Military Review

Stibbert Museum in Florence: knights at arm's length

147
Stibbert Museum in Florence: knights at arm's length

Knight's Hall at the Stibbert Museum. One of the riders of his cavalcade ...


A rich city was at my feet, a powerful state was in my power, the cellars of a treasury full of gold and silver, precious stones were opened to me alone. I took only 200 thousand pounds. Gentlemen, so far I have not ceased to wonder at my own modesty.
Robert Clive. (It was said by Clive before the court of the English Parliament in 1774 when Clive was accused of huge abuses as the governor of Bengal. Specifically, here is an episode of the capture and plunder of the English by Murshidabad after the victory at Plessis in 1757. The court sentenced Clive to death, but at the same time offered to put Clive to death a monument to him for "the great and worthy services rendered to the British crown!")


Museums of the world. Now, when traveling abroad is complicated by quarantine measures of different countries, we are involuntarily staying at home, but this does not mean that we do not have access to someone else's information space. Still, the information society has its advantages: without leaving home, we can look today at a variety of museums in the world. And each of them is interesting and unique in its own way, but some are more interesting than others. And today we’ll tell you about one such museum. This is the Stibbert Museum in Florence!


View of the museum building from the park

Grandfather Governor General!


There is Montugi Hill in Florence, and it’s precisely on this hill that the Stibbert Museum is located. It has over 36000 inventory numbers (about fifty thousand items), most of which are exhibited in its halls. And many of them are truly unique. Well, he got his name by the name of its creator Frederick Stibbert (1838-1906), whose grandfather, Gilles Stibbert, became rich, being the commander in chief of the troops of the British East India Company, which operated in Bengal at the end of the XNUMXth century, and then for many years was there the governor general. As the rich officers who were in the service of the English officers, it is well described in Wilkie Collins’s novel "The Moonstone." The fate of Sir Robert Clive, also a Bengal governor, is indicative in this case. However, Stibbert’s grandfather was lucky in every way. He put together wealth and remained alive.


The creator of the museum, Frederick Stibbert, loved to show off in knightly armor. Yes, and why be surprised? There were so many of them!

Pure british eccentricity


The wealth of his grandfather passed to the father of Frederick Thomas, who was a true British in every way, although not without eccentricity: he rose to the rank of colonel of the elite regiment of the Cold Stream Horse Guards, but after the Napoleonic company he decided to first settle in Rome, and then in Florence, and even married Italian Tuscan Julia Kafaji. However, here he was in his full right, and no one condemned him for this. A man of noble blood, and even with money, married a beautiful Italian. Yes, you could only dream about it! As a British citizen, he was educated at Cambridge, but he was extremely intolerant of the strict rules prevailing in college. But he loved Italy sincerely, and was especially attached to the Florentine house of Montugi, which was bought by his mother and became their family home.

Happiness is not in money, but in their quantity!


Young Stibbert inherited all the fabulous wealth of his family already in 1859, and since then has only been doing what he spent on his passion, and very expensive: he collected antiques and art. But you can’t say that all this time he lived in an ivory tower. In 1866, he volunteered to join the Garibaldi militia and took part in the Trentino campaign, for which he was awarded the silver medal for valor. However, this was his only contribution to the military traditions of his family.


He also sniffed gunpowder ...

Want a collection of artifacts? Go to Tuscany!


I must say that in the XIX century Tuscany was distinguished by an incredibly cheap life, and ownerless and completely useless works of art came across at almost every step. Tourists who came here poured pieces of marble from ancient columns, and scratched their names on the legendary walls. Florence at that time was considered a real paradise for collectors, since there were a lot of impoverished nobles, and its representatives were glad, very glad to part with their "antiquities" as soon as possible, especially for good money. It was in this way that not only the Stibbert Museum appeared here, but also the Horpe Museum.


We walk through the halls of the museum and see what is interesting there. Of course, let's start with the Riders Hall. However, the hall is small. And this chamberness and saturation with exhibits are most striking!


Come closer ... Impressive, isn't it?


Even closer. Ah, what a gorgeous corrugated plate, right?

Frederic’s collection was based on his grandfather’s trophies, which he obtained in India and became the basis of the museum’s Indian collection. They became the fruit of the initial assembly, which, already supplemented by Stibbert, was preserved after his death, and not only preserved, but also significantly increased due to the gifts made to the museum and the subsequent purchases made by it. The fact is that before he died, Stibbert bequeathed the house and all its contents to the Museum of Florence. And since 1906, the inhabitants of Florence were able to use it historical and cultural heritage. Well, it’s clear that the museum’s income allowed it to acquire interesting artifacts. By the way, Frederick himself, having acquired the collection of his grandfather, then recovered to travel to Europe and the countries of the East, and wherever he could buy weapon, armor, paintings, clothing and porcelain.


But this aspect of them is especially good! The presence of plate mittens, not gloves, indicates that this armor appeared no earlier than 1520, that is, when the “Maximilian armor” entered the water. Because this year in Italy they began to refuse them. But these are the armor of Italian work, of rounded, “soft” outlines. Incidentally, even the shells of the leg plates are made corrugated. Well, horse armor just as vividly shows what the most afraid of armor-plating armored horses: arrows, plummeting from above. Hence the plate on the withers from above and only chain mail on the neck and chest. Openwork muzzle and “sword with a ring” at the crosshairs - again, the beginning of the XVI century

How much can a man with big money do!


He placed all this in his mother’s villa, and when her premises were already in short supply, he invited the architect Giuseppe Poggi, the artist Gaetano Bianchi and the sculptor Passaggia to complete the building and design all the rooms of the museum in the same style. In total, today it has 60 rooms in which the collections of Stibbert, collected by him around the world, are exhibited. Many walls are covered with tapestries, upholstered in leather, decorated with paintings, which, however, are relatively few. Collections of porcelain, furniture, Etruscan artifacts, Tuscan crucifixes and the military uniform of the Napoleonic army are of much greater value. Most of all, Stibbert’s collection of weapons and armor contains 16 items. I just can’t believe that all this (almost everything) was collected by the work of just one person, and not just collected, but cataloged, described and turned into museum exhibits!


This knight is on the opposite side, and he will need to be “rewound” in time in the 1500th century, but its very end. The classic armor of the transition from the "round" armor to the "Maximilian", and this is XNUMX! But the most interesting thing on this equestrian figure is a blanket! It is, as it should be, a coat of arms, with the croup and neck framed as emblems, and we see two other emblems on both sides of it below. The emblem depicts green squirrel fur on a golden field, a scarlet "belt" and on it are three golden bezanth. It’s a very interesting coat of arms, and it certainly belonged to someone ...

The Hall of the Riders: Knights at arm's length


The most amazing thing about the museum’s exposition is the “Horsemen’s Hall” - a large room with statues of horse knights and 14 statues of soldiers in full armor. Moreover, and this is very important for museum visitors, they are not placed behind glass, not in cabinets, like similar figures of horsemen in the Paris Army Museum, but literally at arm's length. That is, you can go past them, inspect both the front and the back, photograph small parts of armor, often of great interest, from close range. Stibbert did not like this arrangement of armor, and he preferred to arrange spectacular installations from them. Most of them are dressed in armor of the XNUMXth century, and among them there are both armor of mass, "serial production" and truly unique pieces.


But these are no longer knights. That is, the “knights” in armor, and maybe even of origin, but they belonged to a completely different cavalry. Plate gloves with individual fingers - this is already 1530, that is, in front of us is a lance-spearman or their commander. And behind him with a scarlet bandage over his shoulder - this, of course, is a cuirassier


Close-up hand and perfectly crafted arme helmet


Another helmet of this type in 1590. Made in France. Please note that with all its utilitarianism, this helmet is exquisitely trimmed. That is, we have a piece of work to order, which was very, very expensive!


Grotesque helmet. Such helmets appeared around 1510.

All weapons of Europe


Stibbert himself created this part of the collection from beginning to end, and he worked on it during his career as a collector from 1860 until the end of the century. It presents many examples of both cold and firearms dating back to the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries, as well as individual artifacts of the XNUMXth and XNUMXth centuries, and a number of archaeological finds. The weapons and armor of the XNUMXth century were made by Italian, German and French masters. Among them are both combat and tournament armor.


Among those "guys" that stand, there are also very rare specimens. How do you like these armor, for example, with coinage under the scales? Why was there such a thing? But they did the same ...


The sword here is enough for a whole company of musketeers!

The Turks sold it, and Stibbert bought it!


Two museum halls are reserved for the collection of Islamic weapons, the homeland of which is the Muslim Near and Middle East. Stibbert certainly inherited some artifacts from his grandfather, but at the end of the century he bought a significant part of the collection in the arsenal of St. Irina in Istanbul, which was disbanded, and the weapons stored there went on sale.


Already East! Turkish sipah cavalry armor ...


XVI century Turkish helmet


Turkish, Persian, and Indian sabers and broadswords ...


Eastern cavalcade

One of the best Japanese collections!


The museum has three halls for weapons and armor in Japan, and at first it was planned that a collection of European weapons and armor would be exhibited there. However, around 1880, Stibbert became interested in the weapons of Japan, which became available after its integration into the world community, which followed after the events of 1868. It is noted that this collection is today one of the most significant collections among all those that are outside of Japan.


Samurai Armor

There are 95 sets of complete samurai weapons, 200 helmets, as well as 285 other artifacts, more than a hundred long and short swords and various pole arms. Here you can see 880 tsub (guards hilt) and many other attributes of samurai exceptionally fine dressing. Almost all objects belong to the intermediate time between the periods of Momoyama and Edo (1568–1868), but there are also very ancient ones dating back to the XIV century.


There are 95 sets in the museum! Samurai armor, as you see, behind the glass. This is because their preservation is a very difficult matter. The silk cords connecting the shell plates eat a moth. Therefore, you have to keep them in such carefully closed windows

Canvases as illustrations


A feature of the paintings in the art gallery of the Stibbert Museum is a multitude of portraits of various historical characters in costumes of the era between the XNUMXth and XNUMXth centuries. Moreover, many of them are valuable precisely because they are reproduced in the most detailed way, both civilian and military costumes of those years, which turns them into beautiful picturesque additions to the corresponding collections of artifacts.


Their helmets. And not simple, but officer and, therefore, very expensive!


Their swords ...

Among them there are very interesting paintings such as Madonna by A. Allori, several portraits of the Medici family, two paintings by Peter Brueghel the Younger, as well as a series of still lifes exhibited in the dining room of the villa, where two large canvases by Luke Giordano hang.

At one time, the “Madonna” by Sandro Botticelli, the “Two Saints” by the Venetian Carlo Crivelli, the painting “Madonna and Child” by the maestro from Verrocchio and a beautifully executed portrait of Francesco de Medici, attributed to Agnolo Bronzino, were kept here. But then they got to other museums.


Here they were in the era of Momoyama and Edo. As you can see, you can approach almost everyone here! But you also have to carefully monitor this exposure!

Services from the marquise


Porcelain in the Stibbert collection is truly royal. It contains products of the XIX century and the collection of Miracles, transferred to the museum in 1914. It contains old artifacts produced by various porcelain manufactories, and its decoration: beautiful three large and very rich sets from Ginori 1750 release. They are interesting for their history. After all, this production was founded by the Marquis Carlo Andrea Ginori, who launched the “Doxy Manufactory” in Doxy, in the villa of a family estate, back in 1735!


Faces look very impressive

"Palm-based outfit"


There is a room in the Stibbert collection, which is called the "Small Costume of Italy." His exhibits are periodically replaced, but the main thing in her is that she is very rich - this is a rich collection of clothes not only in Europe, but also in the Near, Middle and Far East. Moreover, Indian clothes are also located in the hall, where Indian weapons and armor are exhibited, and clothes from Japan, China and Korea are next to the armor of samurai and Chinese and Korean warriors.

The final person in the clothing collection was none other than Napoleon I, but all because Stebbert had a lively interest in his personality. And he eventually spilled into a whole room, so many interesting artifacts related to this great man, he managed to collect.


And in the museum you can buy large-scale figures of knights, including those presented in its exposition. Although they are very expensive!

First of all, there is an outfit that the emperor put on on the occasion of the coronation, ascending the throne of the kingdom. It combined green color (a color symbolizing Italy) with embroidery with motifs of palm trees, ears, bees and the letter “N” - a large emblem of a small Corsican.


The interiors of the living rooms of Frederick Stibbert are also not inferior in their wealth to the museum collection

After walking around the museum, you can then go to the park


The museum building is really surrounded by a beautiful park created by the architect Giuseppe Poggi. As was customary in English parks, it has small temples, mysterious shady grottoes and picturesque fountains.


Egyptian temple in a lake park

The park has a building of a limonaria by the same architect in the neoclassical style, where lemons and various rare plants were grown. There is a Hellenistic-style temple and an Egyptian temple that fully meets the tastes of the Egyptian (built by Stibbert between 1862 and 1864), as well as a stable, reconstructed in 1858 at the request of Stibbert and his mother, who were also fond of expensive horses! And that’s all, Stibbert donated it to the city of Florence as a public museum! And after that there are still people who dare to say that wealth is bad, and poverty is good. Even many thousands of loaders and workers, working around the clock, could not create such a museum. And Stibbert was able and eventually gave it to all of us!

PS There is also a cafe and a bookstore in the museum. And admission is only 8 euros!
Author:
Articles from this series:
Spanish Cartagena: Museum of Military History
Maritime Museum of Lloret, Indianos Town
Royal Armory in Madrid. Weapons and Armor Collection of the Spanish Kings
Polish shells, Austrian hussars and Turkish fives
Cuirassiers in museums
Enemies of the Cuirassiers
With whom the latniks of the emperor Maximilian fought?
“A small discovery in the butt of an arquebus ...”
Horsemen of the Eighty Years War
Horses and saddles of the XVI-XVII centuries
“By people and by horses, not by aer”
Ordonance companies
“It's a miracle if someone is killed with a spear”
147 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. Crowe
    Crowe 26 May 2020 05: 40 New
    17
    Thanks for the interesting and fascinating tour! Special thanks for the mass of high-quality photos!
    1. cost
      cost 26 May 2020 08: 17 New
      13
      Thanks to the author for a fascinating tour! Bravo!
  2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 26 May 2020 05: 49 New
    13
    Just one word - awesome !!!
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, thank you very much for the tour, with respect Vlad!
    1. kalibr
      26 May 2020 08: 07 New
      13
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Regards Vlad!

      Literally just visited virtually another interesting open-air museum (although there is also a building with a roof there!) In England and has already received permission from their curator to use their photos. So very soon there will be another very interesting tour in the era of imperial Rome!
  3. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 26 May 2020 05: 54 New
    +8
    Unfortunately, the photo captions of Japanese swords and helmets are mixed up.
    1. kalibr
      26 May 2020 07: 02 New
      11
      Well, this trouble is small.
      1. cost
        cost 26 May 2020 08: 09 New
        10
        Nowadays, the museum is managed by a fund established by will in the will of Stibbert himself. He left all his museum heritage primarily to the British nation, and in case of failure - to the city of Florence, which, as happened, came into the right of the primary heir. The duties that were precisely fulfilled were charged with preserving the collections in the places and surroundings reserved for them, and opening the museum for visiting in order to acquaint scientists with him and educate young people.
  4. tlauicol
    tlauicol 26 May 2020 06: 22 New
    10
    What a splendor, bravo! The perfect museum!
    Such chamber museums are much more pleasant to visit - you will not get tired and cover everything that is there. And I like the asymmetrical shapes inscribed in the landscape. Well, the collection is simply amazing! I regret that I did not go!
    Memories of Florence love
    1. kalibr
      26 May 2020 07: 01 New
      +9
      Glad you liked it. I had a daughter and a son-in-law there, but, alas, they didn’t get to this museum. It was very hot, and the heat was relaxing. And they already looked a lot of things there, and as a result, they were still not able to go here. It’s a pity, because now in Italy, most likely, I just won’t get there. The family said enough!
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 26 May 2020 07: 31 New
        11
        Yes, you cannot embrace the immensity. Our little daughter often slept in her arms while we climbed caves and bell towers lol And in the gallery Uffizi fell asleep. But I saw Botticelli and Donatello, Michelangelo and Leonardo, and the sculpture of the ancients and much more. It costs a lot.
        But this museum was simply shocked good
        1. kalibr
          26 May 2020 08: 00 New
          11
          Quote: Tlauicol
          But I saw Botticelli and Donatello, Michelangelo and Leonardo, and the sculpture of the ancients and much more.

          Do not poison my soul wounds. And we arrived in Venice and on the way there my granddaughter got seasick on the boat, then it was terribly hot, and we escaped in the coolness of the Doge's Palace, on the way to the maritime museum, her head baked and had to buy an umbrella (the third for the trip!), Then in the museum she it became bad and his wife had to water it with water. Then ... we sat in the shade by the canal and stupidly waited for the boat ... "We're not going to Venice again!"
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 26 May 2020 08: 51 New
            +9
            Yes, it’s difficult for a child to explain what the hell you need to cut uphill in the heat in order to inspect the ruins, or stare at pictures instead of ice cream and the sea. We always tried to share a vacation: 7-10 days to us, and 7-10 days to her to the beach. She endured stoically from the age of three, although it came to tears (and without complaints and tantrums), when she completely lost her strength, she began to cry in silence. Such are the parents)). Summer is hot and hard everywhere. But every year with us!
            And now the trouble is
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 26 May 2020 09: 12 New
            10
            Quote: kalibr

            Do not poison my soul wounds. And we arrived in Venice and on the way there my granddaughter got seasick on the boat, then it was terribly hot, and we escaped in the coolness of the Doge's Palace, on the way to the maritime museum, her head baked and had to buy an umbrella (the third for the trip!), Then in the museum she it became bad and his wife had to water it with water. Then ... we sat in the shade by the canal and stupidly waited for the boat ... "We're not going to Venice again!"

            The experience gained with my eldest son forever weaned me from traveling with young children - this is not a vacation sad
            1. kalibr
              26 May 2020 09: 24 New
              +7
              She was almost 16 years old at that time! And we started to ride with her when she was 3 years old!
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 26 May 2020 09: 33 New
                +7
                Wow
                Wife with him first went to Greece when he was 5
            2. Ryazan87
              Ryazan87 26 May 2020 15: 05 New
              +5
              I fully support it - to carry small children (up to 6-7 years old for sure) with them on vacation, which includes visiting museums and sights - 100% mockery. Moreover: a) above itself; b) over the child; c) over others.
              Personally, my opinion is that children under 5 years old, if you take it on vacation, it’s rather a sanatorium type within Russia. I myself went recently to Essentuki - I liked it very much. A brand new sanatorium, mild climate, greenery, clean air and medical supervision. This will not hurt a small child. It’s better to take to Italy later, to form a good taste on architecture and painting.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 26 May 2020 15: 12 New
                +3
                That's right - with children only at a spa or Lego / Disney Land.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 26 May 2020 18: 17 New
                  +3
                  My first joint vacation with children turned into filming my middle son in the cinema. wassat
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 26 May 2020 18: 24 New
                    +3
                    Wow
                    Have you paid?
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 26 May 2020 18: 30 New
                      +1
                      Yes, and not bad. The child really wanted a laptop, he earned it. True, mother, I squeezed out one thing ...
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 26 May 2020 18: 31 New
                        +1
                        All out of love for children - to read books fellow And did not climb on the Internet
                        What kind of movie, if not secret?
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 26 May 2020 18: 34 New
                        +1
                        All out of love for yourself, beloved.
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 26 May 2020 18: 38 New
                        +1
                        Yes, of course, it was sarcasm))
                        With my twins, only one celebrity of the Russian TNT-shnogo value took a picture - from the series Univer laughing At the request of their nanny
                      4. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 26 May 2020 18: 43 New
                        +1
                        Bezrukov and Dyuzhev starred there. No, Maykov was not. I'm not so old! laughing
                      5. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 26 May 2020 18: 45 New
                        0
                        I know very little Russian cinema - only Brother and the First Part of DMB)).
                      6. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 26 May 2020 19: 24 New
                        +1
                        Bezrukov, Dyuzhev and Maykov are the main actors in the TV series "Brigade".
                        Meanwhile, Russian cinema is very, very good. Watch "Dislike", dir. A. Zvyagintsev.
                      7. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 26 May 2020 19: 29 New
                        +1
                        Ok thanks
  • cost
    cost 26 May 2020 08: 11 New
    +6
    Thank you very much, Vyacheslav, for a wonderful interesting article and rich illustrations. good
  • mr.ZinGer
    mr.ZinGer 26 May 2020 07: 34 New
    +8
    Was there in the winter of 2017, an amazing place. There were two of us in the museum, me and my wife, which added atmosphere.
    The impression was very strong, many details were remembered.
    This museum is like a cherry on a cake to all the splendor of Florence
    1. kalibr
      26 May 2020 07: 57 New
      +6
      Vladimir! What about cool pics, huh?
      1. mr.ZinGer
        mr.ZinGer 26 May 2020 07: 58 New
        +7
        Unfortunately, we were asked to take pictures without a flash, so the trouble with photographs.
        1. kalibr
          26 May 2020 08: 08 New
          +6
          A powerful lens eliminates this, but apparently you didn’t have it?
          1. mr.ZinGer
            mr.ZinGer 26 May 2020 08: 10 New
            +6
            You are right, an old Sony soap box.
            1. kalibr
              26 May 2020 08: 54 New
              +5
              My granddaughter has an iPhone, as befits a modern young girl, and she shot them without a flash in the Dresden Armory when I ran out of battery in Canon. And it turned out pretty well ...
          2. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 26 May 2020 11: 01 New
            +7
            A powerful lens eliminates this, but apparently you didn’t have it?

            does not eliminate, Vyacheslav Olegovich. It is still important lighting and the structure of the window. sad
            I have a question on this photo:

            How do you like these armor, for example, with coinage under the scales?
            If we look at the helmet of the owner of the lat, also stylized as scales, we can say that it looks more like an infantry cabasset. That is, according to the model, it was usually a helmet for greedy former commoners who had strayed into a group, tied ribbons of the same color, and went to earn penens. fellow I'm wondering whose armor is this? Some kind of rich infantry leader? hi
            Colleagues, if I'm wrong - enlighten me! drinks Thanks to the author for the article, to those present - for the forum. good
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 26 May 2020 11: 56 New
              +8
              Honestly, I did not understand the question. If you think that the cassette is a helmet for the people of the Holocaust, then you are mistaken. By the way, it was the Italian cassettes that were distinguished by exquisite coinage and blackening.

              If you want to know the specific owner of the armor "under scales", then you should contact the museum. This is a ceremonial armor made in Florence between 1600-1610. But for whom - it may be known in the museum.
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 26 May 2020 12: 00 New
                +5
                If you think that the cassette is a helmet for the people of the Holocaust, then you are mistaken.

                Messir, before you answer, I must confess, I thought that the cassette was a helmet for the cocky greedy wizards! hi no, it’s clear that the guard was also dressed in cabassettes, but, nevertheless, this is an infantry helmet, right? That is, the scaly helmet belonged to someone high-ranking, but at war, or serving, on foot? drinks on horseback didn’t fight in such?
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 26 May 2020 12: 15 New
                  +5
                  but still it’s an infantry helmet, right?
                  Most often, he appears in literature. However, I met information that in the XV century in France it was used by cavalry.
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 26 May 2020 12: 27 New
                    +5
                    that in the XNUMXth century in France it was used by cavalry.

                    the question is, in which cavalry? Perhaps the knight should not wear this? what
                    The "iron-sided" Cromwell had light helmets. Here's what they were called - I don't know! Here, just on the rider. The infantryman on the left has a hybrid of Morion and Cabasset. This was also - judging by one exhibit in the Artillery Museum, which is called "Morion-Cabasset". drinks

                    And here on the rider on the left is also a cassette. Perhaps the author’s fiction. On the other hand, the Civil War and other obscenities. There is no longer pretentiousness, any pot on the head will go behind the helmet, if only it would hold a blow. hi
                    1. Undecim
                      Undecim 26 May 2020 12: 38 New
                      +5
                      The cassette was widely used during the Civil War in England. And in foreign literature, cabassets are often regarded as a kind of morion.
                    2. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 26 May 2020 12: 43 New
                      +6
                      the cassette is often regarded as a kind of morion.

                      in principle, a fair idea!
                      The top photo shows a seated infantryman in the center of a morion uniform, which shows the "origin" of a helmet from an infantry chapel-chapel. Unfold the edges - you get a chapel! drinks
          3. Mihaylov
            Mihaylov 26 May 2020 16: 50 New
            +2
            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            How do you like these armor, for example, with coinage under the scales?

            That's interesting: is it a stylization for karacen armor or something else?
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 26 May 2020 16: 52 New
              +1
              Is it stylization like karacen armor or something else?

              Sergey, I’m not good at armor, I repent ... recourse Here Vyacheslav Olegovich or Viktor Nikolaevich, perhaps, will be able to enlighten! drinks
            2. kalibr
              26 May 2020 18: 35 New
              +2
              Good question! Great!!! The special gave this photo ... and behold. Alas, I didn’t stand nearby and I cannot answer for sure. In appearance, of course, stylization. But why? What is the point? Really "for the sake of beauty" ... Eh, I should stand next to a magnifying glass ... Such armor has no stronger protective functions in comparison with smooth armor, this is understandable.
              1. Mihaylov
                Mihaylov 26 May 2020 20: 33 New
                +1
                Quote: kalibr
                In appearance - of course, stylization. But why? What is the point? Is it really "for the sake of beauty" ...

                If this is the XVII century, then the influence of Polish fashion is possible, after the battle of Vienna. Karakensky armor was very popular among the Poles, and it was precisely for its external effect that the protective qualities of such armor were just so-so. There is a picture of Jan Sobessky in such armor. But all these are just assumptions, it can all be simpler: the artist saw so - it’s simply beautiful!
                1. kalibr
                  26 May 2020 21: 46 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Mihaylov
                  But all these are just assumptions, it can all be simpler: the artist saw so - it’s simply beautiful!

                  Yes, probably...
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 26 May 2020 09: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: Tlauicol
    The perfect museum!

    The museum is really beautiful. The only question is - what museum? Chivalrous artifacts? Are you sure that these are artifacts?
    1. kalibr
      26 May 2020 09: 25 New
      +8
      Well, Stibbert bought it all in the 19th century. And he understood what he was buying!
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 26 May 2020 09: 38 New
        -2
        Quote: kalibr
        Well, Stibbert bought it all in the 19th century. And he understood what he was buying!

        Yes, of course, of course. After all, this is Stibbert! And not some Vasya Pupkin. And the commercial component here, of course, is not.
        1. kalibr
          26 May 2020 10: 31 New
          +8
          You might think that you have not read the article. The collection was based on his grandfather, the Governor of Bengal. "Great Sahib" who could do anything! You will also write that the rubies in the handles of the sabers that he brought from there are counterfeit because the locals cheated him ... The collection of the collection continued in Italy - at that time a poor country, where the heirs of the nobility sold their property for next to nothing. But this is the 16th century, at least. Then he bought the arsenal collection at Fort St. Irina in Istanbul - and this is also the 16th century. At that time, no one would have thought of faking all this. What for? When were there heaps of originals? In addition, Stibbbert was rich, and not just rich, but very rich, and he bought primarily for himself. It was he who later gave all this to the city before his death. And at first it was all his ... So what is the commercial component? What is this capital? Undoubtedly, and he understood this, it is understandable that he did not dispossess his relatives either. The fact that he is not Vasya Pupkin, but an English aristocrat to the core, is also clear to everyone. Concepts of honor and dignity were in his blood. What in all this does not suit you personally?
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 26 May 2020 10: 45 New
            -4
            Quote: kalibr
            The concepts of honor and dignity were in his blood.

            Yes, the concepts of honor and dignity of the arrogant Saxons are known to us from their foreign policy.
            Or did the blood suddenly go bad?
            Quote: kalibr
            What in all this does not suit you personally?

            The museum has an M-50 strategic bomber. Made in a single copy. Is this a weapon?
            The armor of the knights in the museum, are they real for battle? Or for ... a museum?
            1. kalibr
              26 May 2020 10: 51 New
              +6
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              The armor of the knights in the museum, are they real for battle? Or for ... a museum?

              We are not talking about politics, but about the museum collection. And where in this museum did you see the M-50 bomber? What a strange way to skip from topic to topic? Remember the still starving children in Zimbabwe. And the armor is both military and ceremonial. Here have already been my articles about them and about fake armor ... Look at your profile or look in the search engine. All this has already been written here repeatedly.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 26 May 2020 11: 04 New
                -8
                Quote: kalibr

                And where in this museum did you see the M-50 bomber? What a strange manner

                What a dumb you are. Museum exhibits are called artifacts. With a claim that they were used for their intended purpose.
                And I argue that this armor was made not for battle, but most likely for the future museum by order of the museum organizer. And the fact that he allegedly said that he bought them for fabulous money on Mars, well, that's normal, for any Aglitz lord with a commercial vein.
                The M-50 was also never used as a weapon. - understandably?
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 26 May 2020 12: 24 New
                  +5
                  You, for a start, decide what you mean by "artifact". This word has more than two dozen meanings.
                  Any artificially created object that has certain physical characteristics can be called a cultural artifact. And your statements are not worth a damn, due to the mega-distance from the issue under consideration.
                2. kalibr
                  26 May 2020 12: 34 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  And I argue that this armor was made not for battle, but most likely for the future museum by order of the museum organizer.

                  To claim this, you must be a specialist in this field. But you even inattentively read my text. Stibbert bought it all for himself. Why would he deceive himself? At first it was his collection, his personal museum for himself ... for YOURSELF! Again! And here it is: "Look in the profile or search in a search engine. All this has already been written here many times.". All this was already discussed ...
                3. Hantengri
                  Hantengri 26 May 2020 12: 37 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  And I argue that this armor was made not for battle, but most likely for the future museum by order of the museum organizer.

                  Those. Are you saying that all this armor was made in the second half of the XNUMXth century, specifically for fooling gullible "dummies"? Good reasons are needed for such claims. Are you a genius connoisseur of medieval weapons, capable of identifying a fake at one glance at a photograph? Did you carry out an independent examination of these artifacts and it revealed a forgery? "What is your evidence?" (C)
                  1. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 26 May 2020 18: 09 New
                    -2
                    Quote: HanTengri
                    "What is your evidence?" (C)

                    The cost! For window dressing - dear. For war - cheap and reliable, without unnecessary jewelry.
                    Most of the museum armor shown is ostentatious, which means they are not armor.
                    1. kalibr
                      26 May 2020 18: 30 New
                      +3
                      Then life was different! Remember the hussar uniforms of 1812? Isn't window dressing? But you do not consider them so. All these cords, edging, sewing ... And uniforms of cavalry guards, a lancer - everything is expensive! Because it was so accepted! And before that? Prior to that, it was accepted that the rank and file officer wore cheap, black-painted armor, and his noble officer ordered them. So jewelry was not unnecessary, like embroidered blankets, ostrich feathers, silk scarves. It was a status, a demonstration of nobility, strength and wealth. Do you remember ... only Alexander 3 thought of a cheap uniform and how did his reform end? Every second officer resigned! I could not part with tsatskami. And this is the end of the 19th century. And here we are talking about 16-17 ... yes then for tsatski ... Portos put on a band embroidered with gold, why? Novel? Yes, a novel, but it was. Then really met by clothes. And the soldiers ... in armor!
                    2. Hantengri
                      Hantengri 26 May 2020 21: 40 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      The cost! For window dressing - dear.

                      Right. For the tournament, i.e. for show, a respected person from a decent family, ideally, was simply obliged to wear something similar in value and status to the modern Bentley, "doused in gold, sprinkled with diamonds and again doused in gold." (c). Well, or at least try to get as close as possible to this ideal, trying to maintain a difficult balance between the size of your ambitions and the volume of your wallet.
                      It is these tournament gilded "show-offs" that form the basis of the knightly collections of all museums.
                      Understand that they are tournament, all so beautiful and not suitable for real combat (some armor was specially created for certain types of tournament competitions), it does not mean that they are fake.
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      For war - cheap and reliable, without unnecessary jewelry.

                      Armor for war, clearly, must be more functional. And, now, about the jewelry you are not quite right.
                      Even on the battlefield, Lord Big Bump, from King's Landing should look a bit richer than Sir Dranaya's Chainmail from Dog Fleas, because:
                      1) Otherwise, it will not be clear who is in charge and whose orders should be followed. (For other insignia, except for emblems and gold on armor, they had not yet been invented).
                      2) When captured, with Lord Big Bump, in gilded armor, you should be treated with extreme care and caution (even if you do not know who it is), because you can take a considerable ransom for a dude in this outfit. And, here, Sir Dranay Kolchug, in a shabby grandfather’s brigandine, it’s better to cut it right away, because feeding him is not cost-effective.
                  2. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 26 May 2020 18: 27 New
                    +3
                    "What is your evidence?" (C)
                    "And Baba Yaga is against!" (FROM)
    2. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 26 May 2020 12: 12 New
      +8
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      Are you sure that these are artifacts?

      Let's argue.
      It’s not difficult to deceive us, due to our ignorance in determining the authenticity of exhibits, even if we pick up some helmet or broadsword, we won’t be able to determine that this is an original or a remake. So? Well, okay, I’ll only talk about myself. I can not. I'm starting to doubt.
      What does a normal person do when in doubt? Correctly, checks. How to check something without being a specialist? That's right, consult a specialist. Who is the specialist? That's right, an expert working in the right one has grown for a long time, earning his living by his activity.
      And here again I doubt - the expert will confirm anything for the owner’s money in order to increase the price and significance of the item. Greedy capitalists, will become with them. What to do, how to get to the truth?
      We recall that we still know about the capitalist world. So, exploitation, imperialism ... oh! Competition! The greedy capitalists will crush each other in the framework of competition, so we go to another specialist, a competitor of the first ...
      No, apparently they still have a monopoly conspiracy among themselves. Can this be? Well ... I don't know, I guess. But I am a skeptical, sane and rational person. I cannot say "a" without completing the whole alphabet. Since I doubt everything, it means including the existence of such a conspiracy.
      We continue to reason sensibly and logically. If we can answer two questions: who and how could arrange such a conspiracy, we can consider the fact of conspiracy to be possible.
      Who! It is clear who are the masters making fakes. So that they are not exposed. No, it won’t. Buyers would certainly have exposed the masters - they have more money, they would give more money to experts. Ah, well then it’s clear who - just the buyer-owners. So stop, and why do they need it? To pay more for a cheap remake? It is clear why - to buy cheaper, and then sell as antiquity. To whom? To the museum. To another collector. And he doesn’t have his own expert who will determine the fake? So experts are in collusion! Who organized this conspiracy? It’s clear that the masters are doing ... Damn it turns out some kind of vicious circle!
      Okay, move on to the next question: how?
      Yes, as easy as shelling pears - everything was agreed. And for a long time. Century that way in the XIX, not later, or even earlier ... It is interesting, by the way, how they agreed - everything at once, in Germany, France, England, Italy, Russia, China - or first everyone at home, and then all together ? By the way, yes, I wonder how it was ... Someone gathered all the experts from all countries, they signed some kind of document ... Hardly. No, of course, the meeting was in each country separately. Secret. Then, from each meeting, the delegates came together, again, secretly and agreed in general. And no one, either then or in the next two hundred years, found out about this, did not blabber, well done guys. What a corporate solidarity, what a high degree of organization! No, really, well done. To create such a strict and clear international organization is almost unbelievable. Yes, just unbelievable! Incredible ... Incredible? Mmmm ...
      Well, let's move on to the next question. What do we have there next?
      Let's say there is a conspiracy, just believe it. And thanks to him, modern remakes massively settled in museums and private collections of innocent rich uncles and aunts. Museum experts, by the way, are also in cahoots, they are generally accepted as experts only after they give a signature on participation in the collusion of experts. This is a condition for issuing a state license. State. The state maintains museums. Damn, I'm somehow confused. So, wait. The state issues licenses to people so that they check for the authenticity of something there, but so that they do not expose fakes, so that the state should pay more? No, this cannot be. Then just to fill the storage facilities, such as genuine samples and, again, deceive only visitors? Well, in general, yes. That is, "the collusion of experts occurs at the state, no, at the interstate level! This is an organization!
      And by the way, what do they fake? Items that are actually - armor, weapons, miniatures on which these armors are depicted, documents in which they are described? It turns out - everything? Or not? Are these remodels replicas of what was or was it purely the fantasy of their creators? If copies, then there are originals? And if fantasies, then everything else - drawings, documents, archaeological finds - are also fakes?
      I do not know about you, but my head swells. There are too many insoluble contradictions and unrealistic assumptions in this design.
      But if in doubt, then doubt in everything, right? It seems to me that too many of our doubts give rise to inconsistencies and assumptions, and you ?. But if you admit that everything that is stored in museums and accessible private collections are genuine objects of their time, then the contradictions disappear, and assumptions become unnecessary.
      Everyone makes a conclusion for himself.
      1. kalibr
        26 May 2020 12: 40 New
        +7
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        Everyone makes a conclusion for himself.

        What are you talking about, Mikhail, what conclusions? Well, a person wants to play the game "And Baba Yaga is against!" It is useless to prove anything to such people. Moreover, I wrote that there have already been several articles here about fake armor and their verification of authenticity and metallographic analysis. Everything was ... But ... "but". So this is a diagnosis, against it all your efforts are pointless.
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 26 May 2020 14: 36 New
          +5
          I think that the two main messages of my lengthy commentary can overpower even the most odious skeptics.
          The first - doubting the truth of one hypothesis, one must also doubt the truth of any other. Simply put, criticism of one hypothesis does not exclude the need to prove the truth of the opposite.
          The second - if one hypothesis gives rise to contradictions and requires numerous assumptions, and the second does not, then the second looks preferable.
          In addition, Krasnoyarsk is not the only one who reads this, perhaps it will benefit someone. smile
          1. kalibr
            26 May 2020 16: 39 New
            +4
            Quote: Trilobite Master
            perhaps someone will benefit.

            Well, that's just that, in such cases we usually console ourselves.
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master 26 May 2020 17: 57 New
              +4
              Why are we comforting?
              Hasn't the quality of historical knowledge among VO visitors increased? Now I will not talk about VO as a whole, only about the "History" section. Remember what was going on here a few years ago, what "obscurantism and jazz", other comments made the hair stand on end, I personally did not know to cry or laugh.
              Now, I think, the average level of comments, and therefore the knowledge of commentators, has grown significantly, people are replenishing their knowledge, reading, studying, remembering, many are looking for additional sources of information and, most importantly, think. All of us, and those who only read, and those who sometimes also write, have learned something and taught others.
              Sometimes a nickname that seems to become familiar and, as it were, doesn’t stand out with anything special, will give a comment - even if you stop falling, even pride starts to burst - that’s why our people can! What was silent before?
              And how many new people lately have come - literate, erudite, thinking ...
              Well, if you take into account that on average one article accounts for one hundred fifty to three hundred reads per comment (I have, anyway), we can safely say that we are pouring sweat and ink for good reason. smile
              So, dear Vyacheslav Olegovich, this is not a consolation of himself. Our common works (I mean, of course, all the colleagues who create a certain atmosphere in the section, preach certain values) do not disappear in vain and, moreover, this is just the case when the fruits of these works are already visible.
              Am I wrong? smile
              1. kalibr
                26 May 2020 18: 18 New
                +4
                Quote: Trilobite Master
                Am I wrong?

                You're right!
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 26 May 2020 18: 32 New
        -2
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        Let's argue.

        Let's.
        A knight about to go to war, what armor will he order for himself?
        Dear and beautiful, so that they are remembered in the very first battle and they lose their appearance?
        Or cheap, without aesthetic bends, but reliable, functional?
        You put them on yourself, those. what's in the museum. Are you sure that wearing these "bracers, gauntlets, etc., you will be able to" swing "the sword?
        I was always amused by the shots from the film "Alexander Nevsky", where the knights have all kinds of horns, wings and other crap on their helmets. Were the knights and-d-e-o-t-a-m-e?
        I see no reason to continue the discussion. I look at everything from a practical point of view, and not from the point of view of an esthete.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 26 May 2020 18: 42 New
          +2
          Armor corresponding to its status. Functionally buy a Toyota Camry - the least losing in price. But for the sake of status they buy E-shku, although it’s more expensive and in price loses more (though it’s more comfortable, but that's another song).
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 26 May 2020 18: 52 New
            -1
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Armor corresponding to its status. Functionally buy a Toyota Camry - the least losing in price. But for the sake of status they buy E-shku, although it’s more expensive and in price loses more (though it’s more comfortable, but that's another song).

            And if you go to Donbass to participate in the database, then by which car? Really on E-shke?
            Most likely take a used penny.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 26 May 2020 18: 55 New
              +2
              Gelik or Range Rover
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 26 May 2020 18: 58 New
                0
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Gelik or Range Rover

                So it's time to "degrease" you wassat
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 26 May 2020 19: 04 New
                  +2
                  Yes try
                  One such already without Toyota Camry, by the way, remained laughing
            2. kalibr
              26 May 2020 19: 42 New
              +3
              How many times to repeat that the time was different and the psychology was different. Then, if a reiter was captured in cheap black armor, then he had a 99% chance of being left with a cut throat. But the officer in expensive armor was practically out of danger. Everyone knew who made which armor and how much it cost. So ... a "worthy person" in the sense of a ransom!
        2. kalibr
          26 May 2020 19: 44 New
          +3
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          I look at everything from a practical point of view, and not from the point of view of an esthete.

          And we must look from the point of view of people of that era!
        3. kalibr
          26 May 2020 19: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          A knight about to go to war, what armor will he order for himself?
          Dear and beautiful, so that they are remembered in the very first battle and they lose their appearance?

          Exactly! Remember - he will give them a fix. But everyone will see that he is a powerful and rich man and it is unprofitable to kill him. Better to demand a ransom ... Life is more expensive than any armor!
        4. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 26 May 2020 21: 10 New
          +4
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          A knight about to go to war, what armor will he order for himself?

          Well, this question has already been answered exhaustively.
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          I was always amused by shots from the film "Alexander Nevsky"

          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          I look at everything from a practical point of view

          It is strange to hear about a "practical point of view" from a person who criticizes historical science, focusing on a feature film. In the style of "historians all lie, because there are no fire-breathing dragons."
          By the way, corrugation of armor and other decor performed, including the functions of stiffeners and other very useful functions.
  • ee2100
    ee2100 26 May 2020 06: 39 New
    +7
    An interesting museum, but in quarantine you can also visit the Knight’s Hall of the Hermitage, though there are fewer knights on horseback ..... Thanks to the author for the information, if I gather in Italy I will definitely have to call in.
    1. kalibr
      26 May 2020 06: 58 New
      +4
      Dear Alexander! If you go, be sure to write to me !!! I’ll ask you to remove something there, which didn’t succeed in showing here ... It will not be difficult for you, but the public will benefit greatly.
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. ee2100
        ee2100 26 May 2020 07: 28 New
        +4
        It is not known how to quarantine, but there is a desire
        1. kalibr
          26 May 2020 07: 55 New
          +5
          Well, that's understandable ... "As with the quarantine" and me. The daughter and son-in-law are also ... waiting. They have planned another trip to Spain. And also so far 000. But "mine" in Italy did not like it. So even without quarantine, my chances of getting there are equal to 0. It was planned to visit Poland again, relax in Croatia, drive through Sweden, Norway, Denmark, but ... alas. Everything was covered with a "copper basin".
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 26 May 2020 08: 22 New
            +5
            My niece lives in Milan. How do you travel? By car?
            1. kalibr
              26 May 2020 08: 49 New
              +5
              Ek, fate smiled at you !!! Everything is simpler with me - we get on a tourist bus and drive. I do not drive a car. It is impossible. But we drive so that there are no night crossings. We spend the night only in hotels. Therefore, always dinner, shower / bath, good sleep, cheerfulness in the morning + good breakfast!
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 26 May 2020 11: 18 New
                +3
                Anyway, we don’t stop at them. The plans were to go by car at the beginning of this summer for a couple of weeks. It seems that the year has really covered itself. My opinion is all the panic from incompetence.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 26 May 2020 07: 07 New
    +6
    Come closer ... Impressive, isn't it?


    You bet!
    And the whole article! good
  • cost
    cost 26 May 2020 07: 59 New
    +8
    Particularly interested in the grotesque knightly helmets. In the Paris Army Museum a whole hall is dedicated to them separately
    1. cost
      cost 26 May 2020 08: 02 New
      +6
      Which just do not. And in the form of a human face








      1. cost
        cost 26 May 2020 08: 04 New
        +6
        And in the "animal" style








        1. cost
          cost 26 May 2020 08: 06 New
          +7
          And in the style of the "other world"








          1. Catfish
            Catfish 26 May 2020 09: 09 New
            +7
            Yes, Dmitry, luxurious additions! This "mug" generally struck outright!
            1. vladcub
              vladcub 26 May 2020 13: 29 New
              +5
              Kostya, the roses are impressive. I liked from the "other world": 1) with glasses, cool. 4 and 5, but I would have changed their places: if I met such a "dinosaur" instantly "dash oak"
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 26 May 2020 14: 10 New
                +6
                So I’m saying, I’ve gotten it on myself, the enemy will lay down his arms without a fight. laughing


                Straight "Alien" in armor.
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 26 May 2020 09: 18 New
            +7
            Psychedelic helmets)).
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 26 May 2020 11: 06 New
              +7
              Psychedelic helmets)).

              Yeah, Albert, and Jefferson Airplane plays behind the scenes:
              Don't you want somebody to love?
              Don't you need somebody to love?
              drinks
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 26 May 2020 12: 57 New
                +5
                Skazi tracks are more suitable
                And if the light is Infected Mushrooms with Sasha Gray's solo - I’m not kidding, google)).
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 26 May 2020 13: 22 New
                  +4
                  I’m not kidding, google)).

                  Googelnul, my dear Man! drinks For the first time I heard Sasha’s vocals regarding the performance of songs. wink But my psychedelics are associated with songs from the Vietnam War and hippie culture. If this, of course, can be called a culture! laughing
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 26 May 2020 13: 33 New
                    +4
                    This is a classic)) Under the expansion of consciousness wink
                    And Skazi - it is possible both under Hoffmann, and under the power engineer
                    ... uh, the same culture. Peace and Love, Make love not War - what is bad?
                    Yapi - Sting, David Bowie, Eric Klepton - rocking chair, sushi, cocaine replaced the pseudo-culture. Wall Street is absolutely bad money, tower consumption.
                    I like hippies more ...))
                    Although he himself was, until recently, closer to Yapi laughing
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 26 May 2020 13: 46 New
                      +5
                      ... uh, the same culture. Peace and Love, Make love not War - what is bad?

                      I have one of my favorite films - "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" laughing True, not everyone loves him. drinks
                      Although he himself was, until recently, closer to Yapi

                      As we get older, having “picked up the baggage,” we become more philosophical ... wink and if a person in the role of yuppie scored the right one ... why not sometimes be a philosophizing hippie? And on weekends - even a little Bacchante? The main thing is not to snob! laughing and that the person was good, regardless of age, nationality and place of residence!
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 26 May 2020 14: 06 New
                        +5
                        A friend of mine has a dream to arrange a trip to Vegas in this style - but ... you need a good lawyer and, perhaps, goodbye visa to Sasha laughing
                        Unfortunately, I have a different image - a Jewish father, hypochondriac, concerned about the future of children)).
                        The most boring role ...
                        But does nationality and place of residence have any meaning? laughing
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2020 14: 21 New
                        +4
                        A friend of mine has a dream to arrange a trip to Vegas in this style - but ... you need a good lawyer

                        "As a lawyer, I advise you to take a car with an open top ..." (Gonzo's lawyer, the above film) laughing
                        But does nationality and place of residence have any meaning?

                        for us, no. drinks
                        Jewish dad hypochondrik, preoccupied with the future of children

                        usually moms are drawn like that in jokes! drinks mothers are mothers ... love
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 26 May 2020 14: 31 New
                        +4
                        A Jewish couple is much worse than a Greek mother. The Greek mother has two worries - so that the child is full and he has a lot of toys)))
                        And the mother of my children is Greek, so the character of Jewish jokes in the family is me laughing
                      4. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2020 14: 37 New
                        +2
                        And the mother of my children is Greek, so the character of Jewish jokes in the family is me

                        this is international! good yes, dad, for sure, have to puff! drinks and for music school too! drinks
                      5. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 26 May 2020 14: 40 New
                        +3
                        No way laughing
                        Wife tried to give the elder to break dance and drums
                        Dad suffered this for a year and gave the fattened child to kickboxing - it turned out kung fu panda laughing
                    2. Astra wild
                      Astra wild 27 May 2020 07: 30 New
                      +2
                      Don't Jewish mothers care for a baby to be full? I thought that all mothers will feed the baby first
                    3. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 27 May 2020 07: 50 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Astra wild
                      Don't Jewish mothers care for a baby to be full? I thought that all mothers will feed the baby first

                      The child comes from school. Jewish mother:
                      What are the ratings?
                      Greek mother:
                      What did you eat?
              2. Astra wild
                Astra wild 26 May 2020 15: 49 New
                +5
                "a good lawyer is needed" colleague Krasnodar, your mention of Vegas and the likelihood of losing your visa evoke associations with fraud.
                I’m not talking about Vas in any way, but I know from TV: in the USA they don’t like scammers and they suspect that they will be canceled.
              3. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 26 May 2020 15: 53 New
                +3
                Everything is much more harmless there fraud - watch the movie Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas))
              4. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 26 May 2020 15: 58 New
                +3
                watch the movie Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas))

                perhaps the esteemed Vera dislikes such spectacles ... what his men do not all love. request
              5. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 26 May 2020 15: 59 New
                +5
                And I love because I understand laughing
                ... it was raining in the nightclub and it was dry outside. I told the guards about this, who advised me not to get wet in the room and stay outside. But I shared what was happening with people who were suitable for the institution, after which my acquaintances quickly took me. A tuber screaming in the car quickly turned into Wagner, and the Valkyries flew out of the dark window of the Tel Aviv office building closed on Shabbat ...
              6. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 26 May 2020 16: 01 New
                +4
                And I love because I understand

                duck and I join! laughing
              7. The comment was deleted.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 26 May 2020 09: 26 New
    +8
    But there is no such helmet. smile
  • The comment was deleted.
  • kalibr
    26 May 2020 08: 10 New
    +7
    Well, well - I recognize all the people I know: the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the Royal Museum in Madrid ... I'll have to write a big article about face helmets - an interesting topic!
    1. cost
      cost 26 May 2020 08: 13 New
      +7
      Be sure to! We look forward to
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 26 May 2020 08: 23 New
      +6
      Regarding the horned helmet with glasses, you already had an article.
      Thank you for the tour, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
      1. kalibr
        26 May 2020 08: 44 New
        +6
        It was the series, Anton, "The Most Expensive Helmets". And in principle it can be continued, but hardly worth it. We need to find something new.
        1. Astra wild
          Astra wild 26 May 2020 15: 16 New
          +3
          "it is necessary to find something new" Vyacheslav Olegovich, of course you will find it yourself, but I will try to tell you: 1) you have got a wonderful material about the Vikings in York, and continue this series.
          2) You talked interestingly about battle scenes: "the conquest of Siberia by Yermak", "Northern tale", etc., and if you slightly modify: take the same Yermak and add some details of his biography or some little-known, and therefore interesting details from the biography of Lucas Karnach, Titian, or one of their characters. Or from the history of Russia: "Boyarynya Morozova". And attach to the beautiful and tell something interesting. I know you will succeed
          1. kalibr
            26 May 2020 16: 53 New
            +2
            Quote: Astra wild
            1) you got great material about the Vikings in York, and continue this series.
            2) You talked interestingly about battle scenes: "the conquest of Siberia by Yermak", "Northern tale", etc., and if you slightly modify: take the same Yermak and add some details of his biography or some little-known, and therefore interesting details from the biography of Lucas Karnach, Titian, or one of their characters. Or from the history of Russia: "Boyarynya Morozova". And attach to the beautiful and tell something interesting. I know you will succeed

            It's nice that you are so confident in me, Astra. But ... the point is this. I cannot "take" Ermak because I do not know where the little-known details of his biography lie. Lucas Cranach and Titian are great people, yes ... but if they did not write anything about armor and weapons, then I pass! "Boyarynya Morozova" is a world thing, but what should I write about here? That the convoy archer can see a "berdysh" ax? Dear Astra, I have a very narrow specialization. And you can write well only about what you know well. I have not served on tanks, but I have been engaged in them since 1980, "got my hand", knights since 1995, samurai since 2000 ... And I have not dealt with the topics mentioned by you for a day.
            But about the Vikings ... you can write about them further. Although in the cycle that was already here, a lot of things are written.
            1. Astra wild
              Astra wild 26 May 2020 16: 58 New
              +4
              Vyacheslav Olegovich, in this case, continue about the Vikings. A very interesting series may be.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 26 May 2020 09: 23 New
    +9
    So, I decided to add a little from what I found, seemingly without repetition ..


    1. Astra wild
      Astra wild 26 May 2020 14: 55 New
      +4
      Konstantin "sea cat", who is this "uncle": 1 from the left? I have already seen this portrait somewhere. Reminds F. Pissaro, remember such a conquistador? But he must be wearing a hat. The upper right helmet, reminded me of one of the series: "Star Wars": various lizards flashed there
      1. Mihaylov
        Mihaylov 26 May 2020 17: 08 New
        +5
        Quote: Astra wild
        who is this "uncle": 1 from the left? I have already seen this portrait somewhere.

        Charles V
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 26 May 2020 17: 45 New
        +5
        Sweetest Astra love , this uncle - Charles 5 of Habsburg (1500 - 1558) - Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, King of Spain (Castile and Aragon), King of Germany (Roman King). The largest statesman in Europe in the first half of the 16th century, who made the greatest contribution to history among the rulers of that time.
  • cost
    cost 26 May 2020 08: 27 New
    +5
    For those interested in this museum, described by a respected Author, I recommend visiting the Stibbert_Museum website. There are over 500 photos posted.
    link: https://www.tripadvisor.ru/Attraction_Review-g187895-d209475-Reviews-Stibbert_Museum-Florence_Tuscany.html
    1. kalibr
      26 May 2020 08: 46 New
      +7
      By the way, Dmitry, they even have a Russian translation on their website. Amazing This is a rarity for western museums.
  • Edward Vashchenko
    Edward Vashchenko 26 May 2020 08: 58 New
    +8
    Brilliantly Vyacheslav Olegovich,
    I’ve been to Florence twice, but I don’t know about the museum, ashamed, thank you for your security!
    One thing justifies, I am extremely calm about the "knights", if only I missed the weapon of the VI century))))
  • Van 16
    Van 16 26 May 2020 09: 01 New
    +7
    Wonderful tour, thanks! A very good museum, so many interesting things!
  • Catfish
    Catfish 26 May 2020 09: 06 New
    +5
    Finally!!! fellow Vyacheslav, thank you very much! As soon as the page opened, he called his wife, sat, examined each other together. Sumptuously! good
  • Undecim
    Undecim 26 May 2020 09: 29 New
    11
    Quote: Tlauicol
    Such chamber museums are much more pleasant to visit - you will not get tired and cover everything that is there.

    In Florence, there are several museums that were donated to the city. In 1916, the English poet, architect, typographer, designer, art historian and antiquarian Herbert Horn presented Florence with his residence, the Renaissance palace, which he restored, as well as his own collection.
    Horn was an enthusiastic lover and connoisseur of Renaissance Florence and recreated real interiors of the XNUMXth century in his palazzo.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 26 May 2020 09: 49 New
      10
      He presented Florence with his palace and the collections of Stefano Bardini collected in it - the most enterprising and most successful among Florentine antiques at the turn of the XNUMXth and XNUMXth centuries.
      His regular customers were directors of major European museums, including the Hermitage, as well as well-known Russian, German and American collectors. Now, after many years of closure and lengthy restoration, the Bardini Museum has returned again in the form in which it was conceived by the founder.
      1. kalibr
        26 May 2020 12: 43 New
        +4
        Thank you Victor Nikolaevich! I found their curator, it will be necessary to contact her and see if it can be possible to make material about this museum as well.
  • Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 26 May 2020 12: 07 New
    +4
    Great stuff! Been to this museum. In principle, in Italy they are similar - only the Cavalry Museum in Pinerolo (but there, nevertheless, is already New Time and Latest, mainly) and Armeria Real in Turin - but there will be a smaller collection of armor.
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 26 May 2020 12: 23 New
    +4
    Thanks for the material, Vyacheslav Olegovich. Really interesting and exciting. good
  • vladcub
    vladcub 26 May 2020 12: 34 New
    +7
    Comrades, some of you are just going to the Stibbert Museum, and now I’ve returned from there .. It’s fortunate that there are no people, and sometimes there is such a crowd that they can’t see anything.
    Fortunately, VO as a "tip" will cost +.
    RS An acquaintance was in Turkey 2 years ago and says that they demand a "tip" at every step. One "tip" can go broke. If your surname is Deripaska or Alikperov nothing, but if Vasya Pupkin or just Mustafa, then this is noticeable
    1. kalibr
      26 May 2020 13: 13 New
      +4
      Dear Svyatoslav! I don’t know about Turkey ... But in Italy no one demanded a tip from me. In Spain, at a hotel in Lloret del Mar, we put one euro on a bed for cleaning the room. Once they put 1,5 and found a black woman cleaning lady. How she thanked us ... So it's not so terrible. It depends where, probably ...
      1. Bersaglieri
        Bersaglieri 26 May 2020 14: 45 New
        +5
        There are no tips in Italy. More precisely, they exist - if the service at the table is fixed but immediately included in the bill (coperto)
    2. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 26 May 2020 14: 47 New
      +1
      Svyatoslav, you are lucky - just the museums in Italy have just opened after quarantine, and there are no crowds of tourists yet.
  • Trojan_wolf
    Trojan_wolf 26 May 2020 12: 43 New
    +5
    Thanks for the work, really very interesting.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 26 May 2020 14: 16 New
    +5
    "how much a person with big money can do" and if he is a philanthropist. Illustrative illustration: "Tretyakov Gallery", "Kovalenko Museum", "Stibbort Museum"
    By the way, a philanthropist such a person really existed. He was close to Emperor Augustus, but he used his proximity for the benefit of others. Augustus was a quick-tempered uncle and could have sentence of death as if from a sack .. The patron of art slowed him down. And before his death, he asked Augustus to take care of something similar. Whatever rich would offend.
    Probably Augustus said: let him try, I’ll stick his head in his ass right away
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 26 May 2020 14: 30 New
    +3
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, and the monument was erected to Kleiv: "great and worthy services rendered to the British crown"?
    It must be assumed that Stibbort knew the measure and did not put too much in his pocket: "he made wealth and survived."
    1. kalibr
      26 May 2020 16: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Astra wild
      that Stibbort knew the measure and didn’t put anything in his pocket

      I think so too!
    2. kalibr
      26 May 2020 16: 35 New
      +2
      Here is what the Wiki says about him: "Parliament began an investigation into the activities of Robert Clive, whom he accused of abuses. Clive was found guilty, but was acquitted for services rendered to his country. Nevertheless, on November 22, 1774, Robert Clive committed suicide." ... That is, he was sentenced to death, but acquitted! But ... pride made me take my life. But what about - a peer and suddenly on trial, and such a verdict ... And the monument was erected in St. James's Park in Westminster. Here he is:
    3. Hantengri
      Hantengri 26 May 2020 18: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: Astra wild
      It must be assumed that Stibbort knew the measure and did not put too much in his pocket: "he made wealth and survived."

      Sentyabrynka hon, it’s you, directly, socialism (and, God forbid, and communism) you ascribe to some decent people!
      Can a normal, civilized passenger be able to grab his mouth and fifth point and, at the same time, not put too much in his pocket?
      Such violence against human nature is a sophisticated masochism that lies beyond good and evil!
      In this manner and for a rainy day you can’t save yourself.
      Most likely, Comrade Stibbort senior, knew that being greedy too much was not good for survival, and sent "where necessary" in time.
  • NF68
    NF68 26 May 2020 16: 02 New
    +2
    Chic products.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 26 May 2020 17: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: Bersaglieri
    Svyatoslav, you are lucky - just the museums in Italy have just opened after quarantine, and there are no crowds of tourists yet.

    I'm just about to talk about this: it's lucky that it's deserted. I'm not a fan of hanging around in the crowd. Pickpockets love this crowd. However, I was told about one granny, she has a little "the roof has moved", she loves to be in the crowd, otherwise her depression begins
  • kalibr
    26 May 2020 18: 35 New
    +3
    Quote: Undecim
    And in foreign literature, cabassets are often regarded as a kind of morion.
    Reply

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++
  • Free wind
    Free wind 27 May 2020 11: 40 New
    +2
    This is beauty !!!
  • Fishery
    Fishery 27 May 2020 12: 29 New
    +1
    a very cool museum, but the armor under the scales is a flash of antiquity, Sarmatian and other trends.
  • Petersburg printing house
    Petersburg printing house 25 June 2020 13: 20 New
    0
    Great and beautifully illustrated article, thank you very much. The chivalry and objects of art in the Stibbert Museum remind me of similar exhibitions in the Hermitage and the Museum of Artillery in St. Petersburg. But in this case, most of the huge collection was collected by one person. I hope I will have the opportunity to visit there personally winked