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Green Energy in Europe: Transition Challenges

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The pandemic that erupted at the beginning of this year stood in the way of implementing the most, perhaps, the most ambitious plan of the European Union - the Green Pact for Europe. The intention, declared with great fanfare, “to make the continent climate neutral by 2050” initially required enormous expenses. However, in the current situation, the same, if not big, means will be needed to simply save the economy of the Old World, to prevent it from slipping into a recession, unprecedented in depth and volume. Is the “Green Question” off the agenda? Very similar to that.


Recall that the EU’s final course in global change, dictated by the desire to improve the environmental situation, became known at the beginning of December last year, when the European Green Deal (EGD), the European Green Deal, was approved and signed at the summit of its heads. What does the concept of climate (or carbon) neutrality really mean? The point is that the amount of industrial CO emissions2 should be reduced to zero. This in itself is very problematic ... However, the planned grandiose changes should affect not only the owners of the plants "poisoning the planet", but, without exaggeration, every resident of the European Union.

First of all, a "war" is declared to all "harmful" power plants that burn fossil fuels. The first “under the knife” will go TPPs operating on coal and fuel oil. Then, in all likelihood, the turn will come and gas. Europeans have been waging an irreconcilable struggle with nuclear power plants for quite some time, striving for a complete rejection of them. The emphasis will be on the so-called "renewable energy sources" - solar, wind, geothermal and the like. Also, to reduce electricity consumption, the whole of Europe will have to switch to the most energy-saving technologies both in industry and in everyday life. A special article is cars. European states are trying to abandon the use of cars with internal combustion engines as soon as possible, replacing them with electric vehicles everywhere.

All of these “huge plans” can be painted for a very long time, however, such a delicate point as the price of the issue is much more interesting here. It must be understood that such titanic transformations will inevitably and very painfully hit the economy and lifestyle of many regions of the Old World, and even whole countries. In the European Commission, whose new head, Ursula von der Leyen, is eager to enter the world history on the "green wave", they understand this perfectly. And therefore, JTM is also attached to the EGD - The Just Transition Mechanism, "Fair Transition Mechanism."

We are talking about investment tools of a pan-European level, which will be aimed at financial support for the “victims” of the “great green turning point” in regions and sectors of the economy. For these purposes, it was planned to mobilize at least 100 billion euros in the period 2021–2027, both by creating a special fund and special credit lines of the state, and by attracting private investment (about half the announced amount). In total, the initiators of the new environmental course spoke of the necessary 1 trillion euros of “green investments” necessary for its implementation.



All this was in the “pre-coronavirus” world that irretrievably left us, where global warming and other negative changes in nature were considered the biggest problem of mankind. As of right now, the financial needs and plans of the European Union look, frankly, somewhat different. The losses incurred by its economy, analysts evaluate as "space". Back in April, leaders of the Commonwealth countries approved a plan to save it at the cost of 540 billion euros, presented by the finance ministers, of which 100 billion will go exclusively to implement the SURE program aimed at supporting employment in the context of the crisis.

Just the day before, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron made a joint statement, according to which the EU will have to create a special fund for economic recovery. To fill it, it is planned to attract 500 billion euros of loans, which will be given over the whole 20 years. They will be sent to the countries most affected by the pandemic in the form of subsidies, not loans. Typically, Berlin had previously been categorically against such costly “rescue operations”, but life's realities, apparently, convinced the fisted Germans that it was better to spend money than to be in the ruins of the EU.

However, this is not all. As it became known, by May 27, the European Commission should submit a plan to save the economy, which will lie in the basis of the EU long-term budget for 2021-2027. Costs are estimated at 1-2 trillion euros. As you can see, Frau von der Leyen, as, incidentally, to all other European officials and state leaders, in the near future will somehow not be able to "green" his own continent, not to solve the issues of green energy. And if the consequences of the ecological “perestroika” are also superimposed on the consequences of the pandemic, the consequences will be catastrophic.

And what about Russia? To be honest, our country is completely unprofitable for Europe to abandon fossil fuels, primarily gas. Recall that as of last year, the share of deliveries from our country amounted to half of all imports of “blue fuel” carried out by the countries of the Old World, the share of Russian gas consumption in their energy needs was estimated at 35-37%. And the cessation of the operation of nuclear power plants in our country, which in 2018 accounted for at least 17% of the global nuclear fuel market and is the world leader in the construction of nuclear energy facilities abroad, is also completely useless. With electric cars, too, do not rush. At the end of 2018, in some EU countries, the share of domestic oil purchases ranged from about 40% (Germany, the Netherlands) to 80% or more (Finland). Now the numbers, of course, are different, but still significant.

Caring for the environment is, of course, a good thing. But not only when the world is bursting at the seams.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 20 May 2020 07: 24 New
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    Caring for the environment is, of course, a good thing. But not only when the world is bursting at the seams.

    For a given period of time, this will be fundamental.
    The frantic Gretta will have to step aside ... for now, at least.
    1. Civil
      Civil 20 May 2020 08: 02 New
      +8
      It is necessary to prohibit the gayropeans from closing the thermal power station and nuclear power plant. Gosuduma should introduce criminal liability for the transition to "green" energy. Then initiate criminal cases for Europe's refusal from fossil energy sources.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 May 2020 09: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        It is necessary to ban the geyropeytsam close

        This is not possible, this time.
        Second, the process of structural changes in the energy sector CANNOT BE STOPPED !!! It just lasts UP TO OLGO! We'll have time to earn some oil and burn gas "sea" !!!
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 20 May 2020 10: 01 New
          +7
          Quote: rocket757
          This is not possible, this time.
          Second, the process of structural changes in the energy sector CANNOT BE STOPPED !!! It just lasts UP TO OLGO! We'll have time to earn some oil and burn gas "sea" !!!

          Until there are breakthrough technologies in energy production, all the green hype, I think, is self-deception.

          The same electric cars do not make weather for the environment: for the production of energy, dirty fuel is still burned for them, but already ... at power plants. And what's the difference?

          And how much energy is needed for the production of batteries and their disposal. The same situation with windmills ...

          NPP, in my opinion, is the most, for today, green e / energy
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 20 May 2020 10: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Olgovich
            NPP, in my opinion, is the most, for today, green e / energy

            It seems like the most controlled, from an environmental point of view, energy! BUT, until then, until everything flies into tartarara, for one reason or another.
            Nothing is for nothing, just like that. BUT, energy is now the foundation of the power of any state !!! therefore, the conversion process will not stand still! And there will be games of politicians, deception and much more that can come out one way or another to all of us.
            like now? Greens, it is very expensive and never mind clean ... we do not have, so far, absolutely clean technology, it is a fact!
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 20 May 2020 10: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              It seems like the most controlled, from an environmental point of view, energy! BUT, until then, until everything flies into tartarara, for one reason or another.
              Nothing is for nothing, just like that.

              But, at the same time, according to statistics, it’s much more likely to die from a brick on his head.

              Do double, triple protection, etc. measures.
              And yes nothing happens
              Quote: rocket757
              Greens, it is very expensive and never mind clean ... for now, we do not have absolutely pure technologies, this is a fact!

              Exactly! yes
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 20 May 2020 10: 46 New
                +2
                Quote: Olgovich
                But, at the same time, according to statistics, it’s much more likely to die from a brick on his head.

                This is understandable ... but vigorous deeds, this is a horror story for more than one century .... until methods are devised for effective cleaning, restoring what is vigorous .... covered!
            2. Civil
              Civil 20 May 2020 11: 44 New
              +2
              Quote: rocket757
              Quote: Olgovich
              NPP, in my opinion, is the most, for today, green e / energy

              It seems like the most controlled, from an environmental point of view, energy! BUT, until then, until everything flies into tartarara, for one reason or another.
              Nothing is for nothing, just like that. BUT, energy is now the foundation of the power of any state !!! therefore, the conversion process will not stand still! And there will be games of politicians, deception and much more that can come out one way or another to all of us.
              like now? Greens, it is very expensive and never mind clean ... we do not have, so far, absolutely clean technology, it is a fact!

              Yeah, we know. Bullet fool-bayonet well done. While he starts his engine, I’ll drive to the outskirts of the outskirts.)
            3. Podvodnik
              Podvodnik 20 May 2020 17: 50 New
              +2
              Greens, it is very expensive and not a fig clean


              The worms even die from this "green" (ITSELF! Said HE would not lie).
              Why go fishing?
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 20 May 2020 11: 43 New
            0
            Quote: Olgovich
            Until there are breakthrough technologies in energy production, all the green hype, I think, is self-deception.

            Well, I don’t know what’s about self-deception, but for example Rostov’s windmills were launched just recently ...
            In Krasnosulinsky district of the Rostov region began the construction of wind farms. Installation of the first installation was completed on the site of the Sulinskaya wind farm on October 14.

            In the framework of the “Energy Kitchen-2019” event, representatives of federal and international companies presented their projects for the transition of the Don region to environmentally friendly renewable energy sources.

            For the production of electricity from air in the Don, the construction of two wind power stations continues: Kamenskaya and Sulinskaya, and documentation is being prepared for Gukovskaya. The total capacity of the three stations is 300 megawatts, which is enough to provide electricity to a city with a population of 30 thousand people.

            Well, the number of solar power plants on the territory of the Russian Federation is now 44 pieces, and another 27 are being built ...
            Volumes of energy produced by solar modules are growing regularly. Noticeable growth began in the second half of the zero.

            From 2001 to 2009, the figures increased from 1,3 to 23,2 GW.

            2010 - 40,3 GW.
            2011 - 70,5 GW.
            2012 —100 GW.
            2013 - 138,9 GW.
            2014 - 179 GW.
            2015 - 230 GW.
            2016 - 294,7 GW.
            2017 - 402,9 GW.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 20 May 2020 12: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: NEXUS
              Quote: Olgovich
              Until there are breakthrough technologies in energy production, all the green hype, I think, is self-deception.

              Well, I don’t know what’s about self-deception, but for example Rostov’s windmills were launched just recently ...
              In Krasnosulinsky district of the Rostov region began the construction of wind farms. Installation of the first installation was completed on the site of the Sulinskaya wind farm on October 14.

              In the framework of the “Energy Kitchen-2019” event, representatives of federal and international companies presented their projects for the transition of the Don region to environmentally friendly renewable energy sources.

              For the production of electricity from air in the Don, the construction of two wind power stations continues: Kamenskaya and Sulinskaya, and documentation is being prepared for Gukovskaya. The total capacity of the three stations is 300 megawatts, which is enough to provide electricity to a city with a population of 30 thousand people.

              Well, the number of solar power plants on the territory of the Russian Federation is now 44 pieces, and another 27 are being built ...
              Volumes of energy produced by solar modules are growing regularly. Noticeable growth began in the second half of the zero.

              From 2001 to 2009, the figures increased from 1,3 to 23,2 GW.

              2010 - 40,3 GW.
              2011 - 70,5 GW.
              2012 —100 GW.
              2013 - 138,9 GW.
              2014 - 179 GW.
              2015 - 230 GW.
              2016 - 294,7 GW.
              2017 - 402,9 GW.


              The windmill can at least, make and exploit on e / energy, which he is able to produce?

              Those. to mine, smel, transport (the same for its other components and infrastructure) and then also dispose of it?

              The same with solar panels and other green stuff?

              No.
          3. bar
            bar 20 May 2020 12: 03 New
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            Until there are breakthrough technologies in energy production, all the green hype, I think, is self-deception.


            Green sectarians will swoop in and fiercely minus. For them, there is no self-deception, they sacredly believe their guru leading them forward to the caves. And it doesn't matter that the real goal of these gurus is not environmental, but political - to break through to power. "I believe because it is absurd" (c)
        2. Malyuta
          Malyuta 20 May 2020 12: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          It just lasts UP TO OLGO! We'll have time to earn some oil and burn gas "sea" !!!

          I can argue with you! Energy, as well as new technoligies, will develop in incredible leaps. It is a pity that the Russian Federation will be making progress in the backyards, because someone chose a guarantor for us, from whom worms jump out of the ground from windmills.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 20 May 2020 13: 23 New
            +1
            It is pointless to argue. Even when one of the debaters was a professional power engineer, and the other ..... didn’t even hang around, because FAITH S!
            And about the races, there is no way to argue all sorts of different things either, for the same reasons, although the postulate that science does not stand still and technologies will develop, can never be doubted!
            We can manage to see and make sure who was right and who in the tail will lag.
            Professional assessment - for a long time, in the field of energy, nothing fundamentally new, outstanding, has appeared! Boom to wait ... but how long is the question ???
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 20 May 2020 17: 02 New
              -1
              Quote: rocket757
              It is pointless to argue. Even when one of the debaters was a professional power engineer, and the other ..... didn’t even hang around, because FAITH S!

              You want to say that the Chagin accident is your doing?
              Or do you want to say that Tesla's car does not pass 950 km at one "gas station"?
              I only tell you that the consumption of traditional energy will be reduced, not to mention hydrocarbon.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 20 May 2020 18: 33 New
                +1
                Quote: Malyuta
                Chagin accident is

                it is human GREED, the pursuit of PROFIT.
                Quote: Malyuta
                Tesla does not drive 950 km at one "gas station"?

                Do you know how much the Japanese drove in a 1 liter diesel? The same record for 1 gallon of gasoline? The numbers are fantastic, more than 3000km, but this is just a RECORD, so far it has no practical meaning.
                Quote: Malyuta
                traditional energy consumption will decrease

                You’ll try to understand what you wrote ...
                reducing the use of hydrocarbons to obtain TRADITIONAL ENERGY, it will be, but not right tomorrow .... rather, not very tomorrow.
                1. Malyuta
                  Malyuta 20 May 2020 18: 49 New
                  -1
                  Quote: rocket757
                  The numbers are fantastic, more than 3000km, but this is just a RECORD, so far it has no practical meaning.

                  In 1998, many also walked with pagers, although the "Benefon Delta" transmitted information much faster. or will you argue?
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 20 May 2020 19: 04 New
                    0
                    And sho I argue .... some of our directors were avid "collectors" of everything new in the field of communications.
                    Well, everything that appeared at that time was bought and tried, right down to satellite systems!
                    In our distant warehouse you can find EVERYTHING that once was! Up to mobile, in special and VERY expensive cases!
                    Here, ask those people, signalmen, whoever had seen the micro
                    a cellular system whose phones work in technical tunnels !!! Honey
                    So sho against PROGRESS, I just can’t be, just like .... In short, there is NO SUCH, very clean, cost-effective, very efficient, green technology.
                    This is the future without which humanity can ditch its place of residence.
      2. FIR FIR
        FIR FIR 20 May 2020 10: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        It is necessary to prohibit the gayropeans from closing the thermal power station and nuclear power plant. Gosuduma should introduce criminal liability for the transition to "green" energy. Then initiate criminal cases for Europe's refusal from fossil energy sources.

        And also for the words "green" and "eco" ..
      3. Malyuta
        Malyuta 20 May 2020 10: 39 New
        -1
        Quote: Civil
        It is necessary to prohibit the gayropeans from closing the thermal power station and nuclear power plant. Gosuduma should introduce criminal liability for the transition to "green" energy. Then initiate criminal cases for Europe's refusal from fossil energy sources.

        I am very sorry, but are you seriously writing this?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 10: 42 New
          +4
          Quote: Malyuta
          I am very sorry, but are you seriously writing this?

          Yes, Vadim constantly jokes.
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 20 May 2020 17: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Yes, Vadim constantly jokes.

            but what is he doing such a bastard, in a curious conversation. sad laughing
      4. Nikolai Korovin
        Nikolai Korovin 21 May 2020 17: 46 New
        0
        For the time being. So far, the weight of "green" energy in Russia will not exceed, say, 50%. Then the sanctions can be gradually weakened. Well, it's a joke after all. They themselves will crawl for oil and gas. And we need cheap solar panels and especially energy storage. While it is expensive, efficiency is low, capacity and charge retention are low. It is unlikely that it will be possible to transfer wind power and geothermal stations to self-sufficiency.

        But recently a very interesting direction has emerged - "evaporative" energy (EMF arises due to the temperature drop in the working chamber due to the evaporation and condensation of volatile substances under the influence of sunlight, while the working fluid, for example, methanol, condenses on a translucent cover (part area occupied by the electrode) with the release of heat, flows down and does not go anywhere). It is possible that the production of such elements will be technologically simpler and less expensive than solar energy or traditional thermoelectric elements - high-purity materials are not needed.

        Of course, all this will require a complete restructuring of the concept of energy, in particular, its disaggregation. But still, the decisions of the XIX Congress of the RCP (B.), In which the use of dissipated energy was branded as unpromising, and the natural resources of the USSR were declared inexhaustible, being relevant for the pre-war time and long post-war period, cannot be satisfied now. In the future, for 100 years there is no alternative to using the energy of the Sun. Nuclear power plants can be mothballed over time, and the structures can be used for some other purpose - it will be clear why, and the reservoirs of the hydroelectric power station will slowly be lowered, reducing the pressure and generation of electricity, but freeing up valuable floodplain lands.

        In the right places, for example, to ensure navigation along the Volga and the Dnieper, the pressure can be partially left, but nevertheless, serious measures can be taken so that sturgeon again appears on the workers' table, which 50 years ago was not yet as scarce as it is now ... Sturgeon is much tastier than hake, which is also on the verge of extinction! Well, and black caviar, of course, which is much healthier and more nutritious than red. Of course, the dam of the S-Sh HPP should be preserved in all its glory, as the pinnacle of engineering thought in this direction. But if the area of ​​the reservoir above it is 10-15 times smaller, no one will feel bad with the appropriate production of "green" energy; and how many beautiful taiga is flooded there! If someone cut down the forest before the flooding, it was symbolic. There are many coolies, no roads. So it is, as in the Rybinsk reservoir. I don’t know about cedar and larch (spruce is obviously hopeless), but the art of bog oak products may well resume. If the Rybinsk reservoir is lowered.

        And in Moscow, electric buses already travel, and their number is growing. Let them charge from the traditional network, but they probably already use non-traditional high-capacity batteries. This is a nice signal.
        1. seagull
          seagull 24 May 2020 21: 26 New
          +1
          Use reservoirs as storage facilities. In moments of "overproduction" of energy by wind farms - to pump water when there is a need to use hydropower.
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  3. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 20 May 2020 07: 40 New
    -2
    Looks, not everything is safe in the European ,, SSR-e,)
  4. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 07: 44 New
    0
    Russia's strategy is focused on oil and gas consumption, so green energy does not shine for us. Her sticks in the wheels will be inserted.
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 20 May 2020 08: 00 New
      +7
      Russia's strategy is not "sharpened for oil and gas consumption." That is, no such "sharpening" exists at all. There is no strategy. There are historical relationships: Russia produces, Europe buys.
      If there was enough oil in Germany or in France or elsewhere in Europe, as in Russia, then there would be no such Alternative Energy either, and it would not have bought oil.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 08: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Svetlana
        Russia's strategy is not "sharpened for oil and gas consumption." That is, no such "sharpening" exists at all. There is no strategy.

        Is.
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 20 May 2020 08: 15 New
          +1
          This document is not imprisonment of Russia for oil consumption, but a strategy for the development of the Russian energy industry. This is different.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 08: 43 New
            +2
            Quote: Svetlana
            This document is not imprisonment of Russia for oil consumption, but a strategy for the development of the Russian energy industry. This is different.

            And you would have taken, and would have read.
            The energy strategy of Russia for the period until 2030
            APPROVED

            Government Order

            Russian Federation

            dated November 13, 2009 No. 1715-r
        2. Nikolai Korovin
          Nikolai Korovin 21 May 2020 17: 47 New
          0
          This is a short term. Actual for a relatively short period of time.
    2. pytar
      pytar 20 May 2020 10: 26 New
      +3
      Russia's strategy is focused on oil and gas consumption, so green energy does not shine for us. Her sticks in the wheels will be inserted.

      Vladimir, you are probably right. hi The development of hydrocarbon-neutral technologies opens up new markets and opportunities! They are investing in them so actively that it is no longer possible to return to the old days! Moreover, there are all the prerequisites for breakthroughs! Development and availability of technology, "riot by nature", changes in public perception! The country who managed to achieve a technological breakthrough in this direction will have access to colossal sources of energy, from time to time it will become several times cheaper than what is being produced now!
      1. Motorist
        Motorist 20 May 2020 21: 27 New
        0
        from time to time it will become much cheaper


        "It's a pity - you won't have to live in this wonderful time - neither for me, nor for you." (c)

        Household in Germany with a consumption of 150 kW * h / month. pays 35 euro kopecks / kWh. For gas (at 600 m³ / year) - 1 euro per cubic meter.
  5. antivirus
    antivirus 20 May 2020 07: 46 New
    +3
    everything is not clear - if they have already chosen the pillar way of development of the EU, they will fulfill it and pass it.
    The profit and loss plan will be implemented even if it is a parallelepiped.
    The necessary lured politicians will not allow throwings, and profit? - in advance to certain strategists, bankers will do it; 20 years ahead to paint your income - here the EU State Planning Commission works well
    1. Nikolai Korovin
      Nikolai Korovin 21 May 2020 17: 49 New
      -1
      But for now, they, of course, have stalled, which gives us a chance, if not to eliminate, then to narrow the gap in the field of green energy.
  6. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 20 May 2020 07: 52 New
    +1
    Caring for the environment is, of course, a good thing. But not only when the world is bursting at the seams.
    And then how to beat!
    For example, the same "green" ones can easily provide the thesis from the category as an argument:
    "Healthy people in a healthy country."
    But it is healthy people with strong immunity who survived the pandemic.
    I just invented this slogan on the go, but I think all sorts of Greta will still come up with something. But what about healthy residents if the pipe smokes near by?
    1. bar
      bar 20 May 2020 11: 56 New
      -2
      "And then how to beat!
      For example, the same "green" can easily provide as an argument ... "

      Here, no matter how you beat, but green stupidly needs loot, which is no longer there. sad
    2. Nikolai Korovin
      Nikolai Korovin 21 May 2020 17: 50 New
      0
      "If you are frail, go straight to the coffin. Save your health so that, people, apply rubdown."
  7. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 20 May 2020 08: 32 New
    +6
    No, there are different Greta biases of the system, but not plans for green, violet, orange and other energy problems, but different greedy energy lobbyists and sovereign oligarchs.

    Otherwise, coronavirus drama only accelerates the transition to green energy. And the green energy has already fallen in price so much that it is equal to normal. And thanks to the Chinese comrades who have so fallen in price photosolar cells and other equipment, that it is no longer a problem to put everywhere and in large mashabs.

    Regarding electric cars - the EU is also separating tremendous money and it has been a matter of several years. The other day I read an interview with CEO Royal Duch Shell, who remains a pessimist on oil price recovery and for this (but not only) reason. Nothing, wait and see ...
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 20 May 2020 09: 31 New
      0
      Why are you writing so strangely?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 09: 34 New
        +5
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Why are you writing so strangely?

        Because Kaiser Soza is a Bulgarian.
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 20 May 2020 09: 35 New
          0
          Thanks for clarifying.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 09: 35 New
            +4
            Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
            Thanks for clarifying.

            Yes, not at all. hi
        2. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 20 May 2020 14: 07 New
          +3
          Beer from me if you go through Sofia drinks
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 20: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            Beer from me if you go through Sofia

            And the nickname from the movie "Suspicious Persons"? I love this movie. hi
            1. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 20 May 2020 20: 15 New
              +3
              nickname from the movie "Suspicious Persons"?


              Exactly hi Favorite movie ... Kevin Spacey's hero :)
    2. Nikolai Korovin
      Nikolai Korovin 21 May 2020 17: 53 New
      +1
      Solar cell - in Russian, not a solar cell, but a solar cell. I think, given the current efficiency and cost of the elements, this segment of China’s energy sector is still unprofitable. But they are moving towards making it bigger and more profitable.
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 21 May 2020 18: 00 New
        +2
        Solar cell - in Russian, not a solar cell, but a solar cell.


        Thank you, did not know the term :)
  8. Masha
    Masha 20 May 2020 08: 34 New
    +2
    With great fanfare, the intention to “make the continent climate neutral by 2050”

    ambitions blown away ... you can not argue with nature! yes nor any denyuzhkov not enough ....
  9. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 20 May 2020 08: 39 New
    +1
    Caring for the environment is, of course, a good thing. But not only when the world is bursting at the seams.

    Earth’s population is continuously increasing .... this leads to an increase in energy costs .... a crack can turn into a chasm if environmental problems are not solved ...
  10. dgonni
    dgonni 20 May 2020 09: 13 New
    +6
    The author, as always, confuses the warm with the soft and is captive to his misconceptions!
    What was planned for green energy will be highlighted because it is in the priority and in the plans of the European Union!
    The cost of pulling the economy out of the effects of the coronavirus crisis is simply an unplanned waste. And they affect green energy more than nothing!
    The presence and volume of green energy is just one of the factors in the fall in oil and gas prices! And the further Europe will advance in this regard, the cheaper energy will be.
    A zero or climatically neutral continent, this is not zero CO2 emissions, this means that CO2 emissions from industrial enterprises are completely absorbed by natural factors. Like trees, algae, etc.
    So the author can continue to be in rainbow dreams, as Miller once thought about shale
    1. pytar
      pytar 20 May 2020 10: 14 New
      0
      You are absolutely right! good Plus from me! hi
    2. Liam
      Liam 20 May 2020 11: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: dgonni
      The cost of pulling the economy out of the effects of the coronavirus crisis is simply an unplanned waste. And they affect green energy more than nothing!

      Actually, it influences. Only in the opposite direction described by the local author. Investments in green stuff will increase and not decrease. Only contingent repeating mantras 15 years ago about non-existent shale, changing the word shale to green energy will not understand this. They will understand when they will pay back oil buyers so that the latter would take it for nothing
      1. dgonni
        dgonni 20 May 2020 11: 43 New
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        Well, in principle, I agree. The cost of producing those same batteries and blades of windmills will drastically decrease. That will allow for the same stipulated money to do much more. Something like this.
  11. bar
    bar 20 May 2020 09: 26 New
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    European states are trying to abandon the use of cars with internal combustion engines as soon as possible, replacing them with electric vehicles everywhere.

    It remains only to find deposits of fossil electricity. And then with what to charge electric cars after the closure of all nuclear power plants / thermal power plants. Some windmills are good if at least enough for lighting houses ...
    1. pytar
      pytar 20 May 2020 10: 10 New
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      It remains only to find deposits of fossil electricity. And then with what to charge electric cars after the closure of all nuclear power plants / thermal power plants. Some windmills are good if at least enough for lighting houses ...

      The energy that we are not using for a number of reasons is much greater than the energy that we use.

      The total amount of solar energy absorbed by the atmosphere, the surface of the land and the ocean is approximately 3 exajoules (EJ) per year. In 850 hour, it gives more energy than the whole world has used for the whole of 000. The amount of solar energy that reaches the earth’s surface is so large that in a year it will approximately double the total energy that could potentially be generated from all non-renewable sources: coal, oil, and uranium ores. Of course, not all can be used, but the part that is available is thousands of times more than all the remaining energy available on Earth.
      You can’t think that we are talking only about windmills and other currently popular systems!
      Oceans contain an enormous amount of stern for future thermonuclear centrals! Thermonuclear controlled synthesis, sooner or later it will be a fact! It promises to be environmentally cleaner than modern Nuclear Centrals, leaving thousands of tons of radioactive waste that must be stored for centuries, taking risks associated with this!
      1. bar
        bar 20 May 2020 11: 06 New
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        And here the green sectarians pulled themselves together laughing
        You can’t think that we are talking only about windmills and other currently popular systems!

        I agree, you can’t think, you need to believe, because it’s absurd.
        In the UK, a bunch of renewable fuel thermal power plants - firewood. Greens are happy.
        1. pytar
          pytar 20 May 2020 11: 35 New
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          And here the green sectarians pulled themselves up ...

          Likely in the old days, when they began to dig coal and replace firewood with it, lumberjacks also called coal miners sectarians ... laughing
          I deal with the development of energy storage. Their application significantly improves the efficiency of power systems.
          I agree, you can’t think, you need to believe, because it’s absurd.

          For the ancients, faith was decisive in behavior. Nowadays, calculations are more important. hi
          In the UK, a bunch of renewable fuel thermal power plants - firewood. Greens are happy.

          I don’t know if it really is (I am talking about thermal power plants for firewood), but firewood is a renewable source of energy. True, they have a low energy intensity, and besides, the cutting of trees robs the planet of the lungs. As far as I know, the greens are just fighting to preserve nature! You are probably talking about some other planet ... lol
          1. bar
            bar 20 May 2020 11: 50 New
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            I deal with the development of energy storage. Their application significantly improves the efficiency of power systems.

            Happy for you. I’ve been doing electric cars all my life, and I also write not just like that, but with a little knowledge of the essence of the problem.

            As far as I know, the greens are just fighting to preserve nature!

            And as far as I know, greens are fighting for power, and for the ability to manage financial resources. I live on this planet, and people on it have changed little over the past thousand years. They always wanted power. Adherents of the green sect may well believe that their leaders are showing them, not reflecting not only on the real goals of these leaders, but also on the elementary laws of the nature of physics.
            1. pytar
              pytar 20 May 2020 12: 35 New
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              I’ve been doing electric cars all my life, and I also write for a reason, but with a little knowledge of the essence of the problem.

              In this case, you should be aware that the world comes with electric traction! Also, you should be aware of what problems are there when using electricity and how they are trying to solve them! There is no doubt that with time and with investments more and more investments, problems will be resolved.
              And as far as I know, greens are fighting for power, and for the ability to manage financial resources. I live on this planet, and people on it have changed little over the past thousand years. They always wanted power. Adherents of the green sect may well believe that their leaders are showing them, not reflecting not only on the real goals of these leaders, but also on the elementary laws of the nature of physics.

              Wherever there is money, there are interests. It has always been that way. But the disgraced lobistic "ecology" should not be confused with the real situation in connection with the deterioration of the ecological situation on the planet. It amazes the requests that science and technology will have to solve!
              At one time, adherents of steam engines resisted the introduction of DVG, but still the DVG won, as they were more efficient. This was due to scientific and technological progress. He does not stand in one place! Even accelerates! So the future is already here ... The ego will not stop! hi
              1. bar
                bar 20 May 2020 12: 42 New
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                Only two options are possible - either you are a true believer, or you feed on this topic. In both cases, discussing with you is useless. hi
                1. pytar
                  pytar 20 May 2020 13: 14 New
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                  Only two options are possible - either you are a true believer, or you feed on this topic.

                  For people with black-and-white thinking, of course there are a few options. request
                  The first test sample of the energy storage device I put in my house. Immediately the cost of electricity fell from 18-22%! And this is an inexpensive small-sized, semi-stationary system, made in a handicraft way. In the moment we are developing an industrial version with electronic control! Allows easy implementation in existing electrical systems, both in individual houses and in large electrical networks.
                  In both cases, discussing with you is useless.

                  I agree! You have your own reasons, and mine are related to the belief that it is useless to conduct a discussion with people who have black and white thinking. hi
                  1. bar
                    bar 20 May 2020 14: 06 New
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                    The first test sample of the energy storage device I put in my house. Immediately the cost of electricity fell from 18-22%!

                    If you didn't immediately understand, the issue is not in the accumulation of energy, but in its receipt. You cannot accumulate what is not. And no matter how many electric vehicles are stamped, no matter what capacious "energy storage devices" are installed in them, the energy itself will not appear in them, it must be produced somewhere. But for you this is not a problem, you firmly believe that it is enough to allocate a large amount of money for this business, and everything will turn out by itself.
                    But because of the coronovirus, money in Europe has substantially decreased, and even England has taken away its 20% of the budget. So in the camp of green is now sadness. Actually about this and the article.
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 20 May 2020 16: 12 New
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                      If you didn't immediately understand, the issue is not in the accumulation of energy, but in its receipt. You cannot accumulate what is not. And no matter how many electric vehicles are stamped, no matter what capacious "energy storage devices" are installed in them, the energy itself will not appear in them, it must be produced somewhere.

                      Get away from the moment. Look broader at the question! Getting energy and its accumulation go hand in hand from the very beginning of civilization! In the dawn of history, even the most primitive forms of activity, supposedly to collect sticks, branches, and use later for fire, represent - the extraction and conservation of energy! Nothing has changed fundamentally so far! Mining and preservation may not go simultaneously, as new knowledge and skills are mastered! Progress and technology have made one after the other available for mining and preserving more and more sources! So it happens in the moment, so it will be in the future! There is a colossal amount of unused energy in the world! Much more than the one we use!
                      But for you this is not a problem, you really believe that it is enough to allocate a large amount of money for this matter, as everything will form by itself.

                      Nothing is formed just like that ... As soon as a request for something appears, a resource appears! This is not only money, much more is needed, but funding is undoubtedly needed, especially in high-tech industries! This is not a question of "faith", we are talking about fundamental rules and laws! Only a person who does not understand them can argue!
                      But because of the coronovirus, money in Europe has substantially decreased, and even England has taken away its 20% of the budget. So in the camp of green is now sadness. Actually about this and the article.

                      I do not share the opinion of the author. As another Formchanin already noticed on the branch, the process of introducing green technologies in Europe is likely to accelerate. And if it slows down, it won't be fatal. The process is already irreversible. Only some kind of planetary cataclysm can change the situation. But then the world will change radically and everything will be different for everyone.
                      1. bar
                        bar 20 May 2020 16: 49 New
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                        Many letters, but nothing to discuss, only beautiful slogans and demagogy. I suspect that in your environmental activities you are not a technical specialist, but a functionary. But I’m a techie, on the contrary, your beautiful words do not matter to me. I propose to end the discussion on this, because it is pointless. Let's wait and see who was right.
                      2. pytar
                        pytar 20 May 2020 18: 17 New
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                        Many letters, but nothing to discuss, only beautiful slogans and demagogy.

                        I say specific things, if you sound like slogans and demagogy, the problem is NOT in things ...
                        I suspect that in your environmental activities you are not a technical specialist, but a functionary.

                        Ecology is not my specialty, but I have an ecologist in staff. I am personally engaged in technical topics, while also managing engineering. By the way, and in connection with gas. There are several patents in the assets, while others are now at different stages of preparation. Therefore, your judgments look a little strange to me ... Okay, let's go.
                        I propose to end the discussion on this, because it is pointless.

                        Accepted. hi
                    2. Motorist
                      Motorist 20 May 2020 21: 50 New
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                      The receipt of energy and its accumulation go hand in hand from the very beginning of civilization

                      You stubbornly "forget" that energy already accumulated in fossil hydrocarbons. Just don’t tell in the answer [if you deign, of course] about greenhouse gas emissions, I ask humbly! hi
                    3. pytar
                      pytar 20 May 2020 23: 10 New
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                      You stubbornly "forget" that energy has already been accumulated in fossils

                      Fossils / to dig, to drill /, the accumulated energy of the Sun. All the energy that is accumulated, that dynamic / river, wind, etc. / comes from the Sun. The problem with the fossil - it must be transformed! The process is very harmful to the environment, and coal and oil are non-renewable. One day will end, they can be used for other purposes, for a long time, instead of just burning! So, why can not you directly use the energy of the sun, which is practically inexhaustible? After all, we use energy from water and wind since ancient times! Or thermonuclear energy, because we use nuclear?
                    4. Motorist
                      Motorist 20 May 2020 23: 37 New
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                      All energy that is accumulated, that dynamic / rivers, wind, etc. / comes from the Sun

                      Not all: atomic - from other stars.
                      The problem with the fossil - it must be transformed

                      Yeah, but do you transform wind energy directly into movement? Today (and for a very long time) there is no converter more efficient than ICE.
                      Or thermonuclear energy

                      The Tokamaks (with efficiency "below zero") have not gone further for obvious reasons.

                      Judging by the pictures that you insert into the comments, you really are a "believer" (IMHO, respectfully).
                    5. pytar
                      pytar 21 May 2020 00: 03 New
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                      Not all: atomic - from other stars.

                      Yes. The clarification is appropriate.
                      Yeah, but do you transform wind energy directly into movement? Today (and for a very long time) there is no converter more efficient than ICE.

                      There are converters, their efficiency is constantly increasing, and the cost is decreasing. ICE is more effective for that period of time. But the situation is changing before our eyes. All global companies are phasing out investments in internal combustion engines and investing in electric traction. Who is late, then it’s more difficult to catch up or remain in the role of a reserve of obsolete equipment. The trend is clear.
                      The Tokamaks (with efficiency "below zero") have not gone further for obvious reasons.

                      Progress is jerking. This is normal. Tokamaki are probably fundamentally wrong. But a person did not immediately learn to light a fire from branches!
                      Judging by the pictures that you insert into the comments, you really are a "believer" (IMHO, respectfully).

                      Not a believer in that sense. I come from the healthy meaning and logic of history. For unbelievers, this looks like abstract faith.
                      I set pictures for a different purpose. Say for aesthetics ... laughing
                    6. Motorist
                      Motorist 21 May 2020 00: 25 New
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                      Converters are

                      There are no converters, you are mistaken. You are all looking at electric cars that can be recharged from the same thermal power station or nuclear power plant (all green followers are silent about this!). The electric car is good for Shanghai [for example], where the sun is not visible in clear weather due to smog; but globally, heat loss is much greater than that of an ICE that transmits torque directly to the wheels.

                      Take the steamer - where does the electricity come from on the GED (if any)? This is an internal combustion engine or reactor, but - as a rule - direct transmission to a screw with internal combustion engine. Where do you get such power ?!
                    7. pytar
                      pytar 21 May 2020 10: 11 New
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                      Sorry, but you are making a few fundamental mistakes in your deliberation!
                      There are no converters, you are mistaken.

                      ICE is also an energy converter, structurally much more complicated for production and operation than an electric motor-battery! Compare how many parts there are in both systems!
                      You are all looking at electric cars that can be recharged from the same CHPP or nuclear power plant.

                      It is possible, but it is possible from a photosolar station, a windmill or at the VEC. I look not only on electric cars. Electricity is a universal form of energy for the modern world. Everything around works for him. A DVG can only charge for petroleum products.
                      The electric car is good for Shanghai [for example], where the sun is not visible in clear weather due to smog; but globally, heat loss is much greater than that of an ICE that transmits torque directly to the wheels.

                      ICE efficiency max. 30%, for electric motors the efficiency is above 80%! Finishing, processing fuel in factories, filling the tank with gasoline, or finishing off electricity and recharging the accumulator are similar processes. When electricity is much easier to realize, the closed cycle, which is characteristic of nature. When using hydrocarbons, this is impossible. If we look at the entire cycle from production to operation, MPS for electric traction is more environmentally friendly!
                      Globally, the heat loss during electricity production, such as from a VEC, photolar stations or wind turbines, is much smaller! Example: Imagine a photolar panel! Solar energy falling on him, is converted into electricity! Not all, but part, yes! And under it ... a shadow! As much warmth as it went on the panel, so much did not reach the teren under it! The equilibrium in the total heat exchange is maintained!
                      By burning coal, oil, gas in huge quantities, you add shockingly thermal load on the planet. This is energy that, millions of years ago, was mothballed and deduced from the thermal balance of the Earth! I’m not talking about an extreme increase in the level of greenhouse gas, which still exacerbates the situation, covering the Earth under a hood.
                      Take the steamer - where does the electricity come from on the GED (if any)? This is an internal combustion engine or reactor, but - as a rule - direct transmission to a screw with internal combustion engine. Where do you get such power ?!

                      And here, big changes await us! Slower but with greater effect! Ships use huge amounts of fuel oil! More than all cars on the planet! To reduce the amount of emissions in the atmosphere, they will switch to alternative power plants! Most likely they will be combined, hybrid devices! Part of the energy will come from wind and solar generators on board. A complete transition is not yet possible, but technologies for the selection of additional energy from the surrounding environment will find more and more applications.
                    8. Motorist
                      Motorist 21 May 2020 16: 48 New
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                      ICE efficiency max. thirty%

                      I understood where you have a gap: "bad" internal combustion engines from the 1st half of the last century, "good" green sources - from the present.
                      Let me give you an example: I participated in sea trials, the main engine showed a specific consumption of 165 g / kW * h. Let it be 170. Simple calculations (with a calorific value of fuel of 40 MJ / kg) give an efficiency of 51,5%. Please note that on benchboards (ideal conditions) the engine produced 160 g / kW * h!
                      Most likely they will be combined, hybrid devices! Part of the energy will come from wind and solar generators on board.

                      And here you reminded me of the monologue ("lecture") of O. Bender in the chess club of the village of Vasyuki. lol
                    9. pytar
                      pytar 21 May 2020 18: 24 New
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                      DG showed .... give an efficiency of 51,5%.

                      Motorist, do you read what you write? After 120 years of development and ... 51,5, let it be 60%! And this is the peak of perfection! A standard electric motor is above 80%, 87-94 %% normal.! Easier at times constructively and cheaper!
                      And here you reminded me of the monologue ("lecture") of O. Bender in the chess club of the village of Vasyuki.

                      But here you are here ... laughing
                      Our dialogue looks like a dispute between an adherent of steam engines and ICE at the beginning of the previous century ... bully
                      Okay, done. drinks
                    10. Motorist
                      Motorist 21 May 2020 18: 59 New
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                      Motorist, do you read what you write?

                      Boyan, I read what I write, and I write - what I know. I am a heat engineer, and [I think] I know what I'm talking about. You are not considering the electric motor in that quality; for example, the main boiler has an efficiency of 95%, but this does not make a heat engine out of the boiler!
                      Okay, done.

                      Agreed to take, adventure. For you - sound and kazmet! Beche mi Nice. drinks
                    11. Motorist
                      Motorist 21 May 2020 20: 10 New
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                      Our dialogue looks like a dispute between an adherent of steam engines and ICE at the beginning of the previous century ...

                      Boyan, I'm sorry, I will continue a little (just in order to improve education) ... In fact, the steam engine is perfect heat engine, as operates on a direct Carnot cycle [where efficiency = (T1-T2) / T1]. If the temperature of steam T1 is raised to the temperature of the beginning of combustion in the internal combustion engine, then there will be no price for such an engine! yes
  • pytar
    pytar 20 May 2020 10: 00 New
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    Transition to the so-called green energy, the inevitable and only true path of human development. Yes, it will require huge investments, but in the long run, it will pay off. The technological level already allows you to start the transition. He will not be as fast as we would like, but nature itself will force humanity to rush! Otherwise, a global climate shock will ensue and those who survive will return to the Stone Age.

    One clarification: Under "green, carbon-neutral energy", many podruzomevayut only wind turbines, phosphate batteries and other similar systems. The essence of technology of that series is much more. These include both controlled thermonuclear fusion and many others. For example, the extraction / transfer of the energy of the Sun from Space - yesterday an American experimental installation went into orbit. A special place is occupied by technologies for increasing the efficiency of production, conservation and consumption of energy. The efficiency of the current is low for a number of reasons. There are huge reserves in that direction. hi
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 20 May 2020 10: 03 New
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    And I believe that the future lies in green energy. A matter of time. In our town, during the war, there was a power station. On the wood. So time will pass, new technologies will appear. And all this not in a hundred years, but much earlier.
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    2. rocket757
      rocket757 20 May 2020 10: 38 New
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      Quote: Gardamir
      And all this not in a hundred years, but much earlier.

      Before ... but not straight tomorrow.
      And again, it depends on what funds and efforts will be spent on "greening"! Moreover, in all areas of our life.
    3. pytar
      pytar 20 May 2020 10: 46 New
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      And I believe that the future lies in green energy. A matter of time.

      You are absolutely right, Gardamir! good It is enough to look at the history of the assimilation of energy sources from the time of the existence of mankind and it becomes immediately clear - each next level progressed at ever shorter intervals! Conventionally pure energy in nature, a million times more! Do not use such good, a sin! Moreover, technology does not sit in one place! Every year their level grows in geometric progression! hi Yes, and Mother Nature will no longer tolerate our squandering! There is essentially no choice! Or we will follow the conservation path of development, or the Earth will shake from us, like pests!
    4. bar
      bar 20 May 2020 11: 08 New
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      In our town, during the war, there was a power station. On the wood. So time will pass, new technologies will appear.

      Have already appeared. There are still plenty of wood-fired power plants in the UK. These are "new technologies", renewable fuels are laughing
  • Grading
    Grading 20 May 2020 10: 31 New
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    Quote: Civil
    It is necessary to prohibit the gayropeans from closing the thermal power station and nuclear power plant. Gosuduma should introduce criminal liability for the transition to "green" energy. Then initiate criminal cases for Europe's refusal from fossil energy sources.

    Have you been notified of these?



    1. bar
      bar 20 May 2020 11: 10 New
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      Notable topics for cutting the budget.
  • Grading
    Grading 20 May 2020 10: 44 New
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    Quote: Svetlana
    Russia's strategy is not "sharpened for oil and gas consumption." That is, no such "sharpening" exists at all. There is no strategy. There are historical relationships: Russia produces, Europe buys.
    If there was enough oil in Germany or in France or elsewhere in Europe, as in Russia, then there would be no such Alternative Energy either, and it would not have bought oil.

    Why is there such a lie that the USA has the 1st place in the world for oil and gas production and the alternative is developing 3rd place in the world. and your manuals are from the LNG series, not a competitor to the pipe, but reality says the opposite.

    Last year, photovoltaic system developers around the world installed 114,9 GW of new solar energy, according to recent statistics from the International Energy Agency (IEA).

    In its report, “A Snapshot of the Global Photovoltaic Energy Market 2020,” the IEA said that overall growth over the past year was 12% compared to 2018, with significant growth observed on all continents. In total, by the end of 2019, 629 GW of solar energy had been installed worldwide.

    In terms of new capacity, China was the largest photovoltaic market for the third year in a row in 2019 with 30,1 GW, followed by the United States with 13,3 GW and Japan with 7,7 GW.

    The European Union - which is in the top 10 as a whole, which makes it the second largest market in the world in theory - has registered a total increase of about 16 GW. Spain and Germany added the most power to the continent last year, with 4,4 GW and 3,9 GW, respectively.

    Asia accounted for about 57% of total new capacity last year. Countries such as South Korea, Taiwan, and Malaysia offset the decline in demand in China and India in 2019.

    The IEA said that all photovoltaic systems installed around the world are currently able to cover about 3% of global electricity demand.

    “In the coming years, photovoltaics will be able to quickly develop into an important source of electricity in several countries around the world,” the IEA said.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 10: 54 New
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      Quote: Grading
      In terms of new capacity, China was the largest photovoltaic market for the third year in a row in 2019 with 30,1 GW, followed by the United States with 13,3 GW and Japan with 7,7 GW.

      About six months ago I turned on the receiver and ran into Radio of China in Russian. There they were just talking about their huge investments in green energy.
    2. Motorist
      Motorist 20 May 2020 22: 05 New
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      photovoltaics will be able to develop very quickly into an important source of electricity in several countries around the world

      It depends on where and to whom it belongs: if in Ukraine and Akhmetov, then for "development" it is possible to drown out the nuclear power plant ...
  • Free wind
    Free wind 20 May 2020 10: 53 New
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    green electricity is not only solar panels, in which the efficiency is gradually increased, the windmills are worse than that, well, because of the windmills the wind blows. But even now, hydropower is developing very actively. Damless Submersible, semi-submersible mini-hydropower plants are very actively spreading, and even just cascades of damless water wheels on a regular river. Especially in Europe, rivers rarely freeze, we think submersible mini hydroelectric power plants would be quite suitable .. Also, gas-fired generators are distributed to them. The exhaust system and the engine cooling system are fed through heat exchangers to the heating system, plus electricity. Efficiency, I think, is not less than 90%. Green energy is still developing. In the USSR, wind generators were fully produced and installed. Nobody seemed to spit, and the worms did not spin, though there were no special studies.
  • Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 20 May 2020 11: 33 New
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    Green Energy in Europe: Transition Challenges

    Already in the title are two incorrect messages.
    1. Why focus on Europe?
    Because they shout the loudest there ... And Greta was born?
    Europe in this matter is losing to the USA and China.
    The Americans do not shine widely, but their energy companies partly on their own, partly on state money, have worked out various energy technologies of the future.
    And they are waiting for the time to come for these technologies.
    The Chinese act directly, buy and develop technologies themselves, pay special attention to solar energy.
    I understand that this is fantastic, but scientific reports slipped through statements that the production of electric vehicles in China will be coordinated with the capacity of functioning solar power plants .... - This is real "green" energy. And the fact that in the composition of the country's energy sector in China somehow already counted 20%.
    2. There is no transition problem for a highly developed country.
    For even D.I. Mendeleev wrote that "to heat with oil is to heat with banknotes."
    Highly developed countries will continue to consume petroleum products and gas for chemical enterprises.
    Soon, this is almost not a fantasy, it will be realized that green, or rather, energy from renewable energy resources is more profitable and safer than traditional. And it can become the basis for an energy system with dispersed energy sources.
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 20 May 2020 12: 09 New
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    Also, to reduce electricity consumption, the whole of Europe will have to switch to the most energy-saving technologies both in industry and in everyday life. A special article is cars. European states are trying to abandon the use of cars with internal combustion engines as soon as possible, replacing them with electric vehicles everywhere.

    And how are Europe going to combine a decrease in electricity consumption with a sharp increase in the number of electric vehicles consuming this electricity? what
    1. pytar
      pytar 20 May 2020 12: 43 New
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      And how are Europe going to combine a decrease in electricity consumption with a sharp increase in the number of electric vehicles consuming this electricity?

      Through increasing the efficiency of systems of production, energy distribution and energy consumption. The patriarchs of artificial intelligence will be introduced in the management and optimization of electrical systems, technologies for increasing efficiency, energy saving, etc. Particularly promising developments in the accumulation of electricity, which so far has been one of the most serial problems! hi
      1. pytar
        pytar 20 May 2020 13: 22 New
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        will be implemented paratyra artificial

        Izninayus, typo repeat - equipment!
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 20 May 2020 13: 10 New
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    Europe does quite logical things (which, as always, due to our stupidity, we take as another whim or undermining our raw material activities) - people there are used to living well, getting good money and being the center of the world - but this time is running out, the blanket of technologies and markets is all more often it bursts at the seams, torn apart by the USA, China, Japan, South Korea and India, which literally breathes into its back and an increasingly active Turkey. In Europe, they understand that the "well-fed days" are long over and no changes are expected in the future, which means that they need to prepare in advance for saving - and this is recycling waste and reducing the cost of purchasing something abroad. In this configuration, they will be able to slow down the decline in living standards of their aging population in the long term and make their lives less dependent on world energy price surges. Another thing is that often in this matter they come from the position of some abstract "environmental friendliness", while they could well not cut off the NPP from the shoulder, at least at the first stages of the plan ..
  • Suslin
    Suslin 20 May 2020 14: 05 New
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    Concern for eclogy should not destroy industry and agriculture. Electric cars are good, but only if their production and their utilization are thought out to the smallest detail. Especially the disposal of sludge in the production and disposal of batteries for electric vehicles.
  • Old26
    Old26 20 May 2020 14: 42 New
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    Quote: Olgovich
    Until there are breakthrough technologies in energy production, all the green hype, I think, is self-deception.

    "green energy" is certainly good, but it should be done without fanaticism. Where it is profitable, it can be developed. Where it is not profitable - to use existing technologies. In our region (Stavropol Territory) there are two features in this regard. In some areas of the region there are a very large number of sunny days a year and since most of the region is located on the Stavropol Upland, there are quite strong winds.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 20 May 2020 16: 23 New
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    If the greens are kind of anarchists, and they have little scientific training, then modern technology is primarily a subject of competition. Now the Volga is stepping on the banks. There is no single connection between the dams for draining the water. When the hydropower plants were being built, there was a mood to show that the ministries are not in vain eating the budget. When the Cheboksary hydroelectric power station was being built, the dispute was terrible. The bureaucracy won. Now the Volga turns green in the summer. And before it’s impossible to cope with the flow. Only in the Stalin era everyone measured to the millimeter. I was surprised to learn that the residents of Balakovo should one of elektroenergii.Zhit about hydro and nuclear power, and work on these sites, and be dolgu.Chem above technology, the insanity more.
  • Grading
    Grading 20 May 2020 16: 24 New
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    Quote: bar
    And here the green sectarians pulled themselves together laughing
    You can’t think that we are talking only about windmills and other currently popular systems!

    I agree, you can’t think, you need to believe, because it’s absurd.
    In the UK, a bunch of renewable fuel thermal power plants - firewood. Greens are happy.

    In the UK, a third of TPP generation is coal-fired!
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 20 May 2020 19: 04 New
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    some people resemble a student from the movie dog’s heart, he is still poorly knowledgeable describes such prospects for humanity, just ah, it’s right, it’s true, for the time being, for PL, progresses towards the envy of green
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 20 May 2020 20: 36 New
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    In 2016, I had to travel a lot across Europe. Wherever you go, everywhere windmills generate electricity. They are just some incredible amount. I then asked, it turned out that Denmark with these wind turbines already covers 40% of all the energy needs of the country. I think that over the past 4 years, wind energy has reached 50%.
    In the Netherlands, in each village there is a windmill, or even 2 and 3. They are usually used for public and village-wide needs - they light the streets, pump water, ventilate or warm cowsheds and poultry farms.
    In Hamburg, the cargo port has dozens of varied windmills.
  • Grading
    Grading 21 May 2020 05: 05 New
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    Quote: A. Privalov
    In 2016, I had to travel a lot across Europe. Wherever you go, everywhere windmills generate electricity. They are just some incredible amount. I then asked, it turned out that Denmark with these wind turbines already covers 40% of all the energy needs of the country. I think that over the past 4 years, wind energy has reached 50%.
    In the Netherlands, in each village there is a windmill, or even 2 and 3. They are usually used for public and village-wide needs - they light the streets, pump water, ventilate or warm cowsheds and poultry farms.
    In Hamburg, the cargo port has dozens of varied windmills.

    in Denmark this year it is expected that renewable energy stations will cover more than 80% of the country's electricity needs.
  • Fishery
    Fishery 21 May 2020 14: 49 New
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    I won’t argue with the power engineers, but in our lcd, in principle, every 10 parking spaces that are owned, already with a power outlet or station, have a lot of Tesla electric cars, fiat 500, smart phones, and nissans, a liter of gasoline costs about 1 bucks, gas is half the price , at a friend’s house with panels, in the sunny month he can run to him plus 50 (per day, like) bucks from selling surplus energy to the network, they say that then prices will fall a bit on energy purchase, he thought the station would break in 8 years, I won’t tell you but of course consumer changes are noticeable.
  • iouris
    iouris 21 May 2020 22: 16 New
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    It looks "green", but in fact - a deep robbery of the broad masses. In addition, the financing came from pension funds. The political goal is to destroy the socio-economic foundations of the existence of peoples. This also concerns us.