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Last Chinese warning or bluff? LDNR threatens Kiev with “offensive”

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On May 19, on Tuesday, the head of the LPR, Leonid Pasechnik, appealed to Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky with a request to stop shelling, destroying infrastructure in the north of the republic and fraught with the emergence of a humanitarian crisis. Otherwise, the head of the LPR threatened to drop Ukrainian troops from the demarcation line.

“... I want to appeal to the President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky with an urgent request to take measures to stop the unprovoked shelling of our territory, while providing appropriate security guarantees for repair work on critical civilian infrastructure. If such actions continue on the part of the EFU, you, Vladimir Aleksandrovich, will leave us no choice but to take effective and decisive measures to move the line of contact from the specified power line. In a similar way, we will be forced to act while continuing shelling of civilians and other critical life-support facilities. For these purposes, I have already given the relevant instructions on putting the militia units on alert, ”

- said Leonid Pasechnik.

There has not yet been an official response to the appeal, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already answered in their own way, on the night of Tuesday to Wednesday, continuing shelling of the territory of the LPR.

On the verge of collapse


The reason why Leonid Pasechnik made such a harsh statement (although it is unlikely that this is a personal initiative of the head of the LPR, not agreed with the higher authorities) is the infrastructure collapse that awaits many LPR cities if Kiev continues the systematic destruction of power lines and other important objects. The ancient power system, from which not only industry and the residential sector are fed, but also water utilities that provide almost half of the republic, has long been breathing its last, and constant shelling can finally finish it off. Which, in turn, is fraught with a real catastrophe, up to the spread of infectious diseases.

The existing reservoirs in the LPR are not enough. Therefore, the problem, if Kiev does not show goodwill, can be resolved exclusively by military methods.

Already on May 20, the head of the DPR Denis Pushilin made a similar statement, so it is likely that the conflict will extend to the entire demarcation line (all the more so since it is vital to push the APU for many cities and towns of the DPR). The whole question is how prepared in Lugansk and Donetsk for the decisive steps that the population of the republics have been waiting for so long.

Comedian got his way?


The Ukrainian show president played the aggravation initially, from the first days of his presidential term. It is not clear what exactly they achieved in Kiev and what they expected to receive: either new Minsk agreements on their own terms, or new “boilers” and, as a result, an attempt to once again tighten the screws inside the country and beg for money and military assistance from the West , as well as sanctions against Russia. Today with a high degree of probability it can be argued that Zelensky has achieved his goal. There is literally one step left so that the notorious agreements begin to cost less paper on which they are written.

In this situation, it is worth recognizing that the Donbass today is close to the bifurcation point. Especially after such high-profile statements by the heads of the LPR and the DPR. You will either have to inflict a sensitive defeat on Kiev, or sign your own powerlessness and, in fact, issue a carte blanche to Ukraine for even more sensitive operations on the demarcation line. It seems that this time it will not work out to be limited to some paper victory and loud statements.

In this situation, I want to believe that the crisis will really be resolved by the victorious offensive of the LPR. And then it remains to answer one single question: for what did soldiers and civilians die all this time?
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 21 May 2020 15: 21 New
    +4
    how ready are Lugansk and Donetsk for decisive steps
    Basurin said that there was a deafening silence .....
    1. asv363
      asv363 21 May 2020 16: 13 New
      17
      Yesterday there were 8 shellings of the DNI, at least twice 120 mm mortars were used. Today in the LPR:

      EMERGENCY STATEMENT by the official representative of NM LPR on May 21, 2020

      Spit on the Minsk agreements and all our attempts to resolve the conflict peacefully, the militants of Ukrainian armed groups continue to shell the territory of the Republic.
      So, today, in the SLAVANOSERBSK direction, as a result of shelling by the EFU ONE, the defender of the Republic was injured.
      Our intelligence revealed the firing position from which the firing was conducted. During the return fire from weapons not prohibited by the Minsk agreements, the enemy position with which the enemy regularly fired on our defenders and also terrorized the civilians of the Republic was destroyed. Losses of the enemy amounted to ONE killed and TWO wounded.
      We appeal to every Ukrainian soldier! None of your shots will go unpunished anymore! For each bullet fired towards the Republic, a commensurate answer and inevitable retaliation await you !!
      Also, according to our observers, at night, units of 93 VFU brigades, frightened by their command with false rumors about the possible offensive of our units, conducted mining of the terrain. Apparently, due to the negligence inherent in the VFU militants, new minefields were not specified in the minefields scheme. This morning, our observers recorded the fact that a supposedly truck 93 of the VFU brigade was blown up on a mine while it was moving from the village CRIMEAN towards n.p. BELOW. According to our data, as a result of the detonation of ONE, the Ukrainian militant died and TROE were injured.

      https://mil-lnr.info/official/zayavleniya/5539-ekstrennoe-zayavlenie-oficialnogo-predstavitelya-nm-lnr-21-maya-2020-goda.html
    2. knn54
      knn54 21 May 2020 16: 29 New
      -8
      It was a quiet "St. Bartholomew's Night" ..
      There are two main scenarios:
      - Appeal to NATO for help from Russian aggression;
      -appeal to the UN Security Council.
      In the rest of Ukraine, martial law is introduced with all the consequences for the population.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 21 May 2020 16: 41 New
        +4
        The ancient power system, from which not only industry and the residential sector are fed, but also water utilities that provide almost half of the republic, has long been breathing its last, and constant shelling can finally finish it off.


        Everything is the legacy of the USSR, which Ukraine not only didn’t multiply, but didn’t even try to preserve, plundering and leaving only the most necessary, and then in indecent form ...
        1. Hlavaty
          Hlavaty 21 May 2020 16: 52 New
          +3
          Quote: Insurgent
          The ancient energy system, which feeds not only industry and the residential sector, but also water utilities,

          take effective and decisive measures to move the line of contact from the specified power line.


          An immodest question arose:
          Is electricity coming from Ukraine or Russia from this power line?
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 21 May 2020 16: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: Hlavaty
            An immodest question arose:
            Is electricity coming from Ukraine or Russia from this power line?

            I am from the DPR, therefore, I know about the situation in the LPR insofar as it is, but it seems to me that we are talking about power lines coming from the Happiness TPP under the control of dill, but also nourishes the territory and the LPR temporarily controlled by dodging.
            1. pogis
              pogis 21 May 2020 17: 14 New
              -14
              "I am from the DPR, so I know about the situation in the LPR as long as"
              All about the situation in the Donbass in one phrase!
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 24 New
                20
                Quote: pogis
                "I am from the DPR, so I know about the situation in the LPR as long as"
                All about the situation in the Donbass in one phrase!

                And what did you want when events in the LPR take place three hundred kilometers away from me, and at 80-70, their own "unfold"?

                What situation should I have better?
            2. Vladimir61
              Vladimir61 21 May 2020 17: 41 New
              +4
              Quote: Insurgent
              but it seems to me that we are talking about power lines coming from the Happiness TPP, which is under the control of dill, but also feeds the territory and the LPR temporarily controlled by ukronatsi ...

              A 220 kW line from Russia (Novoshakhtinsk) goes to the Mikhailovskaya substation. The topology of the route so developed that it and the substation itself were on the line of hostilities.
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 51 New
                +5
                Quote: Vladimir61
                A 220 kW line from Russia (Novoshakhtinsk) goes to the Mikhailovskaya substation. The topology of the route so developed that it and the substation itself were on the line of hostilities.

                Thanks. Perhaps you `re right. I am not familiar with the local conditions, we are "powered" from our own sources (rather remote from the front), so this allows us to be more confident in the stability of the power supply.
              2. Hlavaty
                Hlavaty 21 May 2020 19: 09 New
                0
                And who owns the line itself and who sells electricity from it?
                1. Vladimir61
                  Vladimir61 21 May 2020 22: 37 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Hlavaty
                  And who owns the line itself and who sells electricity from it?

                  This line has existed since the days of the USSR! If you did not know, then I will clarify. After the collapse of the Union, the lines, oil pipelines, etc., were "entrenched" within the territorial boundaries. But, within the framework of the contracts, many were used jointly, for pumping excess, in emergency situations, etc.
                  Who belongs to? The section from the border with the Russian Federation to the substation runs exclusively on the territory of the LPR! I hope everything is clear.
                  1. Hlavaty
                    Hlavaty 22 May 2020 13: 35 New
                    0
                    Quote: Vladimir61
                    The section from the border with the Russian Federation to the substation runs exclusively on the territory of the LPR! I hope everything is clear.

                    Not at all. You have not answered the question whose property it is.
                    Some enterprises in the LPR continue to belong to the oligarchs and various muddy personalities. A striking example is Akhmetov, who owns enterprises on both sides of the conflict. And by the way, in Ukraine, he now owns many energy companies.

                    Therefore, I will ask directly:
                    Was this line nationalized by the LPR?

                    Or the people’s militia again protects someone’s extra profit.
                    1. Vladimir61
                      Vladimir61 22 May 2020 14: 41 New
                      +1
                      Troll? No need, the number is dead!
                      Would you like to know? I think the search engine works for you - type in the search engine State Unitary Enterprise of the Lugansk People's Republic "Republican Grid Company" and find out everything from the original source. If you have access only to VO, then I will calm down, Kurchenko, yes, in the recent past, he owned LLC Lugansknefteprodukt, but does not own the republican grid company. The train of confidence is gone!
                      1. Hlavaty
                        Hlavaty 22 May 2020 14: 54 New
                        +2
                        Could you calmly answer? No silly trolling accusations.
                        I dialed it in a search engine - I got several links to sites that I can’t even see through a VPN - with us they are somehow qualitatively blocked.
                        Did I understand correctly that this line is nationalized and that electricity comes from Russia?
                      2. Vladimir61
                        Vladimir61 22 May 2020 14: 57 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        Could you calmly answer?

                        Sure! If a person knows that there is no such information on the network! Yes! Nationalized and owned by the LPR!
                        Do not be offended! But dumbfounded dill and idiots, so sometimes you go to the peddling. Yours faithfully!
                      3. Hlavaty
                        Hlavaty 22 May 2020 14: 59 New
                        +1
                        We drove through.
                        But what about the answer to the main question:
                        Did I understand correctly that this line is nationalized and that electricity comes from Russia?
                      4. Vladimir61
                        Vladimir61 22 May 2020 15: 05 New
                        +1
                        Nationalized. And the business of Kurchenko, they began to press in the Russian Federation, - probably to roll up his lips in a tube, for trips to the courts. Energy from the Russian Federation since the age of 15.
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  2. Normal ok
    Normal ok 22 May 2020 15: 42 New
    +2
    Quote: Insurgent
    The ancient power system, from which not only industry and the residential sector are fed, but also water utilities that provide almost half of the republic, has long been breathing its last, and constant shelling can finally finish it off.


    Everything is the legacy of the USSR, which Ukraine not only didn’t multiply, but didn’t even try to preserve, plundering and leaving only the most necessary, and then in indecent form ...

    Since 1991, in the Odessa region, transformers at substations, protection systems, wires and power transmission towers have already been changed several times. I do not believe that in such an industrialized region as Donbass, Soviet equipment is still preserved. It's just that they haven't invested a penny there over the past 6 years. And now, "in the best traditions," everyone is blaming the "people in charge."
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 31 New
    +4
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Basurin said that there was a deafening silence .....


    Honestly, this s-s, s-s recourse ... Basurina, for some time now, after understanding the dissonance of what he is talking about and what is happening in real life, I don’t really listen ...
  • Vicontas
    Vicontas 21 May 2020 19: 30 New
    -3
    It’s time to give Monica Zelensky the same pleasure that Monica Lewinsky received!
  • Basil50
    Basil50 22 May 2020 04: 54 New
    -2
    Those who stand behind Zelensky dream of making the outskirts of exile out of Zelensky the eternal president. In Europe, there is a rich tradition of feeding exiled presidential monarchs with close ones. With this complementary feeding, the desire to spoil those who refuse to be a colony prevails over common sense and the declared ideology.
    And Zelensky in the rank of the exiled will be a more expensive buffoon on corporate parties
  • pogis
    pogis 21 May 2020 15: 21 New
    +9
    Are they hoping for vacationers? 90% of those who fought in the 14-15 years. long left the DNI, LC.
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 21 May 2020 15: 55 New
      +2
      So most countries in the world have closed borders, and Crimea is not rubber. Yes, and Resorts of the Krasnodar Territory for the service - so-so.

      But soon the vacation season is coming ...
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 21 May 2020 16: 06 New
        +7
        Quote: AllBiBek
        But soon the vacation season is coming ...

        And Voentorg offers travel goods at a discount!
      2. CSKA
        CSKA 23 May 2020 13: 28 New
        -1
        Quote: AllBiBek
        Yes, and Resorts of the Krasnodar Territory for the service - so-so.

        I don’t know where you were, but I can advise you to go to Adler. Service at the best level, as in general in Sochi.
    2. Incompetent
      Incompetent 21 May 2020 16: 23 New
      -11
      Why did you leave? And the idea for Russia, the mother against fascist Ukraine crashed in people's heads?
      1. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 21 May 2020 16: 41 New
        0
        Quote: Incompetent
        Why did you leave? And the idea for Russia, the mother against fascist Ukraine crashed in people's heads?

        No need to provoke ...
        Look for a crash elsewhere.
        1. mole
          mole 21 May 2020 17: 00 New
          -6
          Quote: Sergey S.
          Quote: Incompetent
          Why did you leave? And the idea for Russia, the mother against fascist Ukraine crashed in people's heads?

          No need to provoke ...
          Look for a crash elsewhere.

          But he is right!
      2. Terenin
        Terenin 21 May 2020 16: 41 New
        +3
        Quote: Incompetent
        Why did you leave? And the idea for Russia, the mother against fascist Ukraine crashed in people's heads?

        If someone thinks that only one national battalion is torn into battle, then they are deeply mistaken yes
        From the Don highway to Lugansk 36 km.
      3. Insurgent
        Insurgent 21 May 2020 16: 43 New
        15
        Quote: Incompetent
        Why did you leave? And the idea for Russia, the mother against fascist Ukraine crashed in people's heads?

        They did the work, and left, I hope if we get tight again, they will return ...
        1. avg
          avg 21 May 2020 20: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Insurgent
          They did the work, and left, I hope if we get tight again, they will return ...

          I hope that the weather will change and the "North Wind" will grow stronger, right up to the "Arctic invasion". And for the good of Russia, as the guarantor of "Minsk 2", it is time to crush batteries and other firing systems that do not fulfill the agreement.
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 21 May 2020 21: 34 New
            0
            Quote: avg
            And for the good of Russia, as the guarantor of "Minsk 2"
            laughing .
            And what needs to be done about good Russia, as a guarantor of the integrity of Ukrainian territory according to the Budapest memorandum? When will it already begin to put pressure on the batteries and firepower of the state that violated the territorial integrity of Ukraine? I can’t wait ....
            1. avg
              avg 21 May 2020 21: 49 New
              0
              I hope you will wait. And now in more detail about the violation of the territorial integrity of the fascist Bandera sub-state.
            2. max702
              max702 22 May 2020 20: 29 New
              0
              Have you ever studied what a memorandum is ... According to him, no one owes anything to anyone, this is the intention of the parties and no more ..
        2. mole
          mole 23 May 2020 20: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Insurgent
          Quote: Incompetent
          Why did you leave? And the idea for Russia, the mother against fascist Ukraine crashed in people's heads?

          They did the work, and left, I hope if we get tight again, they will return ...

          The emotional component of the Russian spring cannot be returned. The moment is lost. Because of the crash somewhere.
          I bow to you for the military work!
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 24 May 2020 07: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: Mole
            I bow to you for the military work!

            At the moment, I while, won his ...

            But if a real, not "strange war" starts, I'll be back. There is a place yes .
    3. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 21 May 2020 18: 05 New
      +4
      Quote: pogis
      Are they hoping for vacationers? 90% of those who fought in the 14-15 years. long left the DNI, LC.

      1. At 14 and early 15 there was "Walk the field". The formation of corps began after Debaltseve, and these are no longer "free shooters", but everything that is inherent in a military formation.
      2. If you consider the UDV "vacationers", then at the last congress it was announced that 30 thousand Donbass Volunteers (UDV), at the beginning of full-scale combat, are ready to return.
      3. Yes, and Russia, judging by the latest statements of officials, in terms of participation in the Normandy format and Ukraine's execution of the "Minsk", will no longer look "around the corner".
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 21 May 2020 23: 32 New
        -3
        The fighting efficiency of today's buildings is a big question. Are you sure that the bulk of the fighters there are ready to seriously fight, and did not go to serve because of hopelessness?
        1. Vladimir61
          Vladimir61 22 May 2020 05: 26 New
          +3
          Quote: Sancho_SP
          Are you sure that the bulk of the fighters there are ready to seriously fight, and did not go to serve because of hopelessness?

          And you try, out of "hopelessness" to regularly go to the fighting, where, for your information, they shoot, where there are always 300s and 200s! And although the contract is only for a year, many have served for several years and are constantly renewing it. So, the backbone in the buildings is solid.
          1. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 22 May 2020 12: 02 New
            -1
            I can not imagine the conditions in which people live there, I can not judge. But in a situation where the only job is a contract, and you need to feed your family, then in case of sluggish intensity you can ride. And on the offensive ...
    4. CSKA
      CSKA 23 May 2020 13: 26 New
      -1
      Quote: pogis
      Are they hoping for vacationers? 90% of those who fought in the 14-15 years. long left the DNI, LC.

      I wonder how you calculated? Personally, everyone was interviewed?))))
  • Terenin
    Terenin 21 May 2020 15: 24 New
    +5
    In this situation, I want to believe that the crisis will really be resolved by the victorious offensive of the LPR. And then it remains to answer one single question: for what did soldiers and civilians die all this time?
    Do you propose to continue to die tolerantly until Bandera's conscience wakes up?
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 21 May 2020 15: 28 New
    +5
    (although it is unlikely that we are talking about the personal initiative of the head of the LPR, not coordinated with higher authorities),
    Yes, without the support and resources "we are not there", bending the VFU will not be easy, to put it mildly. I would like to believe that a fundamental decision has been made and there will be no rebound if the ultimatum is not fulfilled. Moreover, the time is right - because of the crisis, the owners of the Kiev regime have no time for their wards.
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 21 May 2020 16: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      - because of the crisis, the owners of the Kiev regime are not up to the charges.

      The "Maidana" themselves are brewing like a cold boil!
    2. naburkin
      naburkin 21 May 2020 17: 21 New
      0
      It seems that in the LPR the call for reservists has been announced.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: naburkin
        It seems that in the LPR the call for reservists has been announced.

        That in the LC, that in the DNI, there is NO appeal ...
        There is a voluntary admission to the service under a "contract" (in quotation marks, because a "contract" in the DNR and LNR is something peculiar).
        1. naburkin
          naburkin 21 May 2020 17: 43 New
          0
          What I read in the news from inforus, I wrote it.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 22 May 2020 17: 41 New
            +3
            Quote: naburkin
            What I read in the news from inforus, I wrote it.

            I checked to clarify - in the LPR announced reservist fees.

            Can you catch the difference between the "call" and "fees"?
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 21 May 2020 18: 40 New
      +4
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      because of the crisis, the owners of the Kiev regime are not up to the charges.

      To be honest, in Russia, too, not everything is a rainbow-coronavirus, a drop in production, unemployment, etc.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 21 May 2020 18: 55 New
        -4
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        because of the crisis, the owners of the Kiev regime are not up to the charges.

        To be honest, in Russia, too, not everything is a rainbow-coronavirus, a drop in production, unemployment, etc.

        In 2008, too, not everything was rosy, but decided in a few days. And here not regular troops are needed, but the supply of resources, volunteers and military experts in the headquarters (or it is possible by "remote control")
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 21 May 2020 19: 25 New
          +6
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          In 2008, too, not everything was rosy

          I agree, but no one in the world has condemned the actions of Russia. Someone spoke and everyone shut up.
          After 2014, the country was faced with strong opposition and this is also undeniable.
          Now, only with material and technical resources and volunteers you won’t get rid of it - Ukraine also did not doze off and improved its army, realizing that the military solution of the Donbass is the main way.
          And, perhaps, the involvement of Russia in the war is the main goal of Ukraine and its partners.
          1. KVU-NSVD
            KVU-NSVD 21 May 2020 19: 52 New
            0
            Quote: Silvestr
            And, perhaps, the involvement of Russia in the war is the main goal of Ukraine and its partners.

            Even most likely. But this ulcer must be treated sooner or later. And if all the methods are either bad, or useless, or radical, then it’s better to be quick and radical
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 21 May 2020 21: 37 New
              0
              Quote: KVU-NSVD
              better fast and radical
              ... and useless, and very painful.
          2. AllBiBek
            AllBiBek 21 May 2020 23: 12 New
            -4
            Perfected - how is it?
            Deliveries of ultra-modern Molot mortars?

            Riveting for the insane amount of armored spacers in homeopathic doses?

            Stealing everything else?

            Or, did they develop a new variety of soldiers, especially those resistant to bluing and drugs?

            In fact, all that this army can do is trench warfare in the traditions of not even a hundred years ago, but hell understand what. "Creeping offensive" in the absence of opposition, and the offensive - by dragging the art forward a little more. With full illumination of the coordinates of these positions with an accuracy of a meter

            And this - with the complete absence of attack aircraft as such, is over, and what remains is a lot of use; if they don’t bring it down, it will fall apart in flight, because it’s ancient and the resource is almost at zero.

            In fact - a sedentary war in the style of bananostans of the third world.

            The motivation there is also beyond praise, and the money allowance is decent and without delay, and the equipment and supplies are a fairy tale, not an army.
            1. Octopus
              Octopus 22 May 2020 08: 46 New
              +1
              Quote: AllBiBek
              In fact - a sedentary war in the style of bananostans of the third world.

              Yes.

              Where do you think you are?
      2. revnagan
        revnagan 21 May 2020 21: 36 New
        -2
        Quote: Silvestr
        To be honest, in Russia, too, not everything is a rainbow-coronavirus, a drop in production, unemployment, etc.

        Vooot, that's why a "small victorious war" is needed somewhere close by, because in Syria, it is not "ice" either. However, this is not 2014 hi .
  • asv363
    asv363 21 May 2020 15: 35 New
    +1
    There is literally one step left so that the notorious agreements begin to cost less paper on which they are written.

    The only thing Ukraine has observed in recent years is that MLRSs are not applied. Arrivals from any other weapon are mainly civilian or infrastructure.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 44 New
      +5
      Quote: asv363
      The only thing Ukraine has observed in recent years is that MLRSs are not applied.

      What are you saying ...

      And we used dill, and we ...

      Personally, he witnessed the use of MLRS in the military unit under Avdeevka.

      And the Cheburashka?

  • Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 21 May 2020 15: 51 New
    +6
    When the Natsik is not bent down, they begin to greyhound.
    Today's state on the line of demarcation is the result of our many years of silence.
    It cannot last forever.
    The people of Donbass are at the boiling point.
    Soon we will have to make a decision.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 21 May 2020 16: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      Today's state on the line of demarcation is the result of our many years of silence.

      For me, this is also more offensive than clashes
    2. Octopus
      Octopus 22 May 2020 08: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      The people of Donbass are at the boiling point.

      This is good.
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      Soon we will have to make a decision.

      Come on, come on. It is high time.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 21 May 2020 16: 02 New
    -10
    This is a provocation, do not open fire. There will be no war ...
    Once it was already.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 21 May 2020 16: 46 New
      +7
      Quote: 7,62x54
      This is a provocation, do not open fire. There will be no war ...
      Once it was already.

      But ended on May 1945 ...
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 21 May 2020 16: 51 New
        -15
        Yes, it ended in May at 45m, and it started at 41m and at what price the victory was won. But we will not leave the topic. You, my friend, are right on your battle couch on the demarcation line. There are not enough such heroes there. Just do not forget to wear brown pants, you never know what.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 21 May 2020 16: 58 New
          15
          Quote: 7,62x54
          Yes, it ended in May at 45m, and it started at 41m and at what price the victory was won. But we will not leave the topic. You, my friend, are right on your battle couch on the demarcation line. There are not enough such heroes there. Just do not forget to wear brown pants, you never know what.


          I was there for 3 years, and it’s not for you to tell me where, and with what pants I should be. I’ll figure it out without snot.
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      2. revnagan
        revnagan 21 May 2020 21: 41 New
        -1
        Quote: Insurgent
        But ended on May 1945 ...

        In order for the victorious May 1945 to come, the whole country strained its forces - Kazakhstan, Ukraine and Belarus, Azerbaijan, etc. and so on. And now ... Russia is alone. Even Belarus pretends that it did not understand anything. If not the enemy, then , then at least a cautious neutral. There are no brothers, the allies are either weak or unreliable. That's it, Repin's painting "Swam" laughing .
        1. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek 21 May 2020 23: 59 New
          +3
          You are comparing horseradish with a tram handle, the forces against the USSR in 1941 - and the small-town reincarnation of the SS Galicia division, blown up to the size of an army.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 22 May 2020 07: 43 New
            +4
            Quote: AllBiBek
            You are comparing horseradish with a tram handle, the forces against the USSR in 1941 - and the small-town reincarnation of the SS Galicia division, blown up to the size of an army.

            yes yes lol good
          2. revnagan
            revnagan 22 May 2020 08: 24 New
            -3
            Quote: AllBiBek
            forces against the USSR in 1941 - and the small-town reincarnation of the SS Galicia division, inflated to the size of an army.

            As you know, the visible part of the iceberg is about 10%, which rise above the surface of the water .... "Well-wishers" of Russia did not diminish in comparison with 1941, given that Germany was not a superpower, and the Russian Federation was far from the USSR.
            1. AllBiBek
              AllBiBek 22 May 2020 11: 58 New
              +1
              Yeah, just the fifth economy in the world.
              Germany, by the way, is only sixth.
              And ill-wishers increased, yes. In the face of the Baltic extinctions, and a number of geopolitical monsters such as Georgia.
              1. Red Dragon
                Red Dragon 22 May 2020 16: 29 New
                -1
                And according to what data is the fifth, let me ask? Do you take PPP GDP data for 2019?
                1. AllBiBek
                  AllBiBek 22 May 2020 16: 38 New
                  +2
                  Rating of world economies according to the World Bank, last week.

                  And what? Do not feel it on yourself?

                  And inside the third world economy - and this is India - too few people feel.

                  And inside the first one - and this is China - not everything is good either.

                  And how large-scale from a viral infection they are dying inside the second world economy - and this is the USA - well, I think you are following the news.

                  But so yes, everything is bad only in Russia. Oil is extracted as the United Arab Emirates, and 25 thousand dollars in fact do not give. And taxes ... Although no, in the UAE this is now all very sad.
                  1. Red Dragon
                    Red Dragon 22 May 2020 16: 54 New
                    -1
                    Well no. I live in Ukraine. The last time in Russia was 7 years ago. wink I’m just clarifying that I looked at the IMF data for 2019, Russia is the sixth there.
                    1. AllBiBek
                      AllBiBek 22 May 2020 21: 07 New
                      +1
                      Much has changed here, and not only and not so much new buildings are being built.

                      They just don’t advertise for some reason, as if you don’t look at the TV set - it’s so disgusting show-faces and shameful humor.
                      1. Red Dragon
                        Red Dragon 22 May 2020 23: 41 New
                        0
                        I was born in Nizhny. Over his years, he was in Poland, the Czech Republic, the Netherlands, France, Belgium, Sweden, Hungary, Austria, Italy, Slovakia, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Finland. Everywhere is better than in the Lower laughing
                      2. AllBiBek
                        AllBiBek 22 May 2020 23: 58 New
                        +1
                        I grew up in Naberezhnye Chelny, also a so-so childhood.

                        But, over the past 15 years, Nizhny has quite seriously taken up positions from which he is competing on equal terms for the title of the third capital of Russia with Kazan and Novosibirsk.

                        What Nizhny was back in the early 00s - I remember, bydanter and dirtier from what was seen at that time - there was only Kazan.

                        Now Kazan is the cleanest millionaire in Russia. And the Lower - in the first five seem.
                      3. Red Dragon
                        Red Dragon 23 May 2020 04: 32 New
                        0
                        May be you wink and right. I have never been to Kazan. I was not in Nizhny in the 90s, in Ukraine in the 90s there was also a garbage dump, I was in my hometown in 2007, 2010, 2013 - so-so city. Compared to Prague, Kiev, even Lviv, nothing. It was a shame when he was born, was the third city in Russia, and now the fifth in terms of population. The people are trying to escape: Moscow, Peter and maybe further. Moscow is impressive, money is all there. But this is so, thinking out loud, I thought why my hometown lost almost 20% of the population. lol
                      4. AllBiBek
                        AllBiBek 23 May 2020 04: 42 New
                        +1
                        Last year I had a bunch of creative friends and buddies from Nizhny Novgorod from Moscow and St. Petersburg, because there are, if not more in demand, then stupidly more prospects. In terms of making your way as a modern musician - almost like Ukraine, no matter what they say or think - you can dilute any genre with young nuggets.

                        Another separate bunch of familiar people was replaced in the same Nizhny institute, to teach and work in the specialties, and there is far from being only defense industry and heavy industry. Brain Research Institute, for example.

                        And the same NGLU has recently been heard even more than NSU, in a good way.
                      5. Red Dragon
                        Red Dragon 23 May 2020 04: 55 New
                        0
                        Thanks for the information. wink I left, or rather, my parents took me away from the then city of Gorky in 1986, at the age of 8. None of the acquaintances were left there, just at this age I could not get them. And until 2007, when I visited there again, Nizhny even in a dream seemed the best city on Earth. Tough was a disappointment of course. I then watched Russian television, and they told me that every day everything is better, and they almost surpassed America wink The reality in his hometown was a little different. But nothing to me, my parents were offended, they lived there for more than 20 years, together they graduated from the Gorky Polytechnic University, youth, the best time. Sorry, a little messy, as they say, inspired. Have a nice day. wink
  • Grits
    Grits 23 May 2020 17: 50 New
    0
    Quote: revnagan
    In order for victorious May 1945 to come, the whole country — Kazakhstan, Ukraine and Belarus, Azerbaijan, etc., etc. — exerts strength. And now ...

    So after all, in that war, not only Germans fought against us either. Almost all of Europe was against us. Something like the prototype of the EU. And overpowered. But whether Europe will now have a gay parade for some kind of Ukraine is a big question.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 21 May 2020 16: 05 New
    0
    ... I want to appeal to the President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky with an urgent request

    the request is appropriate from the losing side ... it is necessary to demand and act ... constantly strain the leadership of Ukraine, and not endure endlessly ...
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 21 May 2020 16: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: Pvi1206
      the request is appropriate from the losing side ...

      The losing side cannot insist in a "request", but we can!
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 21 May 2020 20: 08 New
        -2
        Quote: Insurgent
        Quote: Pvi1206
        the request is appropriate from the losing side ...

        The losing side cannot insist in a "request", but we can!

        Clarification. Not a losing side, but a smashed armed group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... and only thanks to Russia's request, released from deadly "cauldrons".
        Ah, in vain!
      2. revnagan
        revnagan 21 May 2020 21: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent
        The losing side cannot insist on a "request", but we can!

        That is, you have already won, and Bandera's supporters are drying up on Khreshchatyk? Then why are there any requests, threats? He banged his fist on the table, ordered, and order, Kiev did everything and did everything. Didn't? if you are the winning side?
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 21 May 2020 16: 10 New
    +4
    I’ll make a reservation right away so that I can be correctly understood. You can only end the war by completely defeating the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions and completely clearing the used Ukraine from the nationalists. But as I understand it, a half-way solution is proposed - to throw ukrovsko to a certain number of kilometers. Suppose, to the administrative borders of Donetsk and Lugansk regions. Yes, most likely it will be possible to do. What will happen next? The line of contact (in fact, the front line) is stabilized for these nth number of kilometers further. When retreating (fleeing), Ukraine will blow up bridges, factories, factories, warehouses. Then Ukraine will again build up strength, beg and receive military assistance from the West and continue to fire on the territory of the LDNR. But it will already be other settlements. No, maybe I’m wrong, but I need a complete rout with the signing of the surrender of Kiev and reparations to restore the ruined in LDP.
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 21 May 2020 16: 14 New
      -1
      If this happens, it will be a precedent, and decentralization will begin, a lot of regions will also want to.

      And in Kiev they really do not want this.
      1. boris epstein
        boris epstein 21 May 2020 16: 17 New
        -4
        Such processes are already taking place in Zaporizhzhya, Odessa, Mykolayiv, Kherson regions. And there you look, Kharkiv will catch up. It’s just that with the counteroffensive of the LDNR corps, these processes can be significantly accelerated.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 21 May 2020 17: 04 New
          11
          Are you apparently stuck in 2014? It was then that such versions were in use, but in fact: tanks were being rebuilt in Kharkov and new armored personnel carriers were being built, in Dnepropetrovsk they were putting the wounded on their feet, the trade union house in Odessa, and so on. Sorry if I got you out of euphoria ...
          1. Roman1970_1
            Roman1970_1 21 May 2020 20: 38 New
            +3
            Was recently in Kharkov. There are no processes there
          2. AllBiBek
            AllBiBek 21 May 2020 22: 51 New
            -1
            Well, in the same Odessa the other day, they found one of those who burned people in the House of Trade Unions, with an ax in his back and a note "Odessa remembers". So everything is not so simple.

            Yes, the East is pumped up by cave nationalism, and it did not start yesterday, but back in the 90s.

            Will it blaze? More likely no than yes. At least in the near future.

            We will see. For five years, a new generation of potential "vacationers" has grown up, and old mistakes have been taken into account.

            So new ones will be made.

            But the SBU will no longer be allowed to recruit passionate youngsters in Rostov, like in the "militia", and then immediately take them into captivity, or even worse, the SBU will no longer allow, I hope.
            1. Octopus
              Octopus 22 May 2020 08: 51 New
              0
              Quote: AllBiBek
              with an ax in his back and a note "Odessa remembers"

              How interesting is the struggle for the Russian world.
              1. AllBiBek
                AllBiBek 22 May 2020 21: 05 New
                +2
                Uh-huh, like "moskalyaku for gilyak" and "Muscovites for knives" - so "why is this so?"
                1. Octopus
                  Octopus 23 May 2020 00: 40 New
                  +1
                  Quote: AllBiBek
                  the classic "but us then - for scho?".

                  No, no, that you.

                  If in Odessa in 2020, supporters of the Russian world go with axes, then here the questions are definitely not for them. Questions to completely different people and organizations.
            2. Normal ok
              Normal ok 22 May 2020 16: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: AllBiBek
              Well, in the same Odessa the other day, they found one of those who burned people in the House of Trade Unions, with an ax in his back and a note "Odessa remembers". So it's not so interesting that no one in Odessa heard about it laughing Throw the link please.
        2. Saamosus
          Saamosus 21 May 2020 18: 42 New
          +3
          What makes you think that such processes are going on?
        3. Grits
          Grits 23 May 2020 17: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Boris Epstein
          Such processes are already taking place in Zaporizhzhya, Odessa, Mykolayiv, Kherson regions. And there you look, Kharkov will catch up

          Late. We had to think about it in 2014.
      2. Octopus
        Octopus 22 May 2020 08: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: AllBiBek
        a lot of regions will want it too.

        A bunch of regions of Ukraine will want to live the way the Ordlo lives now?

        Very interesting.
    2. really
      really 21 May 2020 16: 25 New
      0
      Sorry, you are out of your mind. stop
    3. Insurgent
      Insurgent 21 May 2020 16: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Boris Epstein
      maybe I’m wrong, but it needs a complete rout with the signing of the surrender of Kiev and reparations to restore what was destroyed in the LPR.


      Well yes ... Even if before Kiev, or before Lviv, all the same, Russia will have to re-create a non-Bandera, loyal Ukraine, or include it in the entire Russian Federation ...

      What reparations and contributions can be in this case?
      1. boris epstein
        boris epstein 21 May 2020 17: 01 New
        -3
        Why re-create Ukraine? Divide it into the provinces and provinces directly (past Kiev) subordinate to Moscow. Here in this case, and reparations will go from the provinces. During the floods in Western Ukraine, the Donbass drove there materials, clothes, products, allocated recovery equipment, rescue and construction teams. Chervonenko, becoming governor of the Zaporizhzhya region, said that every city in Eastern Ukraine contains a similar city in Western Ukraine. Let them repay their debts.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 04 New
          +3
          Quote: Boris Epstein
          Why re-create Ukraine? Divide it into the provinces and provinces directly (past Kiev) subordinate to Moscow. Here in this case, and reparations will go from the provinces. During the floods in Western Ukraine, the Donbass drove there materials, clothes, products, allocated recovery equipment, rescue and construction teams. Chervonenko, becoming governor of the Zaporizhzhya region, said that every city in Eastern Ukraine contains a similar city in Western Ukraine. Let them repay their debts.


          In the beginning, let's kill the reptile, and then we will share the skin ...
        2. gurzuf
          gurzuf 21 May 2020 19: 33 New
          +2
          Such a force only - CCCP. The capitalist RF will not do this. If I am mistaken, I will be glad.
    4. revnagan
      revnagan 21 May 2020 21: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Boris Epstein
      a complete defeat is needed with the signing of the surrender of Kiev and reparations to restore the ruined in LDNR.

      The forces of the self-proclaimed republics alone will not be enough for this, Russia will not go to a direct conflict with Ukraine, and the population of the territories recaptured from Kiev is not that in 2014, neither the Russian Federation nor LDNR believes anymore, so, speaking in a chess language, LDNR zugzwange, also time trouble on the nose ....
    5. max702
      max702 22 May 2020 20: 36 New
      0
      Preventive bombing in places of concentration of forces and means will greatly help to clarify the brain .. Everything is decided .. The Syrian experience here is perfect ..
    6. Grits
      Grits 23 May 2020 17: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Boris Epstein
      No, maybe I’m wrong, but it needs a complete defeat with the signing of the surrender of Kiev and reparations to restore what was destroyed in the LPR.

      even the liberation of Donbass from banderlogs within the former administrative borders will already be an analogue of the complete defeat of the Armed Forces. It just seems to me that this will not happen. Since taldychat about that for about five years. And every month they prepare for battle and formidable ultimatums throw and angrily wave their fists. Only in real life does not reach. Therefore, they will continue to live under shelling.
  • really
    really 21 May 2020 16: 10 New
    -17
    Pure Hamas, if Russia does not give money, they will start shooting at Ukraine.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 07 New
      11
      Quote: really
      Pure Hamas, if Russia does not give money, they will start shooting at Ukraine.

      I wonder why you are being kept idiots in VO, why not banned? Maybe you provide extras with your stupidity?
      But this spoils the picture of the discussion, and so, not always constructive ...
      1. really
        really 21 May 2020 17: 14 New
        -8
        And you are incredibly smart, and your forecasts and opinions are used by all the leading institutions of the world, financial tycoons in the morning call you before the opening of the exchange. If not, have your opinion, and I have mine. Besides, you can not read me
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 15 New
          +3
          Quote: really
          Besides, you can not read me

          And you'd better not write ...
          1. really
            really 21 May 2020 17: 17 New
            -5
            I don’t need a censor, this is for you to Benckendorff
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 18 New
              +4
              Quote: really
              I don’t need a censor, this is for you to Benckendorff

              I don’t shred your "wonderful texts" as a censor, I just suggested that you stick around ...
              1. really
                really 21 May 2020 17: 42 New
                +1
                Start raising others from yourself; it will be beautiful and correct.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 52 New
                  +4
                  Quote: really
                  Start raising others from yourself; it will be beautiful and correct.

                  Why don't you start with yourself?
                  1. really
                    really 21 May 2020 17: 59 New
                    +1
                    Because you started a swara, I answered you culturally and politely.
                    1. Insurgent
                      Insurgent 21 May 2020 18: 18 New
                      +3
                      Quote: really
                      Because you started a swara, I answered you culturally and politely.

                      So be "smarter", "Insurgent boor" ... Will it work? Hardly...
                      1. really
                        really 21 May 2020 18: 23 New
                        +1
                        Well, you have to talk, so you are back to normal conversation.
      2. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 21 May 2020 17: 51 New
        10
        Quote: Insurgent
        I wonder why you are being kept idiots in VO, why not banned?

        Durals and dill are not banned. Banyat those who have an opinion that does not coincide with the opinion of individual moderators, authors or the position of the editors as a whole.
        1. max702
          max702 22 May 2020 20: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir61
          Quote: Insurgent
          I wonder why you are being kept idiots in VO, why not banned?

          Durals and dill are not banned. Banyat those who have an opinion that does not coincide with the opinion of individual moderators, authors or the position of the editors as a whole.

          You still remember about the owners of the site ... Quite everything will become clear ..
          pc: "Lost house" (S.)
          1. Motorist
            Motorist 23 May 2020 22: 39 New
            0
            You still remember about the site owners ...

            Have you read to the end that, where are you from it have taken?
  • ALARI
    ALARI 21 May 2020 16: 17 New
    0
    What is achieving? Looking for an incident belli. He wants the LPR and DPR to attack. After this, the hands are untied to conduct accession of these territories back. Aggression however. All Minsk agreements in the furnace.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 21 May 2020 16: 50 New
      0
      Quote: ALARI
      What is achieving? Looking for an incident belli. He wants the LPR and DPR to attack. After this, the hands are untied to conduct accession of these territories back. Aggression however. All Minsk agreements in the furnace.

      Artem, but they are being killed!
      1. ALARI
        ALARI 21 May 2020 16: 58 New
        +1
        This logic of war is wrong the one who first started. Remember how the second Chechen company began, from what events. If they did not happen, then they had to be invented, but then the militants themselves substituted.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 08 New
          +4
          Quote: ALARI
          This logic of war is wrong the one who first started.

          You KILLED ME ...

          So who, back in 2014, started? Or forgot?
          1. ALARI
            ALARI 21 May 2020 18: 56 New
            +1
            I didn’t forget. You don’t want to say anything about our Crimea. Ichtamnet, etc. Everyone has a stigma in the cannon. It was not necessary to initially recognize the Bandera coup. And then something selectively your memory works.
          2. ALARI
            ALARI 21 May 2020 19: 06 New
            +2
            What is happening in the Donbass, the direct consequences of our Crimea. Why one can lower another. In the Donbass that other people do not live like in the Crimea?
            1. gurzuf
              gurzuf 21 May 2020 19: 43 New
              +1
              Yes? Sure? What are all these "consequences of our Crimea"? It turns out that we have thrown off Yanukovych from the "barrel"? Also say that he was overthrown legally. R.S even as a Crimean resident I would like to hear yours - "You don't want to say anything about our Crimea."
              1. ALARI
                ALARI 21 May 2020 19: 55 New
                +3
                Ask our Insurgent about Crimea, I asked him in the light of our discussion with him. They overthrew him illegally, but we recognized the usurper regime, or am I confusing something. As a Crimean I want to ask why you were covered up, and Donbass interfere with mud? Maybe people were not too needed, but Crimea needed, convenient in its geographical, strategic and geopolitical position.
                1. gurzuf
                  gurzuf 22 May 2020 14: 50 New
                  0
                  "but we recognized the usurper's regime." But the usurper's regime was not recognized in the LPNR! Or I'm wrong. No, I'm not mistaken, the discussion in the article is about the relationship between Kiev and the LPR. Of course, Crimea is "convenient in its geographic, strategic and geopolitical position." But do not forget that we had an arch with its own constitution and almost 100% support of the population to leave Ukraine, which gives, along with the constitution of the same Ukraine, jur. grounds for legalizing our decision. Yes, it was probably necessary, as for me, to decide with Donetsk and Lugansk as well as with Crimea, alas, something went wrong.
              2. revnagan
                revnagan 21 May 2020 22: 01 New
                0
                Quote: gurzuf
                It turns out that we have thrown off Yanukovych from the "barrel"?

                No, you recognized the Giblets. And you supported ONLY the population of Donbass in Ukraine, which this Giblets himself killed. So either take off the cross, or put on your panties. Did you really think that in exchange for his recognition he would recognize Crimea as Russian? And then he will come a new "prez" of Ukraine, and the Russian Federation will hold a new referendum somewhere in Kherson, and again, in exchange for the recognition of the Russian Federation of another "preza", he will give you part of the Ukrainian territory laughing .Seriously?!
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        2. Terenin
          Terenin 21 May 2020 17: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: ALARI
          This logic of war is wrong the one who first started. Remember how the second Chechen company began, from what events. If they did not happen, then they had to be invented, but then the militants themselves substituted.

          I think it is wrong to compare the situation with that of Chechnya and the Donbass.
          By that time, a gangster enclave had formed in Chechnya with the slave trade, drugs, tribute to any businessman, Sharia courts, etc. etc. (I’m writing not by hearsay).
          And Donbass is a hard worker who did not accept the armed coup of Bandera.
          By the way, there is hardly any logic to war. The causes of war have logic, and this is an attempt to solve their insoluble problems.
          1. ALARI
            ALARI 21 May 2020 18: 53 New
            +3
            For the whole world, except Russia, Donbass is not much different from Chechnya in the late 90s. This was known in Russia about the gangster enclave with the slave trade, drugs, tribute to any businessman, Sharia courts, etc. etc., for all the rest, it was a proud freedom-loving people who fought for their independence, from the oppression of Russia. I also remember a lot about how the war was covered both from our side and the west. This is known and understood in Russia by hard workers who have not accepted the armed coup of Bandera, for the rest of the world this is a territory that has come under the control of foreign terrorists and needs to be freed. In the West, they don’t even talk about REBELS, terrorists and everything, and the population is under oppression. So I think so.
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 21 May 2020 19: 12 New
              -2
              Quote: ALARI
              for the rest of the world, this is a territory that has come under the control of alien terrorists and needs to be freed.

              I remember, not so long ago, how "the rest of the world" (and these are the NATO hangers-on of the United States) shouted that "Russia is unfairly owning its territory ..." (Madeleine Albright), and "the population of Russia should not exceed ..." ( M. Thatcher). And what were we to do? To give half of the territory to the "civilized West" and half of the population to suffocate?
              Quote: ALARI
              In the West they don’t even talk about REBELS, terrorists and everything, and the population is under oppression.
              and we are not talking about the Rebels, we are talking about OUR people and the Bandera-Nazi scum that shell their settlements.
              1. ALARI
                ALARI 21 May 2020 19: 21 New
                +3
                Rebels are still better than terrorists. I also think that these are our people. I just described what is really happening and how these conflicts are seen by Europe and the USA, or rather they see what they need. And then you understand the partners.
                1. Terenin
                  Terenin 21 May 2020 19: 59 New
                  +2
                  Quote: ALARI
                  You can’t give anything away, they gave it back at 91, but it’s time to take off the white gloves for a long time and not play nobility. And then you understand the partners.

                  That's right! yes
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 21 May 2020 21: 16 New
                    +3
                    Apparently it’s not yet reached everyone ...
                2. sevryuk
                  sevryuk 21 May 2020 21: 33 New
                  0
                  "The rebels are still better than the terrorists."
                  Call them Loyalists!
                3. Sancho_SP
                  Sancho_SP 21 May 2020 23: 53 New
                  +4
                  If it were our people, they would recognize LDNR and provide protection. Unfortunately, Russia de jure supports illegal gangs, because neither the LDNR states, nor any parties or organizations on this territory are recognized by Russia itself as the legitimate authority.
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              3. Octopus
                Octopus 22 May 2020 08: 57 New
                +2
                Quote: Terenin
                "Russia unjustly owns its territory ..." (Madeleine Albright)

                This was not stated by Madeleine Albright, but one there an under-war pensioner, if I do not confuse anything.
                Quote: Terenin
                "the population of Russia must not exceed ..." (M. Thatcher)

                This statement is made by one Soviet propagandist, not M. Thatcher.
                Quote: Terenin
                and half the population suffocate?

                And that's what you want. No one will persuade.
        3. pogis
          pogis 21 May 2020 17: 24 New
          -1
          Then the FSB was the KGB.
    2. Grits
      Grits 23 May 2020 18: 06 New
      0
      Quote: ALARI
      He wants the LPR and DPR to attack. After this, the hands are untied to conduct accession of these territories back.

      Is there enough strength to attach back?
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 21 May 2020 16: 55 New
    -1
    Quote: Tol100v
    Quote: AllBiBek
    But soon the vacation season is coming ...

    And Voentorg offers travel goods at a discount!

    And on vacation only through Donetsk. There is a two-week isolation, and then how it goes.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: Sentry73
      And on vacation only through Donetsk. There is a two-week isolation, and then how it goes.

      There may not be time in 2 weeks ...
  • pogis
    pogis 21 May 2020 17: 06 New
    0
    good good
    Quote: AllBiBek
    So most countries in the world have closed borders, and Crimea is not rubber. Yes, and Resorts of the Krasnodar Territory for the service - so-so.

    But soon the vacation season is coming ...

    How thin.!
    1. Motorist
      Motorist 23 May 2020 21: 11 New
      0
      You know, about vacation sounds more believable than about millions of Ukrainians visiting grandmothers in the Rostov mountains ...
  • pogis
    pogis 21 May 2020 17: 15 New
    -1
    Quote: Tol100v
    Quote: AllBiBek
    But soon the vacation season is coming ...

    And Voentorg offers travel goods at a discount!

    Thinner!
  • pogis
    pogis 21 May 2020 17: 22 New
    0
    Quote: Mole
    Quote: Sergey S.
    Quote: Incompetent
    Why did you leave? And the idea for Russia, the mother against fascist Ukraine crashed in people's heads?

    No need to provoke ...
    Look for a crash elsewhere.

    But he is right!

    Because active hostilities ended and the routine of service began with the parallel destruction of the most prominent figures of resistance by "unknown" forces, accompanied by corruption and the disintegration of the highest echelons of power in the Republics.
  • rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 21 May 2020 17: 38 New
    0
    So they allowed the Natsiks to occupy the gray zone with impunity, that’s the result. And what will happen next does not depend on the Donbass, it depends on the position of the Kremlin sitters, and recently they have one position - cancer and have them
  • pogis
    pogis 21 May 2020 18: 07 New
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    Quote: Vladimir61
    Quote: pogis
    Are they hoping for vacationers? 90% of those who fought in the 14-15 years. long left the DNI, LC.

    1. At 14 and early 15 there was "Walk the field". The formation of corps began after Debaltseve, and these are no longer "free shooters", but everything that is inherent in a military formation.
    2. If you consider the UDV "vacationers", then at the last congress it was announced that 30 thousand Donbass Volunteers (UDV), at the beginning of full-scale combat, are ready to return.
    3. Yes, and Russia, judging by the latest statements of officials, in terms of participation in the Normandy format and Ukraine's execution of the "Minsk", will no longer look "around the corner".

    And I did not write about this? The internationalist wars from different countries played a key role in the 14-15 years. And yes, after Debaltseve, as if the front line was fixed.
  • skazochnik
    skazochnik 21 May 2020 18: 10 New
    -3
    I agree, you need to move the line of contact to Poland, Hungary and Romania.
    1. cniza
      cniza 21 May 2020 21: 15 New
      +1
      I would like, but not so simple ...
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 21 May 2020 22: 04 New
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      Quote: skazochnik
      I agree, you need to move the line of contact to Poland, Hungary and Romania.

      "Come and get it" (cit.)
      King of Sparta Lonides 1 to the Persian Ambassador.
      1. AllBiBek
        AllBiBek 21 May 2020 23: 37 New
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        "Your speeches still need power and money" (cit.)
        King of Sparta, Hagid II - to another Persian ambassador
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 22 May 2020 08: 28 New
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          Since it’s not possible to come, it means that everything that is required is available wink .
  • pogis
    pogis 21 May 2020 18: 24 New
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    Quote: Insurgent
    Quote: pogis
    "I am from the DPR, so I know about the situation in the LPR as long as"
    All about the situation in the Donbass in one phrase!

    And what did you want when events in the LPR take place three hundred kilometers away from me, and at 80-70, their own "unfold"?

    What situation should I have better?

    Do you remember how it all began? New Russia and the flag was cool! You have not even created a single information space in 6 years. I’m not talking about other things, how did you get ready to beat the APU without vacationers?
  • pogis
    pogis 21 May 2020 18: 30 New
    -2
    Quote: rotkiv04
    So they allowed the Natsiks to occupy the gray zone with impunity, that’s the result. And what will happen next does not depend on the Donbass, it depends on the position of the Kremlin sitters, and recently they have one position - cancer and have them

    DAP who took? Where did the north wind blow? Who Voentorg opened in the Donbass? Who took Debaltseve and Ilovaisk? Duck, who was there with cancer then?
  • iouris
    iouris 21 May 2020 18: 33 New
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    To warn the aggressor is the wrong decision. Surprise and decisiveness, massive use of force are success factors.
  • pogis
    pogis 21 May 2020 18: 34 New
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    And so yes, if they had consolidated the success of the winter company in 2015 and freed Mariupol, well then it was possible to go to Minsk!
  • pogis
    pogis 21 May 2020 18: 54 New
    -2
    Video bridge between participants of one battle from different sides of the barricades, unique material
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 21 May 2020 20: 36 New
      +2
      The material may be unique, but only the performance of Viti Tsoi's "Kino" group is interesting in it.
      And, similar "revelations" of the fighters, I heard enough there before ... I can't, especially if the narrator also rolls over the "eared"
      1. cniza
        cniza 21 May 2020 21: 15 New
        +2
        Everything is complex and beyond all human lives ...
  • Radius
    Radius 21 May 2020 20: 27 New
    -3
    I think that will cost only two points:
    1. APU will receive on the head (there can be no other, because the situation is perfectly calculated);
    2. The demarcation line will move a little west.
    And that's all.
  • Federal1
    Federal1 21 May 2020 20: 35 New
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    When they are preparing an offensive, they do not announce a warning, this is clearly info-pressing on Zeleny against the background of Minsk slipping, no more. There will be no kneading because it cannot be in a nightmare of oil prices and a possible oil embargo in general. The usual swing. Nothing to discuss
  • Suslin
    Suslin 21 May 2020 20: 46 New
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    However, putting the plan into action will be very difficult. First of all, we need resources, both human (fighters) and material (weapons, ammunition, fuel). The enemy also did not sit idle. Minefields, fortified areas and other fortifications are another problem. And it will be necessary to drive the enemy to the Dnieper, at least. Otherwise, it makes no sense to start anything.
    1. cniza
      cniza 21 May 2020 21: 13 New
      +3
      Everything is correct and their army is already different, and US support, but it is necessary to decide ...
  • cniza
    cniza 21 May 2020 21: 11 New
    +3
    In this situation, I want to believe that the crisis will really be resolved by the victorious offensive of the LPR.


    It’s hard, but it’s even harder to endure this situation ..., we don’t know much ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 21 May 2020 22: 07 New
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      Quote: cniza
      we don’t know much ...

      But it seems to me the opposite.
  • Brigadier
    Brigadier 22 May 2020 00: 34 New
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    Do not forget that today's LDNR occupy only a third of their real areas - Lugansk and Donetsk. In fact, today they are simply pressed by Kiev to the border of Russia, and even this territory is gradually shrinking ...
    The remaining 2/3 of these regions - Luhansk and Donetsk, are occupied by Banderlog, who occupied them with their "frog" jumps, and now the LDNR, if they proceed to active actions, will simply restore the integrity of their territorial formations, nothing more ...
    Well, and of course, they will move the front line away from their cities, saving their population and infrastructure from shelling, because all the agreements on "Minsk" were no more expensive than a roll of toilet paper ...
    What else do they have to do? Saving the drowning is the work of the drowning!
    Alas ... Today in LDNR is the only way.

    Today the republics think really.
    But they cannot hope for Putin, in fact ...
    No. what
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 22 May 2020 01: 05 New
      +1
      They won’t pass it was real in 2014 - 15 now it’s already thousands of dead will be worth
  • pogis
    pogis 22 May 2020 04: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Brigadier
    Do not forget that today's LDNR occupy only a third of their real areas - Lugansk and Donetsk. In fact, today they are simply pressed by Kiev to the border of Russia, and even this territory is gradually shrinking ...
    The remaining 2/3 of these regions - Luhansk and Donetsk, are occupied by Banderlog, who occupied them with their "frog" jumps, and now the LDNR, if they proceed to active actions, will simply restore the integrity of their territorial formations, nothing more ...
    Well, and of course, they will move the front line away from their cities, saving their population and infrastructure from shelling, because all the agreements on "Minsk" were no more expensive than a roll of toilet paper ...
    What else do they have to do? Saving the drowning is the work of the drowning!
    Alas ... Today in LDNR is the only way.

    Today the republics think really.
    But they cannot hope for Putin, in fact ...
    No. what

    If not for their GDP
    another 14 g would be rolled under the asphalt.
  • Desperado
    Desperado 22 May 2020 15: 10 New
    +1
    The beekeeper is such a storyteller. How will he throw back the Ukrainian Armed Forces? The numerical superiority on the side of the "square" is from 1: 3 to 1: 7 in various sectors of the front. For 6 years, the Ukrainian army has gained enough experience in contrast to the militia corps. The level and quality of weapons is higher. Any attempt to push back the Ukrainian troops will result in heavy losses that will not be compensated for in the near future. Perhaps this is what Zelensky is counting on. A counterattack and reaching the borders with the Russian Federation will mean the loss of the LPR and will bring the loss of the DPR closer in the foreseeable future.
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 22 May 2020 18: 28 New
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    Actually, it was said that now not one shelling will remain without punishment, there was no talk about the offensive. Apparently, ammunition was brought in, perhaps some other progress has occurred, so far unknown to us.
  • alone
    alone 23 May 2020 20: 32 New
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    At the height of the economic crisis, some are ready to reach Lviv lol , others fantasize to reach Rostov lol .. Pasechnik and Pishulin are at least aware that how much money is needed to introduce full-scale military operations? What financial opportunities does the ORLDO have to wage war along the entire line of limitation? Billions are needed .. Not those, not others, do not have such financial flows ..
  • vavilon
    vavilon 24 May 2020 22: 03 New
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    Now it will be too late to attack, there was no need to make any ceasefire at that time more than half of the Ukrainian army would go to your side and live now quietly, and so today the Maidan armed to the Teeth
  • Cypa
    Cypa 25 May 2020 09: 15 New
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    Quote: Fahrer
    But in Ukraine-it was filed as a villainous shelling of positions
    https://www.ukr.net/#homeDetails/video/78627626/

    as much as you can already - on the outskirts!
  • AleBors
    AleBors 25 May 2020 13: 05 New
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    It is unlikely that LDNR will advance without coordination with GDP. Everything will remain the same. And all these actions are a test of the strength of the testicles.
  • lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 25 May 2020 15: 21 New
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    LDPR is the mouthpiece of the current government, respectively, most likely there is an opinion at the top about the military version of the solution to the problem