The success of the operation against the Haftar forces is associated with the use of aircraft - Turkish channels


Turkish media outlets describe the defeat of the Libyan National Army (LNA) of Marshal Khalifa Haftar at Al-Vatiy Air Base, south of Tripoli. Turkish television reports say that the success of the operation against Haftar’s troops is related to the use of funds aviation.


It is noted that shock drones were used to shell the LNA airbase from the air. Eyewitnesses report at least a dozen UAVs used. What exactly were these drones is not called. However, we can assume that we are talking about the Turkish UAV "Bayraktar". The Turkish military contingent in Libya previously lost several such unmanned aids. According to some reports, they were destroyed by the Pantsir ZRPK, delivered to the country from the United Arab Emirates. On the eve it became known that one of such complexes itself became a trophy of forces controlled by Fayez Saraj. In turn, Saraj in this war supports Ankara.

Turkish media say that aviation also attacked the forces of Khalifa Haftar retreating from Al-Vatiya. In particular, a convoy of VLA vehicles was fired at in the area of ​​the village of Tichi on the border with Tunisia.

Meanwhile, the Sarajah government said that "the putschists got what they deserve." According to the Libyan Prime Minister, "the territories that were illegally held by the putschists led by Haftar were liberated."

Recall that earlier in the media there was information about the transfer to Libyan territory not only of the militants from Syrian Idlib, who are suspected of being controlled by the Turkish special services, but also of soldiers of Turkish special forces. It was these forces that became the shock fist that attacked the LNA positions in Al-Vatiya after using unmanned aerial vehicles.
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  1. Sky strike fighter 19 May 2020 10: 57 New
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    Advertising of Erdogan’s son-in-law drones. Already under a hundred they were shot down in Syria and Libya, and they all praise them. Yes, each at such a cost that it’s easier to buy fighters for this money.
    The Turkish army is actively using unmanned aerial vehicles Bayraktar TB2 in the sky over the Syrian Arab Republic and Libya. A year ago, a little more than 200 of these UAVs were in service with Turkey, and now they are half as many.
    The Russian air defense systems Pantsir-S, Osa, Kvadrat and Buk successfully protect the Syrian and Libyan skies from uninvited guests - Turkish Bayraktar TB2 battle drones. The information and analytical magazine Slovo i Delo citing Avia.pro reports that only Buki shot down more than 30 UAVs in Turkey in Syria and destroyed about the same amount other systems. The remaining losses among UAVs Bayraktar TB2, which is about 40 units, Turkey suffered in Libya.

    https://polit.info/495140-turciya-za-god-poteryala-v-sirii-i-livii-bolshe-poloviny-svoih-bpla
    1. Kronos 19 May 2020 11: 08 New
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      Well, destroyed, so what? The result is better shot down drones than planes and dead pilots
      1. KCA
        KCA 19 May 2020 11: 35 New
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        The more they are destroyed, the less Ukrofashists will be able to buy, so there is a benefit
        1. Kronos 19 May 2020 11: 38 New
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          They will buy business in another country
          1. KCA
            KCA 19 May 2020 11: 51 New
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            Not every country will sell shock drones in 404, from where they can get an unknown taste, even to Russia
      2. Blackmokona 19 May 2020 11: 37 New
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        Loss of UAVs and other robotics as ammunition consumption, no one shed tears about the spent ammunition in the war?
        1. Alexey G 19 May 2020 15: 23 New
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          Even as it pours! This is someone's babos!
      3. Alexey G 19 May 2020 15: 21 New
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        Destroyed, it means damage to the economy, and this is a good achievement in the conditions of the economic crisis! In addition, the weaknesses of the new weapons are revealed! Russia gained interesting experience and learned to cope with this means of struggle.
        And it's too early to talk about the results. Yes, there are tactical successes, but will Turkey bring victory in the war?
        Hitler also had success in the early summer of 1941, but in the winter it turned out that there was not enough money and there was nothing to take Moscow!
        In addition, a nation that is hiding behind unmanned vehicles and is afraid of casualties in people is generally not viable in my opinion! Israel, for example, is actively using manned aircraft and very successful!
        1. Kronos 19 May 2020 15: 22 New
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          In general, the future for unmanned vehicles from tanks and exoskeletons to aviation and the navy Hitler and the economy have nothing to do with the emergence of a new effective type of troops, it must be developed and not rested on its laurels
          1. Alexey G 19 May 2020 15: 25 New
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            This is a very controversial statement! Maybe after many years, when people forget how to walk, and now all these drones are just expensive toys, knocked down by a wasp and a needle
            1. Kronos 19 May 2020 15: 58 New
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              UAVs are already winning so it's not a toy
        2. KARAKURT15 19 May 2020 18: 28 New
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          And you compare the losses of Hitler and the losses of the USSR. Have you compared? Now compare the standard of living of the grandchildren of Hitler and the grandchildren of the USSR. Have you compared? Now compare on what the grandchildren of Hitler ride and what the grandchildren of the USSR ride on. And do not forget to compare benefits, social support and wealth of WWII participants on this and on this side.
    2. donavi49 19 May 2020 11: 33 New
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      Well, the question is, in fulfilling the task.

      Let's be honest in Syria, they dig UAVs, stopped the attack and ensured a fairly strong counterattack by the Baboons. And back had to return a lot of blood. The same military commanders ANNA and Poddubny later openly said that the first days, the local soldiers were shocked and it was a miracle that there was no mass exodus.

      In Libya - again, the task is completed. At first, they cut down the western claw that hung over Tripoli and threatened with a double assault on the city, which they probably would not have survived. Then they completely cleared the highway to Tunisia. Then they ensured a number of significant counterattacks near Tripoli, knocking the LNA from important bridgeheads and points, improving the situation. Now they are clearing the entire west of Libya.

      As for the losses, well, you forget that the emirate WingLongs are also falling quite actively. This is a new reality - where it does not matter how many UAVs are shot down, it is important how they affect the stability of the troops and whether or not the defense / offensive succeeds.

      As for the shells, according to LostArmor 3 pieces are lost.
      1 - there are already pictures everywhere. The second one is in this hangar - it’s not clear why he put it so that it folded, obviously not MAM-L:




      Another is scattered around Sirte (this is the other end of the PNS possessions) where there was also a small successful offensive.
      https://twitter.com/Lyobserver/status/1262501113103818754

      There, after arrival, some interesting KUNG was thrown (the Turks write Krasuha).

      https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1262443205129375747
      1. Sky strike fighter 19 May 2020 11: 36 New
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        Yes, but as soon as the air defense brought closer to Idlib, these drones rained down from the sky. Yes, and they are armed not God knows how. But the price tag is prohibitive on them. And for what? For this here.
        Bayraktar TB2 is armed with small MAM-L air-to-surface missiles. The mass of one MAM-L rocket is only 22 kilograms. The munition is equipped with a laser homing head. Bayraktar TB2 can reach speeds of up to 220 kilometers per hour, and its range is 150 kilometers.

        Anka-S can carry up to 200 kilograms of payload. The range of the device is 200 kilometers.
        1. donavi49 19 May 2020 11: 48 New
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          Well, an arrival of 22 kg in a combat unit is more than enough. And the video is pretty much.

          Price - less than F-16 / Su-25/34 with a pilot on the same mission wink . And this is the main point.

          In such wars, where there is no layered air defense, aviation, highly motivated and disciplined l / s UAVs can do terrible things. For their survival is acceptable. And being under the blows + rumors / negotiations, as someone was burned from the sky, a weak l / s is strongly demotivated. As a result, this leads to mass races from positions.
          1. Alexey G 19 May 2020 15: 30 New
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            The price may be less, but it’s easier to bring them down, so the losses are higher and the price is higher!
      2. KCA
        KCA 19 May 2020 11: 42 New
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        When did the armor begin to do this on the tracked chassis? In the second photo. On the 3rd, in my opinion, the diesel generator is
        1. donavi49 19 May 2020 11: 44 New
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          This is the MAN chassis - this is the place on the living Carapace.

          1. KCA
            KCA 19 May 2020 11: 49 New
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            Yes, it seems that just the disk in the photo somehow looks like a tracked roller
            1. donavi49 19 May 2020 11: 55 New
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              Rubber burned out. Just the disk is of the same model as the MAN with a sharp edge and bolts in a circle.
          2. Malyuta 19 May 2020 12: 13 New
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            Quote: donavi49
            This is the MAN chassis - this is the place on the living Carapace.

            Indeed, it is the chassis of MAN.
            Initially, the party is about 20 pcs. was put to the sheikhs on the KAMAZ + chassis with a defect. Then there was a return with the condition of correcting those. marriage and reinstallation on the MAN chassis. hi
          3. Oquzyurd 19 May 2020 12: 55 New
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            More wheels are the same
      3. Civil 19 May 2020 12: 11 New
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        9 years ago, here at VO, they massively laughed at the BLPA, called the circle of aircraft modeling. Where are you skippers?
        1. loki565 19 May 2020 14: 25 New
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          There is rather a nonsense of air defense. The same shell is transported on a trawl with the radar turned off and not even camouflaged, probably saving a resource))) The captured shell also rolled around the base in a stowed position and drove into the hangar when a Turkish UAV shot it. This video has been walking on the network for two days now.
      4. Pytnik 19 May 2020 12: 35 New
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        And what is the joy ??? Few Syrians seized your Jewish weapons from the bearded? Well, 3 shells, they are not Russian, but the emirates, about Krasukha, the big question is ... hi
    3. Thrifty 19 May 2020 12: 42 New
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      It follows that we greatly underestimate the drones, especially the drums, and greatly overestimated the forces of Haftar.
      1. Alexey G 19 May 2020 15: 44 New
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        Well, what are the advantages of a drone today? It carries few weapons, goes astray with any portable anti-aircraft complex. Is he invisible? NO, impenetrable? NO. SUPER FAST CAN? Also no!
        Do not spread the fears of the natives from the battlefield to us sane people! The massive use of conventional aviation would also bring success to the Turks! The whole difference is that there are no captured Turkish pilots! THAT is the so-called advantage of UAVs!
        But this is not quite a military indicator! The effectiveness of these weapons today compared to conventional aviation is lower!
        A war without the risk of death of soldiers is not a war at all, it is a game of money! Whoever has more will win. Homer and Achilles would laugh now! What is the heroism of the Turks? In joystick control?
        Here in the news they showed that students will take physical education through passing the test in the game counter-strike!
        Where the hell world is heading!
        1. Oquzyurd 19 May 2020 17: 24 New
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          People holding sticks in their hands, then a sword, fought face to face, then invented a rifle, started shooting already from a distance, then guns, rockets .... According to your logic, every time they had to shout -Where the hell is this world going!
    4. pereselenec 19 May 2020 12: 53 New
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      Quote: Sky Strike fighter
      Already under a hundred they were shot down in Syria and Libya, and they all praise them.

      They are created for this purpose, so that they bring down them, and not planes with people.
      1. Alexey G 19 May 2020 15: 47 New
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        You guys don’t understand that if people stop fighting and die in wars, it will mean the death of people as a species! Technology does everything for us! It's time to stop it and not to praise!
        1. kjhg 19 May 2020 16: 17 New
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          Quote: Alexey G
          You guys don’t understand that if people stop fighting and die in wars, it will mean the death of people as a species!

          Do you propose to return to the times of knightly fights? lol
          Quote: Alexey G
          Technology does everything for us! It’s time it will stop and not praise!

          Do you propose to stop evolution? The development of technology, robotics, automation - this is the inevitable path of evolution of mankind. It is necessary not to stop this, but rather, to lead and try to be among the leaders of technological progress.
          1. Alexey G 19 May 2020 16: 37 New
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            It is necessary to progress in other directions. The development of technology in the form as it is now is the path to hell. There is genetic engineering, bioengineering is biotechnology. We must work with organics, with living organisms. And the dead material technique should serve man moderately, and not man live and pray for technology!
            Technocracy is the evolution of technology, not of man! hi
        2. pereselenec 19 May 2020 16: 19 New
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          Quote: Alexey G
          You guys don’t understand that if people stop fighting and die in wars, it will mean the death of people as a species! Technology does everything for us! It's time to stop it and not to praise!


          Why are you destroying humanity? Go die in Syria / Libya. And we, suckers with drones, somehow we ourselves will continue to cope.
          1. Alexey G 19 May 2020 17: 01 New
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            No, you are not suckers, you are fools! What will you do when you don’t have a smartphone, Internet, email. a toothbrush? Can you do anything? Can you?


            1. pereselenec 19 May 2020 17: 12 New
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              Quote: Alexey G
              Technology does everything for us! It’s time it will stop and not praise!

              Quote: Alexey G
              No, you are not suckers, you are fools! What will you do when you don’t have a smartphone, Internet, email. a toothbrush? Can you do anything? Can you?


              Why do you, "craftsman", use a computer and a router to leave these messages on VO instead of scribbling them with a pen on parchment and sending them with pigeons? Why are you hypocritical?
              1. Alexey G 19 May 2020 17: 26 New
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                To reach you you have to use technology, there is no hypocrisy here. In addition, I am not against technology in general, but I think that it is necessary to observe the measure and change the development vector from technology to man and his development! Think about how to make a person stronger, healthier, stronger, increase his life span. A man needs food, water, clean air, healthy children! And technology at the moment has taken the place of God. We worship her and are afraid of viruses! Equipment now goes to work for us, fights, and we sit at home because we cannot strengthen our immunity ourselves, we have become weaker ...
                1. pereselenec 19 May 2020 17: 29 New
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                  Quote: Alexey G
                  technology has now taken the place of God. We worship her

                  Well, immediately stop worshiping technology instead of God.
                  1. Alexey G 19 May 2020 18: 37 New
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                    It’s just that I didn’t do it, but those who replace it everywhere with people, including in war, do it, which gives rise to exploits and heroes! So humanity will lose its heroes, or we will give orders to the Bayrakters or Reptars
                    1. Oquzyurd 20 May 2020 02: 33 New
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                      "including in a war that gives birth to exploits and heroes! So humanity will lose its heroes, or we will give orders to the Bayrakters or the Reptars"))))) Why should they close the embrasure with their breasts, if it is possible to cover it from the air in the trash? Do you miss the WWII, the people who in the hands of a mine threw themselves under the tank? Is it not better to come up with the modern, and who embodied it, to declare a hero?
                      1. Alexey G 21 May 2020 02: 06 New
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                        You see, a war without the risk of being killed is not a war, but a murder. Awarding murderers is vulgar. No, it happens! But an honest man will despise. The enemy must have at least a chance to win! You know, the Spaniards have such an ancient occupation: bullfighting. Imagine if a bull is killed from a sniper from 1000 meters to the head? When does he sleep or eat from a bucket? Would anyone appreciate this?
                        Will it give a reward or will it just be respected? NO. Bullfighter gives a chance to the bull! He skips it many times and dodging and taking off the applause of the public!
                        A soldier is a man ready for death, and taking risks. For this we respect him! Yes, they try to reduce the risks, but if you get the opportunity to avoid them by 100 percent, then this bullshit is complete but not a war. This is an escape from war. Not all of them are able to understand.
                        One needs to be involved in the concept of culture in order to realize this. But here, many do not reach the level of a decent university unfortunately.
                        Of course, the Second World War has nothing to do with it. Man - as a cultural creature should respect himself! But for what? For sitting in a bunker and controlling a joystick? It is doubtful ...
                        Who will we be if we give everything we can do to the technology?
                        Can we increase the piggy bank of purely human achievements if we go to the level of morality?
                      2. Alexey G 21 May 2020 02: 19 New
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                        Do you play computer games? Would they play if they could not kill you there? God mod? Here I am. Without the risk of being defeated, there is no competition, no struggle, no excitement, nothing to remember or even tell loved ones!
        3. SSR
          SSR 19 May 2020 16: 43 New
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          Quote: Alexey G
          You guys don’t understand that if people stop fighting and die in wars, it will mean the death of people as a species!

          Tin!))) Do you think that this is the limit of humanity?)))
          1. Alexey G 19 May 2020 17: 31 New
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            It is not pleasant to realize this, but yes, I see that Covid made everyone hide behind glass and brick. Technology lives a full life, but people do not! And I am part of this process. The movie forecast terminator is no joke ...
            We are all less viable, and the technology is not afraid of flu and terrorist shots!
  2. svp67 19 May 2020 10: 59 New
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    The success of the operation against the Haftar forces is associated with the use of aircraft - Turkish channels
    Something tells me that success is more related to the low stability of Haftar’s troops, who simply didn’t want to fight and ran, although they had the strength and, most importantly, the means to provide decent resistance and this is not a good sign for Haftar
    1. Cyril G ... 19 May 2020 11: 05 New
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      I completely agree with this point of view
    2. Fregate 19 May 2020 11: 11 New
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      They lost the “air”, and then they could simply be shot as if in a dash, even with a UAV, even an artifact with adjustment / guidance from a UAV, whatever their stability.
      1. svp67 19 May 2020 11: 12 New
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        Quote: Fregate
        They lost the air

        But did they even resist that “air”?
    3. no one 19 May 2020 12: 31 New
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      On the Khkhaftar side there are a lot of PMCs and mercenaries from Sudan and Somalia. You should not expect decent resistance from them
  3. knn54 19 May 2020 11: 03 New
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    The cant of Haftar and the UAE- "Armor" had to be deployed, and not stored in a warehouse.
    1. Altona 19 May 2020 11: 15 New
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      Quote: knn54
      Haftar Cant

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      Haftar is just a feudal lord who pays his Landsknecht. There is no payment, no military movements, not that there are maneuvers, let alone victories. His counterpart, however, is the same.
      1. voyaka uh 19 May 2020 11: 37 New
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        The problem is that about a thousand Russians from different PMCs are working for Haftar.
        All those servants of aviation, armored vehicles, cars. And at the forefront:
        sniper fighters, gunners.
        Haftar paid the money of the Emirates to Rogozhin, and he pays his mercenaries.
        1. Altona 19 May 2020 11: 46 New
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          Haftar paid the money of the Emirates to Rogozhin, and he pays his mercenaries.

          --------------------
          Prigogine. Lyosha, in a mild form I veil this way, you reveal all the cards. Well, the Patriots do not want to believe in it. They have chauvinistic frenzy in their eyes. DAM handed over to Gaddafi at the time for a "small share", that is, for the replacement of Libyan gas by Gazprom, and so it started. Then the Kremlin climbed into Syria with military-political support and broke off there too, all the same, oil prices were reset and Qatari gas was shoved into Europe. Our local “marshals” believe in television and draw conclusions directly from the last words of Sheinin and Solovyov, and there is solid Turkish delight.
        2. svp67 19 May 2020 11: 46 New
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          The problem is that about a thousand Russians from different PMCs are working for Haftar.

          Yes? Did anyone else stay in Russia?
          1. voyaka uh 19 May 2020 11: 49 New
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            140 million more remained.
            And what - a thousand military experts, is that a lot?
            1. svp67 19 May 2020 11: 51 New
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              Quote: voyaka uh
              And what - a thousand military experts, is that a lot?

              Sorry, but the numbers somehow determine. So THOUSAND or THOUSAND. The first one is certainly not critical, but the second ...
              1. voyaka uh 19 May 2020 11: 54 New
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                I wrote: "about a thousand." This means: "approximately one thousand."
              2. Altona 19 May 2020 11: 56 New
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                Quote: svp67
                So THOUSAND or THOUSAND.

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                Hundreds of three or four, no more, the rest are “migrant workers”. PMCs do not care where people are recruited.
                1. svp67 19 May 2020 12: 06 New
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                  Quote: Altona
                  Hundreds three or four, no more

                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  This means: "approximately one thousand."

                  During the Soviet era, about five hundred of our specialists and advisers worked in Libya, excluding their family members. But that Libyan army was more numerous and equipped.
                  1. KARAKURT15 19 May 2020 19: 40 New
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                    [/ quote] that Libyan army was more numerous and equipped. [quote]

                    That head of Libya was also not the current ...
        3. Ratmir_Ryazan 19 May 2020 12: 36 New
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          Haftar employs about a thousand Russians from various PMCs


          Enough nonsense about flogging Russian PMCs and thousands of its fighters.

          Where and how to recruit at least 1000 fighters for the war unnoticed ?! Given that 1000 are those who agreed, and the idea should be those who changed their minds.

          I participated in the formation of one of the first contract divisions in Chechnya, so there were problems with recruitment, although for her people were recruited throughout the country, transported by air from the Far East, and they paid enough there with minimal risk. I imagine what it is to recruit people for war. If it were a reality, there would be a bunch of witnesses to this process.

          And then a thousand (regiment) is fighting and no one can really tell anything.
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            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

            Enough nonsense about flogging Russian PMCs and thousands of its fighters.

            To get started, calm down.
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

            And then a thousand (regiment) is fighting and no one can really tell anything.

            If you made a tiny effort and typed in a search engine dead soldiers of Russian PMCsthen you would find dozens of evidence. There are FULL investigations in YouTube. There, weeping family members tell how their son, brother, husband fought in Syria, Libya and show death certificates. The geography of their residence is all of Russia, Donbass, Kazakhstan, etc. And you can continue to continue to not see this and believe the evening wisps, but the situation will not change.
            1. Ratmir_Ryazan 19 May 2020 13: 41 New
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              On YouTube, anyone can upload a video and not the fact that it is not staged. Information, the war against Russia is generously paid.

              Explain to me how people from Kazakhstan, Russia and the Donbass get into Syria? Where is the assembly point for hundreds of people, the base where training and combat smoothing takes place, where are the recruiters?
              1. kjhg 19 May 2020 13: 53 New
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                Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                On YouTube, anyone can upload a video and not the fact that it is not staged.

                This is not a matter of faith. You asked for evidence, I said where it is full. But, as they say, you will not show the blind, you will not tell the deaf.
                Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                Explain to me how people from Kazakhstan, Russia and the Donbass get into Syria? Where is the assembly point for hundreds of people, where are the recruiters?

                Why do you need this? One of the assembly and preparation centers is located next to the Molkino farm in the Krasnodar Territory. But before you get there, you first need to go through a conversation with a special officer, a medical board, sign a contract, and only then you will be sent to Molkino or some other point.
                1. Ratmir_Ryazan 19 May 2020 14: 05 New
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                  This is not a matter of faith. You asked for evidence, I said where it is full.


                  And I told you that this could be a banal performance. They gave money and asked on camera to say what is needed.

                  First time or what ?! In YouTube, there are a lot of revelations of all kinds of "investigators" with lists of Buryat tank regiments, which in reality turned out to be students who never served in the army.

                  One of the assembly and preparation centers is located next to the Molkino farm in the Krasnodar Territory. But before you get there, you first need to go through a conversation with a special officer, a medical board, sign a contract, and only then you will be sent to Molkino or some other point.


                  Is there a video on YouTube about this too? Or something else confirms this?

                  I hope the link will be to the empty lies of some pro-Western media, but to real people who somehow confirm their participation in this.
                  1. kjhg 19 May 2020 14: 09 New
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                    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                    Is there a video on YouTube about this too? Or something else confirms this?

                    I hope the link will be to the empty lies of some pro-Western media, but to real people who somehow confirm their participation in this.

                    Honestly, Ratmir, weary already. Search on the Internet yourself. Well, do not want to, do not believe who forbids you. A former FSB officer spoke about this. A surname like Bogdanov, but I could be mistaken. Also full of journalistic investigations.
                    1. Malyuta 19 May 2020 14: 39 New
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                      Quote: kjhg
                      Search on the Internet yourself. Well, do not want to, do not believe who forbids you.

                      I'm very sorry, Comrade. hi , but it’s generally useless for many to prove anything, they live in a nightingale world specially modeled for them, in which we’ll use “national treasure”, “good old, the rest are thieves”, “if not him, then cat”, “bullfinches ate everyone "and America will die this week after lunch. good laughing
                      1. Ratmir_Ryazan 19 May 2020 20: 06 New
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                        And I see you are ready to believe in any nonsense that pro-Western media and local pseudo-liberals bear.
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                        Ratmir_Ryazan

                        it’s useless to say something with this “conspiracy revealer”. These are stupid clones of Vasilyeva, who buried a Buryat technical school and an Omsk football team disguised as militias in the Donbas. Now they are gnawing a new bone - 1000 killed Russian mercenaries in Syria and Libya
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                That is, first you need to call the special service?
          2. svp67 19 May 2020 15: 10 New
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            There are FULL investigations in YouTube.

            Sorry, but the walls of the sheds are full of different inscriptions, but is it worth it to believe?
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            There, weeping family members tell how their son, brother, husband fought in Syria, Libya and show death certificates.

            Where it is written that they fought in Syria, Libya and died there ... Do not talk nonsense. An employee of PMCs is the same employee as employees of other private companies and you can’t drag them by force or call. People go voluntarily and sign the relevant documents, understanding that their work, and this is precisely the work, carries a great risk to life. And most importantly, most of them are employees of security companies, and some are employees of technical organizations
            1. kjhg 19 May 2020 15: 26 New
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              Sorry, but the walls of the sheds are full of different inscriptions, but is it worth it to believe?

              To do this, some people, but not all, have the ability to logical thinking, which allows them to analyze information and draw conclusions from it.
              Quote: svp67
              Where it is written that they fought in Syria, Libya and died there ...

              About this sobbing tell their relatives. There are plenty of such videos. Here is one of them.
              Quote: svp67
              People go voluntarily and sign the relevant documents, understanding that their work, and this is precisely the work, carries a great risk to life.

              Why are you writing this? Did I claim that they were forced to go to war? Of course they voluntarily go, hoping to earn big money in a short time.
              Quote: svp67
              And most importantly, most of them are employees of security companies, and some are employees of technical organizations

              Does that change the essence? Does it matter to you who they are? Themselves above noticed that the fences are also written.
              1. svp67 19 May 2020 15: 39 New
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                Quote: kjhg
                About this sobbing tell their relatives. There are plenty of such videos. Here is one of them.

                Do you believe the "Russian Air Force service"? Do you remember the times of the Afghan or Chechen wars? When our soldiers were buried then ... the whole village knew about it. The death of even 68 people, for one military operation to remain unnoticed ... In Yekaterinburg, the year before last, they buried one of the dead volunteers in the Donbass and several in the past three or four from Syria, this is when the Americans worked on them with artillery and aircraft ... That's all seen and heard.
                1. kjhg 19 May 2020 15: 58 New
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                  Do you believe the "Russian Air Force service"?

                  And you there too. For questions of faith, you need to contact the church, not me. I can see the Air Force, and Russia 24, and Rain, and the Echo of Moscow, and Navalny, but I analyze the information received every time, without relying solely on faith. Any more or less adequate person understands that both the first and second, third, fourth pursue the goal of manipulating the opinion of people using the method of presenting information.
                  Quote: svp67
                  This is all visible and audible.

                  Well, they find evidence. It is obvious that the authorities are trying to make as few people as possible aware of such losses. Why? This is also understandable. You can see the full plot of this report on the service website if you want to know more. If you do not want, then do not look. The internet is full of other investigations. Not a few of our fellow citizens have died and continue to die in PMCs. This, as they say, is a medical fact.
                  1. svp67 19 May 2020 17: 43 New
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                    Well, they find evidence.

                    Proof of 68 deaths in ONE OPERATION?
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                      Proof of 68 deaths in ONE OPERATION?

                      Sergey, now he will post you a list of the Omsk football club. He will say that they are dead. The case of Vasilyeva lives and multiplies in such "kjhg"
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      Eugene, would have bothered to study the biography of the lieutenant general of the army of Gaddafi:
      Academy in Benghazi, courses "Shot" and courses of the General Staff Academy in the USSR.
      Only betrayal (c) at the most various levels has not been canceled.
      And often devotees do not mean sensible.
      It’s just that the Turks were able to organize at least somehow the opponent’s forces.
      And euphoria and neglect of the enemy is very expensive.
      Plus corrupt tribal leaders.
  • All the same, these "bayraktars" apparently underestimated. They, of course, are not a panacea, but about the "hundred shot down," as some write here, an exaggeration ...
    1. svp67 19 May 2020 11: 10 New
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      They, of course, are not a panacea, but about the "hundred shot down," as some write here, an exaggeration ...

      There are just a little over a hundred of them released. They are not a “child prodigy” and the success of their application lies in the mistakes or inability of their opponents to build a small-scale air defense system. And in this case, something tells me that having a couple of “Shells” and a lot of “carts” with a 23x2 ZSU, with skillful leadership, and the main one having courage and decisiveness, it was possible to repulse both these UAVs and defend this base
    2. Ka-52 19 May 2020 11: 26 New
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      All the same, these "bayraktars" apparently underestimated.

      in this case, their impact was minimal. The main reason is typical of a focal war - attackers quickly concentrate mobile strike forces in one place. The defenders, having neither covered flanks, nor layered defense, are threatened by superior forces. Given the mentality, this is what is in Syria, what in Libya is both the main tactics of the offensive and the main reason for the flight.
      1. voyaka uh 19 May 2020 11: 41 New
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        Air dominance is always critical.
        You can focus a wonderful mobile shock fist -
        fly on top with precision bombs and missiles in five minutes
        cease fist into firebrands.
  • 9PA
    9PA 19 May 2020 11: 05 New
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    I want to see direct tank battles. Old school 72-red school banner and advanced Western technology in Leo, Abrash, Merkava. And then how the monkeys chase each other
    1. Altona 19 May 2020 11: 12 New
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      I want to see direct tank battles.

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      Forget it will not be. Just because there will be a prohibitively large amount of burnt equipment from anti-tank weapons. Therefore, there is a smooth transition into a contactless war from drones. The Turks had recently had the sad experience of tank attacks, where their Leopards 2 in version 4 burned like dead wood. Conclusions have been made.
      1. Ka-52 19 May 2020 11: 32 New
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        Therefore, there is a smooth transition into a contactless war from drones

        war is only a UAV? Kindergarten. UAVs have their own, strictly narrow specialties: reconnaissance, target designation and targeted use of guided weapons. What war are you going to win the UAV? Will you clean the village with them? Break through the line of defense? Provide fast infantry delivery to the line of attack? Provide support for the advancing troops?
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          Quote: Ka-52
          war is only a UAV? Kindergarten.

          So Hollywood is lying? belay laughing
          1. Ka-52 19 May 2020 12: 41 New
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            So Hollywood is lying? belay laughing

            The commentators above are visible only in Hollywood terms and reason. They have seen enough kins and think that this is all for real. Well, at least they looked in YouTube how and how they stormed the Kara-makhs and Komsomolskoye for example. There, sometimes even 152mm could not destroy the basements where the militants were hiding. It was necessary for the infantry to pick them out. And they think that ATGM or AGM-114 Hellfire with UAVs can defeat everyone. Therefore, I write - kindergarten
        2. Altona 19 May 2020 11: 51 New
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          What war are you going to win the UAV?

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          And is someone going to "win the war"? So, they knead the glove compartment and drive it over a huge area, from Iraq to Tunisia. Tanks, insurgents, UAVs, quasi-SCADS, bald devils than you have to.
          1. Ka-52 19 May 2020 12: 26 New
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            Altona (Eugene) Today, 11: 51

            somehow the logic is lost between your sentences
            therefore, there is a smooth transition into a contactless war from drones.

            и
            And is someone going to "win the war"?

            to the questions of how are you going to UAV to clear the village you see no answer?
        3. no one 19 May 2020 12: 40 New
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          Blah shut down the supply. They shot down planes on landing, trucks with weapons and ammunition, with food. And what large grouping will last long without supplies?
      2. voyaka uh 19 May 2020 11: 45 New
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        Leopards were burned not during the attacks, but when for a long time
        stuck in stationary positions between offensives.
        ATGMs got close to them and shot.
        There are not enough KAZs with radars on the tanks. Such a KAZ solves the problem
        ATGM.
        1. Altona 19 May 2020 11: 49 New
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          Leopards were burned not during the attacks, but when for a long time
          stuck in stationary positions between offensives.

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          I didn’t write about it, I just missed about ATGM. It makes no sense, Lesch, to go "tank wedges" like an old man if the enemy is full of means to combat the pan-waffe.
          1. voyaka uh 19 May 2020 11: 52 New
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            The tank remains a powerful means of supporting infantry.
            Offensive support and breakthrough organization.
            Masses of tanks are not needed, I agree. But groups of 3-4 cars are very
            useful.
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              But groups of 3-4 cars are very
              useful.

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              Well, still, as a powerful mobile fire support.
        2. Ratmir_Ryazan 19 May 2020 12: 39 New
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          There are not enough KAZs with radars on the tanks. Such a KAZ solves the problem
          ATGM.


          A double launch on the tank will burn it even with KAZ.

          KAZ will not solve the problem, but still increases the survivability of the tank.
  • Karaul73 19 May 2020 11: 45 New
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    Therefore, there is a smooth transition into a contactless war from drones

    war is only a UAV? Kindergarten. UAVs have their own, strictly narrow specialties: reconnaissance, target designation and targeted use of guided weapons. What war are you going to win the UAV? Will you clean the village with them? Break through the line of defense? Provide fast infantry delivery to the line of attack? Provide support for the advancing troops?

    You can clear the village. UAVs will knock out all the heavy equipment, leaving a maximum of machine guns defending. The strongholds will be covered with guided bombs from the UAV. And then it's up to the infantry with armor. True, it will cost a pretty penny. But it will save personnel.
    1. Ka-52 19 May 2020 12: 30 New
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      You can clear the village.

      excellent "logic", especially with regard to the following phrase:
      And then it's up to the infantry with armor.

      that is, WITHOUT the infantry on the armor, stripping will still not work? Then why are you writing that you can clean the UAV settlement, if with their help you only provide fire cover?!
      In general, in clearing settlements, several mortars are 100 times more useful and effective than several of your UAVs. This is any person with combat experience will say. A UAV needs a minimum of flying weather (which is not always the case) and clear target designation. And the mortar, and in Africa, the mortar is a terrible thing
      1. donavi49 19 May 2020 12: 53 New
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        You can sit under mortars for quite some time. Especially if you hit the squares.

        But under the UAV to sit for a long time will not work. For equipped positions, tanks / Toyota with anti-tank systems, gantraki and their mortars quickly turn into charred remains. Without them, defending the village is not very pleasant, but taking into account low motivation and fighting spirit, even a couple of three accurate arrivals, followed by fireworks of exploding ammunition, will easily incline the entire garrison to a brisk run from the defended village. Ah, and UAVs will be used so that mortars and MLRSs enter not just the square of the village, but precisely those buildings where capital positions, warehouses, etc. are equipped.
        1. Ka-52 19 May 2020 13: 06 New
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          Without them, defending the village is not very pleasant, but taking into account low motivation and fighting spirit, even a couple of three accurate arrivals, followed by fireworks of exploding ammunition, will easily incline the entire garrison to a brisk run from the defended village.

          write tales to you. There can be at least one example when the strike aircraft (we will make a discount on the UAV innovation as a means of destruction) caused the defender to surrender or flee from the defended fortified area on the basis of the settlement. Afghanistan, Chechnya, Ukraine ...
          But under the UAV to sit for a long time will not work.

          Yes of course. So I see swarms of UAVs .... Crocodiles hung over the Komsomolsky carousel, the rooks were hammering, but this version of the bearded did not push the bearded to captivity
          1. donavi49 19 May 2020 13: 09 New
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            Syria. A lot of examples, like the undermining of the CMM, collapses the entire defense of the kishlak with throwing everything from tanks and infantry fighting vehicles to artillery and Toyota. wink

            Libya, this is the same Syria, in terms of quality l / s from all sides.
            1. Ka-52 19 May 2020 13: 19 New
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              Syria. A lot of examples, like undermining CMM

              “Lots of examples” is a phrase about nothing.
              collapses the entire defense of the village with the throwing of everything, from tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, to artillery and Toyota.

              the flight of the defenders on the FIRST line was caused by the attack of the bearded infantry. CMMs were a battering ram breaking through the defense of the fortified area. No one just, from a single use of explosives did not throw up defense. Do not pull the birds here on the globe.
            2. Oquzyurd 20 May 2020 02: 59 New
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              The UAV is still at altitudes, it can stay for 24 hours without unnecessary excitement, guards the victim, indicates it by other means if it is necessary to hit it. Aircraft and turntables with a noise of 2–3 hours, and you, the fuel is running out)
              If a conflict lasts for a long time, a mini-war, etc., countries begin to count money, try to save money. UAVs cannot be replaced in this regard either. For example, one blogger considered that 1 hour of an F-16 flight is equal in money to a 24 hour flight 5 -6 Bayraktar TB2.
              1. Ka-52 20 May 2020 06: 01 New
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                UAV in this regard is also not replaceable

                just in a nutshell, without blah blah blah, tell me HOW and WHAT the drone can hit the target - a fortified bunker. You all beautifully describe scenes from a kin film about terrorists to me, but I have a specific question: how to get defensive infantry out of a fortified point using only means (very, very expensive - for example, Helfair costs $ 65)? All of these stories of yours about UAVs hovering in the sky are good only if:
                1. the narrow task of defeating armored vehicles
                2. the lack of elementary air defense by the defending side.
                1. donavi49 20 May 2020 08: 24 New
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                  Well there are no concrete bunkers. The maximum high-rise is ordinary. It just can hit - with illumination for guided 155 shells from Firtin (if we're talking about Turks) or 300mm missiles with corrections.

                  Are people welded in chains to the bunker? So when they go out, sit in Toyota and go on vacation, he will receive them, and right on the go. Others will be impressed and discouraged.

                  Single strongholds are nothing. UAVs with a constant presence in the area will knock out equipment, force them to move around the village in dashes, one at a time (which is already a victory). They will actively highlight the houses where the l / s is resting, eating, from where the boxes with ammunition are carried out. After that, they will work out the MLRS and the gunners. Point and not throughout the village carry the ammunition.

                  The main plus of the strike UAV, even with 2 ammunition of 20 kg each, is an immediate response. They saw a BMP leaving the crypt, immediately worked it out and burned it. We saw reinforcements / people leaving the house for cars - they worked right away. Forward any other means. At the same time, it is possible to ensure a 24/7 presence in the zone of interests.
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                    Are people welded in chains to the bunker? So when they go out, sit in Toyota and go on vacation, he will receive them, and right on the go. Others will be impressed and discouraged.

                    tin .... like young, naive, it's all just ....
                    Single strongholds are nothing. UAVs with a constant presence in the area will knock out equipment, force them to move around the village in dashes, one at a time (which is already a victory). They will actively highlight the houses, where the l / s is resting, eating, from where the boxes with ammunition are carried out.

                    hahaha))) even comment silly such fabulous fantasies. Fragment AGM fifty dollars on single-player militants running around the village. A normal commander will deliver a pair of 120mm mortars and achieve the same effect. Only much easier.
                    After that, they will work out the MLRS and the gunners. Point and not throughout the village carry the ammunition.

                    RZSO precisely ?????? how old are you, dear? RZSO has dispersion to 50 m on max. distances even with satellite correction.
                    1. donavi49 20 May 2020 10: 01 New
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                      And where is that max? Even 100-200 meters. An UAV will identify and highlight important objects on which fire is concentrated. And not to level the whole village - what ammunition (we are not talking about the third world war / war between large armies, but about low intensity, where 6 hail packages = strategic offensive operation).

                      No, you do not read. The point is to make them run one at a time. This is already achieving the goal. Well, at first, there will be heavy losses of l / s - look at the same Syria, where troop clusters of soldiers were constantly busy.

                      This is a fact - when you undermine your equipment, brothers, even motivated NUSRyats are sharply discouraged and stand on sneakers. By l / s with low discipline and motivation - constant arrivals from the air, very strong effect.

                      You imagine some kind of a victorious soldier from the time of Berlin, and on the other hand a chained SS soldier who will fight until the last, for he will not be taken prisoner wink . In the wars of the types of Yemen / Syria / Iraq / Libya / Afghanistan / Africa - everything is simpler.
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                        You imagine some kind of a victorious soldier from the time of Berlin, and on the other hand a chained SSovets who will fight until the last, for he will not be taken prisoner wink. In the wars of the types of Yemen / Syria / Iraq / Libya / Afghanistan / Africa - everything is simpler.

                        I can’t imagine anything. I write on the example of hostilities in Chechnya and the Donbass. And you write on the example of your stormy fantasies about Arabs running through the desert. And extrapolate it to any theaters of war. None of my opponents in this dispute gave an example of a real situation. None gave a description of HOW he sees the procedure for capturing an enemy stronghold only by UAV means (without the participation of ground forces, armored vehicles and artillery). But nonsense and fantasies for an entire publication by the Brothers Grimm. They can’t answer, but minuses these tactics and connoisseurs of sofa wars do not spare. hi
                    2. Oquzyurd 20 May 2020 10: 59 New
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                      Now is not 1941-45, it feels like you're stuck there.
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                        Now is not 1941-45, it feels like you're stuck there.

                        the whole world is not your bearded homeland. And if you have a single UAV can take entire armies to flight, then in other parts of the world and in other armies this is not so.
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            Crocodiles hung over the Komsomolsky carousel, the rooks were hollowing, but according to your version it didn’t push the bearded to captivity

            The trick is that you can see aviation, you can take cover during a raid, etc., and UAVs are practically invisible and no one knows if a surprise is flying to you or not, and low speed allows you to assess the situation on the ground without any stress and time pressure use your ammunition and / or direct artillery. Therefore, UAVs, in my humble opinion, are much more efficient than aviation. Unfortunately, we simply have this direction, for various reasons, in decline and we can’t even compete with Turkey, therefore I come up with different theories that UAVs are useless junk.
            1. Ka-52 20 May 2020 05: 48 New
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              Unfortunately, for some reason, this direction is in decline in our country.

              among the Americans, is it also in decline? Why, then, do Americans solve most of the percussion problems using controlled aircraft? From poverty? Can you compare - how many UAVs they have in the ranks before writing about the decline.
              The trick is that you can see aviation, you can take cover during a raid, etc., and UAVs are practically invisible and no one knows

              why do you write such nonsense in principle? Any of the most modest adjustable munitions (our KAB-500) has a drop range of 7-10km. Which is comparable to the launch range of the AGM-114. The GBU family has a reset range of 18-20km, JDAM is already used with a range of 25-30km.
          3. no one 19 May 2020 14: 59 New
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            Aviation does not circle the head 24 hours a day. At night too. And there is almost no bad weather there. And when they are somewhat circling over a small territory, then even a single motorcyclist can be knocked out.
            1. qQQQ 20 May 2020 09: 46 New
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              Aviation does not circle the head 24 hours a day.

              This is exactly what I had in mind, the actions of aviation are episodic: they flew in, flew away, and the UAV is around the clock and no one knows at what point the surprise will arrive.
      2. Glory1974 19 May 2020 13: 28 New
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        why are you writing that it is possible to clean the UAV settlement, if with their help you only provide fire cover ?!

        This is the underestimation of the UAV.
        A motivated unit in fortified positions will also sit under fire from an UAV, although it will lose all equipment and heavy weapons. An example is the same Karamahi and Chabanmahi. Of course, UAVs were not used there, but the fire impact was an order of magnitude higher.
        In a maneuvering war, when there are no trenches with shelters up to 10 meters deep, everything is tied to equipment that UAVs knock out. Without technology, it makes no sense to sit and die. Therefore, the infantry itself leaves.
        1. Ka-52 20 May 2020 05: 32 New
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          This is the underestimation of the UAV.

          Dear Glory, this is not an “underestimation" of the UAV. This is a very effective tool in the hands of competent battlefield tactics. The problem is not in the UAV, but in you, in those who, after watching Hollywood, think that the battle (battle, war) can be won by only one means of destruction. This is a naive baby talk. Only a global nuclear war can be fought with one weapon - ICBMs.
          under fire from an UAV, the truth will lose all the equipment and heavy weapons

          Hollywood again in my head. A competent military leader will use those weapons of destruction that:
          a) effective in relation to this task
          b) available here and now
          He, unlike the wise couch experts with HE, will use attack aircraft or artillery at 9/10. I will explain why:
          1. artillery (unlike any aircraft) is available here and now. She does not need flying time, the presence of favorable weather conditions. The power of 152mm or 155mm ammunition is quite large. She does not interfere with air defense or electronic warfare.
          2. Assault and bomber aircraft (unlike skinny UAVs) can strike with ammunition with a power that is several times greater than the capabilities of Helfaer. To defeat the serious buried UAV structures with their AGM-114, only the paint will be scratched. The range of ammunition includes precision munitions. Powerful ammunition will ensure the defeat of equipment not only in open areas or in open caponiers, but also hidden in shelters.
          And as a summary, dear Glory, the number of UAVs in the US Air Force is already almost half the total number of aircraft. But in the general statistics of their use as shock weapons, their share is less than 1,5%. That says a lot. Americans give the role of UAVs in the first place as a means of technical intelligence. And you are dreaming from a cozy sofa with a Hollywood, seeing how bunches of UAVs iron the enemy.
          1. Glory1974 20 May 2020 08: 53 New
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            The problem is not in the UAV, but in you, in those who, after watching Hollywood, think that a battle (battle, war) can be won by only one means of destruction.

            Only your statement contradicts the practice that we observe here and now. And in Syria, the army offensive in Idlib was stopped by the massive use of UAVs. And now in Libya, the base is abandoned, the troops left not wanting to be shot from the air.
            artillery (unlike any aircraft) is available here and now.

            Nobody argues. But without target designation, she is blind. Fire in areas maneuvering troops is not effective.
            Assault and bomber aircraft (unlike skinny UAVs) can strike ammunition with a power that is several times greater than the capabilities of Helfaer

            And no one argues with this. The Israelis do just that. But in the absence of aviation, UAVs are used pointwise. if the application is massive, this is enough to turn the tide of battle.
            And you are dreaming from a cozy sofa with a Hollywood, seeing how bunches of UAVs iron the enemy.

            I dreamed about this in the mountains of a Caucasian republic, during my dashing youth.
            But unfortunately, in practice, only the “Flir” in a single copy could fly at night and consider something, and then artillery could strike at these coordinates, but again, over the area. And he needed only one shot with a small racket of 22 kg to cover the entire bandit group gathered around the fire.
            In general, UAVs are not a panacea of ​​course, but they significantly increase the effectiveness of fire exposure, which leads to a logical result. What are we talking about.
            1. Ka-52 20 May 2020 09: 33 New
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              Only your statement contradicts the practice that we observe here and now. And in Syria, the army offensive in Idlib was stopped by the massive use of UAVs.

              outright stupidity. The offensive on Idlib is halted by the political process. When Turkey actively entered the war on the side of its controlled militants against the SSA, Russia had to put everyone in charge of negotiations and solve the problem. The attack of Turkish UAVs on SSA armored vehicles is just an episode. Neither SSA nor the Russian Federation were ready for such a turn, and the losses were expected to occur. In the case of covering the columns of armored vehicles on the march, Turkish UAVs would simply have burned out beyond the nearest hill
              Fire in areas maneuvering troops is not effective.

              baby talk. And why are art and air correctors usually in the ranks? For beauty? And maneuvering troops will be covered without problems, which has been done more than once. The main sensible spotter and quick commander of artillery division.
              if the application is massive, this is enough to turn the tide of battle.

              in what way? Well, for example, a motorized rifle company is holding defense on the outskirts of the NP. They have specialized trenches, dugouts, equipped firing points. Two tanks (hidden in buildings) and a BMP / BTR pair cover the company. Well, somehow you knocked down an infantry fighting vehicle with both BMPs and 1 tank. So what? Did Rota collect the manat and roll back? Are you going to finish off the trenches with Helfaers each for 65 dollars? Well, and how much will they give you to let out until someone on top orders to take this fool out of the OBU chair.
              And he needed only one shot with a small racket of 22 kg to cover the entire bandit group gathered around the fire.

              yes, they only do what they sit by the fire. Probably you outplayed in Stalker))) and if they do not submit to your fantasies and how normal, professional fighters, using the terrain, get close to your group so much that you can’t even give target designation? If a contact battle ensued at distances of 20-30m?
              but significantly increases the effectiveness of fire exposure, which leads to a logical result.

              like any means of destruction. the main thing is not to dream nonsense, but to use it wisely. What I wrote about. Here you are right
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                The attack of Turkish UAVs on SSA armored vehicles is just an episode. Neither SSA nor the Russian Federation were ready for such a turn, and the losses were expected to occur.

                This is what I’m talking about. But you will not deny that the use of UAVs is successful?
                And why are art and air correctors usually in the ranks?

                This is the trouble of our army. They are forced to go forward under the bullets, adjusting the fire at a line of sight. A UAV is able to adjust for several tens of kilometers. As a result, officers die, such as an airman in Syria, the posthumously Hero of Russia. And for them - the target is amazed.
                Well, for example, a motorized rifle company is holding defense on the outskirts of the NP

                The web abounds with such examples. They knocked out equipment and heavy weapons with precision weapons, and the company rolled back. Not 41 years old, no one will stand to death. Not because cowards. But because it’s stupid to die without doing anything to the enemy.
                they just do what they sit by the fire. Probably you outplayed in Stalker))) and if they do not submit to your fantasies and as normal, professional fighters, using the terrain, get closer to your group so much,

                What does a stalker have to do with it? What is the desire to bite harder?
                In general, I doubt that you are related to aviation if you do not know what Flir is.
                And the militants did so in Chechnya. At night, we approached positions at 200-300 meters and spent the night without fear of being hit by artillery fire. If sales were found using the RBF (if you know what it was), our pilots could not defeat at night. But the UAV could.
                ak and any means of destruction. the main thing is not to dream nonsense, but to use it wisely. What I wrote about. Here you are right

                I write what needs to be used. And you offer recipes from the late 80s to 90s. Aircraft manufacturers, art correctors, why do we need UAVs, we can handle it ourselves, we’ll apply a battalion warhead, okstats, all this remains in the last century.
                1. Ka-52 21 May 2020 04: 47 New
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                  In general, I doubt that you are related to aviation if you do not know what Flir is.

                  I flew on the Tu-16 even when most of the local inhabitants were still not born. Anyone related to aviation must know what Flir is? Strange you. I can name so many objects and devices that their lack of knowledge can even call into question your attitude to the human race. But I don’t do it. We did not have flirs
                  And you offer recipes from the late 80s to 90s. Aircraft manufacturers, art correctors, why do we need UAVs, we can handle it ourselves, we’ll apply a battalion warhead, okstats, all this remains in the last century.

                  that you write nonsense, half-and-half with fantasies. I wrote that any means of destruction is worthy of use at the moment when it is most effective and affordable. In your childhood fantasy, the assault on the fortified area looks like this:
                  commander, we can’t advance. The guys lay under dagger fire. The enemy dug in deeply, directly against us 2 bunkers.
                  -Wait Joni, UAV will arrive now.
                  commander, we cannot wait. From the nearest air base 2 hours fly, and we are under fire. Can cause artillery? Put barrage, smoke and take the guys out?
                  -No, Johnny, let's not call artillery, this is the last century. This was said by the greatest tactic of the future - Glory 1974. We will wait for the UAV.
                  - the commander, and what can the UAV do against the entrenched enemy and pillboxes. After all, nothing. Can bombers call, even shy at least 500 pounds? Or let self-propelled guns or tanks direct fire at the firing points fucking?
                  -Go to hell, Joni, Glory said the UAV, then UAV.
                  Okst, all this is in the last century.

                  all the armies of the world, including the Americans, for some reason have been fighting the last century. They still had artillery and tanks and guided aircraft, and even (shame what) infantry. You are seen diagonally reading the comments. Otherwise, they would pay attention to what I wrote about the UAV fleet in the US Air Force. Indeed, now UAVs make up almost half of the aircraft in the US Air Force, but if we raise the statistics of the use of aviation for strike purposes, then the share of UAVs does not reach 2%. So you are either not quite mature to draw conclusions, or the American command (command of the most technologically advanced army in the world) thinks exactly the same way as I do.
                2. Ka-52 21 May 2020 05: 03 New
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                  What does a stalker have to do with it? What is the desire to bite harder?

                  what are you offended? Or do you think that if I’m a hundred years old at lunch, then I just dig in the garden? And never tried to play shooter games? laughing
                  1. Glory1974 21 May 2020 10: 06 New
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                    How can one be offended by a person you don’t know, but who imagines himself to be the greatest strategist and tactician? The stalker just does not apply to the topic of discussion.
                    I realized that you are a bomber pilot, maybe not even bad, but magnificent. Honor and praise. And I am a simple foot soldier who, in my own skin, has experienced all the delights of combined arms combat. He called for help from aviation and artillery. And I perfectly understand what I needed at that moment, and what was provided to me as a result.
                    You constantly focus on entrenched opponents, with complex fortifications, etc. They are preparing for this in the army. The trick is that the Americans have long been rebuilt and taught to fight with the partisan formations, even a charter on this subject has been published. But we and you are taught only with a regular army. This is where you do not understand the difference.
                    The fortified areas were stormed 2: Karamakhi and Komsomolskoe. There, according to the classics, all available means were used, in all other cases the classical application showed inefficiency. UAVs can increase efficiency, which we see in the Turks.
                    1. Ka-52 21 May 2020 12: 13 New
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                      ok, thanks for the informative argument. There is a phrase in the film “The meeting place cannot be changed”: “All the debaters have arrived. Go, they will reconcile you there” (when Zheglov and Sharapov had a fight over a thrown wallet). So it can be rephrased: "The enemy will judge everyone - who is right and who is not." hi
                      1. Glory1974 22 May 2020 08: 09 New
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                        Thanks for the informative dispute.

                        drinks
  • Pvi1206 19 May 2020 13: 33 New
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    right .... it was the aviation of Russia that also helped to withstand Assad and Syria ... but this is in the absence of real opposition from the air defense of the opposing side ...
  • Zaurbek 19 May 2020 14: 41 New
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    Arabs are buying packs of the most modern F16 and 15 and, seemingly, supporting Hawtor ..... and can’t organize an air force base and solve the problem of defeating major important goals. And the blockade of supplies from Turkey.
    1. no one 19 May 2020 14: 57 New
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      And who will block the Turkish fleet?
      1. Zaurbek 19 May 2020 15: 23 New
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        Aviation can handle this .... if necessary.
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          Quote: Zaurbek
          Aviation can handle this .... if necessary.

          Well then, the Turkish Air Force will be involved. The Arabs are not ready for a big war with Turkey. Therefore, the parties keep a certain framework, neither the Turks nor the Arabs are being pulled in large, UAVs, there are special forces somewhere, special services and bribes.
          1. Zaurbek 19 May 2020 16: 42 New
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            The Turks fly far, and they are all nearby ... Well, if the Arabs have interests in Libya, and the Turks have other interests there .... this is a conflict.
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              The Turks fly far, but they are all close ..

              well, there is Egypt nearby. Turkey with refueling in the air also gets out and the liberated air base can easily deploy its air forces and transfer its troops here and provide fun to Egypt.
              Moreover, just recently, in Egypt, Muslim brothers were in power and they did not evaporate, and Egypt’s direct military clash with Turkey will blow up Egypt from the inside and they understand everything perfectly.
              and to talk about the Saudis and the UAE after Yemen and their effectiveness in terms of waging war right at their borders, what does it say about waging war with Turkey and still far from the borders.
              Arabs Arabs, but the remnants of the brain and they have.
        2. no one 19 May 2020 16: 37 New
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          I mean, which country will focus on a direct conflict with Turkey?
          1. Zaurbek 19 May 2020 16: 42 New
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            Saudis, Egypt
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              Do not make people laugh. The Saudis cannot deal with barefoot Hussites. Egypt is a separate issue. They, for many reasons, will not go to war with the Turks. One of them is the officers of the Egyptian Army. Many of them are against the fact that not only fighting the Turks, but keeping relations tense . Add to this the sympathy of the peoples of these countries for the Turks. And really, the armed forces of these countries are much weaker in organization and discipline. Weapons, even modern in their hands, are Junk.
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                The Saudis have their favorite terrorists from the same al-Nusra, the number of about Saudi groups in Syria is about 20 thousand militants. The question is whether the Saudis are ready to give up their hatred of Assad for the sake of supporting Haftar.
            2. KARAKURT15 19 May 2020 20: 13 New
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              Saudis and Egypt? laughing How is this? Egypt Turkey already offers cooperation. By the way, the Egyptians will soon bite themselves. It will be worse than in Syria. See you soon.
  • tekinoral 19 May 2020 21: 36 New
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    Quote: Zaurbek
    Saudis, Egypt

    ex aksakal?
  • Suraikin.Aleksandr 19 May 2020 23: 44 New
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    The salvation of Haftar’s army will probably require a wider participation of Russian mercenaries as operators of military equipment. Reinforcing Haftar’s troops with pro-Saudi Islamic militants in the likeness of al-Nusra from Syria, and a go-ahead from Washington to supply modern anti-aircraft missile systems and small-sized radars.