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How the word "corporal" is translated: to the 80th anniversary of the restoration of the title in our country

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How the word "corporal" is translated: to the 80th anniversary of the restoration of the title in our country

The system of military ranks has long been established in many armies of the world. The Russian Armed Forces in this case are no exception. At the same time, this is a surprising thing: not all “carriers” of ranks are aware of where their rank came from and what it generally means. Agree, it’s somewhat wrong to wear epaulettes, but have no idea what was originally invested in the name. It’s about the same as living on a street named after someone’s honor, but not having a clue about who this person was.


Today, a little talk about the title, which already sounds about foreign origin with its sound, is a corporal. What kind of word is that?

In fact, the Russian language has tried. He transformed the German Gefreiter (gefreyter) into what is already familiar to our ear today. The translation of the word "Gefreiter" into Russian is "liberated." In this way, in the military formations of the German lands they began to designate an ordinary, who, due to certain qualities, began to be freed from "dirty" work. Everything is simple - the ordinary was freed from work, and therefore he is also “liberated”.

The word entrenched in the German military table approximately in the middle of the XNUMXth century. Well, then, when Russia opened a window to Europe and in many ways adopted the European military regulations and ranking types (including Prussian versions), it migrated in a new way to our military soil.

An interesting fact: having appeared in Russia in a military “linguistic” way in the final phase of the Northern War, the word “gefreitor” (“corporal”) existed in this very routine for only about five years. Officially, it is believed that it did not take root. However, today it can be stated that it was not the word that took root at all, but the military rank itself. The fact is that in the Petrine era, dividing into several “ranks” even the rank and file was unusual, uncomfortable, and banal expensive.

Subsequently, "gefreitory" reappeared in the Russian Imperial Army - in the era of Paul I. Then it again then was removed from the military table, then transformed, then replaced by analogues. The name of the “special soldier” constantly changed until the October Revolution, when it was at all recognized as “counter-revolutionary” and abolished.

In 2020, the rank of corporal marks the 80th anniversary of its restoration. In 1940, the command decided that the rank and file, who particularly distinguished themselves in mastering military affairs, showed themselves in a special way during the service, you need to assign a rank that would stimulate them and at the same time not remove them from the hierarchy of the rank and file.

And for 80 years now, soldiers with a braid have been serving in the vast expanses of our country and, I want to believe, now they certainly know what their rank means in Russian.
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  1. forest1
    forest1 20 May 2020 12: 23 New
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    In general, it is normal not to know the etymology of a word. This process is called de-etymologization. And it is absolutely necessary for the formation of derivative words and the formation of new meanings of the word. While a word in the minds of a native speaker is not de-etymologized from it, it is very difficult to form new word forms and enrich the language. Most of the natural enrichment of the language without borrowing by and large is replenished by various de-etymologizations. Yes, and army corporals are better off not saying that they are released, it can lead to problems with a misinterpretation.
    1. Vladimir16
      Vladimir16 20 May 2020 12: 34 New
      -60
      Better to have a prostitute's daughter than a corporal's son.
      That’s what they said during the time of my service. laughing
      The politicians and the Komsomol were very fond of giving this title to informers for the distinction in "service."
      1. Far East
        Far East 20 May 2020 12: 41 New
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        (The politicians and the Komsomol were very fond of giving this title to informers for distinction in the "service".) Vladimir16 (Vladimir) wassat is ill?
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          1. Shkodnik65
            Shkodnik65 20 May 2020 13: 30 New
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            military unit 21230, 75 ORO, autumn of 1988. I personally witnessed how Private Charyev threw up a fit of hysteria, why he was not assigned a corporal upon his dismissal. The man really believed that he was humiliated by this, undeservedly underestimated. And all because the company commander, Mr. Padalitsa Alexander Sergeevich, put the case in such a way that corporals were appropriated in fact in the case. Corporal in authority were, the title was to receive prestigiously. For corporal fought. There was a whole ritual developed. Well, the point is not that, the point is that the saying about the prostitute and corporal came up with, well, let's say, people of a distant mind, with the letter "d". The corporal is an excellent soldier and if in part this question is posed from such a point of view, the rank does not cause any rejection, only pride, as the sign "excellent student of the Air Force." And if in part the zonal laws with bullying, scuffle and humiliation prevail, then why be surprised, similar expressions about prostitutes and informers appear.
            1. orionvitt
              orionvitt 20 May 2020 15: 43 New
              +2
              Quote: Shkodnik65
              Corporal in authority were, the title was to receive prestigious

              In fact, the rank of "corporal" meant "trained soldier," because he was freed from dirty work. For it wasn’t for a good soldier to pick dirt. This is from the story. In the Soviet Army, everyone worked. But to leave the reserve as an ordinary, yes, it was considered, if not a disgrace, then close to it ..
              1. Ryaruav
                Ryaruav 20 May 2020 18: 19 New
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                do you think the majority of conscripts went to the reserve with shame? most of the rank and file and rank and file won the war, but how did the little things give it differently, someone immediately fell into the sergeant’s training for what merits?
                1. orionvitt
                  orionvitt 20 May 2020 19: 01 New
                  +7
                  Yes, ordinary soldiers won the war as well. The conversation is about the Soviet army. The saying about the corporal’s son and daughter with reduced social responsibility was invented by those who went to the reserve as ordinary soldiers. If you do not have enough intelligence, or zeal, to at least become a corporal, then they begin to justify, invent humiliating sayings. As for the sergeant training, they also did not take anyone from the flashlight. No wonder the military commissariats demanded characteristics from the place of work or study. Or do you think no one has read them?
                  1. Ryaruav
                    Ryaruav 20 May 2020 19: 16 New
                    +4
                    Are you serious? I finished shmas and I clearly saw who the military commissariats and the distribution center in the balachers sent, shmas to the kusars (this is all Azerbaijan), so two local men managed to get into the Su-15 rulo with me, more than half of the cadets didn’t like to go to the 6th grade in a new way, he was with us from the Stavropol Territory with a combine operator, then the rain of medals passed on them and they gave him, they left him a sergeant, although he must be in the 6th grade, is this aviation not infantry, and where is the selection?
                    1. orionvitt
                      orionvitt 21 May 2020 13: 21 New
                      0
                      Quote: Ryaruav
                      managed to get two local

                      About the local military registration and enlistment offices in the "fraternal republics", this is a separate conversation. Two rams and you are a sergeant.
                    2. IL-64
                      IL-64 22 May 2020 12: 23 New
                      0
                      At the end of the third year of the physics department of Moscow State University, after a two year military department (air defense of the country), I had a friend who fell into the USSR Armed Forces (for gouging), who was sent to the construction battalion. And it would seem that a valuable shot for a sergeant school in the Air Defense or Radioengineering forces. Well, he got a junior sergeant in the construction battalion, got it, really)))
                      1. orionvitt
                        orionvitt 22 May 2020 13: 31 New
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                        Quote: IL-64
                        caught in the USSR Armed Forces (for gouging),

                        So you yourself write, "for gouging." Or do you think that from the place of study at the military registration and enlistment office the characteristic was not received? They looked at the military registration and enlistment office and quickly determined that in the country's air defense, gouging is not needed. And then you wonder why the construction battalion. For example, my brother, after the first year of the institute, immediately got into the ShMAS, and after the service (a lot of thanks from the command as the best aviation gunsmith of the regiment), he completely returned to the second year. No one is offended by anyone. The only thing that is not clear is why they raided the army if the institute had a military department.
                      2. mmaxx
                        mmaxx 22 May 2020 16: 19 New
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                        This is our way. The person had drives in mentovka for turbulent youth, so get a construction battalion. Where else would the university’s knowledge come in handy? Let the Uzbeks / Tajiks serve in normal troops. Those at least NATO countries will learn Russian in 2 years. Well, and swear to learn. This is necessary.
                2. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 20 May 2020 23: 40 New
                  -3
                  Quote: orionvitt
                  Yes, ordinary soldiers won the war as well.

                  There is such a saying: "The generals win the war, and the soldiers lose," you probably haven’t heard about it, so you have such a derogatory attitude towards ordinary soldiers ... most of any army are ordinary soldiers .... now in n. at. getting the same corporal is even more difficult, because it will not be given in the absence of a position (operator of the ATGM, MANPADS, etc.) ... It is not advantageous for the Party and the Government to have a large number of sergeants and corporal officers on contract, unlike "conscripts" they will have to pay normal money for the post ....
                  We go the other way, for example, the youngest 8th OA (on the border of the former USSR), it includes one famous 150th MSD, and so it seems to me that in this OA (at its headquarters, there are more generals and peninsulas than sergeants in the entire MSD of this Army) ...
                  1. Aag
                    Aag 21 May 2020 05: 36 New
                    +1
                    "getting the same corporal is even more difficult, because he will not be given in the absence of a position (operator of anti-tank systems, MANPADS, etc.)." ...
                    The rank of corporal in the SA just could, and was awarded in the absence of sergeant posts.
                    And: those or other posts are occupied by ALL / employees (except those outside the state), including ordinary ones. hi
                  2. hydrox
                    hydrox 21 May 2020 10: 31 New
                    0
                    But what if it is a cropped army?
                  3. ccsr
                    ccsr 21 May 2020 12: 50 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Lara Croft
                    example the youngest 8th OA

                    How “young” she is if she stood in the GSVG for many years after the war, and then she was one of the first to be taken out.
                    Quote: Lara Croft
                    it consists of one famous 150th MSD, and so it seems to me that in this OA (at its headquarters, there are more generals and regiments than sergeants in the entire MSD of this Army) ...

                    There can be no more full-time posts, so there is no need to speculate. You simply have no idea how the whole army will be staffed, even in the near future, so there is no need to consider the command staff. In 1941, we drank heavily, due to the fact that there were not enough staff officers for the newly formed units, and we had to appoint those who were not ready for this.
                    Quote: Lara Croft
                    It is not profitable for the Party and the Government to have a large number of sergeants and corporal servant employees under the contract,

                    This is a misconception - on the contrary, a contract army can reduce training costs, while the quality of contract soldiers is higher than that of conscripts. With modern weapons, a one-year conscript is simply a ballast for the armed forces, and in general it is not clear why they still have not completely transferred to the contract army.
                    1. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft 21 May 2020 14: 03 New
                      -4
                      [quote = ccsr] [quote = Lara Croft] example is the youngest 8th OA [/ quote]
                      What is she "young" if she stood in the GSVG for many years after the war, and then she was one of the first to withdraw. [quote = Lara Croft] [/ quote]
                      And then it was disbanded ...
                      [quote] In 1992, the army was withdrawn to the North Caucasus Military District. On the basis of the command of the army and the headquarters of the 34th Army Corps, the 8th Guards Army Corps was formed. Major General Lev Rokhlin became its commander. The corps successfully operated in the first Chechen campaign. But in 1998, after the death of the general, he was disbanded. [/ Quote]
                      https://topwar.ru/111200-v-vs-rf-formiruetsya-8-ya-obschevoyskovaya-armiya.html
                      They began to form again in 2017. due to "Ukrainian events"
                      [quote] According to Izvestia, according to the decision of the leadership of the armed forces of the Russian Federation, the formation of the 8th combined arms army in the Southern Military District began. [/ quote]
                      see there
                      [quote] In 1941, we drank heavily, due to the fact that there were not enough staff officers for newly formed units, and we had to appoint those who were not ready for this. [/ quote]
                      When you shoot an experienced commander "as an enemy of the people", is it any wonder that when you replace him with a former com. the regiment is also experienced, the fighting efficiency of the division is somewhat reduced, and when you put the new commander (former commander’s regiment) “against the wall” (along with a couple of commander’s regiments of this division) you should not be surprised that the former leader who survived the division. com regiment and his former appointments. com baht on the post com. regiment that this division will operate unsuccessfully in the initial conditions of the Second World War with the rapidly changing operational environment and lack of communications ....
                      Compare the command staff of the Wehrmacht before the start of the Second World War, in the highest posts were hereditary soldiers, aged 50-60 years, who did not know such a thing as interrogation .....
                      Having lost 5 million people killed and captured in border battles, the backbone of the entire cadre army, we were able to grow new cadres and learn to fight no earlier than the 43rd year ....
                      The Soviet people in WWII won not because of, but in spite of ....
                      There were less professionals to be put on the wall, then there wouldn’t be any losses due to their lack ....
                      [quote] This is a fallacy - on the contrary, a contract army can reduce training costs [/ quote]
                      Which financial college did you graduate from?
                      [quote] the quality of the contractors is higher than that of the draftees
                      Tell this to the Israeli Jews and our officers who saw in the PFV and PFV that they are fighting the same way ...
                      [quote] With modern weapons, a one-year conscript is simply a ballast for the armed forces, and in general it is not clear why they still have not completely transferred to the contract army [/ quote]
                      Why it is understandable to have a military-trained reserve, because Russia is constantly at war and always will be ....
                      Passing the "term" (truth 2 years), I did not feel like a ballast, I was listed as AK and SVD and I knew them well, it all depends not only on the student, but also on the teacher ...
                      Having now increased its service life to 1,5 years (I think it is inevitable), the Russian Federation will receive aircraft of about 1,5 million people. By increasing its service life to 2 years, the aircraft will become 2 million people. The empiricists will think that Russia wants to return to myself what I previously presented to my "little brothers" under the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR ...
                      I read in a book that peacetime forces cannot exceed 1% of their population in numbers, otherwise the economy will collapse ....
                      Accordingly, the term "term" in the RF Armed Forces will be a maximum of 1,5 years or 2, but then the war ...
                    2. ccsr
                      ccsr 21 May 2020 14: 26 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      They began to form again in 2017.

                      So this is not a newly created army, but having its own combat history - this is how it differs from armies that do not have one.
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      When you shoot an experienced commander "as an enemy of the people", is it any wonder

                      Enough to carry nonsense - in a large-scale war, a huge contingent is being called up and the army grows several times, that's why there were not enough personnel. The fact that there were repressions, no one denies how disastrous for the army, but the total number of repressed did not affect the total number of all officers of the pre-war period.
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      The Soviet people in WWII won not because of, but in spite of ....

                      Everything is clear with you - you are from the "memorial", but they have no faith.
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      Which financial college did you graduate from?

                      I’m a military engineer by training, but you didn’t command military personnel for a single day in the army, especially if he works on the most complicated equipment.
                      If you taught them, and corrected their jambs during the service, then you would not have sung like that.
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      I was passing "urgent" (true 2 years) I did not feel like a ballast

                      Now they serve a year - you are not in the subject. I’m just talking about these soldiers, because in a year it’s impossible to qualitatively train a soldier.
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      I read in a book that peacetime forces cannot exceed 1% of their population in numbers, otherwise the economy will collapse ....

                      They didn’t read those books, because they more precisely determine the number of citizens per one soldier in peace and wartime.
                    3. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft 21 May 2020 17: 39 New
                      -4
                      Quote: ccsr
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      They began to form again in 2017.

                      So this is not a newly created army, but having its own combat history - this is how it differs from armies that do not have one.

                      Since 1992, she was gone, 25 years old, now (in 2017) the need arose .... accordingly, of the newly formed, she is the youngest ...
                      Stop talking nonsense

                      Dad, why are you so cheeky or you’ve decided to become bold ... so that I don’t drink significance before my wife, go and see the Nobel laureate ... or you run into an insult to be banned ....
                      the total number of repressed did not significantly affect the total number of all officers of the pre-war period

                      You apparently taught history poorly, if you do not know that general military duty in the USSR appeared two years before the start of the Second World War, and accordingly the army after that increased many times ....
                      I did not write about the lack of officers, I wrote about their quality, because for the most part, experienced ones were put to the wall, what the hell to the taxpayer, a crowd of officers who did not know about military affairs, unlike the Napoleonic invasion, where the RI Army did not allow itself to be defeated in border battles and lost less than the French in the first World War ... lay all on the Western borders of the USSR and a simple taxpayer in peacetime paying army taxes, he himself had to fight ....
                      27 million dead Soviet people, including civilians, this is the price of unprofessionalism of the military-political leadership of the USSR and its officer corps ...
                      China lost 35 million people, but he didn’t spend as much money on defense as we did ...
                      Everything is clear with you - you are from the "memorial", but they have no faith.

                      I have no idea who you are writing about, you haven’t written anything in your favor only in others. Go away some topic ... wander and go ...
                      but you didn’t command a single day in the army
                      how do you know, served with me, or something, and private acting maybe ... a commander ...
                      Wrong books read

                      And who are you to determine whether I read or not, give advice to your children and wife, L. Gard, a recognized military historian and analyst in the military world ..... when you write the analogue "Indirect Action Strategy" you write me ... .
                    4. ccsr
                      ccsr 21 May 2020 19: 05 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      You apparently taught history poorly, if you do not know that general military duty in the USSR appeared two years before the start of the Second World War, and accordingly the army after that increased many times ....

                      Firstly, not repeatedly, but only 2,7 times in comparison with 1939. In any case, in two years it was impossible to cover the shortage of officers with such an army, not to mention the fact that the newly-drafted ones should be trained qualitatively. Secondly, in two years it is impossible even to create a barracks fund, which means that the military personnel will be busy not with military training, but with the arrangement of troops, and this is known to military professionals.
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      I didn’t write about the lack of officers, I wrote about their quality,

                      With a shortage of officers, it is impossible to organize the training process, especially in complex military specialties.
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      27 million dead Soviet people, including civilians, this is the price of unprofessionalism of the military-political leadership of the USSR and its officer corps ...

                      Again, lying in the style of "memorials" - and after the defeat of Germany, we could destroy twenty million Germans in our concentration camps, and then the losses would be equal.

                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      how do you know, served with me, or something, and private acting maybe ... a commander ...

                      By the nonsense that you state here it’s immediately obvious what you are.
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      write to me ....

                      I obey sir!
                      Just roll your lip first.
                    5. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft 21 May 2020 20: 18 New
                      -4
                      Quote: ccsr
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      You apparently taught history poorly, if you do not know that general military duty in the USSR appeared two years before the start of the Second World War, and accordingly the army after that increased many times ....

                      Firstly, not repeatedly, but only 2,7 times in comparison with 1939. In any case, in two years it was impossible to cover the shortage of officers with such an army, not to mention the fact that the newly-drafted ones should be trained qualitatively. Secondly, in two years it is impossible even to create a barracks fund, which means that the military personnel will be busy not with military training, but with the arrangement of troops, and this is known to military professionals.

                      You have strange logic, first put thousands of experienced officers and generals against the wall, and then rely on the fact that there is no one and no one to train someone .....
                      With a shortage of officers, it is impossible to organize the training process, especially in complex military specialties.

                      The reason for the lack and impossibility of organizing, read above ...
                      Again, lying in the style of "memorials" - and after the defeat of Germany, we could destroy twenty million Germans in our concentration camps, and then the losses would be equal.

                      This is what the "wise guy" wrote, we have 27 million people died in German concentration camps .... read how many Germans died during the Second World War ....
                      By the nonsense that you state here it’s immediately obvious what you are.

                      And you there to your nonsense ....
                      I obey sir!

                      Another thing....

                      Let's not cough, "military technical specialist" and watch the springs in your combat couch .... time to lose with you is useless and stupid .... because in essence, you couldn’t say anything ... but talking to trolls is stupid, but you won’t get anything except flooding ...
                      Just roll your lip first.

                      Come roll up to your wife ....
                    6. ccsr
                      ccsr 21 May 2020 20: 59 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      You have strange logic, first put thousands of experienced officers and generals against the wall, and then rely on the fact that there is no one and no one to train someone .....

                      You might think that in our country only one Vlasov became a traitor during the war.
                      Although I do not think that the perpetrators should have been destroyed, then there were such laws, and the scoundrels sometimes knocked out confessions under torture. So it's not for you to judge that time, you are our “memorial” - cry in someone else’s vest.
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      The reason for the lack and impossibility of organizing, read above ...

                      This is not a reason, but the usual nonsense of the illiterate in military history.

                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      , we have 27 million people died in German concentration camps .... read how many Germans died during the Second World War ....

                      Enlighten the wise guy:
                      Total losses of the Armed Forces of the Soviet Union in manpower, for the period: June 1941 - May 1945

                      Killed in battle or died during the evacuation: 5 187 190
                      Mortally wounded (and died later): 1
                      Died of Disease: 541
                      Missing or captured: 4

                      http://armedman.ru/voennyie-kampanii/1937-1945-voennyie-kampanii/poteri-krasnoy-armii-v-velikoy-otechestvennoy-voyne-1941-1945-g-g.html
                      If you know how to count, then you will understand that the combat losses of the spacecraft were less than 7 million people, and 20 million were dead people, usually civilians and prisoners of war. And we could do the same with the Germans if we were tasked with killing them to free the lands.
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      .a talking to trolls is stupid, except for flooding you won’t get anything ...

                      You are a typical representative of the forum troll. Burn further "expert" in military history ...
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 22 May 2020 09: 36 New
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        I served the first half-year in a sergeant training in Antipih near Chita (fall 80 - spring 81). Kazakh Ariphan Spanov served in the company. Cool, in his own way, dude. Short, calm, with a gait of a teddy bear. In Russian I knew a maximum of words 30-40. When there was a "small demobilization" everyone was awarded the rank of junior sergeant. Spanov too.
    2. Oleg2003
      Oleg2003 20 May 2020 22: 43 New
      +1
      most?
    3. businessv
      businessv 21 May 2020 20: 40 New
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      Quote: Ryaruav
      someone immediately got into sergeant training for what merits?
      It’s immediately obvious that you weren’t in the training! No merit, colleague! After training, there were troops, and there is no difference who you are in rank, but there is a difference who you are in knowledge! In training, knowledge was given, this is the essence of training! Merits came later - on knowledge and service!
  2. megabuhh
    megabuhh 21 May 2020 00: 27 New
    -1
    "pure epaulets - a clear conscience"
  3. Sakmagon
    Sakmagon 21 May 2020 08: 49 New
    +2
    It’s not a shame! By the way, in the army, among the boobies and times .. guilds, there was a saying - "pure shoulder straps - a clear conscience." It is all about “knowledge” (or rather, ignorance of laws).
    The fact is that in the troops flew "bullet" - The corporal ("the best soldier"), like the foreman ("the best sergeant") after the demobilization, is called up for training every five years (some cormorants are generally about eight). Therefore, the aforementioned freaks, having muffled the bastard for 2 years, tried to get away with a demobilization lol Well, not the laws to read, in fact.
    Dembel - they are also different
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 21 May 2020 10: 36 New
      +2
      The one on the right is especially remarkable: I wonder why the little boy received the Order of the Battle Red Banner, which was given not to any officer?
    2. mmaxx
      mmaxx 22 May 2020 16: 16 New
      0
      Corporals are not here. Or corporal for demobilization senior sergeant’s tag glued?
  4. Mamuka Petrovich
    Mamuka Petrovich 21 May 2020 10: 17 New
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    In our unit, the corporal was designated as a senior soldier.
  5. alex967
    alex967 21 May 2020 18: 48 New
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    Pure shoulder straps, a clear conscience.
    We said so.
  • AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 20 May 2020 16: 41 New
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    Quote: Shkodnik65
    military unit 21230,

    It seems from one “locker” -21221. laughing
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 20 May 2020 18: 34 New
    -7
    I don’t know if it’s true or not, but persistent rumors circulated that corporals and foremen after the service were not being called up for training. Therefore, upon dismissal, some tried by hook or by crook to get this title. But in a military ID. It was considered a zapadlo to wear one. All who had such a title went with clean shoulder straps. We have. Everywhere in ZabVO, where he was and heard from friends. We didn’t have such a thing about informers, we didn’t hear it and it wasn’t presented like that. But the fact that the rank of corporal was extremely prestigious is for sure. Unlike the Germans, there was no such advantage in the service in the SA. Sending a sergeant to corporal is like a lieutenant to junior lieutenant. And minus the campaign, officers or those who did not serve.
    1. Altona
      Altona 20 May 2020 20: 44 New
      +7
      Quote: mmaxx
      And minus the campaign, officers or those who did not serve.

      -----------------
      Well, I had the rank of corporal, because the position was corporal. This title was received about three months after training and went with this title for almost a year. The last six months, you could get a junior sergeant and quit this rank. Signal corporal corporal, perhaps the most common title, as the class with the length of service is also growing, that is, growing. Somehow I never bothered about what regalia on my uniform.
      1. vsdvs
        vsdvs 20 May 2020 20: 53 New
        +4
        In our regiment of communications, a senior specialist (at least a telegraph operator, at least ZASovets), the position was corporal and, accordingly, was assigned.
        1. Altona
          Altona 20 May 2020 20: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: vsdvs
          In our regiment of communications, a senior specialist (at least a telegraph operator, at least ZASovets), the position was corporal and, accordingly, was assigned.

          -----------------
          I actually was ZASovets. So you understand me perfectly.
        2. naburkin
          naburkin 21 May 2020 18: 17 New
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          We have in the Navy, too, a senior specialist, a senior sailor. The position in the military man was written like this: "senior specialist in ship communications" Just, from the bulldozer, they didn’t give a peck. Maybe that's why the “senior sailor” did not cause any and no one’s negative;
      2. mmaxx
        mmaxx 21 May 2020 01: 39 New
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        Position and title are two different things. Pay more on the post. It's about shoulder straps. In our area, wearing was avoided by all means, even with a rank.
    2. megabuhh
      megabuhh 21 May 2020 00: 43 New
      +2
      The corporal could receive good servant training and academic success in six months and receive a sergeant, and for a demobilization and sergeant ... provided that there were no comments and mistakes.
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx 21 May 2020 01: 41 New
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        Well, ml. sergeant on the demobilization - this is not cool.
  • UEPE
    UEPE 20 May 2020 20: 57 New
    0
    military unit 55244, 84-86 Tomsk-7. Personally refused the rank of corporal, in front of whom. regiment, for which he received 7 days of garrison arrest.
    P / S. wanted to afghan.
  • Volodin
    Volodin 20 May 2020 13: 50 New
    22
    Quote: Vladimir16
    But you either knocked yourself or corporal.
    The politicians and the Komsomol were very fond of giving this title to informers for the distinction in the "service" ..

    Hmmm ... Apparently, a person’s personal experience does not give rest ...

    It’s not a rank (certainly), but a person.

    Other senior officers knock on each other more clearly in front of their superiors. Why, in such a case, is this the title conferred, can you tell me?
    1. AVTOHTON
      AVTOHTON 20 May 2020 13: 58 New
      +5
      Quote: Volodin
      Hmmm ... Apparently, a person’s personal experience does not give rest ...

      Also noticed this .. hi
    2. Altona
      Altona 20 May 2020 20: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: Volodin
      Other senior officers knock on each other more clearly in front of their superiors.

      -------------------------
      My sergeant knocked willingly. True, he was from Ternopil Oblast, from Zborov. That is, from Western Ukraine.
  • Far East
    Far East 20 May 2020 13: 57 New
    10
    (But you either knocked yourself or corporal) hear, VASIL! was a corporal, and sho !? DMB sergeant Zhytomyr (Ukraine-USSR) you sit at the "clave" KNO! for such words on ......... lu beat, it hurts! you are in kind VASEC! I ask normal, no offense! It DOESN'T APPLY TO YOU.
  • scrap123
    scrap123 20 May 2020 14: 59 New
    +1
    it just got himself, was demoted from sergeant to corporal, but he never put on a tag, and for that they gave him five days.
  • Tusv
    Tusv 20 May 2020 16: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: Vladimir16
    And the peak of sadism was the demotion of the sergeant to corporal.

    And the peak of sadism was to send the objectionable to the provincial division
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 20 May 2020 18: 35 New
      -2
      This is just bullshit. You cannot send further Siberia))).
      1. naburkin
        naburkin 21 May 2020 18: 22 New
        0
        How to say . We were referred to Zmeinny Island, a piece of rock in the sea, and even a radar was poked. Siberia will seem like a paradise.
  • megabuhh
    megabuhh 21 May 2020 00: 31 New
    +1
    do you yourself understand what nonsense are you talking about? Corporal is the best soldier, many sought to earn this title! but not by squealing, but by knowledge and skills!
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 20 May 2020 13: 01 New
    35
    It was in the early 2000s. They didn’t send us sergeants, they raised them. The problem was to remove him from office if he could not cope. Since it was possible to demolish a junior sergeant to an ordinary only by a court decision, and to place a junior sergeant as an ordinary, the system did not allow it, they did so. First, the best soldiers were assigned the corporal and the best were appointed to the post of squad leader. I did not manage, back to the rank of private. We set the next corporal. He looked like a corporal, worked, justified the trust, the younger sergeant is on you.
    The best sergeants for demobilization grew to senior sergeants and foremen and quit with recommendations for out-of-competition admission to the university.
    Therefore, in our part, being a corporal was prestigious and promising.
    1. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik 20 May 2020 13: 59 New
      13
      And it happened so that they gave the corporal, and he drank the squad all the way to demobilization.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 20 May 2020 16: 22 New
        0
        Quote: Knizhnik
        And it happened so that they gave the corporal, and he drank the squad all the way to demobilization.

        Oh, it's like now. Obligations and rights before a fig, but ЗП the same hi
        1. Altona
          Altona 20 May 2020 20: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: Tusv
          Obligations and rights before a fig, but ЗП the same

          ------------------
          In the Soviet army, monetary allowance was a ruble more. 8 rubles.
      2. Lynx2000
        Lynx2000 20 May 2020 23: 26 New
        0
        Quote: Knizhnik
        And it happened so that they gave the corporal, and he drank the squad all the way to demobilization.

        That is what happened so often. Sometimes an ordinary soldier as an excellent soldier could be acting squads.
      3. mmaxx
        mmaxx 21 May 2020 01: 44 New
        0
        This is generally bestiality on the part of the commanders.
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 20 May 2020 18: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: vladimirvn
      Since it was possible to demolish a junior sergeant to a private only by a court decision,

      This is not so - it was done by order of commanders of a certain rank for any misconduct. It was just that they couldn’t naturally deviate at will.
      Quote: vladimirvn
      and junior sergeant put in the rank of private, the system did not allow, did so.

      It was possible to do this too - he would receive an additional payment for the post if everything was issued by order.
      Quote: vladimirvn
      They didn’t send us sergeants, they raised us.

      We also raised them ourselves, and the assignment of ranks was carried out by order of the unit commander. The best privates were selected, then they were separately prepared accelerated separately, and the ranks of junior sergeants were awarded.
      Quote: vladimirvn
      First, the best soldiers were assigned the corporal and the best were appointed to the post of squad leader. I did not manage, back to the rank of private.

      In my time, they were immediately selected so that they could handle it, otherwise it would be a waste of time. Especially when people are on combat alert, you learn better, and were practically not mistaken.
      Quote: vladimirvn
      The best sergeants for demobilization grew to senior sergeants and foremen and quit with recommendations for out-of-competition admission to the university.

      So those who served and so had privileges for admission, for them there was a quota - in my opinion, for one year. Recommendations were required for the device in some closed structures, then they usually came to our unit and asked for recommendations. In my memory, only one was refused extradition - he just served shitty, and when he wanted to go to work in the power structure, he was denied a positive certification, recalling his art.
      Quote: vladimirvn
      Therefore, in our part, being a corporal was prestigious and promising.

      There was one more nuance - as far as I know, corporals were almost rarely called for retraining at the military registration and enlistment office many years after the demobilization, considering that they did not need retraining. Well, they paid too.
      1. vladimirvn
        vladimirvn 20 May 2020 21: 59 New
        0
        Quote: ccsr
        This is not so - it was done by order of commanders of a certain rank for any misconduct. It was just that they couldn’t naturally deviate at will.

        Reduce in military rank, maybe a commander of a certain rank. But to deprive primary[i] [/ i of the military rank, such as Jr. sergeant or junior lieutenant or ensign, can only court.
        Quote: ccsr
        It was possible to do this too - he would receive an additional payment for the post if everything was issued by order.

        It was impossible to put a sergeant in the ranks of an ordinary soldier. This is a violation of staff discipline and the prosecutor’s office strictly monitored this.
        Quote: ccsr
        In my time, they were immediately selected so that they could handle it, otherwise it would be a waste of time.

        It happened in different ways. Sometimes a sergeant famously started, and then jambs went on or he lost his authority. It’s more expensive to hold such positions, it’s easier to put another corporal.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 21 May 2020 12: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: vladimirvn
          Reduce in military rank, maybe a commander of a certain rank. But to deprive the primary [i] [/ i military rank, such as Jr. sergeant or junior lieutenant or ensign, can only court.

          You are probably confusing something - the primary military rank of all conscripts and cadets who are drafted into the army. But then they can become anyone, but they can also lose all the received titles without a court decision - by orders of various chiefs up to the Minister of Defense. The court has nothing to do with it, although according to its decision, officers can be deprived of their rank and made ordinary.
          Quote: vladimirvn
          It was impossible to put a sergeant in the ranks of an ordinary soldier. This is a violation of staff discipline and the prosecutor’s office strictly monitored this.

          I meant an ordinary, who could be ordered to become a corporal or sergeant, for some time without assignment. In such a situation, they would have paid for the position from the moment the order was issued.
          Quote: vladimirvn
          Sometimes a sergeant famously started, and then jambs went on or he lost his authority.

          I know that in our country the first foreman of the course was demoted from sergeants to cadets for misconduct, although he graduated like everyone else with a lieutenant.
          1. phair
            phair 21 May 2020 14: 06 New
            0
            I graduated from a medical case on the Leith ships ... Only the Supreme Council can appeal.
          2. vladimirvn
            vladimirvn 21 May 2020 14: 46 New
            0
            Regarding the deprivation of the primary military rank in different categories, it was verified by practice and more than one court decision. As well as the instructions of the prosecutor to eliminate violations. Well, I will not argue. hi
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 21 May 2020 19: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: vladimirvn
              Regarding the deprivation of the primary military rank in different categories, it was verified by practice and more than one court decision.

              As far as I remember, they were deprived of their primary titles in court when the gravity of the crime exceeded the possibility of being sent to a disbath for up to two years and sentenced persons were sent to ordinary prisons for long periods. Those who fell into the battalion as an ordinary soldier did not lose their ranks and after serving returned to their former duty station as ordinary soldiers.
        2. mmaxx
          mmaxx 21 May 2020 14: 41 New
          +1
          You famously bent. Half of the sergeants after training went to ordinary posts or corporal. Nothing wrong. Assigned to command, after it turned out to prove itself. Sometimes and never.
      2. hohkn
        hohkn 21 May 2020 19: 07 New
        0
        Quote: ccsr
        So those who served and so had privileges for admission, for them there was a quota - in my opinion, for one year.

        For two years. I remember exactly. He acted after the army.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 21 May 2020 20: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: hohkn
          For two years. I remember exactly. He acted after the army.

          It is possible that two - I just forgot. I remember those who wanted to study came to us for recommendations, or immediately asked for a description when they quit in the spring and knew what they would go to college.
    3. UEPE
      UEPE 20 May 2020 22: 45 New
      0
      It is logical!
      p / s. here admins wrote add .... because they briefly ...
      Brevity is the sister of talent (I don’t remember who said)
  • Sklendarka
    Sklendarka 20 May 2020 13: 14 New
    -9
    Vladimir is just healthy ..
    Interestingly, what did the naval say about the senior sailor?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 May 2020 13: 25 New
      +7
      Quote: Skalendarka
      Interestingly, what did the naval say about the senior sailor?

      There they took it calmly.
    2. Senior seaman
      Senior seaman 20 May 2020 15: 56 New
      +7
      Interestingly, what did the naval say about the senior sailor?

      They said: "The senior sailor in the navy, like a general in the infantry!"
    3. Altona
      Altona 20 May 2020 20: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Skalendarka
      Interestingly, what did the naval say about the senior sailor?

      -------------------
      Ranks in the fleet always had some kind of brutality as they say now. That is, it is very cool. laughing
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 21 May 2020 13: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Altona
        Ranks in the fleet always had some kind of brutality as they say now.

        Especially brutal sailor was my classmate, who was the only one who entered the marine school in marine uniform. It was Georgian Nugzar Tsertsvadze, the driver of a tanker in a regiment or base of the naval aviation of the Black Sea Fleet - in general, even the head of the department, Armenian Colonel Davidyan respected him.
        1. Altona
          Altona 21 May 2020 13: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: ccsr
          It was Georgian Nugzar Tsertsvadze, the driver of a tanker in a regiment or base of the naval aviation of the Black Sea Fleet - in general, even the head of the department, Armenian Colonel Davidyan respected him.

          ------------------------------
          I had a neighbor on the porch, the deputy commissar of the city, Major Gyulumyan, and his son, by the way, entered the quartermaster's school. This was an interesting shot, he and I traveled by train to pick mushrooms and nuts — I, my father, he and there are still a couple of people. Okay, this is not about that. A friend of mine served in the Crimea, in the Navy, but was actually a land hunter, since their unit served the KSR-5 cruise missiles (with atomic equipment) that were suspended from the Tu-16, which were supposed to attack the AUG with the latest Nimitz at the time "and generally control the 6th fleet in the Mediterranean and all that. In general, my acquaintance returned from military service to his native military registration and enlistment office to register and comrade major wrote him on a military military registration card - the commander of the cruise missile division. So, no more and no less.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 21 May 2020 14: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: Altona
            and Comrade Major wrote to him on a military ID card - the commander of the winged missile branch. So, no more and no less.

            The prankster was this major from the military enlistment office - either he specially missed the words “commander of the support platoon department” or “commander of the service platoon department”, or the record did not fit, and he slightly shortened the text.
        2. naburkin
          naburkin 21 May 2020 18: 35 New
          +1
          In naval aviation, two-year-olds served, epaulets and blue carriages. Although many with DMB tried to slap blacks, it was fraught with a meeting with the “black militants”. And their ranks above the sailor were land.
    4. UEPE
      UEPE 20 May 2020 22: 48 New
      0
      There the topic is different. Fine, specificity - you can fly overboard.
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 20 May 2020 12: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir16
    That’s what they said during the time of my service.

    Mine too. It got to the point that the promise to petition for a “nozzle” on the epaulette had a serious educational effect - they preferred to remain ordinary. but starting with Junior Sergeant it was already considered prestigious. During my service as a platoon corporal, only two were given and there was a woman - a contract soldier with the rank of senior soldier - but that one didn’t care for prejudice
    1. vvvjak
      vvvjak 20 May 2020 12: 45 New
      10
      We just didn’t wear a “string”. A company under threat of deprivation of anything (demobilization, dismissal, innocence in a particularly sophisticated form) once forced to fasten a drill from the headquarters and then for a couple of hours.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 20 May 2020 12: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: vvvjak
        We just didn’t wear a “string”. A company under threat of deprivation of anything (demobilization, dismissal, innocence in a particularly sophisticated form) once forced to fasten a drill from the headquarters and then for a couple of hours.

        It happened, but this was not very clear for the company authority. They made it easier for us - they went on a flight, and such that they couldn’t get above the platoon, then either the divisional commander or the brigade commander deprived the pilot of the convoy before the formation to the great joy.
        1. vvvjak
          vvvjak 20 May 2020 13: 16 New
          +3
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          but the company authority didn’t see it very well

          Yes, no, it was just that the check was very заб заб енная "",, еще еще, and the еще gond ... chicks ’had to file the whole brigade. “Uncles” arrived with big caps, built the entire unit and selectively pulled out the fighters for a thorough check up to the thread with needles.
        2. UEPE
          UEPE 20 May 2020 22: 51 New
          +1
          I confirm, I did it myself ..., the current in front of the regiment.
    2. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 20 May 2020 13: 15 New
      0
      Especially before the demobilization promised, "snot hang"
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 May 2020 13: 29 New
        +5
        Quote: Skalendarka

        Especially before the demobilization promised, "snot hang"

        Since Soviet times, there were those who loved this title.
        1. Sklendarka
          Sklendarka 20 May 2020 14: 35 New
          +1
          Type-Ukrainian without a string that without people ...
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 20 May 2020 15: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Skalendarka
            Type-Ukrainian without a string that without people
            All this is without the "type".
          2. Sklendarka
            Sklendarka 20 May 2020 16: 27 New
            +3
            The Ukrainian is on guard, and his mother came to him. I decided to go to the son on guard.
            - Wait, who's coming?
            - It's me..
            Wait, I’ll shoot !!!
            - Sunku, it's me, your matsi ...
            Baabah !!!
            Six months pass, the Ukrainian stands on guard, cleans the medal with his sleeve and condemns, the tattoo promised to come ...
          3. Altona
            Altona 20 May 2020 20: 53 New
            +3
            Quote: Skalendarka
            Type-Ukrainian without a string that without people ...

            -----------------
            It is rather a stereotype, I knew one sergeant who lost his sergeant rank before demobilization on the fly. And nothing, he was not particularly complex about this.
            1. phair
              phair 21 May 2020 14: 15 New
              0
              Petya Kurenkov went all the way to the sailor from the chief marshal. Tinkle.
    3. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 20 May 2020 14: 37 New
      0
      Well, they compared, they served absolutely different armies ... DMB79.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 20 May 2020 15: 11 New
    +6
    Quote: Vladimir16
    Better to have a prostitute's daughter than a corporal's son.
    That’s what they said during the time of my service. laughing
    The politicians and the Komsomol were very fond of giving this title to informers for the distinction in "service."

    The usual envy.
    Corporal - "the most trained soldier", foreman - "the most trained sergeant"
    Accordingly, they were then pulled to the training camp much less often than the rest
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 20 May 2020 18: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: Spade
      Accordingly, they were then pulled to the training camp much less often than the rest

      Exactly, that’s why many who knew about this from the military enlistment offices, tried to get demoted as a corporal.
  • Tusv
    Tusv 20 May 2020 16: 11 New
    +3
    Quote: Vladimir16
    The politicians and the Komsomol were very fond of giving this title to informers for the distinction in "service."

    And they gave him to me for tapping on control targets as needed. With removal, azimuth and altitude in conditions of complete electronic warfare. We fixed the aircraft permanently then. But byad is a chagrin. He earned the title, but said no what
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 20 May 2020 17: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Tusv
      in conditions of complete electronic warfare.

      which year?
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 20 May 2020 18: 39 New
        +1
        Grandfather hi 88-89. Ethylene. Liepaja Guards three times Red Banner, Order of Suvorov and Kutuzov Air Defense Brigade
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 20 May 2020 18: 40 New
          0
          Quote: Tusv
          Grandfather hi 88-89. Ethylene. Liepaja Guards three times Red Banner, Order of Suvorov and Kutuzov Air Defense Brigade

          got it hi80-82 gdr
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 20 May 2020 18: 51 New
            0
            Quote: Dead Day
            got it. hi80-82 gdr

            Also Paramilitary? If in the GDR, it’s right along the land border of NATO, which is much more complicated. We had room and badges of the excellent pupil of the border guard for 250 databases gave excellent
  • major147
    major147 20 May 2020 17: 01 New
    10
    Quote: Vladimir16
    Better to have a prostitute's daughter than a corporal's son.

    Less to you from the former corporal! tongue
  • Kathernik
    Kathernik 20 May 2020 17: 42 New
    +5
    I remember this saying, but it doesn’t belong to the fleet. The senior sailor is a respected person, especially on boats, because foreman is often a midshipman's position. So, the senior sailor in the fleet, that the general is in the infantry! )))
  • Grandpa Vasya
    Grandpa Vasya 20 May 2020 17: 53 New
    +8
    Everything you wrote here looks like the delirium of a smoked youngster. I served from 1966 to 1969 in the infantry, 245 motorized rifle regiment. Our corporal was not snitches, probably like you, but senior shooters, because they owned AK-47 assault rifles with night sights. This was according to the table of ranks.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 20 May 2020 18: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: Grandfather Vasya
      I served from 1966 to 1969 in the infantry, 245 motorized rifle regiment. Our corporal was not snitches, probably like you, but senior shooters, because they owned AK-47 assault rifles with night sights. This was according to the table of ranks.

      My brother at the same time, when the last call of three years was served, was a corporal in the air defense forces of the country, and there it was the position of senior operator, if my memory serves me right.
      1. Altona
        Altona 20 May 2020 21: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: ccsr
        Corporal in the air defense forces of the country, and there it was the position of senior operator

        -----------------------
        The corporal in air defense is probably the most common title, since a lot of equipment needs to be mastered.
      2. Vladislav Lisin
        Vladislav Lisin 21 May 2020 06: 47 New
        0
        PRO, senior operator. DNB 88. The corporal received for the skill. Class 1. Resists, but they said either on vacation as a corporal, or ...) I have never been to training camps.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 21 May 2020 12: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Vladislav Lisin
          I have never been to training camps.

          But my brother served on the first line of defense of the country's air defense, and after nine months of training he was distributed in a unit, thirty kilometers from home, and several times he was called up for training in this unit, at his own workplace for retraining. He was registered with the military registration and enlistment office as a primary conscript, and in Soviet times this was monitored, so the air defense took this seriously.
  • bk316
    bk316 20 May 2020 18: 08 New
    -1
    By itself. Already in the training course a shameful title. We were given (as if without nationalism)
    MIDDLE ASIANS. They went out in Russian 10 words (sergeant barracks is a big man) charter thing is indescribable and the tool shaitan machine is better not to approach. And the truth is better laughing in our platoon, one head was sent by a hyacinth (I’m not joking - I decided to see where the projectile is stuck), it broke two legs (we got up on the frame during the shooting)

    And in terms of normal spices immediately (well, practically) ml. sergeants were given, it would not be offensive to serve as a corporal.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 20 May 2020 19: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: bk316
      MIDDLE ASIANS. They went out in Russian 10 words

      You should see the Central Asians twist the handle while reloading the launchers. No, chock is not Russian, it's not about them hi
      1. bk316
        bk316 20 May 2020 20: 37 New
        +2
        You should see the Central Asians twist the handle while reloading the launchers.

        Saw. laughing Charging ones are nothing. Yes, only the Mulinsky training course issues gun commanders. hi And the loaders do not finish the training at all.

        In general, in our unit there was a fairy tale. That whom should be Russian, a gunner a Jew, and charging Tajiks. We had just such a calculation, all the time we took prizes, and the standards for rate of fire and for deployment were one and a half times blocked. I won’t say anything. Tajiks made a big contribution. Yes, only after training in part it was not in training, but in part what you want to learn at least Russian even Chinese. laughing
  • Andrey Bespalov
    Andrey Bespalov 20 May 2020 20: 11 New
    -3
    I like people with great generalization abilities. For example, in one locality where I visited, Vladimir was given to children with congenital developmental disabilities so that children would not feel disadvantaged by nature. Those who survived to adulthood were sent to the army, where they were loved by the political leaders and the Komsomol. And under communism, all wives will be common.
  • sedoj
    sedoj 20 May 2020 21: 00 New
    +3
    Quote: Vladimir16
    The politicians and the Komsomol were very fond of giving this title to informers for the distinction in "service."

    Since when have the Komsomol members been able to assign ranks? And in general - in the motorized rifle unit, after training, the rank of corporal was awarded to mechanic-drivers and gunner-operators of infantry fighting vehicles. In the department, the corporal was also a senior shooter. The corporal could also be a sniper.
  • vavilon
    vavilon 21 May 2020 20: 00 New
    0
    Such statements could only be afforded by ordinary soldiers, probably because of envy of their colleagues, and in our Soviet army they said: “soldier without bastards that man is without testicles” like that !!))
  • mister-red
    mister-red 21 May 2020 21: 52 New
    0
    They didn’t leave for demobilization, they automatically received another affair.
    At the expense of informers do not know.
  • iouris
    iouris 20 May 2020 13: 08 New
    +4
    Quote: forest1
    In general, it’s normal not to know the etymology

    Etymology from dr. ἔτυμον - truth, the main meaning of the word. It is not normal to NOT know the basic meaning of a word.
    1. forest1
      forest1 20 May 2020 13: 25 New
      0
      Linguists will not agree with you. In any case, we live in a de-etymologized world. And it will always be so. And the meaning of the word is not truth, but convention.
      1. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 20 May 2020 13: 48 New
        +3
        But I don’t understand why gefreiter is better than befreite? I dug up all translators, there is no single translation.
      2. iouris
        iouris 20 May 2020 18: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: forest1
        the meaning of the word is not truth, but convention

        The meaning of a word is meaningful information. Behind the term (word) is a concept. Through concepts, we are connected with objective science. The development (refinement) of concepts is the task of science.
        The approach you are pulling is characteristic of cargo civilization. I grieve!
    2. sevryuk
      sevryuk 20 May 2020 14: 11 New
      +1
      This is the etymology of the etymology itself smile Values ​​change frequently. By the way, the German word itself goes back to the Latin exemptus (excluded from the list of soldiers obliged to carry out military service)
      1. phair
        phair 21 May 2020 14: 22 New
        0
        Borders, they are. Or gefrey. Or a sneijant.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 20 May 2020 15: 54 New
    +2
    Quote: forest1
    This process is called de-etymologization. And it is absolutely necessary for the formation of derivative words and the formation of new meanings of the word. While the word in the minds of a native speaker is not de-etymologized from it very difficult to form new word forms and enrich language.
    You are the Soros bastard. Are you putting us a pig? fool It is not knowing the etymology of words that it is impossible and difficult to form new word forms and enrich the language. Otherwise, words will be introduced into the circulation, and the language will be contaminated by terrible neoplasms.
    It's a shame, gentlemen. (8+) threw themselves into foreign meanness. Do you think they will teach us what good? negative
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 20 May 2020 18: 40 New
      -2
      Nothing wrong with our language will happen. Otherwise, everything would be in Church Slavonic botali.
      There is a word in general a masterpiece - a Zeichhaus. And in German - zoyghaus. So understand the twists of the tongue. And where is whose.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 21 May 2020 04: 02 New
        0
        Quote: mmaxx
        So understand the twists of the tongue. And where is whose.
        By the way, Orwell writes:
        we must realize that modern political chaos is associated with the degradation of the language, and then the Political language (this can be attributed to almost all political parties, beginning with the conservatives and ending with the anarchists) was created to make the lie look believable, and it forces us to forget about all decency , admit unshakable truth that is pure nonsense.
        Very curious, also WIKI
        The words "Communist International" bring to mind a complex picture: the worldwide human fraternity, red flags, barricades, Karl Marx, the Paris Commune. The word "Comintern" recalls only a firmly welded organization and a rigid system of doctrines. It refers to an object as easily recognizable and as limited in purpose as a table or chair. “Comintern” is a word that can be uttered without thinking, while “Communist International” makes you think for a moment, but think.

        In Soviet propaganda, the word "Nazism" was actually the equivalent of "German fascism", although initially it was "national socialism"
  • sniperino
    sniperino 20 May 2020 21: 58 New
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    Quote: forest1
    While a word in the minds of a native speaker is not de-etymologized from it, it is very difficult to form new word forms and enrich the language.
    Could you give an example of enriching a language with a new word form due to de-etymologization. The etymological connections of almost all the examples found in the course of the Dictionary of Linguistic Terms are completely transparent to me:
    a) nouns: fork (lost contact with the word pitchfork), bag (compare: fur), powder (compare: gunpowder), porch (compare: wing), capital (compare: table);
    b) adjectives: blue (lost connection with the word dove), brown (cf .: cinnamon), dense (cf: flesh), durable (cf: proc);
    c) verbs: to paint (lost connection with the word beauty), to like (cf .: temper), to be angry (cf .: heart), to be able (cf: mind).
    Someone lost? In what place had to be lost for enrichment to take place, and not vice versa? I see in this process only a flattening of understanding of speech. Saving understanding as protection against overproduction of information? I don’t see development anyway, only the degradation of the language towards the formation of associative speech connections of the type "Joseph Kobzon speaks ... without an ensemble ... a sambly ... alone ...".
    1. forest1
      forest1 21 May 2020 03: 22 New
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      You still say that you without special knowledge know what tomorrow came from the expression “in the morning” and the doctor came from the fact that the first doctors treated with conspiracies. And the etymology "architect" was obvious to you without a dictionary
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 21 May 2020 07: 35 New
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        Quote: forest1
        You still say that you know without special knowledge
        I will not say. I have dictionaries of Preobrazhensky, Vasmer and Trubetskoy in my library, and I worked with them for several years. All the examples you give are transparent, except for the architect. It is not heard here, but it may be a matter of my hearing and a limited active vocabulary.
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 21 May 2020 07: 43 New
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          Quote: sniperino
          "architect"
          Naturally!
          here "stone wall"
          I didn’t know such a word. In most cases, I think this is an active vocabulary and the installation of perception of the etymological connections of keywords in speech (not available in Russian classes at school).
        2. forest1
          forest1 21 May 2020 08: 28 New
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          If you worked with them here it is clear. This means de-etymologization of a simple native speaker. Not everyone works with such dictionaries; for the majority, everything here is not obvious. The most important thing is that the etymology is not obvious in everyday use if you do not think
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 21 May 2020 08: 41 New
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            Quote: forest1
            Not everyone works with such dictionaries.
            It seems to me that the installation is more important than the skill of working with the dictionary, as it launches the search for connections, which contributes to the translation of the passive vocabulary into an asset, stimulates the use of the dictionary. The main transitions (-o-to -e, etc.) are being studied. There are all conditions for the formation of such an attitude in the school course, except, possibly, for the methodological training of teachers.
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 21 May 2020 07: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: forest1
        you without special knowledge know what tomorrow came from the expression "in the morning"
        If Pushkin is “special knowledge” ...
        In the morning you remember the blizzard was angry, In the muddy sky the haze was rushing ...
        1. forest1
          forest1 21 May 2020 08: 33 New
          -1
          Remember tomorrow, the blizzard was angry .... Don't you think that sounds crazy for tomorrow? And here we are not talking about tomorrow, but about the past tense?
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 21 May 2020 09: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: forest1
            Don't you think that sounds crazy for tomorrow?
            In the classroom at least one, let the teacher ask what “morning” is. After the teacher explains, the connection “tomorrow”, “breakfast” with the time that comes “in the morning” will open, and the mentioned setting will help to consolidate it. Do you think this will interfere with the speech development of children? Then you need to reduce the alphabet to two letters and let figachat binary code.
            1. forest1
              forest1 21 May 2020 09: 11 New
              +1
              I do not remember this at least. This is not obvious to me.
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 21 May 2020 09: 41 New
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                Quote: forest1
                I do not remember this at least.
                The teacher himself must ask who knows what the "morning" is, if the children do not, otherwise, what does he teach them. So that they mechanically memorize? An alphabet of 2 letters to help him! The binary code instead of Esperanto could solve the problem that people had in connection with the construction of the Tower of Babel if they still had an understanding of what the tower was for.
                1. forest1
                  forest1 21 May 2020 09: 44 New
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                  This word has an obvious meaning - "during this morning." Why explain it. But the fact that tomorrow it is somewhere right there would not have occurred to me for example. I learned this from the Internet. In the same way, we say “this and that happened in a day, I managed to do my homework in the evening” and it would never occur to anyone to think that the conversation might be about the time not yet come. and there’s no talk about it. The meaning of breakfast I explained to myself intuitively easier - this is what begins with "tomorrow". The fact that I buried the word there in the morning no later than yesterday. (Yes, in general I have a native Russian, I speak it, why should I poke around in etymology, here I am teaching Latin and English etymology, because I only learn to speak English and etymology helps I remember new words to me, through associations)
                  1. sniperino
                    sniperino 22 May 2020 09: 22 New
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                    Quote: forest1
                    This word has an obvious meaning - "during this morning"
                    Where does today's come from?
                    It's getting dark. Everybody was ready
                    Zautra fight to start a new one
                    And stand to the end ..
                    nipaluchaetstso
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              1. sniperino
                sniperino 21 May 2020 10: 11 New
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                Quote: forest1
                the end and the beginning go back to the same Indo-European root
                It is logical, because there is no beginning without end, they come from the same root (to admit, I have not heard it) and appear in the language at the same time, directing understanding to ascend to the concrete through the dialectic of the unity and struggle of opposites. Now it doesn’t work, but what new and useful word forms have appeared through a change in the root base beyond recognition? Continuous degradation, nmv.
        2. forest1
          forest1 21 May 2020 09: 08 New
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          TOMORROW
          Old Russian - in the morning.
          In written monuments of the Old Russian period, this word occurs from the XI century. The initial value (“during the morning”) eventually transformed into the value “during the next morning, i.e. tomorrow".
          Derivative: tomorrow.
          Here we see a good example of getting a new word through de-etymologization. When the initial value deethimolized and the term appeared tomorrow. Until it was de-demolished, getting another is almost impossible. Etymology firmly ties the meaning of the word to any subject and the displacement of meaning is difficult.
          Similarly, the English words host (host) and guest (guest) came from the same Indo-European root ghos-ti-. But because of their de-etymologization, two words came from one (though through borrowing from Latin they have completely opposite meanings)
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 21 May 2020 09: 25 New
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            Quote: forest1
            an example of getting a new word through de-etymologization
            Not this way.
            Until it was de-demolished, getting another is almost impossible
            On the contrary. Tomorrow is a more abstract concept; “in the morning” - concretizes the time when this “tomorrow” begins, enriches it with a transition from abstract to concrete, but does not complicate word formation in concretizing the time of breakfast, matinee, etc.
            1. forest1
              forest1 21 May 2020 09: 29 New
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              Tomorrow the concept is quite concrete - this is the day following the current. Everything else is linguophrism, you with these concepts will not be correctly understood. Although this is your business, how do you communicate. All languages ​​are what they are. They went through a centuries-old develop and transformed to the needs of the media. You have no option to impose your point of view en masse.
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 21 May 2020 10: 53 New
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                Quote: forest1
                You don’t have an option to impose your point of view en masse.
                You too, praise be to the Almighty! Your point of view is not reflected in the best way on the style and semantics of your speech.
              2. sniperino
                sniperino 22 May 2020 09: 42 New
                -1
                Quote: forest1
                Tomorrow the concept is quite concrete - this is the day following the current. Everything else is linguophrism, you with these concepts will not be correctly understood.
                First, rake the landfill: distinguish (copy-paste is not necessary!) Abstract and concrete, then - the concept and meaning, after that spew any blasphemy, I can bear it. Tolerate illiteracy is harder.
              3. sniperino
                sniperino 22 May 2020 10: 10 New
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                Quote: forest1
                Tomorrow the concept is quite concrete - this is the day following the current.
                Hint: you give a meaning (denotation), but call it a "concept" (sign) and you are very pleased with your linguistic preparation. "Lingvofrichestvo," say ...
                1. sniperino
                  sniperino 22 May 2020 10: 46 New
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                  PS
                  Quote: sniperino
                  denotatus
                  It cannot be more specific or abstract than another vocabulary definition. Etymological connections exist only in the root of words and concepts, when they exist. And if they do not exist (melted along with de-etymologization), then we need to engage in self-development, and not copy-paste dictionary definitions.
                  1. sniperino
                    sniperino 22 May 2020 11: 21 New
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                    PPS
                    Quote: sniperino
                    It cannot be more specific or abstract than another vocabulary definition.
                    I’ll clarify: different meanings of one word can vary in degree of specificity due to different conceptual schemes used by their authors / communities, and denotations of different words (even homonyms) are not divided into abstract and concrete.
          2. sniperino
            sniperino 21 May 2020 10: 40 New
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            Quote: forest1
            When the initial value deethimolized and the term appeared tomorrow.
            Tomorrow is connected with the morning, the beginning, and yesterday - with the evening, the end. Etymone captures both the cyclical nature and (simultaneously!) The direction of time. All this is lost. But nothing earlier (before the loss of this connection, enriching the meaning of words) did not prevent to form the form of breakfast or evening.
  • saigon
    saigon 21 May 2020 13: 01 New
    0
    Corporal SA from Germany was more different than heaven from earth!
    A gefrayter in the German army could only be obtained after serving 4 years, since after two years of service, the rank of senior shooter was awarded and two years later the gefreytor.
    It should also be borne in mind the presence of several gefreytoryh titles.
    Also, in the German army, the gefreyter did not command anyone, for the command of the rifle department there were non-commissioned officers.
    So I don’t know about the release or liberated corporals in Germany there, the gefreiter there designated a well-trained soldier.
    And so, in continuation of the topic of borrowing foreign titles, the question is, why is the major older than the lieutenant, but the lieutenant general is older than the major general?
    The answer is simple to disgrace)))))).
  • Say Tooth
    Say Tooth 20 May 2020 12: 23 New
    +7
    The article is informative, interesting. As for the title itself, it is no secret that those around him ridicule it, and the media, that is, corporal themselves, do not appreciate it.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 20 May 2020 12: 28 New
      +3
      There is such a thing. The unpopular title. And the saying is appropriate. In our unit, they went off to the gunwind so as to spoil the characteristic and does not become corporal.
    2. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 20 May 2020 15: 00 New
      +7
      But there is one thing, “BUT,” the Hebrew half-payer for as many as SEVEN packs, “Prima” is more than a soldier-3,80 / 4,80
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 20 May 2020 15: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: Skalendarka
        Hebrew half-pack for the whole SEVEN packs, Prima, more than a soldier -3,80 / 4,80

        That's right ! A whole ruble was added for a tag! fellow
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 20 May 2020 17: 25 New
          +1
          I (three) were "assigned" on the day of the Air Force, in the evening they got a bit of a nap, caught a specialist ... a day later, they took off .... they sighed with relief. again "washed" without getting caught. lol 82g.
  • Operator
    Operator 20 May 2020 12: 24 New
    +1
    E-Freytor - electronic post-feed, vestimo laughing
    1. novel66
      novel66 20 May 2020 12: 26 New
      +4
      post-guard - groom? electronic groom ??
      1. Operator
        Operator 20 May 2020 12: 32 New
        0
        Joke of humor laughing
        1. novel66
          novel66 20 May 2020 12: 35 New
          +2
          I appreciated! good more jokes good and different !! lol
      2. Altona
        Altona 20 May 2020 21: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: novel xnumx
        post-guard - groom? electronic groom?

        ------------------------
        You now agree to the "horse electrician". laughing
        1. novel66
          novel66 20 May 2020 21: 07 New
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          And why not?
  • svp67
    svp67 20 May 2020 12: 30 New
    +6
    In 2020, the rank of corporal marks the 80th anniversary of its restoration. In 1940, the command decided that the rank and file, who particularly distinguished themselves in mastering military affairs, showed themselves in a special way during the service, you need to assign a rank that would stimulate them and at the same time not remove them from the hierarchy of the rank and file.
    And for 70 years now, soldiers with a braid have been serving in the vast expanses of our country and, I want to believe, now they certainly know what their rank means in Russian.

    Something I did not understand with arithmetic, the rank was restored 80 years ago, and the soldiers "wear" it 70 years?
  • BIABIA
    BIABIA 20 May 2020 12: 32 New
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    And here I’ve served as a corporal of the half-service. And so he quit. Normal title. We had a garrison of 20 people, all three scammers, one for the foreman, two squad leaders.
    1. AVTOHTON
      AVTOHTON 20 May 2020 14: 18 New
      0
      Quote: BIABIA
      And here I’ve served as a corporal of the half-service. And so he quit. Normal title. We had a garrison of 20 people, all three scammers, one for the foreman, two squad leaders.

      But probably the generals and checks .. soldier
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 20 May 2020 12: 46 New
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    The whole term 72-74 I was an ordinary, but in the corporal position. The extra scar was by no means superfluous. There were a couple of people in the company who liked to go around on this occasion and called me a Jewish man. I did not possess special skills in hand-to-hand combat and strength, but somehow I was in wait for them both in the Leninist room. The course of learning the correct pronunciation of the word, they completed quickly. True, it was then necessary to replace the frame in the portrait of Marshal Grechko. laughing
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 20 May 2020 14: 38 New
      +8
      Quote: A. Privalov
      The course of learning the correct pronunciation of the word, they completed quickly. True, it was then necessary to replace the frame in the portrait of Marshal Grechko. laughing

      The power of the right word is great! smile
      1. AVTOHTON
        AVTOHTON 20 May 2020 14: 46 New
        +5
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote: A. Privalov
        The course of learning the correct pronunciation of the word, they completed quickly. True, it was then necessary to replace the frame in the portrait of Marshal Grechko. laughing

        The power of the right word is great! smile

        laughing good The power of words in the Soviet army was very much appreciated and was hammered into the brain for centuries! soldier bully
    2. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 20 May 2020 21: 04 New
      -3
      Quote: A. Privalov
      The whole term 72-74 I was an ordinary, but in the corporal position. The extra scar was by no means superfluous. There were a couple of people in the company who liked to go around on this occasion and called me a Jewish man. I did not possess special skills in hand-to-hand combat and strength, but somehow I was in wait for them both in the Leninist room. The course of learning the correct pronunciation of the word, they completed quickly. True, it was then necessary to replace the frame in the portrait of Marshal Grechko. laughing

      I wonder what such a Jewish post?
      Komsorg ?, responsible for the release of the `` Combat leaflet? '', Oil cutter ????
      BNZ jokes, very interesting ...
      1. Altona
        Altona 20 May 2020 21: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: Skalendarka
        I wonder what such a Jewish post?

        ------------------------
        Senior mechanic, senior telephone operator, senior telegraph operator, senior radio operator (encoder, tablet player), senior shooter and so on. Ordinary corporal posts.
      2. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 21 May 2020 05: 35 New
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        Quote: Skalendarka
        Quote: A. Privalov
        The whole term 72-74 I was an ordinary, but in the corporal position. The extra scar was by no means superfluous. There were a couple of people in the company who liked to go around on this occasion and called me a Jewish man. I did not possess special skills in hand-to-hand combat and strength, but somehow I was in wait for them both in the Leninist room. The course of learning the correct pronunciation of the word, they completed quickly. True, it was then necessary to replace the frame in the portrait of Marshal Grechko. laughing

        I wonder what such a Jewish post?
        Komsorg ?, responsible for the release of the `` Combat leaflet? '', Oil cutter ????
        BNZ jokes, very interesting ...

        Senior movie radio mechanic. It just so happened that I started working at the age of 14. By the time he left the army, he had almost 4 years of working experience + courses on repair of radio equipment. In the army he continued to do the same. All my part was exclusively engaged in repair and adjustment of radio electronics.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 21 May 2020 09: 12 New
          -2
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Senior movie radio mechanic.

          Projectionist, clerk and bread-bo-rez! ©
          Sorry, could not resist. smile
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 21 May 2020 09: 34 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Quote: A. Privalov
            Senior movie radio mechanic.

            Projectionist, clerk and bread-bo-rez! ©
            Sorry, could not resist. smile

            There's nothing you can do. I did not invent VUS for myself.
            Senior film radio mechanics - ordinary in the corporal position were those who had some kind of education or experience in the specialty. The rest, from short courses of DOSAAF, etc., were not called either.
            But you can continue to quill here without any fear. You are far away, and I don’t have a portrait of Marshal Grechko. laughing hi
  • Old26
    Old26 20 May 2020 12: 58 New
    +8
    Quote: svp67
    Something I did not understand with arithmetic, the rank was restored 80 years ago, and the soldiers "wear" it 70 years?

    Sergei! What about arithmetic? In 1940 restored. Until the end of the 20th century - 60 years. Today is 2020. So 60 + 20 - everything is right - 80 years
  • AB
    AB 20 May 2020 13: 11 New
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    Here they write that it is better to have a daughter as a prostitute than the rank of corporal. Complete nonsense. In OPULAB, one of the calculation of the PKS machine gun, a corporal was necessarily assigned. Although at the shooting range both performed the same exercises. The whole difference was that the ordinary drags the machine and in DOS turns the Rakov machine. The attitude to the rank of all was absolutely adequate. Everyone knew that this was a step towards the fact that you can go on a demobilization junior sergeant. And the difference in monetary allowances, even in rubles (1976-1978), is also not bad.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 May 2020 13: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: AB
      The attitude to the rank of all was absolutely adequate.

      The army and corporal needed, and the general.
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 20 May 2020 13: 41 New
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        The army and corporal needed, and the general.
        ,,,that's for sure. yes And then they pounced. angry
        They even shot a movie fellow
        Seven brides of corporal Zbrueva
        1. BIABIA
          BIABIA 20 May 2020 14: 08 New
          +9
          "Hang up! Corporal Svyatkin shot all the tanks! "
          My favorite movie about the war is "Aty-bata, soldiers were walking"
      2. AVTOHTON
        AVTOHTON 20 May 2020 14: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: AB
        The attitude to the rank of all was absolutely adequate.

        The army and corporal needed, and the general.

        And it is desirable that smaller generals and professionalism are better for Vlad! soldier And then there were so many generals and admirals, even in the USSR, although the Army and Navy were many times more ..
  • akinfeeffr
    akinfeeffr 20 May 2020 13: 46 New
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    He began his service as a private soldier, finished as a foreman. When I was a corporal, it didn’t bother me at all.
    1. AVTOHTON
      AVTOHTON 20 May 2020 14: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: akinfeeffr
      He began his service as a private soldier, finished as a foreman. When I was a corporal, it didn’t bother me at all.

      In any Army, not ranks are important, but the ability to command and be human, especially if you command and know that you are sending a soldier to death, but you need to ... And he looked into his eyes, understanding that he was crawling to meet death .. hi
  • vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 20 May 2020 13: 55 New
    +6
    Finally, he found out what they called me in the Soviet Army. When the company commander, Comrade Captain Dmitry Osipovich Nikulin (who he loved and respected, a real military man, to the marrow of bones!), Drove me to the Komsomol, by appointing me to outfits without waiting in line, so that I thought my floors were in the barracks, and after a month the night vigil I surrendered, did not think that I - RELEASED.
  • vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 20 May 2020 14: 03 New
    +3
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: AB
    The attitude to the rank of all was absolutely adequate.

    The army and corporal needed, and the general.

    And, since there are more corporal in the army, therefore, corporal is more needed.
    1. Altona
      Altona 20 May 2020 21: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: vkd.dvk
      And, since there are more corporal in the army, therefore, corporal is more needed.

      ------------------------------
      In the army, a specialist is always more needed than a little trained cannon fodder. Air defense specialists, for example, could and can solve any civil problems-with electricity, communications, water, in general with equipment. Even the saying was "what is a military cable? Is it a former civilian killed."
  • RoTTor
    RoTTor 20 May 2020 14: 06 New
    +3
    In some higher educational institutions, the rank of corporal was awarded to students of excellence
    1. Senior seaman
      Senior seaman 20 May 2020 16: 01 New
      +1
      In the Navy there. At least when I served.
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 20 May 2020 18: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: RoTTor
      In some higher educational institutions, the rank of corporal was awarded to students of excellence

      And on the contrary, we had - corporal officers who went outside the general competition, as a rule, were appointed as unit commanders, and immediately received a junior sergeant. True, then some were removed, and others were appointed, i.e. freed sergeants appeared. During study, the rank of “corporal” was not assigned to the cadets - this was customary at our Higher School of Economics. There was a medalist in my group, so he was generally an ordinary cadet until his graduation.
  • vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 20 May 2020 14: 09 New
    +3
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: Skalendarka
    Interestingly, what did the naval say about the senior sailor?

    There they took it calmly.

    They didn’t take boobs into the fleet, although they leaked sometimes.
  • Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 20 May 2020 14: 19 New
    +3
    They were hard workers with us, there were always not enough sergeants, so they were either on duty, then on guard, or on guard, and they always asked like sergeants.
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 20 May 2020 14: 21 New
    -6
    The translation of the word "Gefreiter" into Russian is "liberated."

    Django Corporal. laughing
    And so, of course, yes. They threw a snot over their shoulder straps and right there the normal kid turns into, yuck - well, you, "especially a soldier." The nastiest breed.
  • Dima 27
    Dima 27 20 May 2020 14: 35 New
    -1
    We had one corporal in our company, as the company officer called him "police major"
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 20 May 2020 15: 27 New
    0
    I remember that during the years of my service there was an unofficial rank of "corporal" ... But now I don’t remember who they called it ... either corporal, or ml sergeant ... But actually, in our unit (battery management) the rank of "corporal" was very rare and gave it to drivers! Privates and sergeants - such was the "lot" for conscripts in our "purely" technical unit ...
    1. alexvdv78
      alexvdv78 20 May 2020 16: 00 New
      +2
      Corporal was called ml sergeant. We didn’t particularly chase corporals for not wearing reins on shoulder straps, but before marching meetings, a conversation was held without fail, so that the reeds would be in place. But after the show, epaulets were magically clear. But if comrade corporal decided to become an ordinary by flight, then very often he was taken note by the command and monitored the implementation of the rules for wearing the uniform. And if I came across without insignia, then very much began to regret it. But on the other hand, being a sergeant was much more for the corporal than for the ordinary. Therefore, who would not say that, but all the corporals wanted to get a ml. Sergeant and many did it
  • Oyo Sarkazmi
    Oyo Sarkazmi 20 May 2020 16: 40 New
    +5
    The author is a little in the know. The corporal is indeed "liberated." But freed from the barracks.
    When they served 25 years, a soldier in the last 5 years of service was allowed to marry and go home for the night, outside the unit (in peacetime, of course). In the last 5 years of service, soldiers have become corporal corporations automatically.
    1. gggdddsssccc
      gggdddsssccc 20 May 2020 16: 53 New
      +3
      it seems that not many people know where the word of soldier came from
      from the word "soldo", an Italian silver coin,
      no money no army, armies were from mercenaries.
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 20 May 2020 19: 28 New
        +2
        Here, too, cause and effect is a little confused. In the Italian principalities it was tight with silver and gold, so the mercenaries were paid with salt. Salt was expensive, so the mercenaries lived comfortably, also paying salt in taverns. That's why they got the nickname "soldier" - salty. When mercenaries received a salary in coins, a coin worth a pound of salt was called a soldier. That is, the soldier came from the soldiers, and not vice versa!
        1. gggdddsssccc
          gggdddsssccc 20 May 2020 21: 07 New
          +2
          nerd laughing the solido from the word solid, and the solid was called the gold coin of the Roman Empire, and not salt at all.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 20 May 2020 17: 25 New
    +3
    Among the Americans, the rank and file is even more ranked, not to mention the sergeant and warrant officers. This combination of ranks and classroom allowances gives a very tangible difference both in position and content, than skillful commanders should be able to use the unit (unit) to its full advantage.
    Unfortunately, the dull leveling that existed in the SA greatly discouraged the rank and file, sergeants, and warrant officers.
    That is, by itself, in terms of his qualities, the fighter could be very valuable and useful, able to teach / inspire others, but to distinguish him from a lazy decomposing subject could only be a plaque, photographing a part of the expanded banner, and 3-4 rubles of allowances for position / class. To restore social justice, the second type had to spend a lot of time thinking on the parade ground of the guardhouse (also, by the way, they borrowed the word from the Germans). But now, it seems that this has become a problem - the guardhouse is given by a court (? !!!), and not by the commander who is responsible for completing combat missions! This is absurd, definitely.
    1. reservist
      reservist 20 May 2020 18: 11 New
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      Well, you compared the hired army with the conscript ...
      Interestingly, does anyone in the draft armies have a system of ranks and allowances comparable to the American for rank and file?
      1. faterdom
        faterdom 20 May 2020 18: 31 New
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        In the belligerent army of the USSR, there was a very developed system of various allowances, including for service in the guard units, for example ... But that is after all the tyrant Stalin. And then the “thawer” Khrushchev not only that the army was almost destroyed by the famous Khrushchev reduction), but also brought a lot of muddy. In fact, the sergeant institute was destroyed, and then many common criminal norms and "traditions" penetrated and took root in the army.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 21 May 2020 01: 09 New
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        For Americans, this differentiation also existed when there was a call. Incidentally, they have not canceled it, but suspended it and can be resumed at any time.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 21 May 2020 01: 56 New
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          I once read that the Americans had the titles of peacetime and the titles of wartime (temporary ...). For example, someone had the rank of lieutenant of "peace" time, and in the army he bore the insignia of a captain (rank of wartime). In the event of a cessation of hostilities, the person again became a lieutenant. But among the measures to encourage military personnel during the period of hostilities was the assignment of the next "permanent" military rank (the title of "peace" time ...)
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 21 May 2020 06: 47 New
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            They do not have peacetime, but simply the permanent title, it goes clearly from the length of service, and the temporary one depends on what position you stand .. that is, they put the major on the regiment, he puts on the shoulder straps of the colonel, the next day, and while he is on the post they were transferred ... - again, major, if the constant length of service did not catch up to this time .. According to your logic, there is no moral issue, for example, but what does it mean that I am equal in rank or lower in rank ..
  • tolancop
    tolancop 20 May 2020 18: 34 New
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    Read. I did not learn anything new for myself. Comments are much more interesting ...
    As for the son of a corporal and a lady with a reduced responsibility - in the part in which I served this proverb I heard. This title among us was somehow not in honor, and no one had scored for it. However, they did not pursue sergeant ranks either ... And the rank of corporal, from my point of view, is superfluous. Assign it as a difference or punishment? Nonsense is complete. Celebrate the most trained soldiers? Especially nonsense, because without that those around knew who and what was worth. Improve the status of a soldier by assigning a rank? But who among conscripts looked at the ranks? Actually, it was not the one who had the most bastards on uniform, but who was capable of this command. Moreover, during my service the sergeant corps was ... to put it mildly, not very ... And often sergeants fell into the sergeants who did not have the ability or desire to command. And the result was appropriate.
    T.ch. the rank of corporal in the combat charter existed, but ... it would be better if he were not there .. Neither a soldier nor a sergeant, and so .... an incomprehensible substance. Maybe in some parts it was different, but in mine just like that.
  • tolancop
    tolancop 20 May 2020 18: 50 New
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    Quote: faterdom
    ....
    Unfortunately, the dull leveling that existed in the SA very discouraged the rank and file of the sergeant ....

    I totally agree. I was a sergeant. He lived in the same barracks, ate the same, worked the same ...
    And all the difference from my ordinary friends was in the number of sticks for the tricks of my ordinary comrades. I, as a sergeant, received them both for myself and "for that guy ...". Yes, there was still a difference in money ... so inconsequential that it is not worth mentioning.
    Quote: faterdom
    .... That is, by itself, in terms of his qualities, a fighter could be very valuable and useful, able to teach / inspire others, but to distinguish him from a lazy decomposing subject could only be a plaque, photographing a part of the expanded banner, and 3 -4 rubles of premiums for position / class .....

    For the first class, as far as I remember, the surcharge was 10 rubles. In any case, it was precisely this amount that the dates jammed with me when I was transferred to the reserve. The order on the part they are not, you see, found !!! I gave them this amount with a light heart, if only to get out of the unit as soon as possible.
    Quote: faterdom
    .... To restore social justice, the second type had to spend a lot of time thinking on the parade ground of the guardhouse (also, by the way, they borrowed the word from the Germans). But now, it seems that this has become a problem - the guardhouse is given by a court (? !!!), and not by the commander who is responsible for completing combat missions! This is absurd, definitely.

    About the guardhouse in general, the song .... In my garrison, to put a negligent guard on the guardhouse, the commandant had to bring 2 liters of alcohol. T.ch. sent there, if at all the person was loose in the region. And then ... options were possible ... They sent a welder to us (the commander did not regret 2 liters !!!). He returned not after 10 days, but after 15 (the commandant added 5 days). He returned ... To him: "Kolya, how is it? ....". And in response: “It's normal ... I have been heating them for 2 weeks from morning to night ... What’s here, what’s there. The food is the same. I slept worse than in the barracks, but it’s bearable. And they added me 5 days just to finish it in time ... "
    And the fact that the guardhouse through the court is very bad, because it undermines the unity of command and authority of the commander.
    But it seems that this nonsense has already been canceled?
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 20 May 2020 19: 05 New
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    In fact, the Russian language has tried. He transformed the German Gefreiter (gefreyter) into what is already familiar to our ear today. The translation of the word "Gefreiter" into Russian is "liberated."
    Nonsense, for one who has ears. Everyone knows the word Reitar (taken from German) Equestrian horseman, rider, mercenary, and therefore dexterous, very good at guns, and as a result privileged. The Gefreiter is an experienced, good, privileged infantry soldier. Translation of "Gefreiter" into Russian - as "liberated", nonsense. The title cannot come from privileges, it is from duties. Private (corresponding to the row, TTX), Colonel, Sergeant (fr. Sergent, from lat. Serviens - employee)
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 21 May 2020 02: 03 New
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Everyone knows the word Reitar (taken from German) Equestrian horseman, rider, mercenary, and therefore dexterous, very good at guns, and as a result privileged. The Gefreiter is an experienced, good, privileged infantry soldier. Translation of "Gefreiter" into Russian - as "liberated", nonsense.

      The word "reiter" comes from the German "ritter" (ritter); that is, a "knight"! Horseback warriors in armor began to be called reitars, which came to “replace” the knights!
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 21 May 2020 02: 49 New
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        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        "ritter" (ritter); that is, a "knight"

        So they found out that the corporal descended from a knight. And then "freed" from work, nonsense. repeat And note crap custom to the red datenegative All of VIKI author hollowed out.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 20 May 2020 21: 28 New
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    Quote: tolancop
    In my garrison, in order to put the negligent on the guardhouse, the commandant had to bring 2 liters of alcohol.

    Also a commander’s question. We also had an eternal shortage of places, but mine was always accepted out of competition. No alcohol. Therefore, my words “Three days of arrest” with immediate departure there cost much more than that of the neighboring companies. And the lip is not a resort, whoever says anything there. There are generally Gestapo in real life, there are “statutory” ones, there are stuffy Zindans and lice (in hot places), but they never give pleasure. N and terry "demobilization", nor the proud "eagle of the Caucasus."
    Ranks, by the way, were not listed in the combat Charter, but internal services were listed.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 21 May 2020 13: 28 New
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      Quote: faterdom
      N and terry "demobilization", nor the proud "eagle of the Caucasus."

      There are some recollections of those who served in the SA about the educational meaning of the lip:
      Of course, such dramatic changes in the human personality puzzled me a little: I would never have believed that a guardhouse could change a person in one day if he hadn’t seen it.

      full text:
      http://zapravdu.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2561&start=80
    2. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 21 May 2020 20: 49 New
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      Quote: faterdom
      Quote: tolancop
      In my garrison, in order to put the negligent on the guardhouse, the commandant had to bring 2 liters of alcohol.

      Also a commander’s question. We also had an eternal shortage of places, but mine was always accepted out of competition. No alcohol. Therefore, my words “Three days of arrest” with immediate departure there cost much more than that of the neighboring companies. And the lip is not a resort, whoever says anything there. There are generally Gestapo in real life, there are “statutory” ones, there are stuffy Zindans and lice (in hot places), but they never give pleasure. N and terry "demobilization", nor the proud "eagle of the Caucasus."
      Ranks, by the way, were not listed in the combat Charter, but internal services were listed.

      You’re right that in Aleshenka (Moscow Garrison Bay), that in Balashikha (Vvshnaya Bay) these are two big differences ... I tried it myself.
  • Ruby
    Ruby 20 May 2020 21: 37 New
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    Different parts have different traditions. I received the corporal after two months of service. It’s just that in the ShMAS all commanders of the departments were automatically given it.
    When it was distributed in part, then on the very first day he took off his baubles and never wore them again. It was not customary for us to wear them at all, although half of the personnel had them. Basically the same corporal after the ShMAS and a couple of junior sergeants.
    Well, our part was not big and peculiar, there were 15 officers and ensigns per one soldier in the region, and the commander looked at things like that very evenly. He was the main thing that would be done. Even at the garrison drill, no one was sewing anything. On business trips, the patrol several times dug up that there were no bastards and seemed to be ordinary. But on a business trip it was meant to fulfill the assignment of the General Staff and as a rule this was enough to lag behind.
    For the entire service, no one was promoted to a class or rank, nor did anyone carry badges at all except Komsomol. Moreover, almost all received an increased salary. By the end of the service, according to the job schedule, I was at the level of foreman of the company and received 36 rubles, despite the fact that the ordinary private allowance was 7 rubles.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 21 May 2020 02: 12 New
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      Quote: Yakut
      For the entire service, no one was promoted to a class or rank, nor did anyone carry badges at all except Komsomol. Moreover, almost all received an increased salary. By the end of the service, according to the job schedule, I was at the level of foreman of the company and received 36 rubles, despite the fact that the ordinary private allowance was 7 rubles.

      I had a sergeant’s rank and was in the position of head of the ZAS hardware department (position of ensign) ... plus surcharges for a “class 2 specialist”. It turned out very "robust"! In my opinion, only for the position of ensign received 22 rubles ... but in general, for all the "merits" it turned out somewhere around 26-28 re ... At the same time, the private soldier received 3p.80k.
      1. Ruby
        Ruby 21 May 2020 08: 38 New
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        A similar situation. I was the same in the ensign post. Senior photogrammetric decoder. In the 80s, 36 rubles in the army were very decent money. The rank and file received at that time 7. 5 rubles a salary and 2 rubles a tobacco allowance. And on business trips, the deducted film was also used by sellers of gramophone records. Someone older remembers the flexible records with which all kinds of shops traded. It turned out that film was the perfect material for them. Dembel prompted :)
  • Armored beast
    Armored beast 20 May 2020 23: 49 New
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    Quote: UEPE
    It is logical!
    p / s. here admins wrote add .... because they briefly ...
    Brevity is the sister of talent (I don’t remember who said)

    Anton Pavlovich Chekhov said this.
  • Borz
    Borz 21 May 2020 07: 51 New
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    He served 87-89, was awarded the rank of corporal after I entered the outfit as a company duty officer and took the sergeant’s weapon. At this time, the unit had a check from the brigade. And so, to the question of the inspecting colonel, who am I and what am I doing here, I reported that I am entering the outfit. The next question was to the battalion commander- "if a soldier serves well and walks dezh.po company, then why is he an ordinary?" So I became a corporal. And the sergeant left the reserve. Of course, jokes about corporals went, and Mosel at lunch on the day of assignment was handed over to freshly baked corporals (they were called "dogs", it was already instituted), but this was most likely a tribute to tradition and elementary envy. Because in our military rank the corporal gave some advantages and privileges.
  • certero
    certero 21 May 2020 07: 55 New
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    Quote: orionvitt
    But to leave the reserve as an ordinary, yes, it was considered, if not a disgrace, then close to

    Where was it considered? The vast majority of my friends returned from the army as ordinary soldiers.
  • naburkin
    naburkin 21 May 2020 17: 54 New
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    Hm. The fleet is easier, the senior sailor, and everything is clear)))
  • Diverter
    Diverter 22 May 2020 09: 13 New
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    We immediately wanted to leave corporal. Because only the corporal and foreman were not called up as partisans. Petty Officer is an excellent sergeant, Corporal is an excellent soldier.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 22 May 2020 10: 16 New
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    There are clearly enough "liberated" in any regular army, simply because the soldiers themselves in it carry out all the everyday functions that would be blamed by a feudal militia on some kind of military army, or servants, which means there are always clerical soldiers, soldiers, performing some work at the military unit location or beyond, and appointed senior at the same time. Accordingly, the terms and, possibly, formal ranks for their designation will appear.
  • Slon_on
    Slon_on 22 May 2020 11: 42 New
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    In the version that I had to learn about the history of the appearance of this title, “Gefreiter” is a soldier for the difference in service, freed from corporal punishment.