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Pension reform: do not supplement, but cancel

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Follow the right course, comrades!



Today, none of those who have kept the remnants of common sense have any doubts that in Russia they hurried with the increase of the retirement age. In this case, hardly anyone will pay attention to such news: The Russian government has discussed the possibility of easing conditions for early retirement.

The thing is what was discussed at a time when each of us has only one thing in mind: how soon the quarantine restrictions will be lifted. It seems to have begun - the president gave the go-ahead as early as May 12th. And many seemed to have allowed to work, and the capital’s mayor, the main supporter of harsh measures, even opens the JRC / MFC - this is the favorite brainchild of his beloved female deputy.

But the number of unemployed, by all indications, in Russia has already increased significantly. Statistics will be given later, when it will not be so scary. But it’s not entirely clear why the unemployed should be born at all, keeping jobs for those who are ready to free them even today. And at the same time continue to feed, and feed a very satisfying, army of migrant workers. Not to mention the millions of guards, security officials and all sorts of different bodyguards.

Power, as you can see, is such a thing that not only makes you cling to yourself, but with all your strength to "save face." You lose it, you lose power too. Therefore, I really do not want to admit my own mistakes. But thanks already for taking the first tiny step in the right direction. This step was even written down in the plan for the restoration of the Russian economy, which the Ministry of Economic Development sent to the Cabinet.

Have you forgotten yet? Five years are added to the retirement age. Not immediately, but in stages, and therefore at this particular moment, men leave for a well-deserved rest at 60 and a half years, and women - at 55 and a half. Not so scary. The Economic Department proposes that by the end of this year, those who have three years left before can retire. Moreover, without reservations on the total length of service.

It is hard to say how much this will help maintain employment and the labor market, of which the authors of the document are so sure. It is not easy to believe that “initiatives themselves will help reduce social tension and will not require large budget expenditures.” So I want to ask again: is there money?


In fact, the change proposed by a single ministry is not as significant as it might seem. Already today, under certain conditions, those who have lost their jobs two years before the retirement age may be allowed to retire. But they still need to prove that it was impossible to get a new job. How many pensioners managed to prove this, even omniscient statistics do not know.

On the other hand, one can imagine how many officials managed to be employed at labor exchanges so that they would help senior citizens “gather evidence”. Even the new "Putin" unemployed today go through all the circles of hell to achieve a "decent allowance" of 19 and a half thousand rubles. Against the minimum size of unemployment benefits of 4500 rubles, this is a lot of money. But then the “lucky ones" wait a month and a half for the first payments, to which they still have to live.

Twenty five again


Currently, for early retirement, seniority should be 20 years for women and 25 for men. By canceling the requirements for experience, it would be nice to cancel the collection of evidence, since the inability to get a job today does not need evidence. A-priory. Even for young people, not like people under 60 and over 60.

The mitigation from the agency, headed by the person of Sobyanin, 40-year-old Maxim Reshetnikov, one of those to whom the president literally just gave a kind of carte blanche, will almost certainly be supported by our legislators. But they, the legislators, have, so far, at the regional level, for example, in St. Petersburg, managed to say their harsh “no” in response to the idea of ​​returning to their previous retirement age.


Photo by: kremlin.ru

With such a proposal, deputies from the Growth Party, Oksana Dmitrieva and Sergey Trokhmanenko, entered the parliament of the northern capital. Now I would very much like to hope that the initiative of the St. Petersburg opposition will be picked up in other places, including Moscow. But it is very significant that the Russian Pension Fund categorically does not want to comment not only on the idea of ​​legislators from St. Petersburg, but also on the initiative of the Ministry of Economic Development.

Apparently, the FIU is waiting for “go-ahead” from the guarantor himself, although what his “go-ahead” is today, it became especially clear after May 12.

In fact, the "go-ahead" was done very on time, when many offices finally realized that they had broken a lot of firewood. Even by the very procedure for introducing non-working days, due to which established business chains within and between individual industries began to fall apart, and thousands of small and medium-sized companies simply stood up, although they gave jobs to millions of people who also had to pay a salary.

It should be noted that interest-free loans promised by the president cannot be knocked out for this “quarantine” salary even with the most powerful support “upstairs”. My acquaintances, entrepreneurs have already tested for themselves. And unemployment in the country, of course, increased in a way that it actually should not have, although so far the authorities still do not want to admit it.

No one today, in fact, will believe that raising the retirement age will be canceled. Our powerful people do not like to admit their mistakes and to shy from side to side. Nevertheless, due to the extremely acute shortage of funds that have yet to be scattered according to “yours” (those who are on the anti-crisis lists), anything can be expected. And most importantly it will be beautifully packaged.

After all, now no one is demanding to cancel the pension reform as a whole. But to cancel the main negative point is a beautiful move. In skilled hands, this is such a trump card with which you can consolidate your precarious position for years to come. Moreover, there is still the opportunity to take the next intermediate step, which is no longer as tiny as the first.

Which one? Yes, do not cancel the reform, do not even cancel raising the retirement age, but simply suspend. At current marks, sorry for the replay: 60,5 and 55,5 years. Until better times. It will not only be beautiful, it will be elegant, I would even say elegantly. In support of this decision, one can cite a pandemic, which posed a threat primarily to the older generation, and the quarantine itself, which someone rightly called “fake”.

Like, all this slowed down the positive process of growth of average life expectancy in the country that has emerged in recent years. I think you hear the president’s voice. So, we must ... (And be sure to “we”, as the doctors like to say, or the king-priest always addressed the people.) Should, and it’s just that the circumstances have changed - let's not hurry like that anymore. Be patient, commoners.

I’ve been engaged in social and pension issues for at least three decades, and I can’t add on my own - it’s not by chance that they set the retirement age at 60. Yes, it was a long time ago, but it was done taking into account the health and life expectancy in the USSR. In today's Russia, not so much has changed for the better, and with a life span it is hardly worth deceiving ourselves. Even in order to “squeeze” the money earned by the same old people.

Russia can not be compared neither with Italy, nor with Spain, nor with Greece, nor with Europe in general. And especially not to compare with Japan. Nowhere, I repeat, nowhere, even in Iceland and Norway, there is such a harsh climate as ours, there are no such difficulties with a healthy diet, and the environment abroad is somehow better. And life expectancy there is much higher, but retirement age is also higher, but not by much.
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  1. Brigadier
    Brigadier 21 May 2020 05: 12 New
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    All my friends and acquaintances who voted for Putin in 2018, hoping for him and his promises, and who had from 3 to 5 years to retire, today were brutally disappointed in him after his approval of the retirement coup and today they say that they would never have voted for him if they knew that this would happen later.

    Just then they believed him and his promises from 2005 ... Naive people ...



    And today they hate Putin fiercelyalthough only 2 years ago they were for him wholeheartedly.
    But I told them before the election that Putin did not say nothing about his intentions after the election victory, except for general words ...
    After all, if he said that he would do later, who would vote for him?
    Well, if after these speeches he would have gained at least 10-15% !!!

    PERSONALLY I VOTED FOR Grudinin, NOT FOR PUTIN, AND I AM Proud OF THIS !!!
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 21 May 2020 05: 22 New
      58
      This reform, of course, has opened many eyes to the price of words of a promise of power to the people.
      1. saigon
        saigon 21 May 2020 06: 45 New
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        The reform, in addition to opening its eyes, made it practically impossible for the Russian, Russian mentality - it killed faith in the good king.
        The king has a good postulate, the creature boyars died at that very moment, breaking the unity of the people and the ruler. Economic losses are in sight, but the blow to the mentality is not immediately noticeable, only it is worse and more dangerous and stretched out in time.
        At the moment, any actions of the authorities are met, to put it mildly, with no trust.
        Moreover, local officials in this strengthening of confidence are making titanic efforts, which is the story of driving a bolt to direct the first person in the state to pay supplements to doctors, small regional executives rolled Putin's instructions.
        1. Living7111972
          Living7111972 22 May 2020 18: 23 New
          +2
          The government decided, for the time actually worked ... So they paid. None of the regionals can send the feds
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 21 May 2020 10: 57 New
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        Quote: Crowe
        This reform, of course, has opened many eyes to the price of words of a promise of power to the people.

        The most nasty thing in this story is that not everyone has seen their sight and do not understand that the country is flying into the abyss with a yellow spacesuit.
      3. fif21
        fif21 22 May 2020 09: 21 New
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        Quote: Crowe
        This reform, of course, has opened many eyes

        1. Duma elections
        2. Election of the President.
        Bets are made, the choice is ours. hi
      4. smart ass
        smart ass 22 May 2020 21: 48 New
        +1
        I’m still far from retirement, but pension reform simply killed me, as did trust in the authorities.
    2. martin-159
      martin-159 21 May 2020 05: 29 New
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      You just described me!
    3. 7,62h54
      7,62h54 21 May 2020 05: 38 New
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      ... "The year was not easy ... Together ... Well-being ..." and so every New Year on all screens of the country.
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 22 May 2020 21: 50 New
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        For comparison, see the New Year greetings ng of the Chinese leader on YouTube
    4. U-58
      U-58 21 May 2020 05: 46 New
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      Well, we, ordinary people, wrote, what’s it? - they shouted, guys, an increase in the retirement age, an increase in VAT is coming, the next thing is obligatory life insurance. Think it over!
      So what? We were called liberalists, we were defamed as a commune and agents of the State Department in one bottle.
      Grudinin poured dirt after bucket, a lie at the state level. Harassed Pavel Nikolaevich and hooted.
      Got an orgasm from "declared" bank accounts and kilograms of gold.
      Well, these were the opponents of the popular candidate, who worked for the victory of the owner and their hangers-on.
      But here you write: they supposedly hoped for Putin. And this is in 2018 ?????
      Did you (your friends) really find any reason at that time to even believe in Putin and hope in him ??
      But it seems to me that in this case, the machine of zombie and fooling people just worked out in an outstanding way.
      People either voted "on TV", because they stupidly did not go to the elections, giving an additional chance to "properly dispose" of their bulletins.
      Why am I writing this?
      And to the fact that next time everything will be exactly the same, for the machine of influence on our gullible and, to be honest, often not far-off electorate is being improved.
      And again they will vote for the one whom the TV will point to. Be it even a trained baboon.
      1. Qwertyarion
        Qwertyarion 21 May 2020 07: 32 New
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        Quote: U-58
        And again they will vote for the one whom the TV will point to. Be it even a trained baboon.

        Yes, the technology of manipulating the mass consciousness is now on top, they can convince a person of anything, especially the elderly.
        That's just with the pension reform "a jamb" came out, but nothing, they will correct it neatly with beautiful "nishtyaks", but in fact nothing will change.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 21 May 2020 13: 03 New
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          Quote: Qwertyarion
          That's just with the pension reform "jamb" came out, but nothing, they will correct it neatly with beautiful "nishtyaks"

          But can a dead faith in a good king be corrected? Sediment - it still remains
          1. alone
            alone 22 May 2020 20: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: Silvestr
            But can a dead faith in a good king be corrected?

            maybe these conversations are needed in order for the zeroing to go smoothly ..
            As we all know, a promise is always good because it is then forgotten ..
            PS Under the current realities, when the whole world is on the verge of an economic crisis, to go to the interests of the masses is not in the rules of the authorities
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 21 May 2020 07: 53 New
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        And to the fact that next time everything will be exactly the same
        will not be. Back in 2018, I did not like the provocateurs who were allegedly against the president, "but now. Then we will vote like this, but already in 2024". and what? Soon there will be elections via SMS. In principle, the elections were canceled while everyone was locked up.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 21 May 2020 13: 08 New
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          Quote: Gardamir
          In principle, the elections were canceled

          I tell you so, the elections no longer matter because the country is heading into an economic hole, an economic crisis is developing, which is exacerbated by a political one. The model that exists does not allow the development of the country and the preservation of this model in power simply exacerbates the situation. There is no way out and the people will look for it not in the elections, but on the street. This is already obvious. Just a couple of strokes- a dollar at 100 rubles, a drop in purchasing power, the income of the population, which would not pay utility bills and away ...
          1. Dimmedroll
            Dimmedroll 25 May 2020 20: 18 New
            0
            Essentially, Elections do not matter anywhere, since it is simply an instrument for achieving power in many ways. The main thing is to get the country's resources without a fight and that the natives would not notice this. What actually, the Americans did. You think they will easily give it back. Yes, they will destroy the country with your hands. But the change of direction will not change strange. I wonder where the dollar is at 100? In fact, many world economists say that the real value of the ruble in the region of 30-40 rubles. It’s just a speculative game of our partners on it. After all, there is a convenient mechanism. EXCHANGE is called. The fall in purchasing power has been going on for 40 years, and all over the world. And so it started, I beg you 90 did not start, so now it starts? And in 90 it was completely seams. The stores are empty, only to 95 more or less stores were loaded, but the prices. And now the sale of apartments has increased, the sale of cars has increased. Yes, on credit, but people should be able to calculate their strength. I can say that we still don’t throw debtors out of the houses on the street, as they do in the west. So what will you get?
      3. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 21 May 2020 08: 40 New
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        Quote: U-58
        Did you (your friends) really find any reason at that time to even believe in Putin and hope in him ??

        You are absolutely wrong. Many of Putin's promises can be trusted. For example. He promised that there would be no review of the results of privatization. Thieves will not be planted. We will not select stolen goods? He promised. And the word holds.
    5. Mouse
      Mouse 21 May 2020 05: 47 New
      -51
      PERSONALLY I VOTED FOR Grudinin, NOT FOR PUTIN, AND I AM Proud OF THIS !!!

      And where is that Grudinin?
      Take a pie from the shelf ... wink
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 21 May 2020 06: 07 New
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        Quote: Mouse
        Take a pie from the shelf ...

        This is your pie. From power. Eat yourself.
        1. Mouse
          Mouse 21 May 2020 06: 09 New
          -37
          Thank you, I will be full! yes
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 21 May 2020 06: 10 New
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            Quote: Mouse
            Thank you, I will be full!

            Please do not choke. yes
            1. Mouse
              Mouse 21 May 2020 06: 12 New
              -33
              Do not even hope... repeat
      2. U-58
        U-58 21 May 2020 06: 29 New
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        It seems to me that the time is coming when Putin will envy Grudinin ...
        1. Mouse
          Mouse 21 May 2020 06: 31 New
          -27
          Show me a photo .... who is this?
          1. novel66
            novel66 21 May 2020 07: 15 New
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            this is not who, why is this?
            1. Mouse
              Mouse 21 May 2020 07: 24 New
              -15
              I agree ... the right question! In theory, there’s no reason!
              hi so raise a wave ...
        2. novel66
          novel66 21 May 2020 07: 15 New
          -5
          imagine this moment
        3. private person
          private person 21 May 2020 20: 51 New
          +1
          It seems to me that the time is coming when Putin will envy Grudinin ..

          HA HA HA !!! Do you really believe that? A referendum will be held, the Constitution will be rewritten for itself, and he will rule until the end of his days.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 21 May 2020 22: 20 New
            +4
            Quote: private person
            and he will rule until the end of his days.

            maybe a year, maybe five? Who knows how much is measured to him. But 67 is still more than left
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 21 May 2020 13: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: Mouse
        Take a pie from the shelf ...

        similarly about Putin
        1. lis-ik
          lis-ik 21 May 2020 13: 47 New
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          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: Mouse
          Take a pie from the shelf ...

          similarly about Putin

          Actually, neither Grudinin nor even Putin themselves decide anything. First of all, it is necessary to deal with the feudal raw-material elite, who seized the country's resources and will not give up the stolen without a fight, and who will be the president for them is the tenth thing, the main thing is that he will have them offal.
    6. evgenii67
      evgenii67 21 May 2020 05: 59 New
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      Quote: Brigadier
      All my friends and acquaintances who voted for Putin in 2018, hoping for him and his promises, and who had from 3 to 5 years to retire, today were brutally disappointed in him after his approval of the retirement coup and today they say that they would never have voted for him if they knew that this would happen later.

      None of my friends voted for VVP, maybe just in the wrong age category (from 28 to 40 years old my friends and acquaintances), my dad voted for VVP, he sincerely drowned, they say who else but him, etc., and now he says that he will no longer vote for the "Guarantor", but the fact is that more may not have to.
      Quote: Brigadier
      After all, if he said that he would do later, who would vote for him?
      Well, if after these speeches he would have gained at least 10-15% !!!

      PERSONALLY I VOTED FOR Grudinin, NOT FOR PUTIN, AND I AM Proud OF THIS !!!

      Yes, they will draw him again for 70% with a total of 147%.
      I, like most of my friends, voted for Grudinin.
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 21 May 2020 06: 19 New
        -32
        And there was no answer ... where is this Grudinin?
        1. U-58
          U-58 21 May 2020 06: 31 New
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          And finally, he is where his power shamelessly pushed him.
          And what about this?
          1. Mouse
            Mouse 21 May 2020 06: 34 New
            -26
            C'mon ... if I was at least something .... except strawberries .... lol
      2. maximaniak
        maximaniak 21 May 2020 07: 44 New
        +8
        And in my little village I sat as an observer from the Communist Party, and with my own eyes I saw how most of those who came to the polls voted for the edro and the gdp. No fraud needed
    7. 210ox
      210ox 21 May 2020 06: 25 New
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      Zaputin’s government will strangle the hateful and dissatisfied faster than surrender it.
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 21 May 2020 06: 46 New
        -30
        The armored car is idle!
        Forward! And with the song !!!
        1. Mouse
          Mouse 21 May 2020 08: 42 New
          -24
          I look at the armored car of those who want .... do not push in priests ... laughing
        2. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 21 May 2020 08: 47 New
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          Quote: Mouse
          The armored car is idle!
          Forward! And with the song !!!

          And you are so eager to bring the situation to civil war? Are profits of potanins sacred? It is better to fill Russia with blood than at least somehow infringe on the interests of billionaires? Well, in principle, something like that was reasoned year 1910m. And now they are pouring the tears of a crocodile, about Russia that they lost.
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    8. NEXUS
      NEXUS 21 May 2020 06: 34 New
      +5
      Quote: Brigadier
      PERSONALLY I VOTED FOR Grudinin, NOT FOR PUTIN, AND I AM Proud OF THIS !!!

      Well, let's figure it out ... I must say right away that many actions of Putin and his team until the last re-election were, to put it mildly, not to my liking. Well, a fortune with pension reform, in fact, buried popular trust in the authorities. And all the critics of the authorities, of course, were guarding the moment when the Putin team stumbled, waited for this and convinced everyone that it would be so. And so it happened ...
      Now, from all sides it is audible, I told you! It was necessary to vote for Grudinin! For Sobchag! For Zhilinovsky! etc...
      The question to these clever people is YOU SURE THAT UNDER Grudinin, ZHILINOVSKY, THE FOLLOWER WOULD BE BETTER? And then these cries of yours are similar to the fact that you rushed into the future, made sure that there would be just paradise, not life, returned and all the unreasonable you are trying to set the right path.
      I’m thinking that it doesn’t really matter who is in power with us. The question is, who will do the least harm to the people and the country. Notice, who will do the most good and who will do the least harm! Exactly.
      I am also disappointed in Putin’s policies. And not only because of this idiocy with pension reform. The mess in the country that the current government has divorced and without it is enough, starting with corruption at all levels of government, and ending with these cost of living.
      But when I see these slogans, like this, I voted for Grudinin! ... I don’t understand these people ... will I give you an order or a medal? Dear, where is such confidence that this NEXT manager will not throw people and country then? Or, are there even few examples even in our new history? Gorbachev, Yeltsin ... how they all sang sweetly. And there they also said, vote for the future of Russia! And by the end, what happened?
      I’m talking about all this ... guys, learn to at least be responsible for yourself and for your actions and words, because none of those present can answer for the actions of other people. And tie already with these slogans and labels.
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 21 May 2020 06: 43 New
        -17
        As always ... Grudinin came ... and to everyone
        -happiness!!! collapsed immediately, at once ... so to speak ...
      2. U-58
        U-58 21 May 2020 06: 51 New
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        It would not be better, you are right.
        Not a month, not a year to rectify the situation. After all, it collapsed over the years. For years it needs to be fixed.
        People protesting, expressing their aspirations for measuring development vectors in all areas of society.
        As for Grudinin (whom almost everyone seems to have voted for, including me), his case was a vivid example of a violation by the authorities of democratic principles. And if some support him, sharing a position, others express his support as a victim of the regime, hunted down and deprived of a well-deserved and logical victory.
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 21 May 2020 08: 55 New
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          Quote: U-58
          Not a month, not a year to rectify the situation.

          For a week you can. Just enter the income scale as in China. With a tax of 0, with incomes up to 50.000 and up to 45% for a million and above, and immediately a lot of problems will be solved. And in the budget, money will be 1.5 times more, and the financial situation of the poor will instantly improve, and noticeably, consumer demand will increase as a result. And that means new jobs will appear. And just 1 bamboo checkout ...
          1. vprnik
            vprnik 21 May 2020 09: 46 New
            +1
            The official salary of more than 100 thousand (according to the Federal State Statistics Service) receive a little more than 8 million people. You will not collect half of the current income tax.
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 21 May 2020 10: 26 New
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              Quote: vprnik
              You will not collect half of the current income tax.

              Extremely controversial.
              1. According to Forbes, sn 10 of the richest managers of the Russian Federation, cumulatively, without cents, $ 100 million. Or 7 billion rubles. Plus 2 billion to the budget, only with ten person. With the introduction of the Chinese scheme.
              2. This applies not only to taxes on salaries, but also to revenues in general. 15% on dividends from us, 35 in China. And using the Chinese experience, only one Norilsk Nickel would give to the budget, last year, $ 900 million more. 60 billion rubles. 0.3% of last year’s budget. Yes. The most profitable, but only one the company would make it possible to order a pair of frigates for our Navy. Or aircraft, for the videoconferencing. But ... Mr. Potanin's interests come first. But the Navy and VKS let them slurp their paws. They already have too many ships and fighters.
              3. In terms of income inequality, Russia is one of the world leaders. Along with the United States and China. But if in the United States and China this gap is at least somehow leveled off by a progressive scale, and about a third of excess profits are withdrawn and sent for the benefit of the state, then we have .... About 40% of all the country's income is withdrawn from circulation, and preserved in offshore accounts , yachts and other sports cars. This is a natural bleeding of the economy. If the poor spends his money on food, a communal apartment, clothes, etc., and thereby spurs demand, and hence production, then the gentlemen of the Lisiberga stupidly preserve money in luxury goods, of purely West-Eastern origin, London mansions, yachts and etc., directly killing the very economy.
              PS
              Gentlemen are Zaputintsy minusers. You either remove the cross or put on your underpants. You already decide what is closer to you. The good of the country as a whole, and the army with the fleet in particular, or the masters of the Potanosechin. And then in words you are such patriots, such patriots. Already a tear runs. And how it comes to practice ... Your patriotism evaporates instantly. Personal skin is instantly closer to the body.
              Dixi
              1. vprnik
                vprnik 21 May 2020 15: 49 New
                -5
                According to your first point: take an ordinary Zamkadovsky Russian - 30 thousand. before tax. The tax is 48 thousand per year (you have calculated the salaries of managers for the year). From 62 million such taxpayers - 3 trillion. income. (which you proposed to reset). This is fantastic, and not scientific for our state.))). Although I personally do not mind, cancel a couple of national projects and there are no problems.
              2. your1970
                your1970 21 May 2020 16: 36 New
                -1
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                60 billion rubles.
                -20 billion goes in a day(!!!!!) retired and benefits
            2. AUL
              AUL 21 May 2020 11: 29 New
              +6
              Quote: vprnik
              The official salary is more than 100 thousand.

              Often, the official salary (for those who are over 100 thousand) is invisible against the background of other incomes (all kinds of bonuses, bonuses, their candle factories, lectures, consultations, etc., etc.). And the tax is taken from all types of income. Even with a win in the lottery!
          2. Terenin
            Terenin 21 May 2020 10: 59 New
            -11
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            For a week you can.

            Quote: Lannan Shi
            And in the budget, denezhek will be 1.5 times more, and the financial situation of the poor will instantly improve, and it’s noticeable

            If you are still not in a fairy tale, then the wrong wizard is with you winked .
          3. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 22 May 2020 12: 08 New
            0
            You wrote correctly, but the IMF will be against it and will not give us such recommendations.
      3. parusnik
        parusnik 21 May 2020 07: 14 New
        +9
        Or, are there even few examples even in our new history? Gorbachev, Yeltsin ... how they all sang sweetly. And there they also said, vote for the future of Russia! And by the end, what happened?
        .... To dance on a rake, and on a children's one, "this is our tradition and we keep it" (c) laughing
      4. AUL
        AUL 21 May 2020 11: 22 New
        +8
        Quote: NEXUS
        The question to these clever people is YOU SURE THAT UNDER Grudinin, ZHILINOVSKY, THE FOLLOWER WOULD BE BETTER?

        Answer - ARE YOU SURE THAT HAS BEEN WORSE? (I'm not talking about Zhirik and Ksyusha)? The current guarantor has already shown that his words are worth it. So maybe try a character who has not yet compromised?
        1. bk316
          bk316 21 May 2020 12: 24 New
          -5
          So maybe try a character who has not yet compromised?

          Try, who is against it. By the way, I will very grateful if you tell me who to try for. Liberasts and puppet clowns do not offer.
      5. bk316
        bk316 21 May 2020 12: 22 New
        -3
        YOU ARE SURE THAT UNDER A BREAKFAST, ZHILINOVSKY, THE FOLLOWER WOULD BE BETTER?


        I'm sure it would be worse. Yes, but this is a purely hypothetical question.

        Well, really comrades "communists" well, you can't be so naive. Well, it is obvious that Grudinin is a purely dummy figure and not even as bulk, but as a disposable politician.
        Yes, what a politician there! He stopped growing strawberries. I understand that there is no collective farm? Experts, do not tell me? And it must be admitted that it was convenient.

        Regarding 146%, I have two employees in the department who were observers from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. One because he generally likes the process, the other VERY wanted to detect violations. AND NOTHING. Well, yes, pensioners clearly voted for it, mostly (if you look closely it’s immediately clear who is for whom), but the youth didn’t come to the polls ....
      6. New Year day
        New Year day 21 May 2020 13: 14 New
        +9
        Quote: NEXUS
        The mess in the country that the current government has divorced and without it is enough, starting with corruption at all levels of government, and ending with these cost of living.

        so do you need to change it? - Gotta! And you think that the swamp can be drained without drainage? Elections, a change of power are the drainages of the country. But they are not. Power is bathed in self-deception, the king lives in illusions. How long can this go on?
        1. bk316
          bk316 21 May 2020 13: 27 New
          -7
          How long can this go on?

          Greetings. Well, the answer is obvious. Until he dies.
          It may end earlier but not later.
          And this is not a joke for history, it is a moment.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 21 May 2020 15: 16 New
            +5
            Quote: bk316
            Greetings. Well, the answer is obvious. Until he dies.

            good afternoon! I agree! Only then, when denying even the thought of it, what will his apologists do and say?
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 21 May 2020 18: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: Silvestr
          Power is bathed in self-deception, the king lives in illusions.

          And the people do not live in this self-deception, no? That is, when a person says, for example, that under Grudinin it will be better, or under Zhil, he directly operates with the realities of tomorrow?
          I’ll ask a question to ALL who drowns here for Grudinin, Putin, and at least for Vasya Pupkin, the Lord, and with what re-drink did you decide what would be better? Or is Grudinin not a part of the capitalist dollar world? Or maybe Gilles is so truthful that he is the Messiah who will pull the country out of the shock of the village?
          So who is swimming there in self-deception? Maybe the citizens of the Russian Federation themselves want to be deceived by so much that they are sitting here and scribbling comments about what would be better under Grudinin? And from what a break then? From the fact that this frame drove them on the ears? Or maybe these citizens have a time machine that they looked at the future and know exactly what will be better?
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 21 May 2020 22: 25 New
            +3
            Quote: NEXUS
            , and from what re-drink did you decide what would be better?

            to open the next door, you must close the previous one;
            in order to move to a new level --- you need to complete the past;
            to find something new - you need to get rid of everything old.
            Leaving the door ajar, you won’t get anywhere ... in the same place and you will stand.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 21 May 2020 22: 27 New
              -2
              Quote: Overlock
              you need to get rid of everything old.

              Somewhere I heard it ... oh yes - We are ours, we will build a new world. Just while they were building, several tens of millions of people had to be disposed of ... yeah.
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 21 May 2020 22: 59 New
                +1
                Quote: NEXUS
                Somewhere I heard it ... ah

                Life is movement, but we are not moving. Rather, we are moving ... in the opposite direction ... to the USSR. We do not decide anything; HE decides everything for us. How did you graduate from the USSR
      7. bk0010
        bk0010 21 May 2020 15: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: NEXUS
        YOU ARE SURE THAT UNDER A BREAKFAST, ZHILINOVSKY, THE FOLLOWER WOULD BE BETTER?
        There will be a chance for improvement.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 21 May 2020 16: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: bk0010
          There will be a chance for improvement.

          Are you sure about that? Tell me, where did you get such blind confidence that it would be better? You do not even personally know either Grudinin, or Zhilya or Sobchag ... so where?
          When Tagged appeared, everyone also squealed that it would be better. That the time for change has come. And now we will heal ... do you recall the result? With EBN, the story is even more fun, under the same words about the bright future of Russia.
          So dear, can you justify your confidence in your thesis based on not what you were told, promised, or because someone else is better than Putin?
          Here I look about pension reform, about pensions, about worthless life in every comment ...
          So at least explain to me that with what a binge, rich, successful people should think about us mere mortals? Because of sincere patriotism and love for the motherland? So why do these loving gentlemen keep their millions in Western banks? Why send their children to study in the West? Why isn’t that what they should do for the country (which any Russian understands) is not being done?
          Here, many do not care deeply about Grudinin or some other candidate ... they did not vote for them, but against Putin. Do you feel the difference in accents?
          You personally, you can now confidently say, for example, that under Grudinin there would be no corruption, poverty, no increase in prices for everything?
          1. bk0010
            bk0010 21 May 2020 17: 54 New
            +4
            The CHANCE for improvement. So understandable? In addition, all sorts of millers with rottenbergs are discarded from large companies, with the advent of which Gazprom, for example, slid from $ 350 billion in capitalization to 60.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 21 May 2020 18: 00 New
              0
              Quote: bk0010
              A CHANCE for improvement will appear.

              What hangover? No need to write slogans here, dear. After Mechenny, EBN, Medvedev and Putin, I no longer believe anyone. So understandable? Why do you have such blind faith in what will be better?
              Grudinin rode the ears of the electorate, like everyone else, including Putin, like, believe me, I'm good. And what?
              Vaughn Navalny also cares about the Russians and speaks so believably, he just wants to rewrite the apartment and give a kidney to him.
              So, dear? Can you justify your thesis about what will be better without slogans and any idle talk?
              1. bk0010
                bk0010 21 May 2020 21: 12 New
                +4
                Quote: NEXUS
                Can you justify your thesis about what will be better without slogans and idle talk?
                They decided to starve? Attribute to me your fabrications and demand to confirm them? My thesis is that there will be a chance that it will be better. Just because something will change, the sucked thief will be driven. Can a new thief come in their place? Quite possibly. But if nothing changes, then it won’t get any better.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 21 May 2020 21: 18 New
                  0
                  Quote: bk0010
                  They decided to starve? Attribute to me your fabrications and demand to confirm them?

                  Own? Or is it your horse in a vacuum?
                  Quote: bk0010
                  A CHANCE for improvement will appear. So understandable? In addition, all sorts of Rottenberg millers

                  Is this your pearl?
                  Why did you decide so? Che for a chance?
                  I can just as well say, for example, that we need to return the monarchy altogether and then there will be a chance that everything will improve immediately. With the same set of slogans that you wrote here.
                  Quote: bk0010
                  But if nothing changes, then it won’t get any better.

                  That is, you did not understand at all what I said ... I will repeat for those who are in the tank, WHAT DO YOU TAKE WHAT WITH THE ARRIVAL OF THE NEW STEERING SOMETHING WILL CHANGE IN GENERAL? AND MORE TO THE BEST ... Did these politicians tell you this?
                  1. bk0010
                    bk0010 21 May 2020 21: 32 New
                    +5
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Is this your pearl?
                    This is my!
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Why did you decide so? Che for a chance?
                    From such that new people will come.
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    WHAT DO YOU TAKE THAT WITH THE ARRIVAL OF THE NEW STEERING SOME SOMETHING WILL CHANGE IN GENERAL?
                    I repeat, with the fact that new people will come. Others. And they will definitely drive away the current thieves. For myself or for the country is another question. But they will. It makes no sense to continue to feed the homies of the former government. Just because the country is robbed on a terrible scale. I have already told you about the capitalization of Gazprom. I will give another example: now the price of oil is the same as in 2006, but then the rate was 27 rubles for $, and now it is 71. The inflow of money into the country is the same, why is the rate different? Previously, they did not have time to steal so much, something reached the state.
                    Do you like the current thief? Your business. But it will bring the country to a pen. Or before the revolution. And now the shock did not stop me at all.
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 21 May 2020 21: 41 New
                      -1
                      Quote: bk0010
                      I repeat, with the fact that new people will come. Others. And they will definitely drive away the current thieves.

                      Yeah ... replaced by thieves from the Mechny team, thieves came in the EBN team. And afterwards it smelled of improvement and grace.
                      Dear, do you know these NEW people?
                      Quote: bk0010
                      Do you like the current thief?

                      Nope ... I don’t like ANY thief. And all the more, I won’t speak so confidently about the honesty and decency of people I don’t know, especially those who climb out of their underwear to take the throne of Russia.
                      Quote: bk0010
                      And now the shock did not stop me at all.

                      You contradict yourself, dear. For example, Grudinin will come ... and instead of shob showering you with manna from heaven, he will tighten the nuts so that you will howl ... and then what will you begin to babble? Or are you sure this cannot be? Believe me, it can!
                      The very Grudinin is your child and the upbringing of the financial system, against which he will not go because he does not go. Moreover, he is not a saint to think of you poor fellow, because if he even tries to change something, this car will chew and spit it out. And you think it is naive that he does not understand this?
                      1. bk0010
                        bk0010 21 May 2020 21: 45 New
                        +2
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        For example, Grudinin will come ... and instead of shob showering you with manna from heaven, he will tighten the nuts so that you will howl ...
                        What nuts will he tighten? What we have not yet screwed up (for ordinary people)? There was no quarantine, and the right to free movement was limited, spitting on the constitution. We don’t need to tighten any nuts with our ships - they will do what they say.
                        Also, what are your suggestions? You are what you want, for whom will you vote?
                      2. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 21 May 2020 21: 50 New
                        +1
                        Quote: bk0010
                        Also, what are your suggestions? You are what you want, for whom will you vote?

                        Is there anyone to vote for? I’d vote for a friend, hard worker Vovka. He didn’t take a stranger in his life and lived according to his conscience. But you only need a balabol-Grudinin, who hung three wagons of happiness and a bright future for you. However, these wagons hung everything, including the main helmsman.
                        Quote: bk0010
                        What nuts will he tighten? What we have not yet screwed up (for ordinary people)?

                        In the presence of greed, imagination and disregard for your aspirations, as a simple person, it is easy to find the nuts and put switchmen. Are you in doubt?
                      3. bk0010
                        bk0010 21 May 2020 22: 08 New
                        +2
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        I’d vote for a friend, hard worker Vovka. He didn’t take someone else’s life and lived according to his conscience.
                        Yes? Good. Make him a presidential candidate, I will vote for him.
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Are you in doubt?
                        There is little: to make me worse - no problem. Benefiting from this is hardly possible. "People are the new oil." Nasty things that are not profitable are unlikely to be done.
  2. Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 21 May 2020 22: 14 New
    +2
    A minute ago I read the theses from the Grudinin program laughing This is a populist. This is what I understand. Infection. Almost Brezhnev.
    - Bucks only buy cheaply
    (Yeah, everyone rushed to sell them at a cheap price to us) In the domestic market, a buck will become ten times more expensive. Ahhh at sea, I want to bring the kids to Turchaga.
    - break with the WTO
    Well done. Breaking does not build. We break all ties, 25 billion over the past year from sales (I took this as a minimum) nafig. A bunch of sharpened companies fuck.
    and below the highlight)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
    - the introduction of long-term 15-20-year programs to protect the domestic market in the main priority sectors of the economy (machine-tool industry, aircraft and shipbuilding, microelectronics, biotechnology, agriculture, etc.), with a gradual decrease in the level of protection as the manufacturer develops,
    wink wink wink 15-20 year old programs? Shameful. As 40 years ago they threw themselves into long-term construction, so this long-term construction ridiculed their candidate.
    But ...... The discussion is cool. We were all here in gray mass. Now I can at least see that for some COMRADES to whom I tried to explain something it turned out to be useless to do this in principle.
    Here, some need again in the 90s. But only there and leave .... That would rot in them, with slogans.

    PS. The phrase about the 90s is an "indicator" (I want to see my comrades with dust in my head even better)
    ))))))))))))))))))))))).
    1. Aborigen4ik
      Aborigen4ik 27 May 2020 15: 14 New
      0
      good breast and zyuga are also those compopulists
  • DNS-a42
    DNS-a42 21 May 2020 06: 51 New
    15
    Quote: Brigadier
    But I told them before the election that Putin did not say nothing about his intentions after the election victory, except for general words ...

    IN AND. Lenin on bourgeois democracy: "narrow, truncated, false, hypocritical, paradise for the rich, trap and deception for the exploited, for the poor."
    1. bk316
      bk316 21 May 2020 12: 28 New
      +1
      IN AND. Lenin on bourgeois democracy:

      And after all, that characteristically he was right. In general, he was often right. We should all read it more often.
      For example, then there would be fewer Zagrudinites and you look A REAL communist would be found, well (okay now it’s impossible), at least a socialist ....
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 21 May 2020 12: 36 New
        +8
        Quote: bk316
        And after all, that characteristically he was right. In general, he was often right. We should all read it more often.
        For example, then there would be fewer Zagrudinites and you look A REAL communist would be found, well (okay now it’s impossible), at least a socialist ....

        Yeah, cleverly you treat Lenin (misinterpreting).
        And you clearly tell the people that you are a Putinist, because it directly from your comment testifies.
        I also voted for Grudinin and never hid this, since the only alternative to Putinism in 2018 was Grudinin's candidacy.
        And you voted for Putin, respectively, share responsibility for what is happening in the country and for raising the retirement age, including!
        1. bk316
          bk316 21 May 2020 13: 04 New
          +1
          And you voted for Putin, respectively, share responsibility for what is happening in the country and for raising the retirement age, including!


          Honestly, I voted for the presidential just for Grudinin. Not because he believed in him, but because he wrote here in VO that he deserves a chance, and also argued that he would not show anything with my voice or without mine. And I WIN THE DISPUTE if I remember Gardamir correctly.

          In Moscow 2019, I did not vote because I was in Kamchatka. But there I would vote for a specific person and not a party.

          SO YOU ARE NOT RIGHT. And the difference between you and me, is that I sensibly evaluate the actions of certain people. That is, I am not a messenger, but for Putin in his right endeavors. And you do not appraise sensibly (WELL BECAUSE NO Grudinin is ALTERNATIVE — A substitute for this), that is, you are a zagrudin. Do not be offended. True, read the classics, then you can distinguish false leaders from real ones.

          By the way, I have one more position, which many people lack in VO. I give an assessment to those events and decisions in which I am professionally versed. I do not understand the pension economy, therefore, I do not evaluate it. But about the pension about 5 years ago I wrote - I do not count on state pension and do not advise you. Why? If interested, we can discuss.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 21 May 2020 13: 23 New
            10
            Quote: bk316
            But about the pension about 5 years ago I wrote - I do not count on state pension and do not advise you. Why? If interested, we can discuss.

            I have been repeating this for 20 years. Pension in the current ruble equivalent can safely be called a handout! But even this minuscule state is not going to pay, which speaks of its anti-people, and not social essence, and this is a clear spit on the constitution.
            As for the rest, in order not to engage in verbal balancing act and ostentatious knowledge of the classics, I will say a simple thing, but Grudinin was a setup to show the inhabitants all the "no alternative" of a friend of friends, but for many he became a "ray of light ..."
            From the outset it was obvious to me that no one would give Grudinin to win, Lenin just clearly speaks “about elections in a bourgeois state, but I was wondering how much society could unite“ against. ”And the fact of such a unification is also obvious to me, for the“ alternative ” everything, from the communists to the monarchists, this is what is important, and the fact that no one will give up the power so easily, Duc is absolutely understandable.
        2. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 22 May 2020 18: 11 New
          0
          The authorities are always responsible for what is happening in the country. It remains to find out who this power is.
          https://youtu.be/6Vv7KeEpyz8
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 May 2020 07: 18 New
    -13
    Quote: Brigadier
    PERSONALLY I VOTED FOR Grudinin, NOT FOR PUTIN, AND I AM Proud OF THIS !!!

    Do not count your chickens before they are hatched. Still be ashamed of the stupidly cast voice. Give Platoshkin-Prilepin again, since you didn’t tell Zhirik. repeat
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 21 May 2020 12: 40 New
      +6
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Do not count your chickens before they are hatched. Still be ashamed of the stupidly cast voice. Give Platoshkin-Prilepin again, since you didn’t tell Zhirik.

      Well, teach us orphans for whom it is necessary to vote, otherwise your Putinism is still not fed up!
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 21 May 2020 18: 08 New
        +3
        Quote: Stroporez
        Well, teach us orphans for whom it is necessary to vote, otherwise your Putinism is still not fed up!

        But I’m fed up with all these mirror-like honest and conscientious people like Grudinin, Putin, Gilles, Sobchag, Navalny and so on ...
        Grudinin, after all, is the same millionaire, right? As one rich said, I can report for each of my dollars, but do not ask me how I earned my first million.
        And of course, all these gentlemen, of course, care about the welfare of ordinary Russians. fellow They don’t sleep at night. wassat
        Without exception, all politicians, and even more so presidential candidates of such a tidbit as Russia, TRAFFIC, and LIARDS. Want to challenge it?
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 22 May 2020 12: 45 New
          +4
          Quote: NEXUS
          Without exception, all politicians, and even more so presidential candidates of such a tidbit as Russia, TRAFFIC, and LIARDS. Want to challenge it?

          Greetings, NEXUS! drinks To argue or dispute? laughing I'm not a stern lawyer wink I can once again voice my position, for me Grudinin is a hundred times better than Putin in all respects, this is time. Second, even the devil with horns and hooves, again, is better, even he could not have done so much "good" to my Motherland.
          And third, choosing between you NEXUS and the designated characters, I would choose you. I’m not even ironic, but stating a fact.
          But you don’t come forward ....
  • Civil
    Civil 21 May 2020 07: 57 New
    16
    The pension "reform has taken place" and NOBODY will cancel it. Howling on the Internet of pre-retirees is not heard or needed by anyone. By the way, your children and grandchildren are the same aggressively obedient majority. Watch TV on and on it was necessary in 1991 to defend the socialist gains.
    Familiar true words? Hello to the retirees from the Bolsheviks, whose cause you all betrayed.
    1. bk316
      bk316 21 May 2020 13: 41 New
      +4
      watch TV further, it was necessary in 1991 to defend the socialist gains.
      Familiar true words? Hello to the retirees from the Bolsheviks, whose cause you all betrayed.

      But I agree with that.
  • Lyuba1965_01
    Lyuba1965_01 21 May 2020 08: 49 New
    +3
    I agree with everything except Grudinin. Do you really believe that a millionaire who does not even remember how many accounts he has will be for ordinary people?
    Even if we assume that he is so good, good, how do you imagine him as the president of the country, and even in such a difficult time?
    Grudinin-president is the same as the school supply manager became the country's education minister.
    1. U-58
      U-58 21 May 2020 09: 50 New
      +9
      Well, of course, we will not choose a business executive.
      We like the intelligence officer, who was engaged in the type of recruitment for beer houses, and then, due to the lack of significant achievements, he was put into the active reserve (there are no known pensions in the Office).
      One developed agriculture, bought equipment, seeds, fertilizers, was engaged in repair, export of manure, built housing and kindergartens, paid high salaries to workers — such a bad one.
      Another was the head of the 1st department at the university, and later sold the property of Leningrad.
      Here is such a good for you ..
      So what?
      1. bk316
        bk316 21 May 2020 13: 13 New
        -3
        Well, of course, we will not choose a business executive.

        Well, firstly, the president is not a place for the business executive, this is for the prime minister.
        Secondly, well, what kind of business executive is he - a typical huckster.
        Did he establish complicated production?
        Built a factory like VAZ from scratch?
        Did you implement or work out a project for the development of any branch of the national economy?

        People, you just stupidly lit up threw a wave of a red rag.

        Well, at that time this power just pinned you, but after all, someday there will be a real choice and you will vote for someone like Hitler. Well, how does he have a working and socialist party ....
        1. U-58
          U-58 21 May 2020 14: 06 New
          +7
          You want to say that after weeks of Hitler’s work as chancellor, the German people cursed him as a cruel dictator?
          No way. In a short time, unemployment was eradicated in the country, followed by mass poverty. Look at the old chronicle. That paroxysm of devotion was not a production trick.
          The people of their chancellor literally carried in their arms. And there was a reason.
          And the frames of the Anschluss? Yes, the Austrians were ready to kiss his boots for joining Germany.
          So from now on, select examples more carefully.
      2. Lyuba1965_01
        Lyuba1965_01 21 May 2020 22: 45 New
        -4
        They say that women tend to live emotions, men think with their heads and rely on logic.
        Well, try turning on the logic.
        Do you want Grudinin to lease the remnants of Russia, how he leased to the traders the land of his collective farm?
        I don’t think so, but it’s quite possible.
        Have you carefully read Grudinin’s election program?
        Only 2-3 not very significant points are feasible there, the rest are pure populism.
        Where will he find money for everything?
        How his changes will respond to the country economically and politically (remember the revolution and nationalization, and now it will be much tougher and worse).
        Are you sure that he is going to execute this program in general? World practice shows that the election program is NOT run in 99% of 100.
        The business executive in power. Let's say. But do the examples of Trump and Lukashenko really tell you nothing? Trump generally leads the States to an unknown destination, even the most devoted vassals turn their backs on America. Lukashenko would not have stayed in power, if not for the help of Russia.
        Not a business executive, or even an economist should be in power, but a politician, moreover, an experienced one.
        Whatever Putin may be, he has an economic education.
        And the KGB school was one of the strongest in the world, there they taught and understood politics, psychology, to be able to count the moves ahead, to be able to behave, to hide emotions (which is important for presidents), etiquette.
        In my opinion, the biggest mistake of the current government is that, against its background, people are ready to vote for anyone who utters the magic and so desired by the people word - "nationalization".
        And the people will not even think, they will follow this word (exactly the word), like a ram for slaughter.
        Say there is a chance with the arrival of Grudinin.
        My dearest! The country is not in that position and the situation in the world is not in order to give a chance to someone unknown.
        Let Grudinin show himself at some high post, well, at least min.s / economy, let him show what he is worth, and then we can talk about something.
        1. U-58
          U-58 22 May 2020 05: 03 New
          +1
          Then answer the questions:
          1. How to change the vector of development in society without changing leadership, and not making revolutions?
          2. How many politicians in our country except Putin?
          3. How can non-Putin become a politician, including an experienced one?)))))
          4. Raising the VAT by 2%, raising the retirement age, maintaining a tax on income from bank deposits testify to Putin’s experience or indicate something else?
          5. Why are people ready to vote not for Putin, but for any alternative that is not even an EXPERIENCED politician?
          1. Lyuba1965_01
            Lyuba1965_01 22 May 2020 09: 34 New
            0
            To change the development vector is, alas, not realistic, only a complete change of power is needed, although this is not an option. The best thing is a revolution when the political and economic system of the country is completely renewed, when the liberals have no place in our country and they run away like rats, which was during the revolution.
            If you simply change the president, no one will run away, they will remain here and they will spoil who is secretly and who is open.
            With the peaceful transfer of power, even to the most notorious Bolshevik, the communist in its purest form, all the crap will remain here and will be spoiling, right up to the overthrow of the newly emerged fighter for the rights of workers.
            But a revolution is always civil and a lot of blood.
            Change of course by Grudinin?
            To believe in this, of course, is possible, but not necessary.
            Let's talk openly.
            Anyone who goes to power (all the more so behind a little-known one before the previous election like Grudinin) always has certain circles, and this is not 102 people, but some kind of large and influential group, a loner simply will not come to power, he will not give.
            Moreover, not even the media, and the incumbent authorities, will do this, it will be done quietly and calmly, even ripples in the water will not pass.
            There is very little reason to believe that the Communist Party is behind it, otherwise this party would have promoted it much earlier than the pre-election debates had begun, and in general this race and Grudinin would not have screwed up with his overseas accounts that he had not announced.
            So, we can assume that this party put forward it spontaneously. But why and what made her do it almost at the last moment, and even substitute her candidate with the bills in this way? Is there really no competent lawyer in the whole Communist Party to tell Grudinin what and how to do?
            Well, what Grudinin says there, so the talk is still not the case.
            And until we find out exactly who is behind Grudinin, there is very little hope for him.
            Personally, I am greatly strained in relation to him by the fact that the United States was "drowned" for him, and I myself read articles for him in major American newspapers.
            It is also annoying that he comes from the Communist Party, the leader of which Zyuganov often happens at the American embassy, ​​at banquets in this embassy.
            We can say that this does not mean anything, but then we must be completely fair: these trips to the American embassy are blamed on Navalny and are considered ordinary in relation to the Communist Party and personally Zyuganov. Where is the logic? Do not think that I am for Navalny, but if one is accused of something, then why is the other justified for the same? Justice is for everyone, isn't it?
            Putin has oligarchic clans and just nouveaux riches from the 90s, so it’s quite logical that he does everything in their interests, sometimes trying to throw a bone to the people so that he’s not really excited. Therefore, I personally do not expect any real things from the GDP for the people.
            1. Private89
              Private89 23 May 2020 12: 14 New
              -1
              Why is revolution always civil and blood? The Bolsheviks took power almost bloodlessly, and I want to remind you of this, having absolutely democratic victory in the elections to the Petrosoviet and the Moscow Soviet, remember the triumphal procession of the Soviet government, when almost throughout the country, except for the outskirts that were occupied by the Germans, people created Soviets and Soviet power was established. And it all started with the rebellion of the Belochekhs and foreign friends helped. And tell me, a country in civilian life has lost more than 30 years of capitalism since 91, I’m not so sure, so this is a big question that is more humane. Tolerate this power for more than 20 years is to doom millions of people to quiet genocide.
              1. Lyuba1965_01
                Lyuba1965_01 24 May 2020 22: 19 New
                0
                To take power and to hold its essence are two different things.
                Do you really think that those in power will surrender without a fight?
                Who will go to those who work for them and get well, who the siloviki will go to - this is the main and most important question.
                So, first of all, it is necessary to work and explain everything to the siloviki, it is necessary to attract them to their side, because the fate of the revolution depends on who the army, the national guard will follow (if it takes place).
                What is more humane - here, in general, you can argue for a long time, but it’s not worth it.
                If the revolution wins, then yes, it will be more humane.
                If the revolution loses, then thousands, if not more, of deaths will be in vain, and in this case there can be no talk of humanism.
                So in this case the concept of "humanism" depends on the outcome of the struggle.
                But one must understand that there will be only one attempt to make a revolution; the authorities will not give a second chance.
                1. Private89
                  Private89 26 May 2020 18: 01 New
                  -1
                  You know, there was such a head of the tsarist secret police - Zubatov. So he fought against the revolutionaries a lot of catching, even created trade unions to let out steam of people through them, but apparently his soul hurt for the “production”, he went to the ministers, tycoons in general to those in power and this says these hard workers ask every little thing well give them a handout, at least it will be easier for me to say through unions like you see what we have achieved, let us continue to demand peacefully, not to bother, these magnates categorically refused him. Actually what “soul was rooting for production” means, he perfectly understood that how many revolutionaries could not be overpowered, and they all add it like a scoop to scoop up the sea, because they are not by their nature such a colossal injustice and that social and economic model of the state give birth to, which essentially exploits and drives millions of people into slavery without rights, and people will resist this oppression. So some revolutionaries will catch, new ones will appear because those contradictions that make them rich, and we poor, give them rights, and we are lawless, will not go anywhere. This is what in dialectics is called the transition of quantitative changes into qualitative ones, so it is a matter of time before everything starts to move.
                  1. Lyuba1965_01
                    Lyuba1965_01 27 May 2020 18: 50 New
                    0
                    You can not compare that time and now because of new technologies.
                    It is much more difficult to make a revolution now.
                    The main reasons for this, in my opinion, are 5.
                    1. Communication of people on an Internet and the Internet itself in particular. Without Internet, no one in our time imagines life, mail as such has almost become a thing of the past. It used to be possible to prepare everything in secret, now all meetings, meetings, preparations for some meetings, demonstrations, strikes, not to mention military operations ( but the revolution will not succeed peacefully, absolutely everyone understands this), and all this will be monitored by the authorities - who is warned is armed. So secrecy will not work and all the leaders of the movement are easy to recognize and take measures to neutralize them. Also, bank cards. All movements of money of every person are easy to track, so with money for revolution (and without money, what a prose of life! - there is no no revolution.
                    2. The Internet, the Internet, and the Internet again, but where would it be without it? All the steam of people goes to the Internet, so that it does not accumulate and does not explode, like a closed steam boiler.
                    3. Modern and very effective political technologies. How they work and what effect can be seen in the example of Yeltsin’s re-election. Since then, they have been further improved. They say that they have already created psychotronic weapons and even tested them. If this is true, then any unrest is simply doomed to failure. But I’m not sure about the creation of this weapon, they only say about it but that I didn’t hear that some country used it, so this is (!) only my assumptions.
                    4. Revolutions happen when the majority has nothing to lose (the famous "the proletariat has nothing to lose except its chains"). Now almost everyone has apartments, cars, even if they were bought on a mortgage or loans at high interest rates, and he will pay off these loans almost all his life ... But the very fact that a person can lose all this already casts doubt on his participation in revolution.
                    5. The experience of the 1917 revolution. Everyone already knows that revolution is a civil war, and hardly anyone wants it. But one cannot do without a civil one, unfortunately, because no government with its hangers-on will give it up without resistance. The arrival of the next Entente is also quite likely, and most likely it will be the same countries as in that revolution, and if most people don’t openly recognize it, then it will probably have it somewhere in their subconscious.
                    But these are only my assumptions and conclusions.
                    I would be glad to make a mistake. But, alas, all the facts, in my opinion, indicate that I am right.
                    1. Private89
                      Private89 27 May 2020 20: 13 New
                      -1
                      It’s nice to discuss with you, you will meet few people who communicate constructively.
                      But still, according to your words, Fukuyama turns out: the end of the story.
                      Still, as they say, the fraud’s greed ruined, our government is working hard, this cannot be taken away from it, in order to bring people to the extreme degree of need. Say what you like, but the degradation of education, which this power stubbornly destroys, affects them as well, for example, crowned flesh, power has shown itself to be impotent, but to control millions of people in the Internet age, yes it’s a double-edged weapon, you need to have some brains and organizational skills, the game is complicated. Ahead is a new great depression that the whole world is plunging into, I think the Entente countries will not be up to us, but will these be able to rule the country during the crisis, when people lose business, income, familiar life is a big question, the Astana needle is no longer such a formidable weapon. In the era of crisis, the food supply decreases, not only for the people, but also for those in power, do you think they are so united there, and when there isn’t enough pie for everyone? The bickering will begin. It turns out the crisis, squabbling among themselves, you also need to control the people, I don’t envy the security officials to pay money. Pension reform has opened many eyes, in general, the deterioration of life opens many eyes, a person begins to look for answers. In general, even if you cut me, I don’t share your pessimism, I believe in the best, I believe in our people, in whom “our” government considers dirt to be dirty.
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        2. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 22 May 2020 18: 16 New
          -1
          The points that you wrote is the IMF decision for our country. They are binding on us.
          https://youtu.be/6Vv7KeEpyz8
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 22 May 2020 10: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: Lyuba1965_01
        Have you carefully read Grudinin’s election program?

        Have you read Putin’s election program? “She wasn’t at all!”
        Quote: Lyuba1965_01
        Do you want Grudinin to lease the remnants of Russia, how he leased to the traders the land of his collective farm?

        so Putin already did it!
        1. Lyuba1965_01
          Lyuba1965_01 22 May 2020 10: 56 New
          -1
          Well, Grudinin will continue, what's the problem?
          As for the election program, whether it is there or not is not the point.
          Election programs are written for electors, i.e. electorate, and not in order to fulfill them.
          If there was a responsibility for not fulfilling election promises, then one could still believe in them.
          And since there is no responsibility, then you can promise anything and in any quantity.
          I would love to vote for one person, but he never ran for the presidential election, apparently, he does not want to shoulder such a load, because the person is serious and does not throw words into the wind.
          1. alone
            alone 22 May 2020 20: 14 New
            0
            Quote: Lyuba1965_01
            I would love to vote for one person, but he never ran for the presidential election, apparently, he does not want to shoulder such a load, because the person is serious and does not throw words into the wind.

            Patriarch Kirill? what
            1. Lyuba1965_01
              Lyuba1965_01 24 May 2020 22: 32 New
              0
              Not that, chef! Just not that !!!
  • AUL
    AUL 21 May 2020 11: 39 New
    +7
    Quote: Lyuba1965_01
    Grudinin-president is the same as the school supply manager became the country's education minister.

    And what is better in the role of the president as a head of the KGB club? Or a furniture maker as the secretary of defense?
    1. Lyuba1965_01
      Lyuba1965_01 21 May 2020 20: 03 New
      -5
      One can relate to Putin in different ways, but one cannot be taken away from him: he knows the international situation, he has knowledge in politics, and he did not immediately become president, he also has an economic education.
      Finally, understand that the president is not only the economy, it is the totality of all areas.
      We can say that the president has advisers, so he does not have to understand many things, and this is true.
      But in the end, it is the president who makes this or that decision, he has the decisive vote.
      So our life and the fate of the country as a whole depend on his knowledge, ability to respond quickly and specifically to certain actions in the world and in the country.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 22 May 2020 10: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: Lyuba1965_01
        he understands the international environment

        that's for sure! Especially knowing things in Ukraine
        Quote: Lyuba1965_01
        he also has an economic education.

        why are we sitting on an oil and gas needle?
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 21 May 2020 11: 52 New
    +8
    Quote: Lyuba1965_01
    Even if we assume that he is so good, good, how do you imagine him as the president of the country, and even in such a difficult time?
    Grudinin-president is the same as the school supply manager became the country's education minister.

    From your comment it follows that nothing needs to be changed?
    Or will you continue to claim that in a 146 millionth country there is no person for the presidency?
    1. Lyuba1965_01
      Lyuba1965_01 21 May 2020 22: 29 New
      -1
      Why not, there.
      But only it should not be a millionaire and populist Grudinin.
  • awdrgy
    awdrgy 21 May 2020 11: 56 New
    +4
    The winner is not the one who votes but the one who believes)
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 21 May 2020 12: 29 New
    +8
    Today, supporting Putin is a sign of unhealthy development.
    No one in their right mind will vote for him now ..
  • Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 21 May 2020 15: 05 New
    +3
    It's time to nullify not the terms of Putin’s rule, but the pension reform itself!
    The country's position due to hysteria over the coronavirus will help the authorities save face.
    Both executive and legislative.
    Like - they tried, but it did not work, force majeure prevented. Pandemic.
    Cancel antisocial reform!
    Do not anger the people! angry
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 22 May 2020 18: 55 New
      -1
      People do not just nightmare.
      For some, that makes sense.
      https://youtu.be/6Vv7KeEpyz8
  • fider
    fider 21 May 2020 16: 27 New
    +1
    Yes, do you vote at least for the gentlemen of God, where will the money come from? Or pensions, or missiles, and both will never be together!
  • forester1971
    forester1971 21 May 2020 22: 33 New
    +3
    You really really believe that if Grudinin or someone else comes, something will change a lot. I think that if something would have changed, it would not be for the better. And so of course, if the elections are held here on the site, then yes - Grudinin is a favorite, but I will disappoint you - the VO site is not a sample throughout Russia.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 22 May 2020 09: 12 New
    -1
    And after that, do you consider yourself smart?
  • Constructor1
    Constructor1 22 May 2020 10: 09 New
    0
    I began to notice this topic that people are gradually taking away all the social achievements of the USSR from 2004/2005, when they gradually cut off benefits, free travel / education / medicine, a jump in housing and communal services / gas prices, new taxes and fines . I did not vote for him anymore. But the farther the steeper the power takes away, I get the opinion that an experiment is being conducted on us - well, how much YOU have, how long people will endure! They feel the border beyond which everything can blaze and they want to stop half a step from it ..
  • Dimmedroll
    Dimmedroll 25 May 2020 20: 08 New
    0
    That is, you are proud to have voted for the thief and the oligarch? Well, your right. But essentially you just don’t know how the branches of power work. And GDP could not refuse to sign a document on raising pensions. It’s strange for me when, all over the world, at the request of the IMF, they raised their pensions, but in Germany they discuss raising them to 70, and in China, only urban residents have pensions. We were not outraged, but here we raised the IMF to 65 by the same demand and we were outraged, ridiculous. In essence, many still work at this age. in the USSR, working pensioners were paid, only wages. It’s possible that I myself won’t live up to retirement, but I don’t see anything about it. Or do you think that if Grudinin came, he would not? YES I’m afraid it would be even worse. After all, the IMF requirement (recommendations) is quite extensive and we, as the Vassal State, must fulfill these requirements. None of us knows the backstage game of big politicians and corporations. And yes, I just did not vote, because the candidates who reached the finish line did not suit me, but the GDP was the lesser evil of them.
  • Aborigen4ik
    Aborigen4ik 27 May 2020 15: 12 New
    0
    Voted for the breast? For the "people's oligarch" who breaks all the canons of Marxism? Obviously, the pills are missed, don't joke with that ...
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 May 2020 05: 15 New
    11
    retirement age was not accidentally determined at the level of 60 years. Yes, it was a long time ago, but it was done taking into account the health and life expectancy in the USSR.
    And a decent life of 132 rubles., Communal, practically = 0, transportation in the city 3-6 kopecks., Taxes, including garden, medicine and so on. = 0. And what else do pensioners need?
    1. bk316
      bk316 21 May 2020 13: 16 New
      +1
      And a decent life for 132 rubles.,

      Lope lope?
      Do you want 11 rubles?
      Well, yes, my grandmother had a pension of 73 rubles and was enough for her, well, so she is a personal pensioner .....
      But my wife’s grandmother received the same 11. Could I live in the USSR for 11 rubles?
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 21 May 2020 13: 26 New
        0
        Quote: bk316
        Do you want 11 rubles?
        Well, yes, my grandmother had a pension of 73 rubles and she had enough

        Year, city?
        1. bk316
          bk316 21 May 2020 13: 30 New
          0
          Year, city?

          The village of Rudino 1970
          Moscow 1975
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 21 May 2020 13: 38 New
            -1
            Quote: bk316
            The village of Rudino 1970
            Moscow 1975

            And again, everything is subjective. request Collective farm, experience, etc. request Which confirmed that no. The gardener saved the grandmother in the village. request I'm sorry.
            As the state grows rich,
            And what lives, and why
            He does not need gold,
            When a simple product has.
            1. bk316
              bk316 21 May 2020 13: 46 New
              +1
              Collective farm

              Yes it is.
              The gardener saved the grandmother in the village

              So it is now. Do you think anything here in Ostashkov has changed?
              They do not live richly, who works better, who eats vodka and achs worse.
              Medicine shit.
              Officials are casting out.
              The people vote for power.
              Everything is like in the USSR. Roads are only better than steel.
      2. U-58
        U-58 21 May 2020 14: 22 New
        +1
        My grandmother had a pension of 12 rubles. She worked part time in a kindergarten, and later in a cafe as a dishwasher.
        But when pensions were reassigned to collective farmers and she began to receive 70 rubles, and then 90, her grandmother did not quit her job and worked in Moscow in the Sever cafe until she was 74 years old.
        All helped the great-grandchildren. And no one was able to dissuade her. So at work and died ...
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 21 May 2020 05: 23 New
    15
    Tatyana, earlier aliens would land on a mass scale, than the Kremlin would change their minds and cancel their own anti-people’s decisions. Indeed, the trick is that kremlelezhiteley believe that they can not be mistaken, which means that their anti-people’s pension law is not subject to revision, under their rule. ..
    1. vprnik
      vprnik 21 May 2020 10: 27 New
      +2
      Kremlezhiteley and are not mistaken. From the point of view of the authorities, the people are just a resource, it is no coincidence that mother capital was introduced, children's allowances were increased significantly. If you sell wood abroad - you need to plant trees too.))) And pensioners are already substandard, feed, treat - money down the drain. Get into this thought - all questions will disappear. Power in the USSR did not think about people. They thought of the people as a state, and not of specific people.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 21 May 2020 05: 23 New
    -3
    The author is not aware that most of the officials came to the "holy nineties" and are participating in a coup d'etat on Putin's information, by creating tension for the people? What did they arrange in 1991 to relieve themselves of the responsibility that was under the USSR and at the same time to privatize state-owned enterprises and state functions? Government services.
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 21 May 2020 06: 44 New
      15
      I doubt that Putin is reporting his information to the author, and you are unlikely. I have no doubt only that for 20 years !!! he never cleaned out these Augean stables, but he really wants to imitate the fight against windmills in a couple of terms, stealing another 10 years of life and faith from people. And how many remain who still believe in him?
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 21 May 2020 06: 48 New
        0
        But how to clean out the Augean stables if there is no ideology, there is no censorship, and all the media (Kiselev with a monument to Krasnov proved) work for liberals? What are the criteria to evaluate the work of officials if there is no ideology? And the systems for evaluating the performance of officials were canceled in 1991?
        1. novel66
          novel66 21 May 2020 07: 17 New
          +2
          and impunity for all officials!
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 21 May 2020 07: 22 New
            +2
            hi The novel, the impunity and irresponsibility of officials was the goal of the party council nomenclature in the 80s and they also began to sabotage and arrange deficits such as prohibitions ...
            1. novel66
              novel66 21 May 2020 09: 45 New
              +2
              Ruslan, hi undoubtedly! and it continues
          2. your1970
            your1970 21 May 2020 11: 05 New
            -1
            Quote: novel xnumx
            and impunity for all officials!

            Yes you sho ??? !! Straight to all - all ??? I want to go there !!!
            And then here I am a "damned bureaucrat" - and everyone who gets to me is tore me up - prosecutors, bloggers, administrations of all levels, even citizens manage ...
            1. novel66
              novel66 21 May 2020 11: 11 New
              +7
              and judges, even drunk from behind the wheel can not be dragged ...
              1. your1970
                your1970 21 May 2020 11: 22 New
                -1
                Quote: novel xnumx
                and judges, even drunk from behind the wheel can not be dragged ...
                -that is also weak to understand? There were no desire among traffic cops ....
                "OVERVIEW
                statistics on consideration by the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation
                in 2019 administrative, civil cases, economic resolution cases
                disputes, administrative cases and criminal cases
                .......
                3.1. Consideration of administrative cases in the first instance in the Judicial Collegium for Administrative Cases of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation
                - on bringing a judge to administrative responsibility - 12 cases with a decision on which the claims are satisfied.
                3.2. Appeal consideration of administrative cases by the Judicial Collegium for Administrative Cases of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation
                - on bringing a judge to administrative responsibility - 3 things to do."

                If you think that fines were imposed on this level for not wearing a seat belt or crossing the street outside the proper place, then no

                And a little more about impunity (type !!!) of judges
                2016, "MOSCOW, December 6. / TASS /. The qualification collegiums of judges have given their consent to bring 4 judges to criminal responsibility in 53 years."

                so that everyone is attracted, everyone .. there would be a desire ...
                1. novel66
                  novel66 21 May 2020 11: 30 New
                  +2
                  well, at least it pleases hi
            2. ALARI
              ALARI 21 May 2020 13: 27 New
              +1
              Do they fight on business or so, interfere with working for their own benefit? And probably a "damn bureaucrat" to be better than a citizen? There are more sweet buns.
              1. your1970
                your1970 21 May 2020 14: 44 New
                +1
                Quote: ALARI
                Buns more sweet
                -plus pliz in the studio !!!!!! I really want to look at them at least from a distance !!!!

                But seriously - then there are no buns. For joy - if there is no housing, then you can get a loan 1 time. Money for this is allocated on average for 3-5 people in a state body at the regional level. For example, we were given 3 last year - who in turn got into 2008 year. All...
                Salaries? I have a leading expert expert with a length of service of 27 years and maximum bonuses and allowances for the past year turned out 290 000 rubles per year, and this is without deduction of income, dirty - that is, 260 in pennies with pennies ... girls have secretaries - 000 per month
                That is why there are much more women working in government agencies - men are fleeing government agencies: salaries are small, all and sundry are fighting, growth prospects due to constant reductions - no, the norm is a curve, and even just the attitude - you get tired of "corrupt damn bureaucrats !! ! "
                Here we have reduced departments in two districts - they threw the load on us, now we have 6 districts on us 2 and nobody cares
                And so with 95% of civil servants ...
                1. ALARI
                  ALARI 21 May 2020 16: 03 New
                  0
                  The question is a bit personal, you can not answer, but when you, probably in 93, got a job, how did you imagine and what did you expect from your work? At 93, officials did not receive much compared to today. When I got organized in 02g, it was only for the sake of money, although the work was not for me, I left the previous one because of the money, but I liked it there more.
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 21 May 2020 16: 23 New
                    +2
                    I had 9 years of military service (2 + 7) in general service, and in 1999 there was simply no job at all. And yes, I received 1600 in 1999. in a government agency - but the choice was extremely limited: either them or in the local branch of Zapsibgazprom every six months with Bush's legs or linoleum. Our people got a job there and received a salary by gasification of acquaintances - you bring a person, bukhs carry out what they received for gasification to the cashier and immediately pay your salary, and he gives you cash ...
                    I gasified my grandmother and aunt over a year of work in the oil industry crying in 1999 - like this wild joke at the present time .... to work in the oil industry for linoleum ...

                    Not, I remembered - they could still give the gloves to the workers, for some reason they were a shaft and they cost a penny. The people took 2-3 hundred and then tried to resell them ...
                    1. ALARI
                      ALARI 21 May 2020 16: 41 New
                      +3
                      Then, what next, even if the state does not want to feed officials? You can, so to speak, conductors of his interests. Many officials are not ice, but without them it is sour. There was a thesis to pay more than in the country, or corruption is growing. As a result, there will be, clever capable leave, there will be no one left to go, rabble and other bad. As a result, the collapse of the state apparatus will have passed.
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 21 May 2020 21: 02 New
                        +2
                        and raise the salary of officials, the people will shout "Ah-ah-ah-ah, zhirravshim bureaucrats have increased their pay !!! when will they get drunk, then ???
                        And someone stick from a thin picture lol
                        The fact that a bunch of vacancies hangs is a fact, real vacancies are not for the sake of competition ... in our district administration the position of the chief architect of the district hangs for a year - there are no people with a building education for 26
                      2. ALARI
                        ALARI 22 May 2020 08: 03 New
                        +1
                        They cry out and know why, in our country, the paradoxical situation has made officials richer than businessmen. Although, according to your words, even the middle part of the bureaucracy was lowered below the plinth. Citizens will look not at your salaries, but at the salaries of your leadership and everyone under one comb.
                      3. your1970
                        your1970 22 May 2020 09: 47 New
                        0
                        Quote: ALARI
                        Although by your According to even the middle part of the bureaucracy was lowered below the plinth.

                        You can check this easily- the website of any state agency / municipality, the section Human Resources, the Anti-Corruption sub-section, there is information about ALL incomes .... it can be put out in a separate section, it can be difficult to find, but it is always there, for this the prosecutor’s office is drunk .. ..
                        Naturally there are no bribes and kickbacks what - but the average level of income by the level of posts is immediately visible.
                        Now there 2018- in July they will post declarations for 2019

                        And yes, 3/4 of the population is firmly convinced that the salaries of officials are insane. An old joke about "in the wrong hands and belay thicker ".....
    2. Pilot
      Pilot 21 May 2020 07: 20 New
      15
      What is more annoying is not the lack of ideology, but this wretched market course to enrich a handful of friends. For the people, a different course is needed, a socialist one, for the majority, from here the evaluation criteria and so on will go. And who according to the law is engaged in determining the course of the country? wink
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 21 May 2020 07: 32 New
        -2
        If the lack of ideology does not bother me, then I don’t want to talk with you anymore. Farewell hi
        1. Pilot
          Pilot 21 May 2020 07: 37 New
          +8
          Socialism, that is, social justice, what is not ideology? What ideology do you want?
          1. bk316
            bk316 21 May 2020 13: 23 New
            +2
            social justice - why not ideology?

            Nothing is an ideology.
            Justice is a purely subjective concept and therefore unattainable.
            Here is an example of your salary
            50K and I have 300K
            Question 1 - is this fair?
            From my salary is deducted to the FIU 60K and from your 10K, and we will receive the SAME pension.
            Question 2 - is this fair?

            I can go on for a long time and not necessarily about money.
            1. your1970
              your1970 21 May 2020 16: 32 New
              +2
              Quote: bk316
              Justice is a purely subjective concept and therefore unattainable.

              I will support ...
              Even in the Soviet Socialist Republic, the concept of social justice was relatively
              "My neighbor has traveled all over the Union.
              He’s looking for something, but what isn’t visible.
              I don’t bother with other people's affairs
              But it really hurts and offends me.
              He has plush and silk on his windows,
              Baba roaming around in his bathrobe.
              I would have found uranium with a pick in Moscow
              With such an increased salary!
              And it seems to me that people are lying, -
              He deliberately does not look for anything:
              For what? - After all, the money goes -
              Oh, what a lot of money! "© V.S.
              In my opinion (and yours, most likely) it was fair to pay a geologist for uranium "money" - in the eyes of his own neighbor - not at all, not at all ... Just think wandering in the taiga at public expense ...

              It seems to be a trifle - but this is also one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR: ordinary human envy
          2. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 22 May 2020 19: 11 New
            0
            Man means that we have an ideology for the state as a sub-ban. We have no right to choose ideals for ourselves and accordingly set development goals based on them.
            Someone else may we not.
            This was prescribed by USAID in the constitution for us, and in general the entire first chapter (the foundations of the constitutional system) was written by this company.
        2. novel66
          novel66 21 May 2020 10: 13 New
          +4
          ideology as a programmatic guide to development, no way without it !!
    3. Overlock
      Overlock 21 May 2020 22: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: Tank jacket
      And how to clean out the Augean stables if there is no ideology, there is no censorship and all the media (Kiselev with a monument to Krasnov proved

      So why Putin finances them through the federal budget? Almost all of them are subsidized by the state?
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 22 May 2020 05: 36 New
        +2
        The draft federal budget is prepared by the federal executive authorities (Ministry of Finance, Ministry of Economic Development, etc.). Pre-developed plans and forecasts
      2. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 22 May 2020 05: 37 New
        +2
        It is imposed by the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Economic Development, where the same liberals as Kiselev are sitting.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 21 May 2020 07: 59 New
    +8
    And how many remain who still believe in him?
    Kremlin towers work tirelessly for the good of the authorities. And for many it is easier to swallow already chewed by someone than to think for yourself.
  • Mouse
    Mouse 21 May 2020 05: 34 New
    -18
    Believe and rely only on yourself !!! I was so taught .... yes if not me, then who?
    1. Mouse
      Mouse 21 May 2020 05: 59 New
      -19
      So I understand ... who slapped the cons ... do not believe in yourself! And they are waiting for a plate with a blue border ... laughing
      1. novel66
        novel66 21 May 2020 07: 18 New
        -1
        in the hands of Grudinin ...
        1. Mouse
          Mouse 21 May 2020 08: 13 New
          -4
          Novel! hi and they believe that this is a panacea ....
          1. vprnik
            vprnik 21 May 2020 10: 59 New
            -2
            And they do not want to understand that power is not the power of many over many, and at the expense of these many. It is best to go to the mirror and ask, what would I do in place of GDP. Take and share is the easiest. They took it from the landlords, then from the kulaks, from the middle peasants, and then there was no one to take from. And the people are asking for everything, they demand social justice.)))
            1. ALARI
              ALARI 21 May 2020 13: 31 New
              +4
              And do not take it away, but help people earn money. And then we all owe the state, and the state as an occupation regime, collects and removes everything that it can reach.
        2. Mouse
          Mouse 21 May 2020 08: 18 New
          -4
          I got zipped around to the fullest ... but after all, no one said what it is better?
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 21 May 2020 08: 01 New
      +2
      if not me, then who?
      But it’s true that I’ll go and sit on the throne while the place in the Kremlin is free.
    3. depressant
      depressant 21 May 2020 08: 14 New
      11
      The person under the nickname Mouse, do you rely only on yourself? Explain, at the expense of whom? Surrounding? Walking on corpses? You, my friend, are asocial, you are harmful to society. You can only rely on yourself if you are Robinson Crusoe.
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 21 May 2020 08: 25 New
        -13
        The answer is ... who are you hoping for? Except yourself beloved?
        1. Mouse
          Mouse 21 May 2020 09: 19 New
          -9
          Well, if it’s easier for you ... laughing revel in your minuses ... but essentially there’s nothing to say .... hi
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 21 May 2020 22: 38 New
            +3
            Quote: Mouse
            but essentially nothing to say ...

            they answered you long ago
            Quote: bk0010
            A CHANCE for improvement will appear. So understandable?
        2. Mouse
          Mouse 21 May 2020 09: 31 New
          -7
          Wait for an answer, wait for an answer .... wassat
          1. novel66
            novel66 21 May 2020 10: 15 New
            +7
            Vasya, get out of there! I’ve gotten into it like a small child ..
            1. Mouse
              Mouse 21 May 2020 10: 58 New
              -6
              Well .... it is it .... winked no matter how hard you try, one figs get stuck ....
              1. novel66
                novel66 21 May 2020 11: 03 New
                +1
                here ... here in the party ...
              2. bk316
                bk316 21 May 2020 13: 36 New
                +3
                no matter how hard you try, one figs get stuck ....


                Yeah, at first they got into a sternum
                And now you. laughing

                It makes no sense to deceived to explain that they are divorced, it in fact reduces their self-esteem. There Mavrodi still believe. Mack that I take my leave too.
  • Mihail55
    Mihail55 21 May 2020 05: 38 New
    13
    Thank you Tatyana for the article! Cancellation of this disgrace TABOO for the authorities! Unfortunately, over the past 20 (or even 30 years) Russia has only been eating up the legacy of the USSR ("galoshes producers"). Oil and gas prices somehow held back the colonial economy. Time to buy and sell is running out .. what are we left with? If there is no need for so many working hands, with the extinction of industry - why increase this number ??? The fall in oil prices and the pandemic only vividly highlighted the deepest crisis in our entire current life. The authorities for their management received not even TWO, but COL! Naturally, these two people, having learned nothing, cannot cope with the current misfortune. In addition to the use of punitive sanctions and sawing the dough, they do not know how to do anything (doctors have already drank to the fullest). In the early days of the Patriotic War, Stalin was forced to address the citizens of the USSR with the words (unforgotten seminar ...) "BROTHERS and SISTERS". And it was not fake. The enemy did not take Moscow!
    Nowadays, the address "KIND ..." is not very inspiring. In overcrowded buses, in masks, these "relatives" go to their dachas. In the same overcrowded transport, the younger ones are finally going to work. And this is just one stroke of the feats of ineptitude. The guard is not tired yet ???
    1. your1970
      your1970 21 May 2020 11: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Michael55
      The authorities for their control did not even get a TWO, but a COLOR!

      Believe it or not - Power in the USSR received not even a stake, but a "minus" - the country was gone ...
      Is it easier for you ????
    2. bk316
      bk316 21 May 2020 13: 39 New
      -1
      the pandemic only brightly highlighted the deepest crisis in our entire present life. The authorities for their control did not even get a TWO, but a COLOR!

      The pandemic is still a solid four.
      PRC 5
      Israel has 5
      FRG 4
      France has 3
      Italy 2
      Spain 2

      U.S. COL
  • Olegater
    Olegater 21 May 2020 05: 44 New
    19
    Good morning, dear forum users!
    Do you think they will cancel this reform? Yeah, schaz!
    It’s more likely to be strangled and accepted even more absurdly and meaner than they would go to ease or repeal all idiotic laws, or God forbid to meet the people!
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 21 May 2020 05: 48 New
    20
    It was difficult in 2000 to evaluate an unknown person. In the kit in which he was nominated for the first presidential term, he was the most outstanding person. But all hopes disappeared, with the words: "She drowned." And today I just can’t either watch or listen to this face.
    He brought the country when, apart from the coronavirus, there are no diseases, no needs.
    The situation of people is so difficult that a positive outcome with such governance is not visible. It is not disgusting to me that there are people whom their own situation suits, but that they persistently propagate their opinion, as if the people were both blind and deaf.
    That is why I do not want to procrastinate this topic of anti-people’s power.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 21 May 2020 06: 10 New
      -14
      Quote: ROSS 42
      It was difficult in 2000 to evaluate an unknown person

      In 1996, they chose the already famous ... Made a wise choice?
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Brought the country

      Tell me - where and from where? Yes, at the same time, remember whose debts in the early 2000s he (that is, we) repaid ... And also pick out how many former functionaries from the Communist Party / Komsomol he pushed away from the trough ?! Nostalgia for past youth is not an excuse for blindness, deafness and intentional dementia.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 21 May 2020 06: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Hagen
        And pick out how many former functionaries from the Communist Party / Komsomol moved away from the trough

        Where is the Kroll agency report?
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 21 May 2020 10: 25 New
          -3
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Where is the Kroll agency report?

          And who is this Kroll? Isn't that the office that our "foreign agents" hire for "delicate" assignments, and which has no right to operate in the Russian Federation? His reports sell 6 rolls in one package ... Why are they interesting to you?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 21 May 2020 10: 34 New
            +2
            Quote: Hagen
            And who is this Kroll?

            The office that Yegorushka Gaidar paid millions to search for the gold of the party.
        2. Hagen
          Hagen 21 May 2020 10: 31 New
          -4
          I have never heard that, according to the materials of this agency, at least one criminal case was opened and investigated. The fact that the former party activist of the country withdrew money and was enriched by deceiving the entire population of the country is impossible without official reports only by pensioners of the early 90s, glorifying the post-Stalin USSR.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 21 May 2020 10: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: Hagen
            I have never heard that, according to the materials of this agency, at least one criminal case was opened and investigated.

            And you will not see. There is no it, this report has disappeared.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 21 May 2020 20: 03 New
              -2
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              And you will not see. There is no it, this report has disappeared.

              If there was, then there was not much use from him. It is not formally legitimate, which means zero legal force. He is not recognized in court and will not be brought to justice.
      2. Andrey Shch
        Andrey Shch 21 May 2020 09: 22 New
        12
        Quote: Hagen
        Quote: ROSS 42
        It was difficult in 2000 to evaluate an unknown person

        In 1996, they chose the already famous ... Made a wise choice?

        Are you talking about Yeltsin? Did the people choose him? Have you forgotten the Xerox box? But that was only the tip of the iceberg.
        Quote: Hagen
        [
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Brought the country

        Tell me - where and from where? Yes, at the same time, remember whose debts in the early 2000s he (i.e. we) repaid ...

        So what and to whom? And where does Putin, what is his merit, if, as you write "we" paid off the debts?
        Quote: Hagen
        ... And also pick out how many former functionaries from the Communist Party / Komsomol pushed from the trough ?!

        And pick around how many former functionaries from the CPSU / Komsomol he pushed to the trough.
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  • Van 16
    Van 16 21 May 2020 05: 52 New
    10
    "we still have to prove that it turned out to be impossible to get a new job"

    Everything is as always, a law is issued, there are a lot of restrictions to it, and you need to collect a bunch of certificates, prove that you are not a camel, that at least get something.
  • sagitch
    sagitch 21 May 2020 06: 03 New
    +9
    They will never be canceled. And specifically, the World Cup in Russia was organized to distract the people ...
    The second opportunity will not be in power.
    1. U-58
      U-58 21 May 2020 06: 25 New
      +8
      And under the guise of a coronovirus, a tax on income from bank deposits was dragged.
      Whatever we do, we always have a little fun ©
      1. your1970
        your1970 21 May 2020 11: 11 New
        -2
        Quote: U-58
        And under the guise of a coronovirus, a tax on income from bank deposits was dragged.
        Whatever we do, we always have a little fun ©

        A million honestly earned in a "poor country" type? And there are 54 million such deposits?
        Here either the country - NOT a beggar, or the general thief in general - every third at least
        1. U-58
          U-58 21 May 2020 11: 24 New
          +4
          Let's use my example. I had a contribution of 950 thousand. I accumulated it for 22 years, because a simple ordinary employee of an industrial enterprise with an appropriate salary. I don’t drink; I haven’t traveled outside the region for 20 years. And this can not be compared with those entities that earn 2–3 lyam per day.
          True, he gave everything to his son to purchase housing, in order to do without any mortgages.
          Well, why save up money if not for children?
          So no one will receive a tax on percent of my contribution
          1. your1970
            your1970 21 May 2020 11: 33 New
            -4
            1)22 of the year? about .. how about inflation, low interest on deposits, depreciation of money and so on?
            2)
            Quote: U-58
            I had a contribution of 950 thousand.

            Quote: U-58
            So no one will receive a tax on percent of my contribution
            -so no one would receive it. There is a tax on INTEREST INCOME with deposits of more than 1 million.
            that is, if you had 1 000 001 rubles on the deposit and this 1 ruble ran in interest - then they will take this tax from it -13 cents in this case
          2. awdrgy
            awdrgy 21 May 2020 12: 22 New
            0
            I also took it off although I didn’t even have 100 tons because the trend is suspicious — you never know if you’ll have a button tomorrow (you won’t have time to fart) and all-second shift He is cash! In a jar and bury it in the garage, figs who will find under heaps of rubbish!)
            1. your1970
              your1970 21 May 2020 14: 50 New
              +2
              Quote: awdrgy
              In a jar and bury it in the garage
              I found my father-in-law so stash in the garage - 1 Soviet 600 rubles .... in 25 !!! how he spit-that he forgot about them laughing laughing
  • Hagen
    Hagen 21 May 2020 06: 04 New
    -15
    And at the same time continue to feed, and feed a very satisfying, army of migrant workers. Not to mention the millions of guards, security officials and all sorts of different bodyguards.

    If the author mixes security officials, security guards and "all sorts of different bodyguards" into one heap, then it is useless to wait for intelligible justifications for the arguments put forward ... request
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 21 May 2020 06: 17 New
    +8
    It is not difficult to guess that the retirement age will be raised. Gradual replenishment of the budget. Now all information resources are aimed at one goal - “eat what you give.” We are bred to the machinations of the Club of Rome, digital camps. If there is a variety of products in stores, then in in infa continuous surrogate. Someone took the idea of ​​creating "market socialism". Has anyone heard of the story of tragedy and farce? The more we move away from reality, the further we will be from the truth.
  • Rust
    Rust 21 May 2020 06: 23 New
    +5
    Our powerful people do not like to admit their mistakes and to shy from side to side.
    However, the zero ppm was canceled, the time zones were returned. The truth was returned at the wrong time and it is still dawning too early.
  • codetalker
    codetalker 21 May 2020 06: 37 New
    -15
    Well, it’s necessary how many people Grudinin managed to fool.
    And pension reform will be disavowed in one way or another. There is simply no other way out. It was adopted not for socio-economic reasons, but for political reasons. And its adoption then was inevitable. It is necessary to understand a little how the management of society and the state is carried out. And thank God that a man who does not care about “saving face” won the presidential election. Who sacrificed his rating to accept this reform, and then be able to cancel. And you can forget about Grudinin, his political career is over.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 21 May 2020 06: 57 New
      +6
      Quote: codetalker
      It was adopted not for socio-economic reasons, but for political reasons.

      And what are these political reasons?
      1. codetalker
        codetalker 21 May 2020 07: 01 New
        -16
        The need to prevent a coup d'etat in the country followed by a civil war and the division of Russia into dozens of souvenir states with the mass extinction of the local population characteristic of this.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 21 May 2020 07: 04 New
          12
          Quote: codetalker
          The need to prevent a coup d'etat in the country followed by a civil war and the division of Russia into dozens of souvenir states with the mass extinction of the local population characteristic of this.

          And how did the pension "reform" help it? Has united the people with the authorities?
          1. codetalker
            codetalker 21 May 2020 07: 11 New
            -5
            What does the people have to do with it? Do peoples carry out coups and civil wars? Or all the same, they are organized by power groups, and the people are displayed as extras and muscle mass.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 21 May 2020 07: 19 New
              +8
              So
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              How did the pension "reform" help it?

              Explain how raising a pension. age prevented a coup with the division of Russia, otherwise nothing comes to mind. This is Putin’s super-cunning plan, inaccessible to my understanding.
              1. codetalker
                codetalker 21 May 2020 07: 50 New
                -5
                Nothing super-smart here. It is necessary to discard the image of power as a kind of abstract integral unit. In each country, public administration is carried out by the so-called political elite. She is represented by various power groups in government. Each group has its own goals, moral principles, ideological base and foreign relations. It so happened that a significant part of the groups represented in the administration of Russia are focused on the United States. This is not surprising, after the collapse of the Union, the employees of the American embassy determined who we would be the oligarch, who the general, and so on.
                So, if you recall the chronology of the events that led to the adoption of the reform, it will become clear that the ultimatum of the Russian administration’s corps about the necessity of adopting this reform was voiced. All spoke out (as if on command): the government, the State Duma, the Federation Council, and then behind them all the little things. Russia was in a very difficult situation. Accepting the reform, this same managerial corps in a couple of months warms up the protest crowd and holds the Maidan. If you don’t accept the reform, the administrative corps is organizing a massive sabotage of the country's governance, explaining that this is all because the reform was not accepted. The end is the same as in the first case.
                Putin accepted the ultimatum of the managerial corps, took the blow, sacrificed the rating, thereby channeling the protest population (even the comments under this article show that all the hatred for the reform was directed at Putin personally), supplemented the reform with cosmetic moments that brightened up discontent and so on. As a result, the protest potential from the reform itself for something serious was not enough, and the groups that dragged on the reform have no reason to explain to the crowd their wrecking.
                Reform can be reversed in one day. But this can only be done by reducing the role of West-oriented groups in governing the country. Achieving this goal is dampened by the lack of state ideology, with the help of which they could be snapped out. From this point of view, it is very important that citizens of Russia appropriately evaluate the actions of EVERYONE who is involved in public administration (directly or indirectly). In this way, the necessary information field will be created for making the decisions we need and the faster the pension reform will be canceled.
                1. Qwertyarion
                  Qwertyarion 21 May 2020 08: 03 New
                  +7
                  Quote: codetalker
                  If you don’t accept the reform, the management corps are organizing a massive sabotage of the country's governance, explaining that this is all because the reform was not accepted

                  Are we controlled by enemies of the people?
                  Let's give more details, who exactly?
                  1. codetalker
                    codetalker 21 May 2020 08: 13 New
                    -5
                    “Are we controlled by enemies of the people or what?”
                    Have you noticed?) The person who determines the information policy of our state requires a monument to a Nazi criminal.
                    The head of the most important bank in the country does not really need to teach “simpletons”, but how to manage them.
                    And so on and so forth. And these are all just public statements, imagine what kind of things are being done there "on the sidelines"
                  2. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 21 May 2020 16: 19 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Qwertyarion
                    Are we controlled by enemies of the people?
                    Let's give more details, who exactly?

                    And in order to answer this question, it is enough to recall which state the majority of officials in the highest echelon of power and not only the highest, took the oath of office.
                    I will remind you ...
                    MILITARY Oath
                    the USSR



                    I, a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, joining the Armed Forces, take the oath and solemnly swear to be honest, brave, disciplined, watchful soldier, strictly keep military and state secrets, unconditionally fulfill all military regulations and orders of commanders and commanders.

                    I swear to conscientiously study military affairs, to protect military and national property in every possible way and to be loyal to my People, my Soviet Homeland and the Soviet Government until the last breath.

                    I am always ready, by order of the Soviet Government, to defend my Motherland — the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and, as a soldier of the Armed Forces, I swear to defend it courageously, skillfully, with dignity and honor, without sparing my blood and life itself to achieve complete victory over the enemies .

                    If I violate my solemn oath, then let me suffer the harsh punishment of Soviet law, the general hatred and contempt of the working people.

                    And now again ask yourself the question-who is the enemy of the people there?
                    And yes, what happened in the Bialowieza Forest is ILLEGAL. The people then voted FOR THE USSR.
                2. Tank jacket
                  Tank jacket 21 May 2020 08: 07 New
                  -13
                  You know the management perfectly! Well done codetalker, hi !!! And Afftor article two ... Either the enemy or ....
                  1. codetalker
                    codetalker 21 May 2020 08: 16 New
                    -4
                    Thanks for the kind word!
                3. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 21 May 2020 08: 09 New
                  19
                  Quote: codetalker
                  Putin accepted the ultimatum of the management corps, took the blow, sacrificed the rating,

                  Not bad You otmazyvayut the good king from evil boyars.
                  Quote: codetalker
                  But this can only be done by reducing the role of West-oriented groups in governing the country.

                  Is this the old government led by Medvedev, or what?
                  Well, I’ll remind you that at one time Putin did not hesitate to plant a West-oriented Khodorkovsky, and no one interfered with him, although screams were heard from the very top of the power structure.
                  Quote: codetalker
                  Achieving this goal is dampened by the lack of state ideology, with the help of which they could be snapped out.

                  No one bothers to voice this ideology.
                  Quote: codetalker
                  From this point of view, it is very important that citizens of Russia appropriately evaluate the actions of EVERYONE who is involved in public administration (directly or indirectly).

                  We appreciate it. Sobyanin’s borders, actions of Nabibulina, Millerov, HSE lecturer Mishustin, May decrees, statements by Volodin with Tereshkova ...
                  1. codetalker
                    codetalker 21 May 2020 08: 20 New
                    -6
                    “Is this the old government led by Medvedev, or what?”
                    It is just the tip of the iceberg.
                    Here, for example, it’s worth considering why Khodorkovsky was put in jail, and Chubais still manages something there.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 21 May 2020 08: 32 New
                      12
                      Quote: codetalker
                      Here, for example, it’s worth considering why Khodorkovsky was put in jail, and Chubais still manages something there.

                      So, according to Yumashev, it was Chubais and Kudrin who brought Putin to replace Yeltsin. But Putin, as you know, does not abandon his own.
                      1. Terenin
                        Terenin 21 May 2020 10: 22 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        But Putin, as you know, does not abandon his own.

                        This is true, and obviously some of the "entourage" take advantage of it.
                    2. U-58
                      U-58 21 May 2020 11: 50 New
                      +3
                      Why think there?
                      Khodorkovsky was jailed exactly after Profil magazine called him "the most suitable and likely candidate for the post of prime minister of the Russian Federation."
                      And the stump is clear, it was the opinion of NOT the editorial board of the magazine.
                      And nobody will read Chubais at the premiere ..
                  2. your1970
                    your1970 21 May 2020 11: 52 New
                    -4
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Sobyanin borders
                    Well, are you rushing around with these borders like with a written bag? !!!
                    2008 year
                    "According to Moskomstat, the total length of Moscow streets, highways and thoroughfares is 4416,4 km."https://www.moscow-faq.ru/q/other/kilometrov-protyazhennost-ulits-moskvyi-4903/13692
                    2019 "MOSCOW, January 22. / TASS /. The length of highways in the capital exceeded 6 thousand kilometers in 2019, TASS was told by the press service of the Moscow Department of Transport.
                    "Moscow today is 6064 km of roads. .... ", - said the press service.
                    They recalled that in 2018, 127 km of new roads, 55 bridges, 19 pedestrian crossings were added in the capital. "
                    Well, figs would be with them + - a hundred or two kilometers

                    Medusa(here 100% NOT fans of Putin and Sobyanin !!!!)
                    "According to the Moscow Department of Transport, in 2019 the length of all roads in the city was 6064 kilometers. Considering that the curb is placed on both sides of the road, the length of the curb stone in Moscow is at least 12 128 kilometers. Thus, new contracts will theoretically allow replacing almost a quarter of borders in Moscow."
                    Do you understand ??only a quarter!!!
                    Moscow is just a giant metropolis - that's why everything is so huge there, and the numbers seem crazy
                    If you count half a kilo of bread per person, then Moscow daily (!!!) you need 8000 (!!!) tons (!!!!) of bread .... is 4-5 echelons of flour every day
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 21 May 2020 12: 04 New
                      +7
                      Quote: your1970
                      Moscow is just a giant metropolis - that's why everything is so huge there, and the numbers seem crazy

                      In the country "Zamkadye", there is growing dissatisfaction with the prosperous life in the country "Maskvabad" and the fact that in Maskvastan pensions are higher than in Zamkadye, that's all.
                    2. New Year day
                      New Year day 21 May 2020 13: 25 New
                      +4
                      Quote: your1970
                      Well, are you rushing around with these borders like with a written bag? !!!
                      2008 year

                      not ashamed?
                      Since 2011, the capital's authorities have spent more than 1,5 trillion rubles on landscaping - slightly less than the rest of Russia. It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://finance.rambler.ru/other/43341488/?utm_content=finance_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
                      Yes, we can say that Moscow earns more than it spends. BUT!
                      why then does Sobyanin receive subsidies from the federal budget?
                      In 2018, the federal budget granted Moscow subsidies of 27,7 billion rubles.
                      Read more at RBC:
                      https://www.rbc.ru/economics/22/02/2019/5c6d70799a7947e2a217bbcf
                      And if everything is so good with money in Moscow, then having his own factory for the production of masks Sobyanin sells them to Muscovites at a higher cost than at times - he could give them out for free.
                      Moscow Sobyanin - at the time of the plague!
        2. U-58
          U-58 21 May 2020 09: 58 New
          +2
          Do you even think you are writing?
          Or that the first comes to mind, then sharashite?
      2. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 22 May 2020 19: 21 New
        -1
        The reasons are political. Their goal is to destroy our country. Only all of you are mistaken in this decision of not our authorities.
        Raising the retirement age, VAT, etc., is the IMF’s decision for our country and we have it to be implemented. Thanks EBN.
        https://youtu.be/6Vv7KeEpyz8
    2. Qwertyarion
      Qwertyarion 21 May 2020 07: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: codetalker
      It was adopted not for socio-economic reasons, but for political

      But for more details please explain about political reasons. smile
      1. codetalker
        codetalker 21 May 2020 07: 51 New
        -5
        Explained above.
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  • rocket757
    rocket757 21 May 2020 06: 47 New
    -2
    Today, none of those who have kept the remnants of common sense have any doubts that in Russia they hurried with the increase of the retirement age.

    All the buns, from the top, gather in one pile, gather .... oh sho will be ???
    What will it be ???
  • Mouse
    Mouse 21 May 2020 07: 04 New
    -5
    You don’t believe in your strength! Who is to blame? I won’t continue .... you know yourself ... laughing
  • Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 21 May 2020 07: 11 New
    12
    Another "carrot" grown on the "beds" of the presidential administration ... precisely in the AP, and not in the liberal world of the Russian Federation, which dominates political economy. We already have a tradition - the president says one thing, and officials do another. Putin and his entourage have long been living in a different reality than the vast majority of the population. All this "sabotage" about another "concern for the people" is a distraction, like the "fight" against the pandemic, which once again fell on the shoulders of ordinary citizens, and not cut-throats, Millers, Grefs, Shoigu .. .. these "effective managers" have a headache about profits, not about pensions or unemployment. For more than 20 years we have been living (and here I agree with the author) on "TV" - first "nightingale trills", then "search for the guilty in foreign countries." And most importantly, everyone is to blame except Putin !!!! It cannot be that in 20 years a person will not make mistakes ... but this is a simple person, not a seper-duper Putin, and he has no desire to admit it, so the "televisions" are molding the cult of Putin ...
    Still, VO is a site about the military. And I would like to draw your attention to pensions related to the war, the war in Afghanistan. Not about the pensions of officers and warrant officers, but about those who were conscripts in Afghanistan. Now this category of people is beginning to enter retirement age, many with health problems, but few people know that war is not counted for these people in preferential service. We have repeatedly raised this topic at various levels, but we always come across a wall of silence. Today we have 150 thousand such people in the Russian Federation, and every year their number is getting smaller and smaller, a lot of them "leave" before they reach retirement age. They do not notice this situation, not for economic reasons, and not even for political reasons, but for Putin's personal attitude towards Afghans. Until now, a paradox, we are faced with the forgotten already - WE DIDN'T SEND YOU THERE !!!! On Afghan soil we fought for the Motherland, not for Brezhnev, Chernenko, Andropov and Gorbachev, and not for the interests of "big business" !!!!
  • parusnik
    parusnik 21 May 2020 07: 19 New
    +9
    Our state is like a laboratory, even more like an institution where people conduct experiments ...
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 21 May 2020 13: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: parusnik
      Our state is like a laboratory, even more like an institution where people conduct experiments ...

      and experiments are conducted not by specialists, but by students
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 21 May 2020 16: 45 New
        +3
        and experiments are conducted not by specialists, but by students
        ... Applicants, victims of the exam
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 21 May 2020 08: 03 New
    -3
    Quote: codetalker
    What does the people have to do with it? Do peoples carry out coups and civil wars? Or all the same, they are organized by power groups, and the people are displayed as extras and muscle mass.

    + Stop a hundred for you comment good
  • GMM
    GMM 21 May 2020 08: 22 New
    0
    A hybrid war is being waged against us, there is absolutely no time left for rocking the boat, the fifth column is everywhere, the children of Navalny and Obamachmo are to blame for all our troubles.
    But Krymnash and in Syria, we all defeated the barmaley, what else is needed for complete happiness?
    1. awdrgy
      awdrgy 21 May 2020 12: 35 New
      0
      Generally not the topic) All Crimea Navalny with Obama columns and hybrids seem to have been forgotten About them for a long time (topics of 5-7 years ago) There’s already another mash)
  • prior
    prior 21 May 2020 08: 28 New
    10
    While the Vlasov flag dangles over the Kremlin, I do not expect anything good from this government.
    Vlasov went to fight and kill his people, the power came to rob and ruin his people,
    what is the difference?
  • Alex66
    Alex66 21 May 2020 08: 58 New
    +8
    Putin is a stooge of the capitalists, and the laborers for them are loafers and pretenders who do not deserve more than enough food and shelter for clothes. So you should not expect favors from our elite, we will be deprived of everything that the October Revolution won, they will be deprived of education, medicine, work, pensions and life itself - they will introduce euthanasia when they reach the age of survival.
    1. awdrgy
      awdrgy 21 May 2020 12: 44 New
      0
      Well, since he earns little, it means that he is a stupid lazy person and (or) ineffective for other reasons, including due to his age. It seems like it’s not a pity (No one even remembers dignity and conscience.
  • depressant
    depressant 21 May 2020 09: 07 New
    +1
    Colleagues, I appeal to everyone!
    You forgot something, and who remembers, then ... forgot about memories.
    Full power in Russia never belonged to Putin - right? So, my dear, so. Yesterday the list resulted, it is necessary to renew.
    Compared to Stalin and Brezhnev, Putin cannot:
    - amend the Constitution
    - make laws
    - give interpretation of laws
    - hold referendums
    - ratify international treaties
    - Appoint judges of the Supreme Court and the Attorney General
    - amend laws
    - Form and appoint the Government without the consent of other authorities ...
    Putin could not do anything, and I could do everything I have listed to the extent that the party bureaucracy, which seized power in the 92nd, allowed him to do so, and to the extent that we demanded of him.
    Wake up, finally! Putin is not an independent figure! We are from the USSR. We still do not know how to live without a leader, whom we endlessly believe. So here's a leader for you, the officials said in 2000, and slipped us a Putin who was convenient for them and desired for us. At the same time portraying that they are very dependent on him. By directing our admiration and hatred to him, depending on the decisions made by them, officials, that looked like Putin was making them. Slightly depending on him. But not according to the law, but because of the compromising evidence he has on them. Which on occasion can be used. And gradually, at the same time, neutralizing that compromising evidence - either by a statute of limitations, or in some other way. For example, the influence on the country by the supply chain of the US Federal Reserve, IMF, Nabiullina, Siluanov. And now the king is naked. He has finally lost the halo of his influence and does not look like a king with a scepter and power, but a whipping boy. Have you forgotten his speech with the famous "Please be understanding" about the pension reform? He looked like a mannequin. He was a dummy! That is, who he really is. He is shown to us like a punching bag in the gym. Like, hit your health! And at this time we will do the nasty things that we need.
    Coronavirus put everything in its place. Officials in alliance with the oligarchs creep out into the light and show who the true owners are in the house. But there are a lot of them, it’s inconvenient to beat, we’ll bother. Where is the only figure of the pseudo-leader more convenient, isn't it? But! Beating only Putin, we thereby allow ministers and officials of all ranks to create the genocide of our people with impunity, because they are, as it were, in the shadows. It’s time to bring all to light! All! Otherwise, never achieve anything in your favor.
    And ... did you forget that the pension reform in our country was initiated by the IMF?
    1. pereselenec
      pereselenec 21 May 2020 09: 51 New
      -3
      Quote: depressant
      Colleagues, I appeal to everyone!
      You forgot something, and who remembers, then ... forgot about memories.
      Full power in Russia never belonged to Putin - right?


      No, Nodovite. All full-fledged absolute power in Russia has been in the hands of Putin and the Yeltsin "family" who appointed him for 20 years. The feeble attempts of Fedorov's sectarians to suggest that poor impotent Putin can do nothing, and Obama took our pensions - the most pitiful and doomed campaign of the Kremlin propagandists for the entire period of their activity.
      1. depressant
        depressant 21 May 2020 10: 02 New
        +7
        Colleague, explain what a "node" is. All the time I hear about a certain GCD, but did not bother to ask.
        And you, it seems, get Siluanov and Nabiullina out of the attack, who rule, implementing the instructions of the IMF?
        1. pereselenec
          pereselenec 21 May 2020 10: 05 New
          -6
          Colleague, explain what a "node" is. All the time I hear about a certain GCD, but did not bother to ask.
          Take care and tighten the materiel.

          And you, it seems, get Siluanov and Nabiullina out of the attack, who rule, implementing the instructions of the IMF?

          In my post there is not a single word about any chicks of Putin’s nest, such as Chubais, Siluanov, Nabiullina.
        2. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 22 May 2020 19: 32 New
          -1
          You speak the language of NOD and their words. This should not be shy, it's all true.
          But about the pension reform vidosik.
          https://youtu.be/6Vv7KeEpyz8
    2. U-58
      U-58 21 May 2020 10: 01 New
      +5
      Putin can’t change the Constitution ..
      However, it is changing. Personally for yourself, beloved ..
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 22 May 2020 19: 35 New
        0
        You simply don’t know because you weren’t informed on TV, but for this purpose signatures were collected all over the country last year.
        Putin is changing in connection with the appeal of citizens.
    3. Oleg Skvortsov
      Oleg Skvortsov 21 May 2020 11: 09 New
      +3
      Lyudmila Yakovlevna. you have a controversial post. You started exactly as a witness to Uncle Fedor’s Nod sect - they have one mantra - no objection - nothing to do with it - the boyars are to blame and the Constitution is not the one, but how to reset, it will be the one. Then you called the leader (Siberian Cranes, Comanches, etc., etc.) a puppet in connection with his foggy past at St. Petersburg galleys. I agree with this - everyone is tied to each other - incriminating evidence against each other - dusty volumes.
  • tochila
    tochila 21 May 2020 09: 30 New
    -1
    Your words and authority in your ears !!!
  • pereselenec
    pereselenec 21 May 2020 09: 47 New
    -1
    Pension reform: do not supplement, but cancel

    Putin plans to cancel. But not pension reform, but the funded part of the pension.

  • My_log_in
    My_log_in 21 May 2020 09: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
    ... They do not notice this situation, not for economic reasons, and not even for political, but for Putin's personal attitude towards Afghans. Until now, the paradox, we are faced with the forgotten already - WE DID NOT SEND YOU THERE !!!! On Afghan soil we fought for the Motherland, not for Brezhnev, Chernenko, Andropov and Gorbachev, and not for the interests of "big business" !!!!

    ... but because we are already old, we can’t just bring us to the barricades request these are the "Chechens" of the first and especially the second can be rocked ...
  • Linxs
    Linxs 21 May 2020 09: 54 New
    +5
    Quote: Lyuba1965_01
    I agree with everything except Grudinin. Do you really believe that a millionaire who does not even remember how many accounts he has will be for ordinary people?

    GDP also does not remember how much his salary is ... So this is the salary. Not to mention the bills ....
  • Siberia
    Siberia 21 May 2020 10: 15 New
    +9
    This pension reform with increasing retirement age will never forgive Putin! I’ll die, but I won’t forgive ... I was also surprised when in 2018 people voted for Putin ... I also asked them - did he really do something good for all those years that he was in power ??? Personally, I did not see anything good in the long reign of the GDP, neither then nor even more so now ... Nothing ... Some failures in everything, the collapse of everything and everything, corruption, fines, taxes ...
  • EVDmitri
    EVDmitri 21 May 2020 10: 38 New
    +4
    Yes, the setup with the pension "reform" was planned and played professionally.
    There is now no other way out of this situation, except the cancellation of this erroneous decision.
  • EVDmitri
    EVDmitri 21 May 2020 10: 51 New
    +3
    Quote: codetalker
    It is necessary to discard the image of power as a kind of abstract integral unit.

    It is this image that is imposed on people through the media and the Internet. And not without taking into account the cliché that was introduced into the masses during the Soviet years about the monolithic unity of the party and government. It acts by inertia. This is the basis for a game of the "Italian strike" type, only the functions are performed in the most stupid manner possible.
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 21 May 2020 11: 16 New
    +4
    Our officials will continue to steal while sailing even on the sinking Titanic. Do you think that someone wrote this order of the Ministry of Health and did not plant the corruption component of the "bomb" there. I laid it down and how. Everything was left to the mercy of chief doctors and officials. They simply could not get past such money. Some doctors, as it turns out, were even threatened by local law enforcement agencies for their legitimate demands for remuneration for their work by decree of the President. Now officials say it was a mistake. There was no mistake, but there was an attempt at the future cutting of those funds that were not paid under any pretext, then would have been shoved into the pockets of officials and other "necessary" people. Now the President intervened, and then. In general, each error has a surname, name, patronymic. And the system must be returned to the tariff payment. Stop feeding officials, their accomplices, ladies of the heart and others at the expense of those who work.
    1. depressant
      depressant 21 May 2020 12: 26 New
      +5
      Colleague tank64rus, do you mean the Government Decree on payments to doctors and the rest of the medical staff for N 484?
      Of course, the corruption component was laid there. After all, how was the decision drawn up? Clause 12 requires you to pay only the time actually worked, which is very acceptable to understand only the minutes spent by the doctor, nurse, ambulance driver, paramedic next to the patient. Without taking into account the fact that all medical staff cannot be near the patient all day. So it turns out that under Article 145.1. Criminal Code of the Russian Federation for non-payment of salaries, the term of imprisonment is up to 5 years for aggravating circumstances, and under Article 285.1. The Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - misuse of budget funds and up to 5 years, but without aggravating. Corruption officials decided that by dividing the allocated funds between themselves, on occasion they would refer to fear of a non-target - they didn’t understand, the wording was vague, and so we were great - even a penny, but we paid! It turns out that they referred and cleverly avoided both articles. I doubt that someone will be imprisoned. But what is the decree! Not otherwise point 12 was composed by doctors of corruption sciences.

      Since 2006, Russia has not ratified Article 20 of the UN Convention against Corruption and Illicit Enrichment.
      According to M ,. Delyagina, "corruption is the basis of the current state system. Most state decisions are made in the name of corruption. Whoever fights against it is a state criminal."
  • faterdom
    faterdom 21 May 2020 11: 50 New
    +6
    I think Putin lost anyway. It will not cancel, we will not forgive him for this. Cancel - wimp, so let him go to rest.
    Vlip. Pride overcame, considered himself infallible.
    He has already made an irreparable mistake, and I don’t know, honestly, how he can fix it. He killed his generally successful rule.
    This became clear even when Medvedev again proposed the government, because it was obvious to everyone (except him) that he was failing blatantly! And again, great ... This is a flaw in our "democracy" - the second person in the country, the head of the executive branch is not elected by the people, and does not offer any program theses.
    What did they think would slip through? What, on football, or what? On muddy national projects similar to slogans, and not to programs?
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 21 May 2020 12: 06 New
      +4
      And what was successful except the Crimea? All the time I entrusted projects that no one completed and did not bear any responsibility
      1. About 2
        About 2 25 May 2020 04: 27 New
        -1
        Your truth is nothing but Crimea was not successful in Putin’s rule. But he and a pensioner simply knocked over a bowl of slops.
    2. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 22 May 2020 07: 13 New
      -2
      Raising the retirement age is an IMF decision. We have to comply with the constitution. They forget to tell you about this on TV, so I suggest you see this:
      https://youtu.be/6Vv7KeEpyz8
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 21 May 2020 12: 21 New
    +2
    Today none of those who have kept the remnants of common sense there is no doubt that in Russia they hurried with the increase of the retirement age.


    The character in the photo does not apply ..))
  • Kestrel
    Kestrel 21 May 2020 12: 40 New
    +4
    I agree with the author. Raising the retirement age in the Russian Federation is a crazy idea and this is not a smart decision to be canceled !!!
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 22 May 2020 07: 04 New
      -3
      This is not a crazy idea, this is an IMF decision for our country. And it, this decision is binding.
      https://youtu.be/6Vv7KeEpyz8
  • faterdom
    faterdom 21 May 2020 12: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: Kronos
    And what was successful except the Crimea? All the time I entrusted projects that no one completed and did not bear any responsibility

    It was, I must admit. He stopped the war in the Caucasus (it could still continue, as in Afghanistan), he removed the odious oligarchs from politics (and Hodor and Birch and from business), pensions began to be paid on time, and pay to state employees (there was a delay of six months or more before it with this). After all, the Crimean bridge was built, and this is a plus, it was neither the Soviet government, nor the tsar before it, although it was obviously needed 150 years ago.
    But to put liberal accountants or security officers in all key posts is a strange personnel policy. And those others are good in their places, but which of them are the ministers of health and social services, economic development, automobile, aviation, shipbuilding, space and machine-building industries, leaders of science - "well, no shmogla" is called. The Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Defense of the Chekists are also so-so, to be honest, well, it's not theirs!
    Taburetkin is the apotheosis of personnel policy, comparable only to the senator of the time of Caligula in the form of his horse. And that - from a horse such harm could not be, for whatever he "voted" there. And the "horse apples" in the Senate building are easy to remove, but rebuilding divisions and military universities is expensive, expensive, and time is very sensitive.
  • Vladislav Zlatoverhovnikov
    Vladislav Zlatoverhovnikov 21 May 2020 16: 33 New
    +1
    Gentlemen and comrades, you have been given 2 months to think. I propose, as a teacher, I apologize to answer some questions for ourselves:
    1. What does the priority of international laws over the laws of the Russian Federation mean? Do you really think that in Europe everyone is exclusively gay? Maybe they sleep and see how it would be more effective to corrupt their children with sex education from kindergarten? The whole world, as if on command, isolated itself - a miracle? Everyone is OBLIGED to comply with the requirements of the IMF, WHO and other "international" organizations and keep quiet at the same time.
    2. What do the words mean: "Ideological diversity is recognized in the Russian Federation. In addition, no ideology can be recognized as dominant."
    Can the State have its own ideological media? - No!!! How many times was the TV appeal of GDP repeated in the Constitution that international law should not have full priority over Russian laws? Who supported?
    HOW MANY VOTES AGAINST?
    WHO DOES THE MEDIA OWN, INCLUDING THE INTERNET?
    In any case, it is necessary to listen to those who propose specific LEGAL amendments, and not to those who speak of the sacred cow of the constitution.
    International law from all branches of law is maximally politicized. Remember how WADA forbade holding international tournaments in the territory of OUR country, and Russian athletes compete for four years at the Olympics and world championships under the national flag.
    3. Where did our politicians get their money for election campaigns since 1991? Get acquainted with the speech of the deputy of the XXVI Congress of the CPSU Sazha Umalatova, how politicians buy. https://youtu.be/VLSOJ2lZxes
    Who owns the property of our oligarchs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scs-poH5gqU
    Where are the assets of Russian oligarchs registered?
    The flight of the oligarchs: where billionaires are hiding from the tax authorities of Russia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr5npCiSoCw
    “Let me issue and manage the money of the nation, and I don’t care who creates its laws.” WITH.
    And the worst thing, we wake up and start thinking when the dead appear in every family ... coronavirus, default - these are flowers.
  • ism_ek
    ism_ek 21 May 2020 17: 47 New
    -1

    But the number of unemployed, by all indications, in Russia has already increased significantly.
    Another nonsense of Navalny and the company. In the same retail there are a lot of vacancies.
  • KJIETyc
    KJIETyc 21 May 2020 17: 48 New
    +5
    These nits can be made to work at a construction site up to 65, and you can also nod in the Duma even to dementia, receiving not frail coins for this.
  • Poru4ik
    Poru4ik 21 May 2020 19: 48 New
    +1
    The other day I came across this information:
    The size of the monthly funded pension of Russians may be reduced in 2021. This is reported by the newspaper "Izvestia".
    According to the publication, the bill "On the expected period of the payment of the funded pension for 2021" provides for an increase in the payment period from 258 to 264 months (up to 22 years).
    At this time, the entire amount of savings that Russians can receive after retirement will be divided. The Ministry of Labor explained that the bill was developed on the basis of Rosstat data.
    “The size of the funded pension does not affect the size of the insurance pension. The size of the insurance pension is established by the state, based on the length of service and the size of the citizen's pension contributions, ”the press service of the Ministry of Labor emphasized.
    At the same time, the newspaper recalled that the term for paying funded pensions has been increasing annually since 2016 and has already grown by 30 months during this period.
    According to Rambler, earlier the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank submitted a draft bill - “Guaranteed Pension Plan”, which stipulates that the participants in the system will gradually postpone part of their earnings and receive payments after retirement.
    Something like that !
  • KSVK
    KSVK 21 May 2020 21: 03 New
    0
    Quote: your1970
    you get tired of "corrupt damn bureaucrats !!!"

    Excuse me, but allow me the question, what do you do in the civil service? For such huge salaries. I will later explain what this question was about.
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 22 May 2020 06: 55 New
    0
    The author is good at driving, raising the retirement age is an IMF decision for our country and this decision is binding on us. As long as there is no other IMF decision, or until our country decides to live according to its own standards, and not international as it is now, there will be no change or abolition of pension reform.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 22 May 2020 09: 09 New
    -1
    Let's just do everything from 50 years old, and everyone will be happy. But only then there are no claims that the old people will be scored, since there will be no one to keep them.

    We have material wealth out of nowhere. We, as everyone knows, do not produce anything, the whole world feeds us so that we build two-story summer cottages, drive cars, and relax in Thailand.
    1. About 2
      About 2 25 May 2020 04: 20 New
      -1
      You need to hammer kremlebotalo.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 22 May 2020 09: 40 New
    -1
    The average life expectancy for men is now 67 years. At the same time, the physical form of men at the age of 60 is now much superior to that at the time when the retirement age was established. A peasant, or a worker who plowed for 12 hours at the factory 6 days a week (and not 2 shifts of 12), simply physically worked by 60, if they survived, so much that they could only sit on a bench near the house. Now at the age of 60, they are generally healthy men. Moreover, it is after retirement that people begin to age very much, I can even judge by my baht, which while he worked in the shop (and he generally has 55 rights, and this is justified, the power plant is an object with increased harmfulness, although it is still less harmful than the plant of tsarist times, and it is in this category that the increase is doubtful, but he worked up to 60) at least he could not drink on working days. Now he has nothing to do, a job as a security guard in three days, it’s like a completely different regime, two years have not yet passed, and the person even outwardly has grown very old. People have little idea of ​​what they will do in retirement, and it is corny to drink too much. And an engineer, if he was initially healthy, at the age of 60, you can plow it. For many, you cannot say that they are 60. At the same time, many are highly qualified specialists simply because of their seniority. I now work at a tire plant, though not in a shop, and I, for example, can judge what a vulcanization production of Soviet times is, when the shop is hotter than in the Sahara, and modern, when there are a minimum of people, and the temperature is for high-quality ventilation, almost room. Probably, the "wear" of people here will be much less.

    Again, we have trouble with fertility, and now with the generation of the 90s who came of childbearing age, you can grumble as much as you like on Putin, but he removes the additional burden from you, according to the content of young grandfathers, like my former boss, for whom retirement is really the beginning of a new life, and he probably would have agreed to work up to 70, throwing tea in the tire shop into the formatter. There were few children in the 90s, and there was simply no one to work in the coming years. Whining about Yeltsin will not help here, it is an objective reality from which it is necessary to get out. At the same time, an increase in the term of work somewhat expands the range of childbearing age, which is now determined not so much by physiology as plans, that a child should be raised for another 20 years and money is needed.

    Raise the retirement age YES!
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 22 May 2020 16: 37 New
    -2
    Frustrated ...
    You cannot imagine how Putin became disillusioned with you, since he went on to put you under the hot pan of the "pension reform" in order to move you from your place to free Russia from the colonial oppression of the United States. But this did not work either. Now catch the "crown" ...
    Not through the head, but through the .ope, but it will. There will be no freebies!
  • About 2
    About 2 25 May 2020 04: 16 New
    -1
    No matter how they fill Putin, and in the United States, not a few male people retire at the age of 50.
  • Dimmedroll
    Dimmedroll 25 May 2020 20: 00 New
    +1
    deputies from the "Growth Party" Oksana Dmitrieva and Sergey Trokhmanenko, these comrades are simply PR, as soon as they reach the authorities. They will raise the retirement age to 70. They are Western grant-eaters. Both visited the American Embassy in St. Petersburg while we had it. And the article is similar to the PR of the Rost party.