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Accidents F-22 and F-35: we understand what happens to fighters of the 5th generation of the USA

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High-profile accidents with American aircraft of the latest generation are happening more and more often. Only in the last five days, F-22 and F-35A aircraft crashed, and before that, there were many similar cases. So what happens to fifth-generation American fighters? Let's try to figure it out.


Fighter F-35A, which was part of aviation A squadron stationed at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida crashed on landing. According to the information on the page of the air base on Twitter, the pilot survived, nothing threatens his life. By the way, the Eglin air base is also a training center for preparing pilots for flying on the F-35.

Nothing is known about the causes of the accident, but the US military is alarmed: the second accident in a few days (before which the F-22 Raptor fell) can cause great reputation damage to such a fierce fifth-generation American aircraft.

F-22 Raptor crashes: pilots have been afraid of flying this plane for a long time


On May 15, 2020, from the same base, Eglin flew on his last training flight the US Air Force F-22 Raptor, assigned to the 43rd fighter squadron of the 325th fighter wing. By a happy coincidence, the Raptor pilot managed to survive: he successfully ejected and was taken to a military hospital for rehabilitation.

With the F-22, whose production is already closed, similar incidents have occurred before. On March 25, 2009, the F-22 crashed in the area of ​​the Edwards air base, while his lieutenant colonel David Cooley, piloting it, died.

November 16, 2010 - a new incident with a tragic end: the F-22 crash from Elmendorf airbase claimed the life of pilot Captain Jeffrey Haney. At the same time, representatives of the Air Force first put forward a version of the pilot’s mistake, but then it turned out that the engine overheated became the cause of the tragedy. Captain Haney's widow sues Lockheed Martin.


The next accident occurred on November 15, 2012. The F-22A Block 10 aircraft of the 43rd fighter squadron of the 325th fighter wing of the US Air Force crashed near the Tyndall air base in Florida, but this time the pilot managed to escape, although he was injured.

With the F-22 in general, many interesting stories were associated. So, during 2011-2012. The US Air Force even halted flights of all fighters of this model several times. There was a public appearance of the two pilots, in which they declared their refusal to fly on the F-22.

F-35s also fall and burn


The fifth-generation multi-role fighter F-35 was conceived as a more advanced model, replacing the F-22. What PR moves were not invented in the USA to ensure sales of this very expensive aircraft to foreign countries. So, one of the most important buyers of the aircraft was Japan.

On April 9, 2019 at 19:30, the F-35A aircraft, owned by the 302nd squadron of the Japanese Self-Defense Forces, crashed over the Pacific Ocean. The accident occurred 135 km east of the Misawa base during a training flight. The pilot of the F-35A, 41-year-old Major Akinomi Hosomi, died.

True, Japanese Defense Minister Takeshi Iwai "otmazat" F-35, saying that the technical characteristics of the aircraft have nothing to do with the accident, and the reason for the tragedy is the loss of orientation by Major Akinomi Hosomi during the flight. Why suddenly an experienced Japanese pilot "lost orientation" in flight, did not explain.

Meanwhile, six months before the F-35A crash in Japan, on September 28, 2018, the F-35B fighter, belonging to the 501st training squadron of the US Marine Corps air assault fighter aircraft, fell 8 km west of the Beaufort base at South Carolina. The pilot managed to catapult and escape. CBS News then called the accident the first crash incident in the F-35 fighter family.


Before the fall in South Carolina, incidents with the F-35, although they did occur, did not lead to falls. So, repeatedly there were fires, but pilots managed to make emergency landings. The first such incident occurred on June 23, 2014 with an F-35A assigned to the 58th fighter squadron of the US Air Force. The plane took off from the Eglin base in Florida, but his engine caught fire. The pilot managed to interrupt the flight and leave the car, but the damage caused by the fire was so significant that the plane had to be decommissioned.

Another fire occurred on October 27, 2016 with the F-35B aircraft of the 501st training squadron of marine attack fighter aircraft of the US Marine Corps from the Beaufort base. They managed to land the plane, no one was hurt, but the damage was also so impressive that the F-35B was decommissioned.

Meanwhile, regardless of whether the pilots survived the accident or not, whether it was possible to save the plane or had to be decommissioned, any incidents with the F-35 hit the image of the aircraft, in which the United States invested hundreds of billions of dollars in the program.

Not only is each car very expensive and in case of write-off or death, the owner country loses enormous money, so accidents make potential buyers doubt the pluses of the F-35. Therefore, the United States is not at all interested in revealing the true causes of accidents. The ideal excuse for such cases is “pilot error”, as was the case with Japanese major Hosomi.
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 20 May 2020 10: 59 New
    -2
    Let's start flying just as intensely ... and look at accidents .... while Su57 10pcs and 1 crashed. F35 100pcs and 2 crashed, F22 200pcs have been flying for 20 years and 2 crashed.
    1. kjhg
      kjhg 20 May 2020 11: 20 New
      +7
      Quote: Zaurbek
      F35 100pcs and 2 crashed

      By the beginning of this year, 490 F-35 aircraft were in operation around the world, which had flown over 240 thousand hours. This year they plan to produce more than 140 aircraft.
      1. Constructor68
        Constructor68 21 May 2020 06: 45 New
        21
        I read the comments and noticed an interesting thing. Yes, someone rejoices at the opportunity to poke mattresses, someone calls for objectivity ... but an interesting pattern: for some reason, the most actively defending the American military-industrial complex and the US armed forces are those who are most active in other branches salivating and criticizing the Russian government , industry, economy. At first I thought that all these "Civil", "kjhg (Voroshilovsky shooter), Octopus are such domestic patriots that they worry about the country and criticize the authorities for the cause. But what are these lousy patriots who revile their own in every way, and potential opponents for such do they defend the problems in every possible way? It turns out whose patriots are they all the same, patriots of which country?
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 21 May 2020 09: 21 New
          +6
          Constructor68 (Aviator)
          At first I thought that all these "Civil", "kjhg (Voroshilovsky shooter), Octopus are such domestic patriots that they worry about the country and criticize the authorities for the cause. But what are these lousy patriots who revile their own in every way, and potential opponents for such do they defend the problems in every possible way? It turns out whose patriots are they all the same, patriots of which country?
          Is this news to you? I understood "xy from xy" long ago. Them, the "patriots" of the USA, Israel, Ukraine, etc. generally easy to calculate. About Russia, the USSR, the Republic of Ingushetia, Muscovy, not a word of good or at least objective, but there in the West everything is bad.
          Truth be told, our authorities did everything possible and impossible, so that only the lazy would not criticize them, and even those who always supported this power.
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 21 May 2020 12: 31 New
            -6
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            Truth be told, our authorities did everything possible and impossible, so that only the lazy would not criticize them, and even those who always supported this power.

            Well, you see. It turns out even with us Russophobes, we can agree on something.
        2. Octopus
          Octopus 21 May 2020 12: 39 New
          -4
          Quote: Designer 68
          The octopus is such domestic patriots that worry about the country and criticize the authorities for the cause. But what kind of lousy patriots are they who vilify their own people in every possible way, and in every possible way protect potential opponents for similar problems?

          I will not say for others, but you are clearly very superficially familiar with my statements. Presenting to Americans is one of my favorite activities. True, more often for past affairs.
          Quote: Designer 68
          But what kind of lousy patriots are they who vilify their own people in every possible way, and in every possible way protect potential opponents for similar problems?

          If we consider the situation from the point of view of the Russian patriot, then everything is just beating. The Russian state does hack-work for a ruble taken from the people for a penny (as a rule, this is a TASS message from anonymous sources), the remaining 99 kopecks are stolen or spent on Sobyanin borders of the spring-summer 2020 collection. Meanwhile, a likely adversary is testing new models. Yes, it is facing a mountain of problems, but Russia is now where it was 30 years ago.
    2. peter mechkaev
      peter mechkaev 20 May 2020 11: 20 New
      11
      F-35 when did they resume flights? SU-57 experimental aircraft in contrast to the serial f-35-22
    3. sabakina
      sabakina 20 May 2020 11: 26 New
      11
      Zaurbek, so that there is no accident, I suggest;
      1. Shoot all the birds, because they fall into the engines.
      2. Remove the wind, because it has strong gusts.
      3. Remove the air, because it has holes.
      4. Level all the mountains, because planes get into them.
      5. Drain the entire oceans, because it serves aircraft.
      6. Take away the Earth in general, because planes fall on it.
      After all this, have you not yet decided to live? wink
      1. novel66
        novel66 20 May 2020 11: 29 New
        +3
        a great accident prevention plan !!! good Glory, urgently to the Air Force Commander-in-Chief !!! lol
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 20 May 2020 11: 31 New
          +1
          Roma, thanks. I will stay with the prosecutor. wink And there it will be seen.
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 20 May 2020 13: 24 New
        +2
        I’m not talking about this .... to compare the accident rate between airplanes, you need to have an appropriate sample of the number in pieces, flight hours and years of operation ....
    4. YakimovSS
      YakimovSS 20 May 2020 11: 31 New
      +7
      Rude, comrade, rude. And not professionally. To compare aircraft transferred to the army with products in testing is rude.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 20 May 2020 13: 24 New
        +1
        Compare with Su27 / 30 / 35C
    5. NEXUS
      NEXUS 20 May 2020 11: 59 New
      12
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Let's start flying just as intensely ... and look at accidents .... while Su57 10pcs and 1 crashed.

      Well, a raid on the PAK FA and then on the SU-57 is not quite frail, but several thousand hours. At the same time, one car was lost without the death of the pilot.
      As for the intensity ... so in Syria they flew and fly quite intensively and especially there our cars do not crash.
      As for the F-35, it has already been said how many times that the car is damp. Either the oxygen system has a problem, the gun doesn’t shoot there, the coating falls off ... I will tell you so, the F-35 will continue to fall. And the point is not only in the intensity and number of hours of flight.
      1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
        Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 20 May 2020 19: 51 New
        -18
        I will tell you so, F-35 will continue to fall
        Wow, someone on the Internet boldly speaks words for which they will not ask him later. How brave you are, I admire!
        1. Oyo Sarkazmi
          Oyo Sarkazmi 21 May 2020 14: 44 New
          +3
          Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
          How brave you are, I admire!

          Is it hard to be a prophet? Insufficient traction on one engine. Electronics using technology of household appliances (the less nanometers, the better). The disregard for aerodynamics is the main thing that it looks cool and futuristic.
          The Americans long ago switched to the principle of punitive war - imperceptibly crept, hit, fled. Well, or a crowd of 100 for one, as in Yugoslavia.
          1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
            Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 21 May 2020 14: 54 New
            -6
            Quote: Oo sarcasm
            Insufficient traction on one engine

            A country with a cheat for endless money is trying to think about the cost of maintaining the park, fools! They would have Russian self-confidence, three engines would be shoved.

            Quote: Oo sarcasm
            Electronics using technology of household appliances (the less nanometers, the better).

            Again, well-deserved criticism from the country of the largest transistors.

            Quote: Oo sarcasm
            Ignorant attitude towards aerodynamics

            I’m not even surprised at your competence in everything else. The Russian land will not be lost.

            Quote: Oo sarcasm
            principle of punitive war

            And which one is correct with the Russian patriot? The storming of Grozny, 080808, what?
            1. Oyo Sarkazmi
              Oyo Sarkazmi 21 May 2020 15: 02 New
              +2
              But the point of view of the American patriot - throw a bomb into the crowd, explosives will separate the terrorists from the democrats!
              1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
                Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 21 May 2020 15: 55 New
                -5
                Russian patriot spares bombs? Are you sure that women still give birth?
            2. d ^ Amir
              d ^ Amir 23 May 2020 08: 16 New
              0
              and forcing Georgia to peace or how do you write 080808 what questions ???
              1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
                Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 23 May 2020 16: 04 New
                0
                Ask the participants for coercion to organize the process.
                1. d ^ Amir
                  d ^ Amir 23 May 2020 18: 49 New
                  0
                  if only the organization of the case is forced to agree, the commander under fire with a civilian cell phone is enchanting
    6. letinant
      letinant 20 May 2020 12: 11 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      Let's start flying just as intensely ... and look at accidents .... while Su57 10pcs and 1 crashed. F35 100pcs and 2 crashed, F22 200pcs have been flying for 20 years and 2 crashed.

      Accidents and catastrophes of the F-22 Raptor fighter

      On the night of November 16, 2012, an F-22 Raptor fighter crashed onto a highway in Florida in the southeastern United States. The incident took place near the Tyndall Air Force Base south of Panama City, Florida. The pilot managed to eject, he was hospitalized. No other casualties or casualties were reported.

      On November 16, 2010, an F-22A Raptor with tail number 06-4125 crashed in Alaska. The aircraft, assigned to the 525th Squadron of the 3rd Air Wing (Elmendorf-Richardson base, Alaska), crashed 160 km from Anchorage during a training flight. The pilot Jeffrey Haney did not manage to eject and was killed.

      On March 25, 2009, the F-22A (serial number 91-4008) crashed in the Mojave Desert of California, 35 kilometers northeast of the Edwards Air Force Base during a test flight. Pilot David Cooley, a 49-year-old veteran with 21 years of piloting experience, died.

      On December 20, 2004, the F-22A (serial number 00-4014) crashed during takeoff from the Nellis Air Base (Nevada), and the pilot ejected.

      On April 25, 1992, the prototype YF-22A (serial number 87-0701) crashed while landing at Edwards Air Force Base and was decommissioned. The accident occurred due to deficiencies in the aircraft control system.

      Accidents and crash F-35:
      June 23, 2014 at F-35A (s / n AF-27, r / n 10-5015 [145] [146] [147]), assigned to the 58th fighter squadron of the US Air Force, flying out on a training mission from the Eglin base in Florida, the engine caught fire. The pilot safely interrupted takeoff and left the plane. The reason was the failure of the third stage of the rotor of the engine fan. The F-35A was badly damaged: the blades of a faulty rotor cut through the engine fan housing, engine compartment, internal fuel tank, and hydraulic and fuel lines. Damage caused fuel and hydraulic fluid to leak, resulting in ignition of the stern and fire in two-thirds of the aircraft. It is estimated that the total loss from the accident exceeded $ 50 million [148] [149] [150]. The plane was decommissioned. [151] [152]

      September 23, 2016 F-35A (s / n AF-63, r / n 12-5052 [153]), assigned to the 61st fighter squadron [en] US Air Force, deployed at the base "Luke" [en] in Arizona , caught fire on the runway of the Mountain Home airbase in Idaho [153]. During engine start, a fire occurred in the rear of the aircraft. The alleged cause is F135 engine failure. After examining the pilot and three aircraft maintenance specialists at the medical center, it turned out that none of them were injured. [154]

      October 27, 2016 F-35B (s / n BF-06, r / n 168057 [155] [156]), assigned to the 501st training squadron of naval strike fighters of the United States Naval Forces, made an emergency landing at the aviation station " Beaufort ”in South Carolina. The fighter caught fire during a training flight. The plane landed safely, no one was hurt. In the report of the naval security center, the incident is classified as class “A” [157], which means that the damage caused is estimated at $ 2 million or more. The report of the security center says that a fire occurred in the weapons compartment of the aircraft [158] [159]. The reason was the technical feature, which consists in laying electrical wiring close to the hydraulic lines. The plane was decommissioned. [160] [161] [162]

      According to unconfirmed reports from the media, the Israeli F-35 was damaged by a Russian-made S-200 missile during an Israeli air strike in Syria at the end of 2017; however, Israel claims that one of its F-35s was damaged, but after a collision with a bird. [163]

      August 22, 2018 at 12:50 F-35A, assigned to the 58th fighter squadron of the US Air Force, made an emergency landing with a raised front landing gear at the Eglin air base in Florida. As a result of the incident, the EOTS optoelectronic location system could be affected. [164] [165] [166] [167] [168] [169]

      On September 4, 2018, the F-35C, assigned to the 125th Squadron of US fighter jets, suffered engine damage while training in air refueling over the Atlantic Ocean. Debris in the filling hose cone fell into the engine. The aircraft successfully landed on board the aircraft carrier Avraham Lincoln. [170] [171]

      On September 28, 2018 at 11:45 a.m. the F-35B, assigned to the 501st training squadron of the United States Naval Forces naval strike fighter jets, crashed 8 km west of the Beaufort Aviation Station in South Carolina. The pilot successfully ejected and was taken to hospital. According to CBS News, this is the first crash incident for the entire F-35 fighter family. [172] [173] [174] [175] [176] [177] [178]

      April 9, 2019 at 19:30 F-35A (s / n AX-05, r / n 79-8705 [179] [180] [181]), assigned to the 302nd squadron of the Japanese Air Force, crashed over the Pacific Ocean 135 km east of the Misawa base in Aomori Prefecture in Japan during a training flight. [182] [183] ​​[184]

      May 19, 2020 at 21:30 the F-35A fighter crashed, assigned to the 58th fighter squadron of the US Air Force in Florida during a landing.

      Something like this.
      1. Octopus
        Octopus 20 May 2020 15: 50 New
        -5
        Quote: letinant
        Accidents and crash F-35:

        That is, there is still one disaster and several accidents over 9 years of flight. An exceptional result for a military aircraft.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 21 May 2020 11: 24 New
          +1
          Typical for modern cars.
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 21 May 2020 12: 29 New
            0
            Quote: EvilLion
            Typical for modern cars.

            Only in 2020 2 F-16s were defeated with the loss of pilots.
      2. Morgan
        Morgan 20 May 2020 16: 16 New
        -8
        You bring everything together in one heap technical problems with a rocket hit, a piece of hose in the engine, the prototype 1992 - "horses mixed in a heap people swords axes axes" looks something like this.
    7. figwam
      figwam 20 May 2020 12: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Let's start flying just as intensely ..

      We also fly intensively
    8. Civil
      Civil 20 May 2020 12: 22 New
      -5
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Let's start flying just as intensely ... and look at accidents .... while Su57 10pcs and 1 crashed. F35 100pcs and 2 crashed, F22 200pcs have been flying for 20 years and 2 crashed.

      You do not raise doubts here. They said they were glad that they were falling. Call unreliable and unstable.
    9. Octopus
      Octopus 20 May 2020 15: 47 New
      -2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      F35 100pcs and 2 crashed,

      Penguins are already six hundred. Only Americans have more than four hundred (in the sum of three modifications).
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 21 May 2020 14: 47 New
        0
        Given the cost of servicing one aircraft - may it be with him force budget!
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 21 May 2020 14: 53 New
          +4
          I was always amazed at the anxiety of Russian commentators for the wallet of the American taxpayer.
          1. Oyo Sarkazmi
            Oyo Sarkazmi 21 May 2020 15: 00 New
            -2
            Duc ... American pensioners are starving! Pension funds burst! Children do not take old women across the road!
            And who else will regret the poor American pensioners? Only a Russian pensioner!
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    11. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 20 May 2020 23: 49 New
      +1
      F-35x lost 3 in general, F-22 lost 6 counts with a loved one the other day
    12. EvilLion
      EvilLion 21 May 2020 08: 45 New
      +1
      How can the F-22 fly for 20 years when it went into production in 2005? And how could 2 have crashed if more crashed?
    13. Voyager
      Voyager 23 May 2020 13: 43 New
      0
      It was not two, but five F-22s that crashed. F-35 lost five too. A big difference
  2. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 20 May 2020 11: 02 New
    +8
    Airplanes fought and will beat. And it doesn’t matter if it’s F-22 or 35.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 20 May 2020 11: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Airplanes fought and will beat. And it doesn’t matter if it’s F-22 or 35.

      Anything heavier than air falls. Proven by Newton.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 20 May 2020 13: 25 New
        +2
        The question is in% and the number of deaths in the air and on the ground.
      2. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 20 May 2020 17: 02 New
        -6
        Quote: sabakina
        Anything heavier than air falls. Proven by Newton.

        Especially in the Air Force \ VKS S-57 was the one for the transfer to the army but no luck
        It remains only to hope that he will be lucky for him more than his elder brothers only one example SU-27 only within Russia

        The disaster in the Khabarovsk Territory on January 14, 2010
        The accident in Kubinka on June 10, 2010 Su-27UB
        The accident in Primorye on September 20, 2010 Su-27UB
        The accident near Vladivostok on April 6, 2011, the plane Su-27SM, The accident in Karelia
        On June 28, 2012, a Su-27UB plane crashed near Petrozavodsk.
        June 9, 2016 in the suburbs crashed Su-27 fighter
        March 26, 2020, the Su-27, crashed in the Black Sea

        F-22 in operation 180 aircraft since 2010 2 accidents (according to the article)
        F-35 in operation about 500 aircraft since 2010 4 accidents (according to the article)
        And if you start to list all DRY fingers get sick typing.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 20 May 2020 23: 55 New
          +2
          And if you count the F-16 and your fingers will fall off .....

          By the way, everything that you listed was released no later than 1992 ....
          Of the newly built since 2009, for non-combat reasons, the Su-30SM was lost. Not a single Su-35 serial for non-military reasons has been lost. In the collision lost 2 Su-34.
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion 21 May 2020 08: 46 New
          +2
          Well, the accident rate of post-Soviet aircraft is also several times less than that of Soviet ones, because since then the level of automation has increased critically.
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 21 May 2020 09: 22 New
            -3
            Quote: EvilLion
            Well, the accident rate of post-Soviet aircraft is also several times less than that of Soviet ones,

            Throughout the world, no one has ever managed to avoid air crashes, make a headline:
            "F-22 and F-35 Accidents: Understanding What Happens to US Fifth Generation Fighters"
            Because of the 5 aircraft for 10 years that have been in service in the amount of about 700 units, this is simply PROMOTION, which does not correspond to reality and does not help the development of aircraft manufacturing in Russia.
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion 21 May 2020 11: 29 New
              0
              The Russian aircraft industry shows 1 loss for technical reasons on more than 300 serial and pre-production derivatives of the Su-2010 and Su-27 built after 57. Why should we somehow be surprised at the multiple decrease in accident rate in the USA during the transition from Cold War machines to construction vehicles after the year 2000, when we have the same thing.
              1. Vitaly gusin
                Vitaly gusin 21 May 2020 11: 44 New
                -2
                Quote: EvilLion
                The Russian aircraft industry shows 1 loss for technical reasons on more than 300 serial and pre-production derivatives of the Su-2010 and Su-27 built after 57.

                I did not understand your train of thought, if I understood correctly the SU-27 and SU-57 HAVE ORDERED THE ORDER OF 300 UNITS, AND THE ACCIDENT ONLY 1 AIRCRAFT?
                1. EvilLion
                  EvilLion 21 May 2020 11: 59 New
                  0
                  Well, go count the Su-34, Su-30SM, Su-35, Su-27SM3 and Su-30M2, plus 1 pre-production Su-57, which fell on those. reason. All other losses are either crew errors (all Su-34s), or a collision with some pelican, or what the Su-30SM caught in Syria.
                  1. Vitaly gusin
                    Vitaly gusin 21 May 2020 12: 34 New
                    -2
                    Quote: EvilLion
                    Well, go count the Su-34, Su-30SM, Su-35, Su-27SM3 and Su-30M2

                    All accidents happen because of some reason, for no reason there are no accidents.
                    Unfortunately, this is happening and will happen everywhere.
                    I wrote that SUShek had many accidents, without indicating their causes.
                    The same thing happened with the F-22 and F-35, but there were 5 accidents, as I wrote on about 700 planes and 1000 pilots, and around them they danced with songs and some with spears.
                    1. EvilLion
                      EvilLion 21 May 2020 12: 56 New
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                      The accident of the MiG-29K, which was not sent to the ground, but did not have time to fix the air finisher, is obviously not connected in any way with the quality of the aircraft, or even with the pilot's skill. What do you want to say about the F-35, I don’t really understand, it has an accident rate that is quite adequate for a modern aircraft, no worse, and no better than our new cars. If the F-22 was the same age as the Su-27, then during the same raid they would have smashed 2-3 times more.
                      1. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 21 May 2020 14: 35 New
                        -2
                        Quote: EvilLion
                        The accident of the MiG-29K, which was not sent to the ground, but did not have time to fix the air finisher, is obviously not connected in any way with the quality of the aircraft, or even with the pilot's skill.

                        I completely did not associate the accident with any factors.
                        He simply wrote that the author was trying to expose everything not Russian terribly bad, but the Russian best in the world.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 20 May 2020 11: 08 New
    +5
    Flight accidents were, are and WILL be.
    The sky is not the environment for which the creator "designed" us. The man decided that he was .... not psis, better psis! But even the birds, created for the air element, FALL!
    We draw a logical conclusion and try not to fall too often.
  4. novel66
    novel66 20 May 2020 11: 10 New
    +2
    The pilot managed to interrupt the flight and leave the car, but the damage caused by the fire was so significant that the plane had to be decommissioned.

    and the plane itself sat ????
    1. BREAKTHROUGH READY
      BREAKTHROUGH READY 20 May 2020 11: 23 New
      +1
      It caught fire during takeoff.
      1. novel66
        novel66 20 May 2020 11: 26 New
        0
        interrupt flight

        not take off, it’s written
  5. Sklendarka
    Sklendarka 20 May 2020 11: 14 New
    0
    And I thought the author had his own person. in Lzngli. So what is the reason for the "case"?, is Newton to blame?
    1. novel66
      novel66 20 May 2020 11: 27 New
      +4
      Newton is to blame
      yes it is anyway. otherwise people would fly like birds ..
      1. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 20 May 2020 12: 07 New
        +1
        And what is characteristic, he didn’t like apples, but solved the riddle of why they fall. And the author had to write, airplanes fall because they fly, but under the heading, only for official use. ”Chapman is resting ...
        1. novel66
          novel66 20 May 2020 12: 08 New
          +4
          chipboard something? Owls secretly, before reading burn
          1. Sklendarka
            Sklendarka 20 May 2020 13: 10 New
            -1
            So there are no secrets
            - What happened to the Kursk ???
            - She drowned ....
  6. helmi8
    helmi8 20 May 2020 11: 16 New
    0
    Only in the last five days, F-22 and F-35A aircraft crashed, and before that, there were many similar cases. So what happens to fifth-generation American fighters?

    What happens sooner or later was about to happen. Launched in a series of incomplete and tested aircraft, they are now reaping the benefits.
    1. BREAKTHROUGH READY
      BREAKTHROUGH READY 20 May 2020 11: 22 New
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      Launched in a series of incomplete and tested aircraft, they are now reaping the benefits.
      Do you even know how many mi-8s crashed like on your avatar? Or do you think they are also "not fully finalized"? Then maybe teach designers and engineers to build unbreakable equipment, since you are so smart, and everyone around (especially specialists) is stupid?)
      1. depressant
        depressant 20 May 2020 11: 36 New
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        This year.
        On February 14, MI-8, flying to Sabetta, made a hard landing due to a snowstorm, rolled over, everyone remained alive, with injuries.
        On May 19, MI-8 made a hard landing in a training flight near Klin. All died. Farewell. Rest in peace ...
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 20 May 2020 12: 01 New
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        Quote: READY FOR BREAKTHROUGH
        Do you even know how many such Mi-8s crashed like on your avatar?

        Have you ever looked at what year the MI-8 was operated at all, dear? By the way, even knowledgeable people around the world recognize that MI-8 is one of the most reliable helicopters in the world.
        1. BREAKTHROUGH READY
          BREAKTHROUGH READY 20 May 2020 12: 26 New
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          even knowledgeable people around the world recognize that MI-8 is one of the most reliable helicopters in the world.
          Yes, I have no doubt that only more than 700 stealth fighters have already been produced in total and have not been noticed in super-emergency, and some "raptors" are already more than 20 years old.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 20 May 2020 12: 32 New
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            Quote: READY FOR BREAKTHROUGH
            only stealth fighters have already produced a total of more than 700 pieces and have not been noticed in extreme accidents,

            And all 700 pieces have direct flight intensity? Of these 700, in the best case, a hundred hours are less or less high.
            The F-35 was already born with diseases that needed to be fixed at the design stage. Now, when he went into the series, these diseases cannot be cured by any modernization.
            Quote: READY FOR BREAKTHROUGH
            and some "raptors" are more than 20 years old.

            Any equipment that has been used for a long time develops its resource. Even standing in the hangar. And for some reason I’m sure that in the next 5-10 years, the dinosaurs will begin to be massively removed from service.
            1. BREAKTHROUGH READY
              BREAKTHROUGH READY 20 May 2020 12: 44 New
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              And all 700 pieces have direct flight intensity?
              We can’t authentically know, but the generals say that mattresses are high, and according to all kinds of exercises and exhibitions, planes wind up regularly.
              F-35 was already born with diseases that had to be fixed at the stage of designers.
              What is his "constructive flaw"?)))
              Any equipment that is used for a long time, develops its resource
              That's for sure, but together with the "raptor", a "penguin" also fell at the same airbase, which has order with its resources. I don't believe in coincidences.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 20 May 2020 12: 52 New
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                Quote: READY FOR BREAKTHROUGH
                What is his "constructive flaw"?)))

                How many mattresses did the F-35 themselves voiced there? In my opinion, more than 900 pieces (correct, if I'm mistaken)? A finished and modified car with such baggage of hemorrhoids a priori has structural problems. Which we observe systematically. With these restrictions on the altitude of flights, it also says that it seems that this machine is in the army, but like that crocodile, it flies, the current is low.
                For example, our SU-57, even at the pre-production stage, DOES NOT have restrictions on the heights and speeds and angles of attack specified in the task. And they drive these SU-57s both in the tail and mane, not in the example of the F-35. However, only one car is lost.
                1. Octopus
                  Octopus 20 May 2020 15: 56 New
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                  Quote: NEXUS
                  In my opinion, more than 900 pieces (correct if I am mistaken)?

                  In my opinion a few thousand.
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  How many mattresses of different problems have the F-35 voiced there?

                  There are many different commissions in the US and they all write reports.
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  At the same time, altitude restrictions

                  How interesting. And they have a very limited flight altitude?
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  DOES NOT HAVE restrictions on heights and in the set speeds and angles of attack.

                  As if the testers will tell you what his limitations are there.
  7. Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 20 May 2020 11: 33 New
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    understand what is happening with the 5th generation fighter USA

    I didn’t understand - but where in the article is the essence called in the title revealed? Remotely reminiscent of accident investigation manual, very distantly, rather a chronological account of events, no more.
    I agree with a colleague
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Let's start flying just as intensely ... and look at the accident rate ....
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 20 May 2020 12: 05 New
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      Quote: Pete Mitchell
      Let's start flying just as intensely ... and look at the accident rate ....

      Well, let's fight more often and there will be intensity for you. fellow In Syria, our pilots fly quite intensively, especially in the first months, when our VKS began working there in 15, and something our machines didn’t really crash.
      Or maybe it’s not a raid, but the fact that the F-35 machine itself is far from perfect and serial production in fact? But this device was launched into the series, and this is a miracle of the American aircraft industry now in the army. At the same time, new hemorrhoids are constantly voiced, which jumps up in this machine.
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 20 May 2020 12: 12 New
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        You know, your idea is understandable and it is difficult to disagree with it. Americans always maintain high rates of attack on both equipment and pilots.
        F-35 can not be considered only as an airplane - all in one boiler: politics, money, the desire to get cheaper and get a little more expensive. Shove not shove - hence the smut from this unit. Finish, definitely finish ...
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 20 May 2020 12: 17 New
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          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          Finish, definitely finish ...

          I don’t think ... F-35 problems are at the design stage, that is, at the design level. And you can’t fix this problem with a new upgrade. Roughly speaking, F-35 CONGENITAL DISEASES are not subject to effective and complete cure.
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 20 May 2020 12: 26 New
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            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            Shove not shove - hence the smut from this unit ...

            Quote: NEXUS
            you can’t fix the problem with a new upgrade ..

            Well, here the role of politics begins - they will convince, they will also interpret, and they will make pleasure portray. We will not worry
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  8. Maximilian37
    Maximilian37 20 May 2020 11: 34 New
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    Everyone falls, everyone breaks or survives. No conspiracy theories, many thousands of pilots, many thousands of cars. Etc.
  9. Carnifexx
    Carnifexx 20 May 2020 11: 35 New
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    F-35 and F-16 will fight the most in military aviation - after all, they will be made (and the 16th has already been done) in huge numbers, the rest is human imperfection (pilot, service, production marriage) and banal statistics.
    P.S., The geometry of the fifth generation is like that of a sledgehammer, so they are damn unstable, such is the price for a radical decrease in visibility.
  10. iouris
    iouris 20 May 2020 11: 38 New
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    Oh, sorry that the enemies do not read these publications!
  11. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 20 May 2020 12: 02 New
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    > in the program for the creation of which the United States has invested hundreds of billions of dollars.

    With all due respect, m. all the same, millions?
    1. figwam
      figwam 20 May 2020 12: 37 New
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      Quote: Victor Tsenin
      all the same, millions?

      60 billion for development and about 400 billion for production.
  12. smaug78
    smaug78 20 May 2020 12: 46 New
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    Topwar is growing: there used to be a delusional Samsonov, now Polonsky was raised. "Onoliteg" is below the plinth, but on any issue: tanks, aircraft, air defense, the psychology of I. V. Stalin, and everywhere is nonsense ...
  13. +5
    +5 20 May 2020 15: 09 New
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    Who flies - he crashes .... the question is in the reasons and whether they are systematic ... the F-22 commander strangled pilots for years.
  14. NF68
    NF68 20 May 2020 16: 34 New
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    Accidents happened and will continue to happen with aircraft of any generation. Only planes that do not fly into the air will not fall to the ground.
  15. Shahno
    Shahno 20 May 2020 16: 41 New
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    Quote: NF68
    Accidents happened and will continue to happen with aircraft of any generation. Only planes that do not fly into the air will not fall to the ground.

    The more complex the hardware and software of the new generation, the more often these accidents will be .... We can only reduce them. And I do not think that propaganda will solve these issues.
    Ps. By the way, what about Su 57? Not falling? It can produce more than experimental products, and then engage in propaganda ...
  16. Dmitry Izyurov
    Dmitry Izyurov 20 May 2020 17: 41 New
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    More than 240 hours? Is it that they have been flying non-stop for 000 years?
    240 / 000 = 24 days
    10 / 000 = 365 years
    And, as I know, the F-35 first entered the U.S. Air Force only in 2012. Yes, even if we consider their production since 2006, it will not be 27 years old. How did they fly so much?
    1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
      Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 20 May 2020 22: 39 New
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      Eh, you would be framed.
  17. 123456789
    123456789 20 May 2020 21: 15 New
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    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    I didn’t understand - but where in the article is the essence called in the title revealed?

    Aerials are heavier than air because they are heavier than air
  18. Alien From
    Alien From 21 May 2020 02: 47 New
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    Where the world is heading ....... ????? fight with such aircraft, no, even mattress money is not enough .........
  19. k_ply
    k_ply 21 May 2020 08: 46 New
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    Heh! With my style of driving for the first time on a "Ferrari" or on an F1, I will get hurt too, and no matter how much it has been run over, whether it has been flown. At one time, I remember that Americans had 250 annual flight hours
  20. ermak124.0
    ermak124.0 22 May 2020 14: 13 New
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    Fall, then fly. Recall Tu22, Su24, etc.
  21. Archon
    Archon 24 May 2020 07: 58 New
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    Despite other characteristics, Ф22 seems to be a very beautiful airplane. and fall - there are different cases
  22. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 26 May 2020 09: 40 New
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    as is the case with the Japanese major Hosomi

    Well, yes - write off the loss of orientation, it is actually admitting that the navigation system did not work, the gyrocompass did not function, nor did the communication, since the dispatcher could give directions for returning to the base.