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Pensions in the USSR: to whom, how much, from what time

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Pensions in the USSR: to whom, how much, from what time

The pension issue that has recently become very painful and relevant for our country is often discussed by people who, let's say, are not too knowledgeable in stories this issue, and therefore, those who undertake to claim that the USSR was a real paradise for pensioners. Some, however, go to the other extreme, trying to present Soviet social payments as meager and almost miserable. To find out the truth, it is necessary to take a historical excursion, relying not on emotions, but solely on figures and facts.


Let's start with the origins. Moreover, some "experts" undertake to assert: in 1917, the Bolsheviks broke and abolished the excellent pension system that supposedly existed in the Russian Empire. Yes, in tsarist Russia, as of 1914, there were certain categories of citizens who could count on state-guaranteed old age, not even when they reached a certain age, but when they needed the necessary length of service. However, what were these categories? Officials, officers, gendarmes - first of all, service people. Also, teachers, doctors, engineers, and even workers, but who worked exclusively at state (state) enterprises and institutions, could earn a pension. All the rest - both the proletarians who worked hard on the private trader and the peasants (up to 90% of the country's population), were not supposed to.

With the coming to power of the Bolsheviks, all royal payments were indeed abolished. It is clear that the young Land of Soviets, which barely scrambled out of the devastating Civil War, hunger strikes and epidemics, did not have sufficient funds to create a comprehensive social security system. Nevertheless, the first steps in this direction began to be taken at the initiative of Lenin. In 1918, pensions appeared for fighters of the Red Army who remained disabled, in 1923 they began to receive party members with particularly great experience and merits. Most of these people had years of prison and hard labor imprisonment behind them, the same Civil ... Yes, and they did not heal in the world - the average life expectancy of men in the USSR at that time was 40-45 years.

Unfortunately, the myth that Khrushchev gave pensions to Soviet people is extremely tenacious. No. The first "Regulation on pensions and social security benefits" was adopted in the country in 1930, that is, under Comrade Stalin. Yes, the payments were not large and were not given to everyone: initially they were received by former employees of key industries: mining, electric, transport. Subsequently, by 1937, the pension system was extended to all workers and employees. Also, which is very important, in 1932 a single retirement age was established - 60 years for men and 55 for women. At that time, it was the lowest pension plan in the world. In other countries, old-age pension was paid to people who have reached more advanced years - if at all paid.

Stalin is usually blamed for two things: the amount of social payments is too low (they say, a student received 130 rubles of scholarships, and a disabled person of the 1st group received only 65) and because he did not take care of pensions for the villagers. Let us clarify: at that time, collective farms and agricultural cooperatives were obliged to ensure the old age of their members who lost their ability to work. But on their own, from their own funds, they themselves establish both the size of the content and the age at which it began to be paid (or issued in kind). Thus, two things were stimulated: the desire of rural workers to increase labor efficiency (so that the elderly did not starve) and the transition of a certain part of them to work in industry, which was in dire need of personnel. As for the size of the scholarships, the rapidly developing country before the cutoff needed competent people. Hence the bias in favor of students and students.

Pensions to farmers allegedly gave Nikita Khrushchev. Here, too, is not so simple and straightforward. Yes, the USSR law "On state pensions" was adopted on July 14, 1956, that is, in his time. However, as for the village workers ... They Nikita Sergeyevich with his characteristic "generosity" measured ... 12 rubles each, completely regardless of the length of service and achievements! That made him so happy. And at the same time, let's not forget, Khrushchev actually deprived the same villagers of household farms, due to which most of the elderly in the villages survived.

Be that as it may, since 1956 all citizens of the USSR, even those who did not have the required length of service, had the right to a state pension. True, they were supposed to receive a minimum allowance of 35 rubles. The rest, having completed their deadlines (he remained the same) and had sufficient experience (20 years - women, 25 - men) could count on the amount of half their own salary for any five-year labor or the last two years. But again, no more than 120 rubles a month. The maximum were the so-called personal pensions, however, and their size could not exceed 300 rubles.

Now about the most interesting. No Pension Fund in the USSR did not exist. Generally. Funds were transferred by enterprises and organizations directly to the state budget, from where they were then paid to pensioners. Moreover, these contributions were not deducted from the salaries of employees, but were paid directly from the funds of the enterprise or organization - in accordance with the number of workers. In a socialist state, all sorts of intermediary organizations like PF were simply not needed by anyone, it itself ensured the old age of its own citizens.

Were Soviet pensions small or sufficient for a normal life? This is a topic for a separate and difficult discussion. Everyone who lived at that time can simply turn to their own experience and what they saw and heard themselves. Personally, in my Soviet childhood and youth, I don’t somehow recall the old people asking alms.
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  1. CTABEP
    CTABEP 19 May 2020 18: 05 New
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    This is all good, but what does the topic of pensions have to do with Military Review?
    1. alone
      alone 19 May 2020 18: 10 New
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      Quote: CTABEP
      This is all good, but what does the topic of pensions have to do with Military Review?

      laughing Maybe they decided to send us all in one fell swoop to retire?)))) wassat
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 19 May 2020 18: 18 New
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        Be that as it may, since 1956 all citizens of the USSR, even those who did not have the required length of service, had the right to a state pension. True, they were supposed to receive a minimum allowance of 35 rubles.

        The author clearly forgot about the exchange of money in 1961. Maybe the allowance of 35 rubles was after the denomination?
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 19 May 2020 18: 22 New
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          Quote: SRC P-15
          Be that as it may, since 1956 all citizens of the USSR, even those who did not have the required length of service, had the right to a state pension. True, they were supposed to receive a minimum allowance of 35 rubles.

          The author clearly forgot about the exchange of money in 1961. Maybe the allowance of 35 rubles was after the denomination?

          most likely it is.
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 19 May 2020 18: 26 New
            +9
            Quote: Dead Day
            most likely it is.

            Yes exactly! I still remember how a neighbor received a collective farm pension of 12 rubles. And I was born in 1955.
            1. Grandfather
              Grandfather 19 May 2020 18: 28 New
              +9
              Quote: SRC P-15
              Quote: Dead Day
              most likely it is.

              Yes exactly! I still remember how a neighbor received a collective farm pension of 12 rubles. And I was born in 1955.

              and I have a grandmother: 9 rubles ... I remember exactly, from conversations, I was from the 63rd, but I grew up in the village almost on vacation, because I heard everything, the old people remembered this money, and my mother confirmed it.
              1. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 19 May 2020 18: 42 New
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                Quote: Dead Day
                and I have a grandmother: 9rub ..

                Unfortunately, my grandmother died during the logging war - killed by a fallen tree. At that time, collective farmers were attracted to these logging operations. My mother also participated in this.
              2. Sofievka
                Sofievka 19 May 2020 19: 53 New
                +9
                My grandmother received 12 rubles, in general, an interesting fate, the first marriage with a "new Russian" in 1913, who bought the valley of the Biyuk-Karasu river, there was also a car (Ford -?) Mother and aunt stubbornly said that she did not work for one day, grandfather , this, yes, a Stakhanovite, a foreman-gardener, after the war, even
                I grew lemons, planted the first palmette gardens of the Crimea, I am proud of it (I myself worked as a foreman in the garden for 10 years), my grandfather received 132
        2. tank64rus
          tank64rus 20 May 2020 10: 01 New
          +7
          Yes it was after the denomination. But the pension fund with a bunch of officials and their palaces was not in sight.
    2. EwgenyZ
      EwgenyZ 19 May 2020 18: 37 New
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      Quote: CTABEP
      This is all good, but what does the topic of pensions have to do with Military Review?

      Nothing, soon this question will disappear "automatically". "People's Choice" Vyacheslav Volodin said that state pensions as such could be abolished in Russia.
    3. ccsr
      ccsr 19 May 2020 19: 15 New
      +6
      Quote: CTABEP
      This is all good, but what does the topic of pensions have to do with Military Review?

      The most direct thing - all Soviet officers paid income tax and childlessness tax (those who did not have children), so that from their decent salaries the state received money in the budget to pay pensions. True, in the eighties, the tax on childlessness was canceled, but income remained. Although to be honest, I never understood why it was generally necessary to introduce a tax for military personnel if it would be easier for them to reduce salaries and not to engage in recounts, especially since there were no computers in the troops, and financiers manually compiled statements.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 19 May 2020 20: 30 New
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        True, in the eighties, the childless tax was canceled,
        Since 1 July 1990, the tax rate has been reduced for those whose earnings were less than 150 rubles.
        Since 1 January 1992, it was planned to abolish levying taxes on men who are married and do not have children.
        From January 1, 1993, it was planned to stop collecting it from bachelors, that is, the childless tax should have been completely abolished. In fact, the tax was abolished on January 1, 1992 with the collapse of the USSR.
      2. Hagen
        Hagen 19 May 2020 20: 37 New
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        Quote: ccsr
        True, in the eighties, the tax on childlessness was canceled, but income remained.

        As far as I remember, the income tax was when I served in the Arctic, in the middle lane I did not pay.
    4. Altona
      Altona 19 May 2020 20: 45 New
      +6
      Quote: CTABEP
      This is all good, but what does the topic of pensions have to do with Military Review?

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      The most direct. There are many military pence sitting here, not seeing life beyond the television and believing that with the fall of the oligarchic regime their passive income will fall.
    5. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 19 May 2020 23: 38 New
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      Quote: CTABEP
      This is all good, but what does the topic of pensions have to do with Military Review?

      I'll explain to you! Society consists of many components, including from the military, which is entirely on the maintenance of society and, taking an oath to this society, should be in the service of that very society!
      1. Altona
        Altona 20 May 2020 07: 13 New
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        Quote: Stroporez
        taking an oath to this society, must be in the service of that very society!

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        Those who join the military for early retirement and social benefits are willing to join the ranks of fascists and minions of capital. They convert their infantilism into warlike philistinism, which, as the Strugatsky wrote, is a halt in development.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 20 May 2020 09: 20 New
          +8
          Those who go to the military for early retirement and social benefits are willing to join the ranks of the fascists and minions of capital

          I didn’t see anyone, when at 17 years old someone went to the paratroopers, for example, or submariners, was eager for the pension war in Afghanistan request
          Social benefits are also not a permanent issue. Under the USSR, military compensation for housing was not. With a salary of 200 rubles, they paid 5 for an apartment, and no one would have noticed benefits of 2,50. In new Russia, benefits compensated for low wages, and since 2012, they have generally been largely canceled.
          By the way, conscript soldiers who were promised early retirement in Afghanistan did not wait for their benefits. Leave on a common basis. Only in Ukraine while such a benefit has remained, there they retire at the age of 55.
          1. Altona
            Altona 20 May 2020 10: 16 New
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            Quote: glory1974
            I didn’t see anyone, when at 17 years old someone went to the paratroopers, for example, or submariners, was eager for the pension war in Afghanistan

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            And besides paratroopers and submariners, there are no more military men? There are military quartermasters, there are all kinds of signalmen, there are motorists, there are political officers, all kinds of supply and welfare services, in general, cabinet and semi-cabinet workers. I have a lot of acquaintances military, ministry of justice, KGB and cop pensioners. And since I have known many people since childhood and knew the character of their mothers, I probably don't just say so. I'm not saying that the military has a simple job, but the military has a very early retirement in comparison with the same civilian, who is now 65 years old and no factory gives him an apartment and he humps like hell in a foundry, in the Metrostroy mine, at the machine, in the cab of the truck, but anywhere. And probably the same civilian is "pleased" when jobs disappear at the speed of "17 Machs." And the same civilian feeds the policemen who beat him and the army, which for some kind of fig on the "distant approaches".
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 20 May 2020 10: 57 New
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              Quote: Altona
              the same civilian feeds the policemen who beat him and the army, which is behind some kind of fig on the "distant approaches."

              laughing Here is luck to you, come to power, disperse the policemen to hell with the dog, army and heap godfather to the king, matchmaker to the minister !!!!!!
              1. Altona
                Altona 20 May 2020 11: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: Serg65
                Here is luck to you, come to power, disperse the policemen to hell with the dog, army and heap godfather to the king, matchmaker to the minister !!!!!!

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                Of course, there will be a people's militia and a workers 'and peasants' army. Rather, they should be. And the current ones are ready to shoot at people, reverse selection does not work for nothing. Everything has long come to the point that we will again have recruits and officers.
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 20 May 2020 11: 42 New
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                  Quote: Altona
                  And the current ones are ready to shoot people

                  The worker-peasant did not shoot at the people?
                  Quote: Altona
                  Everything has long come to the point that we will again have recruits and officers.

                  Yes figs with him, you tell me why your new leader has come over the Communist Party?
                  1. Altona
                    Altona 20 May 2020 12: 42 New
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                    Quote: Serg65
                    Yes figs with him, you tell me why your new leader has come over the Communist Party?

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                    I have no leader. I do not need a king or leader, unlike you.
                    Quote: Serg65
                    The worker-peasant did not shoot at the people?

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                    I did not shoot at the people, although I had to observe the "unauthorized" rallies in Baku in 1988 and it was something. But we were not given any weapons.
                    If you are talking about the year 1962 of Novocherkassk, then I only know what you know, in any case the order was criminal.
                    Third, you are already positioning yourself as an adherent of fascism in your posts, and you are even opposing with some bravado.
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 20 May 2020 13: 20 New
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                      Quote: Altona
                      I didn’t shoot people

                      Well, thank God! And if the party had ordered?
                      Quote: Altona
                      If you are talking about Novocherkassk in 1962, then I only know what you know, in any case the order was criminal

                      Yes, it makes no difference whether criminal or not criminal, the main thing is shooting or not shooting !!!
                      Quote: Altona
                      Third, you are already positioning yourself as a supporter of fascism in your posts

                      Communist Tatra is not your relative? The enemies of the Communists are to blame for everything, you have fascists at every angle .. although you yourself have not gone far from them, trying to please your masters!
                      Quote: Altona
                      oppose with some bravado.

                      What bravado? Or does the truth not fit into your "new" life?
                      Quote: Altona
                      I have no leader

                      what But the left has put an end to Platoshkin?
                      Quote: Altona
                      I do not need a king or leader

                      belay Anarchist?
                      1. Altona
                        Altona 20 May 2020 13: 32 New
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                        Quote: Serg65
                        Well, thank God! And if the party had ordered?

                        Are you trying to cross the CPSU and God? Or do you just have cereal in your head?
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Yes, it makes no difference whether criminal or not criminal, the main thing is shooting or not shooting !!!

                        You and now no matter who swear, if only fed.
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Communist Tatra is not your relative? The enemies of the Communists are to blame for everything, you have fascists at every angle .. although you yourself have not gone far from them, trying to please your masters!

                        What kind of "owners" are we talking about? Or do you see only yourself in the role of owners? And you define relatives by class? This also looks like fascism, and more and more.
                        Quote: Serg65
                        What bravado? Or does the truth not fit into your "new" life?

                        What is my "new" life? You are talking in riddles.
                        Quote: Serg65
                        But the left has put an end to Platoshkin?

                        What does Platoshkin have to do with it? If I watch or read something, do I immediately agree with something?
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Anarchist?

                        In addition to the anarchists, there are still a bunch of trends. You can look on the Internet. Although you "do not care." Who is not with you, he is against you - this is your iron principle.
                      2. Serg65
                        Serg65 20 May 2020 13: 50 New
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                        Quote: Altona
                        Are you trying to cross the CPSU and God?

                        Joseph Vissarionovich in 1942 set the first example.
                        Quote: Altona
                        What "owners" are we talking about, please?

                        Well, at the moment I put Khodorkovsky eye on your movement!
                        Quote: Altona
                        What is my "new" life?

                        About which you dream long moonlit nights.
                        Quote: Altona
                        What does Platoshkin have to do with it?

                        So is he a leader, or not a leader?
                        Quote: Altona
                        He who is not with you is against you

                        Not at all ..... if a person with principles different from me does not want to destroy my country, then I am loyal to him and everything happens only in terms of disputes. And when they try to impose on me what I have already passed and have not been delighted with, I’m really disgusted with me! For example, you ... not some realities, only some fantastic plans, while those who do not share your dreams, then definitely a fascist ... and no dialogue!
                      3. Altona
                        Altona 20 May 2020 14: 06 New
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                        Quote: Serg65
                        Well, at the moment I put Khodorkovsky eye on your movement!

                        What is my movement? You are raving. If I mentioned Platoshkin once or twice, then I don’t need to ascribe it to me.
                        Quote: Serg65
                        About which you dream long moonlit nights.

                        Are you following me? Or are you a voyeur in life?
                        Quote: Serg65
                        So is he a leader, or not a leader?

                        Why are you asking me such questions? Are you definitely not raving?

                        Quote: Serg65

                        Not at all ..... if a person with principles different from me does not want to destroy my country, then I am loyal to him and everything happens only in terms of disputes. And when they try to impose on me what I have already passed and have not been delighted with, I’m really disgusted with me! For example, you ... not some realities, only some fantastic plans, while those who do not share your dreams, then definitely a fascist ... and no dialogue!

                        And where did I "desire the destruction of your country"? In your delirious dreams on moonlit nights? You are strange people. And what does loyalty have to do with it? That is, you feel hatred towards others that you cannot eat? So watch less television hysteria, which has long surpassed Hitler's exaltation. And where am I imposing something on you? It is you who are trying to impose Vlasov patriotism on everyone. As for reality, this is how I really work at the plant, and do real things, and really manage. But all of you are pushing your "oil patriotism". Moreover, you incite hatred. Sit down already. No one you look, so all the dashing couch warrior. Don't know who it belongs to, but your heart hurts.
                2. CSKA
                  CSKA 20 May 2020 13: 54 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Altona
                  If you are talking about the year 1962 of Novocherkassk, then I only know what you know, in any case the order was criminal.

                  And so all the same, the workers and peasants also shot.)
                  Quote: Altona
                  Third, you are already positioning yourself as an adherent of fascism in your posts, and you are even opposing with some bravado.

                  You do not seem to know the meaning of the term "fascism" at all.
                  1. Altona
                    Altona 20 May 2020 14: 10 New
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                    Quote: CSKA
                    And so all the same, the workers and peasants also shot.)

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                    In 1988, in order to stop the real interethnic massacre, she shot. And even the sergeant major of my company Lysak gave a burst over their heads, after which the "Garach Caucasus" immediately calmed down and fell silent. Questions?
                    Quote: CSKA
                    You do not seem to know the meaning of the term "fascism" at all.

                    When people like you throw out unfounded and stupid accusations, passing on to individuals, this is fascism. That I "ate" or "took away" something from you there. Can you prove it? If not, then there is nothing to throw.
                  2. CSKA
                    CSKA 21 May 2020 12: 17 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Altona
                    In 1988, to stop a real ethnic massacre, she shot.

                    And in Novocherkassk, what did they want to stop?
                    Quote: Altona
                    When people like you throw out unfounded and stupid accusations, turning to personalities, this is fascism.

                    What are you talking about? Accusations of what? The fact that you do not know the meaning of the word "fascism" and sculpt it wherever you go? So this is not an accusation, it is a statement of fact. I didn't get personal then, I did it now.
                    Quote: Altona
                    That I "ate" or "took away" something from you there. Can you prove it? If not, then there is nothing to throw.

                    And it dawned on me. Are you buh? What are you talking about? Who has eaten or taken away from you? What do you have to prove? Why are you drunk or what are you talking about? You accused a person of being a supporter of fascism, it is not clear on what basis, while not understanding what fascism is. Nobody is showing you anything. Come to yourself.
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 20 May 2020 11: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Altona
        but the military has a very early retirement compared to the same civilian who is now 65 years old and doesn’t give him an apartment and he humps like a hell in a foundry, in the Metrostroy mine, at the machine, in the wagon’s cab, anywhere .

        Well, what prevented all these civilians from going voluntarily to serve in the army if honey was spread there? I represent our army intellectually, even if every second man in the country decides to associate his fate with the armed forces and makes a statement to the military enlistment office to go to study at the Higher Technical School or on a contract. Lepota ...
        1. Altona
          Altona 20 May 2020 12: 36 New
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          Quote: ccsr
          Well, what prevented all these civilians from going voluntarily to serve in the army if honey was spread there?

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          Medical indications, for example. Or is it a revelation for you? And the army in such an amount is burdensome for the economy, they do not produce anything, but only eat.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 20 May 2020 13: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: Altona
            Medical indications, for example. Or is it a revelation for you?

            And I took this into account - I wrote "every second" especially for you, implying that not all men are fit for military service.
            Quote: Altona
            And the army in such an amount is burdensome for the economy, they do not produce anything, but only eat.

            You apparently didn’t enter - it wasn’t about increasing the army, but that the choice of candidates would be huge, which means that it was possible to select the best in all respects.
            Quote: Altona
            they do not produce anything, but only eat.

            And I have worked in civilian life for almost as long as I served in the army - so it is still unknown why you are eating my bread in the form of my contributions to the Pension Fund for your future retirement. Have you heard anything about consolidating our retirement benefits?
            1. Altona
              Altona 20 May 2020 13: 14 New
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              Quote: ccsr
              And I have worked in civilian life for almost as long as I served in the army - so it is still unknown why you are eating my bread in the form of my deductions for you

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              And what deductions do you make for me if I myself work in a factory and myself deduct? I do not understand. So I do not eat yours, do not ascribe.
              Quote: ccsr

              And I took this into account - I wrote "every second" especially for you, implying that not all men are fit for military service.
              You apparently didn’t enter - it wasn’t about increasing the army, but that the choice of candidates would be huge, which means that it was possible to select the best in all respects.

              It was enormous in the 1980s as well, this "notorious choice" of yours, that in the 1990s crowds of officers rushed into the civilian sector to create cooperatives. So you put your finger to the sky. I also observed this process. As well as the process of burghering the army, when they were shaking over their rations, because a lot of money could no longer be bought. Or how one major racked his head about how to keep two apartments for himself, not renting them out at the former place of service and grabbing them in Minsk. I'm talking about air defense, where there were and are many specialists who could find themselves in the civilian world - programmers, mechanics, electricians and electronics.
              And what's the use of your service, though? Absolutely none. The army did not save the USSR, crawled into "non-politics" and now it does not hurt what dashing warriors, if they are only fit to fight with their own people, and even flaunt it.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 20 May 2020 13: 35 New
                +3
                Quote: Altona
                And what deductions do you make for me if I myself work in a factory and myself deduct? I do not understand.

                Relatively speaking, if you suddenly can’t work and donate funds to the Pension Fund, becoming, God forbid, an invalid with disabilities, then pension payments will be from the funds that I donate.
                Quote: Altona
                that in the 1990s, crowds of officers rushed into the civilian sector, creating cooperatives.

                Firstly, many of the Nakhs left, not of their own free will, but to reduce the armed forces. Secondly, I know some who served for 15-18-19 years, who left the army and did not receive any pension. Thirdly, at that time they began not to pay salaries to servicemen, and many simply left the army just to feed their families — I knew such people.
                Quote: Altona
                This process I also observed.

                It is a pity that it is not from the inside - then there would be other assessments of what was happening.
                Quote: Altona
                And is there any sense in your service?

                Ask the heads of other states - why don't they consider it necessary to abandon the armies?
                Quote: Altona
                The army did not save the USSR, crawled into "non-politics" and now it does not hurt what dashing warriors, if they are only fit to fight with their own people, and even flaunt it.

                So you yourself wanted to live under capitalism - what does the army have to do with it? Was she supposed to destroy all those who shouted "Down with the KPSS" at that time? So I am not flaunting anything - I am even to some extent satisfied that the popular wisdom has been fully confirmed - "The law is not written for fools," so reap what you chose in 1991. But do not attribute to the professional military that they wanted to destroy the Soviet regime - this is not their doing.
                1. Altona
                  Altona 20 May 2020 14: 17 New
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                  Quote: ccsr
                  It is a pity that it is not from the inside - then there would be other assessments of what was happening.

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                  How could it be from the inside if I went through an emergency?
                  Quote: ccsr
                  So you yourself wanted to live under capitalism - what does the army have to do with it? Was she supposed to destroy all those who shouted "Down with the KPSS" at that time?

                  Did I sign agreements in Malta too?
                  Quote: ccsr

                  Relatively speaking, if you suddenly can’t work and donate funds to the Pension Fund, becoming, God forbid, an invalid with disabilities, then pension payments will be from the funds that I donate.

                  Are you only expelling me? But I don’t deduct for you? Or do you deduct for the whole country? Is your surname Miller or Sechin?
                  Quote: ccsr
                  So I am not flaunting anything - I am even to some extent satisfied that the popular wisdom has been fully confirmed - "The law is not written for fools," so reap what you chose in 1991. But do not attribute to the professional military that they wanted to destroy the Soviet regime - this is not their doing.

                  They could not characterize themselves with folk wisdom, this is understandable. As for the "professional military", they apparently did not have a Minister of Defense, who was a member of the Politburo and could stop this whistle with a snap of his fingers, at least like Zhukov simply by arresting several people upstairs.
                2. ccsr
                  ccsr 20 May 2020 17: 52 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Altona
                  How could it be from the inside if I went through an emergency?

                  You had a family, teenagers at the time, and rented accommodation?
                  Quote: Altona
                  Did I sign agreements in Malta too?

                  The agreements in Malta did not determine the political structure of the USSR - do not drag this meeting by the ears.
                  Quote: Altona
                  Are you only expelling me?

                  No, for the FIU, and there they decide where to list them.
                  Quote: Altona
                  But I don’t deduct for you?

                  Today you expel, but tomorrow you may not be able to.
                  Quote: Altona
                  they apparently didn’t have a minister of defense, who was a member of the Politburo and could stop this whistle-blow at the click of his fingers, at least like Zhukov by simply arresting several people at the top.

                  And what would it do if the military cannot manage the country's economy? In our history, the military only helped some leaders, for which, incidentally, they themselves often suffered, as did Zhukov. Yes, and Yazov was not the person who would enjoy authority in the army - this is not Malinovsky or Grechko.
      3. Malyuta
        Malyuta 20 May 2020 23: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: ccsr
        Well, what prevented all these civilians from going voluntarily to serve in the army if honey was spread there?

        I am very sorry hi but if everyone would go to the officers, who would then build the national economy of the country?
        PySy. Officer, this is not only a beautiful uniform with epaulettes.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 21 May 2020 13: 42 New
          0
          Quote: Malyuta
          but if everyone went to officers, then who would build the national economy of the country?

          Those who would be denied admission to the university because of poor knowledge or lack of physical fitness. You apparently are not considering the very formulation of the question, but it was all about the fact that in the USSR all men had the right to become an officer, there would be a desire. And so many soldiers were persuaded to go to military schools to study, and I, including, only could not persuade. Apparently having served a little and understanding what kind of service, they immediately understood everything and chose their other life path.
          Quote: Malyuta
          PySy. Officer, this is not only a beautiful uniform with epaulettes.

          In my time it was plowing, although to be honest I didn’t have the most difficult share, just because of the specifics of the service.
    6. Glory1974
      Glory1974 20 May 2020 14: 47 New
      +3
      There are military commissaries, there are all kinds of signalmen, there are motorists, there are political leaders, all kinds of supply and allowance services, in general, cabinet and semi-cabinet workers.

      Of course I have. But you show me a young man who goes to a military school to then sit in a warehouse and poke food from dry rations. If there were such, then they were only taught by the older generation and dragged to bread positions by them. But this is also characteristic of the civilian, how do the military differ from others? But at the same time, a military man, wherever he goes to serve, is obliged to comply with all the charters and laws, and if ordered to go and die for his homeland.
      but the military has a very early retirement in comparison with the same civilian who is now 65 years old and does not give him any apartment and he is hunching like hell

      The military has a well-deserved retirement.
      The civilians of 65 are overkill, I agree. But we must fight for a decrease in the civilian retirement age, not an increase in the military. In addition to the military, doctors, teachers, and workers in hazardous industries are retiring early. Do they also need to increase their retirement age?
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 20 May 2020 07: 35 New
    +7
    Everyone who worked in production in the USSR, upon retirement received a pension in the amount of the average salary for the last year of work, therefore, they always tried before transferring to retirement to transfer a person to work with the highest possible salary. To the question of salaries: the salary of an engineer is 130 rubles. + quarterly bonus, called progression - progress, senior / leading engineer (depending on where you work) - 150 rubles. + progress. The size of progression depended on where you work: if at the institute, then - 8%, if at SKB - 25%, at the factory there were other bonuses. The main thing is a pension, working on collective farms was equal to the average salary. By the way, the cleaning lady’s salary was 75 rubles, she could work in 2 places, and everywhere she received 75 rubles, but only 75 rubles went into retirement. from the main job. The cook received 50 rubles., Overproduction in the dining room - 70 rubles., But they were not offended, because stole products. A roommate who worked on a collective farm received a pension of 2,5 rubles. - 2 rub. 50 kopecks Of these, I paid 1,2 rubles per room. + electricity - a penny, there was no charge for water, but still. She lived only because her daughters helped.
    What did it cost? A reserved seat train from Moscow to the Crimea cost 20 rubles., There and back - 40 rubles. But you could relax in the sanatorium of the Crimea, the Caucasus, Zheleznovodsk, etc. on the ticket of the union, which cost no more than 12 rubles. for the whole vacation - a month with food, accommodation, treatment.
  • knn54
    knn54 19 May 2020 18: 23 New
    -6
    The level of salaries and pensions of officers of the USSR Armed Forces among the armies of socialist countries was in the penultimate place, before the Romanians. Ie lower than that of Albanians.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 19 May 2020 18: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: knn54
      The level of salaries and pensions of officers of the USSR Armed Forces among the armies of socialist countries was in the penultimate place, before the Romanians. Ie lower than that of Albanians.

      Do we have economies, territories and populations similar? what is there to compare? ... fucking fucking country ... the country is a drug dealer and an arms dealer, with whom is our area.
      1. knn54
        knn54 19 May 2020 19: 44 New
        +3
        1. Grandfather, talk about the USSR.
        And in Albania (I managed to catch the last graduations of their cadets in Poltava) under Enver Hoxha, the order was "Stalinist".
        In the Air Force, the aircraft had a captain on the ceiling. Next, major, engineer of the regiment. But only with higher education. And in Leningrad (Budennyi Communications Academy) he had to communicate with a simple aircraft engineer with the rank of lieutenant colonel. He had a pilot with the rank of captain. Just a length of service .And the pension will be appropriate.
        2.About the Zoo.
        You are no longer a raccoon, but not a crocodile yet.
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 19 May 2020 18: 37 New
      +9
      Quote: knn54
      The level of salaries and pensions of officers of the USSR Armed Forces among the armies of socialist countries was in the penultimate place, before the Romanians. Ie lower than that of Albanians.

      can now answer why the cost of living for a day, in humans, is less than that of a beast in a zoo?
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 19 May 2020 18: 55 New
        -11
        But let the respected author explain the question you raised in the next article. But, actually, I join the opinion that articles of this nature are completely inconsistent with the subject of the site.
        1. for
          for 19 May 2020 19: 56 New
          +9
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          do not correspond to the subject of the site.

          Very many go to the sun because of PENSIONS, or rather one of the factors.
          Many civilian topics are somehow related to the military.
      2. Hagen
        Hagen 19 May 2020 20: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: Dead Day
        why is the cost of living for a day, in humans, less than in animals in a zoo?

        Animals are also different. Other and 7-10 kg of meat per day is not enough ...
      3. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 May 2020 21: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: Dead Day
        Quote: knn54
        The level of salaries and pensions of officers of the USSR Armed Forces among the armies of socialist countries was in the penultimate place, before the Romanians. Ie lower than that of Albanians.

        can now answer why the cost of living for a day, in humans, is less than that of a beast in a zoo?

        With this Raccoon, two more zoo workers feed !!! wink
    3. rusich
      rusich 19 May 2020 19: 41 New
      +2
      Do not whistle on the ears. In the USSR, the military received one of the largest pensions in the country, which was comparable to payments for civil servants and party members. The size of the collateral was affected by the rank of the recipient. For example:
      an ordinary officer received about 250 rubles a month;
      Higher military personnel were assigned from 300 to 500 rubles.
      1. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 19 May 2020 19: 54 New
        +6
        Pension in those days was calculated from salary + title and depended on the length of service, but not more than 240 rubles. With a length of service of 20 years - 50%, for each year over that 5% plus, with a length of service of 25 years - 75%, for each subsequent year the interest was added, but not more than 85% and not more than 240 rubles.
        1. dedusik
          dedusik 19 May 2020 23: 17 New
          +4
          Well, not 20 years, but 25.
          USSR Council of Ministers
          DECISION
          dated May 30, 1985 N 493

          6. The right to a pension for seniority is granted to persons in command and rank and file who have 25 years or more of seniority on the day of dismissal from service.

          7. Long-service pensions are calculated in the following amounts:

          a) to persons of commanding officers and rank-and-file personnel with 25 years of service (except for those specified in subparagraph "b" of this paragraph) - 50 percent of salaries and for each year of service over 25 years - 3 percent of salaries, but not more than 75 percent of salary pay;
          b) persons of middle, senior and senior command staff with a length of service of 25 years, discharged by the reserve by age or illness and reached 55 on the day of dismissal or dismissed, - 60 percent of salaries and for each year of service in excess of 25 years - 3 percent of salaries, but not more than 75 percent of salaries.

          Plus interest for length of service and plus 60 rubles for sales
          1. Andrey NM
            Andrey NM 20 May 2020 10: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: dedusik
            Plus interest for length of service and plus 60 rubles for sales

            To be honest, I began to forget that many years have passed. The ration was 40 rubles, the ration money was issued in the form of 100. I remembered it because there was an incomprehensible deficit with these forms. In the 80s, there were no financiers at the submarine where I served, and even now they probably do not exist, and someone has to pay allowance for the crew, draw up statements, count the length of service, etc. In our carriage, they usually chose some young officer and "hung" this "honorable" additional load on him. There was one joy - you had an insert that gave you the right to walk through all kinds of checkpoints during working hours. They hung this case on me. I have been doing this for 4 years. No one gave discounts on additional duties, they were completely fought for personnel and iron. My predecessor handed me the papers, a box of books, crossed himself and exhaled with relief :). Then it was allowed to fill in the sheets only by hand, although there were no computers either. More precisely, there were beginnings in the form of "Spectrum" and "electronics". Here I had one, assembled on my knee, the MS-6313 printer and the floppy drive (!). I then wrote a simple program to calculate the salary and length of service in basic.
            All these calculations were regulated by the order of the Moscow Region. I remember the record of service. In peacetime, the crew - 1 month and a half, for ships with a physical start-up of the reactor - 1 month in two. Kamchatka - 1 month in two. There were some islands in the north where there was 1 month in three (which surprised me), but at least kill me, I forgot the name. For military operations - 1 day for three, in the penal battalion - 1 day for six (this is the management team). And the pilots in peacetime had 1 month in 2, subject to an annual raid of at least 40 hours. The junior officers could retire at 40 years of age with at least 20 years of service in preferential terms, senior officers at 45 and older, colonels and senior officers at 50 years old, colonel generals at 55 years old. Well, they could extend it. Quite often, teachers actually retired immediately, especially with a degree. For health - regardless of length of service, immediately 85%. So we quit one. But there had to be a medical board decision, etc.
            1. dedusik
              dedusik 20 May 2020 10: 48 New
              +1
              The grandfather, though old, but remembers everything, as they say, in old age, a good memory returns, and the current one disappears laughing
              Quote: Andrey NM
              For health - regardless of length of service, immediately 85%.

              This is if they were fired with the second disability group.
              It was easier for us, FINO was considered for us, and everything else can be read in this Resolution and in the Resolution on the performance of service of March 18, 1985 N 240
              1. Andrey NM
                Andrey NM 20 May 2020 20: 41 New
                0
                Quote: dedusik
                Grandfather, though old, but remembers everything ...

                Yes, you need to refresh your memory :). It was just then, like my predecessor, when he was handed over to a young lieutenant, he crossed himself, exhaled and forgot. :) But now I remember when, after autonomy, a monetary allowance for more than 140 people for 3 months (sanatorium and vacation allowance) in a simple bag on a regular bus from Olenya Guba to Gadzhievo dragged, and even with "bonds". There, even before the road from the village to stomp, it was necessary to stomp 3 km, but wait for this bus ... It was a merry time.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 19 May 2020 20: 25 New
        +7
        Quote: rusich
        an ordinary officer received about 250 rubles a month

        And any civilian received 120 rubles. and if he worked at one enterprise for 25 years, then 135 rubles. and it didn’t depend on what salary you received before retirement. So the military cannot be offended.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 19 May 2020 20: 56 New
          +4
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: rusich
          an ordinary officer received about 250 rubles a month

          And any civilian received 120 rubles. and if he worked at one enterprise for 25 years, then 135 rubles. and it didn’t depend on what salary you received before retirement.

          Pensions were normal. A flight from Syktyvkar to Mine of Water with a stopover in Yoshkar-Ola cost 48 rubles (in 1984-1988). There back - 96 rubles. Accordingly, there were 24 rubles (at 120) and 39 (at 135). In principle, a Soviet pensioner, on one of his own pension, could hit the road to the Mine of Water, "hang out" there for 4-5 days and come back. Where can a Russian pensioner go for one pension today? winked
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 21: 09 New
            +6
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Where today, on one pension, the Russian pensioner can hit the road?

            To the credit department of the bank. laughing
          2. your1970
            your1970 21 May 2020 10: 18 New
            -1
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            In principle, a Soviet pensioner, on one of his own pension, could hit the road to the Mine of Water, "hang out" there for 4-5 days and come back.
            -In principle, I could ... only for some reason not dangled ...
            I do not remember a single pensioner from the three neighboring streets (and there were many who received an increased pension for the war) who went to resorts - and I would definitely remember that .... this is an event for the whole street (level "Love and Doves" !! !) in a small village
            In the region in the sanatorium went on treatment for trips (my grandfather also went), it was ....
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 21 May 2020 12: 18 New
              -1
              Quote: your1970
              -In principle, I could ... only for some reason I did not dangle ...
              I’m from three neighboring streets not a single pensioner (and there were many who received increased pension for the war) who went to resorts

              I think so, whoever needed it, they dangled. Agree, the geography of the USSR was not limited to three streets and the possibilities of the residents living in your neighborhood.
              1. your1970
                your1970 21 May 2020 14: 21 New
                -1
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                Quote: your1970
                -In principle, I could ... only for some reason I did not dangle ...
                I’m from three neighboring streets not a single pensioner (and there were many who received increased pension for the war) who went to resorts

                I think so, whoever needed it, they dangled. Agree, the geography of the USSR was not limited to three streets and the possibilities of the residents living in your neighborhood.

                out of harm, now talking to my mother (she was a doctor all her life), I asked her about trips to the sanatoriums of average pensioners in our area. She didn’t remember a single one who would go to the south ... here in the sanatorium local veterans of the war went for treatment according to vouchers and regularly prepared documents a lot .....
                Well, who drove then - it can be clearly seen in Soviet films. Either voucher workers, or responsible workers (like Gurchenko in "Love and Doves"), or hucksters of all stripes ("those who needed") ...
                senior citizens - not seen ...
                They traveled abroad from us - to Bulgaria and Cuba, the millionaire pre-collective farm even sailed around Europe, went to the resorts too many people - but she didn’t remember the pensioners ..

                And yes - a village of 32 - this is quite a stat sample
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 21 May 2020 17: 05 New
                  0
                  Quote: your1970
                  out of harm, now talking to my mother (she was a doctor all her life), I asked her about trips to sanatoriums of average pensioners in our region. She didn’t remember a single one who would go to the south ... local war veterans went to sanatoriums for treatment a lot of regular paperwork .....
                  Well, who went then - it is quite clear from Soviet films. Either hard workers on vouchers, or responsible workers (like Gurchenko in "Love and Doves"), or hucksters of all stripes ("those who needed") ...
                  senior citizens - not seen ...
                  And yes - a village of 32 - this is quite a stat sample

                  I agree, I will not argue. Only it’s not about whether pensioners went or didn’t go, but that they could well afford it at a pension of 120-135 rubles.
                  At present, with a national average pension of 15 thousand rubles, few retirees can afford to leave the region, especially after paying for housing and communal services and buying the necessary set of medicines. hi
        2. Sklendarka
          Sklendarka 19 May 2020 21: 56 New
          +5
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: rusich
          an ordinary officer received about 250 rubles a month

          And any civilian received 120 rubles. and if he worked at one enterprise for 25 years, then 135 rubles. and it didn’t depend on what salary you received before retirement. So the military cannot be offended.

          132 rubles (120 + 10%) and not a penny more ....
          1. dedusik
            dedusik 19 May 2020 23: 28 New
            0
            But how can I say, my mother-in-law, a therapist, received 165 rubles, and my father-in-law, a war veteran, received 178 rubles, then they started to raise him great
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 20 May 2020 12: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: Skalendarka
            132 rubles (120 + 10%) and not a penny more ....

            As for 132 rubles. - for sure. But you forget that in the USSR there were categories of civilian pensioners who could receive bonuses for academic degrees, for special working conditions, for outstanding achievements, up to personal payments for special merits. Therefore, some senior officials and party workers received much more of these restrictions upon retirement.
            1. Sklendarka
              Sklendarka 20 May 2020 13: 08 New
              0
              I'm about mere mortals ...
      3. Doliva63
        Doliva63 19 May 2020 20: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: rusich
        Do not whistle on the ears. In the USSR, the military received one of the largest pensions in the country, which was comparable to payments for civil servants and party members. The size of the collateral was affected by the rank of the recipient. For example:
        an ordinary officer received about 250 rubles a month;
        Higher military personnel were assigned from 300 to 500 rubles.

        The rank and file officer is how? laughing Father, a senior officer, at 32 years of service, received a pension of 205 rubles. - This is taking into account the Second World War.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 20 May 2020 12: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: Doliva63
          Father, a senior officer, at 32 years of service, received a pension of 205 rubles. - This is taking into account the Second World War.

          My being a senior officer, came under the Khrushchev reduction in 1961 and had a calendar of 25 years, and began to receive a pension of 115 rubles. as a participant in the Second World War. And only later he was first raised to 145 rubles, and then in the eighties to 165 rubles.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 20 May 2020 20: 10 New
            0
            Quote: ccsr
            Quote: Doliva63
            Father, a senior officer, at 32 years of service, received a pension of 205 rubles. - This is taking into account the Second World War.

            My being a senior officer, came under the Khrushchev reduction in 1961 and had a calendar of 25 years, and began to receive a pension of 115 rubles. as a participant in the Second World War. And only later he was first raised to 145 rubles, and then in the eighties to 165 rubles.

            A colleague, another 7-8 years of service, would receive as mine. I also had such among my relatives. But whoever left the military representative did not complain.
      4. knn54
        knn54 19 May 2020 21: 45 New
        +1
        1.Rusich. It is necessary to read ATTENTIVELY. Talk about pensions and salaries among military social countries.
        2. The faculty had higher pensions and salaries.
        3. The title is not a fact. Father Lt. Col., was the deputy head of the cycle - at the Central Control Commission. He received 15 rubles more. Than the colonel, a participant in the Second World War, the head of the cycle. Only at the military department, at the university.
        4. In 1993 (after the collapse of the USSR) his pension was the same as that of the cleaning lady of the former regional committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. The truth was before that she was in a "similar position" in the NKVD / KGB.
        And the main thing is to see did not teach strangers not to poke?
      5. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 20 May 2020 00: 18 New
        +5
        For an ordinary member of the party, the pension did not completely differ from the non-party pension.
      6. not main
        not main 20 May 2020 00: 33 New
        0
        Quote: rusich
        an ordinary officer received about 250 rubles a month;

        Sorry, but an ordinary or an officer?
      7. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 20 May 2020 03: 54 New
        0
        Quote: rusich
        which was comparable to payments for civil servants and party members.

        You, at least, insert correct definitions. Not party members, but party workers.
        Quote: tihonmarine
        So the military cannot be offended.

        Indeed, it is a sin to be offended. Only civilians could change their place of work, or even residence. They used the right to an 8-hour working day, received processing allowances, went to polyclinics, and their children studied at schools where teachers worked all their lives, and did not change as they were equipped. You do not compare moving around the city with moving to a new duty station. And this is at a time when household utensils were in short supply. And in some duty stations, even with electricity, not to mention television, there were problems.
        1. your1970
          your1970 21 May 2020 10: 26 New
          -1
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Only civilians could change their place of work, or even residence.
          -zzzz .. problems with registration, haven’t you? forgotten already? when do you need registration for work - do you need work for registration?
          Fictitious wives / husbands, no?
          Here I am wondering, we sat in the air defense area, it received an allowance "for waterlessness", 5 years and left for more civilized lands ...
          and here we (32 population) have been living in this waterlessness all our lives, and no one paid us any bonuses.
          Their gills must have dried up, right? From "waterlessness"?
          And next to that at the same airfield was a helicopter regiment, which, oddly enough, was not paid for "waterlessness" ... in spite of all the complaints to all instances, both under the USSR and later ...
      8. ccsr
        ccsr 20 May 2020 12: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: rusich
        . For example:
        an ordinary officer received about 250 rubles a month;
        Higher military personnel were assigned from 300 to 500 rubles.

        There is no need to lie, because the maximum pension in the USSR in the 80s for lieutenant colonels inclusive was 200 rubles, but as an exception, higher pensions were allowed in some cases. Colonels had a limitation of up to 250 rubles, and only those who stood on forked general posts were given 275 rubles. The generals up to and including the lieutenant general had restrictions of 350 rubles. But there was a system of individual allowances for some military personnel, and they could have had more pensions, but this did not apply to the vast majority of military pensioners.
        By the way, civil pensions in the country then amounted to a maximum of 132 rubles, but many pensioners had individual allowances and they could also receive about 180 - 200 rubles. per month.
    4. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 20: 33 New
      -1
      Quote: knn54
      The level of salaries and pensions of officers of the USSR Armed Forces among the armies of socialist countries was in the penultimate place, before the Romanians. Ie lower than that of Albanians.

      What ... ??? My neighbor was a polkan, so he would have laughed. 230 received. Or 320, I don’t remember.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 20 May 2020 12: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        What ... ??? My neighbor was a polkan, so he would have laughed. 230 received. Or 320, I don’t remember.

        He received 230, because above 250 they could not charge him. Apparently, his salary was not very large, or the length of service was not higher than 30 years.
    5. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 19 May 2020 23: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: knn54
      The level of salaries and pensions of officers of the USSR Armed Forces among the armies of socialist countries was in the penultimate place, before the Romanians. Ie lower than that of Albanians.

      I’m not only ashamed of you, but I’ll tell you for sure that soon the power will change, and you will receive exactly that minimum Putin living wage! and not a penny anymore!
    6. Glory1974
      Glory1974 20 May 2020 09: 25 New
      +3
      The level of salaries and pensions of officers of the USSR Armed Forces among the armies of socialist countries was in the penultimate place, before the Romanians.

      If the USSR had a standard of living as in the GDR, we would have had neither perestroika nor 91 years. We still have not reached this level. (With the exception of some close to)
      The wife of the captain of the GDR army said: "As my husband gets a major, I will stop working, I will stay at home," his salary was enough for the whole family.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 20 May 2020 12: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: glory1974
        The wife of the captain of the GDR army said: "As my husband gets a major, I will stop working, I will stay at home," his salary was enough for the whole family.

        I was acquainted with a German lieutenant colonel on the eve of the reunification of Germany and was in his family. He received about 2500 eastern marks, and his wife, the senior nurse in the clinic, received 2000 marks. For comparison, the minimum salary in the GDR was 600 marks, as a rule, saleswomen in stores started with it, the rest had more. So a major in the NNA could get 2000-2200 marks tentatively, and with that money you could easily live in the GDR at that time, where a pair of good shoes cost 100 marks and a bottle of beer was less than 1 mark. Our Ladas were sold there at a price of 24 thousand marks to 30 thousand, depending on the configuration, so that the annual earnings of the major were enough to buy a car.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 20 May 2020 20: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: ccsr
          Quote: glory1974
          The wife of the captain of the GDR army said: "As my husband gets a major, I will stop working, I will stay at home," his salary was enough for the whole family.

          I was acquainted with a German lieutenant colonel on the eve of the reunification of Germany and was in his family. He received about 2500 eastern marks, and his wife, the senior nurse in the clinic, received 2000 marks. For comparison, the minimum salary in the GDR was 600 marks, as a rule, saleswomen in stores started with it, the rest had more. So a major in the NNA could get 2000-2200 marks tentatively, and with that money you could easily live in the GDR at that time, where a pair of good shoes cost 100 marks and a bottle of beer was less than 1 mark. Our Ladas were sold there at a price of 24 thousand marks to 30 thousand, depending on the configuration, so that the annual earnings of the major were enough to buy a car.

          When we changed 30 rubles for stamps on the "shipment" in Frankfurt, I went into the store and was at a loss - what to choose? And when they just got off the train, the Germans asked for our cigarettes on the platform, especially Java-100 inspired them laughing Here it was so different, my beloved GDR - you won’t throw 9 years out of life.
  • Beringovsky
    Beringovsky 19 May 2020 18: 25 New
    16
    The fact is that at that time the State existed.
    And now, in fact, it is not there, there is a kind of simulacrum created by a parasitic layer that came in the wake of the country's deriban in the 90s. And these people are now in power.
    Their stupidity and helplessness is clearly visible right now, when you need to make informed decisions.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 19 May 2020 18: 34 New
    +7
    interesting and useful article ... everything is compared in comparison ...
  • Red Alert
    Red Alert 19 May 2020 18: 37 New
    -12
    Quote: CTABEP
    This is all good, but what does the topic of pensions have to do with Military Review?

    There are many such articles here https://topwar.ru/171281-golod-v-rossii-v-1929-34-gg.html. What does this article have to do with military review?
  • Strashila
    Strashila 19 May 2020 18: 51 New
    +3
    “But again, no more than 120 rubles a month.”, In 1986, my mother retired at the age of 45 according to the 1st grid, the size of the pension was 132 rubles.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 19 May 2020 19: 28 New
      10
      Quote: Strashila
      The size of the pension is 132 rubles.

      It was a very good pension. I remember in the late 70s I invited a girl from a parallel class to the cinema and I had one ruble in my pocket, no, it’s not so, I had whole ruble, after the movie they ate ice cream, drank juice, then shot at the dash from the air. The ruble at that time had money yes
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 19: 37 New
        12
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        after the movie they ate ice cream, drank juice, then shot at the dash from the air. The ruble at that time had money

        Children's ticket - 10 kopecks, tomato juice - 11 kopecks, bullet - 2 kopecks, ice cream - up to 22 kopecks. crying
        1. ANB
          ANB 19 May 2020 22: 31 New
          +2
          .
          Children's ticket - 10 kopecks, tomato juice - 11 kopecks, bullet - 2 kopecks, ice cream - up to 22 kopecks.


          The ticket for children is 5 kopecks at the collective farm club, tomato juice - 10 kopecks, grape juice 18 kopecks, pulka - 2 kopecks, ice cream - up to 22 kopecks, gray bread 16 kopecks, a loaf of 22 kopecks. A bottle of milk is 15 kopecks, a bottle of lemonade 20. How much milk and lemonade cost.
          1. dedusik
            dedusik 19 May 2020 23: 33 New
            +1
            And do not forget that the cost included returnable packaging smile
            1. ANB
              ANB 20 May 2020 09: 22 New
              +1
              Yes Yes. I therefore wrote the cost of the bottles. Only forgot the full price.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 23: 58 New
            0
            Quote: ANB
            How much was milk and lemonade forgot.

            28 kopecks liter milk. Pinocchio - 32 cents, but a bottle from it - 20 cents.
          3. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 20 May 2020 04: 04 New
            +3
            Quote: ANB
            How much was milk and lemonade forgot.

            Milk 0,5 liters in a glass container - 30 kopecks. Lemonade 0,5 liters in a glass container - 22 kopecks.
            A liter bottle of milk - 50 cents.
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            28 kopecks liter milk. Pinocchio - 32 cents, but a bottle from it - 20 cents.

            A bottle cost 12 kopecks, I don’t remember the price before the 1961 reform. lol
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 04: 45 New
              -1
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Bottle cost 12 kopecks

              12 cents - this is from under the vodka in my opinion, such as the capital. A cheburashka was the most expensive, 20 cents. I lived next to the forest belt, so we have neighbor grandmothers in bottles, as if they were mushrooms. And next to the school was the reception of glass containers. We used to tear a rowan-fish net, steal bottles and hand over there. laughing And once my grandfather scored a full cart of bottles, they drove me, they handed over 24 rubles.
              1. Sofievka
                Sofievka 22 May 2020 07: 07 New
                0
                After a football match at the stadium, empty containers were taken out with bags, the bill went to hundreds of bottles, it was strange that nobody hit their neighbor’s head with them
          4. Altona
            Altona 20 May 2020 08: 02 New
            0
            Quote: ANB
            How much was milk and lemonade forgot.

            ---------------------------------
            Milk is 24 kopecks / liter, lemonade is 12 kopecks, because beer cost 20 kopecks for 0,5 (I remembered lemonade to be tied to beer, I went to the city bath with my father because. laughing ).
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 19 May 2020 23: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: Strashila
      “But again, no more than 120 rubles a month.”, In 1986, my mother retired at the age of 45 according to the 1st grid, the size of the pension was 132 rubles.

      And how much a good color TV, a good refrigerator, a washing machine, a stereo tape recorder cost good, I'm not talking about rags and boots, which is always important for a woman! Yes, food was not expensive, train tickets were not expensive. and air transport ... But pensions for civilians were still very small anyway ... My mother taught her children all her life at school ... Grades 1-4 ... retired at age 55 .. First employment record at sixteen years ... Pension 85 rubles ... My father has 220 rubles. Sailor. True, he died early ... Shifts on the bridge of the ship affected for two days ... Sea, responsibility for the ship ... Under the USSR, no one paid money for nothing!
      1. dedusik
        dedusik 19 May 2020 23: 35 New
        +5
        Good color, not imported, the TV cost about 640-720 rubles
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 19 May 2020 23: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: dedusik
          Good color, not imported, the TV cost about 640-720 rubles

          An electron of the third generation (as it was called then) cost 870 rubles ...... My wife has a young specialist, engineer a salary of 115 rubles ... They lived in an apartment, a small child ... I received 260 ... Now you can buy a good telly on one salary ... Everything flows, everything changes ....
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 00: 57 New
            -4
            Quote: 30 vis
            Now a good telly can be bought for one salary ...

            Go buy a turntable for 11 million.
            1. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 20 May 2020 08: 33 New
              +2
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: 30 vis
              Now a good telly can be bought for one salary ...

              Go buy a turntable for 11 million.

              laughing Go hand over the glass containers! lol And what the hell she needs this pinwheel! Many cars are bought at idiotic prices .. Credits are taken as announced ..... And then they drive garbage to them or go to the store for bread ... They cannot walk three hundred meters ... ... They will soon forget how to walk. It would be better if they healed for this money, or they made their teeth for themselves ... In the end, with my wife and children I rested ...
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 08: 39 New
                +1
                Quote: 30 vis
                or to the store for bread ... They can’t walk three hundred meters

                I agree. As one friend said, he sent his son for bread, he puts on shoes and yells: "Ma, give me the car keys!" Dad on him: "What are you, completely crazy, a hundred meters to the store!" In general, he gave a kick, not keys.
  • Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 19 May 2020 19: 24 New
    13
    Here some, not entirely smart comrades, write what relation the pension topic has to the military review. So. Especially for them: from the insurance (retirement) experience, these bad people (radishes) threw out military service in the SA (Soviet Army). That is, now now those who served as an urgent in the Soviet Army for 2 years can do this service .... sorry for being rude, well, in general, you understand. Congratulations to all demobels of the Soviet Union. Not only did we swear allegiance to a country that was destroyed, but now our two years have been washed out of our retirement experience. You can continue shouting "Urya!" and it is not clear what to admire.
    1. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 19 May 2020 20: 04 New
      10
      Quote: Old Fuck
      You can continue shouting "Urya!" and it is not clear what to admire.

      But nothing? Well, for example, in the top 25 most expensive yachts in the world, 5 pieces belong to citizens of the Russian Federation. Not a reason for pride? Let us have pensions of 150 dollars each, and not everyone will survive to them, far from everyone ... But yachts are envy. You can be enthusiastic. yes
    2. for
      for 19 May 2020 20: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: Old Fuck
      threw out military service in the SA (Soviet Army).

      And I counted 3 years in the Navy. Go to the fund and sort it out. In some years they did not count, then they started.
    3. ANB
      ANB 19 May 2020 22: 33 New
      -1
      . from the insurance (pension) seniority, these bad people (radishes) threw out military service in the SA (Soviet Army).

      And experience has long had virtually no effect on anything. Basis - the amount of contributions paid.
    4. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 19 May 2020 23: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Old Fuck
      Especially for them: from the insurance (retirement) experience these bad people (radishes) threw out military service in the SA (Soviet Army). That is now now those who served the emergency service in the Soviet Army for 2 years can this service .... sorry for being rude, well, in general, you understand. Congratulations to all the demobilization of the Soviet Union.

      Left a year ago ... Two years of service counted ... You shake the air with thunders and stink in vain ...
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 19 May 2020 19: 29 New
    +6
    I was born in 1954. Sclerosis has not yet overcome me.
    In 1964, my grandmother, a primary school teacher with a 32-year experience, retired 59 rubles.
    A little earlier, my grandfather was dismissed from the army in 1948 to reduce (almost 24 years of service) and began his seniority as a construction foreman, retired 74 rubles.
    It was considered good pensions. Salaries in the non-manufacturing sector of the early 70's 62 rubles. 50 kopecks - 65 rubles were not uncommon.
    For the sake of justice, it should be noted that by 1978, my grandmother had raised their pension to 80 rubles, and my grandfather had already received almost 1986 by 120.
    1. knn54
      knn54 19 May 2020 20: 42 New
      0
      Alexander. I, too, since 1954. But my father, lieutenant colonel., With a 32-year length of service in 1983, had a pension of 230 rubles. But your grandfather is also a participant in the war. Strange. Apparently he left with the rank of no higher than captain.
      To receive a military pension (50% of the salary), the length of service must be at least 20 years. Otherwise, alas, "flight".
      From 1969 to 1988 (or even 1990) for a "kopeck piece" with a telephone, I paid about 12 rubles. for three people.
      The engineer has had it since the mid-70s, his pension (length of service of 25 years) was 120 rubles. With the experience of more than 35 years, 132 (+ 10%), almost a maximum.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 May 2020 20: 43 New
      -1
      Quote: A. Privalov
      For the sake of justice, it should be noted that by 1978, my grandmother had raised their pension to 80 rubles, and my grandfather had already received almost 1986 by 120.

      My parents retired in 1979, my father received 120 rubles. mother 110 rub. but they were paid extra by the Smolensk region, and mothers and the Belarusian partisan movement. So it turned out about 140 rubles.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 20: 52 New
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        So it turned out about 140 rubles.

        Very nice even. My mother received cashier 110.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 20 May 2020 08: 32 New
          0
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Very nice even. My mother received cashier 110.

          Mine then added to the war.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 19 May 2020 19: 48 New
    +8
    I'm too young. Discuss the guesthouse of the USSR however.
    I won’t go into the jungle, but (as far as I remember) my grandfather (as long as I was alive), my grandmother (there was a rather modest boarding house) - it was enough to eat, pay for everything, eat (plus treat granddaughters).
    Thus, I have no complaints against the Soviet government in terms of ensuring an adequate standard of living for pensioners.
    The current state of affairs, for a minute, does not inspire the exploits of labor ...
    I could be wrong...
  • Avior
    Avior 19 May 2020 20: 09 New
    +2
    Grandmother who worked on a collective farm, pension 41 rubles, the beginning of the 80s.
    not very big, to be honest.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 19 May 2020 20: 16 New
      -1
      Quote: Avior
      Grandmother who worked on a collective farm, pension 41 rubles, the beginning of the 80s.
      not very big, to be honest.

      I don’t know the sum of pensions of my grandfather and grandmother, but he had enough to buy seven kilos of chicken for the weekend. Plus - checkie. And the grandmother didn’t work at all after the war.
      1. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 19 May 2020 22: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: Avior
        Grandmother who worked on a collective farm, pension 41 rubles, the beginning of the 80s.
        not very big, to be honest.

        I don’t know the sum of pensions of my grandfather and grandmother, but he had enough to buy seven kilos of chicken for the weekend. Plus - checkie. And the grandmother didn’t work at all after the war.

        Chicken 7 kg ?, if not a secret WHERE ????
        1. Gato
          Gato 20 May 2020 00: 38 New
          +3
          Chicken 7 kg?

          She was probably not alone, but with her friends
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 01: 10 New
            -2
            Quote: Gato
            She was probably not alone, but with her friends

            Her friends except in the ass in the form of an egg. What, I can’t believe it? But it was. Let’s burn it on straw, put it into a pan of 20 liters, scent the whole house ...
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 01: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: Skalendarka
          Chicken 7 kg ?, if not a secret WHERE ????

          At the farmer's market. repeat Special weighed. Kilo for seven to eight, plus a pair of eggs in the ass.
          1. Gato
            Gato 20 May 2020 01: 14 New
            +2
            plus a pair of eggs in the ass

            Ah .. Well then, she was not with her friends, but with her husband wink
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 01: 17 New
              -2
              Quote: Gato
              and with her husband

              But the roosters there were dead for some reason. recourse
        3. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 20 May 2020 04: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Skalendarka
          Chicken 7 kg ?, if not a secret WHERE ????

          In the Krasnodar Territory, Art. Dinskaya, in 1977 the first time saw an indocour. These are exactly 7 kg pulled.
      2. Altona
        Altona 20 May 2020 08: 09 New
        0
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        but he had enough to buy a kilo of seven chicken for the weekend.

        ----------------------
        Again. Hungarian broiler chickens weighed about 1,5 kilograms at that time. For today's monsters under 3-plus kg, these are dystrophies. As I joke sometimes: "Before, a chicken ate 4 kg of grains and grew 2 kg in weight, today it eats 2 kg of grains and grows in 4 kg in weight. What mutants do we eat?" laughing
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 08: 16 New
          -2
          Quote: Altona
          As I joke sometimes: "Previously, a chicken ate 4 kg of grains and grew 2 kg in weight, today it eats 2 kg of grains and grows in 4 kg in weight. What mutants do we eat?"

          My uncle came from the Urals, he was surprised: "Uncle Vanya, where do you find such chickens?" Specially weighed, almost 7 kilos. 6,800 with something. Grandfather bought at the market. I don't remember the prices for them.
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 May 2020 21: 57 New
            0
            Vladimir, were those hens exactly? good
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 22: 38 New
              +2
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              Vladimir, were those hens exactly?

              And what is wrong? It was a skinny, bluish cyanosis in the stores, but anything could be found in the market. My grandfather chose the largest, he liked to eat them.
              1. your1970
                your1970 21 May 2020 10: 37 New
                -1
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                Vladimir, were those hens exactly?

                And what is wrong? It was a skinny, bluish cyanosis in the stores, but anything could be found in the market. My grandfather chose the largest, he liked to eat them.

                the blue ones were the age culling from the poultry farms, which, by age, began to rush very little
                But the big ones are - if the factory, then broilers + vitamins of the GDR (in aluminum flasks like thermoses with screw caps) + antibiotics of Czechoslovakia (in glass). "There was no chemistry in the USSR", yeah ...
                Her sister (a veterinarian at a poultry farm) brought such + chickens of thoroughbred broilers to her grandmother, so they really grew big and the case was small ...
                All the neighbors were jealous of their grandmother ...
                1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                  Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 May 2020 21: 50 New
                  0
                  My mother in the 90s, a piglet Sasha (named after her cousin) gave a double horse dose of vitamin D! The dose itself was equine, plus instead of two pigs (there was Slavka - in honor of the second brother), it stuck to one !!! After this happiness, the pig grew in length and breadth. More like a dachshund than a normal boar! But the warbler still grew into a pig of normal pork proportions!
                  And so my uncles came to visit, and mother without complexes - I named pigs in your honor! Uncle Sasha drank three days, and the last day in a nook together with his "eponymous"! The upshot was that mother kicked her brother home with a pig! Aunt Julia was delighted when, after a trinity, on the threshold of a three-room apartment, her husband appeared in pairs with a boar! So in the evening they brought the boar back! The hand didn’t go up to the boar’s uncle !!!
              2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 May 2020 21: 35 New
                +1
                Good evening!
                About joke joked!
                Parents in the 90s kept a subsidiary farm, including broilers. Over the summer, they gained 5-6 kg. To 7 weighed cocks. Turkeys and even more.
                So in Mordovia, chickens are the most mordovorotnye !!! Only no offense - a joke !!!
                Regards, Vlad!
  • reader65
    reader65 19 May 2020 21: 56 New
    +1
    1956 - to retire at age 60, 25 years of service were required and seniority included part-time service in CA and studies.

    2010 - to retire at 60 years of age, 42 years of experience are required, and conscript service and study are not included in the experience.

    Feel the difference gentlemen military.
    1. ANB
      ANB 19 May 2020 22: 37 New
      0
      .
      Feel the difference gentlemen military.

      20 years of experience are enough for the military to retire, regular service is included, studies are included, but after the oath.
    2. reader65
      reader65 19 May 2020 22: 46 New
      -1
      Instead of 2010, read 2020.

      And all this applies to civilians.
    3. Gato
      Gato 20 May 2020 00: 43 New
      +2
      2010 - for retirement at 60 years of age, 42 years of experience are required and full-time service in CA and study in seniority are not included

      Um .. That is, in order to retire at 60, you have to work from the age of 18, but do not serve urgent and do not study anywhere in person?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 01: 06 New
        -2
        Quote: Gato
        That is, to retire at 60, you need to work from the age of 18, but do not serve urgent and do not study anywhere in person?

        Previously, training and the army were part of the experience, if sclerosis does not confuse me.
        1. Gato
          Gato 20 May 2020 01: 12 New
          +5
          Yes, and now it’s included, for sure in Ukraine. True, the pension is such that it is better right away ... that. Apparently, therefore, passive homosexuals from the government decided to meet the people and raised the retirement age.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 01: 15 New
            -1
            Quote: Gato
            Yes, and now it’s included, for sure in Ukraine.

            The army enters, but studying in the techie is gone.
            1. Gato
              Gato 20 May 2020 01: 21 New
              -1
              We enter, after 2004 we only clarified what is not included without interruption from production:
              The seniority for calculating the old age pension includes the time of study in higher and secondary special educational institutions, in schools and courses for training, advanced training and retraining, in graduate school, doctoral studies and clinical residency
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 01: 26 New
                +1
                Quote: Gato
                We enter, after 2004 we only clarified what is not included without interruption from production:

                We have such a good thing that you can go crazy. In general, horseradish you will understand that there is part of the experience, what is not, and how do they consider retirement. And with a glass it’s impossible to understand. crying
                1. Gato
                  Gato 20 May 2020 01: 42 New
                  +2
                  how do they consider retirement. And with a glass I can’t understand

                  That’s yes, we also got a lot of money, so there’s not enough glass - you can’t even meddle in a pension without a liter of cognac. There is an online calculator on the internet for calculating pensions, but he, the bastard, always gives different results, and with the fact that they count in the pension they never coincide at all belay
                2. Nike
                  Nike 20 May 2020 06: 29 New
                  +1
                  With a glass in any way, only with a can.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 06: 32 New
                    +1
                    Quote: nike
                    With a glass in any way, only with a can.

                    Yes, even with a bucket. I’ve tried to understand how pension is calculated, I completely dislocated my brains, but I didn’t understand anything.
            2. reader65
              reader65 20 May 2020 06: 16 New
              +3
              In the Russian Federation, fixed-term service is not included in the length of service for early (at 60) retirement.
              My brother had 60 in February 2020. Experience of 40,5 years. Neither the army nor the vocational schools entered. Even before retirement, 1,5 years.
              I reacted with understand, but with obscenities.
            3. reader65
              reader65 20 May 2020 06: 18 New
              +1
              The Russian Federation fixed-term service for the early (at 60 years) retirement is not included.
              My brother had 60 in February 2020. Experience of 40,5 years. Neither the army nor the vocational schools entered. Even before retirement, 1,5 years.
              I reacted with understand, but with obscenities.
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      4. Ua3qhp
        Ua3qhp 20 May 2020 08: 40 New
        +1
        Almost so, you can serve urgent if you are already working before the call. Then urgent will enter into the experience. If he studied before the call, he won’t enter. Full-time study on any of the experience is not included. Country experts are unnecessary.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 20 May 2020 09: 32 New
          0
          Full-time study on any of the experience is not included.

          A friend retired, so not only full-time studies, but also continuing education courses from production were not counted for him.
          1. Ua3qhp
            Ua3qhp 20 May 2020 13: 31 New
            +1
            This is if the courses are out of production.
            At the end of the 80s, when university students were drafted into the army after the end of the 1-2 year, medical students deducted from the naval forces after deducting 9 years from the experience. 3 years service plus 6 years of university.
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 20 May 2020 14: 24 New
              0
              medical students drafted into the naval crew on deducted 9 years from the experience. 3 years service plus 6 years of university.

              Stunning injustice!
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 19 May 2020 23: 30 New
    0
    As for 9 Ali, there are 12 rubles. I’m not going to lie to pensioners-collective farmers from the state state — in the 1970s, because of the small age, I was not even interested request only I remember VERY well that once a month my grandfather and I went to the warehouse of the collective farm and from there I helped him bring home the "collective farm pension" - they paid all the collective farmers-retirees, by the way hi roughly - a bag of potatoes, a bag of cabbage and a bag of wheat)))
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 20 May 2020 01: 29 New
      +1
      Probably mostly still wheat and (or) rye, oats, barley. There were a lot of potatoes from the infield. I doubt about cabbage. Storage problem. Most collective farms did not deal with cabbage, carrots, and onions, except for suburban ones.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 01: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Sergej1972
        Most collective farms did not deal with cabbage, carrots, and onions, except for suburban ones.

        We went from school to carrots, chopped tops.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 20 May 2020 04: 07 New
          +2
          We went to the state farm beets (they also chopped tops) and potatoes. Plus, my school had a plot, they also worked there. In the 70-80s. on state farms and to a lesser extent on collective farms, there was a specialization in the types of products produced. Those of them, for example, who did not deal specifically with potatoes, carrots and cabbage, grew them in small areas for the needs of their canteens. And so, in the days of the USSR, potatoes, carrots and cabbage were produced more on the plots of collective farmers and workers of state farms, as well as in summer residents, compared with collective farms and state farms. Collective farms and state farms were more concerned with grain crops, sugar beets, industrial crops, and cotton growing in the south. Plus grass was grown for livestock, because livestock was important. Although there were potato, vegetable, and horticultural farms in the suburban areas, but, in my opinion, these were more often state farms, rather than collective farms. But both students and workers and employees of city enterprises regularly went for potatoes. Harvesting potatoes at that time was a laborious and poorly mechanized process. Therefore, even if the potato fields accounted for a smaller part of the cultivated land on the collective farm and state farm, many workers were required. Each collective farm and state farm that did not even specialize in gardening had at least one garden, often still melon. But often collective farm and state farm gardens had no practical significance for the economy. At the state farm, where I lived in childhood, the large apple orchard was completely unprotected, it was more likely to be seen as a resting place, and the locals and visitors quite openly and unselected picked apples in it. No one was punished for this. Plus there were a lot of wild strawberries.) True, the state farm did not deal with it either. Although there were many apples there every year. In many farms there were apiaries, but sometimes they existed as if in offline mode. The kolkhoz and sovkhoz authorities did not particularly go into the affairs of the beekeeper, and he himself worked both on the farm and in his own pocket.) As I understand it, often these apiaries were created for better pollination of crops, and the task of producing honey was not the most important. One gets the feeling that they did not have a plan for the production of honey. Though. I won’t lie, I don’t know for sure.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 04: 28 New
            0
            Quote: Sergej1972
            We went to the state farm beets (they also chopped tops) and potatoes.

            We dangled on potatoes, on beets, on carrots, on apples, oats tossed and turned, cowsheds scoured, radishes sprinkled ... It was especially boring when we arrived at the farm for potatoes, where my dad picked it out on DT, and we collected it. Here is the teacher where he tapped me. And so I and this, and lazy, and nasty ... crying And after a week of picking, he couldn’t look at apples after six months; they collected fifty buckets per shift.
            1. Altona
              Altona 20 May 2020 08: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              We dangled on potatoes, on beets, on carrots, on apples, oats tossed and turned, cowsheds were scrubbed, weed was sprinkled ...

              ------------------
              From the 7th grade, I went to the collective farm for my parents in the summer to stir up and weed hay, in addition to school work, that is, practice. Mother was an accountant, she had a lot of work, to bring the balance sheet and write reports. My father also had no time, so in the morning I walked to the factory bus with the inscription "collective farm", and with timekeepers, process technicians and design engineers went to the fields and meadows. All in all, it was fun.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 20 May 2020 08: 32 New
                +1
                Quote: Altona
                My father also had no time, so in the morning I walked to the factory bus with the inscription "collective farm", and with timekeepers, process technicians and design engineers went to the fields and meadows. All in all, it was fun.

                My dad drove from the enterprise as a machine operator, and we from the school, starting from the second grade. On beets, everyone was armed with ax knives. I had a cleaver half a meter, the uncle did, chopped tops.
                1. Sofievka
                  Sofievka 22 May 2020 09: 11 New
                  +1
                  In Crimea it was more interesting, they started with radishes, smoothly switched to a rose, in the autumn - tomatoes, grapes all the way, it was fun
          2. Altona
            Altona 20 May 2020 08: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: Sergej1972
            Collective farms and state farms were more concerned with grain crops, sugar beet, industrial crops, and cotton growing in the south.

            ---------------------------
            And they were asked for it because, but not for vegetables and fruits. Greenhouse farms were engaged in vegetables, and at the end of Soviet power they even appeared in enterprises, growing flowers and greens for canteens. Vegetables and fruits were supplied by the "tomato" republics and countries - Moldova, Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland. The Polish Hortex is still in operation since the CMEA era.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 20 May 2020 16: 58 New
              +1
              I liked Bulgarian juice in glass bottles very much in childhood.
    2. your1970
      your1970 21 May 2020 10: 42 New
      -1
      Quote: Crown without virus
      As for 9 Ali, there are 12 rubles. I’m not going to lie to pensioners-collective farmers from the state state — in the 1970s, because of the small age, I was not even interested request only I remember VERY well that once a month my grandfather and I went to the warehouse of the collective farm and from there I helped him bring home the "collective farm pension" - they paid all the collective farmers-retirees, by the way hi roughly - a bag of potatoes, a bag of cabbage and a bag of wheat)))
      is a little bit not pension lol - the collective farmer had the right every month acquire food for a small amount on the collective farm at a collective farm price (which was about half the store price). Our people tried to take meat and potatoes and that’s all ...
      In your case, roughly 5-7 rubles
  • faterdom
    faterdom 20 May 2020 18: 05 New
    +2
    Quote: Altona
    And besides paratroopers and submariners there are no more military men? There are military commissaries, there are all kinds of signalmen, there are motorists, there are political leaders, all kinds of supply and allowance services, in general, cabinet and semi-cabinet workers.

    Somehow you boldly, so, generalize and contrast. Would you like to be a signalman in Afghanistan at a relay station somewhere on a mountain with a "garrison" of 5-7 people? Or would they not want to drive the casseroles through the gorges, or, as a group with the emblems of the chemical troops, would not want to climb into enemy territory for an unexploded secret charge of a flamethrower? Do you know that after the type of "the last warrior who left Afghanistan" B. Gromov, under the orchestra and the lenses of TV cameras, a certain art. Ensign Zaika did not have time to roll up all the outstretched sleeves of the gas station (for the simultaneous refueling of a large number of equipment of the emerging columns) and found himself between two gangs of mujahideen competing for the extraction?
    Well, this is in addition to the fact that the emblems of communications and RTV were a favorite disguise of special forces ...
    So, when you don’t know what this or that military man was doing, it doesn’t mean that he skated like cheese in oil.
    Then the state did not give early pensions to anyone!
  • faterdom
    faterdom 20 May 2020 18: 09 New
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    For USSR military pensions: a ceiling was set for junior officers at 200 rubles, and 350 for senior. These are very serious amounts for those times.
    Only it was a ceiling not just of pensions, but of total income. That is, many people continued to work, but the pension + pay should not exceed these amounts.
  • Old26
    Old26 20 May 2020 18: 45 New
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    Be that as it may, since 1956 all citizens of the USSR, even those who did not have the required length of service, had the right to a state pension. True, they were supposed to receive a minimum allowance of 35 rubles.

    My grandfather did not work all the prescribed time, worked as a loader, and then, after receiving disability, as a shoemaker. And in the late 50s and early 60s, his pension was 23 rubles (after a change of money). Then they raised to 27 rubles. It is good that my parents were at that time also a GVHG and could help them. so 35 rubles ... I don’t know where their author took it ...
  • nemez
    nemez 21 May 2020 08: 09 New
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    Quote: ccsr
    Quote: CTABEP
    This is all good, but what does the topic of pensions have to do with Military Review?

    The most direct thing - all Soviet officers paid income tax and childlessness tax (those who did not have children), so that from their decent salaries the state received money in the budget to pay pensions. True, in the eighties, the tax on childlessness was canceled, but income remained. Although to be honest, I never understood why it was generally necessary to introduce a tax for military personnel if it would be easier for them to reduce salaries and not to engage in recounts, especially since there were no computers in the troops, and financiers manually compiled statements.

    Personally, my opinion is that a tax on childlessness is needed. Moreover, the older, the more it should be.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 21 May 2020 09: 03 New
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      And my opinion, those who promote this nonsense, it is necessary to close. You can’t pay a tax on what you don’t have, only senility from the Communist Party that has ruined everything could come up with this. There are people who, for example, physically cannot have children, with what fright are they obliged to pay something?
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 21 May 2020 13: 50 New
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        Quote: EvilLion
        There are people who, for example, physically cannot have children, with what fright are they obliged to pay something?

        If you prove that this is for medical reasons, then naturally you can not pay the tax - I don’t see a problem here. People with disabilities confirm their disability, the same thing could be in this situation.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 21 May 2020 14: 49 New
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          And you can not introduce a crazy tax, and the problem will not be even more so. Moreover, many of us have one child here, "to be." Are they equal to those who raise the 5th? The head must be turned on sometimes.

          As for disability, you may not be hired for any work, but disability will not really give. How, under such conditions, those who would like children will prove something, but cannot really establish the cause of infertility, this is clearly a song.

          And you can plow back home for 20 years somewhere in Antarctica, so that with the family does not work out.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 21 May 2020 18: 44 New
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            Quote: EvilLion
            The head must be turned on sometimes.

            So turn it on and think about how we can stimulate the birth rate so that we do not disappear as a civilization, or disappear among billions of other nations.
            Quote: EvilLion
            And you can not introduce a delusional tax, and the problem will not be even more so.

            Well then, announce that in Soviet times, fools in the government worked, once they came up with this tax. I do not think so.

            Quote: EvilLion
            How, under such conditions, those who would like children will prove something, but cannot really establish the cause of infertility, this is clearly a song.

            Even in Soviet times, the cause of infertility was established, so our medicine should not be considered completely backward.
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 21 May 2020 13: 48 New
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      Quote: nemez
      Personally, my opinion is that a tax on childlessness is needed. Moreover, the older, the more it should be.

      I completely agree with you, although I do not think that it should be differentiated by age. Since they don’t want to have children, at least let them transfer money to help large families. I think this would be fair, especially since I myself have paid such a tax for many years.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 21 May 2020 09: 00 New
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    In order for the pension to be large, and the retirement age to be small, you need 2 conditions:
    1) A large number of young people.
    2) High labor productivity.

    If this is not the case, then you can protest, resent, blame the authorities, but this is the same as swearing at a volcano.

    For some time there were many young people in the USSR, although the birth rate in Russian industrial regions began to decline already in the 60s. Due to the low start effect, labor productivity grew rapidly, and in principle, by the 80s it had reached a level where further growth was very difficult, almost everything was mechanized. Accordingly, the pension could grow from near-zero values ​​inherited from tsarist times, to something significant. In addition, the effect arises that if labor productivity increases too much, then people who are being freed have nowhere to add, because production is no longer needed. And if it were, let’s say that for 100 people of working age, 60% worked in production, then 50% will work, maybe 40% and even 30%, with the same output limited by consumption. The rest will work in stores, someone may be able to cut games for mobile phones, or live on Don-Tube donations, that is, do not create any material product.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 21 May 2020 14: 52 New
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    Now about the most interesting. No Pension Fund in the USSR did not exist. Generally. Funds were transferred by enterprises and organizations directly to the state budget, from where they were then paid to pensioners.


    And rightly so, any pension fund is essentially a pyramid, and the preservation of accumulations, when the life span of states is comparable to the life span of people, is a very dubious issue.
  • Old26
    Old26 23 May 2020 17: 59 New
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    Quote: ccsr
    So turn it on and think about how we can stimulate the birth rate so that we do not disappear as a civilization, or disappear among billions of other nations.

    It is necessary to stimulate not with a tax on childlessness, but with high salaries. The opportunity to have your own home. So that the question does not arise, but will I feed the second (third, fourth) child.

    Quote: ccsr
    Well then, announce that in Soviet times, fools in the government worked, once they came up with this tax. I do not think so.

    But in vain, comrade. It's hard to call them smart. The USSR came out of the war with huge losses. Not only did the population shrink, but so did the imbalance. According to the 1959 census, there were actually 18,4 million fewer men than women. Remember the song "There are 10 guys for 9 girls according to statistics." Don't jump above your head.
    And now even worse. It was in Soviet times that you completed your studies at a university and knew that you would have a job. Now sometimes up to 25% of youth are without work. An experienced worker is required, but where can I get it? That is, again, some of this category do not acquire families (or sit on the neck of their parents). So it turns out: there are no incomes, a family or with one child or did not work out at all. Plus, some time ago (in the 90s), a sharp increase in mortality from alcohol. Etc. Such a problem requires a solution, and not a momentary, one-time, but regular one for years and decades. But it’s easier to introduce a tax on childlessness ...
  • zenion
    zenion 27 May 2020 11: 54 New
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    They forgot that retirement in different enterprises was different. The total was at 60 for men and 55 for women. In enterprises with harmful working conditions, men retired at 55 with a total work experience of 17,5 years at this enterprise, women at 50 with a total work experience of 15 years. Pension was 50% of the salary, and the salary was large. The miners had their retirement depending on the working conditions.
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 1 June 2020 22: 48 New
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    Yes - bottom level!
    Fortune telling article. Comments, the grandmother had a pension of 12 rubles, but I don’t remember until the denomination or not. Well, if before, then it is very small, then after. Well, the memory of the people, how can you forget everything ??? My grandmother has a pension before denomination was 9 rubles. She was the only one to receive a pension for special services to several dozen villages. The ticket to the district center to receive a pension was 12 rubles. She refused her with the words yes choke it yourself
  • Procopius Nesterov
    Procopius Nesterov 19 July 2020 08: 42 New
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    It turns out that almost half of the existence of the USSR, pensions were not paid to all citizens.