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The construction of a large floating dock has begun in Shanghai: on the possibility of replacing it with a PD-50 for the Russian Federation

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The construction of a large floating dock has begun in Shanghai: on the possibility of replacing it with a PD-50 for the Russian Federation

It became known that a large floating dock was put into construction at the Shanghai Jiangnan shipyard. This is the first floating dock in stories specified shipyard. It is noted that the length of the floating dock according to plan is 250 m with a width of 60 and a draft of 4,8 m.


Representatives of the state-owned Chinese company China State Shipbuilding note that the start of work on the construction of a large floating dock marks "overcoming many of the production problems associated with the pandemic."

The floating dock, which is being built at the Shanghai shipyard, will be capable of transporting goods (including ships and warships) weighing up to 32 thousand tons. According to other sources, the future floating dock will be able to provide work with facilities with a displacement of about 45 thousand tons.

At the same time, the Chinese company did not answer journalists' questions as to who specifically could eventually receive the built floating dock. Given this understatement, as well as varying (in terms of mass / displacement) data on the provision of floating dock cargo / ship operations, in China itself began to speculate that the construction under construction could ultimately be sent to a foreign buyer.

In this regard, the question arises, to whom exactly could China State Shipbuilding export its floating dock after completion, if we can really talk about its export potential?

Given the fact that in our country there are known problems after the incident with the flooding of the PD-50 floating dock, it is quite possible to talk about the possibility of buying a Shanghai floating dock. So far, all this is at the level of assumptions and versions. But given the fact that with the operation to raise the PD-50 with its further use in our country - silence, the version, as they say, has the right to life.

Recall that on the PD-50 during the incident, repairs were carried out on the aircraft carrier cruiser of the Russian Navy Admiral Kuznetsov.

True, even if we assume that the Chinese floating dock under construction would be ordered for the maintenance of an Admiral Kuznetsov-format aircraft carrier, we need to state: for such ships, the indicated dimensions of the floating dock from China State Shipbuilding are not enough. The length and width of the aircraft carrier “Admiral Kuznetsov” exceed the corresponding parameters of the floating structure being built in China. The longest length is about 306 m with a Chinese PD at 250 m. Yes, and the sunken PD-50, which was operated at 82 shipyard, it yields: 250 m versus 330 m. Payload 32 thousand tons against 80 thousand

But it’s not a single aircraft carrier ...
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  1. senima56
    senima56 19 May 2020 19: 22 New
    -10
    We survived ... Previously, they themselves built floating docks for export, even for capitalist countries, but now we bow to the Chinese! "It's a shame for the state!"
    1. tanki-tanki
      tanki-tanki 19 May 2020 19: 31 New
      +2
      Correctly! We need to build ourselves!

      True, even if we assume that the Chinese floating dock under construction would be ordered for the maintenance of an Admiral Kuznetsov-format aircraft carrier, we need to state: for such ships, the indicated dimensions of the floating dock from China State Shipbuilding are not enough.


      Chinese floating docks are not within our size. We ourselves must build them.
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 19 May 2020 19: 35 New
        42
        The USSR has always bought its largest floating docks. In Sweden, Japan, Yugoslavia. Exception: after the Second World War, the Germans wrested floating docks, including the largest one left from Tirpitz. PD-50, PD-41 foreign cars.
        1. senima56
          senima56 19 May 2020 21: 27 New
          +8
          In the 80s and 90s, it was under repair in Finland at Värtsila in Turku and Helsinki. And there, and there PD were "Made in USSR"!
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 20 May 2020 09: 22 New
            +3
            Quote: senima56
            In the 80-90s, it was under repair in Finland

            What were you repairing?
        2. MAA_66
          MAA_66 21 May 2020 00: 04 New
          +1
          PD-50 was bought in Sweden and brought to 82 SRZ in 1980. And the dock from Tirpitz was PD-1, it was in the same 82 SRZ. They dragged me right after the end of the war, until the "comrades" in arms woke up. When they woke up, they bombed during transportation. One tower crane and part of the dock were sunk. They put a native Soviet. They even looked different. Even a book has been written about this (I have not read, but heard).
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 20: 06 New
        +4
        Quote: tanki-tanki
        We ourselves must build them.

        The stone flower does not come out ... crying
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 19 May 2020 22: 18 New
          -5
          push a little.
          except PD - THE MAIN AIR WING IS NOW ALREADY NECESSARY
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 19 May 2020 20: 29 New
        +9
        Quote: tanki-tanki
        Chinese floating docks are not within our size. We ourselves must build them.

        And will our shipbuilding industry pull such a structure? After all, they did not build the PD-50s themselves, although at that time the USSR had much more shipbuilding opportunities than modern Russia.
        1. Grigory_78
          Grigory_78 20 May 2020 01: 58 New
          12
          In my opinion, the USSR, the RSFSR, as best he could, tried to be all friend, brother. We developed the economy in the Warsaw Pact countries, supported it with orders, and so on. Developed the Baltic states, Georgia and so on. Building a floating dock abroad - I think from the same series of nonsense.
          So - the USSR was quite capable of this, the main thing was that there was someone to set the task and control its implementation. And Russia is quite capable of coping. SSK "Zvezda" in the Far East is quite capable of building such a thing. But in this case, the floating dock is needed yesterday. How long will it take to design alone in our conditions? To build - another three to five years, taking into account the workload of the enterprise. And it turns out that we will be able to get floating docks from the Chinese literally next year, and we ourselves will be able to build it in five to seven years. However, under the USSR, the considerations were probably the same - the timing of construction was decisive. The floating dock, after all, is not a combat ship, it may be imported. In extreme cases, you can change the equipment to domestic.
          1. ycuce234-san
            ycuce234-san 21 May 2020 03: 20 New
            +1
            Even civil shipbuilding requires the highest technical competence and scientific and technical capabilities. Therefore, the deadlines for a decade.

        2. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 20 May 2020 10: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: Piramidon
          And will our shipbuilding industry pull such a structure?

          Our industry can build a similar PD-50 dock in 5 years and with manual control of the guarantor. But even during the USSR, PD-190 was built in Yugoslavia. And the powers of the superpower were different.
    2. knn54
      knn54 19 May 2020 20: 08 New
      +1
      We needed turbines for power plants in Western Ukraine. The Minister ordered them in China.
      Although in Kharkov there is a Turboatom. Back in 2011, he was provided with orders (from foreign consumers) for seven years in advance.
      Indeed, nowhere else to go.
    3. alone
      alone 19 May 2020 20: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: senima56
      We survived ... Previously, they themselves built floating docks for export, even for capitalist countries, but now we bow to the Chinese! "It's a shame for the state!"

      (D) an effective economy in all its glory
    4. Civil
      Civil 19 May 2020 21: 11 New
      -4
      Flood dock and immediately sadness sadness.
    5. Valter1364
      Valter1364 19 May 2020 22: 38 New
      11
      In the USSR, we also bought large-capacity docks abroad. This is a historical fact. recourse
    6. Pavel57
      Pavel57 19 May 2020 23: 11 New
      -2
      Previously, cruisers were bought in the States, Italy and Germany. Which of these?
    7. Serg65
      Serg65 20 May 2020 09: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: senima56
      Previously, they themselves built floating docks for export even for the capitalist countries, but now we bow to the Chinese! "It's a shame for the state!"

      And where was the PD-50 built, do not tell me?
      1. MAA_66
        MAA_66 21 May 2020 00: 41 New
        +2
        Built in Sweden. In 1980. drove to Roslyakovo (Murmansk region). The Yankees stood in a position that the Swedes did not want to give the dock for the needs of the Navy (as if it was not clear when the contract was signed). Ours announced that only fishing trawlers would be repaired. The Swedes wanted to check. They say that at the time of the arrival of the dock, all warships were pulled out of repair, and all military men (including military service) were dressed in civilian clothes. They did not meet the deadlines, and during the ferry they put the dock aground (to gain time). A tug came and pulled it off. When the dock was dragged and set up, it turned out that there were problems with connecting to the shore power supply. For several months he worked on onboard diesel generators. In 2002, the remnants of the Kursk were docked in it (it was shown on TV), and then the creative managers contracted it.
    8. vadim dok
      vadim dok 20 May 2020 18: 09 New
      +1
      Of course! The floating dock (drowned) PD-50 was "built" in the USSR!
    9. IC
      IC 21 May 2020 01: 30 New
      +1
      The Pololada plant in Kherson has been building and continues to build reinforced concrete fins from sub-fields up to 25000 tons, including indoor special docks for nuclear boats. Large steel docks were mainly built in Yugoslavia for the MMF factories. Even in series, like docks with a payload of 30000 tons. The last orders in the 80s were 60000 and 36000 t. For large ships of the Navy, Sudoimport has built 2 docks with 80000 tons in Sweden and Japan.
      1. aftbreeze
        aftbreeze 21 May 2020 19: 31 New
        0
        Maybe Pallada after all?
  2. evgen1221
    evgen1221 19 May 2020 19: 27 New
    -3
    Well, I’d be so categorical as in the article and probably would have been in many comments, I wouldn’t be so sure that And they do it for us (for what sobsno), they don’t rent such things because of the long drive to the place of repair of our sufferer and, to put it mildly, mismanagement in everything.
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 19 May 2020 19: 50 New
      14
      Mismanagement is our everything. I remembered a German captured floating dock with a carrying capacity of 60 thousand tons (for the battleship Tirpitz), which in the USSR had the number 4M. “It was built in Nazi Germany in 1937 at the Krupp plant. After the war, the dock in the form of a trophy came to Leningrad. Then it had to be moved to a new plant. It’s easy to say, a dock 250 m long, 50 m wide and with a carrying capacity of 60 thousand tons. in tow around Europe from the Baltic to the Black Sea - it was a super-operation! For another 45 years large-tonnage vessels were being repaired at the dock - the Krupp steel held on. And only after more than 65 years of operation did it finally crack. The dock is 9-storey high the house sank, sank to the bottom, and the top sticks out. " So it's a long-standing tradition to heat floating docks.
      1. Grigory_78
        Grigory_78 20 May 2020 02: 01 New
        +6
        Rather, the tradition is to exploit until blue in the face, and then a little more. The term of operation came out under Tsar Gorokh, but the equipment serves! So let it serve.
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 20 May 2020 09: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        So drown floating docks a long tradition.

        Well, in truth, the PD 4M Sumerians flooded ... bully
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 20 May 2020 10: 14 New
          +3
          Sumerians brotherly people, according to the guarantor, in any case, the approach to the operation of floating docks is similar repeat
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 20 May 2020 10: 28 New
            +3
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            Sumerians brotherly people, according to the guarantor, in any case, the approach to the operation of floating docks is similar

            Agree yes
      3. MAA_66
        MAA_66 21 May 2020 00: 13 New
        +1
        The dock for Tirpitz immediately after the war was dragged to the Chalm-Cannon Bay (near Murmansk, 82 SRZ, this is where the Kursk was put after lifting. True, they put it in the PD-50), where he worked for the needs of the KSF.
      4. IC
        IC 21 May 2020 01: 37 New
        +1
        That's right. This dock at the Illichivsk Shipyard drowned 2 times. Recently, the flooding of the docks has become systemic. One of the reasons, after the privatization of factories, the docks remained in state ownership,
        those. really without financing for maintenance and repair. This can be seen in any photo by the appearance of rusty cases.
  3. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 19 May 2020 19: 33 New
    +5
    When the Pallada plant in Kherson made docks for the entire Union and for export. And now it has been standing for three years, after the last dock was delivered to Vietnam.
    1. ZAV69
      ZAV69 20 May 2020 08: 35 New
      +1
      This is generally Ukraine
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 20 May 2020 09: 35 New
        +6
        This is actually the Russian city of Kherson. And the plant was not built by Ukraine. There was no such country at the time of construction. It is time to return the squandered charlatans already.
        1. ZAV69
          ZAV69 20 May 2020 19: 13 New
          +1
          It was THEN. And right now we won’t make a box of bolts there.
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 20 May 2020 10: 43 New
        +1
        Actually I live in Ukraine. I was born in Kherson, half of the city has relatives there, many of whom worked for KhSPO and for Pallada.
        1. aftbreeze
          aftbreeze 21 May 2020 19: 49 New
          0
          Actually, I now live in Kherson. Shipbuilding is shit! The only thing is that the shipyard works and it serves mainly the "frogs"!
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 21 May 2020 20: 09 New
            0
            Here I am the same. And when the lighter carrier Julius Fucik was built, 260 m long.
            1. aftbreeze
              aftbreeze 21 May 2020 20: 11 New
              0
              I do remember. Grand steamer! The height of only the letters in the name on the bow of the ship was 3m!
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 21 May 2020 20: 12 New
                0
                One relative built, another walked on it.
  4. Vlad Malkin
    Vlad Malkin 19 May 2020 19: 58 New
    +6
    I wonder how long they will build it?
    1. Grigory_78
      Grigory_78 20 May 2020 02: 02 New
      +2
      Year maximum. China and South Korea are the world leaders in shipbuilding now. The main thing is that we really need the float.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 20 May 2020 10: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: Gregory_78
        The main thing is that it was really necessary for us flooding.

        We certainly need it, but not the fact that it is being built for us.
        I think this PD will be pulled to an island base in the S-K archipelago of the sea and will dock ships there so as not to drive them to the Celestial Empire.
        1. IC
          IC 21 May 2020 01: 42 New
          +1
          There are more docks in Russia than necessary. It is only necessary to bring them into proper technical condition, equip them with modern equipment for repair work and organize normal production. Instead of a month to dock vessels in 7-10 days.
      2. Aag
        Aag 20 May 2020 19: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: Gregory_78
        Year maximum. China and South Korea are the world leaders in shipbuilding now. The main thing is that we really need the float.

        Well, from the news it does not at all follow that the dock is intended for us, RF. Again, I remembered the experience with the Mistrals ...
        I want all my own ... Yes, "the chain mail is a little short" (film A. Nevsky) ...
  5. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 19 May 2020 19: 58 New
    0
    Here the emotions are as follows:
    Of course, PD, and even a new one, categorically welcome.
    What kind of canoe happens (if PD- to us) ???
    Are their SPs without work, are we better to fund the PRC money ?!
    What is this news ?! For such news (as comrade Bender taught) you must kill! ..
    I, as a shipbuilding for a minute, insults me for myself ...
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 19 May 2020 20: 06 New
      +5
      I agree, engines, pumps, d / generators, etc.- buy from there (since you are not able to do it yourself).
      But the assembly of buildings, then (at least) leave us ...
      Otherwise, the Russian Federation will never have shipbuilding.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 19 May 2020 23: 11 New
        +8
        Quote: Benzorez
        But the assembly of buildings, then (at least) leave us ...

        Alas request
        On May 12, 2020 Zvezda Shipbuilding Complex LLC (Bolshoy Kamen, Primorsky Krai), the first Russian Aframax tanker Vladimir Monomakh was launched from the Zvezda shipyard.

        The President of Russia called this event a victory!
        But, the most labor-intensive and technically sophisticated bow and stern sections of the hull of this tanker were manufactured by the South Korean company Hyundai Samho Heavy Industries (part of Hyundai Heavy Industries Corporation) in Samho-Ju (Yongam) and delivered to Big Stone by sea. Only cargo sections of the ship’s hull were made at SSK Zvezda, and there they were connected as a whole. The Hyundai Samho Heavy Industries also supplied the middle part of the tanker with holds, which were made in Russia by equipment
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 20 May 2020 09: 41 New
          +3
          In short, essentially a screwdriver assembly. Hmm ...
        2. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 20 May 2020 20: 03 New
          +1
          It is sad.
          For Hyundai Heavy Industries, heard and seen.
          I would really like for us to have similar equipment (partly something is available), but there isn’t exactly a stream ... I mean, lots of big ones.
          It is precisely for this reason that I am a supporter of the doctrine - money should be invested in the purchase of modern equipment, and not in certain American bonds. Or Ablation? As one friend asked in a famous movie.
      2. Aag
        Aag 20 May 2020 19: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Benzorez
        I agree, engines, pumps, d / generators, etc.- buy from there (since you are not able to do it yourself).
        But the assembly of buildings, then (at least) leave us ...
        Otherwise, the Russian Federation will never have shipbuilding.

        All this is shameful ... I observe all this in smaller, less significant branches: cultivators, motoblocks, trailers for them, mounted, ..
        Full Opa! Well, how is it? All this iron from China goes to Moscow. Then it spreads all the way to Lake Baikal. Effective management, workload of Russian Railways?
        The difficulty level corresponds to the CPC of the Soviet school, the initial course of vocational schools ...
        SORRY ....
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 19 May 2020 21: 19 New
      +9
      Well, the Chinese will make the dock in 8-9 months, another 2-3 for testing and driving.

      Sami from 5 years and even more expensive significantly.
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 20 May 2020 08: 33 New
        -1
        Quote: donavi49
        Sami from 5 years and even more expensive significantly.

        From 5 years, subject to personal control and manual control of the guarantor.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 20 May 2020 11: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        2-3 more for testing and driving.

        Around Africa, or what? Or through the Suez Canal, if allowed. Amy will definitely be against it - sanctions are called. It remains SMP ... In the summer? Surrounded by 3-4 icebreakers and ocean rescue tugs? If this is built for us, then you have to choose:
        a) the return journey of the Nebogatov squadron ...
        b) the summer version of the Papanin epic ...
        What would you choose?
    3. Grits
      Grits 20 May 2020 05: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: Benzorez
      Are their SPs without work, are we better to fund the PRC money ?!

      And how many years will their SZ build it? Taking into account the lost competencies, 5 years is not enough.
    4. IC
      IC 21 May 2020 01: 47 New
      +1
      Shipbuilding is without work for the fact that Russian tax and customs legislation makes ship repair unprofitable for shipowners. This is already known to all 25 years, but nothing is being done. It looks like the state does not need ship repair
  6. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 19 May 2020 20: 04 New
    14
    Murmansk has not yet raised two floating docks of the Murmansk Shipyard / SRZ-1. 20 years will soon be like sinking. Conclusion: you need to build dry docks, they do not sink winked
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 19 May 2020 20: 24 New
      +4
      Here you see what kind of business ... Dry dock - can not replace the PD.
      Well, whatever one may say, not that "coat".
      Sosem different events can be performed in different types of docks.
      No, to a degree, yes. But, better, without a certain degree.
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 19 May 2020 22: 18 New
        +2
        What kind of thing is there? .. It was necessary to take the boat. And the boat is an emergency ... That's how you will take it to the dock (a long-standing affair). God forgive her ... Missiles in the mines are vigorous. Moreover, the mechanisms stuck. What shall we do?! ..
        Here it is!
        Such a situation on the Kursk nuclear submarine occurred. hi
        1. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 19 May 2020 22: 25 New
          +2
          They solved the issue as follows - PD "Pallada" - pulled into the bay and there is already a waste of that ... Overloading all the inconsistencies.
          1. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 20 May 2020 08: 35 New
            +2
            hi Exploiting floating docks in Russia is ugly, and I agree, they have advantages.
    2. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey 19 May 2020 21: 00 New
      +1
      build, bite the rock.
    3. novel66
      novel66 19 May 2020 23: 04 New
      +1
      it is necessary to hang up the dock with balloons. pouted and surfaced
    4. New Year day
      New Year day 19 May 2020 23: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Bashkirkhan
      Murmansk has not yet raised two floating docks of the Murmansk Shipyard / SRZ-1.

      In the southern bay of Sevastopol, the drowned dock, too, has not yet been raised request
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 20 May 2020 08: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        Murmansk has not yet raised two floating docks of the Murmansk Shipyard / SRZ-1.

        In the southern bay of Sevastopol, the drowned dock, too, has not yet been raised request

        From the sunken PD-16 in April, cranes from the towers were dismantled, and they were being prepared for lifting.
    5. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 19 May 2020 23: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Bashkirkhan
      Murmansk has not yet raised two floating docks of the Murmansk Shipyard / SRZ-1. 20 years will soon be like sinking. Conclusion: you need to build dry docks, they do not sink

      For humor (+).
      Thank you for the fact, I will know ....
      And the event itself is egregious. especially since they stand on an even keel.
      This means the bosses of any level do not care.
      But the problem is visible from space.
      So disgrace the homeland ...
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 20 May 2020 10: 22 New
        +1
        Most likely PD-50 will remain at the bottom for a long time. It is also not visible from space.
  7. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 19 May 2020 20: 35 New
    +2
    Russia itself must build such facilities ...
  8. yfast
    yfast 19 May 2020 21: 09 New
    -2
    Give Trump to .... Let's make the country working again.
  9. andelc
    andelc 19 May 2020 21: 17 New
    -4
    Why don't the Chinese build aircraft carriers for both countries, and we need planes, again for both?
    1. Grits
      Grits 20 May 2020 05: 53 New
      0
      Quote: andelc
      and us planes, again both?

      What's the point? The Chinese are already riveting their planes like hot cakes. Their 5th generation has long been in the series, and our Su-57 is still unknown how many years they will experience. And the second option of the 5th (which was torn off the F-35) is already flying. So soon they and us in aviation will pass around the corner like standing
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 20 May 2020 11: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: Gritsa
        So soon they and us in aviation will pass around the corner like standing

        Wild capital in the Russian Federation ... In the PRC, there is socialism with Chinese characteristics (in our opinion, NEP). Maybe this is the whole reason? repeat
  10. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 19 May 2020 21: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: senima56
    We survived ... Previously, they themselves built floating docks for export, even for capitalist countries, but now we bow to the Chinese! "It's a shame for the state!"

    laughing When were they built? I note that before the war in the Soviet Navy there was an acute shortage of floating docks. And the civilian navy did not have them either by 1940 or by 1945. Most of the captured docks were decommissioned by 2012. ... At the Warnow shipyard in Warnemünde and the Thezen shipyard in Wismar, ships were built for the USSR to pay reparations. laughing
  11. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 19 May 2020 21: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: Pvi1206
    Russia itself must build such facilities ...

    You probably have ready-made technology? And the staff is trained?
    1. MAA_66
      MAA_66 21 May 2020 00: 22 New
      +1
      It is expensive and not profitable. Even the USSR needed only two of these docks - in the north and the far east. And the USSR ordered, but he didn’t build, where is the RF? And they were needed by the USSR because the aircraft carriers came up with a plan to build, but they naturally need to be docked.
  12. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 19 May 2020 21: 27 New
    0
    Quote: lonely
    Quote: senima56
    We survived ... Previously, they themselves built floating docks for export, even for capitalist countries, but now we bow to the Chinese! "It's a shame for the state!"

    (D) an effective economy in all its glory

    the devastation is probably with you. laughing
  13. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 19 May 2020 21: 32 New
    +1
    The Zvezda shipbuilding complex is being created by a consortium of investors led by Rosneft. During the construction of the shipyard, fundamentally new technological solutions are applied that will allow it to become one of the most modern shipbuilding industries in the world. The construction of the Zvezda shipbuilding complex is carried out in two stages. The objects of the first extended lineup were put into operation: a block of hull production, paint booths, an open heavy outfitting slipway with a fleet of unique cranes and an advanced ship-transport system, a transport-transfer dock. Actually the most labor-intensive and technically complex fore and aft sections of the head hull under construction at SSK The “star” of the Vladimir Monomakh tanker of project 114K (building number 131010) was manufactured by the South Korean company Hyundai Samho Heavy Industries (part of Hyundai Heavy Industries Corporation) in Samkh o-Jupe (Yongam) and delivered to Big Stone by sea. At SSK Zvezda, only cargo sections of the hull were manufactured. The process of complete localization of the construction of tankers at the Zvezda SSK will take place gradually and will take an estimated minimum of four years.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 21: 35 New
      -1
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      During the construction of the shipyard, fundamentally new technological solutions are applied that will allow it to become one of the most modern shipbuilding industries in the world.

      Are these comrades building that they drowned the floating dock? what
      1. smart fellow
        smart fellow 19 May 2020 22: 57 New
        0
        Chinese firms built, and the project is South Korean. Everything is seized here, locals are not allowed near: Zvezda shipbuilding complex began cutting metal for the third tanker of the Aframax type in the deadweight of 114 thousand tons.
    2. IC
      IC 21 May 2020 01: 53 New
      +1
      Forget these slogans - localization and import substitution. The main thing is to build quickly and cheaply. World shipbuilding is an object of international cooperation.
  14. Antokha
    Antokha 19 May 2020 21: 37 New
    0
    For some reason, I had the feeling that even if ours would have wanted to buy it from the Chinese, the Chinese would not have sold it. Just because they already have enough money, but to demonstrate to Russia that it is nobody else, and now China really wants everything, judging by their behavior over the past couple of years.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 23: 55 New
      -2
      Quote: Anton
      For some reason, I had the feeling that even if ours would have wanted to buy it from the Chinese, the Chinese would not have sold it.

      It’s just that the Chinese offered us to build a bridge to the Crimea two times cheaper.
      1. Antokha
        Antokha 21 May 2020 10: 54 New
        0
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        It’s just that the Chinese offered us to build a bridge to the Crimea two times cheaper.

        The bridge is a purely civil matter, and in the military sphere, China still has a wounded pride, and precisely in relation to us. They use and copy exactly our developments, and the image of shameless rippers of someone else, who cannot do it themselves, hangs over them. It seems to me that if the Chinese begin to surpass us in military technology, they will at first demonstratively give us nothing, and then they will, like everyone else, protect only new technologies. However, they may want to sell us their developments to say "now the Russians are buying ours, so and so" they may also want to for the same reasons. Wait and see.
  15. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 19 May 2020 21: 37 New
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    https://youtu.be/t3klN_fv4i4 . Давайте поплачьте ,повойте все и сразу захотели ,а так не бывает. laughing
  16. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 19 May 2020 21: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    During the construction of the shipyard, fundamentally new technological solutions are applied that will allow it to become one of the most modern shipbuilding industries in the world.

    Are these comrades building that they drowned the floating dock? what

    Not having had time to begin his service, already in 1980, the floating ship arrived in the Northern Fleet after one serious technological accident, one sea disaster and two very serious repairs. The security and control system on it was most likely dismantled by Soviet repairmen. laughing
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 21: 47 New
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      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      most likely, it was dismantled by Soviet repairmen.

      Do not whistle. Just in the USSR there were some of the most severe TB.
      1. Grigory_78
        Grigory_78 20 May 2020 02: 13 New
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        "The severity of the laws is compensated by the non-binding nature of their execution" - remember that? I think TB was no better. "Women are still giving birth" - not out of the blue, alas. Although yes, in Soviet times, everyone went to jail for this, and sometimes they cut off the highest measure. And now - "crap", and no one is to blame. It itself ...
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 20 May 2020 11: 37 New
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          Quote: Gregory_78
          in Soviet times, they all went to jail for this, and sometimes they took away the highest measure. And now - "crap", and no one is to blame. It itself ..

          In Soviet times - "we all came out of the people, children of a working family ..."
          Now -
          “In my presence, foreign employees are very rare;
          More and more sisters, sister-in-law of the child;

          One Molchalin is not mine,
          And then what business. "
          Therefore, missiles are falling and docks are drowning .... Even the Mafia is horrified by such a correspondence:
          (He’s from the age of 35, and he runs the diamonds of Yakutia! Well, what a child prodigy, well, it’s direct Suvorov in the economy! Or, for example, having sold a stool, the Ministry of Defense should be steered --- yes easily! fellow )
    2. IC
      IC 21 May 2020 01: 56 New
      +1
      The cost of ships at the new shipyard is 1,5 times more expensive for many reasons than in China and South Korea
  17. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 19 May 2020 22: 04 New
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    Given the pace of construction and the availability of warships, the Chinese themselves will benefit from this PD. They will build 3 pieces for themselves, and then for export.
  18. rocket757
    rocket757 19 May 2020 23: 13 New
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    What is there to discuss. By sighing regret, envy and .... business must be dealt with, important, paramount! And we have how many.
  19. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 20 May 2020 02: 54 New
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    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    most likely, it was dismantled by Soviet repairmen.

    Do not whistle. Just in the USSR there were some of the most severe TB.

    Did they also arrange Soviet TB?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 06: 02 New
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      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Did they also arrange Soviet TB?

      Experiment. According to Gorbachev's clown mottos about self-financing, self-sufficiency, and so on. They wanted to get more energy, and cut off the entire AZ.
  20. Plowman
    Plowman 20 May 2020 07: 00 New
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    Yes, the Chinese can do anything. And 40 (!!) years ago, steel was melted in clay ovens and walked in straw hats ... Democrats completed the mission of the CIA, halted the development of the USSR, and then collapsed. During this time, 10 million people of the Russian Federation alone perished in the millstones of perestroika. And they have nothing. Hello.
    1. IC
      IC 21 May 2020 02: 00 New
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      Stop recalling the USSR. Nowhere does anyone live in the past. You live in a new state. So solve the current development problems.
      1. viktor_ui
        viktor_ui 21 May 2020 06: 03 New
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        No, we won’t forget either the USSR or those who stole it from us ... don’t even dream.
  21. IC
    IC 21 May 2020 01: 21 New
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    Dock weight of TAKR Admiral Kuznetsov has a dock weight of 50000 tons, a length of more than 300 m.
    Learn materiel and do not have to fantasize.
  22. Pavel57
    Pavel57 21 May 2020 12: 20 New
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    Previously, cruisers were bought in the States, Italy and Germany. Which of these?


    Hey, minus people, write down what are the cons?