Polish general called the modernization of the T-72 to the level of T-72B3 modern

Russia is modernizing the Soviet armaments tanks T-72, bringing them to the modern level, while Poland has not been able to do anything with similar tanks for 30 years, instead of modernizing doing “powdering shit”. This statement was made by the Polish general Waldemar Skrzypczak in an interview with the portal Kresy, writes RT.

According to the general, by the end of the year, the Russian army will receive more than 120 seriously modernized T-72B3M tanks, which also go into service with the Belarusian military. At the same time, for the past 30 years, the Polish military has only promised to modernize the T-72 tanks in service, but they can’t offer anything, since Poland "has no potential."

This follows from the fact that the decisions that Russia applies at home are effective, among other things, on their potential Western front, that is, in Eastern Europe. The modernization of the T-72 is very deep and significantly strengthens the strengths of this tank. What we call modernization is essentially “dusting shit,” as General Buk once said. This is no upgrade!

- emphasizes the former commander of the Polish ground forces, who himself is a tanker.

As a way out of this situation, the general proposes to conclude a contract for the assembly in Poland of foreign tanks, which in the future replaced the Soviet T-72s in the troops. As such a tank, Skshipchak suggests choosing the American Abrams and assembling 450-550 tanks at Polish enterprises.

You should definitely forget about the modernization of our T-72, because we will not carry it out. We are not able to conduct it in such a way that this tank fulfills the expectations of the army (...)

- he said.

Comments

[Igor Borisov_2]

They all see when they become ex ....

[olegfbi]

Not even that. The populist delirium he carries!

Skshipchak suggests choosing the American "Abrams"

At the European Theater and Abrams ...
Well, just for logistics and weight and size characteristics.
The latest versions of Abrams weigh more than 76 tons with a width of more than 3,6 m.!
Yes, it is corny on the European and / or Russian railway platform is impossible to put. I am already silent about marches along the narrow roads and bridges of Europe ...
Abrams is good at large and open spaces, he wanted to write in the desert, but remembered that he had problems with the operation of turbines in sand and dust and, accordingly, with the reliability of the power plant.
Well, something like this.

[neri73-r]

Quote: olegfbi

At the European Theater and Abrams ...

You probably confused with Merkava? Yes, just Abrams was created primarily for the European theater.

[olegfbi]

Maybe confused ... I will not argue.
Just for comparison, the T-72:
Combat weight - 41 - 42 tons
The width on the screens is 3,46 m.
Cruising on the highway - 700 km.
Other characteristics are comparable.

[neri73-r]

Quote: olegfbi

Maybe confused ... I will not argue.
Just for comparison, the T-72:
Combat weight - 41 - 42 tons
The width on the screens is 3,46 m.
Cruising on the highway - 700 km.
Other characteristics are comparable.

So their concept was not offensive, but defensive. Well, like, defend yourself against the Soviet armored tanks on the European theater of operations. An analogue of anti-tank self-propelled guns.

[olegfbi]

So their concept was not offensive, but defensive.

They have, in the sense of amers, a defensive position ??? !!!
As they say in Odessa - Do not tell my slippers!

[neri73-r]

Quote: olegfbi

So their concept was not offensive, but defensive.

They have, in the sense of amers, a defensive position ??? !!!
As they say in Odessa - Do not tell my slippers!

Yes! In the days of the USSR, the Amers did not shine on the European theater of operations with conventional weapons. Remember the T-80U if, I’m not mistaken, something like two days was given to the exit to the Lamansh.

[olegfbi]

two days were given on an exit to Lamansh

There was such a topic.
But there was one more moment. The tank division was designed for 45 - 50 minutes of battle!
After this time there were 2 options:
1. Division destroyed
2. Spent fuel and ammunition.
In any case, the division is NOT combat ready.
And so, 48 hours before La Manche, on the staff cards were.

[neri73-r]

Quote: olegfbi

After this time there were 2 options:
1. Division destroyed
2. Spent fuel and ammunition.

So for sure, but only if she fought a long combined arms battle! And if they broke through and entered the operational space ......, then the main thing is speed, breaking local resistance on the go, bypassing fortified areas, etc. ...

[olegfbi]

It is truth too!

[Topol M]

Not slippers, but bells

[Doliva63]

Quote: neri73-r

Quote: olegfbi

Maybe confused ... I will not argue.
Just for comparison, the T-72:
Combat weight - 41 - 42 tons
The width on the screens is 3,46 m.
Cruising on the highway - 700 km.
Other characteristics are comparable.

So their concept was not offensive, but defensive. Well, like, defend yourself against the Soviet armored tanks on the European theater of operations. An analogue of anti-tank self-propelled guns.

Yes, it's scales. They would have managed to transfer a lot of tanks to ETVD in a couple of days, if all of a sudden you think these armada attack?

[neri73-r]

Quote: Doliva63

Yes, it's scales. They would have managed to transfer a lot of tanks to ETVD in a couple of days, if all of a sudden you think these armada attack?

And why throw them, they were there in those days.

[Doliva63]

Quote: neri73-r

Quote: Doliva63

Yes, it's scales. They would have managed to transfer a lot of tanks to ETVD in a couple of days, if all of a sudden you think these armada attack?

And why throw them, they were there in those days.

With the number of tanks they could not interfere with our hypothetical plans

[Wolf]

For a European theater with 76 tons and 3,6 m wide? Do not tell, it is for Europe like the Lincoln Continental machine, if there are no others here.

[bistrov.]

Quote: neri73-r

confused with Merkava?

The "Merkava" never had a turbine engine, and if you made a mistake, then not much, the M1 2C version is 3650 wide and weighs 64 tons, it obviously won't fit on a railway platform, and a special conveyor is needed for transportation on highways.
Yes, and "Abrams" is not produced now, the Pole is clearly late, if only to buy used earphones from storage.

[Grandfather]

Quote: olegfbi

The latest versions of Abrams weigh more than 76 tons with a width of more than 3,6 m.!

Did they put reinforced concrete blocks on it?

[olegfbi]

Well, who knows?
Apparently just a pursuit of increased security, to the detriment of other characteristics.
I really don’t know

[5-9]

The security of all western MBTs is worse (especially from the side-behind-the-top) of their peers from the USSR / RF .... large reserved volume ... for equal security they should weigh not 60-65, but 75-80 tons

[neri73-r]

Quote: Dead Day

Did they put reinforced concrete blocks on it?

Quote: olegfbi

Well, who knows? laughing
Apparently just a pursuit of increased security, to the detriment of other characteristics.
I really don’t know

Large reserved volume. Compare the silhouettes of Abrams and T- (64/72/80/90).

[Grandfather]

in general, the "Polish general" is so-so "adequate":

Polish General Waldemar Skrzypczak “did not rule out” on behalf of NATO a nuclear strike against Russia. But the main thing is to ensure that the parties exchange nuclear strikes on the territory of Ukraine

There was such a phenomenon in ancient times - a naked pan. This was a fairly numerous category of "free" gentry in the Commonwealth, who, due to their poverty, did not have either land or peasants and were hired as servants or as military slaves to more mozny and potentzhny masters. But at the same time, from the excess of their independent ambition, they shouted and shook their sabers louder than anyone else, and due to the lack of motivation, the right one faithfully wagged its tails in front of the tycoon giving bread.

Who is Uncle Sam and I?

Here, exactly in the role of a similar "pan-clap" - in Polish you can say sługus - the Polish general Waldemar Skrzypczak has just appeared. In an interview with Wirtualna Polska under the characteristic title "Poland is a front-line state. We ourselves will not win the war with Russia," he announced that it was "militarily justified" if the United States launched a nuclear strike on Russia. Even if Poland itself is the first victim of such a scenario.

The retired Polish general, whose surname is translated, by the way, as "Violinist", does not grieve much about this:

We will not have illusions. Poland is a front-line state, so it will always be a territory of clashes, as it was during the Warsaw Pact. Then the Americans intended to stop the Red Army in Poland with nuclear attacks. Now, too, there are such plans if Putin strikes. For us Poles, such a scenario, of course, is unacceptable. But if the war starts, no one will ask our opinion. We will not change our geographical location.

What a brave, courageous golotovy pan! He is ready to sacrifice Poland, as during the Warsaw Pact! True, not a single historian will remember a single clash in what was then Poland - with the exception of those that the Poles themselves organized against their own state.

And a professional general should be ashamed to jump as a funny clown over the facts of history. For the "Red Army" in Poland was nothing more than the protection of the rear of a powerful Soviet military grouping in the GDR: it is enough to compare the number of troops of the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany (GSVG) of 500 thousand people and 7 thousand tanks with the Northern Group of Forces based in Poland of 50 thousand military and 600 tanks. That's why the Americans only bombed Poland and had to, when in case of war, Russian tanks in three days were already on the Rhine! And then the plans of the Americans were much less ambitious: in the Fulda area to detonate atomic mines in order to detain these same tanks on the Vogelsberg and Spessart passes for the evacuation of Frankfurt am Main, and then to blow up the rocks on the banks of the Rhine to prevent the Russian armada from crossing this river.

And now, in his interview, Waldemar Skshipchak replaced that FRG with his current Poland. It is on its land that the "motsny pan" from across the ocean will have to stop the new Russian "aggression". And for the sake of such a master, it will not be weak for the servant Valdemar to dive into the fountain. Even if nuclear

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[ROSS_51]

Quote: Dead Day

True, not a single historian will remember a single clash on the territory of then-Poland, with the exception of those that the Poles themselves arranged against their own state.

[Revolver]

Quote: neri73-r

Large reserved volume. Compare the silhouettes of Abrams and T- (64/72/80/90).

Well, in T, starting with 64, an automatic loader, and in M1 Negro, ah, sorry African American basketball growth with pumped muscles, to shells to drag. And what more space will take? Again, the automatic volume of air for breathing is not necessary. Here is the difference in the reserved volume and, accordingly, the external dimensions, and the size of the target.
True, when I cited the same argument in an English-language forum, I received a killer counterargument in response: when a caterpillar is killed, will the automatic loader help you repair it?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Nagan

when the caterpillar is killed, will the automatic loader help you to repair it?

And if a black man is killed, who will repair the goose?
Ai-ya-yay! They killed the black man, they killed the black man ....

[Bad_gr]

Quote: neri73-r

Compare the silhouettes of Abrams and T- (64/72/80/90)

[not main]

Quote: olegfbi

Yes, it is corny on the European and / or Russian railway platform is impossible to put. I am already silent about marches along the narrow roads and bridges of Europe ...

So let them put into service! But after putting the logistics in order, our tanks will pass through any bridge and deploy in any street!

[Paul Siebert]

Quote: olegfbi

Not even that. The populist delirium he carries!

Skshipchak suggests choosing the American "Abrams"

At the European Theater and Abrams ...
Well, just for logistics and weight and size characteristics.
The latest versions of Abrams weigh more than 76 tons with a width of more than 3,6 m.!
Yes, it is corny on the European and / or Russian railway platform is impossible to put. I am already silent about marches along the narrow roads and bridges of Europe ...
Abrams is good at large and open spaces, he wanted to write in the desert, but remembered that he had problems with the operation of turbines in sand and dust and, accordingly, with the reliability of the power plant.
Well, something like this.

You cannot explain to these Polish generals that the Abrams is not suitable for the European theater of operations.
The lackey consciousness does not allow us to realize that this monster will not pass through the narrow European streets, and not every bridge will withstand it.
When the notorious gowno is in the head of the Polish generals, you can’t prove anything to this generality ...

[Thrifty]

Uk-rointsev to help, they take you to upgrade the tanks there that will remember a century! The main thing is, the Yankees ass lick-gather at home ! If there is a shortage of brains to modernize the T72, what abrams and who will trust you to collect? ??

[Bomb]

They will trust, but not abrams, but something simpler from striped deposits. Naturally for $. All the same, these tanks will be scrap metal anyway in the future.

[Thrall]

Can the Poles then buy a BT-7 license instead of Abrams?

[V.I.P.]

Abrams in Egypt collect. In Poland, I am sure the production culture is higher. T-72s were assembled in Poland and Abrams will be assembled. They just get rid of everything Soviet. Well, except for Abrams, only Leopard 2A7 could be chosen. Yes, the Germans will not sell the license.

[Grandfather]

Quote: V.I.P.

Abrams in Egypt collect. In Poland, I am sure the production culture is higher. T-72s were assembled in Poland and Abrams will be assembled. They just get rid of everything Soviet. Well, except for Abrams, only Leopard 2A7 could be chosen. Yes, the Germans will not sell the license.

The Germans will definitely not give, but "Abramov" ... but let them collect ... so what? only at the end, there is no need to leave such a "state" as Poland. make an apple orchard ... big.

[antivirus]

and the Mongols agree to live in an apple orchard?

[sabakina]

It will be interesting to see how they build the Abrams factory from scratch ...

[tagil]

Abrams in Egypt collect.

But after all, the production of abrams in the United States has been discontinued, and for a long time. If I'm not mistaken, in America there is only one tank repair plant. And then where does Egypt get the accessories to the abrash from?

[ROSS_51]

Quote: V.I.P.

Abrams in Egypt collect. In Poland, I am sure the production culture is higher. T-72s were assembled in Poland and Abrams will be assembled. They just get rid of everything Soviet. Well, except for Abrams, only Leopard 2A7 could be chosen. Yes, the Germans will not sell the license.

Who is there getting rid of? What kind of shisha? They can’t upgrade free-standing Leopards (at the same time and repair), and you seriously take the wet dreams of some retired general.

[Break through]

Americos will trash them and they will be happy

[Grandfather]

Quote: Break through

Americos will trash them and they will be happy

not Meehan, they want to collect their own "screwdriver" -type!

[Tuzik]

it’s for sure not to see abrams to the Poles, at best, m60 in the desert they dig up and boil at the price of f35

[orionvitt]

they only promise to modernize the T-72 tanks in service, but they cannot offer anything, since Poland "has no potential."

Yeah, that means there is no potential for those in service, but for

proposes to choose the American "Abrams" and assemble 450-550 tanks at Polish enterprises.

there is potential. Who do they hang noodles for? Or they think that if they declared themselves "at the forefront of deterring the Russian threat in Europe," the owners will give them 500 Abrams tanks.

[knn54]

"Pseudo-modernism", however.
And the "Yankes" do not need competitors.

[Beringovsky]

Here is the news so the news!
One-piece General and even Polish! Authority !!!
Bravo VO

[Pavel73]

Let's! Forward! The more American tanks you make, and most importantly, the more money you spend on it, the better for us. For if something, then we will not bring down you in any case tanks.

[Incvizitor]

dusting shit

and what kind of shit? are they unflattering so about their PL 01? There are no other Polish tanks, although this essentially is not.

[Wolf]

Huta Staleva Wola was probably the best heavy equipment manufacturer in Eastern Europe. Polaki could make good armored vehicles. But are they "democratized" like Ukraine and today they do it only under a license or just assembly? What happened to Hoot?

[cniza]

Skshipchak suggests choosing the American Abrams as such a tank and assembling 450-550 tanks at Polish enterprises.

Well, of course, as without a master ...

[Viktor Sergeev]

Abrams in Poland, well, it's like a whale in a river. Although let them buy, and more, this tank perfectly destroys the armed forces of the country in which it serves, it is not for nothing that the Greeks refused a gift of a thousand of these coffins.

[svp67]

Sksipchak proposes to choose the American Abrams and assemble 450-550 tanks at Polish enterprises.

All the same, ASSEMBLING, not MANUFACTURING ... They would still be offered fuel for them to buy from the USA, and then in general Poland will become "the most beloved wife" ...

[Fishery]

Poles need to be sent to Ukraine for disassembly, and let them buy Leo

[Gennady Fomkin]

What we call modernization is, in fact, "dusting up shit," as General Buk once said. It's straightforward in a soldier's way.

[APASUS]

And what did the Americans promise to the Poles just to give kits for assembling 450-550 Abrams tanks? On the one hand, the Polish general Waldemar Skshipczak seems to think correctly:

For 30 years Poland has not been able to do anything with similar tanks, instead of modernizing it, doing "dusting up shit."

And on the other hand, some fantasies again

[iouris]

The main question did not receive coverage: do they need tanks for Drang nach Osten together with the Reich, or do they still need to have arguments against Berlin?

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Only Abrams !!!! Leopards - this is the danger of returning the lands transferred by Stalin, Merkavas - they will not forgive the Holocaust, Armata - that generally an eternal occupier, Chinese - the danger of influenza for pigs, birds ... yes coronavirus as an additional function ... Only Abrams !!! The most democratic tanks in the world "" "))))

[7,62x54]

The Psheks were good at serving the fascists, and fertilize the gardens with ashes from the burnt prisoners of concentration camps. And so they never wanted to fight or work, they didn’t know how. Still go to the hump zarobitchan. Yes, dusting.

[Metlik]

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Quote: 7,62x54

The Psheks were good at serving the fascists

Poles? Did you serve the fascists? Something I have not heard. But together with the red army they fought. And forget that we were allies too.

[Prometheus]

If you have not heard something, then this does not mean that this was not. On the side of Nazi Germany, the Poles fought more than on the side of the USSR. About half a million Poles from Upper Silesia and Pomerania passed through the German armed forces. Also, the Poles were part of four SS divisions, one SS brigade was completely Polish. A few tens of thousands served in the police.

[Revolver]

Quote: Metlik

together with the red army they fought.

And against the Red Army, too. Craiova’s army in Poland was like Bandera’s in Ukraine, they shot in the back from the same angle, attacked patrols, and set up explosions and arson. And then they were even indignant that when they raised a butch against the Germans in Warsaw, the Russians supposedly intentionally looked across the Vistula River as the Germans crushed them with tanks. The fact that the troops were exhausted for months of offensive battles and did not have the strength and means to force the Vistula did not wave them.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The Polish general says everything is right.

Poland does not have the opportunity to modernize Soviet tanks, since it is necessary not only to hang a new DZ on the tank and put a thermal imager, but also to change the gun and set up the release of new ammunition, primarily sub-caliber shells. Poland cannot do all this, few resources.

But to agree on the assembly of tanks even Abramsov is quite realistic. They will buy 35 F-35s, they will buy 400 Abrams, they only need 6 billion dollars for this, they will master it.

[zwlad]

Pralna. Let the abrams buy. And the T-72 must be bought at the price of scrap, modernized and sold. Iran, for example, or Iraq, or both.

[75 Sergey]

Poland is trying to become a US outpost in Europe and is afraid of competition from Ukraine.
I don’t know what kind of bucks Speech buys F-35, but you can see the money.
This situation can be changed only if Russia becomes a strong power, and not only in terms of armaments, but also in terms of improving the standard of living of citizens, but not to the detriment of defense (unfortunately, at the moment we have lost mobilization potential).
Poland, this hyena (as well as all the former ones), which eats scraps from the master's table and who has more such scraps, will lie under it, and we have sucking with scraps, we don’t have enough, but this does not mean that we owe them give everything at bargain prices, then the lackeys will think a lot about themselves.

[Slavun_tankist]

Well, where will they get 2,5 billion for the American desert Cadillacs? This is with a minimum assessment) How much does it cost to start a conveyor in buildings? And the money for operating costs? In general, purely theoretically, I would like to look at the estimate for production and everything related to 400 Abrams in the variation of M1A2 SEP V.3

[Lord of the Sith]

Poland has been unable to do anything with similar tanks for 30 years, instead of modernizing it is doing "dusting shit"

Hahah, this is five, as self-critical))
Let foreign policy be called "throwing shit", themselves "shit-eaters", since such a booze has already started))

[Volder]

They cannot upgrade existing tanks, but they can produce new tanks. That is, production from scratch is easier for them. This is strange.

[Al_lexx]

And in my opinion, the Polish general is trivially busy on the rollback account. With modernization, they are unlikely to be allowed to steal, and the amount is several times less.

[Thompson]

Pshek they pzhek and there is, who will let them build Abrams in POLAND?
Obviously something like these applicants

[5-9]

Zradniki-podniki ... Germans subsidize you within the EU, but instead of buying Leoprad pizza from you overseas Abrams want ... and by the way, there won't be any new ones, will there be any pizza from the market?
Well, the very idea of ​​purchasing 2 MBT with the same performance characteristics is from a big mind.