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Ukraine wants to catch up with Russia in the creation of MLRS

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Test launches "Typhoon-1"


Currently, Ukraine mainly uses weapons samples inherited from the Soviet Union. Multiple launch rocket systems are no exception. The most common MLRS in the Ukrainian army is Grad. Without modernization, such a MLRS no longer meets the requirements of the XNUMXst century. It is for this reason that Ukrainian designers are working on the development of multiple launch rocket systems: both the creation of new and the modernization of existing models.

Many experts, including Ukrainian, agree that in the field of rocket artillery Ukraine is at least 20 years behind modern Russian multiple launch rocket systems, which are supplied to the Russian armed forces. First of all, this concerns the ammunition itself, in which, due to a change in rocket fuel, it was possible to significantly increase the range of destruction of targets. For example, the new ammunition of the Tornado-G MLRS is capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 40 kilometers, which is 20 kilometers longer than the range of the shells of the conventional Grad complex. Currently, Ukraine is moving in the same way. The new Ukrainian program of modernization of multiple launch rocket systems is also named after the destructive atmospheric phenomenon and is known under the signature stamp "Typhoon".

Typhoon-1 missiles tested at maximum range


On April 29, 2020, the roar of rockets at the Alibey Defense Ministry training ground located in the Odessa region marked a new stage in the testing of promising 122 mm Typhoon-1 caliber Ukrainian rockets designed for use with Grad MLRS, and also Ukrainian counterparts "Berest" and "Willow". The development of a new Typhoon-1 missile is carried out by the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau named after MK K. Yangel (Dnepropetrovsk).


Test launches "Typhoon-1"

According to the official website of the enterprise, the launch of new rockets was carried out by the combat crew of the firing range using a standard combat vehicle BM-21 of the Grad complex. At the same time, the technical management of the launches of new shells was carried out by the specialists of the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau. It is reported that the test launches of rockets "Typhoon-1" were successful. It is noteworthy that earlier in Ukraine there was no production of rockets for the BM-21 Grad.

According to the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, for the first time for such tests a ground-based complex of its own production was involved. The land mobile measuring station was used to obtain all the necessary telemetry information from the board of rockets during a flight in real time. It is reported that the test phase at the end of April 2020 at the Alibey training ground is the second for Typhoon-1 missiles. The first stage of the tests took place in November 2019 at a combined-range training ground located in the Dnipropetrovsk region. Last year, rockets were tested for the minimum flight range, in April 2020 - for the maximum.

It is known that the 122-mm Typhoon-1 missiles are a variant of the modernization of the classic BM-21 Grad ammunition. Similar work is carried out in many countries operating these volley fire systems. The new Ukrainian ammunition has a minimum flight range of 5 km and a maximum of 40 km. The mass of the high-explosive fragmentation warhead of the ammunition is 18,4 kg. In addition to the Typhoon-1 missile launcher, designers from the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau are also working on creating a guided ammunition of the same Typhoon-1M caliber, which can significantly expand the capabilities of Grad and its analogues.


Test launches "Typhoon-1"

It is known that, in addition to specialists from the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau named after Yangel, a whole pool of Ukrainian representatives of the defense industry worked on the creation of a new Typhoon-1 missile. In particular, Southern Machine-Building Plant, NPO Pavlogradsky Chemical Plant and Pavlogradsky Mechanical Plant, NPK Fotopribor, State Scientific Research Institute of Chemical Products and several other Ukrainian enterprises have already been involved in work on the new ammunition.

Family MLRS "Typhoon"


The development of new Ukrainian rocket artillery ammunition has been known for several years. For the first time, CB Yuzhnoye presented its plans back in 2015 as part of the exhibitionWeapon and security 2015. " Then the company's specialists from Dnepropetrovsk presented a stand with options for upgrading the three main MLRS, which are in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine: Grad, Hurricane and Smerch. The company also announced the start of work on the creation of new promising MLRS models.

Currently, it is known that the specialists of Yuzhnoye Design Bureau are working on several basic options for reactive systems and their ammunition:

"Typhoon-1" - a project to modernize the BM-21 Grad. The main difference will be an increase in the firing range of the complex to 40 kilometers instead of 20 kilometers in the Soviet RZSO.

"Typhoon-2" - a project to modernize the BM-27 "Hurricane". It is known that the firing range of 220 mm rockets will also be increased. The exact values ​​are unknown, but judging by the presentations, it is planned to bring the firing range to 72 kilometers.

"Typhoon-3" - a modernization project 9A52 "Tornado." The least known about this project so far. Perhaps it has been completely canceled due to the implementation of a similar project of the Ukrainian MLRS Alder, which is also being created on the basis of Smerch by the designers of the GKKB Luch.

Typhoon-4 is the most promising project at the moment. It is not a direct modernization of Soviet models, but a new development of engineers at the Yuzhne design bureau. The declared firing range is up to 280 km. In fact, this development is approaching operational-tactical missile systems.


Test launches "Typhoon-1"

The main difference between the MLRS "Typhoon-4" is the launch of ammunition from transport and launch containers. Apparently, the caliber of the system will be increased to 400 mm. Indirectly, this can be judged by the renders and presentations already published on the Internet, as well as the work of specialists of the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau on solid propellant rocket engines for shells in caliber up to 400 mm. Another confirmation of the theory of increasing the caliber of ammunition is the declared firing range of 280 km. The basis for the new complex should be the wheeled chassis developed by the HCMB, which Ukrainians plan to use in the Grom-2 OTRK. The package deployment of missiles in the TPK is provided, similar to the modern Chinese MLRS or the Belarusian Polonaise complex.

The prospect of Ukrainian MLRS


First of all, the new Ukrainian MLRS of the Typhoon family are developed for internal use, but can also be exported. On the global arms market, they will compete with Russian MLRS and even Soviet equipment, attracting primarily buyers from developing countries. The fact that the project will ultimately be implemented is beyond doubt, it is only a matter of time. Perhaps it will not be possible to realize all of the planned, and the characteristics of missiles and systems will be adjusted, but the path to reducing the backlog from Russia in the development of MLRS will be maintained.

Ukraine inherited from the Soviet Union a developed defense industry and a good research and production base. At the same time, the developer of the Typhoon MLRS is Yangel Design Bureau Yuzhnoye, a large enterprise specializing in the development of rocket and space technology. Obviously, the enterprise has the personnel, and most importantly, the necessary theoretical and practical experience in the field of creating individual elements of rockets. It is known that the company is currently working on the creation of new solid-fuel engines for rockets with a caliber from 122 to 400 mm. For this purpose, Yuzhnoye Design Bureau has all the necessary technologies, as well as technologies for creating shells for rockets and missiles by the method of rotational rolling.


Variants of rockets from Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, photo: zloy-odessit.livejournal.com

Together, all this creates the prerequisites for real modernization and the creation of new models of already Ukrainian MLRS. At the same time, the main problem of Ukraine is not the lack of production sites and highly qualified specialists, but the chronic underfunding and low serialization of manufactured weapons and military equipment. In some cases, a great dependence on foreign components also remains, which increases the final cost of products. Another problem is that the Armed Forces, due to existing financial constraints, are not able to purchase military products and modern ammunition in large quantities. It is unlikely that the coronavirus pandemic and the global economic crisis will improve the financial and economic situation of Ukraine and its armed forces. In these conditions, the new Typhoon MLRS can remain single exhibition specimens for some time.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 May 2020 05: 01 New
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    In these conditions, the new Typhoon MLRS can remain single exhibition specimens for some time.
    On the contrary, it will be possible to close the gap with us. repeat
    1. kind
      kind 21 May 2020 17: 28 New
      0
      How can you narrow the gap?
      I will say this: Even having all the technologies and equipment for the production of PC cases, it is necessary to have a new high-pulse fuel for solid propellant rocket engines, and in fact the solid propellant engine itself must be different. Next, you need to conduct numerous experimental firing and make corrections for the shooting tables. In short, all this is not easy. Now about the main thing. The greater the firing range, the greater the dispersion of the RS. You can avoid it, but it's a whole science!
    2. Itzik I
      Itzik I 16 August 2020 09: 17 New
      0
      It won't work, there is no money
  2. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 21 May 2020 05: 15 New
    -2
    Ukraine wants to catch up with Russia in the creation of MLRS

    What is the purpose? Are you going to squeeze Russia out of the markets or fight?
    1. svp67
      svp67 21 May 2020 05: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: ROSS 42
      What is the purpose? Are you going to squeeze Russia out of the markets or fight?

      In the future, both that and another ...
      1. +5
        +5 21 May 2020 12: 36 New
        +3
        Immediately after the return of the Crimea and reunification with the Cossack Kuban, I think this will happen .... Here the planons will fly to Moscow from the PIU-PIU lasers, tady and panovat .... although the production of tens of thousands of missiles will self-expand from this is not clear .. factory will probably give.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 21 May 2020 11: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Squeeze Russia out of the markets

      laughing
      There is no Russia in this market.
      There are Chinese. And Ukrainians are unable to fight them.
      Plus Eastern European manufacturers and Turkey
      Russia is now in the field of MLRS unless TOS sells well.

      Quote: ROSS 42
      or are you going to fight?

      Also a good question. Apparently, a toad is gnawing someone because of the purchase of 122-mm RS in eastern Europe ....
      So they are trying to take the denyuzhka from all sorts of Bulgarians

      As a result, if they burn out, the APU will receive more expensive and lower quality PCs. They already have experience with "domestic mortars" laughing
    3. NF68
      NF68 21 May 2020 16: 26 New
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Ukraine wants to catch up with Russia in the creation of MLRS

      What is the purpose? Are you going to squeeze Russia out of the markets or fight?


      The goal is to tear your throat. Yes, try to beg something for the West under this business.
  3. Incompetent
    Incompetent 21 May 2020 05: 53 New
    -3
    But what about country 404? With the support of the United States, you can be a thorn in Russia as much as you like ... I wonder what they get in service with LDNR? It was necessary to stand up for Yanyk in 2014 so that all of Ukraine would be under the influence of Russia, and not just Crimea and the entire military-industrial complex would work against NATO, and not against us! Very far-sighted steps! It’s as if in the USA a specialist. they gave us Crimea in order to increase pressure and finally finish off the main fragment of the USSR, and with such power as it is now that people are already howling, it’s not difficult to make another restructuring in the future
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 21 May 2020 10: 06 New
      +3
      Not noah, no one gave anything away, and Crimea itself decided where to be.

      And don’t have to hide behind people, something dissatisfied, say.

      And if you want to conquer Ukraine, you can go to the Donbass as a volunteer.
      1. Incompetent
        Incompetent 21 May 2020 14: 35 New
        -4
        Crimea itself decided where it should be

        Oh, you yourself decided! Odessa, too, itself decided only in contrast to the Crimea did not wait for specials. naza.
        And don’t have to hide behind people, something dissatisfied, say.

        I didn’t understand what was there to hide behind someone .. but he was dissatisfied with Putin’s policies and he seems to be taking the right steps, but it hurts slowly, half measures and as if with an eye on the interests of the oligarchs like his sidekick, the hero of labor Rotenberg
        you can go to Donbass as a volunteer

        Why am I like critin? Putin could solve the problem of Donbass and the whole Ukraine for a long time, but he didn’t do it, and I have to climb under the bullets for the idea that died from the USSR?
  4. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 21 May 2020 06: 06 New
    +8
    There are interesting trends ... For example, the adjustable 122-mm "eres". Something I have not heard that in Russia they were engaged in high-precision ammunition in this caliber for MLRS! And "over the hill" - are engaged! If my memory serves me, then in the same "notorious" Turkey they realized the adjustable 122-mm "eres" ... There is also an "international" tendency to increase the calibers in MLRS ... In Italy - 380 mm ...; in China - 370 mm (and, even, this is not the limit ...); In Serbia - 400 mm ("Zherina-1")! Therefore, the Ukrainian "zhu-zhu-zhu" about 400 mm - maybe, and not casual! Serbian "zerines" of 400 mm and a range of 285 km .... By the way, I have said more than once that the "real" MLRS "Tornado" of the Russian Armed Forces will receive in case of further improvement of the MLRS "Uragan-1M"! At present, this is a "bicaliber" system (220mm and 300mm ...) ... if we supplement the MLRS with 122 mm and 400 mm calibers, we will get a "full-fledged" multicaliber MLRS "Tornado"! And about the "current" "Tornado-G" and "Tornado S" I said and say that these are, in fact, modernized "Grad" and "Smerch" ("Grad-M" and "Smerch-M" ...) !
    1. KCA
      KCA 21 May 2020 06: 46 New
      -1
      The problem of increasing the caliber of shells MLRS successfully solved during WWII
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 21 May 2020 06: 56 New
        +1
        Well, it turns out in a specific case, according to the saying ...: "Fedot, but not that one ..."!
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 21 May 2020 07: 06 New
      +6
      Good morning, Nikolaevich. Thanks for the comment, no less interesting than the article. But personally, I will wait for the reaction of those who three years ago wrote something like: "They will not succeed ... They've stolen everything ... All the specialists left for Poland for strawberries ..." Well, you remember ... ...
      1. knn54
        knn54 21 May 2020 08: 15 New
        0
        There are enough "brains". There are also private offices.
        Here are just "no money, but you hold on."
        And if they do appear, they will buy them abroad. Moreover, the deals are classified as "Secret".
        And in your pocket "gratitude". And no headache for the timing of development, testing, implementation.
        Well, single copies are needed to show - "Not yet dead ... defense industry."
        And to account for the expense (taking into account personal) budget funds.
        If for a simple "cash".
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 21 May 2020 11: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        But personally, I will wait for the reaction of those who three years ago wrote something like: "They will not succeed ... They've stolen everything ... All the specialists left for Poland for strawberries ..." Well, you remember ... ...

        And what, are the new RS already in the army, and are the first dead Ukrainian artillerymen?
        So far, only one real achievement. "Hammer"
      3. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 21 May 2020 12: 24 New
        +3
        Duc, I remember a lot of things ...! And I don’t remember even more ... I forgot ... or maybe I didn’t know at all, but I think I knew, but I forgot ...! Generally... fool But by and large ... Ukrainians can be compared to sappers! Business, nevertheless, is being done ... "on the sly", little by little, not everything ... but, nevertheless, a lot has been done over the years ... I would not want to talk about the military measures of Ukraine in a derogatory sense! How would not backfire!
      4. +5
        +5 21 May 2020 12: 39 New
        0
        And what happened to them, except "nothing"? Poke into a specific paragraph of the article ...
        under the Ukrainian paramogoy should this be considered chtol?
        marked a new stage in the testing of promising Ukrainian rockets of the caliber 122 mm "Typhoon-1"
    3. D16
      D16 21 May 2020 09: 31 New
      +1
      Ukrainians are pulling in those areas where, without global investment, they can relatively quickly get and show the public the result, rather than those that are really needed for a long game. Without air defense, missile defense and aviation, only suicide will be at war with Russia. And against LDNR, these things in homeopathic doses will never help, just as Point U did not help. So all these gestures are intended only for voters, since it is unlikely that the Arabs can sell these MLRSs. They are being hired by much more serious uncles. laughing
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 21 May 2020 11: 39 New
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        Do you have data on the losses caused by "dots"? Share.
        1. D16
          D16 21 May 2020 11: 47 New
          -1
          I read, however, a long article for a long time - research on each launch. I won't find it now. One or two launches were effective, as a result of which the LPNR equipment was destroyed. Several trucks, a minibus and several BMPs. The rest is where God will send or the "unknown" Shells have worked. Only not the Y-point, but the Points. Ukrov did not seem to have "u". Wrong.
        2. D16
          D16 21 May 2020 12: 19 New
          +1
          https://lostarmour.info/articles/tochki-nad-u/
          Found.
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 21 May 2020 12: 54 New
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            Thanks. I read it. But you probably noticed that almost half of the results are recorded as "unknown" and n / a.
            So, the issue is debatable. LC / DNI, in general, do not advertise their losses ...
            1. D16
              D16 23 May 2020 09: 15 New
              0
              At the expense of almost half, you got a little excited. If in a couple of cases Tochka's submunitions covered the positions of the DPR artillery, this is honestly written about this, although it is not a fact that at that moment the battery was in these positions. The case when the parking lot of the DNR equipment was covered was also covered. These launches were considered successful. And if: "We hit the landing, at whom they shot, but who can take them apart laughing ", it’s not hard to guess. The effectiveness of the launches on Saur-Mogila is not clear. Everything is plowed up by artillery and it’s impossible to understand where it came.
              1. The leader of the Redskins
                The leader of the Redskins 23 May 2020 09: 59 New
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                Just a year after these attacks, an article flashed in Ukrainian about two really successful attacks. The gunner was, if I am not mistaken, a scout coming out of his surroundings and discovering a convoy of equipment. Having contacted the command, he transmitted the coordinates.
                Confirmation of success was posted in the public forum of the St. Petersburg forum, in which they were interested in why the convoy of ambulances swept from the airfield to the center. Hospital.
                But you know, this is all the Internet ...
      2. chingachguc
        chingachguc 22 May 2020 23: 15 New
        +1
        Ukraine still had some elements of the military-industrial complex. Obviously, for a corporation that launched rockets into space, creating a new missile is a feasible task.
    4. Lopatov
      Lopatov 21 May 2020 11: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Something I did not hear that in Russia they were engaged in high-precision ammunition in this caliber for the MLRS!

      "The threat".
      "Ametech" offered its installation on many types of ammunition, from C-5 to "Uraganov"


      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      If my memory serves me, then in the same "notorious" Turkey they realized the adjustable 122-mm "eres"

      There are 50 meters of airborne navigation. This is not a precision munition, it is a means of reducing dispersion.



      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      There is also an "international" trend towards an increase in calibers in MLRS

      ??
      Only the Chinese indulge in this. Surprise for Taiwan.
      Americans "average" LRPF to be midway between ATACMS and later GMLRS
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 22 May 2020 00: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        "The threat".
        "Ametech" offered its installation on many types of ammunition, from C-5 to "Uraganov"

        Firstly ... "Fedot, but not that one!" "Threat" is a complex of aviation missile weapons for "calibers" 57mm, 80mm, 122mm! Secondly, this complex can be called "high-precision" with a certain "stretch ... (or, with a certain convention!). For this is ammunition corrected within the permissible (!) Miss ... (In" popular "discussions, how- then "imperceptibly" blurred the line between the concepts of high-precision weapons and corrected in certain values ​​(limits)! ... For MLRS it is advisable to create ammunition with GPS-correction (!) ... except perhaps with the equipment of some types of ammunition seeker for the last leg of the flight path ... Ammunition of the "Threat" complex - with a semi-active laser seeker!
        Quote: Spade
        the notorious "Turkey realized the adjustable 122-mm" eres "

        There are 50 meters of airborne navigation. This is not a precision munition, it is a means of reducing dispersion.

        Perhaps ... I did not pay special attention to Turkish ammunition, therefore I will not argue, but in Russia even this is not present at the present time ... It is recalled that "some other" countries were also engaged in corrected "Gradov" eras or thought about it. .. (possibly (!), Israel belongs to them ...) The issue of increasing the accuracy of the "Gradov" ammunition arose in connection with the creation of 122-mm erets with a range of up to 40 km, which is 2 times higher than the range of "traditional" shells .. ...
        Quote: Spade
        Only the Chinese indulge in this. Surprise for Taiwan

        Not only the Chinese ... In Serbia, ammunition "Gerina-1" with a "caliber" of 400 mm and a range of 285 km has been developed for the new MLRS Serbs hope that this will be an "international" demand! The Americans have included ATASMS tactical missiles with a diameter of 610 in their MLRS ammunition mm ... (in my opinion, they somehow discussed a "thinner" version, about 400 mm, but he was not allowed to move ...) I do not mention the North Korean "sensation"!
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 22 May 2020 07: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Firstly ... "Fedot, but not that one!" "Threat" is a complex of aviation missile weapons for "calibers" 57mm, 80mm, 122mm!

          The "threat" could be installed not only on aviation NURS, but also on artillery shells, mines and RS. Initially a universal complex with a relatively cheap impulse correction at the end of the trajectory


          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Secondly, this complex can be called "high-precision" with a certain "stretch ... (or, with a certain convention!). For this is ammunition corrected within the permissible (!) Miss ..."

          This is a full precision munition. Since it provides defeat to a point target with a probability of more than 0.5

          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          The issue of increasing the accuracy of the "Gradov" ammunition arose in connection with the creation of 122-mm eres with a range of up to 40 km, which is 2 times higher than the range of "traditional" shells ...

          As far as I have heard, the same principle of correction for OUT is applied there as in Tornadoes.

          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          The Americans in the ammunition of their MLRS included tactical ATACMS missiles with a diameter of 610 mm

          Then they switched to GMLRS in their "native caliber" and now they are sawing LRPF

          who will occupy an intermediate position
  5. codetalker
    codetalker 21 May 2020 06: 25 New
    +5
    The fact that the project will ultimately be implemented is beyond doubt, it is only a matter of time.

    What other doubts are ...
    Agrarian superpowers can only do this in single quantities. The industrial base and research potential of the USSR went to significant, but everything "went to scrap."
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 21 May 2020 06: 53 New
      -1
      "Shelezyaka's planet" - there are no minerals, there is no industry, there are no resources either, and there is no tension with "brains" .... but the ambition, as those gentlemen have.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 21 May 2020 09: 37 New
        -5
        You forgot the continuation- ,, populated by forelocks ,,
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 21 May 2020 09: 44 New
          +1
          The most annoying thing is that it is inhabited by all sorts of ... there are many of their own, relatives!
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 21 May 2020 09: 46 New
            -7
            I want to upset you .. ,, my, there- units. The rest are chubby.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 21 May 2020 09: 52 New
              +3
              Yes, they stayed, now there are only a few ... we tried, helped as best we could. But those who stayed are still sorry.
              1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                Andrei Nikolaevich 21 May 2020 14: 54 New
                +2
                Do not torment yourself. There, without our help, there were. Nothing. We survive. We lived like that for almost 30 years without these weathercocks and will still live.
  6. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 21 May 2020 07: 12 New
    +1
    Even if the systems are successful, they will not go into the series. The hosts will not allow it. No one wants to trust slaves with complicated equipment.
    1. +5
      +5 21 May 2020 12: 42 New
      -1
      What is complicated here? It's just about restoring / deploying the production of not-so-tricky ammunition for not-so-expensive systems.
  7. Karaul73
    Karaul73 21 May 2020 07: 46 New
    0
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Ukraine wants to catch up with Russia in the creation of MLRS

    What is the purpose? Are you going to squeeze Russia out of the markets or fight?

    Both the first and second. The same goals lie on the surface. Option B and C Zelensky in the Donbass.
  8. Fitter65
    Fitter65 21 May 2020 08: 32 New
    +2
    For example, the new ammunition of the MLRS Tornado-G is able to hit targets at a distance of up to 40 kilometers, which is 20 kilometers longer than the range of shells of the conventional Grad complex
    We look at the performance characteristics of the BM-21 "GRAD" at http://oruzhie.info/artilleriya/111-bm-21-grad
    Firing Range BM-21 Grad

    - minimum OFS: 4000 m, CAS: 2500 m, UAS: 1600 m
    - maximum OFS: 40 m, CAS: 000 m, UAS: 33 m

    I don’t understand how 40 km for MLRS "Tornado-G" are 20 km higher than 40 m = 000 km for the usual complex "Grad".
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 21 May 2020 09: 05 New
      0
      I also wanted to note that the next reversal of the Sumerians in the range of the RS somehow looks suspicious. They would also compare the range with the BM-13, or with the Konstantinov rocket.
  9. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 21 May 2020 08: 43 New
    0
    The Sumerians want ... Yeah, yeah. They generally want the whole world to owe and owe them. And so that the dumplings with sour cream themselves flew into the mouth.
  10. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 21 May 2020 09: 36 New
    -5
    It doesn’t matter what Ukraine wants. It is important that she ,, can ,,. And loud statements can be made by a scruffy country. There is no doubt about that.
  11. V.I.P.
    V.I.P. 21 May 2020 09: 36 New
    0
    After all, they want to develop and do it themselves. I thought they would just buy Polonaise from the Belarusians. It hits 200 km. Now they are doing it for 350 km (but I think the Chinese will simply sell their rocket to them with this range and that's it) ...
    1. +5
      +5 21 May 2020 12: 45 New
      +1
      Buy is money to pay. And then everything will end with more and more successful trials, the ceremonial start of production under combat hopak and eurotrucks .... which will be 50 missiles per year, and then guppy fish will forget about it, they will gash BRDS or fly to Mars ... drank dough on tests, PR, profit .... and dough will spend a little.
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  13. Hermit21
    Hermit21 21 May 2020 09: 45 New
    -2
    "Uranus" - "Neptune", "Tornado-G" - "Typhoon" ... Do Ukram like to take names similar to those in Russia?
  14. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 21 May 2020 10: 10 New
    +1
    Missiles are good, but expensive.

    Let's see how much they can do and how much time it will take.
    1. +5
      +5 21 May 2020 12: 47 New
      0
      What is expensive in 122-mm rockets? Although for a country collecting money via SMS for food to the military, any new weapons are expensive ....
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 21 May 2020 14: 17 New
        +2
        What is expensive in 122-mm rockets?


        Missiles, especially guided missiles, as well as factories that make them. All this costs money and produce and maintain.

        It is one thing to shoot Soviet reserves and still sell them left and right, and it is quite another to do all this first, and then use it.

        Have they made a lot of Strongholds, self-propelled guns "Bogdan" and other homemade products ?! Little. Let's see how the missiles work out.
        1. +5
          +5 21 May 2020 14: 20 New
          -2
          The fact that for zbrodny forces and mortars 122mm arr. 1943 and the expensive and mighty powerful military-industrial complex of Niasil them is one thing, but in general the 122nd missiles are pretty cheap ... there are a lot of them to do.
          Naturally, the serial production of niasilat ... it’s not a fact that the rocket itself is asilat, exploding mortars and armored personnel carriers Crack and BBM Shame is an example ... it’s also simple things.
        2. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 21 May 2020 19: 09 New
          +1
          Have they made a lot of Strongholds, self-propelled guns "Bogdan" and other homemade products ?!

          The Hammer mortar was forgotten.
      2. V.I.P.
        V.I.P. 21 May 2020 16: 07 New
        0
        Well, we are collecting children for treatment by SMS, so what?
        1. sgrabik
          sgrabik 22 May 2020 09: 58 New
          +1
          We don’t collect money for the maintenance of the army by SMS, do not confuse and do not substitute concepts, the conversation here is about something else, well, what does fund raising for children do via SMS !!!
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 23 May 2020 21: 01 New
            -1
            Good. During the war, collective farmers, actors and ordinary people built tanks and planes for money. Example? Or was there no money in the country of the Soviets for military purchases? They also have a war, also not expected, and also turned out to be unprepared.
  15. +5
    +5 21 May 2020 12: 32 New
    -1
    Catch up ???? So they kind of reported on a peer-mog, a hundred had already overtaken and overtaken ... an article slanderous about the UkrOboronprom industry!
  16. Shteffan
    Shteffan 21 May 2020 14: 36 New
    0
    Well, sho, who was jumping in 2015-17 and squealing that KB South Khan ... a funeral .... a funeral ??? here is the level of philistine analytics. To grind it with your tongue.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 23 May 2020 21: 03 New
      -1
      Isn't Vadik accidentally called? Not from the Yaroslavl region come from? There was such a friend in childhood ...
  17. Tochilka
    Tochilka 21 May 2020 17: 23 New
    0
    There have been two notes about the Pavlograd Chemical Plant since the beginning of the year: that there are still not disposed rocket stages there and that this year they will not have any orders from the military. How then do they participate in missile work?
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 21 May 2020 19: 10 New
      -2
      These unutilized steps they are in the MLRS and pop.
      1. Tochilka
        Tochilka 21 May 2020 19: 24 New
        +1
        ballistic missile stages?
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 21 May 2020 21: 04 New
          -1
          And they charge the solid propellant rocket from there with fret saws and sand it to 122 mm caliber
    2. Shteffan
      Shteffan 24 May 2020 09: 56 New
      0
      I personally watched as many commentators here, with any news about Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, epilepsy attacks of the type started: yes, all the khan, everyone drank, they all plundered, they won’t be able to, we don’t believe ... specifically yuzhmash.
  18. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 21 May 2020 19: 25 New
    -2
    You look at the "new ukrooruzhie" and think: is it really all created in a single copy?
    Everything new in Ukraine is long outdated Soviet, specialists fled, there is no money, what can they create?
    1. Shteffan
      Shteffan 24 May 2020 10: 00 New
      0
      Say no, it’s for you to control, but in Ukraine my country found almost 2020 lards forever green for 10.
  19. Uncle Izya
    Uncle Izya 22 May 2020 19: 10 New
    +1
    the designers from Yuzhnoye Design Bureau fell down, before strategic missiles were developed, but now they’re artisanal))
  20. ZaDedov
    ZaDedov 22 May 2020 21: 54 New
    0
    In Ukraine, there is everything for a quality modernization
  21. Observer2014
    Observer2014 23 May 2020 13: 49 New
    -5
    Ukraine wants to catch up with Russia in the creation of MLRS
    Any modern MLRS is an anachronism in its purest form. A waste of money. Means. And strength. Of course, they will begin to object and recall the gods of war. laughing And so on. Yes, I am in this matter as that Khrushchev bully
    Artillery (including MLRS) is needed only for internal conflicts. It was only there that it solved its tasks in full. No matter what strategic change this type of weapon plays in the modern world.
    But MLRS has a place to be in the modern army. Yes it does. Necessarily. But not strategically important. So let them fantasize about it at least until tomorrow. But just not to shoot in the Donbass am
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 24 May 2020 16: 51 New
      0
      The main thing is not to fall under this anachlonism.