Pensions in the USSR: to whom, how much, from what time

Pensions in the USSR: to whom, how much, from what time

The pension issue that has recently become very painful and relevant for our country is often discussed by people who, let's say, are not too knowledgeable in stories this issue, and therefore, those who undertake to claim that the USSR was a real paradise for pensioners. Some, however, go to the other extreme, trying to present Soviet social payments as meager and almost miserable. To find out the truth, it is necessary to take a historical excursion, relying not on emotions, but solely on figures and facts.


Let's start with the origins. Moreover, some "experts" undertake to assert: in 1917, the Bolsheviks broke and abolished the excellent pension system that supposedly existed in the Russian Empire. Yes, in tsarist Russia, as of 1914, there were certain categories of citizens who could count on state-guaranteed old age, not even when they reached a certain age, but when they needed the necessary length of service. However, what were these categories? Officials, officers, gendarmes - first of all, service people. Also, teachers, doctors, engineers, and even workers, but who worked exclusively at state (state) enterprises and institutions, could earn a pension. All the rest - both the proletarians who worked hard on the private trader and the peasants (up to 90% of the country's population), were not supposed to.

With the coming to power of the Bolsheviks, all royal payments were indeed abolished. It is clear that the young Land of Soviets, which barely scrambled out of the devastating Civil War, hunger strikes and epidemics, did not have sufficient funds to create a comprehensive social security system. Nevertheless, the first steps in this direction began to be taken at the initiative of Lenin. In 1918, pensions appeared for fighters of the Red Army who remained disabled, in 1923 they began to receive party members with particularly great experience and merits. Most of these people had years of prison and hard labor imprisonment behind them, the same Civil ... Yes, and they did not heal in the world - the average life expectancy of men in the USSR at that time was 40-45 years.

Unfortunately, the myth that Khrushchev gave pensions to Soviet people is extremely tenacious. No. The first "Regulation on pensions and social security benefits" was adopted in the country in 1930, that is, under Comrade Stalin. Yes, the payments were not large and were not given to everyone: initially they were received by former employees of key industries: mining, electric, transport. Subsequently, by 1937, the pension system was extended to all workers and employees. Also, which is very important, in 1932 a single retirement age was established - 60 years for men and 55 for women. At that time, it was the lowest pension plan in the world. In other countries, old-age pension was paid to people who have reached more advanced years - if at all paid.

Stalin is usually blamed for two things: the amount of social payments is too low (they say, a student received 130 rubles of scholarships, and a disabled person of the 1st group received only 65) and because he did not take care of pensions for the villagers. Let us clarify: at that time, collective farms and agricultural cooperatives were obliged to ensure the old age of their members who lost their ability to work. But on their own, from their own funds, they themselves establish both the size of the content and the age at which it began to be paid (or issued in kind). Thus, two things were stimulated: the desire of rural workers to increase labor efficiency (so that the elderly did not starve) and the transition of a certain part of them to work in industry, which was in dire need of personnel. As for the size of the scholarships, the rapidly developing country before the cutoff needed competent people. Hence the bias in favor of students and students.

Pensions to farmers allegedly gave Nikita Khrushchev. Here, too, is not so simple and straightforward. Yes, the USSR law "On state pensions" was adopted on July 14, 1956, that is, in his time. However, as for the village workers ... They Nikita Sergeyevich with his characteristic "generosity" measured ... 12 rubles each, completely regardless of the length of service and achievements! That made him so happy. And at the same time, let's not forget, Khrushchev actually deprived the same villagers of household farms, due to which most of the elderly in the villages survived.

Be that as it may, since 1956 all citizens of the USSR, even those who did not have the required length of service, had the right to a state pension. True, they were supposed to receive a minimum allowance of 35 rubles. The rest, having completed their deadlines (he remained the same) and had sufficient experience (20 years - women, 25 - men) could count on the amount of half their own salary for any five-year labor or the last two years. But again, no more than 120 rubles a month. The maximum were the so-called personal pensions, however, and their size could not exceed 300 rubles.

Now about the most interesting. No Pension Fund in the USSR did not exist. Generally. Funds were transferred by enterprises and organizations directly to the state budget, from where they were then paid to pensioners. Moreover, these contributions were not deducted from the salaries of employees, but were paid directly from the funds of the enterprise or organization - in accordance with the number of workers. In a socialist state, all sorts of intermediary organizations like PF were simply not needed by anyone, it itself ensured the old age of its own citizens.

Were Soviet pensions small or sufficient for a normal life? This is a topic for a separate and difficult discussion. Everyone who lived at that time can simply turn to their own experience and what they saw and heard themselves. Personally, in my Soviet childhood and youth, I don’t somehow recall the old people asking alms.
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  1. CTABEP 19 May 2020 18: 05 New
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    This is all good, but what does the topic of pensions have to do with Military Review?
    1. alone 19 May 2020 18: 10 New
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      Quote: CTABEP
      This is all good, but what does the topic of pensions have to do with Military Review?

      laughing Maybe they decided to send us all in one fell swoop to retire?)))) wassat
      1. SRC P-15 19 May 2020 18: 18 New
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        Be that as it may, since 1956 all citizens of the USSR, even those who did not have the required length of service, had the right to a state pension. True, they were supposed to receive a minimum allowance of 35 rubles.

        The author clearly forgot about the exchange of money in 1961. Maybe the allowance of 35 rubles was after the denomination?
        1. Grandfather 19 May 2020 18: 22 New
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          Quote: SRC P-15
          Be that as it may, since 1956 all citizens of the USSR, even those who did not have the required length of service, had the right to a state pension. True, they were supposed to receive a minimum allowance of 35 rubles.

          The author clearly forgot about the exchange of money in 1961. Maybe the allowance of 35 rubles was after the denomination?

          most likely it is.
          1. SRC P-15 19 May 2020 18: 26 New
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            most likely it is.

            Yes exactly! I still remember how a neighbor received a collective farm pension of 12 rubles. And I was born in 1955.
            1. Grandfather 19 May 2020 18: 28 New
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              Quote: SRC P-15
              Quote: Dead Day
              most likely it is.

              Yes exactly! I still remember how a neighbor received a collective farm pension of 12 rubles. And I was born in 1955.

              а у меня бабушка : 9руб...точно помню ,по разговорам, я то с 63го,но в деревне рос практически на каникулах,потому всё слышал, вспоминали старики эти деньги,и мама подтвердила.
              1. SRC P-15 19 May 2020 18: 42 New
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                Quote: Dead Day
                and I have a grandmother: 9rub ..

                К сожалению, моя бабушка погибла во время войны на лесозаготовках - убило упавшим деревом. В то время колхозников привлекали на эти лесозаготовки. Моя мать тоже в этом участвовала.
              2. Sofievka 19 May 2020 19: 53 New
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                My grandmother received 12 rubles, in general, an interesting fate, the first marriage with the “new Russian” in 1913, who bought the Biyuk-Karasu river valley, the car was also (Ford -?) Mom and aunt stubbornly said that she had not worked one day, grandfather , this, yes, Stakhanovets, foreman, gardener, after the war, even
                I grew lemons, planted the first palmette gardens of the Crimea, I am proud of it (I myself worked as a foreman in the garden for 10 years), my grandfather received 132
        2. tank64rus 20 May 2020 10: 01 New
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          Yes it was after the denomination. But the pension fund with a bunch of officials and their palaces was not in sight.
    2. EwgenyZ 19 May 2020 18: 37 New
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      Quote: CTABEP
      This is all good, but what does the topic of pensions have to do with Military Review?

      Nothing, soon this question will disappear "automatically." "People's Choice" Vyacheslav Volodin said that in Russia state pensions as such can be abolished.
    3. ccsr 19 May 2020 19: 15 New
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      Quote: CTABEP
      This is all good, but what does the topic of pensions have to do with Military Review?

      Самое прямое - все советские офицеры платили подоходный налог и налог на бездетность (те кто не имел детей), так что с их приличных зарплат государство получало деньги в бюджет, чтобы выплачивать пенсии. Правда в восьмидесятых налог на бездетность отменили, но подоходный оставался. Хотя честно говоря я никогда не понимал, зачем вообще было вводить налог для военнослужащих, если было бы проще им уменьшить оклады, и не заниматься пересчетами, тем более что вычислительной техники не было в войсках, и финансисты в ручную составляли ведомости.
      1. Gardamir 19 May 2020 20: 30 New
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        True, in the eighties, the childless tax was canceled,
        Since 1 July 1990, the tax rate has been reduced for those whose earnings were less than 150 rubles.
        Since 1 January 1992, it was planned to abolish levying taxes on men who are married and do not have children.
        From January 1, 1993, it was planned to stop collecting it from bachelors, that is, the childless tax should have been completely abolished. In fact, the tax was abolished on January 1, 1992 with the collapse of the USSR.
      2. Hagen 19 May 2020 20: 37 New
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        Quote: ccsr
        True, in the eighties, the tax on childlessness was canceled, but income remained.

        На сколько я помню, подоходный налог был, когда служил в Заполярье, в средней полосе я не платил.
    4. Altona 19 May 2020 20: 45 New
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      Quote: CTABEP
      This is all good, but what does the topic of pensions have to do with Military Review?

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      The most direct. There are many military pence sitting here, not seeing life beyond the television and believing that with the fall of the oligarchic regime their passive income will fall.
    5. Sling cutter 19 May 2020 23: 38 New
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      Quote: CTABEP
      This is all good, but what does the topic of pensions have to do with Military Review?

      I'll explain to you! Society consists of many components, including from the military, which is entirely on the maintenance of society and, taking an oath to this society, should be in the service of that very society!
      1. Altona 20 May 2020 07: 13 New
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        taking an oath to this society, must be in the service of that very society!

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        Those who join the military for early retirement and social benefits are willing to join the ranks of fascists and minions of capital. They convert their infantilism into warlike philistinism, which, as the Strugatsky wrote, is a halt in development.
        1. Glory1974 20 May 2020 09: 20 New
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          Those who go to the military for early retirement and social benefits are willing to join the ranks of the fascists and minions of capital

          Не видел никого ,чтобы в 17 лет кто-то шел в десантники, например или подводники, рвался на войну в Афганистан за пенсией request
          Социальные льготы тоже вопрос не постояный. При СССР компесации военным за жилье не было. При зарплате в 200 рублей, за квартиру платили 5, и льготы в 2,50 никто бы и не заметил. В новой России льготы компенсировали низкую зарплату, а с 2012 года они вообще в основном были отменены.
          By the way, conscript soldiers who were promised early retirement in Afghanistan did not wait for their benefits. Leave on a common basis. Only in Ukraine while such a benefit has remained, there they retire at the age of 55.
          1. Altona 20 May 2020 10: 16 New
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            I didn’t see anyone, when at 17 years old someone went to the paratroopers, for example, or submariners, was eager for the pension war in Afghanistan

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            And besides paratroopers and submariners there are no more military men? There are military commissaries, there are all kinds of signalmen, there are motorists, there are political leaders, all kinds of supply and allowance services, in general, cabinet and semi-cabinet workers. I have a lot of familiar military, Ministry of Justice, KGB and cop pensioners. And since I have known many since childhood and the character of their mothers, I probably do not just say that. I’m not saying that the military has a simple job, but the military has a very early retirement compared to the same civilian who is now 65 years old and doesn’t give him an apartment and he humps like a hell in a foundry in the Metrostroy mine, by the machine, in the cab of the truck, but anywhere. And probably the same civilian is “pleased” when jobs disappear at the speed of Mach 17. And the same civilian and feeds the policemen who beat him and the army, which is behind some fig on "distant approaches."
            1. Serg65 20 May 2020 10: 57 New
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              Quote: Altona
              the same civilian and feeds the policemen who beat him and the army, which is behind some figs on the "distant approaches".

              laughing Here is luck to you, come to power, disperse the policemen to hell with the dog, army and heap godfather to the king, matchmaker to the minister !!!!!!
              1. Altona 20 May 2020 11: 18 New
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                Quote: Serg65
                Here is luck to you, come to power, disperse the policemen to hell with the dog, army and heap godfather to the king, matchmaker to the minister !!!!!!

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                Конечно, будет народная милиция и рабоче-крестьянская армия. Вернее должны быть. А нынешние уже готовы стрелять в народ, обратная селекция даром не проходит. Все давно идет к тому, что у нас снова будут рекруты и офицерье.
                1. Serg65 20 May 2020 11: 42 New
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                  And the current ones are ready to shoot people

                  The worker-peasant did not shoot at the people?
                  Quote: Altona
                  Everything has long come to the point that we will again have recruits and officers.

                  Yes figs with him, you tell me why your new leader has come over the Communist Party?
                  1. Altona 20 May 2020 12: 42 New
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                    Quote: Serg65
                    Yes figs with him, you tell me why your new leader has come over the Communist Party?

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                    I have no leader. I do not need a king or leader, unlike you.
                    Quote: Serg65
                    The worker-peasant did not shoot at the people?

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                    I didn’t shoot people, although I had to watch the “unauthorized” rallies in Baku in 1988 and it was something. But they didn’t give us any weapons.
                    If you are talking about the year 1962 of Novocherkassk, then I only know what you know, in any case the order was criminal.
                    Third, you are already positioning yourself as an adherent of fascism in your posts, and you are even opposing with some bravado.
                    1. Serg65 20 May 2020 13: 20 New
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                      Quote: Altona
                      I didn’t shoot people

                      Well, thank God! And if the party had ordered?
                      Quote: Altona
                      If you are talking about Novocherkassk in 1962, then I only know what you know, in any case the order was criminal

                      Yes, it makes no difference whether criminal or not criminal, the main thing is shooting or not shooting !!!
                      Quote: Altona
                      Third, you are already positioning yourself as a supporter of fascism in your posts

                      Communist Tatra is not your relative? The enemies of the Communists are to blame for everything, you have fascists at every angle .. although you yourself have not gone far from them, trying to please your masters!
                      Quote: Altona
                      oppose with some bravado.

                      What bravado? Or does the truth not fit into your "new" life?
                      Quote: Altona
                      I have no leader

                      what But the left has put an end to Platoshkin?
                      Quote: Altona
                      I do not need a king or leader

                      belay Anarchist?
                      1. Altona 20 May 2020 13: 32 New
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                        Quote: Serg65
                        Well, thank God! And if the party had ordered?

                        Are you trying to cross the CPSU and God? Or do you just have cereal in your head?
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Yes, it makes no difference whether criminal or not criminal, the main thing is shooting or not shooting !!!

                        You and now no matter who swear, if only fed.
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Communist Tatra is not your relative? The enemies of the Communists are to blame for everything, you have fascists at every angle .. although you yourself have not gone far from them, trying to please your masters!

                        What kind of "hosts" are we talking about, specify? Or do you only see yourself as the owner? And do you define relatives by class? This also looks like fascism, and more and more.
                        Quote: Serg65
                        What bravado? Or does the truth not fit into your "new" life?

                        What is my “new” life? You say some riddles.
                        Quote: Serg65
                        But the left has put an end to Platoshkin?

                        What does Platoshkin have to do with it? If I watch or read something, do I immediately agree with something?
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Anarchist?

                        Кроме анархистов есть еще куча течений. Можете в интернете посмотреть. Хотя вам "без разницы". Кто не с вами, тот против вас-это ваш железный принцип.
                      2. Serg65 20 May 2020 13: 50 New
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                        Quote: Altona
                        Are you trying to cross the CPSU and God?

                        Joseph Vissarionovich in 1942 set the first example.
                        Quote: Altona
                        What kind of "hosts" are we talking about, specify?

                        Well, at the moment I put Khodorkovsky eye on your movement!
                        Quote: Altona
                        What is my “new” life?

                        About which you dream long moonlit nights.
                        Quote: Altona
                        What does Platoshkin have to do with it?

                        So is he a leader, or not a leader?
                        Quote: Altona
                        He who is not with you is against you

                        Not at all ..... if a person with principles different from me does not want to destroy my country, then I am loyal to him and everything happens only in terms of disputes. And when they try to impose on me what I have already passed and have not been delighted with, I’m really disgusted with me! For example, you ... not some realities, only some fantastic plans, while those who do not share your dreams, then definitely a fascist ... and no dialogue!
                      3. Altona 20 May 2020 14: 06 New
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                        Quote: Serg65
                        Well, at the moment I put Khodorkovsky eye on your movement!

                        What is my movement? You are raving. If I mentioned Platoshkin once or twice, then I don’t need to ascribe it to me.
                        Quote: Serg65
                        About which you dream long moonlit nights.

                        Are you following me? Or are you a voyeur in life?
                        Quote: Serg65
                        So is he a leader, or not a leader?

                        Why are you asking me such questions? Are you definitely not raving?

                        Цитата: Serg65

                        Not at all ..... if a person with principles different from me does not want to destroy my country, then I am loyal to him and everything happens only in terms of disputes. And when they try to impose on me what I have already passed and have not been delighted with, I’m really disgusted with me! For example, you ... not some realities, only some fantastic plans, while those who do not share your dreams, then definitely a fascist ... and no dialogue!

                        And where did I "desire the destruction of your country"? In your crazy dreams on moonlit nights? You are strange people. And what does loyalty have to do with it? That is, you hate others that you can’t eat already? So watch less television hysteria, which has long surpassed Hitler's exaltations. And where am I imposing something on you? It is you who strive to impose Vlasov patriotism on everyone. As for reality, that’s how I really work at the plant, and I do real things, and really lead. But all of you are pushing for your "oil patriotism". Yes, incite hatred. Sit already. Whoever you look at, so all the dashing warrior is sofa. The country doesn’t know to whom it belongs, but everything hurts you a little.
                2. CSKA 20 May 2020 13: 54 New
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                  Quote: Altona
                  If you are talking about the year 1962 of Novocherkassk, then I only know what you know, in any case the order was criminal.

                  And so all the same, the workers and peasants also shot.)
                  Quote: Altona
                  Third, you are already positioning yourself as an adherent of fascism in your posts, and you are even opposing with some bravado.

                  You do not seem to know the meaning of the term "fascism" at all.
                  1. Altona 20 May 2020 14: 10 New
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                    Quote: CSKA
                    And so all the same, the workers and peasants also shot.)

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                    In 1988, to stop a real ethnic massacre, she shot. And even the ensign, the foreman of my company, Lysak gave a queue over his heads, after which the "Garach Caucasus" immediately calmed down and calmed down. Questions?
                    Quote: CSKA
                    You do not seem to know the meaning of the term "fascism" at all.

                    When people like you throw out unfounded and stupid accusations, turning to personalities, this is fascism. That I there at you something "gobbled up" or "took away". Can you prove it? If not, then there is nothing to show.
                  2. CSKA 21 May 2020 12: 17 New
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                    Quote: Altona
                    In 1988, to stop a real ethnic massacre, she shot.

                    And in Novocherkassk, what did they want to stop?
                    Quote: Altona
                    When people like you throw out unfounded and stupid accusations, turning to personalities, this is fascism.

                    What are you talking about? Accusations of what? The fact that you do not know the meaning of the word "fascism" and sculpt it where not getting? So this is not a charge, it is a statement of fact. I did not go over to personality then, I did it now.
                    Quote: Altona
                    That I there at you something "gobbled up" or "took away". Can you prove it? If not, then there is nothing to show.

                    And it dawned on me. Are you buh? What are you talking about? Who has eaten or taken away from you? What do you have to prove? Why are you drunk or what are you talking about? You accused a person of being a supporter of fascism, it is not clear on what basis, while not understanding what fascism is. Nobody is showing you anything. Come to yourself.
      2. ccsr 20 May 2020 11: 52 New
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        Quote: Altona
        but the military has a very early retirement compared to the same civilian who is now 65 years old and doesn’t give him an apartment and he humps like a hell in a foundry, in the Metrostroy mine, at the machine, in the wagon’s cab, anywhere .

        Well, what prevented all these civilians from going voluntarily to serve in the army if honey was spread there? I represent our army intellectually, even if every second man in the country decides to associate his fate with the armed forces and makes a statement to the military enlistment office to go to study at the Higher Technical School or on a contract. Lepota ...
        1. Altona 20 May 2020 12: 36 New
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          Well, what prevented all these civilians from going voluntarily to serve in the army if honey was spread there?

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          Medical indications, for example. Or is it a revelation for you? And the army in such an amount is burdensome for the economy, they do not produce anything, but only eat.
          1. ccsr 20 May 2020 13: 02 New
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            Quote: Altona
            Medical indications, for example. Or is it a revelation for you?

            And I took this into account - I wrote “every second one” especially for you, implying that not all men are fit for military service.
            Quote: Altona
            And the army in such an amount is burdensome for the economy, they do not produce anything, but only eat.

            You apparently didn’t enter - it wasn’t about increasing the army, but that the choice of candidates would be huge, which means that it was possible to select the best in all respects.
            Quote: Altona
            they do not produce anything, but only eat.

            А я на гражданке уже почти столько проработал, сколько в армии прослужил - так что еще неизвестно почему вы жрете мой хлеб в виде моих отчислений в ПФР для вашей будущей пенсии. Про консолидирование наших пенсионных выплат что-нибудь слышали?
            1. Altona 20 May 2020 13: 14 New
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              Quote: ccsr
              And I have worked in civilian life for almost as long as I served in the army - so it is still unknown why you are eating my bread in the form of my deductions for you

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              And what deductions do you make for me if I myself work in a factory and myself deduct? I do not understand. So I do not eat yours, do not ascribe.
              Quote: ccsr

              And I took this into account - I wrote “every second one” especially for you, implying that not all men are fit for military service.
              You apparently didn’t enter - it wasn’t about increasing the army, but that the choice of candidates would be huge, which means that it was possible to select the best in all respects.

              He was huge in the 1980s, this is your "notorious choice" that in the 1990s crowds of officers rushed into the civilian sector, to create cooperatives. So you finger in the sky. This process I also observed. Like the process of replacing the army when they were shaking over their rations, because a lot of money could no longer be bought. Or as one major broke the head, how could he leave two apartments for himself, not giving up his former duty station and having leaped in Minsk. I’m talking about air defense, where there were and there are many specialists who can find themselves in the civilian world of programmers, mechanics, electricians and electronic engineers.
              And is there any sense in your service? Absolutely none. The USSR did not save the army, crawled away into "foreign policy" and now it doesn’t hurt any dashing warriors if they are only fit to fight their own, and even flaunt it.
              1. ccsr 20 May 2020 13: 35 New
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                Quote: Altona
                And what deductions do you make for me if I myself work in a factory and myself deduct? I do not understand.

                Relatively speaking, if you suddenly can’t work and donate funds to the Pension Fund, becoming, God forbid, an invalid with disabilities, then pension payments will be from the funds that I donate.
                Quote: Altona
                that in the 1990s, crowds of officers rushed into the civilian sector, creating cooperatives.

                Firstly, many of the Nakhs left, not of their own free will, but to reduce the armed forces. Secondly, I know some who served for 15-18-19 years, who left the army and did not receive any pension. Thirdly, at that time they began not to pay salaries to servicemen, and many simply left the army just to feed their families — I knew such people.
                Quote: Altona
                This process I also observed.

                It is a pity that it is not from the inside - then there would be other assessments of what was happening.
                Quote: Altona
                And is there any sense in your service?

                Ask the heads of other states - why don't they consider it necessary to abandon the armies?
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                The USSR did not save the army, crawled away into "foreign policy" and now it doesn’t hurt any dashing warriors if they are only fit to fight their own, and even flaunt it.

                Так вы же сами захотели жить при капитализме - при чем здесь армия? Она что, должна была уничтожить всех тех, кто орал "Долой КПСС" в то время? Так что я ничем не бравирую - я даже в какой-то степени удовлетворен, что полностью подтвердилась народная мудрость - "Дуракам закон не писан", вот и пожинайте то, что выбрали в 1991 году. Но не приписывайте профессиональным военным то, что они хотели уничтожить советскую власть - это не их рук дело.
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                  It is a pity that it is not from the inside - then there would be other assessments of what was happening.

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                  How could it be from the inside if I went through an emergency?
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                  So you yourself wanted to live under capitalism - what does the army have to do with it? Was she supposed to destroy all those who yelled "Down with the CPSU" at that time?

                  Did I sign agreements in Malta too?
                  Quote: ccsr

                  Relatively speaking, if you suddenly can’t work and donate funds to the Pension Fund, becoming, God forbid, an invalid with disabilities, then pension payments will be from the funds that I donate.

                  Are you only expelling me? But I don’t deduct for you? Or do you deduct for the whole country? Is your surname Miller or Sechin?
                  Quote: ccsr
                  Так что я ничем не бравирую - я даже в какой-то степени удовлетворен, что полностью подтвердилась народная мудрость - "Дуракам закон не писан", вот и пожинайте то, что выбрали в 1991 году. Но не приписывайте профессиональным военным то, что они хотели уничтожить советскую власть - это не их рук дело.

                  Could themselves not be characterized by folk wisdom, this is already understandable. As for the "professional military", they apparently did not have a minister of defense, who was a member of the Politburo and could stop this whistle-blow at the click of his fingers, at least like Zhukov by simply arresting several people at the top.
                2. ccsr 20 May 2020 17: 52 New
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                  Quote: Altona
                  How could it be from the inside if I went through an emergency?

                  You had a family, teenagers at the time, and rented accommodation?
                  Quote: Altona
                  Did I sign agreements in Malta too?

                  The agreements in Malta did not determine the political structure of the USSR - do not drag this meeting by the ears.
                  Quote: Altona
                  Are you only expelling me?

                  No, for the FIU, and there they decide where to list them.
                  Quote: Altona
                  But I don’t deduct for you?

                  Today you expel, but tomorrow you may not be able to.
                  Quote: Altona
                  they apparently didn’t have a minister of defense, who was a member of the Politburo and could stop this whistle-blow at the click of his fingers, at least like Zhukov by simply arresting several people at the top.

                  И чтобы это дало, если военные не могут экономикой страны руководить? В нашей истории военные только помогали каким-то лидерам, за что кстати, сами зачастую и страдали, как тот же Жуков. Да и не был Язов тем человеком, который пользовался бы авторитетом в армии - это не Малиновский или Гречко.
      3. Malyuta 20 May 2020 23: 23 New
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        Well, what prevented all these civilians from going voluntarily to serve in the army if honey was spread there?

        I am very sorry hi but if everyone would go to the officers, who would then build the national economy of the country?
        PySy. Officer, this is not only a beautiful uniform with epaulettes.
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          but if everyone went to officers, then who would build the national economy of the country?

          Те, кому отказали бы при приеме в ВВУЗы из-за слабых знаний или недостаточной физической подготовки. Вы видимо не так рассматриваете саму постановку вопроса, а речь шла всего лишь о том, что в СССР все мужчины имели право стать офицером, было бы желание. И очень многих солдат уговаривали идти учиться в военные училища, и я в том числе, вот только уговорить не удавалось. Видимо послужив немного и поняв какова служба, они сразу все понимали и выбирали другой свой жизненный путь.
          Quote: Malyuta
          PySy. Officer, this is not only a beautiful uniform with epaulettes.

          In my time it was plowing, although to be honest I didn’t have the most difficult share, just because of the specifics of the service.
    6. Glory1974 20 May 2020 14: 47 New
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      There are military commissaries, there are all kinds of signalmen, there are motorists, there are political leaders, all kinds of supply and allowance services, in general, cabinet and semi-cabinet workers.

      Есть конечно. Но вы мне покажите юношу ,который идет в военное училище, чтобы потом сидеть на складе и тырить продукты из сухпайков. Если такие и были, то только наученные старшим поколением и ими же протаскиваемые на хлебные должности. Но это характерно и гражданским ,чем военные отличаются от других? Но при этом военый, куда бы он не попал служить, обязан выполнять все уставы и законы, и если прикажут пойти и умереть за Родину.
      but the military has a very early retirement in comparison with the same civilian who is now 65 years old and does not give him any apartment and he is hunching like hell

      The military has a well-deserved retirement.
      The civilians of 65 are overkill, I agree. But we must fight for a decrease in the civilian retirement age, not an increase in the military. In addition to the military, doctors, teachers, and workers in hazardous industries are retiring early. Do they also need to increase their retirement age?
  • Pravodel 20 May 2020 07: 35 New
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    Каждый, кто работал на производстве в СССР, при выходе на пенсию получал пенсию в размере средней зарплаты за последний год работы, поэтому всегда старались перед выходом на пенсию перевести человека на работу с самой высокой возможной зарплатой. К вопросу о зарплатах: зарплата инженера - 130 руб. + ежеквартальная премия, называлась прогрессивка - прогресс, старший/ведущий инженер (зависит от того, где работаешь) - 150 руб.+ прогресс. Размер прогрессивки зависел от того, где ты работаешь: если в институте, то - 8%, если в СКБ - 25%, на заводе премии были другие. Главное - пенсия, работавших в колхозах равнялась средней зарплате. Кстати, зарплата уборщицы была 75 руб., могла работать в 2-х местах, и везде получала по 75 руб., но на пенсию шло только 75 руб. с основной работы. Повар получал 50 руб., завпроизводством в столовой - 70 руб., но они не обижались, т.к. крали продукты. Соседка по квартире, работавшая в колхозе, получала пенсию 2,5 руб. - 2 руб. 50 коп. Из них за комнату платила 1,2 руб. + электричество - копейки, за воду платы не было, но все же. Жила только потому, что помогали дочки.
    Что сколько стоило? Поезд плацкарт из Москвы в Крым стоил 20 руб., туда и обратно - 40 руб. Но можно было отдохнуть в санатории Крыма, Кавказа, Железноводска и т.д. по путевке профсоюза, которая стоила не более 12 руб. на весь отпуск - месяц с питанием, проживанием, лечением.
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    Уровень зарплат и пенсий офицерского состава ВС СССР среди армий соц.стран был на предпоследнем месте,перед румынами. Т.е ниже,чем у албанцев.
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      Quote: knn54
      Уровень зарплат и пенсий офицерского состава ВС СССР среди армий соц.стран был на предпоследнем месте,перед румынами. Т.е ниже,чем у албанцев.

      у нас экономики,территории и население схожи ? чего там сравнивать ?...олбания блин...страна наркодилер и торговец оружием, с кой то наш район.
      1. knn54 19 May 2020 19: 44 New
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        1.Дедка, разговор про СССР .
        And in Albania (I managed to catch the last graduate of their cadets in Poltava as a schoolboy) under Enver Hodge you will not forget, the order was "Stalinist".
        В ВВС у авиатехника-капитан потолок.Далее-майор,инженер полка.Но только с высшим образованием.А в Ленинграде (Академия связи им.Буденного) приходилось общаться с простым авиатехником в звании подполковник.Пилот у него был в звании капитана.Просто выслуга.И пенсия будет соответствующая.
        2.About the Zoo.
        You are no longer a raccoon, but not a crocodile yet.
    2. Grandfather 19 May 2020 18: 37 New
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      Quote: knn54
      Уровень зарплат и пенсий офицерского состава ВС СССР среди армий соц.стран был на предпоследнем месте,перед румынами. Т.е ниже,чем у албанцев.

      can now answer why the cost of living for a day, in humans, is less than that of a beast in a zoo?
      1. The leader of the Redskins 19 May 2020 18: 55 New
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        But let the respected author explain the question you raised in the next article. But, actually, I join the opinion that articles of this nature are completely inconsistent with the subject of the site.
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          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          do not correspond to the subject of the site.

          Very many go to the sun because of PENSIONS, or rather one of the factors.
          Многие гражданские темы так или иначе связаны с военными.
      2. Hagen 19 May 2020 20: 40 New
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        why is the cost of living for a day, in humans, less than in animals in a zoo?

        Animals are also different. Other and 7-10 kg of meat per day is not enough ...
      3. Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 May 2020 21: 37 New
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        Quote: Dead Day
        Quote: knn54
        Уровень зарплат и пенсий офицерского состава ВС СССР среди армий соц.стран был на предпоследнем месте,перед румынами. Т.е ниже,чем у албанцев.

        can now answer why the cost of living for a day, in humans, is less than that of a beast in a zoo?

        With this Raccoon, two more zoo workers feed !!! wink
    3. rusich 19 May 2020 19: 41 New
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      Do not whistle on the ears. In the USSR, the military received one of the largest pensions in the country, which was comparable to payments for civil servants and party members. The size of the collateral was affected by the rank of the recipient. For example:
      an ordinary officer received about 250 rubles a month;
      Higher military personnel were assigned from 300 to 500 rubles.
      1. Andrey NM 19 May 2020 19: 54 New
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        Pension in those days was calculated from salary + title and depended on the length of service, but not more than 240 rubles. With a length of service of 20 years - 50%, for each year over that 5% plus, with a length of service of 25 years - 75%, for each subsequent year the interest was added, but not more than 85% and not more than 240 rubles.
        1. dedusik 19 May 2020 23: 17 New
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          Well, not 20 years, but 25.
          USSR Council of Ministers
          DECISION
          dated May 30, 1985 N 493

          6. The right to a pension for seniority is granted to persons in command and rank and file who have 25 years or more of seniority on the day of dismissal from service.

          7. Long-service pensions are calculated in the following amounts:

          a) persons in command and rank and file who have 25 years of service (except as specified in subparagraph b of this paragraph) - 50 percent of salaries and for each year of service over 25 years - 3 percent of salaries, but not more than 75 percent of salaries of the monetary content;
          b) persons of middle, senior and senior command staff with a length of service of 25 years, discharged by the reserve by age or illness and reached 55 on the day of dismissal or dismissed, - 60 percent of salaries and for each year of service in excess of 25 years - 3 percent of salaries, but not more than 75 percent of salaries.

          Plus interest for length of service and plus 60 rubles for sales
          1. Andrey NM 20 May 2020 10: 02 New
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            Plus interest for length of service and plus 60 rubles for sales

            Если честно, стал забывать, много лет уже прошло. Паек был 40 рублей, пайковые деньги оформлялись формой 100. Запомнил, потому, что с этими бланками был непонятный дефицит. В 80-х годах на ПЛ, где я служил, финансистов не было, да и сейчас их наверное нет, а на экипаж довольствие кто-то должен начислять, ведомости оформлять, выслугу считать и т.д. У нас в экипаже обычно выбирали какого-нибудь молодого офицера и "вешали" на него эту "почетную" дополнительную нагрузку. Была одна радость - у тебя был вкладыш, дававший право ходить через всякие КПП в рабочее время. Вот на меня это дело повесили. 4 года я этим занимался. Никто скидок на дополнительные обязанности не давал, за личный состав и железо драли в полном объеме. Мой предшественник отдал мне бумаги, ящичек с финкнижками, перекрестился и выдохнул с облегчением :). Ведомости тогда допускалось заполнять только в ручную, правда и компьютеров не было. Точнее, были зачатки в виде "спектрумов" и "электроник". Вот у меня был такой, сами на коленке собирали, печаталка МС-6313 и дисковод (!). Я тогда прогу простенькую написал для расчета ЗП и выслуги на бэйсике.
            All these calculations were regulated by the order of the Moscow Region. I remember the record of service. In peacetime, the crew - 1 month and a half, for ships with a physical start-up of the reactor - 1 month in two. Kamchatka - 1 month in two. There were some islands in the north where there was 1 month in three (which surprised me), but at least kill me, I forgot the name. For military operations - 1 day for three, in the penal battalion - 1 day for six (this is the management team). And the pilots in peacetime had 1 month in 2, subject to an annual raid of at least 40 hours. The junior officers could retire at 40 years of age with at least 20 years of service in preferential terms, senior officers at 45 and older, colonels and senior officers at 50 years old, colonel generals at 55 years old. Well, they could extend it. Quite often, teachers actually retired immediately, especially with a degree. For health - regardless of length of service, immediately 85%. So we quit one. But there had to be a medical board decision, etc.
            1. dedusik 20 May 2020 10: 48 New
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              The grandfather, though old, but remembers everything, as they say, in old age, a good memory returns, and the current one disappears laughing
              Quote: Andrew NM
              For health - regardless of length of service, immediately 85%.

              This is if they were fired with the second disability group.
              It was easier for us, FINO was considered for us, and everything else can be read in this Resolution and in the Resolution on the performance of service of March 18, 1985 N 240
              1. Andrey NM 20 May 2020 20: 41 New
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                Grandfather, though old, but remembers everything ...

                Yes, it will be necessary to refresh :). Just then, just like my predecessor, when transferring to the young lieutenant, he crossed himself, exhaled and forgot. :) But now, as I recall, when after the autonomy a monetary allowance of more than 140 people for 3 months (sanatorium and vacation pay) in a simple bag on a regular bus from Oleni Guba to Gadzhievo was dragging, and even with "bonuses". There, even before the road from the village, it was necessary to stomp 3 km, but wait for this bus ... It was fun time.
      2. tihonmarine 19 May 2020 20: 25 New
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        an ordinary officer received about 250 rubles a month

        А любой гражданский получал 120 руб. и если отработал на одном предприятии 25 лет, то 135 руб. и не зависело какую зарплату ты получал до пенсии. Так что обижаться военным нельзя.
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: rusich
          an ordinary officer received about 250 rubles a month

          А любой гражданский получал 120 руб. и если отработал на одном предприятии 25 лет, то 135 руб. и не зависело какую зарплату ты получал до пенсии.

          Pensions were normal. The flight from Syktyvkar to Min Waters with an intermediate landing in Yoshkar-Ola cost 48 rubles (from 1984-1988). There, back-96 rubles. Accordingly, there remained 24 rubles (at 120) and 39 (at 135). In principle, a Soviet pensioner could hit the Min Vody on one pension, hang out there for 4-5 days and come back. Where today, on one pension, the Russian pensioner can hit the road? winked
          1. Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 21: 09 New
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            Where today, on one pension, the Russian pensioner can hit the road?

            To the credit department of the bank. laughing
          2. your1970 21 May 2020 10: 18 New
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            In principle, a Soviet pensioner could hit the Min Water for one retirement, hang out there for 4-5 days and come back.
            -In principle, I could ... only for some reason not dangled ...
            I’m from three neighboring streets not a single pensioner (and there were many who received an increased pension for the war) who went to the resorts, I don’t remember what it would be like to remember .... this is an event on the whole street (of the “Love and Pigeons” level !! !) in a small village
            In the region in the sanatorium went on treatment for trips (my grandfather also went), it was ....
            1. Nyrobsky 21 May 2020 12: 18 New
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              -In principle, I could ... only for some reason I did not dangle ...
              I’m from three neighboring streets not a single pensioner (and there were many who received increased pension for the war) who went to resorts

              I think so, whoever needed it, they dangled. Agree, the geography of the USSR was not limited to three streets and the possibilities of the residents living in your neighborhood.
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                -In principle, I could ... only for some reason I did not dangle ...
                I’m from three neighboring streets not a single pensioner (and there were many who received increased pension for the war) who went to resorts

                I think so, whoever needed it, they dangled. Agree, the geography of the USSR was not limited to three streets and the possibilities of the residents living in your neighborhood.

                out of harm, now talking to my mother (she was a doctor all her life), I asked her about trips to the sanatoriums of average pensioners in our area. She didn’t remember a single one who would go to the south ... here in the sanatorium local veterans of the war went for treatment according to vouchers and regularly prepared documents a lot .....
                Well, who drove then - it is quite visible from Soviet films. Either hard workers on vouchers, or responsible workers (like Gurchenko in Love and Pigeons), or traders of all stripes ("those who needed it") ...
                senior citizens - not seen ...
                They traveled abroad from us - to Bulgaria and Cuba, the millionaire pre-collective farm even sailed around Europe, went to the resorts too many people - but she didn’t remember the pensioners ..

                And yes - a village of 32 - this is quite a stat sample
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                  out of harm, now talking to my mother (she was a doctor all her life), I asked her about trips to sanatoriums of average pensioners in our region. She didn’t remember a single one who would go to the south ... local war veterans went to sanatoriums for treatment a lot of regular paperwork .....
                  Well, who traveled then is quite evident from Soviet films. Either hard workers on vouchers, or responsible workers (like Gurchenko in Love and Pigeons), or traders of all stripes ("those who needed it") ...
                  senior citizens - not seen ...
                  And yes - a village of 32 - this is quite a stat sample

                  I agree, I will not argue. Only it’s not about whether pensioners went or didn’t go, but that they could well afford it at a pension of 120-135 rubles.
                  В нынешнее же время, со средней по стране пенсией в 15 тыс.рублей мало кто из пенсионеров может позволить себе выехать за пределы района, особенно после уплаты ЖКХ и покупки необходимого набора лекарств. hi
        2. Sklendarka 19 May 2020 21: 56 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: rusich
          an ordinary officer received about 250 rubles a month

          А любой гражданский получал 120 руб. и если отработал на одном предприятии 25 лет, то 135 руб. и не зависело какую зарплату ты получал до пенсии. Так что обижаться военным нельзя.

          132 rubles (120 + 10%) and not a penny more ....
          1. dedusik 19 May 2020 23: 28 New
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            But how can I say, my mother-in-law, a therapist, received 165 rubles, and my father-in-law, a war veteran, received 178 rubles, then they started to raise him great
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            132 rubles (120 + 10%) and not a penny more ....

            As for 132 rubles. - for sure. But you forget that in the USSR there were categories of civilian pensioners who could receive bonuses for academic degrees, for special working conditions, for outstanding achievements, up to personal payments for special merits. Therefore, some senior officials and party workers received much more of these restrictions upon retirement.
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              I'm about mere mortals ...
      3. Doliva63 19 May 2020 20: 40 New
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        Do not whistle on the ears. In the USSR, the military received one of the largest pensions in the country, which was comparable to payments for civil servants and party members. The size of the collateral was affected by the rank of the recipient. For example:
        an ordinary officer received about 250 rubles a month;
        Higher military personnel were assigned from 300 to 500 rubles.

        The rank and file officer is how? laughing Отец, старший офицер, при 32 годах выслуги получал пенсию 205 руб. - это с учётом ВОВ.
        1. ccsr 20 May 2020 12: 18 New
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          Father, a senior officer, at 32 years of service, received a pension of 205 rubles. - This is taking into account the Second World War.

          My being a senior officer, came under the Khrushchev reduction in 1961 and had a calendar of 25 years, and began to receive a pension of 115 rubles. as a participant in the Second World War. And only later he was first raised to 145 rubles, and then in the eighties to 165 rubles.
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            Quote: Doliva63
            Father, a senior officer, at 32 years of service, received a pension of 205 rubles. - This is taking into account the Second World War.

            My being a senior officer, came under the Khrushchev reduction in 1961 and had a calendar of 25 years, and began to receive a pension of 115 rubles. as a participant in the Second World War. And only later he was first raised to 145 rubles, and then in the eighties to 165 rubles.

            A colleague, another 7-8 years of service, would receive as mine. I also had such among my relatives. But whoever left the military representative did not complain.
      4. knn54 19 May 2020 21: 45 New
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        1.Rusich. It is necessary to read ATTENTIVELY. Talk about pensions and salaries among military social countries.
        2.У профессорско-преподавательского состава пенсии и зарплаты повыше были.
        3. The title is not a fact. Father Lt. Col., was the deputy head of the cycle - at the Central Control Commission. He received 15 rubles more. Than the colonel, a participant in the Second World War, the head of the cycle. Only at the military department, at the university.
        4. In 1993 (after the collapse of the USSR), his pension was the same as that of the cleaning lady of the former regional committee of the CPSU. The truth was that she had been in a "similar position" in the NKVD / KGB.
        И ГЛАВНОЕ-видать не научили незнакомым не тыкать?
      5. Sergej1972 20 May 2020 00: 18 New
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        For an ordinary member of the party, the pension did not completely differ from the non-party pension.
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        an ordinary officer received about 250 rubles a month;

        Sorry, but an ordinary or an officer?
      7. Ross xnumx 20 May 2020 03: 54 New
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        Quote: rusich
        which was comparable to payments for civil servants and party members.

        You, at least, insert correct definitions. Not party members, but party workers.
        Quote: tihonmarine
        So the military cannot be offended.

        Indeed, it is a sin to be offended. Only civilians could change their place of work, or even residence. They used the right to an 8-hour working day, received processing allowances, went to polyclinics, and their children studied at schools where teachers worked all their lives, and did not change as they were equipped. You do not compare moving around the city with moving to a new duty station. And this is at a time when household utensils were in short supply. And in some duty stations, even with electricity, not to mention television, there were problems.
        1. your1970 21 May 2020 10: 26 New
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          Only civilians could change their place of work, or even residence.
          -zzzz .. problems with registration, haven’t you? forgotten already? when do you need registration for work - do you need work for registration?
          Fictitious wives / husbands, no?
          I’m wondering, we were sitting in the air defense district, it received a premium “for waterlessness”, 5 years and went to more civilized lands ...
          and here we (32 population) have been living in this waterlessness all our lives, and no one paid us any bonuses.
          Their gills must have dried up, yes? From "waterlessness"?
          And nearby at the same airfield there was a helicopter regiment, which, oddly enough, wasn’t paid for "waterlessness" .... despite all the complaints to all authorities, both during the USSR and later ....
      8. ccsr 20 May 2020 12: 04 New
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        . For example:
        an ordinary officer received about 250 rubles a month;
        Higher military personnel were assigned from 300 to 500 rubles.

        There is no need to lie, because the maximum pension in the USSR in the 80s for lieutenant colonels inclusive was 200 rubles, but as an exception, higher pensions were allowed in some cases. Colonels had a limitation of up to 250 rubles, and only those who stood on forked general posts were given 275 rubles. The generals up to and including the lieutenant general had restrictions of 350 rubles. But there was a system of individual allowances for some military personnel, and they could have had more pensions, but this did not apply to the vast majority of military pensioners.
        By the way, civil pensions in the country then amounted to a maximum of 132 rubles, but many pensioners had individual allowances and they could also receive about 180 - 200 rubles. per month.
    4. Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 20: 33 New
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      The level of salaries and pensions of officers of the USSR Armed Forces among the armies of socialist countries was in the penultimate place, before the Romanians. Ie lower than that of Albanians.

      Чёё...??? У меня сосед полкан был, так он бы посмеялся. 230 получал. Или 320, уж и не помню.
      1. ccsr 20 May 2020 12: 07 New
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        What ... ??? My neighbor was a polkan, so he would have laughed. 230 received. Or 320, I don’t remember.

        He received 230, because above 250 they could not charge him. Apparently, his salary was not very large, or the length of service was not higher than 30 years.
    5. Sling cutter 19 May 2020 23: 43 New
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      Quote: knn54
      The level of salaries and pensions of officers of the USSR Armed Forces among the armies of socialist countries was in the penultimate place, before the Romanians. Ie lower than that of Albanians.

      I’m not only ashamed of you, but I’ll tell you for sure that soon the power will change, and you will receive exactly that minimum Putin living wage! and not a penny anymore!
    6. Glory1974 20 May 2020 09: 25 New
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      The level of salaries and pensions of officers of the USSR Armed Forces among the armies of socialist countries was in the penultimate place, before the Romanians.

      Если бы в СССР был уровень жизни как в ГДР, у нас бы не было ни перестройки ,ни 91 года. Этого уровня мы до сих пор не достигли.( за исключением некоторых приближенных к )
      Жена капитана армии ГДР говорила: "Как муж получит майора, перестану работать, буду сидеть дома", его жалования хватало на все семью.
      1. ccsr 20 May 2020 12: 27 New
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        The wife of the captain of the army of the GDR said: "As the husband receives the major, I will stop working, I will stay at home," his salary was enough for the whole family.

        I was acquainted with a German lieutenant colonel on the eve of the reunification of Germany and was in his family. He received about 2500 eastern marks, and his wife, the senior nurse in the clinic, received 2000 marks. For comparison, the minimum salary in the GDR was 600 marks, as a rule, saleswomen in stores started with it, the rest had more. So a major in the NNA could get 2000-2200 marks tentatively, and with that money you could easily live in the GDR at that time, where a pair of good shoes cost 100 marks and a bottle of beer was less than 1 mark. Our Ladas were sold there at a price of 24 thousand marks to 30 thousand, depending on the configuration, so that the annual earnings of the major were enough to buy a car.
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          Quote: ccsr
          Quote: glory1974
          The wife of the captain of the army of the GDR said: "As the husband receives the major, I will stop working, I will stay at home," his salary was enough for the whole family.

          I was acquainted with a German lieutenant colonel on the eve of the reunification of Germany and was in his family. He received about 2500 eastern marks, and his wife, the senior nurse in the clinic, received 2000 marks. For comparison, the minimum salary in the GDR was 600 marks, as a rule, saleswomen in stores started with it, the rest had more. So a major in the NNA could get 2000-2200 marks tentatively, and with that money you could easily live in the GDR at that time, where a pair of good shoes cost 100 marks and a bottle of beer was less than 1 mark. Our Ladas were sold there at a price of 24 thousand marks to 30 thousand, depending on the configuration, so that the annual earnings of the major were enough to buy a car.

          When we exchanged 30 rubles for stamps on the “shipment” in Frankfurt, I went to the store and was confused - what should I choose? And when they just got off the train, on the platform the Germans asked for our cigarettes, especially Java-100 inspired them laughing Here it was so different, my beloved GDR - you won’t throw 9 years out of life.
  • Beringovsky 19 May 2020 18: 25 New
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    The fact is that at that time the State existed.
    And now, in fact, it is not there, there is a kind of simulacrum created by a parasitic layer that came in the wake of the country's deriban in the 90s. And these people are now in power.
    Their stupidity and helplessness is clearly visible right now, when you need to make informed decisions.
  • Pvi1206 19 May 2020 18: 34 New
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    interesting and useful article ... everything is compared in comparison ...
  • Red Alert 19 May 2020 18: 37 New
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    This is all good, but what does the topic of pensions have to do with Military Review?

    There are many such articles here https://topwar.ru/171281-golod-v-rossii-v-1929-34-gg.html. What does this article have to do with military review?
  • Strashila 19 May 2020 18: 51 New
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    “But again, no more than 120 rubles a month.”, In 1986, my mother retired at the age of 45 on the 1st grid, the pension is 132 rubles.
    1. Anatole Klim 19 May 2020 19: 28 New
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      Quote: Strashila
      The size of the pension is 132 rubles.

      It was a very good pension. I remember in the late 70s I invited a girl from a parallel class to the cinema and I had one ruble in my pocket, no, it’s not so, I had whole ruble, after the movie they ate ice cream, drank juice, then shot at the dash from the air. The ruble at that time had money yes
      1. Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 19: 37 New
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        after the movie they ate ice cream, drank juice, then shot at the dash from the air. The ruble at that time had money

        Children's ticket - 10 kopecks, tomato juice - 11 kopecks, bullet - 2 kopecks, ice cream - up to 22 kopecks. crying
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          Children's ticket - 10 kopecks, tomato juice - 11 kopecks, bullet - 2 kopecks, ice cream - up to 22 kopecks.


          The ticket for children is 5 kopecks at the collective farm club, tomato juice - 10 kopecks, grape juice 18 kopecks, pulka - 2 kopecks, ice cream - up to 22 kopecks, gray bread 16 kopecks, a loaf of 22 kopecks. A bottle of milk is 15 kopecks, a bottle of lemonade 20. How much milk and lemonade cost.
          1. dedusik 19 May 2020 23: 33 New
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            And do not forget that the cost included returnable packaging smile
            1. ANB
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              Yes Yes. I therefore wrote the cost of the bottles. Only forgot the full price.
          2. Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 23: 58 New
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            How much was milk and lemonade forgot.

            28 kopecks liter milk. Pinocchio - 32 cents, but a bottle from it - 20 cents.
          3. Ross xnumx 20 May 2020 04: 04 New
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            Quote: ANB
            How much was milk and lemonade forgot.

            Milk 0,5 liters in a glass container - 30 kopecks. Lemonade 0,5 liters in a glass container - 22 kopecks.
            A liter bottle of milk - 50 cents.
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            28 kopecks liter milk. Pinocchio - 32 cents, but a bottle from it - 20 cents.

            A bottle cost 12 kopecks, I don’t remember the price before the 1961 reform. lol
            1. Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 04: 45 New
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              Bottle cost 12 kopecks

              12 cents - this is from under the vodka in my opinion, such as the capital. A cheburashka was the most expensive, 20 cents. I lived next to the forest belt, so we have neighbor grandmothers in bottles, as if they were mushrooms. And next to the school was the reception of glass containers. We used to tear a rowan-fish net, steal bottles and hand over there. laughing And once my grandfather scored a full cart of bottles, they drove me, they handed over 24 rubles.
              1. Sofievka 22 May 2020 07: 07 New
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                After a football match at the stadium, empty containers were taken out with bags, the bill went to hundreds of bottles, it was strange that nobody hit their neighbor’s head with them
          4. Altona 20 May 2020 08: 02 New
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            How much was milk and lemonade forgot.

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            Milk is 24 kopecks / liter, lemonade is 12 kopecks, because beer cost 20 kopecks for 0,5 (I remembered lemonade to be tied to beer, I went to the city bath with my father because. laughing ).
    2. Xnumx vis 19 May 2020 23: 08 New
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      Quote: Strashila
      “But again, no more than 120 rubles a month.”, In 1986, my mother retired at the age of 45 on the 1st grid, the pension is 132 rubles.

      А сколько стоил хороший цветной ТВ , хороший холодильник , стиралка автомат , стерео магнитофон хороший , я не говорю уже о тряпках и сапогах , что для женщины всегда важно ! Да , продукты питания были не дороги , не дорого стоили билеты на жд . и авиа транспорт ... Но пенсии для гражданских всё равно были очень небольшими ... Моя мама всю жизнь проучила в школе детей ... 1-4 классы ... ушла на пенсию в 55 лет .. Первая запись в трудовой в шестнадцать лет ... Пенсия 85 рублей ... У отца 220 рублей . Военный моряк . Правда и умер рано ... Сказались вахты на мостике корабля по двое суток ... Море , ответственность за корабль ... Under the USSR, no one paid money for nothing!
      1. dedusik 19 May 2020 23: 35 New
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        Good color, not imported, the TV cost about 640-720 rubles
        1. Xnumx vis 19 May 2020 23: 52 New
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          Quote: dedusik
          Good color, not imported, the TV cost about 640-720 rubles

          Электрон третьего поколения ( как тогда называли ) стоил 870 рублей ...... У жены молодой специалист ,инженер зарплата 115 рублей ... Жили на квартире , маленький ребёнок ...Я получал 260 ... Сейчас хороший телик можно купить на одну зарплату ... Всё течёт , всё меняется ....
          1. Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 00: 57 New
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            Now a good telly can be bought for one salary ...

            Go buy a turntable for 11 million.
            1. Xnumx vis 20 May 2020 08: 33 New
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              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: 30 vis
              Now a good telly can be bought for one salary ...

              Go buy a turntable for 11 million.

              laughing Go hand over the glass containers! lol А на кой чёрт она нужна эта вертушка ! Многие машины покупают за идиотские цены .. Кредиты берут , как оглашенные ..... А потом мусор выбрасывать на них ездят или в магазин за хлебом ... Пройти триста метров не могут ... ... Скоро ходить разучатся . Лучше б на эти деньги полечились , или зубы себе сделали ... В конце концов с женой и детьми отдохнули ...
              1. Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 08: 39 New
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                or to the store for bread ... They can’t walk three hundred meters

                I agree. As one friend told, he sent his son for bread, he puts on his shoes and yells: "Ma, give me the keys to the car!" Dad at him: "You’re completely foolish, a hundred meters to the store!" In general, he gave him a kick, not the keys.
  • Old Horseradish 19 May 2020 19: 24 New
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    Here, some, not quite smart comrades, write what the pension theme has to do with military review. So. Especially for them: from the insurance (retirement) experience, these bad people (radishes) threw out military service in the SA (Soviet Army). That is, now now those who served an urgent service in the Soviet Army for 2 years can this service .... sorry for being rude, well, in general, you understand. Congratulations to all the demobilization of the Soviet Union. Not only did we swear an oath to a country that was destroyed, but now our two years have also been washed away from our retirement experience. You can yell "Urya!" and it’s not clear what to admire.
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      Quote: Old Horseradish
      You can yell "Urya!" and it’s not clear what to admire.

      But nothing? Well, for example, in the top 25 most expensive yachts in the world, 5 pieces belong to citizens of the Russian Federation. Not a reason for pride? Let us have pensions of 150 dollars each, and not everyone will survive to them, far from everyone ... But yachts are envy. You can be enthusiastic. yes
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      Quote: Old Horseradish
      threw out military service in the SA (Soviet Army).

      А мне 3 года в ВМФ засчитали. Сходите в фонд и разберитесь. В каких то годах не засчитывали, потом начали.
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      . из страхового (пенсионного) стажа эти нехорошие люди (редиски) выкинули срочную службу в СА (Советской Армии).

      And experience has long had virtually no effect on anything. Basis - the amount of contributions paid.
    4. Xnumx vis 19 May 2020 23: 09 New
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      Quote: Old Horseradish
      Especially for them: from the insurance (retirement) experience these bad people (radishes) threw out military service in the SA (Soviet Army). That is now now those who served the emergency service in the Soviet Army for 2 years can this service .... sorry for being rude, well, in general, you understand. Congratulations to all the demobilization of the Soviet Union.

      Ушёл год назад ...Два года службы засчитали ... Вы воздух сотрясаете громами и вонью зря ...
  • A. Privalov 19 May 2020 19: 29 New
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    I was born in 1954. Sclerosis has not yet overcome me.
    In 1964, my grandmother, a primary school teacher with a 32-year experience, retired 59 rubles.
    A little earlier, my grandfather was dismissed from the army in 1948 to reduce (almost 24 years of service) and began his seniority as a construction foreman, retired 74 rubles.
    Это считалось хорошими пенсиями. Зарплаты в непроизводственном секторе начала 70-х 62 руб. 50 коп. - 65 рублей были не редкостью.
    For the sake of justice, it should be noted that by 1978, my grandmother had raised their pension to 80 rubles, and my grandfather had already received almost 1986 by 120.
    1. knn54 19 May 2020 20: 42 New
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      Александр. Я тоже с 1954г. Но у моего отца,подполковника.,с выслугой 32 года в 1983 году пенсия была 230 рублей.А ведь ваш дед еще и участник войны.Странно.Видимо ушел в звании не выше капитана.
      In order to receive a military pension (50% of the salary), the length of service should be at least 20 years. Otherwise, alas, a “span”.
      С 1969г по 1988(или даже по 1990) за "двушку" с телефоном я платил около 12 рублей. за трех человек.
      У инженера.уже с середины 70-х, пенсия ( стаж 25 лет) была 120 рублей.При стаже более 35 лет-132 (+10%),практически максимум.
    2. tihonmarine 19 May 2020 20: 43 New
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      For the sake of justice, it should be noted that by 1978, my grandmother had raised their pension to 80 rubles, and my grandfather had already received almost 1986 by 120.

      My parents retired in 1979, my father received 120 rubles. mother 110 rub. but they were paid extra by the Smolensk region, and mothers and the Belarusian partisan movement. So it turned out about 140 rubles.
      1. Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 20: 52 New
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        So it turned out about 140 rubles.

        Very nice even. My mother received cashier 110.
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          Very nice even. My mother received cashier 110.

          Mine then added to the war.
  • Petrol cutter 19 May 2020 19: 48 New
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    I'm too young. Discuss the guesthouse of the USSR however.
    I won’t go into the jungle, but (as far as I remember) my grandfather (as long as I was alive), my grandmother (there was a rather modest boarding house) - it was enough to eat, pay for everything, eat (plus treat granddaughters).
    Thus, I have no complaints against the Soviet government in terms of ensuring an adequate standard of living for pensioners.
    The current state of affairs, for a minute, does not inspire the exploits of labor ...
    I could be wrong...
  • Avior 19 May 2020 20: 09 New
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    Grandmother who worked on a collective farm, pension 41 rubles, the beginning of the 80s.
    not very big, to be honest.
    1. Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 20: 16 New
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      Grandmother who worked on a collective farm, pension 41 rubles, the beginning of the 80s.
      not very big, to be honest.

      I don’t know the sum of pensions of my grandfather and grandmother, but he had enough to buy seven kilos of chicken for the weekend. Plus - checkie. And the grandmother didn’t work at all after the war.
      1. Sklendarka 19 May 2020 22: 01 New
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        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: Avior
        Grandmother who worked on a collective farm, pension 41 rubles, the beginning of the 80s.
        not very big, to be honest.

        I don’t know the sum of pensions of my grandfather and grandmother, but he had enough to buy seven kilos of chicken for the weekend. Plus - checkie. And the grandmother didn’t work at all after the war.

        Chicken 7 kg ?, if not a secret WHERE ????
        1. Gato 20 May 2020 00: 38 New
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          Chicken 7 kg?

          She was probably not alone, but with her friends
          1. Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 01: 10 New
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            She was probably not alone, but with her friends

            Her friends except in the ass in the form of an egg. What, I can’t believe it? But it was. Let’s burn it on straw, put it into a pan of 20 liters, scent the whole house ...
        2. Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 01: 01 New
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          Chicken 7 kg ?, if not a secret WHERE ????

          At the farmer's market. repeat Special weighed. Kilo for seven to eight, plus a pair of eggs in the ass.
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            plus a pair of eggs in the ass

            Ah .. Well then, she was not with her friends, but with her husband wink
            1. Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 01: 17 New
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              and with her husband

              But the roosters there were dead for some reason. recourse
        3. Ross xnumx 20 May 2020 04: 13 New
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          Chicken 7 kg ?, if not a secret WHERE ????

          In the Krasnodar Territory, Art. Dinskaya, in 1977 the first time saw an indocour. These are exactly 7 kg pulled.
      2. Altona 20 May 2020 08: 09 New
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        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        but he had enough to buy a kilo of seven chicken for the weekend.

        ----------------------
        Again. Hungarian broiler chickens weighed about 1,5 kilograms at that time. For today's monsters, under 3+ kg is dystrophy. As I joke at times: “Previously, the chicken ate 4 kg of seeds and grew up to 2 kg in weight, today it eats 2 kg of seeds and grows up to 4 kg in weight. What kind of mutants do we eat?” laughing
        1. Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 08: 16 New
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          As I joke at times: "Previously, the chicken ate 4 kg of seeds and grew up to 2 kg in weight, today it eats 2 kg of seeds and grows up to 4 kg in weight. What kind of mutants do we eat?"

          My uncle came from the Urals, was surprised: "Uncle Vanya, where do you find such hens?" Specially weighed, almost 7 pounds. 6,800 with something. Grandfather bought in the market. I don’t remember the prices for them.
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 May 2020 21: 57 New
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            Vladimir, were those hens exactly? good
            1. Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 22: 38 New
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              Vladimir, were those hens exactly?

              And what is wrong? It was a skinny, bluish cyanosis in the stores, but anything could be found in the market. My grandfather chose the largest, he liked to eat them.
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                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Vladimir, were those hens exactly?

                And what is wrong? It was a skinny, bluish cyanosis in the stores, but anything could be found in the market. My grandfather chose the largest, he liked to eat them.

                the blue ones were the age culling from the poultry farms, which, by age, began to rush very little
                But the big ones are factory-made broilers + GDR vitamins (in aluminum flasks such as thermoses with screw caps) + Czechoslovakia antibiotics (in glass). "There was no chemistry in the USSR," yeah ...
                Her sister (a veterinarian at a poultry farm) brought such + chickens of thoroughbred broilers to her grandmother, so they really grew big and the case was small ...
                All the neighbors were jealous of their grandmother ...
                1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 May 2020 21: 50 New
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                  My mother in the 90s, a piglet Sasha (named after her cousin) gave a double horse dose of vitamin D! The dose itself was equine, plus instead of two pigs (there was Slavka - in honor of the second brother), it stuck to one !!! After this happiness, the pig grew in length and breadth. More like a dachshund than a normal boar! But the warbler still grew into a pig of normal pork proportions!
                  And so my uncles came to visit, and mother without complexes - I named pigs in your honor! Uncle Sasha drank three days, and the last day in a nook together with his "eponymous"! The upshot was that mother kicked her brother home with a pig! Aunt Julia was delighted when, after a trinity, on the threshold of a three-room apartment, her husband appeared in pairs with a boar! So in the evening they brought the boar back! The hand didn’t go up to the boar’s uncle !!!
              2. Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 May 2020 21: 35 New
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                Good evening!
                About joke joked!
                Parents in the 90s kept a subsidiary farm, including broilers. Over the summer, they gained 5-6 kg. To 7 weighed cocks. Turkeys and even more.
                So in Mordovia, chickens are the most mordovorotnye !!! Only no offense - a joke !!!
                Regards, Vlad!
  • reader65 19 May 2020 21: 56 New
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    1956 - to retire at age 60, 25 years of service were required and seniority included part-time service in CA and studies.

    2010 - to retire at 60 years of age, 42 years of experience are required, and conscript service and study are not included in the experience.

    Feel the difference gentlemen military.
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      Feel the difference gentlemen military.

      20 years of experience are enough for the military to retire, regular service is included, studies are included, but after the oath.
    2. reader65 19 May 2020 22: 46 New
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      Instead of 2010, read 2020.

      And all this applies to civilians.
    3. Gato 20 May 2020 00: 43 New
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      2010 - for retirement at 60 years of age, 42 years of experience are required and full-time service in CA and study in seniority are not included

      Um .. That is, in order to retire at 60, you have to work from the age of 18, but do not serve urgent and do not study anywhere in person?
      1. Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 01: 06 New
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        That is, to retire at 60, you need to work from the age of 18, but do not serve urgent and do not study anywhere in person?

        Previously, training and the army were part of the experience, if sclerosis does not confuse me.
        1. Gato 20 May 2020 01: 12 New
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          Да и сейчас входит, у нас на Украине - точно. Правда, пенсия такая, что лучше сразу... того. Видимо поэтому пассивные гомосексуалисты из правительства решили пойти навстречу народу и повысили пенсионный возраст.
          1. Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 01: 15 New
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            Yes, and now it’s included, for sure in Ukraine.

            The army enters, but studying in the techie is gone.
            1. Gato 20 May 2020 01: 21 New
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              We enter, after 2004 we only clarified what is not included without interruption from production:
              The seniority for calculating the old age pension includes the time of study in higher and secondary special educational institutions, in schools and courses for training, advanced training and retraining, in graduate school, doctoral studies and clinical residency
              1. Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 01: 26 New
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                We enter, after 2004 we only clarified what is not included without interruption from production:

                У нас такого наворотили, что свихнуться можно. Вообще хрен поймешь, что там в стаж входит, что нет, и как вообще пенсию считают. И со стаканом не получается понять. crying
                1. Gato 20 May 2020 01: 42 New
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                  how do they consider retirement. And with a glass I can’t understand

                  That’s yes, we also got a lot of money, so there’s not enough glass - you can’t even meddle in a pension without a liter of cognac. There is an online calculator on the internet for calculating pensions, but he, the bastard, always gives different results, and with the fact that they count in the pension they never coincide at all belay
                2. Nike 20 May 2020 06: 29 New
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                  With a glass in any way, only with a can.
                  1. Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 06: 32 New
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                    With a glass in any way, only with a can.

                    Yes, even with a bucket. I’ve tried to understand how pension is calculated, I completely dislocated my brains, but I didn’t understand anything.
            2. reader65 20 May 2020 06: 16 New
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              In the Russian Federation, fixed-term service is not included in the length of service for early (at 60) retirement.
              My brother had 60 in February 2020. Experience of 40,5 years. Neither the army nor the vocational schools entered. Even before retirement, 1,5 years.
              I reacted with understand, but with obscenities.
            3. reader65 20 May 2020 06: 18 New
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              The Russian Federation fixed-term service for the early (at 60 years) retirement is not included.
              My brother had 60 in February 2020. Experience of 40,5 years. Neither the army nor the vocational schools entered. Even before retirement, 1,5 years.
              I reacted with understand, but with obscenities.
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      4. Ua3qhp 20 May 2020 08: 40 New
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        Almost so, you can serve urgent if you are already working before the call. Then urgent will enter into the experience. If he studied before the call, he won’t enter. Full-time study on any of the experience is not included. Country experts are unnecessary.
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          Full-time study on any of the experience is not included.

          Знакомый выходил на пенсию ,так ему не засчитали не только очное обучение, но и курсы повышения квалификации от производства.
          1. Ua3qhp 20 May 2020 13: 31 New
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            This is if the courses are out of production.
            At the end of the 80s, when university students were drafted into the army after the end of the 1-2 year, medical students deducted from the naval forces after deducting 9 years from the experience. 3 years service plus 6 years of university.
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              medical students drafted into the naval crew on deducted 9 years from the experience. 3 years service plus 6 years of university.

              Stunning injustice!
  • Virus-free crown 19 May 2020 23: 30 New
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    As for 9 Ali, there are 12 rubles. I’m not going to lie to pensioners-collective farmers from the state state — in the 1970s, because of the small age, I was not even interested request only I WELL remember that once a month we went with my grandfather to the collective farm’s warehouse and from there I helped him take home a “pension from the collective farm” - paid to all collective farmers-pensioners, by the way hi roughly - a bag of potatoes, a bag of cabbage and a bag of wheat)))
    1. Sergej1972 20 May 2020 01: 29 New
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      Probably mostly still wheat and (or) rye, oats, barley. There were a lot of potatoes from the infield. I doubt about cabbage. Storage problem. Most collective farms did not deal with cabbage, carrots, and onions, except for suburban ones.
      1. Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 01: 55 New
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        Most collective farms did not deal with cabbage, carrots, and onions, except for suburban ones.

        We went from school to carrots, chopped tops.
        1. Sergej1972 20 May 2020 04: 07 New
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          Мы ездили на совхозные свёклу (тоже ботву рубили) и на картошку. Плюс у школы свой был участок, там тоже работали. В 70-80- х гг. в совхозах и в меньшей степени в колхозах существовала специализация по видам производимой продукции. Те из них, например, кто не занимались специально картофелем, морковью и капустой, выращивали их на небольших участках для нужд своих столовых. А так, во времена СССР, картошки, морковки и капусты больше производилось на приусадебных участках колхозников и рабочих совхозов, а также у дачников, по сравнению с колхозами и совхозами. Колхозы и совхозы больше занимались зерновыми культурами, сахарной свёклой, техническими культурами, на юге хлопководством. Плюс выращивали траву для скота, ведь важное значение имело животноводство. Хотя были и картофелеводческие, овощеводческие, и садоводческие хозяйства в пригородных зонах, но, по-моему, это были чаще совхозы, а не колхозы. Но на картошку и студенты, и рабочие и служащие городских предприятий регулярно выезжали. Уборка картофеля в то время была трудоёмким и слабомеханизированным процессом. Поэтому, даже если картофельные поля составляли меньшую часть обрабатываемой земли в колхозе и совхозе, рабочих рук требовалось много.В каждом колхозе и совхозе, даже не специализирующемся на садоводстве, был один как минимум сад, часто ещё бахча. Но зачастую колхозные и совхозные сады практического значения для хозяйства не имели. В совхозе, где я жил в детстве, большой яблочный сад совершенно не охранялся, его воспринимали скорее как место отдыха, и местные жители, и приезжие совершенно открыто, невозбранно собирали в нём яблоки. Никого за это не наказывали. Плюс там было много земляники.) Правда, и совхоз им особо не занимался. Хотя яблок там было немало каждый год. Во многих хозяйствах были пасеки, но иногда они существовали как бы в автономном режиме. Начальство колхозное и совхозное в дела пасечника особенно не лезло, и он сам работал и на хозяйство, и на свой карман.) Как я понимаю, зачастую эти пасеки создавались для лучшего опыления сельхозкультур, а задача производства мёда была не самой главной. Складывается ощущения, что плана по производства мёда у них не было. Хотя. врать не буду, точно не знаю.
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            We went to the state farm beets (they also chopped tops) and potatoes.

            We dangled on potatoes, on beets, on carrots, on apples, oats tossed and turned, cowsheds scoured, radishes sprinkled ... It was especially boring when we arrived at the farm for potatoes, where my dad picked it out on DT, and we collected it. Here is the teacher where he tapped me. And so I and this, and lazy, and nasty ... crying And after a week of picking, he couldn’t look at apples after six months; they collected fifty buckets per shift.
            1. Altona 20 May 2020 08: 14 New
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              We dangled on potatoes, on beets, on carrots, on apples, oats tossed and turned, cowsheds were scrubbed, weed was sprinkled ...

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              Since the 7th grade, I went to the collective farm for summer to pick up hay and weed for parents, in addition to school work, that is, practice. My mother was an accountant, she had a lot of work, to balance and write reports. My father also had no time, so in the morning I went to the factory bus with the inscription "collective farm", and with the table-keepers, technical technologists and construction technicians rode into fields and meadows. In general, it was fun.
              1. Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 08: 32 New
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                My father also had no time, so in the morning I went to the factory bus with the inscription "collective farm", and with the table-keepers, technical technologists and construction technicians rode into the fields and meadows. In general, it was fun.

                My dad drove from the enterprise as a machine operator, and we from the school, starting from the second grade. On beets, everyone was armed with ax knives. I had a cleaver half a meter, the uncle did, chopped tops.
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                  In Crimea it was more interesting, they started with radishes, smoothly switched to a rose, in the autumn - tomatoes, grapes all the way, it was fun
          2. Altona 20 May 2020 08: 16 New
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            Collective farms and state farms were more concerned with grain crops, sugar beet, industrial crops, and cotton growing in the south.

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            And they were asked for it because, but not for vegetables and fruits. Greenhouse farms were engaged in vegetables and at the end of the Soviet regime they even appeared at enterprises, growing flowers and greens for dining rooms. Vegetables and fruits were supplied by the "tomato" republics and the countries of Moldova, Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland. Since the time of CMEA, the Polish Hortex is still working.
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              I liked Bulgarian juice in glass bottles very much in childhood.
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      As for 9 Ali, there are 12 rubles. I’m not going to lie to pensioners-collective farmers from the state state — in the 1970s, because of the small age, I was not even interested request only I WELL remember that once a month we went with my grandfather to the collective farm’s warehouse and from there I helped him take home a “pension from the collective farm” - paid to all collective farmers-pensioners, by the way hi roughly - a bag of potatoes, a bag of cabbage and a bag of wheat)))
      is a little bit not pension lol - the collective farmer had the right every month acquire food for a small amount on the collective farm at a collective farm price (which was about half the store price). Our people tried to take meat and potatoes and that’s all ...
      In your case, roughly 5-7 rubles
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    And besides paratroopers and submariners there are no more military men? There are military commissaries, there are all kinds of signalmen, there are motorists, there are political leaders, all kinds of supply and allowance services, in general, cabinet and semi-cabinet workers.

    Somehow you boldly, so, generalize and contrast. But would you like to be a signalman to hang out in Afghanistan at a relay station somewhere on the mountain with a "garrison" of 5-7 people? Or carpenters to drive through gorges? Or how would a group with emblems of chemical troops climb the unexploded secret charge of a flamethrower into enemy territory? Did you know that after the type of “last warrior who left Afghanistan” B. Gromov under the orchestra and camera lenses a certain art. Ensign Zaiko did not have time to wind up all the extended arms of the gas station (for simultaneously refueling a large number of outgoing convoy equipment) and ended up between two gangs of mujahideen competing for production?
    Well, this is in addition to the fact that the emblems of communications and RTV were a favorite disguise of special forces ...
    So, when you don’t know what this or that military man was doing, it doesn’t mean that he skated like cheese in oil.
    Then the state did not give early pensions to anyone!
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    For USSR military pensions: a ceiling was set for junior officers at 200 rubles, and 350 for senior. These are very serious amounts for those times.
    Only it was a ceiling not just of pensions, but of total income. That is, many people continued to work, but the pension + pay should not exceed these amounts.
  • Old26 20 May 2020 18: 45 New
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    Be that as it may, since 1956 all citizens of the USSR, even those who did not have the required length of service, had the right to a state pension. True, they were supposed to receive a minimum allowance of 35 rubles.

    My grandfather did not work all the prescribed time, worked as a loader, and then, after receiving disability, as a shoemaker. And in the late 50s and early 60s, his pension was 23 rubles (after a change of money). Then they raised to 27 rubles. It is good that my parents were at that time also a GVHG and could help them. so 35 rubles ... I don’t know where their author took it ...
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    Quote: CTABEP
    This is all good, but what does the topic of pensions have to do with Military Review?

    Самое прямое - все советские офицеры платили подоходный налог и налог на бездетность (те кто не имел детей), так что с их приличных зарплат государство получало деньги в бюджет, чтобы выплачивать пенсии. Правда в восьмидесятых налог на бездетность отменили, но подоходный оставался. Хотя честно говоря я никогда не понимал, зачем вообще было вводить налог для военнослужащих, если было бы проще им уменьшить оклады, и не заниматься пересчетами, тем более что вычислительной техники не было в войсках, и финансисты в ручную составляли ведомости.

    Personally, my opinion is that a tax on childlessness is needed. Moreover, the older, the more it should be.
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      And my opinion, those who promote this nonsense, it is necessary to close. You can’t pay a tax on what you don’t have, only senility from the Communist Party that has ruined everything could come up with this. There are people who, for example, physically cannot have children, with what fright are they obliged to pay something?
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        There are people who, for example, physically cannot have children, with what fright are they obliged to pay something?

        If you prove that this is for medical reasons, then naturally you can not pay the tax - I don’t see a problem here. People with disabilities confirm their disability, the same thing could be in this situation.
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          And you can not introduce a delusional tax, and the problem will not be even more so. Moreover, many of us have one baby here, “so that it’s”. They turn out to be equal to those who raise the 5th? The head must be turned on sometimes.

          As for disability, you may not be hired for any work, but disability will not really give. How, under such conditions, those who would like children will prove something, but cannot really establish the cause of infertility, this is clearly a song.

          And you can plow back home for 20 years somewhere in Antarctica, so that with the family does not work out.
          1. ccsr 21 May 2020 18: 44 New
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            The head must be turned on sometimes.

            So turn it on and think about how we can stimulate the birth rate so that we do not disappear as a civilization, or disappear among billions of other nations.
            Quote: EvilLion
            And you can not introduce a delusional tax, and the problem will not be even more so.

            Well then, announce that in Soviet times, fools in the government worked, once they came up with this tax. I do not think so.

            Quote: EvilLion
            How, under such conditions, those who would like children will prove something, but cannot really establish the cause of infertility, this is clearly a song.

            Even in Soviet times, the cause of infertility was established, so our medicine should not be considered completely backward.
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      Personally, my opinion is that a tax on childlessness is needed. Moreover, the older, the more it should be.

      Я с вами полностью согласен, хотя не думаю что его надо дифференцировать по возрасту. Раз не хотят иметь детей, так пусть хотя бы отчисляют деньги на помощь многодетным. Думаю это было бы справедливо, тем более что я сам платил такой налог много лет.
  • EvilLion 21 May 2020 09: 00 New
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    In order for the pension to be large, and the retirement age to be small, you need 2 conditions:
    1) A large number of young people.
    2) High labor productivity.

    If this is not the case, then you can protest, resent, blame the authorities, but this is the same as swearing at a volcano.

    For some time there were many young people in the USSR, although the birth rate in Russian industrial regions began to decline already in the 60s. Due to the low start effect, labor productivity grew rapidly, and in principle, by the 80s it had reached a level where further growth was very difficult, almost everything was mechanized. Accordingly, the pension could grow from near-zero values ​​inherited from tsarist times, to something significant. In addition, the effect arises that if labor productivity increases too much, then people who are being freed have nowhere to add, because production is no longer needed. And if it were, let’s say that for 100 people of working age, 60% worked in production, then 50% will work, maybe 40% and even 30%, with the same output limited by consumption. The rest will work in stores, someone may be able to cut games for mobile phones, or live on Don-Tube donations, that is, do not create any material product.
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    Now about the most interesting. No Pension Fund in the USSR did not exist. Generally. Funds were transferred by enterprises and organizations directly to the state budget, from where they were then paid to pensioners.


    And rightly so, any pension fund is essentially a pyramid, and the preservation of accumulations, when the life span of states is comparable to the life span of people, is a very dubious issue.
  • Old26 23 May 2020 17: 59 New
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    So turn it on and think about how we can stimulate the birth rate so that we do not disappear as a civilization, or disappear among billions of other nations.

    It is necessary to stimulate not with a tax on childlessness, but with high salaries. The opportunity to have your own home. So that the question does not arise, but will I feed the second (third, fourth) child.

    Quote: ccsr
    Well then, announce that in Soviet times, fools in the government worked, once they came up with this tax. I do not think so.

    But in vain, comrade. It’s hard to call them smart. The USSR came out of the war with huge losses. Not only was the population declining, so was the skew. According to the 1959 census, there were 18,4 million fewer men in fact than women. Remember the song "For 10 girls according to statistics of 9 guys." Do not jump over your head.
    And now even worse. It was in Soviet times that you completed your studies at a university and knew that you would have a job. Now sometimes up to 25% of youth are without work. An experienced worker is required, but where can I get it? That is, again, some of this category do not acquire families (or sit on the neck of their parents). So it turns out: there are no incomes, a family or with one child or did not work out at all. Plus, some time ago (in the 90s), a sharp increase in mortality from alcohol. Etc. Such a problem requires a solution, and not a momentary, one-time, but regular one for years and decades. But it’s easier to introduce a tax on childlessness ...
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    They forgot that retirement in different enterprises was different. The total was at 60 for men and 55 for women. In enterprises with harmful working conditions, men retired at 55 with a total work experience of 17,5 years at this enterprise, women at 50 with a total work experience of 15 years. Pension was 50% of the salary, and the salary was large. The miners had their retirement depending on the working conditions.
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    Yes - bottom level!
    Fortune telling article. Comments, the grandmother had a pension of 12 rubles, but I don’t remember until the denomination or not. Well, if before, then it is very small, then after. Well, the memory of the people, how can you forget everything ??? My grandmother has a pension before denomination was 9 rubles. She was the only one to receive a pension for special services to several dozen villages. The ticket to the district center to receive a pension was 12 rubles. She refused her with the words yes choke it yourself