Last Chinese warning or bluff? LDNR threatens Kiev with “offensive”


Combat readiness



On May 19, on Tuesday, the head of the LPR, Leonid Pasechnik, appealed to Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky with a request to stop shelling, destroying infrastructure in the north of the republic and fraught with the emergence of a humanitarian crisis. Otherwise, the head of the LPR threatened to drop Ukrainian troops from the demarcation line.

“... I want to appeal to the President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky with an urgent request to take measures to stop the unprovoked shelling of our territory, while providing appropriate security guarantees for repair work on critical civilian infrastructure. If such actions continue on the part of the EFU, you, Vladimir Aleksandrovich, will leave us no choice but to take effective and decisive measures to move the line of contact from the specified power line. In a similar way, we will be forced to act while continuing shelling of civilians and other critical life-support facilities. For these purposes, I have already given the relevant instructions on putting the militia units on alert, ”

- said Leonid Pasechnik.

There has not yet been an official response to the appeal, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already answered in their own way, on the night of Tuesday to Wednesday, continuing shelling of the territory of the LPR.

On the verge of collapse


The reason why Leonid Pasechnik made such a harsh statement (although it is unlikely that this is a personal initiative of the head of the LPR, not agreed with the higher authorities) is the infrastructure collapse that awaits many LPR cities if Kiev continues the systematic destruction of power lines and other important objects. The ancient power system, from which not only industry and the residential sector are fed, but also water utilities that provide almost half of the republic, has long been breathing its last, and constant shelling can finally finish it off. Which, in turn, is fraught with a real catastrophe, up to the spread of infectious diseases.

The existing reservoirs in the LPR are not enough. Therefore, the problem, if Kiev does not show goodwill, can be resolved exclusively by military methods.

Already on May 20, the head of the DPR Denis Pushilin made a similar statement, so it is likely that the conflict will extend to the entire demarcation line (all the more so since it is vital to push the APU for many cities and towns of the DPR). The whole question is how prepared in Lugansk and Donetsk for the decisive steps that the population of the republics have been waiting for so long.

Comedian got his way?


The Ukrainian show president played the aggravation initially, from the first days of his presidential term. It is not clear what exactly they achieved in Kiev and what they expected to receive: either new Minsk agreements on their own terms, or new “boilers” and, as a result, an attempt to once again tighten the screws inside the country and beg for money and military assistance from the West , as well as sanctions against Russia. Today with a high degree of probability it can be argued that Zelensky has achieved his goal. There is literally one step left so that the notorious agreements begin to cost less paper on which they are written.

In this situation, it is worth recognizing that the Donbass today is close to the bifurcation point. Especially after such high-profile statements by the heads of the LPR and the DPR. You will either have to inflict a sensitive defeat on Kiev, or sign your own powerlessness and, in fact, issue a carte blanche to Ukraine for even more sensitive operations on the demarcation line. It seems that this time it will not work out to be limited to some paper victory and loud statements.

In this situation, I want to believe that the crisis will really be resolved by the victorious offensive of the LPR. And then it remains to answer one single question: for what did soldiers and civilians die all this time?
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  1. Uncle lee 21 May 2020 15: 21 New
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    how ready are Lugansk and Donetsk for decisive steps
    Basurin said that there was a deafening silence .....
    1. asv363 21 May 2020 16: 13 New
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      Yesterday there were 8 shellings of the DNI, at least twice 120 mm mortars were used. Today in the LPR:

      EMERGENCY STATEMENT by the official representative of NM LPR on May 21, 2020

      Spit on the Minsk agreements and all our attempts to resolve the conflict peacefully, the militants of Ukrainian armed groups continue to shell the territory of the Republic.
      So, today, in the SLAVANOSERBSK direction, as a result of shelling by the EFU ONE, the defender of the Republic was injured.
      Our intelligence revealed the firing position from which the firing was conducted. During the return fire from weapons not prohibited by the Minsk agreements, the enemy position with which the enemy regularly fired on our defenders and also terrorized the civilians of the Republic was destroyed. Losses of the enemy amounted to ONE killed and TWO wounded.
      We appeal to every Ukrainian soldier! None of your shots will go unpunished anymore! For each bullet fired towards the Republic, a commensurate answer and inevitable retaliation await you !!
      Also, according to our observers, at night, units of 93 VFU brigades, frightened by their command with false rumors about the possible offensive of our units, conducted mining of the terrain. Apparently, due to the negligence inherent in the VFU militants, new minefields were not specified in the minefields scheme. This morning, our observers recorded the fact that a supposedly truck 93 of the VFU brigade was blown up on a mine while it was moving from the village CRIMEAN towards n.p. BELOW. According to our data, as a result of the detonation of ONE, the Ukrainian militant died and TROE were injured.

      https://mil-lnr.info/official/zayavleniya/5539-ekstrennoe-zayavlenie-oficialnogo-predstavitelya-nm-lnr-21-maya-2020-goda.html
      1. Driver 21 May 2020 21: 01 New
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        But in Ukraine-it was filed as a villainous shelling of positions
        https://www.ukr.net/#homeDetails/video/78627626/
    2. knn54 21 May 2020 16: 29 New
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      It was a quiet "Bartholomew's Night" ..
      There are two main scenarios:
      - Appeal to NATO for help from Russian aggression;
      -appeal to the UN Security Council.
      In the rest of Ukraine, martial law is introduced with all the consequences for the population.
      1. Insurgent 21 May 2020 16: 41 New
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        The ancient power system, from which not only industry and the residential sector are fed, but also water utilities that provide almost half of the republic, has long been breathing its last, and constant shelling can finally finish it off.


        Everything is the legacy of the USSR, which Ukraine not only didn’t multiply, but didn’t even try to preserve, plundering and leaving only the most necessary, and then in indecent form ...
        1. Hlavaty 21 May 2020 16: 52 New
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          Quote: Insurgent
          The ancient energy system, which feeds not only industry and the residential sector, but also water utilities,

          take effective and decisive measures to move the line of contact from the specified power line.


          An immodest question arose:
          Is electricity coming from Ukraine or Russia from this power line?
          1. Insurgent 21 May 2020 16: 56 New
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            Quote: Hlavaty
            An immodest question arose:
            Is electricity coming from Ukraine or Russia from this power line?

            I am from the DPR, therefore, I know about the situation in the LPR insofar as it is, but it seems to me that we are talking about power lines coming from the Happiness TPP under the control of dill, but also nourishes the territory and the LPR temporarily controlled by dodging.
            1. pogis 21 May 2020 17: 14 New
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              "I am from the DPR, so I know about the situation in the LPR so far as"
              All about the situation in the Donbass in one phrase!
              1. Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 24 New
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                Quote: pogis
                "I am from the DPR, so I know about the situation in the LPR so far as"
                All about the situation in the Donbass in one phrase!

                And what did you want when the events in the LPR occur from me in three hundred kilometers of commercials, and at 80-70, yours "unfold"?

                What situation should I have better?
            2. Vladimir61 21 May 2020 17: 41 New
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              Quote: Insurgent
              but it seems to me that we are talking about power lines coming from the Happiness TPP, which is under the control of dill, but also feeds the territory and the LPR temporarily controlled by ukronatsi ...

              There is a 220 kW line from Russia (Novoshakhtinsk) to the Mikhailovskaya substation. So the topology of the route has developed so that it and the substation themselves are on the battle line.
              1. Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 51 New
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                Quote: Vladimir61
                There is a 220 kW line from Russia (Novoshakhtinsk) to the Mikhailovskaya substation. So the topology of the route has developed so that it and the substation themselves are on the battle line.

                Thank. Maybe you're right. I’m not familiar with the conditions there, we are "powered" from our own sources (quite distant from the front), so as if this allows us to be more confident in the stability of the electrical supply.
              2. Hlavaty 21 May 2020 19: 09 New
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                And who owns the line itself and who sells electricity from it?
                1. Vladimir61 21 May 2020 22: 37 New
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                  Quote: Hlavaty
                  And who owns the line itself and who sells electricity from it?

                  This line has existed since the days of the USSR! If you did not know, then I’ll clarify. After the collapse of the Union, lines, oil pipelines, etc., "entrenched" within the territorial borders. But, in the framework of the agreements, many were used together for pumping surpluses, in emergency situations, etc.
                  Who belongs to? The section from the border with the Russian Federation to the substation runs exclusively on the territory of the LPR! I hope everything is clear.
                  1. Hlavaty 22 May 2020 13: 35 New
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                    Quote: Vladimir61
                    The section from the border with the Russian Federation to the substation runs exclusively on the territory of the LPR! I hope everything is clear.

                    Not at all. You have not answered the question whose property it is.
                    Some enterprises in the LPR continue to belong to the oligarchs and various muddy personalities. A striking example is Akhmetov, who owns enterprises on both sides of the conflict. And by the way, in Ukraine, he now owns many energy companies.

                    Therefore, I will ask directly:
                    Was this line nationalized by the LPR?

                    Or the people’s militia again protects someone’s extra profit.
                    1. Vladimir61 22 May 2020 14: 41 New
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                      Troll? No need, the number is dead!
                      Would you like to know? I think the search engine works for you - type in the search engine State Unitary Enterprise of the Lugansk People's Republic "Republican Network Company" and you’ll learn everything from the source. If you have access only to VO, I’ll reassure you, Kurchenko, yes, he owned, in the recent past, LLC Lugansknefteprodukt, but does not own a republican network company. Confidence Train, Gone!
                      1. Hlavaty 22 May 2020 14: 54 New
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                        Could you calmly answer? No silly trolling accusations.
                        I dialed it in a search engine - I got several links to sites that I can’t even see through a VPN - with us they are somehow qualitatively blocked.
                        Did I understand correctly that this line is nationalized and that electricity comes from Russia?
                      2. Vladimir61 22 May 2020 14: 57 New
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                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        Could you calmly answer?

                        Sure! If a person knows that there is no such information on the network! Yes! Nationalized and owned by the LPR!
                        Do not be offended! But dumbfounded dill and idiots, so sometimes you go to the peddling. Yours faithfully!
                      3. Hlavaty 22 May 2020 14: 59 New
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                        We drove through.
                        But what about the answer to the main question:
                        Did I understand correctly that this line is nationalized and that electricity comes from Russia?
                      4. Vladimir61 22 May 2020 15: 05 New
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                        Nationalized. And the business of Kurchenko, they began to press in the Russian Federation, - probably to roll up his lips in a tube, for trips to the courts. Energy from the Russian Federation since the age of 15.
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  2. Normal ok 22 May 2020 15: 42 New
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    Quote: Insurgent
    The ancient power system, from which not only industry and the residential sector are fed, but also water utilities that provide almost half of the republic, has long been breathing its last, and constant shelling can finally finish it off.


    Everything is the legacy of the USSR, which Ukraine not only didn’t multiply, but didn’t even try to preserve, plundering and leaving only the most necessary, and then in indecent form ...

    Since 1991, in the Odessa region, transformers at substations, protection systems, wires and power transmission poles have been changed several times. I do not believe that in such an industrialized region as the Donbass, Soviet equipment is still preserved. It’s just that over the past 6 years they haven’t invested a dime. And now, "in the best traditions" everyone is blaming on the "successors".
  • Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 31 New
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    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Basurin said that there was a deafening silence .....


    Honestly, this s-s, s-s recourse ... Basurina, for some time now, after understanding the dissonance of what he is talking about and what is happening in real life, I don’t really listen ...
  • Vicontas 21 May 2020 19: 30 New
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    It’s time to give Monica Zelensky the same pleasure that Monica Lewinsky received!
  • Basil50 22 May 2020 04: 54 New
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    Those who stand behind Zelensky dream of making the outskirts of exile out of Zelensky the eternal president. In Europe, there is a rich tradition of feeding exiled presidential monarchs with close ones. With this complementary feeding, the desire to spoil those who refuse to be a colony prevails over common sense and the declared ideology.
    And Zelensky in the rank of the exiled will be a more expensive buffoon on corporate parties
  • pogis 21 May 2020 15: 21 New
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    Are they hoping for vacationers? 90% of those who fought in the 14-15 years. long left the DNI, LC.
    1. AllBiBek 21 May 2020 15: 55 New
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      So most countries in the world have closed borders, and Crimea is not rubber. Yes, and Resorts of the Krasnodar Territory for the service - so-so.

      But soon the vacation season is coming ...
      1. tol100v 21 May 2020 16: 06 New
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        Quote: AllBiBek
        But soon the vacation season is coming ...

        And Voentorg offers travel goods at a discount!
      2. CSKA 23 May 2020 13: 28 New
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        Quote: AllBiBek
        Yes, and Resorts of the Krasnodar Territory for the service - so-so.

        I don’t know where you were, but I can advise you to go to Adler. Service at the best level, as in general in Sochi.
    2. Incompetent 21 May 2020 16: 23 New
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      Why did you leave? And the idea for Russia, the mother against fascist Ukraine crashed in people's heads?
      1. Sergey S. 21 May 2020 16: 41 New
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        Quote: Incompetent
        Why did you leave? And the idea for Russia, the mother against fascist Ukraine crashed in people's heads?

        No need to provoke ...
        Look for a crash elsewhere.
        1. mole 21 May 2020 17: 00 New
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          Quote: Sergey S.
          Quote: Incompetent
          Why did you leave? And the idea for Russia, the mother against fascist Ukraine crashed in people's heads?

          No need to provoke ...
          Look for a crash elsewhere.

          But he is right!
      2. Terenin 21 May 2020 16: 41 New
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        Quote: Incompetent
        Why did you leave? And the idea for Russia, the mother against fascist Ukraine crashed in people's heads?

        If someone thinks that only one national battalion is torn into battle, then they are deeply mistaken And it is
        From the Don highway to Lugansk 36 km.
      3. Insurgent 21 May 2020 16: 43 New
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        Quote: Incompetent
        Why did you leave? And the idea for Russia, the mother against fascist Ukraine crashed in people's heads?

        They did the work, and left, I hope if we get tight again, they will return ...
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          avg 21 May 2020 20: 58 New
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          Quote: Insurgent
          They did the work, and left, I hope if we get tight again, they will return ...

          I hope that the weather will change and the North Wind will grow stronger, right up to the Arctic Invasion. And for good Russia, as the guarantor of Minsk 2, it’s time to crush the batteries and other fire systems that do not fulfill the agreement.
          1. revnagan 21 May 2020 21: 34 New
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            Quote: avg
            And for good Russia, as the guarantor of Minsk 2
            laughing .
            And what needs to be done about good Russia, as a guarantor of the integrity of Ukrainian territory according to the Budapest memorandum? When will it already begin to put pressure on the batteries and firepower of the state that violated the territorial integrity of Ukraine? I can’t wait ....
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              avg 21 May 2020 21: 49 New
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              I hope you will wait. And now in more detail about the violation of the territorial integrity of the fascist Bandera sub-state.
            2. max702 22 May 2020 20: 29 New
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              Have you ever studied what a memorandum is ... According to him, no one owes anything to anyone, this is the intention of the parties and no more ..
        2. mole 23 May 2020 20: 52 New
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          Quote: Insurgent
          Quote: Incompetent
          Why did you leave? And the idea for Russia, the mother against fascist Ukraine crashed in people's heads?

          They did the work, and left, I hope if we get tight again, they will return ...

          The emotional component of the Russian spring cannot be returned. The moment is lost. Because of the crash somewhere.
          I bow to you for the military work!
          1. Insurgent 24 May 2020 07: 46 New
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            Quote: Mole
            I bow to you for the military work!

            At the moment, I while, won his ...

            But if a real, not "strange war" begins, I will return. There is a place And it is .
    3. Vladimir61 21 May 2020 18: 05 New
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      Quote: pogis
      Are they hoping for vacationers? 90% of those who fought in the 14-15 years. long left the DNI, LC.

      1. At 14 and early 15 was "Walk the field." The formation of the corps began after Debaltseve, and this is no longer “free arrows”, but all that is inherent in a military formation.
      2. If you consider SDD "vacationers", then at the last congress it was stated that 30 thousand volunteers of Donbass (SDD), at the beginning of full-scale combat, are ready to return.
      3. Yes, and Russia, judging by the latest statements by officials, in terms of participation in the Norman format and Ukraine’s implementation of the “Minsk,” it will no longer peek “around the corner”.
      1. Sancho_SP 21 May 2020 23: 32 New
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        The fighting efficiency of today's buildings is a big question. Are you sure that the bulk of the fighters there are ready to seriously fight, and did not go to serve because of hopelessness?
        1. Vladimir61 22 May 2020 05: 26 New
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          Quote: Sancho_SP
          Are you sure that the bulk of the fighters there are ready to seriously fight, and did not go to serve because of hopelessness?

          And you try, from "hopelessness" to regularly go to the military, where, for your information, they shoot, where there are always 300s and 200s! And although the contract is only for a year, many have served for several years and are constantly renewing it. So, the backbone in the buildings is solid.
          1. Sancho_SP 22 May 2020 12: 02 New
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            I can not imagine the conditions in which people live there, I can not judge. But in a situation where the only job is a contract, and you need to feed your family, then in case of sluggish intensity you can ride. And on the offensive ...
    4. CSKA 23 May 2020 13: 26 New
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      Quote: pogis
      Are they hoping for vacationers? 90% of those who fought in the 14-15 years. long left the DNI, LC.

      I wonder how you calculated? Personally, everyone was interviewed?))))
  • Terenin 21 May 2020 15: 24 New
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    In this situation, I want to believe that the crisis will really be resolved by the victorious offensive of the LPR. And then it remains to answer one single question: for what did soldiers and civilians die all this time?
    Do you propose to continue to die tolerantly until Bandera's conscience wakes up?
  • KVU-NSVD 21 May 2020 15: 28 New
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    (although it is unlikely that we are talking about the personal initiative of the head of the LPR, not coordinated with higher authorities),
    Yes, without the support and resources of “we are not there”, it will be difficult to put it mildly difficult to bend the VFU. I would like to believe that a fundamental decision has been made and that there will be no rebound if the ultimatum is not fulfilled. In addition, the time is right - because of the crisis, the owners of the Kiev regime are not up to the charges.
    1. tol100v 21 May 2020 16: 09 New
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      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      - because of the crisis, the owners of the Kiev regime are not up to the charges.

      The Maidans themselves are brewing like a cold boil!
    2. naburkin 21 May 2020 17: 21 New
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      It seems that in the LPR the call for reservists has been announced.
      1. Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 39 New
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        Quote: naburkin
        It seems that in the LPR the call for reservists has been announced.

        That in the LC, that in the DNI, there is NO appeal ...
        There is voluntary entry into the service under the “contract” (in quotation marks, because the “contract” in the DPR and LPR is something peculiar).
        1. naburkin 21 May 2020 17: 43 New
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          What I read in the news from inforus, I wrote it.
          1. Insurgent 22 May 2020 17: 41 New
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            Quote: naburkin
            What I read in the news from inforus, I wrote it.

            I checked to clarify - in the LPR announced reservist fees.

            Do you catch the difference between "appeal" and "fees"?
    3. New Year day 21 May 2020 18: 40 New
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      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      because of the crisis, the owners of the Kiev regime are not up to the charges.

      To be honest, in Russia, too, not everything is a rainbow-coronavirus, a drop in production, unemployment, etc.
      1. KVU-NSVD 21 May 2020 18: 55 New
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        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        because of the crisis, the owners of the Kiev regime are not up to the charges.

        To be honest, in Russia, too, not everything is a rainbow-coronavirus, a drop in production, unemployment, etc.

        In 2008, too, not everything was rosy, but decided in a few days. And here, regular troops are not needed, but supplies of resources, volunteers and military specialists at headquarters (or, perhaps, by "remoteness")
        1. New Year day 21 May 2020 19: 25 New
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          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          In 2008, too, not everything was rosy

          I agree, but no one in the world has condemned the actions of Russia. Someone spoke and everyone shut up.
          After 2014, the country was faced with strong opposition and this is also undeniable.
          Now, only with material and technical resources and volunteers you won’t get rid of it - Ukraine also did not doze off and improved its army, realizing that the military solution of the Donbass is the main way.
          And, perhaps, the involvement of Russia in the war is the main goal of Ukraine and its partners.
          1. KVU-NSVD 21 May 2020 19: 52 New
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            Quote: Silvestr
            And, perhaps, the involvement of Russia in the war is the main goal of Ukraine and its partners.

            Even most likely. But this ulcer must be treated sooner or later. And if all the methods are either bad, or useless, or radical, then it’s better to be quick and radical
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              Quote: KVU-NSVD
              better fast and radical
              ... and useless, and very painful.
          2. AllBiBek 21 May 2020 23: 12 New
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            Perfected - how is it?
            Deliveries of cutting-edge mortar "Hammer"?

            Riveting for the insane amount of armored spacers in homeopathic doses?

            Stealing everything else?

            Or, did they develop a new variety of soldiers, especially those resistant to bluing and drugs?

            In fact, all that this army can do is positional warfare in the traditions of not even a hundred years ago, but what the hell. "Creeping offensive" in the absence of opposition, and the offensive - by dragging artifacts a little further forward. With full exposure of the coordinates of these positions up to a meter.

            And this - with the complete absence of attack aircraft as such, is over, and what remains is a lot of use; if they don’t bring it down, it will fall apart in flight, because it’s ancient and the resource is almost at zero.

            In fact - a sedentary war in the style of bananostans of the third world.

            The motivation there is also beyond praise, and the money allowance is decent and without delay, and the equipment and supplies are a fairy tale, not an army.
            1. Octopus 22 May 2020 08: 46 New
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              Quote: AllBiBek
              In fact - a sedentary war in the style of bananostans of the third world.

              Yes.

              Where do you think you are?
      2. revnagan 21 May 2020 21: 36 New
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        Quote: Silvestr
        To be honest, in Russia, too, not everything is a rainbow-coronavirus, a drop in production, unemployment, etc.

        Vooot, therefore, we need a "small victorious war" somewhere close by, because in Syria it’s not like ice either. However, it’s not 2014 in the yard hi .
  • asv363 21 May 2020 15: 35 New
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    There is literally one step left so that the notorious agreements begin to cost less paper on which they are written.

    The only thing Ukraine has observed in recent years is that MLRSs are not applied. Arrivals from any other weapon are mainly civilian or infrastructure.
    1. Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 44 New
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      The only thing Ukraine has observed in recent years is that MLRSs are not applied.

      What are you saying ...

      And we used dill, and we ...

      Personally, he witnessed the use of MLRS in the military unit under Avdeevka.

      What about Cheburashka?

  • Paul Siebert 21 May 2020 15: 51 New
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    When the Natsik is not bent down, they begin to greyhound.
    Today's state on the line of demarcation is the result of our many years of silence.
    It cannot last forever.
    The people of Donbass are at the boiling point.
    Soon we will have to make a decision.
    1. Terenin 21 May 2020 16: 49 New
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      Quote: Paul Siebert
      Today's state on the line of demarcation is the result of our many years of silence.

      For me, this is also more offensive than clashes
    2. Octopus 22 May 2020 08: 47 New
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      Quote: Paul Siebert
      The people of Donbass are at the boiling point.

      This is good.
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      Soon we will have to make a decision.

      Come on, come on. It is high time.
  • 7,62h54 21 May 2020 16: 02 New
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    This is a provocation, do not open fire. There will be no war ...
    Once it was already.
    1. Insurgent 21 May 2020 16: 46 New
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      Quote: 7,62x54
      This is a provocation, do not open fire. There will be no war ...
      Once it was already.

      But ended on May 1945 ...
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        Yes, it ended in May at 45m, and it started at 41m and at what price the victory was won. But we will not leave the topic. You, my friend, are right on your battle couch on the demarcation line. There are not enough such heroes there. Just do not forget to wear brown pants, you never know what.
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          Yes, it ended in May at 45m, and it started at 41m and at what price the victory was won. But we will not leave the topic. You, my friend, are right on your battle couch on the demarcation line. There are not enough such heroes there. Just do not forget to wear brown pants, you never know what.


          I was there for 3 years, and it’s not for you to tell me where, and with what pants I should be. I’ll figure it out without snot.
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      2. revnagan 21 May 2020 21: 41 New
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        But ended on May 1945 ...

        In order for victorious May 1945 to come, the whole country — Kazakhstan, Ukraine and Belarus, Azerbaijan, etc., etc. — exerts strength. And now ... Russia is alone. Even Belarus pretends that it did not understand anything. Around, if not the enemy , then at least a cautious neutral. There are no brothers, the allies are either weak or unreliable. All, Repin’s picture “Sailed” laughing .
        1. AllBiBek 21 May 2020 23: 59 New
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          You compare horseradish with a tram handle, forces against the USSR in 1941 - and the small-town reincarnation of the SS division "Galichina", inflated to the size of an army.
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            You compare horseradish with a tram handle, forces against the USSR in 1941 - and the small-town reincarnation of the SS division "Galichina", inflated to the size of an army.

            And it is And it is lol good
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            Quote: AllBiBek
            forces against the USSR in 1941 - and the small-town reincarnation of the SS division "Galicia", inflated to the size of the army.

            As you know, the visible part of the iceberg is about 10%, which rise above the surface of the water .... Russia's well-wishers have not diminished compared to 1941, given that Germany was not a superpower, and the Russian Federation is far from the USSR.
            1. AllBiBek 22 May 2020 11: 58 New
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              Yeah, just the fifth economy in the world.
              Germany, by the way, is only sixth.
              And ill-wishers increased, yes. In the face of the Baltic extinctions, and a number of geopolitical monsters such as Georgia.
              1. Red Dragon 22 May 2020 16: 29 New
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                And according to what data is the fifth, let me ask? Do you take PPP GDP data for 2019?
                1. AllBiBek 22 May 2020 16: 38 New
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                  Rating of world economies according to the World Bank, last week.

                  And what? Do not feel it on yourself?

                  And inside the third world economy - and this is India - too few people feel.

                  And inside the first one - and this is China - not everything is good either.

                  And how large-scale from a viral infection they are dying inside the second world economy - and this is the USA - well, I think you are following the news.

                  But so yes, everything is bad only in Russia. Oil is extracted as the United Arab Emirates, and 25 thousand dollars in fact do not give. And taxes ... Although no, in the UAE this is now all very sad.
                  1. Red Dragon 22 May 2020 16: 54 New
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                    Well no. I live in Ukraine. The last time in Russia was 7 years ago. wink I’m just clarifying that I looked at the IMF data for 2019, Russia is the sixth there.
                    1. AllBiBek 22 May 2020 21: 07 New
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                      Much has changed here, and not only and not so much new buildings are being built.

                      They just don’t advertise for some reason, as if you don’t look at the TV set - it’s so disgusting show-faces and shameful humor.
                      1. Red Dragon 22 May 2020 23: 41 New
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                        I was born in Nizhny. Over his years, he was in Poland, the Czech Republic, the Netherlands, France, Belgium, Sweden, Hungary, Austria, Italy, Slovakia, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Finland. Everywhere is better than in the Lower laughing
                      2. AllBiBek 22 May 2020 23: 58 New
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                        I grew up in Naberezhnye Chelny, also a so-so childhood.

                        But, over the past 15 years, Nizhny has quite seriously taken up positions from which he is competing on equal terms for the title of the third capital of Russia with Kazan and Novosibirsk.

                        What Nizhny was back in the early 00s - I remember, bydanter and dirtier from what was seen at that time - there was only Kazan.

                        Now Kazan is the cleanest millionaire in Russia. And the Lower - in the first five seem.
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                        May be you wink and right. I have never been to Kazan. I was not in Nizhny in the 90s, in Ukraine in the 90s there was also a garbage dump, I was in my hometown in 2007, 2010, 2013 - so-so city. Compared to Prague, Kiev, even Lviv, nothing. It was a shame when he was born, was the third city in Russia, and now the fifth in terms of population. The people are trying to escape: Moscow, Peter and maybe further. Moscow is impressive, money is all there. But this is so, thinking out loud, I thought why my hometown lost almost 20% of the population. lol
                      4. AllBiBek 23 May 2020 04: 42 New
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                        Last year I had a bunch of creative friends and buddies from Nizhny Novgorod from Moscow and St. Petersburg, because there are, if not more in demand, then stupidly more prospects. In terms of making your way as a modern musician - almost like Ukraine, no matter what they say or think - you can dilute any genre with young nuggets.

                        Another separate bunch of familiar people was replaced in the same Nizhny institute, to teach and work in the specialties, and there is far from being only defense industry and heavy industry. Brain Research Institute, for example.

                        And the same NGLU has recently been heard even more than NSU, in a good way.
                      5. Red Dragon 23 May 2020 04: 55 New
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                        Thanks for the information. wink I left, or rather, my parents took me away from the then city of Gorky in 1986, at the age of 8. None of the acquaintances were left there, just at this age I could not get them. And until 2007, when I visited there again, Nizhny even in a dream seemed the best city on Earth. Tough was a disappointment of course. I then watched Russian television, and they told me that every day everything is better, and they almost surpassed America wink The reality in his hometown was a little different. But nothing to me, my parents were offended, they lived there for more than 20 years, together they graduated from the Gorky Polytechnic University, youth, the best time. Sorry, a little messy, as they say, inspired. Have a nice day. wink
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    In order for victorious May 1945 to come, the whole country — Kazakhstan, Ukraine and Belarus, Azerbaijan, etc., etc. — exerts strength. And now ...

    So after all, in that war, not only Germans fought against us either. Almost all of Europe was against us. Something like the prototype of the EU. And overpowered. But whether Europe will now have a gay parade for some kind of Ukraine is a big question.
  • Pvi1206 21 May 2020 16: 05 New
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    ... I want to appeal to the President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky with an urgent request

    the request is appropriate from the losing side ... it is necessary to demand and act ... constantly strain the leadership of Ukraine, and not endure endlessly ...
    1. Insurgent 21 May 2020 16: 48 New
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      the request is appropriate from the losing side ...

      The losing side cannot insist in the "request", and we can!
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        Quote: Insurgent
        Quote: Pvi1206
        the request is appropriate from the losing side ...

        The losing side cannot insist in the "request", and we can!

        Clarification. Not the losing side, but the armed group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, broken up on the head ... and only thanks to the request of Russia, released from the deadly "cauldrons".
        Ah, in vain!
      2. revnagan 21 May 2020 21: 44 New
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        The losing side cannot insist on a “request”, but we can!

        That is, you have already won, and Bandera people are drying up on Khreshchatyk? Then what are some requests, threats. I pounded my fist on the table, ordered, and-order, Kiev managed and fulfilled everything. Didn’t fulfill it? So the urgent “requests” cannot be found if you are the victorious side?
  • boris epstein 21 May 2020 16: 10 New
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    I’ll make a reservation right away so that I can be correctly understood. You can only end the war by completely defeating the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions and completely clearing the used Ukraine from the nationalists. But as I understand it, a half-way solution is proposed - to throw ukrovsko to a certain number of kilometers. Suppose, to the administrative borders of Donetsk and Lugansk regions. Yes, most likely it will be possible to do. What will happen next? The line of contact (in fact, the front line) is stabilized for these nth number of kilometers further. When retreating (fleeing), Ukraine will blow up bridges, factories, factories, warehouses. Then Ukraine will again build up strength, beg and receive military assistance from the West and continue to fire on the territory of the LDNR. But it will already be other settlements. No, maybe I’m wrong, but I need a complete rout with the signing of the surrender of Kiev and reparations to restore the ruined in LDP.
    1. AllBiBek 21 May 2020 16: 14 New
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      If this happens, it will be a precedent, and decentralization will begin, a lot of regions will also want to.

      And in Kiev they really do not want this.
      1. boris epstein 21 May 2020 16: 17 New
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        Such processes are already taking place in Zaporizhzhya, Odessa, Mykolayiv, Kherson regions. And there you look, Kharkiv will catch up. It’s just that with the counteroffensive of the LDNR corps, these processes can be significantly accelerated.
        1. The leader of the Redskins 21 May 2020 17: 04 New
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          Are you apparently stuck in 2014? It was then that such versions were in use, but in fact: tanks were being rebuilt in Kharkov and new armored personnel carriers were being built, in Dnepropetrovsk they were putting the wounded on their feet, the trade union house in Odessa, and so on. Sorry if I got you out of euphoria ...
          1. Roman1970_1 21 May 2020 20: 38 New
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            Was recently in Kharkov. There are no processes there
          2. AllBiBek 21 May 2020 22: 51 New
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            Well, in the same Odessa one of these days they found one of those who burned people in the house of the Trade Unions, with an ax in the back and a note "Odessa remembers." So everything is not so clear.

            Yes, the East is pumped up by cave nationalism, and it did not start yesterday, but back in the 90s.

            Will it blaze? More likely no than yes. At least in the near future.

            We will see. In five years, a new generation of potential “vacationers” has grown up, and old mistakes have been taken into account.

            So new ones will be made.

            But I will not be allowed to recruit passionate youngsters in Rostov into a “militia”, and then immediately take them prisoner, and even worse, the SBU, I hope.
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              Quote: AllBiBek
              with an ax in the back and a note "Odessa remembers"

              How interesting is the struggle for the Russian world.
              1. AllBiBek 22 May 2020 21: 05 New
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                Yeah, like “Moskalyak on a dime” and “Muscovites on a knife” - so “but what is it like here?”, But how did you get the answer - the classic “but what about us, then?”
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                  Quote: AllBiBek
                  the classic "but what do we want for scho?"

                  No, no, that you.

                  If in Odessa in 2020, supporters of the Russian world go with axes, then here the questions are definitely not for them. Questions to completely different people and organizations.
            2. Normal ok 22 May 2020 16: 41 New
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              Well, in the same Odessa one of these days they found one of those who burned people in the house of the Trade Unions, with an ax in the back and a note "Odessa remembers." So everything is not so interesting that in Odessa no one heard about it laughing Throw the link please.
        2. Saamosus 21 May 2020 18: 42 New
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          What makes you think that such processes are going on?
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          Such processes are already taking place in Zaporizhzhya, Odessa, Mykolayiv, Kherson regions. And there you look, Kharkov will catch up

          Late. We had to think about it in 2014.
      2. Octopus 22 May 2020 08: 49 New
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        a lot of regions will want it too.

        A bunch of regions of Ukraine will want to live the way the Ordlo lives now?

        Very interesting.
    2. really 21 May 2020 16: 25 New
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      Sorry, you are out of your mind. stop
    3. Insurgent 21 May 2020 16: 52 New
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      maybe I’m wrong, but it needs a complete rout with the signing of the surrender of Kiev and reparations to restore what was destroyed in the LPR.


      Well And it is ... Even if before Kiev, or before Lviv, all the same, Russia will have to re-create a non-Bandera, loyal Ukraine, or include it in the entire Russian Federation ...

      What reparations and contributions can be in this case?
      1. boris epstein 21 May 2020 17: 01 New
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        Why re-create Ukraine? Divide it into the provinces and provinces directly (past Kiev) subordinate to Moscow. Here in this case, and reparations will go from the provinces. During the floods in Western Ukraine, the Donbass drove there materials, clothes, products, allocated recovery equipment, rescue and construction teams. Chervonenko, becoming governor of the Zaporizhzhya region, said that every city in Eastern Ukraine contains a similar city in Western Ukraine. Let them repay their debts.
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          Quote: boris epstein
          Why re-create Ukraine? Divide it into the provinces and provinces directly (past Kiev) subordinate to Moscow. Here in this case, and reparations will go from the provinces. During the floods in Western Ukraine, the Donbass drove there materials, clothes, products, allocated recovery equipment, rescue and construction teams. Chervonenko, becoming governor of the Zaporizhzhya region, said that every city in Eastern Ukraine contains a similar city in Western Ukraine. Let them repay their debts.


          In the beginning, let's kill the reptile, and then we will share the skin ...
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          Such a force only - CCCP. The capitalist RF will not do this. If I am mistaken, I will be glad.
    4. revnagan 21 May 2020 21: 48 New
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      a complete defeat is needed with the signing of the surrender of Kiev and reparations to restore the ruined in LDNR.

      The forces of the self-proclaimed republics alone will not be enough for this, Russia will not go to a direct conflict with Ukraine, and the population of the territories recaptured from Kiev is not that in 2014, neither the Russian Federation nor LDNR believes anymore, so, speaking in a chess language, LDNR zugzwange, also time trouble on the nose ....
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      Preventive bombing in places of concentration of forces and means will greatly help to clarify the brain .. Everything is decided .. The Syrian experience here is perfect ..
    6. Grits 23 May 2020 17: 57 New
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      No, maybe I’m wrong, but it needs a complete defeat with the signing of the surrender of Kiev and reparations to restore what was destroyed in the LPR.

      even the liberation of Donbass from banderlogs within the former administrative borders will already be an analogue of the complete defeat of the Armed Forces. It just seems to me that this will not happen. Since taldychat about that for about five years. And every month they prepare for battle and formidable ultimatums throw and angrily wave their fists. Only in real life does not reach. Therefore, they will continue to live under shelling.
  • really 21 May 2020 16: 10 New
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    Pure Hamas, if Russia does not give money, they will start shooting at Ukraine.
    1. Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 07 New
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      Pure Hamas, if Russia does not give money, they will start shooting at Ukraine.

      I wonder why you are being kept idiots in VO, why not banned? Maybe you provide extras with your stupidity?
      But this spoils the picture of the discussion, and so, not always constructive ...
      1. really 21 May 2020 17: 14 New
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        And you are incredibly smart, and your forecasts and opinions are used by all the leading institutions of the world, financial tycoons in the morning call you before the opening of the exchange. If not, have your opinion, and I have mine. Besides, you can not read me
        1. Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 15 New
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          Besides, you can not read me

          And you'd better not write ...
          1. really 21 May 2020 17: 17 New
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            I don’t need a censor, this is for you to Benckendorff
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              I don’t need a censor, this is for you to Benckendorff

              I’m not shredding your “wonderful texts” as a censor, I just suggested that you stumble ...
              1. really 21 May 2020 17: 42 New
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                Start raising others from yourself; it will be beautiful and correct.
                1. Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 52 New
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                  Quote: really
                  Start raising others from yourself; it will be beautiful and correct.

                  Why don't you start with yourself?
                  1. really 21 May 2020 17: 59 New
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                    Because you started a swara, I answered you culturally and politely.
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                      Because you started a swara, I answered you culturally and politely.

                      So be "smarter", "insurgent's boor" ... Will it work? Hardly...
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                        Well, you have to talk, so you are back to normal conversation.
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        I wonder why you are being kept idiots in VO, why not banned?

        Durals and dill are not banned. Banyat those who have an opinion that does not coincide with the opinion of individual moderators, authors or the position of the editors as a whole.
        1. Driver 21 May 2020 21: 09 New
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          They always ban me into me no later than two or three weeks after the new registration, and is it so interesting to find out again?
          Shaw drink ?? ° ©
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            LKW, welcome! hi But really - why are you banned? It seems that the rating doesn’t go too negative ...
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          Quote: Vladimir61
          Quote: Insurgent
          I wonder why you are being kept idiots in VO, why not banned?

          Durals and dill are not banned. Banyat those who have an opinion that does not coincide with the opinion of individual moderators, authors or the position of the editors as a whole.

          You still remember about the owners of the site ... Quite everything will become clear ..
          pc: "The house was gone" (S.)
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            You still remember about the site owners ...

            Have you read to the end that, where are you from it have taken?
  • ALARI 21 May 2020 16: 17 New
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    What is achieving? Looking for an incident belli. He wants the LPR and DPR to attack. After this, the hands are untied to conduct accession of these territories back. Aggression however. All Minsk agreements in the furnace.
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      What is achieving? Looking for an incident belli. He wants the LPR and DPR to attack. After this, the hands are untied to conduct accession of these territories back. Aggression however. All Minsk agreements in the furnace.

      Artem, but they are being killed!
      1. ALARI 21 May 2020 16: 58 New
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        This logic of war is wrong the one who first started. Remember how the second Chechen company began, from what events. If they did not happen, then they had to be invented, but then the militants themselves substituted.
        1. Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 08 New
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          This logic of war is wrong the one who first started.

          You KILLED ME ...

          So who, back in 2014, started? Or forgot?
          1. ALARI 21 May 2020 18: 56 New
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            I didn’t forget. You don’t want to say anything about our Crimea. Ichtamnet, etc. Everyone has a stigma in the cannon. It was not necessary to initially recognize the Bandera coup. And then something selectively your memory works.
            1. Driver 21 May 2020 21: 14 New
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              Bandera’s coup and parashenka were recognized for the sole purpose of legitimizing the seizure of Crimea, if they wanted to end the Maidan’s regime, they wouldn’t recognize the regime, and they put the dick in the country house - sit and be silent silently. And it’s not profitable for Russia to stop the war in the Donbass, since this to some extent justifies the seizure and legitimization of Crimea - they say look at what scumbags in Ukraine are in power, and we saved Crimeans ...
          2. ALARI 21 May 2020 19: 06 New
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            What is happening in the Donbass, the direct consequences of our Crimea. Why one can lower another. In the Donbass that other people do not live like in the Crimea?
            1. gurzuf 21 May 2020 19: 43 New
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              Yes? Sure? What are all the "consequences of our Crimea"? It turns out that we threw Yanukovych from the “barrel”? Also say that he was overthrown legally. R.S. even as a Crimean would like to hear yours - "You don’t want to say anything about our Crimea."
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                Ask our Insurgent about Crimea, I asked him in the light of our discussion with him. They overthrew him illegally, but we recognized the usurper regime, or am I confusing something. As a Crimean I want to ask why you were covered up, and Donbass interfere with mud? Maybe people were not too needed, but Crimea needed, convenient in its geographical, strategic and geopolitical position.
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                  Shhh, I've been banned repeatedly for such words ...
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                  "but we recognized the usurper regime." But, the usurper regime is not recognized in the LDNR! Or I'm wrong. No, I'm not mistaken, the discussion in the article is about the relationship between Kiev and LDNR. Of course, Crimea is "convenient in its geographical, strategic and geopolitical position." But do not forget that we had an arch with its own constitution and almost 100% of the population’s support for leaving Ukraine, which, in addition to the constitution of the same Ukraine, is legal. grounds for legalizing our decision. Yes, probably it was necessary, as for me, to decide with Donetsk and Lugansk as well as with Crimea, alas, something went wrong.
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                It turns out that we threw Yanukovych from the “barrel”?

                No, you recognized the Offspring. And in Ukraine supported ONLY the population of Donbass, which this Offal himself killed. So either remove the cross or put on your underpants. Did you really think that in return for his recognition he would recognize Crimea as Russian? And then he’ll come a new "pres" of Ukraine, and the Russian Federation will hold a new referendum somewhere in Kherson, and again, in return for the recognition of the Russian Federation, the next "pres", he will give you part of Ukrainian territory laughing .Seriously?!
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        2. Terenin 21 May 2020 17: 11 New
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          This logic of war is wrong the one who first started. Remember how the second Chechen company began, from what events. If they did not happen, then they had to be invented, but then the militants themselves substituted.

          I think it is wrong to compare the situation with that of Chechnya and the Donbass.
          By that time, a gangster enclave had formed in Chechnya with the slave trade, drugs, tribute to any businessman, Sharia courts, etc. etc. (I’m writing not by hearsay).
          And Donbass is a hard worker who did not accept the armed coup of Bandera.
          By the way, there is hardly any logic to war. The causes of war have logic, and this is an attempt to solve their insoluble problems.
          1. ALARI 21 May 2020 18: 53 New
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            For the whole world, except Russia, Donbass is not much different from Chechnya in the late 90s. This was known in Russia about the gangster enclave with the slave trade, drugs, tribute to any businessman, Sharia courts, etc. etc., for all the rest, it was a proud freedom-loving people who fought for their independence, from the oppression of Russia. I also remember a lot about how the war was covered both from our side and the west. This is known and understood in Russia by hard workers who have not accepted the armed coup of Bandera, for the rest of the world this is a territory that has come under the control of foreign terrorists and needs to be freed. In the West, they don’t even talk about REBELS, terrorists and everything, and the population is under oppression. So I think so.
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              for the rest of the world, this is a territory that has come under the control of alien terrorists and needs to be freed.

              I remember, not so long ago, as the "rest of the world" (and this is the US’s NATO hangers-in), shouted that "Russia unjustly owns its territory ..." (Madeleine Albright), and "the population of Russia should not exceed ..." ( M. Thatcher). And what were we to do? Give half the territory of the "civilized West" and half the population to strangle?
              Quote: ALARI
              In the West they don’t even talk about REBELS, terrorists and everything, and the population is under oppression.
              and we are not talking about the Rebels, we are talking about OUR people and the Bandera-Nazi scum that shell their settlements.
              1. ALARI 21 May 2020 19: 21 New
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                Rebels are still better than terrorists. I also think that these are our people. I just described what is really happening and how these conflicts are seen by Europe and the USA, or rather they see what they need. And then you understand the partners.
                1. Terenin 21 May 2020 19: 59 New
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                  You can’t give anything away, they gave it back at 91, but it’s time to take off the white gloves for a long time and not play nobility. And then you understand the partners.

                  That's right! And it is
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                    Apparently it’s not yet reached everyone ...
                2. sevryuk 21 May 2020 21: 33 New
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                  "Rebels are still better than terrorists."
                  Call them Loyalists!
                3. Sancho_SP 21 May 2020 23: 53 New
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                  If it were our people, they would recognize LDNR and provide protection. Unfortunately, Russia de jure supports illegal gangs, because neither the LDNR states, nor any parties or organizations on this territory are recognized by Russia itself as the legitimate authority.
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              3. Octopus 22 May 2020 08: 57 New
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                Quote: Terenin
                "Russia unjustly owns its territory ..." (Madeleine Albright)

                This was not stated by Madeleine Albright, but one there an under-war pensioner, if I do not confuse anything.
                Quote: Terenin
                "the population of Russia should not exceed ..." (M. Thatcher)

                This statement is made by one Soviet propagandist, not M. Thatcher.
                Quote: Terenin
                and half the population suffocate?

                And that's what you want. No one will persuade.
        3. pogis 21 May 2020 17: 24 New
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          Then the FSB was the KGB.
    2. Grits 23 May 2020 18: 06 New
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      Quote: ALARI
      He wants the LPR and DPR to attack. After this, the hands are untied to conduct accession of these territories back.

      Is there enough strength to attach back?
  • Karaul73 21 May 2020 16: 55 New
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    Quote: Tol100v
    Quote: AllBiBek
    But soon the vacation season is coming ...

    And Voentorg offers travel goods at a discount!

    And on vacation only through Donetsk. There is a two-week isolation, and then how it goes.
    1. Insurgent 21 May 2020 17: 09 New
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      Quote: Sentry73
      And on vacation only through Donetsk. There is a two-week isolation, and then how it goes.

      There may not be time in 2 weeks ...
      1. Driver 21 May 2020 21: 26 New
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        I’m from Kiev and I’m interested to ask Insurgent - What if it happens that in Ukraine Natsik is removed from power or neutralized below the baseboard, is it possible to reconcile and return Donbass to Ukraine or has the point of no return been reached? Personally, I’m interested in the point of view of local people, cousins ​​and brothers from Khonzhonovka went to Russia and haven’t contacted them yet, and sometimes we help their parents when they come to Kiev to solve their pension problems ...
        1. Insurgent 22 May 2020 14: 55 New
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          Quote: Fahrer
          is the option of reconciliation and the return of Donbass to Ukraine or is the point of no return already passed?

          This option is possible And it is ,available... And it is
          In the event denacified and repentant Ukraine will be part of the Russian Federation ...
  • pogis 21 May 2020 17: 06 New
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    Quote: AllBiBek
    So most countries in the world have closed borders, and Crimea is not rubber. Yes, and Resorts of the Krasnodar Territory for the service - so-so.

    But soon the vacation season is coming ...

    How thin.!
    1. Motorist 23 May 2020 21: 11 New
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      You know, about vacation sounds more believable than about millions of Ukrainians visiting grandmothers in the Rostov mountains ...
  • pogis 21 May 2020 17: 15 New
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    Quote: Tol100v
    Quote: AllBiBek
    But soon the vacation season is coming ...

    And Voentorg offers travel goods at a discount!

    Thinner!
  • pogis 21 May 2020 17: 22 New
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    Quote: Mole
    Quote: Sergey S.
    Quote: Incompetent
    Why did you leave? And the idea for Russia, the mother against fascist Ukraine crashed in people's heads?

    No need to provoke ...
    Look for a crash elsewhere.

    But he is right!

    Because active hostilities ended and the routine of service began, with the "unknown" forces annihilating the most prominent figures of resistance, accompanied by corruption and the decay of the highest echelons of power of the Republics.
  • rotkiv04 21 May 2020 17: 38 New
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    So they allowed the Natsiks to occupy the gray zone with impunity, that’s the result. And what will happen next does not depend on the Donbass, it depends on the position of the Kremlin sitters, and recently they have one position - cancer and have them
  • pogis 21 May 2020 18: 07 New
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    Are they hoping for vacationers? 90% of those who fought in the 14-15 years. long left the DNI, LC.

    1. At 14 and early 15 was "Walk the field." The formation of the corps began after Debaltseve, and this is no longer “free arrows”, but all that is inherent in a military formation.
    2. If you consider SDD "vacationers", then at the last congress it was stated that 30 thousand volunteers of Donbass (SDD), at the beginning of full-scale combat, are ready to return.
    3. Yes, and Russia, judging by the latest statements by officials, in terms of participation in the Norman format and Ukraine’s implementation of the “Minsk,” it will no longer peek “around the corner”.

    And I did not write about this? The internationalist wars from different countries played a key role in the 14-15 years. And yes, after Debaltseve, as if the front line was fixed.
  • skazochnik 21 May 2020 18: 10 New
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    I agree, you need to move the line of contact to Poland, Hungary and Romania.
    1. cniza 21 May 2020 21: 15 New
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      I would like, but not so simple ...
    2. revnagan 21 May 2020 22: 04 New
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      Quote: skazochnik
      I agree, you need to move the line of contact to Poland, Hungary and Romania.

      "Come and take it" (cit.)
      King of Sparta Lonides 1 to the Persian Ambassador.
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        "Your speeches still need the presence of strength and money" (cit.)
        King of Sparta, Hagid II - to another Persian ambassador
        1. revnagan 22 May 2020 08: 28 New
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          Since it’s not possible to come, it means that everything that is required is available wink .
  • pogis 21 May 2020 18: 24 New
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    "I am from the DPR, so I know about the situation in the LPR so far as"
    All about the situation in the Donbass in one phrase!

    And what did you want when the events in the LPR occur from me in three hundred kilometers of commercials, and at 80-70, yours "unfold"?

    What situation should I have better?

    Do you remember how it all began? New Russia and the flag was cool! You have not even created a single information space in 6 years. I’m not talking about other things, how did you get ready to beat the APU without vacationers?
  • pogis 21 May 2020 18: 30 New
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    Quote: rotkiv04
    So they allowed the Natsiks to occupy the gray zone with impunity, that’s the result. And what will happen next does not depend on the Donbass, it depends on the position of the Kremlin sitters, and recently they have one position - cancer and have them

    DAP who took? Where did the north wind blow? Who Voentorg opened in the Donbass? Who took Debaltseve and Ilovaisk? Duck, who was there with cancer then?
  • iouris 21 May 2020 18: 33 New
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    To warn the aggressor is the wrong decision. Surprise and decisiveness, massive use of force are success factors.
  • pogis 21 May 2020 18: 34 New
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    And so yes, if they had consolidated the success of the winter company in 2015 and freed Mariupol, well then it was possible to go to Minsk!
  • pogis 21 May 2020 18: 54 New
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    Video bridge between participants of one battle from different sides of the barricades, unique material
    1. Terenin 21 May 2020 20: 36 New
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      The material may be unique, but interesting in it is only the performance of the Kino group by Viti Tsoi.
      And, like the “revelations” of the fighters, I’ve heard enough of it before ... I can’t, especially if the storyteller also rolls along the “eared”
      1. cniza 21 May 2020 21: 15 New
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        Everything is complex and beyond all human lives ...
  • Radius 21 May 2020 20: 27 New
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    I think that will cost only two points:
    1. APU will receive on the head (there can be no other, because the situation is perfectly calculated);
    2. The demarcation line will move a little west.
    And that's all.
  • Federal1 21 May 2020 20: 35 New
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    When they are preparing an offensive, they do not announce a warning, this is clearly info-pressing on Zeleny against the background of Minsk slipping, no more. There will be no kneading because it cannot be in a nightmare of oil prices and a possible oil embargo in general. The usual swing. Nothing to discuss
  • Suslin 21 May 2020 20: 46 New
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    However, putting the plan into action will be very difficult. First of all, we need resources, both human (fighters) and material (weapons, ammunition, fuel). The enemy also did not sit idle. Minefields, fortified areas and other fortifications are another problem. And it will be necessary to drive the enemy to the Dnieper, at least. Otherwise, it makes no sense to start anything.
    1. cniza 21 May 2020 21: 13 New
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      Everything is correct and their army is already different, and US support, but it is necessary to decide ...
  • cniza 21 May 2020 21: 11 New
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    In this situation, I want to believe that the crisis will really be resolved by the victorious offensive of the LPR.


    It’s hard, but it’s even harder to endure this situation ..., we don’t know much ...
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      Quote: cniza
      we don’t know much ...

      But it seems to me the opposite.
  • Brigadier 22 May 2020 00: 34 New
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    Do not forget that today's LDNR occupy only a third of their real areas - Lugansk and Donetsk. In fact, today they are simply pressed by Kiev to the border of Russia, and even this territory is gradually shrinking ...
    The remaining 2/3 of these regions - Lugansk and Donetsk, are occupied by banderlogs, who occupied them with their "frog" jumps, and now LDNR, if they proceed to active actions, will simply restore the integrity of their territorial entities, nothing more ...
    Well, and of course, the front line was pushed away from their cities, saving their population and infrastructure from shelling, because all agreements on Minsk were no more expensive than a toilet roll ...
    What else do they have to do? Saving the drowning is the work of the drowning!
    Alas ... Today in LDNR is the only way.

    Today the republics think really.
    But they cannot hope for Putin, in fact ...
    no what
    1. Kronos 22 May 2020 01: 05 New
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      They won’t pass it was real in 2014 - 15 now it’s already thousands of dead will be worth
  • pogis 22 May 2020 04: 31 New
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    Quote: Brigadier
    Do not forget that today's LDNR occupy only a third of their real areas - Lugansk and Donetsk. In fact, today they are simply pressed by Kiev to the border of Russia, and even this territory is gradually shrinking ...
    The remaining 2/3 of these regions - Lugansk and Donetsk, are occupied by banderlogs, who occupied them with their "frog" jumps, and now LDNR, if they proceed to active actions, will simply restore the integrity of their territorial entities, nothing more ...
    Well, and of course, the front line was pushed away from their cities, saving their population and infrastructure from shelling, because all agreements on Minsk were no more expensive than a toilet roll ...
    What else do they have to do? Saving the drowning is the work of the drowning!
    Alas ... Today in LDNR is the only way.

    Today the republics think really.
    But they cannot hope for Putin, in fact ...
    no what

    If not for their GDP
    another 14 g would be rolled under the asphalt.
  • Desperado 22 May 2020 15: 10 New
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    The beekeeper is such a storyteller. How will he discard the Armed Forces of Ukraine? The numerical superiority is on the side of “independent” from 1: 3 to 1: 7 in various sectors of the front. For 6 years, the Ukrainian army gained enough experience, unlike the police corps. The level and quality of weapons is higher. Any attempt to push back the Ukrainian troops will result in big losses that cannot be compensated in the near future. Perhaps Zelensky is counting on this. A counterattack and access to the borders with the Russian Federation will mean the loss of the LPR and will bring the loss of the LPR closer in the foreseeable future.
  • TermNachTer 22 May 2020 18: 28 New
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    Actually, it was said that now not one shelling will remain without punishment, there was no talk about the offensive. Apparently, ammunition was brought in, perhaps some other progress has occurred, so far unknown to us.
  • alone 23 May 2020 20: 32 New
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    At the height of the economic crisis, some are ready to reach Lviv lol , others fantasize to reach Rostov lol .. Pasechnik and Pishulin are at least aware that how much money is needed to introduce full-scale military operations? What financial opportunities does the ORLDO have to wage war along the entire line of limitation? Billions are needed .. Not those, not others, do not have such financial flows ..
  • vavilon 24 May 2020 22: 03 New
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    Now it will be too late to attack, there was no need to make any ceasefire at that time more than half of the Ukrainian army would go to your side and live now quietly, and so today the Maidan armed to the Teeth
  • Cypa 25 May 2020 09: 15 New
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    Quote: Fahrer
    But in Ukraine-it was filed as a villainous shelling of positions
    https://www.ukr.net/#homeDetails/video/78627626/

    as much as you can already - on the outskirts!
  • AleBors 25 May 2020 13: 05 New
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    It is unlikely that LDNR will advance without coordination with GDP. Everything will remain the same. And all these actions are a test of the strength of the testicles.
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    LDPR is the mouthpiece of the current government, respectively, most likely there is an opinion at the top about the military version of the solution to the problem