear?
              1. Vitaly Tsymbal
                Vitaly Tsymbal 20 May 2020 18: 42 New
                -1
                I'm talking about tankers in the PVN))) ???
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 20 May 2020 18: 45 New
                  +1
                  Once again - the tank is a sufficient unmasking factor)). The silhouette on the tank is also noticeable, even as laughing In a blindfold or in a ninja mask, on the face stained with mud
                  And the vests (their protruding piece) is visible in the NVD
                  1. Vitaly Tsymbal
                    Vitaly Tsymbal 20 May 2020 18: 50 New
                    -1
                    So the tank is not a sniper in an ambush, it must be visible and heard from far away so that the enemies are afraid)))) During the Second World War, the tank rumble and clang “sounded” specially at night, introducing the enemy into “fear”.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 20 May 2020 18: 55 New
                      -1
                      This is understandable .... like the fact that in this case the bandage is not a unmasking factor drinks Disguised stationary tanks were still used in WWII, and panzerophobia - in my opinion, in 1973 everyone already passed.
      3. parkello
        parkello 20 May 2020 22: 22 New
        0
        as for the noise, everything is correct. and the clang and roar of the turbine. but as for gas masks. so they say. who have never put them on. there is a special pencil for glasses or a protective membrane. in another embodiment, on all glass from the inside. Soviet development. I put on my first gas mask at a civil defense school (the civil defense lesson was called that) and draw a cross with a pencil and then rub it on the glass. hydrophobic pencil itself. eliminates any moisture retention on the glass for many hours. I ran in a gas mask and went through the gas chamber at school (I had time to go during the USSR) and about the vest in the tank .. I never argued. The tank before opening the hatches. Each hillock or a bunch of anti-tank weapons is carefully examined. and only when within a radius of 1,5 km there is no one allowed to tear the hatches. also passed ... though not in the tank. but in the conveyor M-113A2 of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Greece. and more than 1,5 km, this thermal imager does not take. the tank itself is visible. but not a man in a vest. if a person is visible in the sight, it means that the tanker screwed up and pinned not know where. I tanks in the training passed the M-48 with a 105 mm gun. when I handed over to the driver ... now about Kovid 19, the gas mask cannot protect, then we need stockings and a dressing gown and, in general, a complete set of RCBZ.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 20 May 2020 22: 46 New
          0
          Yamos! )))
          As for the gas mask - an exam for installing a system for saline into a vein in combat conditions (Israel) - you run 400 meters in a gas mask, gloves and a chemical protection suit. Then you insert venflon into a friend’s vein - from the needle. No pencils, no fig laughing
          The vest is not in the tank - the vest looks out from under the form of the airborne forces - the upper part of the sternum.
          On tanks - I don’t know how in Greece, there are their own rules + NATO, in the IDF tank commanders from the hatches always stuck out - like it’s better to see + show-offs.
          From Kovid - I do not have information. Probably, it is necessary to dump into a village remote for a pandemic into some wilderness - it will definitely help)).
          1. parkello
            parkello 20 May 2020 23: 17 New
            0
            I also took exams in NVP and GO in school. in the 80th year I got a “call” to school and in the 90th I graduated from 11th grade and was deported from the USSR as a hostile element. repatriated ... to my historical Motherland. but he put on a gas mask twice a week at school until the 11th grade. therefore, he began to understand something in them. Now, according to Kovid, I have information as a person who has been quarantined for tuberculosis. And if I changed (although I don’t think) the manuals in a min. health, they may have introduced innovations. I used to rely on a full RHBZ suit in case of an epidemic and vaccination with antibodies for the epidemic. they could still force the nostrils to rinse ... in general, the uniform didn’t disgrace, the shoulder straps didn’t pass ... it's so simple, you won’t take me with your bare hands, I am thoroughly savvy, have experience of shooting and shoot. of 6.000 shots. of which are more than half small 5,6, 317 mm long riefl, 5 parachute jumps: on the D-6, D-1, D5-15U, UT-9 (PO-XNUMX didn’t have time), the Union was destroyed crying I’m doing injections of all kinds. All kinds of droppers (also made by a patient with diabetes) in Greece since the year 91 with a residence permit. Citizen since 1993. besides, I’m not badly dressing different types of wounds, I can sew (if there is anything). and I think I’ll serve if they call. as for tanks, so to speak, our commanders also stuck on top more than under the armor ... this is a universal phenomenon ... they were afraid that there would be nowhere to run (on the one hand everything is true. and there is nowhere to go) on the other .. there is a flip side , not a single platoon commander of the Greek army can boast of the same as I ... I did not just serve, I learned to survive. on its own .... I’m not afraid for myself. I’ll feed the two with me .. don’t die of hunger (well, at least something) and I know something about the same machine guns ... how ...? in general, from a to z and vice versa, from i to a ...
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 20 May 2020 23: 20 New
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              Judging by the post, worthy of the pen of Homer, you have Tsalkinsky roots)).
              1. parkello
                parkello 20 May 2020 23: 23 New
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                did not guess .. Tsikhidzhvarsky I .. Borjomi winked
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 20 May 2020 23: 25 New
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                  My wife from Dmanis
                  But all of you are considered Tsalkin - subethnos of the Pontic Greeks)).
                  1. parkello
                    parkello 20 May 2020 23: 52 New
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                    I’ve been to Dmanisi ... there really are more Azerbaijanis than Greeks, and the Greeks who live there are those who came in 1824 from Erzurum and Kars. with General Paskevich ... and ours lived there before the state of Georgia was formed ... that's all. but I am friends with the Tsalkins .... for many years. I visited Dmanisi because I went to Ziarat ... St. Paul and Peter .. there were several of our villages ... I didn’t remember the name, I went there as a child. I just remembered that there are a lot of Azerbaijanis living there. and the Greek villages, there were 3 or 4 ... I don’t remember exactly ... I parachuted at the Bolnisi airport. this is one way, first Bolnisi, then Dmanisi ... and then Shulaveri, Suibulak, and the Red Bridge to Azerbaijan .
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 21 May 2020 00: 14 New
                      -1
                      That's right - there were a lot of Azerbaijanis, my father-in-law told)). And the whole family speaks Azerbaijani.
                      1. parkello
                        parkello 21 May 2020 00: 23 New
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                        rejoice then. your father-in-law and wife are real Greeks ... I respect them, I will bite over Tsalka's throat. for the Gomaretsky too ... remembered the name of the village .. Gomareti, there I stayed for the night to go to Ai Pavlos ke ai Petri in the morning. A good village was there then, it's about Gomareti ... I immediately went to spend the night, without unnecessary questions. people were ... found out that the Greek. and going to Ziarat. immediately found everything, and the car. and the guide-translator. everyone there speaks Turkic ... musurmanja ... the same language among Azerbaijanis. they understood each other and spoke fluently in their language ... but I didn’t know how. I still don’t know how ... I don’t know, only I managed to learn curses there. winked
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 21 May 2020 00: 32 New
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                        laughing
                        Here rejoice, do not rejoice - 4 children))
                      3. parkello
                        parkello 21 May 2020 00: 35 New
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                        and thank God ! God grant everyone health ... they have the rest. and what is not, they themselves will achieve.
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 21 May 2020 00: 41 New
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                        Thank you, it was nice to chat! I sleep - tomorrow rise with small hi And they get up early sad
                      5. parkello
                        parkello 21 May 2020 00: 44 New
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                        understood .. good night then. It was nice to talk. Come in ... Krasnodar. we are frequent visitors here. will have something to say, write ...
  • Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 21 May 2020 05: 39 New
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    Quote: parkello
    as for the noise, everything is correct. and the clang and roar of the turbine. but as for gas masks. so they say. who have never put them on. there is a special pencil for glasses or a protective membrane.

    a pencil is good, but when sweat floods your eyes, it’s not so important whether the glasses are foggy or not.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 20 May 2020 16: 12 New
    +1
    train the army continuously ... and the legend is to divert the eyes of observers from the side ...
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 20 May 2020 16: 16 New
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    In principle, any exercise in an unfamiliar area is a useful thing.
    Because officers get used to the same training ground. Appears
    stereotyped actions: "last year we did such a maneuver, passed
    well, we’ll repeat this year too. "And so on.
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 20 May 2020 16: 22 New
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    If everything described in the note was true, then the task of this stage of the exercises was to march the brigade through poorly studied mountainous terrain in the territory not occupied by the enemy, in short, they worked out the movement of the brigade column in non-polygonal conditions. Otherwise, it is impossible to explain the lack of intelligence and interaction with aviation and other military branches. But I am not inclined to consider the Chinese military as ignoramuses.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 20 May 2020 16: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      then the task of this stage of the exercises was the march of the brigade on poorly studied mountainous terrain in the territory not occupied by the enemy

      To the Indo-Burmese or Indo-Pakistani border?
      Possible.
    2. Voltsky
      Voltsky 20 May 2020 17: 16 New
      +2
      I support; relations with India are not so tense, and there is no need to enrage dancers too much, they already have relations with Pakistan in a state of strained contraceptive. Wheel or light tractors are handier in the mountains than 40t +
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 20 May 2020 16: 23 New
    +4
    If the very conditional adversary with whom it was to enter the battle did not “expect” a tank column in open space (as envisioned by the legend of the exercises), but took up positions at dominant heights, then it is likely that most of the tanks would be in fiery a trap with all the ensuing consequences for them and for their crews. In this regard, the Chinese tank exercises and their legend, according to which the enemy expected an offensive where he had no chance, look very strange. The strange thing is that tank columns advanced in the mountains even without reconnaissance. What kind of "assessment of the situation" in the course of the exercises is mentioned by the brigade command is not entirely clear.

    laughing laughing laughing
    In fact, mountain and airmobile units, units and formations are better suited for actions in the mountains. Which must fulfill the task of safely posting "heavy" combined arms to the area of ​​operations for their intended purpose.
    1. Vitaly Tsymbal
      Vitaly Tsymbal 20 May 2020 17: 12 New
      -1
      Actually, I think the Chinese are not stupid. Teaching brigade level. They worked out in conjunction with reconnaissance, and with art, and with sappers .... The PLA in the TBR probably has motorized rifle units .... It’s three tanks that ukrov drove three kilometers through the fields with the support of one old UAZ and accompanied by a Lithuanian military instructor tanker))) -already awesome exercises about which blow the whole world))))
    2. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 21 May 2020 05: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Spade
      In fact, mountain and airmobile units, units and formations are better suited for actions in the mountains.

      the Chinese "throw through the Ardennes" train
  • Kars
    Kars 20 May 2020 16: 28 New
    0
    No one forbids the preliminary processing of the area where there may be an ambush. RSZO and aviation should not be idle. Most likely, helicopters should go ahead.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 20 May 2020 16: 59 New
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      Quote: Kars
      No one forbids the preliminary processing of the area where there may be an ambush. RSZO and aviation should not be idle. Most likely, helicopters should go ahead.

      Afghan taught us a lot, China, no.
  • Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev 20 May 2020 16: 32 New
    +4

    If the very conditional adversary with whom it was to enter the battle did not “expect” a tank column in open space (as provided for by the legend of the exercises), but took up positions at dominant heights,

    This is if the enemy has the opportunity and time to take positions on the dominant heights. There are at least two places on the Chinese borders where a possible adversary holds only border guards without heavy weapons in the highlands. This is the area of ​​Mount Pektusan on the border with the DPRK (all VET means and engineering barriers are concentrated in the south, from Korea) and Big Khingan, at the junction of the borders of Mongolia, China and Russia.
  • alstr
    alstr 20 May 2020 16: 34 New
    0
    I wonder why in masks, not gas masks?
  • BARKAS
    BARKAS 20 May 2020 16: 38 New
    +1
    They just picked up an unfamiliar area for exercises, and the fact that the mountains are there, so the mechanics and commanders additional training.
  • Cympak
    Cympak 20 May 2020 16: 41 New
    +1
    Which journalistic passage:
    The ZPT-98 tank gun is an unlicensed copy of the 2A46M (D-81TM), developed more than half a century ago in the USSR.

    But nothing that the 2A46M gun is on all modern Russian tanks, including the T-72B3, T-80BVM, T-90M. Only on the "Armata" there will be a new 2A82 gun, but it has not yet been adopted :(
    1. Aag
      Aag 21 May 2020 07: 34 New
      0
      Quote: Cympak
      Which journalistic passage:
      The ZPT-98 tank gun is an unlicensed copy of the 2A46M (D-81TM), developed more than half a century ago in the USSR.

      But nothing that the 2A46M gun is on all modern Russian tanks, including the T-72B3, T-80BVM, T-90M. Only on the "Armata" there will be a new 2A82 gun, but it has not yet been adopted :(

      Also too much ...
  • svp67
    svp67 20 May 2020 16: 43 New
    +5
    . In this regard, the Chinese tank exercises and their legend, according to which the enemy expected an offensive where he had no chance, look very strange. The strange thing is that tank columns advanced in the mountains even without reconnaissance.
    But the option that the paratroopers or other light units of the PLA had already captured the passes and reached the plain, and the tanks were required to march along mountain roads, on the heels of the advancing mountain shooters and go out onto the plain to release their landing troops and develop an offensive on the plain already not suitable? Such maneuvers are a hint of both India and Russia.
    But there is another option. This is the border between the two Koreas. There is just a similar relief, mountainous on the territory of the DPRK and turning into a plain, up to Seoul ... In any case, these teachings give many reason to think
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 20 May 2020 17: 01 New
      0
      Quote: svp67
      tank columns advanced in the mountains even without reconnaissance.
      And the option that the paratroopers or other light parts of the PLA had already captured the passes and reached the plain,

      why do the Chinese run on foot to the top? the tanks will go and return ... that’s the “doctrine ...”
    2. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 20 May 2020 17: 32 New
      -6
      Will China fight with Korea, which is one of the largest trading partners that employs millions of Chinese people or capture the DPRK with an inadequate leader waving a nuclear baton in all directions, from which migrant workers and a couple of echelons of coal per month?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 20 May 2020 18: 01 New
        +7
        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        China will fight with Korea

        It is intended.
        Because they are allies of the Americans, and in their territory there is a large group of troops threatening China.
        1. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 20 May 2020 18: 23 New
          -5
          The United States is not a military adversary of the PRC. But it is the largest trading partner. Moreover, a fairly well-armed partner, to fight with which is not only unprofitable economically, but also quite dangerous from a military point of view. The same applies to US allies in the region, against which you can play with your muscles, but to touch which is more expensive for yourself. But to arrange the Second Socialist War, as in 1979 against Vietnam, it is quite possible and useful from all points of view. In Seoul, they will only say thank you for helping to pacify the raging Juche people and present a couple of controversial islands.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 20 May 2020 18: 30 New
            +9
            Quote: Zeev Zeev
            US is not a military opponent of China

            Ага.
            And the water is not really wet.
            And the American concept of "Air-Sea Battle" created to capture Israel
            1. Zeev Zeev
              Zeev Zeev 20 May 2020 18: 33 New
              -3
              Precisely because the water is wet, a war between the PRC and the United States is much less likely than the joint seizure and disarmament of the DPRK by its southern and northern neighbors. Grandmothers rule the world (and I'm not talking about Merkel with Elizabeth), not tanks. A Celestial Empire governed by pragmatists, not fanatics. This is the whole secret of the success of China.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 20 May 2020 18: 43 New
                +5
                Quote: Zeev Zeev
                Precisely because the water is wet, war between China and the United States is much less likely

                Americans constantly provoke China. And they will surely run into a good blow in the mouth.
                After which the Americans have enough inadequacy to start a war.

                They have been preparing for war with the former ally since the collapse of the USSR. All actions of China in the military sphere are a necessary measure.
            2. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 20 May 2020 19: 41 New
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              Air-Sea Battle concept created to capture Israel

              Damn it, everything can be, but no one has definitely worked out such a version. wassat hi
          2. svp67
            svp67 20 May 2020 19: 32 New
            0
            Quote: Zeev Zeev
            The United States is not a military adversary of the PRC. But it is the largest trading partner.

            Now they are from the "partners" of the trade, more and more become rivals ...
            1. Zeev Zeev
              Zeev Zeev 20 May 2020 20: 14 New
              -2
              China does not have its own high technologies of a sufficiently high level; in the USA there is not so much cheap labor. These countries have too few rivalries
              1. svp67
                svp67 21 May 2020 05: 32 New
                0
                Quote: Zeev Zeev
                These countries have too few rivalries

                Just a few billion ...
                1. Zeev Zeev
                  Zeev Zeev 21 May 2020 05: 54 New
                  0
                  Are billions really important when it comes to trillions?
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 21 May 2020 05: 58 New
                    0
                    Quote: Zeev Zeev
                    Are billions really important when it comes to trillions?

                    Even without a cent, there won't be a trillion ...
                    And the fact that China and the United States are not partners, but rivals, at least in the same 5G sphere, and in others this is already a fait accompli.
                    And the "bandwagon" of the United States to China on the issue of purchasing Motor Sich, well, in partnership ...
          3. gsev
            gsev 20 May 2020 22: 22 New
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            Quote: Zeev Zeev
            The United States is not a military adversary of the PRC. But it is the largest trading partner ..

            Germany in the spring of 1941 was the most important partner of the USSR. However, then no country was able to independently conduct an offensive war against the USSR. Now no one except the United States is capable of waging an offensive war against the PRC and does not declare its desire to restrain the PRC. The experience of Japan says that having become one rich and independent, it continues to be a military ally of the United States and provides its territory under US bases. South Korea too. No economic cooperation with South Korea will outweigh the costs if US bases appear north of Pyongyang. Therefore, if in the PRC leaders are not stupid, they would prefer the unification of Korea under the leadership of Pyongyang. Until 1970-1975, the northerners were more dynamic than the southerners, and now they are much more effective in fighting the coronovirus. Therefore, it makes sense for China to protect the DPRK from both southerners and the United States.
            1. Zeev Zeev
              Zeev Zeev 21 May 2020 05: 56 New
              0
              Do you really think that the PRC will support the poor fat man?
              1. strannik1985
                strannik1985 21 May 2020 06: 18 New
                +1
                They have no other choice. The DPRK itself is of no interest to anyone; it was designated an enemy long before the creation of nuclear weapons; South Korea is making the greatest efforts to preserve the DPRK.
                1. Zeev Zeev
                  Zeev Zeev 21 May 2020 06: 22 New
                  0
                  Korea doesn’t need a neighbor capable of shelling Seoul with artillery.
                  1. strannik1985
                    strannik1985 21 May 2020 06: 43 New
                    +2
                    And therefore, the Law on National Bank is in force in the Republic of Kazakhstan, according to which all North Koreans are separatists, for owning the works of Kim Il Sung is a prison, for performing North Korean songs you can get from 3 to 7 years in prison and the same loss of rights. And also, the Republic of Kazakhstan and the United States annually conduct exercises with the participation of 200-300 thousand South Korean high-class people, of course, such measures contribute to the development of peace in the region laughing
                    1. Zeev Zeev
                      Zeev Zeev 21 May 2020 07: 51 New
                      -1
                      We remember who started the Korean war, right?
              2. gsev
                gsev 24 May 2020 01: 34 New
                0
                Quote: Zeev Zeev
                Do you really think that the PRC will support the poor fat man?

                Dear Kim Jong-un much more successfully organized the fight against coronavirus than the leadership of Israel, Russia, China or the United States. There were no problems with biological protective equipment and the medical system did not enter into a stupor from overload. I think that the DPRK will say more about itself.
        2. svp67
          svp67 20 May 2020 19: 30 New
          0
          Quote: Spade
          Because they are allies of the Americans, and in their territory there is a large group of troops threatening China.

          Yes, and the only one in such proximity to the territory of China.
    3. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey 20 May 2020 18: 21 New
      0
      do not reassure yourself, it’s dangerous to underestimate the enemy, what for do they want DPRK?
      1. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 20 May 2020 18: 36 New
        -3
        North Korea they do not need. But the elimination of the hotbed of tension that impedes business, and even that is the reason for the existence of American bases in Korea and Okinawa, on the contrary, will not hurt.
        1. gsev
          gsev 24 May 2020 01: 39 New
          0
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          reason for the existence of American bases in Korea and Okinawa

          The existence of the DPRK does not affect the desire of the United States to have bases in Okinawa and Kunashir. At one time, Japanese diplomats directly stated to the Soviet counterpart M. Kapitsa that the transfer of the Kuril Islands to Japan would not contribute to the development of equal trade between the USSR and Japan or Japan's investments in the Soviet Far East.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 20 May 2020 18: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: 75Sergey
        what for them DPRK?

        Allies.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 20 May 2020 16: 46 New
    +1
    Fighting in the mountains, one of the most difficult tactical techniques, and then tanks. Does it look like China is hinting to someone?
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 20 May 2020 16: 55 New
    +1
    Do the Chinese also want a small victorious war? With their mattresses, they can now only crush a conditional opponent by mountains of corpses. For, the war in the mountains for armored vehicles always ends with a bunch of burnt military equipment, and mountains of corpses.
  • strannik1985
    strannik1985 20 May 2020 17: 06 New
    +2
    I wonder why the author declared the lack of protection?
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 20 May 2020 17: 09 New
    +2
    If the very conditional adversary with whom it was to enter the battle did not “expect” a tank column in open space (as envisioned by the legend of the exercises), but took up positions at dominant heights, then it is likely that most of the tanks would be in fiery a trap with all the ensuing consequences for them and for their crews. In this regard, the Chinese tank exercises and their legend, according to which the enemy expected an offensive where he had no chance, look very strange. The strange thing is that tank columns advanced in the mountains even without reconnaissance. What kind of "assessment of the situation" in the course of the exercises is mentioned by the brigade command is not entirely clear.

    But the Chinese tankmen were in medical masks ...
    A strange paragraph, so I will analyze it point by point.
    If the very conditional adversary with whom it was to enter the battle did not “expect” a tank column in open space (as envisioned by the legend of the exercises), but took up positions at dominant heights, then it is likely that most of the tanks would be in fiery a trap with all the ensuing consequences for them and for their crews.
    This is normal when a bold plan appears in the headquarters and the local army team manages to relatively quietly pull up the shock mobile groups to the breakthrough point. Then the “did not expect” effect is manifested, and the advanced detachment wedges itself into the enemy’s defense like a knife in oil, knocking down small barriers.
    . In this regard, the Chinese tank exercises and their legend, according to which the enemy expected an offensive where he had no chance, look very strange.
    This is a classic of military art --- "tread across the marshy swamps
    Byelorussia, "and not head-on to a multi-lane fortification system supported by a network of developed rocky roads on which the enemy’s mobile reserve sits with the task of counterattack. Turning to modernity and realities, there is nothing strange anymore. If we take into account the military ability of China’s closest neighbors confront the Chinese on the battlefield, the PLA army can relatively easily make mountain gorges / related to roads / passable for their own forces. The first step in Chinese strategy can be preventive strikes on clusters enemy troops and their infrastructure, followed by the seizure of battle crests and passes by airborne forces and the so-called "creeping" special forces.
    It is also strange that tank columns advanced in the mountains even without reconnaissance.
    Too little information to say so unconditionally. The passage of such a brigade can be supported by intelligence of the highest level / with the use of all available means /, or the brigade can simply conduct military guard of its own orders. Well, too short information in the article to categorically state one or another.
    But the Chinese tankmen were in medical masks ...
    I don’t see anything wrong with this. If a virus is rampant on the planet, then elementary protection measures will certainly not harm.
  • cniza
    cniza 20 May 2020 17: 23 New
    +3
    In this regard, the Chinese tank exercises and their legend, according to which the enemy expected an offensive where he had no chance, look very strange.


    I understand everything, and the article is for us to criticize the Chinese, and where is the confidence that this is true.
  • Andvigor
    Andvigor 20 May 2020 17: 31 New
    +2
    Dalai Llama from the virus decided to save ?!
  • 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 20 May 2020 18: 17 New
    +1
    Something the legend of the teachings looks like it’s like China is going to “liberate” Russia.
    What will we answer?
  • Real Vugluskr
    Real Vugluskr 20 May 2020 20: 28 New
    0
    The Chinese checked if I can drive at all
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 20 May 2020 20: 33 New
    0
    Aerial reconnaissance is difficult, there is no thicker green. What du-cancer in the open area will meet all this armor? He will burn the whole column in these corridors to hell with dogs. Unless of course a couple of hundreds of thousands of infantry in front of the tanks will not run, combing the area. So this is generally absurd.
  • Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin 20 May 2020 20: 40 New
    0
    Hills and mountains blocked their visibility and they made a march to their deep rear, and then suddenly, it turned out that "their deep rear" is a front line, therefore, having turned around from a column, they began to attack the "enemy".
    Well, what happens and not so they are prepared for the unexpected.
  • Victor Dubrovsky
    Victor Dubrovsky 22 May 2020 08: 11 New
    0
    Unfortunately, and very often doctrines take place with the initial opinion that the adversary is blind, deaf and generally complete ... :(