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Tokyo reaffirmed Japanese sovereignty over the South Kuril Islands

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Tokyo reaffirmed Japanese sovereignty over the South Kuril Islands

Tokyo again spoke of Japanese sovereignty over the "northern territories." According to the Kyodo agency, the Japanese government returned to the Blue Book of Diplomacy the wording on the ownership of the southern Kuril Islands.


At a meeting of the Japanese government, Japanese Foreign Minister Toshimitsu Motegi presented the annual report on the country's foreign policy, entitled "The Blue Book of Diplomacy." According to the agency, this year’s document again appeared in a statement stating that the "northern territories", namely Kunashir, Iturup, Shikotan and Habomai, are "islands to which Japan’s sovereignty extends."

The publication drew attention to the fact that this wording appeared due to the fact that last year in the document the statement about the belonging of the "four northern islands of Japan" was absent, although in 2018 it was in place. According to the news agency, this is due to Tokyo’s attempt in 2019 to solve the territorial problem with Moscow by concluding a peace treaty using a “milder formulation” for this. However, the replacement did not bring anything and negotiations again reached an impasse, after which a decision was made to return the wording "on the sovereignty of Japan over the southern Kuril Islands."

Recall that Japan claims four islands of the southern Kuril Islands, claiming that Russia owns them illegally. In Tokyo, the return of these islands is the main condition for concluding a peace treaty. Moscow, in turn, declares that Russia's sovereignty over the islands is not in doubt, and in order to conclude a peace treaty in Japan, it is necessary to recognize the results of World War II, including the ownership of the Russian islands.
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  1. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 19 May 2020 09: 35 New
    29
    This, too, must be reminded of whose ally they were during the Second World War.
    1. Civil
      Civil 19 May 2020 09: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      This, too, must be reminded of whose ally they were during the Second World War.

      Или чьим союзником в проигранной "холодной войне" или чьим союзником является в "новой холодной войне". 1945 год не вчера был.
    2. Tatyana
      Tatyana 19 May 2020 09: 41 New
      +9
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      This, too, must be reminded of whose ally they were during the Second World War.

      It is useless for the Japanese to remind this - they already know all this.
      Moreover, in Japan - with the connivance and goodwill on the part of the United States for the then war criminals and crimes of Japan - the same political force of the Japanese Nazis that ruled Japan during WWII ruled.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 19 May 2020 10: 10 New
        +6
        And in Japanese - wasabi!
        1. iouris
          iouris 19 May 2020 10: 37 New
          +5
          The good news: the Japanese make such statements, therefore, the Russian Federation exists!
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 19 May 2020 10: 43 New
            +1
            Nice reminder!
            1. iouris
              iouris 19 May 2020 10: 57 New
              +5
              Now the main question is the question of the future. You cannot drive into the future on tanks alone. And you can’t ride tanks on those islands.
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 19 May 2020 11: 01 New
                +1
                Quote: iouris
                question about the future

                "Вал" и "Бастион" обеспечат будущее...Да и танки в помощь.
                PS In the Kuril Islands, since Soviet times, tanks have been dug into the ground ....
                1. kotvov
                  kotvov 20 May 2020 11: 37 New
                  0
                  "Вал" и "Бастион" обеспечат будущее...Да и танки в помощь.,,
                  Do not be naive, they helped the USSR a lot?
              2. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 19 May 2020 14: 37 New
                -2
                Quote: iouris
                Now the main question is the question of the future.

                In the future (or rather, already in the present), the territorial integrity of Russia is being consolidated through the constitution. That is, even discussing this issue will be a violation of our constitution. So, the train (we agreed to give 2 islands back from the Khrushchev era) has already left.
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 20 May 2020 13: 03 New
                  +1
                  Wow, -2.
                  That is, at least two people are sure that the law prescribed in the Constitution prohibiting squandering (giving) Russian lands will not prevent the Japanese from acquiring their islands. Are you friends with your head?
            2. Mikhail m
              Mikhail m 19 May 2020 11: 42 New
              +1
              Soon, the Moon will also begin to share.
              1. ApJlekuHo
                ApJlekuHo 20 May 2020 02: 08 New
                0
                Soon, the Moon will also begin to share.

                If we need to defend the moon, do you propose to give the Kuril Islands to Japan or to solve the Japanese question with their relocation to the moon?
                1. Mikhail m
                  Mikhail m 21 May 2020 19: 40 New
                  -1
                  Did I offer something?
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 19 May 2020 11: 13 New
          +2
          There are enough bears on Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands!
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 19 May 2020 11: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            enough bears!

            Yes ! Enough amount!
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 19 May 2020 10: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: Tatiana
        It is useless for the Japanese to remind this - they already know all this.

        That's how it was then, and now, and on I will
        moreover, this must remain.
        1. Dmitry Donskoy
          Dmitry Donskoy 19 May 2020 10: 43 New
          +1
          To the question of whose smokers they answer, ours. It reminds me of something. repeat
          1. AUL
            AUL 19 May 2020 10: 53 New
            +7
            On top of Mount Fuji
            Horseradish bloomed magnificently.
            And the Kuril Islands - Russian!

            Here is such a hoku.
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 19 May 2020 12: 14 New
              -1
              Quote: AUL
              such a hoku.

              In addition to horseradish, hogweed blooms,
              Зовется он "ипритка",
              Do not rub your eyes, samurai!
            2. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 19 May 2020 12: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: AUL
              And the Kuril Islands - Russian!

              Judging by the minuses, there are gay people who are against the Russian Kuril Islands!
              1. Galleon
                Galleon 19 May 2020 13: 14 New
                +1
                I think it was aesthetes - I didn’t like the photo with an abscess from the cow parsnip. Corrected.
                1. Uncle lee
                  Uncle lee 19 May 2020 13: 18 New
                  +1
                  Andrei hi Thank you .... The minus of many guys who are against the transfer of the Kuril Islands. That's what angered me.
            3. antivirus
              antivirus 19 May 2020 15: 08 New
              0
              On top of Mount Fuji
              Horseradish bloomed magnificently.
              .... and that horseradish ate a Russian bear,
              he came from the north
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 19 May 2020 11: 35 New
            -2
            Quote: Dmitry Donskoy
            To the question of whose smokers they answer, ours. It reminds me of something.

            I’ll also be faithful.
          3. ApJlekuHo
            ApJlekuHo 20 May 2020 02: 12 New
            0
            To the question of whose smokers they answer, ours. It reminds me of something

            As they say, to have Crimea as the territory of the country and want the Kuril Islands, these are two big differences.
      3. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 19 May 2020 11: 36 New
        +5
        It is useless for the Japanese to remind this - they already know all this.
        Nevertheless, all sorts of reminding demarches must be done constantly. For example: since the Japanese love and understand all symbolism, plant a flowerbed of horseradish in the shape of the South Kuril Islands in front of the embassy in Tokyo. And in the center stick a small flag of Russia. You can generally arrange a daily morning small ceremony to raise moisture above a flower bed. And in the evening, the bottom.
        Let the Japanese rejoice.
      4. Hagen
        Hagen 19 May 2020 12: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Tatiana
        It is useless for the Japanese to remind this - they already know all this.

        I totally agree. No one needs to be reminded at all. By this we only show our weakness and shortsightedness. We must deal with them in accordance with their attitude towards us and the situation.
    3. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 19 May 2020 13: 40 New
      0
      and under whose occupation are still
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 19 May 2020 09: 39 New
    +8
    Tokyo talked again about

    why again? Did they refuse at least for a second from their Wishlist ???
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 May 2020 10: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      why again? Did they refuse at least for a second from their Wishlist ???

      Наглые эти "пиплы", когда захватили в 1905 году Сахалин, то молчали, а теперь орут. Пора снова "пробку-затычку" им вставить в рот.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 19 May 2020 10: 52 New
        0
        It won’t work out ... it’s useless to struggle with the national idea in a simple way, but in a complex and big one, it’s too troublesome, and the times are still not the same.
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 19 May 2020 11: 47 New
          +1
          It won’t work ... it’s useless to fight the national idea of ​​a simple
          Бороться со всякими идеями методы есть. Правда это не наши "тоталитарные" методы, а сугубо самые демократичные:
          1. The expedition of Commander Piri somehow quickly brought the national idea of ​​self-isolation to nothing.
          2. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki somehow quickly added to the Japanese love of Americans (exaggerate, I remember the occupation).
          These are just fresh examples. It is possible even more ancient, when the most breathtaking ideas that existed for centuries, very quickly cut out to the root.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 19 May 2020 12: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: abrakadabre
            very quickly cut to the root.

            Времена НЕ ТЕ! экстремальные методы, "не наш выбор", очень по объективным причинам, кстати.
            Бум реалистами, "обидеть" их и так не легко, к тому ж не дадут!
            They will not even agree with them! under normal conditions and this is a fact.
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 19 May 2020 12: 33 New
              0
              Times are NOT THESE!
              Times are ALWAYS those. Just the methods are not ours. Something in Iraq, Americans are not complex about the wrong time. More than a million Iraqis were killed, and generally without remorse. Think about it, more than a million ...
              You can fight ideas either in the style of the USSR after the Second World War, when the paradigm for the country is completely changing - we are building socialism in Eastern Europe, or by the above measures. When the carriers of ideas are roused so that in 10-20-30 years, the victims go by themselves from the most fleeting memory of those ideas.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 19 May 2020 12: 46 New
                0
                The victims have long gone nowhere and do not go anywhere. they found their roof, their fence and yapping from there.
                It is clear that the reflexes will not go anywhere, but now it is much more difficult to press on them.
                They press, if anything, of the very dull, who are trying to build their fence and hide behind it without a roof .... it didn’t work. For a bulldozer, any fence is nothing, if someone solid cannot support it.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 May 2020 09: 45 New
    +4
    Samurai decided that they are the winners in WWII? Or someone explained to them? And I guess who wassat
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 19 May 2020 09: 54 New
      10
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Samurai decided that they are the winners in WWII?

      What does it have to do with it? WWII was a long time ago, the USSR was a long time ago, and currently samurai are more and more confident in their ability to return the island to themselves. For example, according to the Crimean scenario. An occasion for us to think about restoring the power of the Pacific Fleet.
      1. Sergey39
        Sergey39 19 May 2020 10: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: Kalmar
        samurai are more and more confident in their ability to return the island to themselves

        The Japanese only voiced the wishes of the owner.
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 19 May 2020 10: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: Sergey39
          The Japanese only voiced the wishes of the owner.

          For Japan, the Kuril Islands is such a political fetish as the Crimea (now for Ukraine) for us or Taiwan for China at one time. And the owner - well, he’s not against it, the annexation of the Kuril Islands by Japan will only be on hand: Pacific Fleet will be even more difficult to get into the Pacific Ocean.
      2. +5
        +5 19 May 2020 10: 11 New
        +3
        Do not tell .... it's just talk for domestic use. Even if orderlies ignore the idea of ​​a nuclear-free country attacking a major nuclear power, then to capture the islands you need to have significant landing forces and means and work it out during numerous exercises ... which is not observed. But the SSN has other pressing problems - Korean missiles and the Chinese fleet ...
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 19 May 2020 10: 21 New
          -6
          Quote: 5-9
          Even if orderlies ignore the idea of ​​a nuclear-free country attacking a major nuclear power

          As we like to shake a peaceful atom ... I’m disappointed: in this situation, nuclear status will not help in any way, because a hypothetical nuclear strike (even in the case of nuclear weapons) will have political consequences for Russia far more serious than the loss of islands.

          Quote: 5-9
          to capture the islands must have significant landing forces and means

          Depends on what forces and means will really resist the landing. I’m not sure that now there is a sufficient military group on the Kuril Islands.
          1. +5
            +5 19 May 2020 10: 30 New
            +4
            Do not tell .... a TNW strike in response to an attack on the territory of the Russian Federation - this is exactly what the doctor ordered .... are there any consequences ??? They will definitely be if we lose the islands. Well, you don’t like TNW, the strike of the Kyrgyz Republic with conventional warheads at nuclear power plants :))))

            There is just a grouping in the Kuril Islands. I'm talking about something else. This (capture of the Kuril Islands) is a complex and large-scale operation that needs to be prepared for years, otherwise an unprepared landing will kill itself on the Kuril nature .... there is nothing of the kind.

            All this talk about the Kuril Islands is talk about how a 10-grader with a knife will take away his wallet from a bandit with a gun and AKM .... the bandit is embarrassed to shoot at the student, so he will start to remove the bayonet-knife for fair play from AKM and the knife the student is better, etc. etc.
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 19 May 2020 11: 01 New
              -1
              Quote: 5-9
              TNW strike in response to an attack on the territory of the Russian Federation - this is exactly what the doctor ordered

              Прописать доктор может, это факт. Скажем, красивое клеймо "террорист и агрессор" с уже настоящими санкциями со всех сторон, вплоть до "союзника"-Китая, которому ядерные экзерсисы вблизи своих границ тоже без надобности.

              Quote: 5-9
              This (capture of the Kuril Islands) is a complex and large-scale operation, which must be prepared for years

              I do not argue. And, perhaps, the strengthening of the Japanese fleet (including the UDC) is already the first stage of preparation.

              Quote: 5-9
              All this talk about the Kuril Islands is talk about how a 10-grader with a knife will rob a bandit with a gun and AKM from his wallet

              You forget that most of the Russian troops are historically concentrated in the western part of the country. Those. Your allegorical bandit undoubtedly has AKM, he just stayed at home in the basement. And the schoolboy is already not such a schoolboy for a long time, and his knife is quite serious: look at how the Pacific Fleet and the Japanese Navy relate. In general, in 1904-1905 we already went through this.
              1. +5
                +5 19 May 2020 11: 28 New
                +2
                AKM is SNF, a gun is TNW, a knife is a general-purpose force ...
                Forget about the naval battles in the style of the RPE ... what can I argue about if one side can strike all over the other, that special warhead, that ordinary KR ...
                1. Kalmar
                  Kalmar 19 May 2020 11: 43 New
                  -1
                  Забудьте про СЯС - никто их в подобном конфликте в ход не пустит, если из ума не выжил. Другие держатели СЯС могут запросто и в ответ бахнуть, не желая разбираться, куда конкретно ваши "свечки" полетели.

                  With TNW, too, everything is still sad: its use can raise the degree of inadequacy to a level at which additional players decide to join the batch. And hardly on our side.

                  Про КР: на ТОФе пока что только четыре внятных носителя таковых (крейсер 1164 и три АПЛ 949А). Япония располагает изрядным количеством эсминцев УРО, технически способных нести "Томагавки". Кто тут по кому может удары наносить - вопрос открытый.
                  1. +5
                    +5 19 May 2020 11: 53 New
                    0
                    СЯС на школьника не нужна, речь не про них...ну и "в ответ бахнуть"...вот представьте, что США влупили по КНДР....мы в ответ по ним сразубахнем с перепуга, чтобы они потом в ответ по нам? Тем более, что в таком случае невероятном (СЯС, а не ТЯО), другуво "бабаха" предупредят да ещё и места куда бахать будут покажут.

                    Which players? Niponiya, no one and no way to call, the six from under the shaft attacked !!!! to a permanent member of the UN Security Council and so on and so forth .... the question is not about the accession of the original Russian-Ainu island of Matsaya (Hokkaido) to the Ainu Republic of the Far Eastern Federal District ....

                    Technically capable (in theory, you think everything that can be shoved in Mk41, can be used ???) and carriers - these are 2 different things. Again, well, according to Vladik, they’ll start ... 1 city at the end of the world ...
                    1. Kalmar
                      Kalmar 19 May 2020 13: 35 New
                      -3
                      Quote: 5-9
                      Imagine that the United States played along the DPRK .... will we respond to them with a fright so that they will respond to us later?

                      That is why they are not joking with SNF. Just imagine: the conflict of two serious powers, all on the nerves. Suddenly, several ICBMs start and fly somewhere. And figs understand like this right away, where exactly: maybe, according to the DPRK, or maybe (by the noise) - according to us. WBC squeaks in alarm. Here, your finger may also wave over the conditional red button.

                      Вариант "предупредить заранее" тоже с душком. Во-первых, эти сведения по партнерским каналам махом утекут куда не следует. Во-вторых, "Мы тут собираемся десяток МБР пульнуть, но не по вам, честно-честно" - would you believe?

                      Quote: 5-9
                      Which players? Niponiya, no one and no way to call, the six from under the shaft attacked !!!! to a permanent member of the UN Security Council and so on and so forth

                      You do not seem to know how big politics is done. In the Asia-Pacific region there are many who have their own interests: we, Japan, China, Korea (s), the United States, and further on the little things. Military conflict is always an opportunity to replay the alignment of forces in one's own favor (in essence, wars are being fought for this). And there the main thing is to get into the right moment and on the right side. And it doesn’t matter who there is a member of, on whose side is historical justice, and so on.

                      Quote: 5-9
                      Technically capable (in theory, you think everything that can be shoved in Mk41, can be used ???) and carriers - these are 2 different things

                      Насколько известно, на данный момент ограничения носят сугубо юридический характер: Япония типа не держит наступательных вооружений, поэтому "Томагавками" свои эсминцы не оснащает.

                      Quote: 5-9
                      Well, Vladik smell ... 1 city at the end of the world ...

                      Posh logic. And the Kuril Islands are generally a few patches of land abroad. Then they do not care at all, and is it worth it to arrange fuss?
                  2. saigon
                    saigon 19 May 2020 15: 03 New
                    0
                    For Japan, the problem is also in the territory, very small areas suitable for living, and even non-nuclear weapons, cause a lot of problems with a compact population.
              2. Grits
                Grits 19 May 2020 11: 56 New
                +1
                Quote: Kalmar
                And the schoolboy is already not such a schoolboy for a long time, and his knife is quite serious: look at how the Pacific Fleet and the Japanese Navy relate. In general, in 1904-1905 we already went through this.


                Actually, now the Japanese fleet is a cut above the Pacific Fleet. I think that in the absence of a normal fleet in the Pacific, the landing operation in the Kuril Islands will not be such a difficult task for the Japanese. Defend ourselves with aviation? Well, they also have airfields on their side and planes are no worse.
                Therefore, it turns out that the most realistic option for us is missile strikes at conventional nuclear power plants. Further chaos in a highly urbanized society will complete its dirty business.
              3. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 19 May 2020 12: 54 New
                +2
                Quote: Kalmar
                Скажем, красивое клеймо "террорист и агрессор" с уже настоящими санкциями со всех сторон, вплоть до "союзника"-Китая, которому ядерные экзерсисы вблизи своих границ тоже без надобности.

                As for China - this is unlikely. China has too many disputed territories, so it is unlikely that it will support the military option of resolving the issue of ownership, and it is unlikely to condemn the rebuff. Especially if Japan is the attacker.
          2. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 19 May 2020 11: 56 New
            +1
            I’ll disappoint: in this situation, nuclear status will not help in any way, because a hypothetical nuclear strike (even in the case of nuclear weapons) will have political consequences for Russia far more severe than the loss of islands.
            If in the case of the Kuril Islands it came to the tactical nuclear weapons, then already deeply do not care about the political consequences. At least in the way you try to say.
            If we talk about the political consequences, there we will already talk about the new Yalta Conference and the Tokyo Tribunal. With participation in both events including China.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 19 May 2020 11: 42 New
          0
          Quote: 5-9
          Do not tell .... it's just talk for domestic use.

          While Japan is under occupation, she can only say the words of the invaders.
      3. mark1
        mark1 19 May 2020 10: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Kalmar
        For example, according to the Crimean scenario.

        Crimean will not pass, even if the 5th convoy is forged from the local population - there are no Japanese polite people and their (Japanese) military bases
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 19 May 2020 10: 14 New
          -5
          Quote: mark1
          Crimean will not pass, even if the 5th convoy is forged from the local population - there are no Japanese polite people and their (Japanese) military bases

          Так там сама Япония "через дорогу". При должной ловкости можно очень оперативно закинуть должное количество "их-там-нетов".
          1. mark1
            mark1 19 May 2020 10: 24 New
            +1
            But this is still a different scenario, although I agree with you on 100% + base on the islands to strengthen the Pacific Fleet
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 19 May 2020 10: 28 New
              -5
              Quote: mark1
              But this is still a different scenario.

              I'm talking about the general approach:
              1. First, nameless polite people are formed that quickly neutralize the power structures (army, police, etc.)
              2. Референдум среди местного населения: "Желаете стать автономией в составе Японии?"
              3. "Официальная" аннексия по итогам референдума (на котором, разумеется, большинство будет "за").

              The rest (like a polite delivery method) is the technical details.
              1. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 19 May 2020 12: 16 New
                +5
                I'm talking about the general approach:
                1. ...
                2. ...
                3. ...
                Funny.
                1. Как только "безымянные вежливые люди" начнут бузить, вся ДВО группировка встанет на уши. Чтобы ее нейтрализовать по сценарию Крыма, требуется безоговорочная 100%-ная поддержка населения и численность атакующей группировки умопомрачительного размера. Причем нейтрализация сил ДВО должна быть такая же бескровная. как в Крыму. Потому что если польется кровь, а она польется рекой, потому что японцы - не украинцы, то есть не такие же как мы и в массовом сознании нам не братья, ответка будет в стиле обороны Севастополя и Бресткой крепости. Уже на этом этапе про референдумы и прочее можно забыть.
                2. Even when fulfilling paragraph 1, which is pure fantasy, it is necessary to retain not only Vladivostok, but a vast territory with an undeveloped road network and a lot of settlements. And hold for a time sufficient for peaceful civil registration: the preparation and conduct of a referendum. Moscow in this case will not sleep all this time. Tskhinval will not let you lie. They tried to neutralize a much smaller Russian contingent. Remind reaction? Even on condition of the commander in chief - Medvedev.
                3. On the third point, it will most likely be like with Georgia in the 2008th. That is, Tokyo will be disrupted and not finished off. Only the scale will be much larger and more remote. Just the same with the use of nuclear weapons. Because preparing a full-scale landing in Japan is incredibly expensive (I'm not just talking about finances).
                Summarizing: for Japan, such an operation, with the stated goals and objectives, is tantamount to shooting yourself in the foot. Around the hip joint.
          2. Marconi41
            Marconi41 19 May 2020 11: 05 New
            -1
            Quote: Kalmar
            Так там сама Япония "через дорогу". При должной ловкости можно очень оперативно закинуть должное количество "их-там-нетов"

            Yes, and there is no need for any of them. There, the distances are trifling; Yapi can even support their landing force from their own territory. So if they decide on this operation, then they may well carry it out. The protection of the islands is now a little effort, but there is still cause for concern.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 May 2020 10: 59 New
      -1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Samurai decided that they are the winners in WWII? Or someone explained to them?
      It’s easy to explain.

      Tanks rushed, raising the wind,
      There was a formidable armor.
      And samurai flew to the ground,
      Under the pressure of steel and fire.

      And finished off - the song in that bail -
      All enemies in fire attack
      Three tankmen - three merry friends
      Crew car fighting!

      And simpler and more understandable like this

      But you can


      And these are those who were freed, and those who freed them.

      You can always recall that memory does not forget.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 19 May 2020 12: 22 New
        0
        You can always recall that memory does not forget.
        You forgot the photo of the Tokyo process. wassat
        Only it is not enough.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 19 May 2020 13: 08 New
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          Quote: abrakadabre
          You forgot the photo of the Tokyo process.
          Only it is not enough.

          He is missing, he was later. And for our fathers' grandfathers (mine fought with the Japanese), and for us, it is Victory, the surrender of Japan, the liberation of Korea and China. See how many people I meet our fighters. Then people remembered, knew, believed, and now not everyone.
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 19 May 2020 13: 15 New
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            And for our fathers' grandfathers (mine fought with the Japanese), and for us, it is Victory, the surrender of Japan, the liberation of Korea and China.
            Mom’s grandfather also fought with the Japanese. In Manchuria. In Russian-Japanese.
            If we remind the elite of Japan, then it is necessary to remind not only of the results of hostilities, but also of the court and the enforcement of the sentence just for this very elite.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 19 May 2020 13: 50 New
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              Quote: abrakadabre
              Mom’s grandfather also fought with the Japanese. In Manchuria. In Russian-Japanese.
              If we remind the elite of Japan, then it is necessary to remind not only of the results of hostilities, but also of the court and the enforcement of the sentence just for this very elite.
              My father, his brother and his uncle fought in 1945 with the Japanese, and my great-grandfather back in 1904 and was awarded the Order of St. Anne

              The highest order is October 6th.
              The Commander’s 1st Manchu Army Award is approved for the difference in cases against the Japanese, from April 19 to July 4, 1904:
              St. Anne 3rd degree with swords and bow:
              military foremen of the 1st Chita regiment of the Transbaikal Cossack army: Vasily Kuklin and Fedor Peshkov.
              Esaulam: 7th Siberian Cossack Regiment to Vlasiy Usov. Ussuri Cossack Regiment: Konstantin Zheltukhin and Dmitry Sheremetyev.
              Poddesaulu 1st Verkhneudinsky regiment Transbaikal Cossack army Vladimir Rzhevsky.

              They must answer for everything.
  4. sergo1914
    sergo1914 19 May 2020 09: 46 New
    +5
    Squeezing the islands is not in trend now. The trend is to squeeze the peninsula. Explain to them someone already. And then they live in the Stone Age.
  5. Masha
    Masha 19 May 2020 09: 52 New
    +3
    Токио снова заговорил о японском суверенитете над "северными территориями".

    AND??? something has changed? poured their soul with a balm of complacency until the next statement ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 19 May 2020 10: 08 New
      +6
      big ones! love
      something has changed?

      the world has changed ... but there is always a place for wasabi
      1. Masha
        Masha 19 May 2020 10: 15 New
        +5
        Hello, Roman! love
        the world has changed ...

        the world and the world that would change ....
        and this ...

        I hope it will remain unshakable yes
        1. novel66
          novel66 19 May 2020 10: 17 New
          +4
          as one literary hero (military) said
          -" несомненно...и так далее!"
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 19 May 2020 10: 31 New
            +3
            Roma, Masha hi
            Everything is numb to him ....
            1. novel66
              novel66 19 May 2020 10: 32 New
              +3
              Volodya, great guys !! if sake ... as well as vodka napiralsi and forgot about the Kuril Islands
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 19 May 2020 10: 35 New
                +2
                Quote: novel xnumx
                vodka najralsy

                Kaneshna! Vodka is what the housekeeper did!
                1. novel66
                  novel66 19 May 2020 10: 37 New
                  +2
                  Kuzhugetych has fooled something,
              2. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 19 May 2020 12: 27 New
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                Quote: novel xnumx
                if sake ... as well as vodka napiralsi and forgot about the Kuril Islands

                Putin probably remembered Stalin and Matsuoka (only then there was cognac) .To pull the minister to his side, Stalin acted wisely in Georgian. After unsuccessful negotiations, Stalin personally arrived at the station with Molotov to see off the Japanese minister. Neither before nor after did Stalin show such honor to anyone. Not even the heads of state were escorted.
                Stalin and Molotov arrived at the station not empty-handed. A generous table was laid in the carriage with delicious snacks and Georgian cognac, the train stood and waited several hours. Matsuoka was so moved that he reveled as a child. Molotov writes that he and Stalin had almost in their arms to bring the minister who had bitten cognac into the compartment. Thanks to Matsuoka, in April 1941 they signed the Soviet-Japanese non-aggression treaty. Although the Japanese after the start of the Second World War in 1941 sent him to prison, and then in 1945, the Americans. But now the Americans rule the Japanese, you can drink, you can not drink.
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 19 May 2020 12: 10 New
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              Quote: Uncle Lee
              Roma, Masha hi
              Everything is numb to him ....

              Мы народ такой, завсегда выпьем и с друзьями и с соседями, но у нас одно правило, "По пьянке мы ничего не обещаем, и ничего не делаем". Удумали что, русского мужика купить за рюмку рисовой самогонки 20 градусной ( у нас в деревне 20 градусов, это отгон, который даже алкаши не пьют).
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 19 May 2020 11: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: novel xnumx
        the world has changed ... but there is always a place for wasabi

        Хоть и вонючие эти "джапанцы", но одно есть у них изумительное - это ВАСАБИ.
        Beauty !
        And what an amazing taste. Oh yes, under the moonshine.
  6. knn54
    knn54 19 May 2020 09: 53 New
    +5
    Японцы,в отличие от Германии, каяться не собираются.Продолжается героизация военных преступников,фальсификация ВМВ.В частности,что Япония сражалась с "китайским терроризмом".Война называется инциндентом,а капитуляция-его окончанием.
    And the islands, it turns out, must be returned. But not transferred.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 May 2020 11: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: knn54
      The heroization of war criminals and the falsification of WWII continue.

      The Japanese mentality is simple, the whole East is the patrimony of Japan, and no one has the right to it. And the business of the Westerners is the West, and there is nothing to interfere with us. You are at war, we are at home. They are taught from the cradle this.
  7. Gardamir
    Gardamir 19 May 2020 09: 54 New
    -6
    What matters is not what Tokyo wants, but what the Kremlin wants. The Kremlin has shown more than once that he says one thing, but does the opposite.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 19 May 2020 10: 38 New
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      Quote: Gardamir
      The Kremlin has shown more than once

      laughing laughing laughing Достал замусоленную жалейку, и раздалось знакомое гнусавое "Ду-ду-ду".
  8. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 19 May 2020 09: 56 New
    -2
    Maybe enough already Dzhapovskimi diplomats so blue? From a dead donkey their ears, not Russian territory.
    It’s necessary to have a bite! (C)
  9. Zolotse
    Zolotse 19 May 2020 09: 57 New
    0
    Some of the leaders of Japan urgently need to divert the attention of the Japanese from other problems that there is no desire to solve (and in the current pandemic situation, there are not enough of them), but at the same time the rating should be increased. Hence the new approach and expansive rhetoric. Long-tried and trouble-free reception ...
    1. muham
      muham 19 May 2020 21: 32 New
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      Quote: Zolotse
      urgently needed to distract the attention of the Japanese from other problems that there is no desire to solve

      Oh oh Is that all? There are other opinions. And the main thing from these opinions is that Russia is falling apart, and the Japanese are in a hurry to rush to stake something for themselves. That is a nod towards China. Of course, they should not wait for them, but nevertheless ...
  10. HAM
    HAM 19 May 2020 10: 04 New
    +2
    Что то навеяло присказку про халву,так и здесь-сколько ни говори "острова,острова",а ближе не станут....
    1. novel66
      novel66 19 May 2020 10: 09 New
      +3
      well, it’s more about donkey and mullah
  11. +5
    +5 19 May 2020 10: 07 New
    +1
    Они дождутся, что "отсутствие мирного договора" мы будем толковать прямо :)))
    But in fact - a minor wrecking of pro-American forces (although today everything is pro-American there, but it is pro-American to the last drop of blood and the last living nippon).
    In the event that the United States leaves for its hemisphere, Nippon has no options to run to anyone at all - only to us ... both the Chinese and Koreans hate (both the communist and capitalist ones from the South Caucasus and Taiwan) and successfully push them out of their niche in the world division of labor.
  12. usr01
    usr01 19 May 2020 10: 08 New
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    поговорка - " с писаной торбой"....
    Japan with the Kuril Islands ...
    Ukraine with Crimea ...
    Phantom pains.
  13. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 19 May 2020 10: 13 New
    +8
    After the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905, Japan received, as necessary, most of the territories belonging to and under the auspices of the Russian Empire:
    - Russia recognized Japan’s right to rule in Korea.
    - Russia ceded part of the territory of Sakhalin Island
    - Russia transferred the Kwantung Peninsula along with Port Arthur to Japan.
      Япония приняла это как должное, а Российская Империя не была против. Но когда Япония проиграла во Второй Мировой войне, Советский Союз получил всё обратно, и по праву победителя забрал Курильские островов ( так как в 1905 году забрала Япония). И какие сейчас могут быть разговоры, как говорил мой преподаватель "Воевать надо было лучше, а сейчас языком молоть надо меньше."
  14. 1536
    1536 19 May 2020 10: 17 New
    +1
    We should declare to the Japanese publicly that in Russian fairy tales actions are always repeated three times. Maybe at least it will cool the ardor of these samurai, stunned by impunity.
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 19 May 2020 12: 07 New
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      Quote: 1536
      We should declare to the Japanese publicly that in Russian fairy tales actions are always repeated three times.

      Как щас помню: "Богатырский удар и один хорош".©
  15. Gunner
    Gunner 19 May 2020 10: 45 New
    +8
    This is due to the slurred position of Russia, then we will consider the transfer of two islands, then the joint use of marine resources, joint economic activity, there is still such nonsense, is that what is it for? Why let in an enemy who marks these territories? And the Ministry of Foreign Affairs needs to abandon diplomatic formulations in explaining to Japan the sovereignty of Russia over the islands, and after such a statement expel the ambassador and break the agreements on joint use.
  16. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 19 May 2020 11: 04 New
    +1
    Here are the restless mongrels. What, once again they are indicatively blown up to calm down?
    These are our territories and the point.
  17. cniza
    cniza 19 May 2020 11: 31 New
    +2
    Как сообщает агентство "Киодо", японское правительство вернуло в "Синюю книгу дипломатии" формулировку о принадлежности южных Курил.


    Though in the blue, even in the red, even in the gray-brown-raspberry-these islands are the territory of Russia.
  18. north 2
    north 2 19 May 2020 11: 48 New
    0
    It’s time in Russia to pass a law that the sanctity of the borders of Russia cannot be discussed anywhere and with no one
    Coca level. Starting with a conversation between two liberals in the kitchen and at Echo of Moscow, and ending with a conversation between Lavrov or
    Putin with foreign politicians at any negotiations wherever they did not pass. For it should
    immediately follow the article of the criminal code of the Russian Federation. This should also be informed to those who, at the official level, sit down at the negotiating table with Russia at
    any topics. But the expansion of the borders of the Russian Federation within the borders of the Russian Empire of 1917 should also be reflected in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. That is, if the top officials of the Russian
    The Federation does not take enough measures or sabotages this expansion of borders to natural and
    drawn by the ancestors of Russia and God within the borders of the Russian Empire in 1917, then for such sabotage
    slowing down the restoration of the Russian Empire, there should also be an article in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
  19. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 19 May 2020 12: 04 New
    -1
    Токио снова заговорил о японском суверенитете над "северными территориями".

    Freedom of speech rules. They can say anything.
  20. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 19 May 2020 12: 18 New
    +1
    On the Japanese islands, the Ainu appeared about 13 thousand years BC. e. [13] and created the Neolithic culture of Jomon. In the Jomon era, the Ainu inhabited all the Japanese islands - from Ryukyu to Hokkaido, as well as the southern half of Sakhalin, the Kuril Islands and the southern third of Kamchatka - as evidenced by the results of archaeological excavations

    The confrontation between the state of Yamato and the Ainu lasted almost one and a half thousand years. For a long time (starting from the VIII and almost to the XV century), the border of the Yamato state passed in the area of ​​the modern city of Sendai, and the northern part of Honshu was very poorly developed by the Japanese. Militarily, the Japanese were inferior to the Ainu for a very long time.

    Что же касается "японских" островов курильской гряды: Кунашир (кстати айнское название Кунашири) был независим от японцев
    In 1769, the centurion Ivan Cherny reported from the Ainu that there is a Japanese fortress on Kunashir. The Japanese carried out the Ainu genocide. What led to armed uprisings: for example, the Ainu revolt in Kunashir in 1789.

    The 1855 Treaty established the state border of the Russian Empire and Japan between Urup and Iturup.

    The Japanese, the newcomer people — who exterminated the local population and used them as slaves — have no justifiable right (other than the long-acting treaty of 1855) to claim these territories.

    I would generally take advantage of the special status of these territories, giving the islands the status of the Ainu Autonomous Okrug as part of the Russian Federation.
    Preservation of these territories as territories under the sovereignty of the Russian Federation for the preservation of the original Ainu people, practically destroyed by the Japanese invaders.
  21. Barmaleyka
    Barmaleyka 19 May 2020 12: 27 New
    0
    Tokyo reaffirmed Japanese sovereignty over the South Kuril Islands
  22. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 19 May 2020 12: 42 New
    0
    It's no use talking to them and accepting their delegations. All this nagging and our reaction to this only erodes the status of our international diplomacy. In general, it would be good for the state. level introduce phased restrictions dip. and economic relations with Japan, if this nonsense continues in the future. One thing must be understood - this country DOES NOT WANT to conclude a peace treaty. Want-come and conclude. In the meantime, there’s nothing to talk about, much less to spend public funds on empty mouths.
  23. orionvitt
    orionvitt 19 May 2020 13: 20 New
    -1
    принято решение о возвращении формулировки "о суверенитете Японии над южными Курилами".
    And what about sovereignty, for example over Okinawa? The most interesting thing is that these statements are made by the state in whose territory there are foreign military bases. Whose cow would moo about sovereignty.
  24. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 19 May 2020 13: 23 New
    0
    Japan and Ukraine will blow in one tune ...
  25. steelmaker
    steelmaker 19 May 2020 14: 38 New
    +1
    Горбачёв ладно, он предатель. Ему надо было как-то обозначиться, что он "свой - буржуинский". А Путин зачем с Лавровым подняли вопрос Курил? Ведь Путина за язык никто не тянул и с пистолетом у головы никто не стоял! На ровном месте проблему создали! А японцы, что китайцы - им только пообещай, век напоминать будут!
    1. Dod Income
      Dod Income 19 May 2020 19: 22 New
      +2
      ... да уж! Не очень то умело тут расставили интересы "развития" инфраструктуры Дальнего и курильской гряды. - ... потомушт свои деньги не хотят, а за счет инвеститоров, а какие "епоцы" инвеститоры надо вспомнить как сожгли Сергея Лазо в паровозной топке( после чего с этим дерьмом и разговаривать то стремно). ... Это наглая публика и им чето объяснять "про совесть" - бесполезное занятие! // Порт Артур, Манчжурия ... - мало разве было и снова к этим туземцам лезти добровольно просто глупость и все
  26. akinfeeffr
    akinfeeffr 19 May 2020 15: 44 New
    0
    As far as I remember, before the Fakushima accident, the theme of the islands was also much exaggerated, right up to the Japanese landing on the islands. Then it calmed down, now the injection begins again.
  27. NF68
    NF68 19 May 2020 16: 18 New
    0
    Dream - at least it's not harmful.
  28. Dod Income
    Dod Income 19 May 2020 19: 10 New
    0
    - Если они не согласны с условиями капитуляции то многим близлежащим странам есть что предъявить за те самурайские проделки, что были совершены и вообще - сможет ли сама Япония существовать с такими намерениями и старыми замашками, т.к. это очень и очень касается соседних государств! - Пусть поимеет это ввиду обязательно! - Теперь не те времена и пусть лучше сидит "тихо", а то сама попадет "под раздачу"!
  29. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 19 May 2020 19: 22 New
    -1
    В августе 1945г Красной Армии нужно было брать Токио и освобождать Японию от "милитаризма и монархии", вернуть "коренному народу о. Хокайдо - айянам" их Родину - о. Хокайдо и включить его в СССР на правах Айнской АССР. И создать ЯНДР - Японскую Народо-Демократическую Республику.
  30. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 19 May 2020 19: 25 New
    0
    I can offer not to buy Japanese goods good
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 20 May 2020 12: 22 New
      0
      do not offend the Chinese, the Japanese goods with us, the vast majority are not released in Japan
  31. noct
    noct 19 May 2020 20: 09 New
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    Come and take .... if there is a strong desire to give Hokkaido or Okinawa
  32. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 19 May 2020 21: 46 New
    0
    as always, everyone needs to be reminded that the Kuril Islands were divided between the USA and the USSR. Add. Treaty: return the northern territories of Japan with the withdrawal of US troops from its space. Japan will never do this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    ps
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0
  33. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 19 May 2020 21: 58 New
    0
    Quote: lvov_aleksey
    as always, everyone needs to be reminded that the Kuril Islands were divided between the USA and the USSR. Add. Treaty: return the northern territories of Japan with the withdrawal of US troops from its space. Japan will never do this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    ps
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0

    there is also a good discussion:
    https://inosmi.ru/infographic/20110218/166650323.html
    one author:
    "эти территории не входят в состав Курильских островов, от которых Япония отказалась по Сан-Францисскому мирному договору 1951 г." Рars pro toto. The whole cannot equal parts. "…создают опасность того, что мы по ошибке примем часть за целое. …encourage us - dangerously - to mistake parts for the whole." Япония отреклась не от Сев. Smoked, and from the Kuril. 1951 San Francisco Treaty 8 Septembeer. Chapter II. Territory. Article 2. (c) "Japan renounces all right, title and claim to the Kurile Islands, … Япония отказывается от прав, правооснований и претензий на Kurile Islands, …" inosmi.ru/fareast/20110216/166572662.html 16/02/11 Мир в наше время: российские зенитные ракеты на Курилах ("Commentary Magazine", США) Дж. Dyer (J. E. Dyer) PJ Crowley made it equally clear that the treaty does not apply to defense of the Kuril Islands, because the islands are “not under Japanese administration.” J. Crowley just as clearly indicated that the treaty does not apply to the defense of the Kuril Islands, since they are not `` under the control of Japan. '' If yap. верхи смотрят в Договор Сан-Франциско и видят после слов "Яп-я отрекается от" вместо реальных 4-рех иероглифов "Чишима ретто" (Архипелаг Kurile, Курилы) 4 виртуальных "Хоппо-но Чишима"(Северные Курилы), то каков может быть клинический ДИАГНОЗ? All the Kuril Islands were called and are called in Japanese by the same name, it sounds something like “Chishima”, which translates as “1000 islands”. The South Kuril Islands are called “Chishima Mines” or “South Chishima”. In the description of the modern revisionist map of the Nemuro Prefecture, where they painstakingly brought the South Kuril Islands. a combination of “Minami Chishima” characters is used. Moreover, in international documents, in particular in memorandum 677 (a separate item, among others, which removed the Kuril Islands from the sovereignty of Japan), the English transcription of Chishima, that is, all the Kuril Islands, was used. It is funny and sad at the same time! Yap-I look like a furious husband. who discovered after a divorce that he was denied access to the body. If you clearly said PAS in the game, you will not succeed in getting involved in a new game! Japan itself recanted in San Francisco in 1951. If the mother gives the child to the orphanage and signs a notarized refusal of the child, then what is the case of the person who wants to adopt to the point that he was not a witness to the signing of the refusal? The same goes for a divorce. How many husbands married to ex-wives have witnessed that divorce? Here we have that in Japan, in the Russian Federation, God forgive me, lawyers. LAW clearly distinguishes between property lost (and newly acquired) and KINDLY . When property is lost, the law discerns that the loss occurred by chance and against the will of the owner. Found someone else's property can not be appropriated and must be returned to the owner in due time. On the contrary, when the owner voluntarily partes with his property, the right claims that the property becomes not owned by anyone, nobody, and, therefore, not only the aforementioned property, but also all rights to its maintenance and use passes to the FIRST person who has taken possession of it them. The claims to the San Francisco agreement are unfounded, since for the Anglo-Saxons the rights of the USSR were self-evident. Japan renounced Kurile (not North-ern Kurile, я. Chishima (not Hoppo-no Chishima) by mature thinking, 6 years after the war.
    1. Angelo Provolone
      Angelo Provolone 20 May 2020 00: 43 New
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      YES. But I don’t understand why Lavrov recalls the 1956 declaration? It makes me think that these flirts with Japan are not just.
      Our government serves the Russian aligarhat. And they have their own plans. Probably think where to dump. Straw yourself
  34. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 20 May 2020 04: 14 New
    0
    Это наша "дипломатия" ! Видимо надо ,как с Крымом -наш ! и никаких вариантов. В ВОВ надо было осторожнее союзников выбирать .
  35. Bear040
    Bear040 20 May 2020 11: 02 New
    0
    It’s time for Russia to recall its claims to Hokkaido ... so that the samurai do not relax too much
  36. nnz226
    nnz226 20 May 2020 13: 54 New
    0
    А что российский МИД? Опять проблеяет про "озабоченность"? Или пошлёт коллегам из Японии банку хрена, чтобы по своим мордам размазали?
  37. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 23 May 2020 19: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Angelo Provolone
    YES. But I don’t understand why Lavrov recalls the 1956 declaration? It makes me think that these flirts with Japan are not just.
    Our government serves the Russian aligarhat. And they have their own plans. Probably think where to dump. Straw yourself

    I am not a lawyer, and not a diplomat